yeah, but after truth hits we felt robbed around 10 years of beeing a cycling fan. since the first rumours from outside the cycling community appeared that there is doping, we all declined it, the media declined it, the officials declined it.... but we all knew better only proof was yet to be made. and it hit hard - riders from today still feel that everday they performed great, while others reached their limit to soon.
Remember this stage like it was yesterday. Was in my mid twenties, living in a little cottage in Napa Valley, aspiring to report on pro cycling for a living. Where does the time go!?
It's a long time ago now, but I remember that something felt wrong watching Landis during stage 17. In my recollection, he was permanently pouring water over his head and I felt reminded of an overtuned machine that had to be cooled down to not overheat. For this reason, I was not at the slightest bit surprised when he tested positive. It was an impressive performance nonetheless.
I know the doping gives an edge, but this is one of my fondest sports memories from childhood. I grew up hooked on the tour growing up in central Texas during Lances run, and this being the first year after his last year it felt like the Americans wouldn’t compete anymore. I lamented the idea of losing passion for watching the race without having the joy of rooting for your countryman. I was in HS xc at the time and every day after summer practice I would come home to an empty house and spend my early mornings enjoying my runners high while watching the tour. I remember feeling the excitement slip as Landis fell further back on the leader as the stages went on, but kept watching out of habit. The climb he made on this day to close that time was as exciting as all of Lances tours combined for me. I haven’t watched the tour since the doping allegations, and it seems the Americans no longer have any real competitors. But nostalgia really makes me miss these doping days lol
The extraordinary day is actually explained. By mistake, one of the blood bags contained blood with too high testosterone, so when he did his daily epo-session, by accident, he got a little extra in the mix. I don't remember the exact details, but it was only due to a small mistake on their side. And the bike swap had nothing to do with it.
Yes, but just for the record - EPO is a drug that stimulates red blood cell production and a blood bag is a way of loading your boody with red blood cells that where taken out months before and in the meanwhile replaced by the body. So, same goal but different means. A blood bag is undetectable in tests since its your own blood (you can only flag unnaturally high hematocrit values), while EPO is detectable. What is detectable with blood bags is if you used other drugs in training and withdrew blood too close to usage (testosterone for Landis, clenbuterol for Contador).
@@florianh7065is this a known phenomenon? Because the math doesn't make sense if you're talking about affecting hormone levels. If you're talking about a positive test on a foreign substance (clenbuterol, not high T) then your explanation makes sense
I watched stage 17 in 2006 and never have I seen a rider receive as many 'sticky bottles' as Floyd did on that stage. The sports director in the Phonak car was a former ASO employee French. And that is probably why Phonak avoided prosecution. Fortunately, such a thing cannot take place today! Good fair description! Good video!
Thank you! The sticky bottles was insane... we left it out but it was in the initial script. The amount of times he gets a bottle, pours it all over him and takes another...
@@Charizardlison I'ts a water bottle handed to rider that stays in the hands of both rider and soigneur therefore allowing the rider to be propelled at the same speed as the car.
Ahh thanks for the explanation. I've known (and even experienced once at a training camp) the concept of "sticky bottles", but never heard them called that. So do we think he was utilizing that tactic so often just to get as much extra boost as possible from the car (and dumping the water was the quickest way to "need" another bottle)? Or as another commenter mentioned, he was an "overheated machine" and actually needed that much cooling? Or both perhaps?
Such an inspiring ride! Back in my racing days I had a moment like this that I'll never forget. Stage race: Stage 4/4 I had lost the Yellow after a puncture on the 2nd stage and was given a 4 minute penalty to restart a lap later (No Neutral Service). On the final stage I broke away solo for 20 miles and made up 7 minutes, eliminating the penalty and going straight back up to 3rd on GC and Green jersey. Torrential rain, exposed course in England. I rode with such anger at myself for the bad luck. It's amazing what riding with reckless abandon can do.
Its always fun to listen to commentators during things like this. Trying to explain how the rider manage to do it. With their training, nutrition on the day etc etc. When we all know the real answer.
Everyone knew what was going on. Everyone. No one could do what those riders were doing riding those long stages at those speeds without help. Either the best nutrition, best training, best equipment or best drugs.
I walked into work the next day( the tdf is middle of night in Australia) I said to workmates that that was either the best ride we will ever see or it was the other thing; sure enough it was the other thing.
Even as a 16 year old kid, I remember watching that stage and thinking how this was going to go down. I wasn't sure how to feel about it at the time but today I think it's hilarious and freaking epic. Not surprised in the least that the dude ended up being juiced to the gills lol.
You didn't live through this time or you wouldn't suggest the fans all believed the sport was clean. EVERYONE who knew the sport at the time knew it was dirty.
@@ValtintimeGaming No, we didn’t have anything to know what was happening. We could tell when they were getting close by how far away the helicopters were. Imagine our surprise when Floyd came around the bend.
Lol, I remember that day. At the top a bunch of reporters were blocking Floyd as he tried to get somewhere and he started yelling and me and my brother started laughing, it was like a dislpay of royd rage from an after school special. I also remember watching Armstrong and Contador leave everyone behind on one climb with such finality I wondered what are those two on that everyone else can’t get?
