How To Parry Easier! New Tech CHANGES EVERYTHING! | Wuthering Waves
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- Struggling to parry some attacks in game?
Here's a way around that based off hitboxes.
We can even use this for new strats.
Here's how to Pre-Parry and Parry Cancel.
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0:00 Intro
0:24 Parry Showcase
0:56 Basic Parry Mechanics
1:42 Rover Hitboxes
2:10 Pre-Parry
3:05 Why Pre-Parrying Matters
3:32 Lingering Hitboxes
3:58 Where Does Pre-Parrying Work Best?
4:23 How Do Parry Hitboxes Work?
5:13 Easier vs Harder Pre-Parries
5:43 The Exception To Pre-Parrying
6:56 Parry Cancel
7:28 Why Pre-Parry is Required to Parry Cancel
7:47 Why Parry Cancel Matters
8:15 Is Difficult To Use on Non-Gap Closers
8:55 Calcharo Parry Cancel + Ult Dodge Counter
9:37 Summary & Outro
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TL;DW
Not all parries are equal. They vary per character and per attack. Parries are usually rated by first hit in a combo. Rover is my golden standard, since I have most experience with Rover, everyone has Rover, and Rover also has very generous hitbox shapes and lifespan. The two concepts today are Pre-Parry and Parry Cancel.
Pre-parry relies on a Resonator’s lingering attack hitbox, allowing you to take other actions while waiting for an enemy to collide with your parry hitbox. This allows a much wider Parry Window by setting up Parries far in advance of the normal window. Hitboxes do not disappear until either hitting an enemy, or expiring naturally. By keeping your distance and swinging a lingering hitbox early, you essentially set up a "trap" for the enemy to run into, making certain annoying moves a lot easier to counter. If you directly hit an enemy with your weapon during a Pre-Parry, your hitbox will prematurely expire and the upcoming Parry will fail.
Parry Cancel relies on the delay between producing a hitbox and an enemy being successfully parried. There is a delay even on point blank attacks that allows you to take action before the parry completes, but is measured in milliseconds and difficult to take advantage of. Normally, a Pre-Parry has a massive delay between producing the hitbox and an enemy being Parried. Your hitbox remains so long as you do not cast an echo or swap off. Therefore, your options are skill, or Perfect Dodge. Perfect Dodge is the preferred method to generate Resonance Energy and Concerto Energy to speed up or add tolerance to rotations, while still Parrying the enemy. The Dodge must occur before the Parry lands, meaning the enemy needs to be close enough to be considered hitting you at the moment of Dodge.
Jiyan cannot Pre-Parry well due to noticeably shorter first hitbox lifespan. Calcharo can Pre-Parry, and thus can also Parry Cancel reliably with practice, giving massive damage from his Resonance Liberation’s Dodge Counter, while still destroying shields from the Parry itself. Yes, this elevates Calcharo’s rotation damage even higher, whereas Jiyan cannot take advantage of this.
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TL;DW
Not all parries are equal. They vary per character and per attack. Parries are usually rated by first hit in a combo. Rover is my golden standard, since I have most experience with Rover, everyone has Rover, and Rover also has very generous hitbox shapes and lifespan. The two concepts today are Pre-Parry and Parry Cancel.
Pre-parry relies on a Resonator’s lingering attack hitbox, allowing you to take other actions while waiting for an enemy to collide with your parry hitbox. This allows a much wider Parry Window by setting up Parries far in advance of the normal window. Hitboxes do not disappear until either hitting an enemy, or expiring naturally. By keeping your distance and swinging a lingering hitbox early, you essentially set up a "trap" for the enemy to run into, making certain annoying moves a lot easier to counter. If you directly hit an enemy with your weapon during a Pre-Parry, your hitbox will prematurely expire and the upcoming Parry will fail.