It's funny because the day he had the crisis he declared that he suffered from the heat, the next day he accomplished the feat, drinking 100 bottles of water, but with his Jersey closed for the entire stage 😅
Man I was a novice cycling fan back then and thought this was a legendary performance. Only in my older grumpier less naive years do I realize what a crock of shit this was and how painfully obvious what really happened. All the clues were right there for everyone to see at the time. Same with Armstrong on Sestierre. I remember vividly thinking he was going to lose time in the mountains because he was never a climber only to be amazed at how he ran away from everyone! Hahah to be young and innocent and unaware of the corrupt world.
I know they were all doped up to the gills, but geez it was exciting to watch that period. Rather than people just slavishly watching power meters and the breakaway nearly always being reeled in like nowadays, people attacked, people cracked, it felt a bit more "human" even though they were all doping. Sad that such an exciting era is so tainted.
And what does that tell you? That today's robots are even more doped, and with better pharmacology. Modern riders are all super lean and juiced to the gills, we still get exciting races but indeed like you said back then they were more "human", more fallible. The 90s through the Armstrong years was probably my favorite era too.
I remembered I was following a blog where Floyd trainer or leader described the morning where Floyd woke up and was turning the bed upside down in mood provided by Testosteron plaster he had worn under the night. The post was removed later. I wonder if someone else read it also? I can not make this shit up because I held nothing against him. I liked his story and all he went through. He was a good bike racer.
He was very angry at the stage 17 finish line too. The only other rider I've seen angry after crossing the line was Cadel Evans one time, he was like the Hulk!
I remember this voice/face. Can't remember your old YT Channel name but I was there when you were streaming zwift for 50 people watching😆. Good to see you again making awesome sport videos
I vividly remember watching this stage, my local eurosport commentators were trying to pretend this was normal. I was a kid I knew what was going on, I had fun retelling my father what happened that day on that stage, though we felt Armstrong was never going to be exposed.
Oscar Pereiro's comeback from 28m40s behind prior to stage 13, is more historical because it is the largest comeback in the modern era (post WWII) of the Tour de France, and probably the TdF's winner with the least impressive career resume, but Oscar Pereiro is a former Tour de France champion. And you will never see the peleton give 30 minutes to any rider ever again. I was bummed for Floyd, I thought he deserved it
I remember hearing about this amazing ride vividly and knowing exactly what was coming when it happened. Like, it was comically obvious, and sure enough.
I recently dumped a bundle on hearing aids (cancer) and saw Phonak on a sticker at the audiologist’s office. I asked her about the brand and told her the story about the Menanite that went on to whoop Lance at the tour, she listened wide-eyed, never heard a word about it. Ended up buying a different brand but at least Phonak bought a mention all these years later. I think a lot more of Floyd than I do of Lance, although I use the USPS brand all the time.
I remember watching that stage and saying it was impossible and he had to have done something. There's no way you suck that bad one day and then comeback like that on no rest. No way.
When Floyd started racing MTB in Pennsylvania he would ride to the races. He killed it at the 24hours of Canaan for several years before he became a roadie.
Floyd's numbers ARE crazy tho, because sports science today is leaps and bounds ahead of what it was back then. Development of young riders is also at a completely different level. Anyone pushing watts anywhere near the best today from 15-20 years ago, you can almost guarantee they were doping
@TrueSportsLore Thank you for this video! People forget about '06, but it was truly one of the greatest comebacks in Tour history. If you consider that nearly everyone competing in the top 20, from' 99-'08 was eventually popped for 💉, Landis was the best that year, and his Stage 17 ride was truly amazing. Remember Floyd!!
I went to bed in the early hours of the morning here in Australia after watching this stage. My wife half asleep asked me how it turned out. I distinctly remember saying, "I just watched a drug cheat win the tour de France" (It was clear with the time trial the only remaining crucial stage that he would get the yellow) It was that obvious. How he cracked COMPLETELY on stage 16 but came back the next day was ridiculous. Unbelievable. ...and it was.
What people don’t realise or remember is the fact that he got there by talent in the first place. He happened to be riding in an era where everybody was cheating. I still believe that because they were all doing it, it made it a pretty level playing field
Fair point, but not everyone was doping. Most of the absolute best GC guys were, but it really sucks that we'll likely never know who was clean and who wasn't. Oh well, at least it was a chaotic era. Need another video like this, but for Riccardo Riccò
@@Matfridt yes you absolutely correct and we’ll never know for sure. But what I will say ,the top riders for the grand tours would probably still be the same names. Sad to say but I think they all thought they had to do something to be at the same level. Right from the beginning of the Tour de France there were drugs. Have you seen the pictures of riders foaming at the mouth. Sad I know, but still the top riders will be the top riders whatever
If people don't like these guys winning then let's go back and give it to the first rider that didn't dope......you would probably not find any of the top ten back then who weren't doing something. It's just what was going on back then, and why should we change history because we don't like it? We need to learn from history, not erase it.
I Stood roadside on that Joux Plane stage, still have an old fashioned photo of Lloyd going past.... but he didn't change cycling- the title is misleading.
It absolutely changed how people view cycling and that era in particular. That dodgy blood bag Landis got to be on fire for that stage basically snowballed into the entire Armstrong's drama and confessions.
Fantastic video mate. This was the day which made me obsessed in cycling and turned out to be a fraud then. However, I still remember it as one of the greatest days in cycling. Not cherising any rage against Floyd but for sure not in awe to him either.
Nothing fraudulent about it, that's the reality of ALL professional sports. It was an awesome run and achievement by Landis, he's the rightful winner of that 2006 tour.
Why would the UCI give a life time ban to people who dope in a sport that requires you to dope to cope? 2 year ban is actually far to long. The UCI knows exactly what’s going on, has been since the inception of pro bike racing.
I remember that day very well. It was the second or third time that I went to France to watch the Tour live. It was the last day stage in the Alps and me and my dad went to the Col de la Colombière to watch the peloton pass. It had already been a rocky road, as the main favourites left the day before the start. But when the 'caravanne' had passed by and the first helicopter arrived. I was so surprised to see Floyd Landis passing by. It was one of those big moments that the cycling sport lives from. Sadly, it came to light that it was foul play in the end. Nevertheless, I still watch cycling today and do enjoy it. But I don't go see the Tour live anymore. The Dauphiné is similar and is more relaxed. :)
I do too. The good old days. Marco pantini did a similar thing, loved it. Made watching the tour more exciting..for me ,take away team radios and let the riders race by instinct. These tours are getting seriously boring
LA failed lots of tests. But they were inadmissible bc they weren't scheduled per the rules. LA was my hero turned ZERO. He was a liar and ruined the lives of many to perpetuate his lies. Teammates and their wives were threatened if they told THE TRUTH! You saw it in this video...the truth that FL spoke brought out the true LA. Don't defend a liar and a cheat. Still today, people can't watch an amazing break away without thinking of batteries, EPO, LA or FL. He sucks and you should treat him that way.
@@chasman9662 What a clown opinion dude. The mere fact that doping is part of cycling history. Its embedded into the sport. And you say this. Let me make it clear. LA won fair and square. Like anybody before and after him on JUICE!!! What you can't take away from him. He worked hard, had talent. Supreme mentally to over come everything to succeed. That's an example of GOAT athlete you can get. Just like Landis he won fair and square. Let me make it clear. EVERY PRO ATHLETE ARE ON JUICE!!! Any sport code. All of your sport hero are dopers.
@rollinrat4850 listen to this dude. Quoting a cheater like GREG and yet condemn Lance of cheating. Make it make sense. PS. You can take every drug in the world. You will still fail if you don't have talent, work hard, and have the right mental application. That's alone makes you an idiot with this comment.
@@oliverleigh9854 As always, guys like you miss the point. Cheaters RUIN it for past and future racers. Look at any amazing breakaway today..."battery" or "doping" is the first thing they all say. But I guess you'd say "He worked hard installing the battery so he can ride faster than everyone else". There were racers like me in the 90s that didn't do drugs. We worked very hard and won races. But all the sudden we couldn't keep up. Not everybody with talent cheated...we just got left behind. This "clown" knows a little bit about this topic, "dude".
@chasman9662 Oh please, doping is embedded into the sport. It's part of the history/makeup of this sport. Factos! Why do people go crazy with unbelievable performances today? The data shows they are doing exactly the same or even better than what doped up riders were doing in the great EPO days. Try to make it make sense, professor🤣. But drugs aren't gonna make you a superman on and destroy everyone without some talent, hard work, and the right mentally to succeed. That applies to everything in this world, factos! Ask yourself, why did they go so hard after Lance. The automobile industry lobbies it ( corrupt politicians ) since there was a massive drop in car sales in American during the 2000s. That's how TREK became the company they are now. Go look it up. It's public info, professor🤣. You could've been or not a pro cyclist in your days who knows, but you can't say you didn't doped. Even painkillers are doping. This clown, as you refer to, isn't stupid and believes this sport no way. Your body can't take that amount of punishment without help. You would literally kill yourself in the process.
This was a little bit too early for me to remember, my abiding memory of a solo break away was from Tony Martin. He broke away and with the biggest legs I've ever seen on a cyclist, powered away from the rest of the peleton... they couldn't do anything, he was simply too powerful on his own.
I remember this day very well. Everybody was like 😮. This guy is a hero. Not the most likeable guy but having been beat the day before this was a comeback the world had never seen.
The professional cyclist Floyd Landis had a moral compass and Lance Armstrong did not. What does that tell you about politicians? Hint: they are professionals
Landis or his lawyers posted the analytical test results from the doping control lab. And they looked like they were performed incorrectly to me. From what I could tell they overstated the amount of testosterone, by a lot. It is hard to argue with the isotopic ratio results, so there was some synthetic T in his system. But did he really take testosterone the night before his big ride, knowing if he won he would be tested? And would testosterone make you ride like that a few hours after taking this hormone? Seems more likely that he blood boosted with blood that was taken earlier when he had residual synthetic T in his system.
everyone knew though. Like I remember coming home, and watching what happened. And even the commentators who were known for glossing over the darker parts of cycling kept dropping hints.
It sounds harsh but I would have had bruyneel and Armstrong locked up for 7 years. And UCI. I still think of pro cycling as doped and it seems no one got punished for the systematic fraud.