Parry Cancel relies on the delay between producing a hitbox and an enemy being successfully parried. There is a delay even on point blank attacks that allows you to take action before the parry completes, but is measured in milliseconds and difficult to take advantage of. Normally, a Pre-Parry has a massive delay between producing the hitbox and an enemy being Parried. Your hitbox remains so long as you do not cast an echo or swap off. Therefore, your options are skill, or Perfect Dodge. Perfect Dodge is the preferred method to generate Resonance Energy and Concerto Energy to speed up or add tolerance to rotations, while still Parrying the enemy. The Dodge must occur before the Parry lands, meaning the enemy needs to be close enough to be considered hitting you at the moment of Dodge.
Jiyan cannot Pre-Parry well due to noticeably shorter first hitbox lifespan. Calcharo *can* Pre-Parry, and thus can also Parry Cancel reliably with practice, giving massive damage from his Resonance Liberation’s Dodge Counter, while still destroying shields from the Parry itself. Yes, this elevates Calcharo’s rotation damage even higher, whereas Jiyan cannot take advantage of this.
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0:00 Intro
0:24 Parry Showcase
0:56 Basic Parry Mechanics
1:42 Rover Hitboxes
2:10 Pre-Parry
3:05 Why Pre-Parrying Matters
3:32 Lingering Hitboxes
3:58 Where Does Pre-Parrying Work Best?
4:23 How Do Parry Hitboxes Work?
5:13 Easier vs Harder Pre-Parries
5:43 The Exception To Pre-Parrying
6:56 Parry Cancel
7:28 Why Pre-Parry is Required to Parry Cancel
7:47 Why Parry Cancel Matters
8:15 Is Difficult To Use on Non-Gap Closers
8:55 Calcharo Parry Cancel + Ult Dodge Counter
9:37 Summary & Outro
I've been doing this intuitively thanks to anime fighting game experience. We love disjointed moves and lingering hitboxes. Finally a transferable skill.
bro just admit it. The reason why you use rover is not because everyone have her, It's because she is legit the easiest way to parry. Use a Calcharo man. Anyone who's not a game journalist can parry with rover tbh.
Does this work with Havoc Rover?
@@prophetmuhammad3890 Bro thinks being a pro gacha player is better than making content on youtube..
Amazing video, it confirmed my suspicion of this, as parries are inconsistent between characters, some can be early, some are tighter
This applies to Havoc Rover too while in Death Surge form (Forte Circuit activation). Maybe because the Death Surge form changes the animation of the basic attack.
Tho the lingering hitbox is still there on normal form's first basic attack, unsure about the second basic attack because it has different animation than Spectro's.
It's very nice to have a hard/challenging aspect on this game, as expected from PGR's devs. Not boring like the other xD
So you're telling me I need to get good. I'll do my best
As more late content releases, I'd expect them to remain at least as hard as current late game stuff. Might get even harder in future, but the goal today is to hopefully make parrying in general a bit easier for annoying attacks, hence the Pre-Parrying being quite accessible and front half of the video. You do not need to Parry Cancel whatsoever, and is moreso an extension of Pre-Parrying for DPS optimization.
@@AznvasionsII Thanks boss, I'll have to get more familiar with these enemies for sure
So yeah just get good
no, actually he is telling you, that the parry window for some characters is far more generous than people might think
no, just memorize attack patterns, be lifeless and learn the enemy
Parry cancel is the glorification of "when you try to parry then you panick clicking dodge'" moment, thinking the parry will be failed.