Was a sad time ( decades ) for cycling fans, its partly why i hate to see Discovery involved now with them controlling eurosport, they had to know what was happening.. not good.
The testosterone number still bothers me. You can’t have the numbers he had on stage 17, without having significantly higher numbers on the day before and the day after- it’s not a drug that can give a one day spike. His testosterone levels were normal the day before Stage 17 and the day after. Also, this is a sport. It’s not the same as if your surgeon was drunk/high during your surgery. The sad thing is it tainted a great comeback stage in the TDF.
@@molochz but from cyclists ridding professionally in that era (I raced as an amateur), testosterone didn’t give you a performance boost. It doesn’t help in endurance. It didn’t make sense.
The despicable events now well documented over the last 25 years of TDF doping scandals cast a very dark shadow over the apparent collaboration between team sponsors and UCI corruption, who on earth will ever believe bike racing was EVER contested upon a level playing field, it NEVER has been.. and without any real desire to eradicate doping , it never will be.
i'd be shocked if he wasn't using a motor that day as well. even doped up to the gills his performance was otherworldly against other likely doped up riders. even lance on his dopiest of dope days never rode away from the peloton like this.
Floyd’s watts are similar to Poggy and Vingegaard today because they are likely doping in some way as well. Tapentadol, for example, is not banned by the UCI for some reason.
The doping escapades of the 80s and 90s have forever tainted the sport. Now everyone will always be suspicious about this sport. And this shit has probably been going on for decades earlier.
I remember watching that stage, it reeked of doping. Landis made the choice to dope because he had watched Lance Armstrong win the Tour De France 7 years in a row because Amstrong was the master of cheating on\off the bike. Landis wanted to be the next Armstrong, the best cheater in the sport. Yeah, there is the argument is that everyone was doping. This is not true, not every team and every cyclist were doping, which meant they had zero chance of competing against those who were doping. It was like the cheaters were starting each stage at the halfway mark, while all the other cyclists had to ride twice as far.
Rumour has it you'll smash it in work tomorrow if you scroll back up and like the video 👌
Didnt work
Hat guy was a shame. He was a drug addict. The woerst year in the tour.
This was more of a Landis bio video. Maybe put that in the title of the video
Watching this live was one of the most amazing and exciting 5 hours of television I remember.
yeah, but after truth hits we felt robbed around 10 years of beeing a cycling fan.
since the first rumours from outside the cycling community appeared that there is doping, we all declined it, the media declined it, the officials declined it....
but we all knew better only proof was yet to be made.
and it hit hard - riders from today still feel that everday they performed great, while others reached their limit to soon.
I was on my honeymoon when this tour was going on and I remember it well. Now I'm divorced. Turns out that Landis wasn't the only cheater.
Broooo😢
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@@Wo9i7sj5l2a Thank you, I'm trying!
Ur wife was durty bro
What did you do?
Remember this stage like it was yesterday. Was in my mid twenties, living in a little cottage in Napa Valley, aspiring to report on pro cycling for a living. Where does the time go!?
Spectacular video and an incredibly underrated channel! Keep up the great work, I’d love to see more videos like this one
Thank you that means a lot!
It's a long time ago now, but I remember that something felt wrong watching Landis during stage 17. In my recollection, he was permanently pouring water over his head and I felt reminded of an overtuned machine that had to be cooled down to not overheat. For this reason, I was not at the slightest bit surprised when he tested positive. It was an impressive performance nonetheless.
I know the doping gives an edge, but this is one of my fondest sports memories from childhood. I grew up hooked on the tour growing up in central Texas during Lances run, and this being the first year after his last year it felt like the Americans wouldn’t compete anymore. I lamented the idea of losing passion for watching the race without having the joy of rooting for your countryman.
I was in HS xc at the time and every day after summer practice I would come home to an empty house and spend my early mornings enjoying my runners high while watching the tour. I remember feeling the excitement slip as Landis fell further back on the leader as the stages went on, but kept watching out of habit. The climb he made on this day to close that time was as exciting as all of Lances tours combined for me.
I haven’t watched the tour since the doping allegations, and it seems the Americans no longer have any real competitors. But nostalgia really makes me miss these doping days lol
The extraordinary day is actually explained. By mistake, one of the blood bags contained blood with too high testosterone, so when he did his daily epo-session, by accident, he got a little extra in the mix. I don't remember the exact details, but it was only due to a small mistake on their side. And the bike swap had nothing to do with it.
Yes, but just for the record - EPO is a drug that stimulates red blood cell production and a blood bag is a way of loading your boody with red blood cells that where taken out months before and in the meanwhile replaced by the body. So, same goal but different means. A blood bag is undetectable in tests since its your own blood (you can only flag unnaturally high hematocrit values), while EPO is detectable. What is detectable with blood bags is if you used other drugs in training and withdrew blood too close to usage (testosterone for Landis, clenbuterol for Contador).
@@florianh7065is this a known phenomenon? Because the math doesn't make sense if you're talking about affecting hormone levels. If you're talking about a positive test on a foreign substance (clenbuterol, not high T) then your explanation makes sense
I wondered what the bike swap had to do with it.😊
Fueled by anger? It appears the fuel was something else
Steroids can cause intense periods of rage.
Nice to hear another dopers opinion, thanks Chris!
Neither of those dudes can read. I'm not kidding.
I watched stage 17 in 2006 and never have I seen a rider receive as many 'sticky bottles' as Floyd did on that stage. The sports director in the Phonak car was a former ASO employee French. And that is probably why Phonak avoided prosecution. Fortunately, such a thing cannot take place today! Good fair description! Good video!
Thank you! The sticky bottles was insane... we left it out but it was in the initial script. The amount of times he gets a bottle, pours it all over him and takes another...
what are sticky bottles?
@@Charizardlison I'ts a water bottle handed to rider that stays in the hands of both rider and soigneur therefore allowing the rider to be propelled at the same speed as the car.
Ahh thanks for the explanation. I've known (and even experienced once at a training camp) the concept of "sticky bottles", but never heard them called that.
So do we think he was utilizing that tactic so often just to get as much extra boost as possible from the car (and dumping the water was the quickest way to "need" another bottle)? Or as another commenter mentioned, he was an "overheated machine" and actually needed that much cooling? Or both perhaps?
I watched this stage and was glued to the TV. I hadn't been as stuck where I was since 9/11.
Such an inspiring ride! Back in my racing days I had a moment like this that I'll never forget. Stage race: Stage 4/4 I had lost the Yellow after a puncture on the 2nd stage and was given a 4 minute penalty to restart a lap later (No Neutral Service). On the final stage I broke away solo for 20 miles and made up 7 minutes, eliminating the penalty and going straight back up to 3rd on GC and Green jersey. Torrential rain, exposed course in England. I rode with such anger at myself for the bad luck. It's amazing what riding with reckless abandon can do.
Inspiring doping.
Reckless abandon and a shit ton of drugs in his case
Its always fun to listen to commentators during things like this. Trying to explain how the rider manage to do it. With their training, nutrition on the day etc etc. When we all know the real answer.
Everyone knew what was going on. Everyone. No one could do what those riders were doing riding those long stages at those speeds without help. Either the best nutrition, best training, best equipment or best drugs.
@@thefrener794 Try more often to figure out when and should replace or in your rhetoric.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 You actually wrote this while you were having a seizure right? This is the internet sir. Laughing out loud.
I walked into work the next day( the tdf is middle of night in Australia) I said to workmates that that was either the best ride we will ever see or it was the other thing; sure enough it was the other thing.
I said the exact same thing to my dad
Even as a 16 year old kid, I remember watching that stage and thinking how this was going to go down. I wasn't sure how to feel about it at the time but today I think it's hilarious and freaking epic. Not surprised in the least that the dude ended up being juiced to the gills lol.
deserves way more views!
You didn't live through this time or you wouldn't suggest the fans all believed the sport was clean. EVERYONE who knew the sport at the time knew it was dirty.
I remember that day. What turned out to good to be true was indeed too good to be true.
My family and I were at this stage. We camped out for a few days on one of the climbs. We couldn’t believe it when Floyd came by in the lead…
did u had tv or radio acces back than or where the fans usualy cluesess what was going on in the race? sry for my bad english
@@ValtintimeGaming No, we didn’t have anything to know what was happening. We could tell when they were getting close by how far away the helicopters were. Imagine our surprise when Floyd came around the bend.
Beautifully put together. Floyd's win is still my favorite.
Thank you!
He didn't win.
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex Yes he did, he won over a bunch of other dopers.
That’s like saying gg to a hacked Geometry Dash verification
Another epic day springs to mind. Chris Froome on Giro mountain stage.
As George Bennet put it: He pulled a Landis!?
Pulled a Landis on them guys in peloton for sure😅
Sky and (not so) marginal gains.......
@@tillyvanilly7015 No, no, no. It was the fueling strategy!
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The difference is Chris Froome will hardly ever be DQed. He's the winner.
Lol, I remember that day. At the top a bunch of reporters were blocking Floyd as he tried to get somewhere and he started yelling and me and my brother started laughing, it was like a dislpay of royd rage from an after school special.
I also remember watching Armstrong and Contador leave everyone behind on one climb with such finality I wondered what are those two on that everyone else can’t get?
It wasn't astana that Landis wanted to join but team radioshack. The team was made by Lance after Contador won the tour they both rode. Great vide.
Thank you and thank you for the correction :)
Great video, ty!
Glad you enjoyed it!
It's funny because the day he had the crisis he declared that he suffered from the heat, the next day he accomplished the feat, drinking 100 bottles of water, but with his Jersey closed for the entire stage 😅
I really appreciated this.
this was the only day i missed on this tour! cant believe it.
When your body says don’t do it, but your mind says “YOLO!”
Man I was a novice cycling fan back then and thought this was a legendary performance.
Only in my older grumpier less naive years do I realize what a crock of shit this was and how painfully obvious what really happened. All the clues were right there for everyone to see at the time.
Same with Armstrong on Sestierre. I remember vividly thinking he was going to lose time in the mountains because he was never a climber only to be amazed at how he ran away from everyone! Hahah to be young and innocent and unaware of the corrupt world.
I know they were all doped up to the gills, but geez it was exciting to watch that period. Rather than people just slavishly watching power meters and the breakaway nearly always being reeled in like nowadays, people attacked, people cracked, it felt a bit more "human" even though they were all doping.
Sad that such an exciting era is so tainted.
And what does that tell you? That today's robots are even more doped, and with better pharmacology. Modern riders are all super lean and juiced to the gills, we still get exciting races but indeed like you said back then they were more "human", more fallible. The 90s through the Armstrong years was probably my favorite era too.
This is how I feel about this TdF compared to what it looks like now.
I remembered I was following a blog where Floyd trainer or leader described the morning where Floyd woke up and was turning the bed upside down in mood provided by Testosteron plaster he had worn under the night.
The post was removed later. I wonder if someone else read it also?
I can not make this shit up because I held nothing against him. I liked his story and all he went through. He was a good bike racer.
He was very angry at the stage 17 finish line too. The only other rider I've seen angry after crossing the line was Cadel Evans one time, he was like the Hulk!
@@benedictearlson9044 remembered that Cadel Said he wanted to stamp the journalists dog. 🐕😀moodswinging
Bet you wish you had a screenshot or an archive of that post. What a wild thing to read!
I was near the Arrivée in Morzine that day
I remember this voice/face. Can't remember your old YT Channel name but I was there when you were streaming zwift for 50 people watching😆. Good to see you again making awesome sport videos
Hey! You're right. My name is Jesper. I used to do Zwift content haha
He seems like a nice chap, and I truly wish him best for his life.
18:11. Lance was a piece of work!
Still is.
I vividly remember watching this stage, my local eurosport commentators were trying to pretend this was normal. I was a kid I knew what was going on, I had fun retelling my father what happened that day on that stage, though we felt Armstrong was never going to be exposed.
I was watching live when Floyd won that stage. It was inspired. Then it all turned to hell shortly after. Really soured me on the sport for years.
Great video, which is the source of Floyd's comments during the stage??
Thank you! Various sources led to this video. You'll find most of them on TH-cam if you search Floyd Landis
Now, Floyd's of Leadville On The Go cannabis gummies are available at every gas station in America.
Oscar Pereiro's comeback from 28m40s behind prior to stage 13, is more historical because it is the largest comeback in the modern era (post WWII) of the Tour de France, and probably the TdF's winner with the least impressive career resume, but Oscar Pereiro is a former Tour de France champion. And you will never see the peleton give 30 minutes to any rider ever again. I was bummed for Floyd, I thought he deserved it
*peloton, but no, everyone came back from that, because none of them were gc guys, which is why they let them have 30 min
@@notreally2406 Pereiro had finished 10th in the 2 previous TdF's, and it was stage 13
The best performance at the TDF in the doping era!
That was the first bike race I ever watched. It was very entertaining. I became a fan of the sport that day.
Being at that finish line in Morzine, France, on one of the hottest days that summer, was unforgettable.
What about a video for Cameron Mason? Made some mindblowing growth recent years and would be interesting.
This stage was an amazing acheivment by his doctors
I remember hearing about this amazing ride vividly and knowing exactly what was coming when it happened.
Like, it was comically obvious, and sure enough.
Actually the changed cycling forever stage was in 1988 when Pedro Delgado tested positive, but the establishment got him off the hook
This was the first ever tour I watched!
After stage 17, I lost all confidence in cycling. It was crazy and ridiculous. I did not watch cycling for years, it all did not make any sense to me.
I recently dumped a bundle on hearing aids (cancer) and saw Phonak on a sticker at the audiologist’s office. I asked her about the brand and told her the story about the Menanite that went on to whoop Lance at the tour, she listened wide-eyed, never heard a word about it. Ended up buying a different brand but at least Phonak bought a mention all these years later. I think a lot more of Floyd than I do of Lance, although I use the USPS brand all the time.
"went on to whoop Lance at the tour" ? you've got the races mixed up in your memory. This video explains the timeline
@@BurgerTime7441 yeah I knew I’d get that wrong. Sorry to mess with history, thanks for the catch.
Nicely done review
I remember watching that stage and saying it was impossible and he had to have done something. There's no way you suck that bad one day and then comeback like that on no rest. No way.
When Floyd started racing MTB in Pennsylvania he would ride to the races. He killed it at the 24hours of Canaan for several years before he became a roadie.
Floyd's numbers ARE crazy tho, because sports science today is leaps and bounds ahead of what it was back then. Development of young riders is also at a completely different level. Anyone pushing watts anywhere near the best today from 15-20 years ago, you can almost guarantee they were doping
Doping never stopped and never will, as a whole we humans simply are not honest enough
You mean they start them doping young. Riders don't train any harder in 2024 than they did in 1964.
@TrueSportsLore Thank you for this video! People forget about '06, but it was truly one of the greatest comebacks in Tour history. If you consider that nearly everyone competing in the top 20, from' 99-'08 was eventually popped for 💉, Landis was the best that year, and his Stage 17 ride was truly amazing. Remember Floyd!!
great video, I loved Floyd!
Thank you!
I went to bed in the early hours of the morning here in Australia after watching this stage. My wife half asleep asked me how it turned out. I distinctly remember saying, "I just watched a drug cheat win the tour de France"
(It was clear with the time trial the only remaining crucial stage that he would get the yellow)
It was that obvious. How he cracked COMPLETELY on stage 16 but came back the next day was ridiculous. Unbelievable. ...and it was.
I remember thinking the EXACT same thing.
What people don’t realise or remember is the fact that he got there by talent in the first place. He happened to be riding in an era where everybody was cheating. I still believe that because they were all doing it, it made it a pretty level playing field
Fair point, but not everyone was doping. Most of the absolute best GC guys were, but it really sucks that we'll likely never know who was clean and who wasn't. Oh well, at least it was a chaotic era. Need another video like this, but for Riccardo Riccò
@@Matfridt yes you absolutely correct and we’ll never know for sure. But what I will say ,the top riders for the grand tours would probably still be the same names. Sad to say but I think they all thought they had to do something to be at the same level. Right from the beginning of the Tour de France there were drugs. Have you seen the pictures of riders foaming at the mouth. Sad I know, but still the top riders will be the top riders whatever
@@Matfridt no telling how many were doping. The domestiques and the supers all had to be aswell to help their GC guys
Nothing has changed, Jonas and Pog will be making similar statements in about 10 years
@3:16 uh why is my man wearing a Rick Ware Racing NASCAR team shirt???
If people don't like these guys winning then let's go back and give it to the first rider that didn't dope......you would probably not find any of the top ten back then who weren't doing something.
It's just what was going on back then, and why should we change history because we don't like it? We need to learn from history, not erase it.
I Stood roadside on that Joux Plane stage, still have an old fashioned photo of Lloyd going past.... but he didn't change cycling- the title is misleading.
It absolutely changed how people view cycling and that era in particular. That dodgy blood bag Landis got to be on fire for that stage basically snowballed into the entire Armstrong's drama and confessions.
I remember watching this one and if I recall in the American coverage the commentators were suspicious. 😂
Fantastic video mate. This was the day which made me obsessed in cycling and turned out to be a fraud then. However, I still remember it as one of the greatest days in cycling. Not cherising any rage against Floyd but for sure not in awe to him either.
EVERY PRO ATHLETE ARE ON JUICE!
Nothing fraudulent about it, that's the reality of ALL professional sports. It was an awesome run and achievement by Landis, he's the rightful winner of that 2006 tour.
What kind of motor was he running?
0:55 My dad is the news reporter in this clip
Why would the UCI give a life time ban to people who dope in a sport that requires you to dope to cope?
2 year ban is actually far to long. The UCI knows exactly what’s going on, has been since the inception of pro bike racing.
What’s the mystery of the bike change? Is there speculation that it was a mechanical doping opportunity?
I remember that day very well.
It was the second or third time that I went to France to watch the Tour live. It was the last day stage in the Alps and me and my dad went to the Col de la Colombière to watch the peloton pass.
It had already been a rocky road, as the main favourites left the day before the start.
But when the 'caravanne' had passed by and the first helicopter arrived. I was so surprised to see Floyd Landis passing by.
It was one of those big moments that the cycling sport lives from.
Sadly, it came to light that it was foul play in the end.
Nevertheless, I still watch cycling today and do enjoy it. But I don't go see the Tour live anymore. The Dauphiné is similar and is more relaxed. :)
I do too. The good old days. Marco pantini did a similar thing, loved it. Made watching the tour more exciting..for me ,take away team radios and let the riders race by instinct. These tours are getting seriously boring
Never knew this all started it for Armstrong
Wrong dude, LA did fail a test but they covered it up
LA failed lots of tests. But they were inadmissible bc they weren't scheduled per the rules. LA was my hero turned ZERO. He was a liar and ruined the lives of many to perpetuate his lies. Teammates and their wives were threatened if they told THE TRUTH! You saw it in this video...the truth that FL spoke brought out the true LA.
Don't defend a liar and a cheat. Still today, people can't watch an amazing break away without thinking of batteries, EPO, LA or FL.
He sucks and you should treat him that way.
@@chasman9662 What a clown opinion dude. The mere fact that doping is part of cycling history. Its embedded into the sport. And you say this. Let me make it clear. LA won fair and square. Like anybody before and after him on JUICE!!! What you can't take away from him. He worked hard, had talent. Supreme mentally to over come everything to succeed. That's an example of GOAT athlete you can get. Just like Landis he won fair and square. Let me make it clear. EVERY PRO ATHLETE ARE ON JUICE!!! Any sport code. All of your sport hero are dopers.
@rollinrat4850 listen to this dude. Quoting a cheater like GREG and yet condemn Lance of cheating. Make it make sense. PS. You can take every drug in the world. You will still fail if you don't have talent, work hard, and have the right mental application. That's alone makes you an idiot with this comment.
@@oliverleigh9854 As always, guys like you miss the point. Cheaters RUIN it for past and future racers. Look at any amazing breakaway today..."battery" or "doping" is the first thing they all say. But I guess you'd say "He worked hard installing the battery so he can ride faster than everyone else".
There were racers like me in the 90s that didn't do drugs. We worked very hard and won races. But all the sudden we couldn't keep up. Not everybody with talent cheated...we just got left behind.
This "clown" knows a little bit about this topic, "dude".
@chasman9662 Oh please, doping is embedded into the sport. It's part of the history/makeup of this sport. Factos! Why do people go crazy with unbelievable performances today? The data shows they are doing exactly the same or even better than what doped up riders were doing in the great EPO days. Try to make it make sense, professor🤣. But drugs aren't gonna make you a superman on and destroy everyone without some talent, hard work, and the right mentally to succeed. That applies to everything in this world, factos! Ask yourself, why did they go so hard after Lance. The automobile industry lobbies it ( corrupt politicians ) since there was a massive drop in car sales in American during the 2000s. That's how TREK became the company they are now. Go look it up. It's public info, professor🤣. You could've been or not a pro cyclist in your days who knows, but you can't say you didn't doped. Even painkillers are doping. This clown, as you refer to, isn't stupid and believes this sport no way. Your body can't take that amount of punishment without help. You would literally kill yourself in the process.
Obviously Floyd had a super-sized blood bag the night after stage 16.
What a video!
This was a little bit too early for me to remember, my abiding memory of a solo break away was from Tony Martin. He broke away and with the biggest legs I've ever seen on a cyclist, powered away from the rest of the peleton... they couldn't do anything, he was simply too powerful on his own.
I remember this day very well. Everybody was like 😮. This guy is a hero. Not the most likeable guy but having been beat the day before this was a comeback the world had never seen.
Doping!
Do not trust any adult who wears a ball cap backwards. Ever.
I saw Landis sitting all alone at the finish of a stage of Tour of California. No one would talk to him at all.
At 10:00 I am still amazed at the approach to this, Landis was doped, not someone who proved anything to anyone ... other than he was a cheat.
It was the backwards hat that cost him the TDF
The professional cyclist Floyd Landis had a moral compass and Lance Armstrong did not. What does that tell you about politicians? Hint: they are professionals
Landis or his lawyers posted the analytical test results from the doping control lab. And they looked like they were performed incorrectly to me. From what I could tell they overstated the amount of testosterone, by a lot. It is hard to argue with the isotopic ratio results, so there was some synthetic T in his system. But did he really take testosterone the night before his big ride, knowing if he won he would be tested? And would testosterone make you ride like that a few hours after taking this hormone? Seems more likely that he blood boosted with blood that was taken earlier when he had residual synthetic T in his system.
everyone knew though. Like I remember coming home, and watching what happened. And even the commentators who were known for glossing over the darker parts of cycling kept dropping hints.
It sounds harsh but I would have had bruyneel and Armstrong locked up for 7 years. And UCI. I still think of pro cycling as doped and it seems no one got punished for the systematic fraud.
Was a sad time ( decades ) for cycling fans, its partly why i hate to see Discovery involved now with them controlling eurosport, they had to know what was happening.. not good.
The testosterone number still bothers me. You can’t have the numbers he had on stage 17, without having significantly higher numbers on the day before and the day after- it’s not a drug that can give a one day spike. His testosterone levels were normal the day before Stage 17 and the day after. Also, this is a sport. It’s not the same as if your surgeon was drunk/high during your surgery. The sad thing is it tainted a great comeback stage in the TDF.
@@molochz but from cyclists ridding professionally in that era (I raced as an amateur), testosterone didn’t give you a performance boost. It doesn’t help in endurance. It didn’t make sense.
The despicable events now well documented over the last 25
years of TDF doping scandals cast a very dark shadow over
the apparent collaboration between team sponsors and UCI
corruption, who on earth will ever believe bike racing was
EVER contested upon a level playing field, it NEVER has been..
and without any real desire to eradicate doping , it never will be.
Perhaps the stupidest major winner ever. ...Outside of Trump, that is. >:/
I really wonder though what happened on the stage before.
i'd be shocked if he wasn't using a motor that day as well. even doped up to the gills his performance was otherworldly against other likely doped up riders. even lance on his dopiest of dope days never rode away from the peloton like this.
".... for the last 7 years Lance had won the Tour, and he had done so cleanly ..." 😅 / 😢
I’m sure the guys I worship today will be found dirty eventually. Therefore, I don’t care. I only want to watch exciting cycling 👍
I live not too far from framersville.
Floyd’s watts are similar to Poggy and Vingegaard today because they are likely doping in some way as well. Tapentadol, for example, is not banned by the UCI for some reason.
The doping escapades of the 80s and 90s have forever tainted the sport. Now everyone will always be suspicious about this sport. And this shit has probably been going on for decades earlier.
Sorry, nobody at the time really thought that the peloton was clean. There were always suspicions especially during the Armstrong era.
I remember watching that stage, it reeked of doping. Landis made the choice to dope because he had watched Lance Armstrong win the Tour De France 7 years in a row because Amstrong was the master of cheating on\off the bike. Landis wanted to be the next Armstrong, the best cheater in the sport. Yeah, there is the argument is that everyone was doping. This is not true, not every team and every cyclist were doping, which meant they had zero chance of competing against those who were doping. It was like the cheaters were starting each stage at the halfway mark, while all the other cyclists had to ride twice as far.
What brought LA down was coming back. His ego brought himself down
exactly, that was his biggest sin. if he doesn't come back, I doubt he gets caught.
Bro was doped to the gills
Who's Oscar Piero?