Its a winwin, either you get parry and free counter attack, or you don't get parry but still dodge the enemy anyway
@@tasha2749 lol yeah, imagine calling something a "glorification" which actually gives you the upper hand in a fight if you manage to do it reliably and on purpose
@@crappiefisher1331 it glorifies hesitation and hesitation is defeat
@@obitormn4714 edit: lol never mind, not in the mood today.. you do you and keep thinking doing more damage is bad
@@crappiefisher1331 that was sekiro reference
i'm just really hyped for the high skill ceiling this game is apparently going to have
It's what I like so much about the game. You can be as casual as you want, or as sweaty as you want. And for current lategame content. It's only hard enough that over time, you can match it with gear casually, because it doesn't massively outscale the level limit characters have. And that we only have bullet sponges (Tower), or super high DPS (Holograms) version of fights, rather than both. So you get a feel of both sides without feeling like you're fighting a brick wall that constantly one shots you. It does give a good feeling of what future harder content could be like, but I think it will be a while til we get something that is *hard* even by max level and full gear standards.
@@AznvasionsII coming from an avid monster hunter player
The higher the skill ceiling, the better the game
Even more so when endgame content pushes you towards said ceiling because, holy shit the holograms are insane
And well, is also very lovely that each character has a unique playstyle, so there is that layer of decision making on top of just who's the best pile of stats
u shouldn't be because its a mobile, Asian, gatcha game and all the skill you need is lvled up and opposite element character to the one you're currently facing.
@@CJ-wh7ik nah man that's bullshit
If you mindlessly whale at a boss with a minmaxed team you are not clearing the fight in endgame
@@AznvasionsII Agreed
If I'm understanding this right... I actually think you stumbled upon a potential "Option Select" with this. Dunno how familiar you are with Fighting Games, but an Option Select is when you let the game decide for you. Since Pre-Parry and Dodge are executed at the same time, you get 1 of two outcomes: 1. You Parry, Dodge Cancel the Parry, and go into your DPS or 2. You fail the Parry, which causes a Dodge anyways. The player input is the same. The game decides which of the two results you get based on the timing. In essence...there's no reason not to use this. It's all upside.
Yup, the worst situation is just you fail the check and don't get hit :)
Though the window to land a perfect dodge right before the parry connects is quite tight, since the normal dodge window is significantly larger than the perfect dodge window.
There is an overlap between the parry window and perfect dodge window, and the perfect dodge window begins only ever so slightly before the parry is allowed to occur successfully.
So really, Wuwa is really an assist-based anime fighter set in open world environment all packaged as a genshin-like gacha game?
its tsu omg. the e7 how to plays helped me a lot man
Literally this. The cara swaps, impact frames an some characters having crush moves it's literally just a open world fighting game lol. Imagine this with pvp.
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@@nabongs7735 Glad to hear it! I'm planning to do the same style of guides for WuWa in the not too distant future.
I just love how deep this combat system is
That explains why I got the parry even I knew I click BA too early before the parry timing.
Yep! Now we have a solid explanation. Surely a parry tier list soon LOL
But yea, parry testing is really, really slow and annoying because we cannot envision the hitbox shape without extensive testing, nor is it easy to tell how long a hitbox "lives" for.
@@AznvasionsIIWhat a coincidence, my last coop session my 2nd friend who joined late triggered a glitch where our attack hitbox just shows up out of nowhere.
@@AznvasionsII parry tier list would actually go hard
Damn, there’s a lot of good information here and helped explain why I have difficulty parrying with some characters. Excellent video you’ve made my friend, thank you.
Cheers, and glad it helped!
definitely a good video. they fact that you explain everything in-depth and in such a short and digestible length is great. definitely leaving a like
This is the best instructional gaming video I've ever seen - the perfectly synced voice to footage timing is so brilliant!
I'm stuck in my ways with spamming skills/ults and button mashing, but I'm actually excited to get better at learning boss mechanics and pay more attention lol
ohhh my gosh thank you so much. it's always good to find videos that give you actual info instead of generic advice, this is exactly the kind of content I look for. I'm terrible at parrying so hopefully this will help me practice :,))
Thanks for the video AZN! This is exactly what I was looking for to learn parry better! Already knew the basics, and i love the detail here!
Thank you! I hope the rerolls go well~
WOW !!! Best Guide for Dodge Counter / Parry i have ever seen !! Well Done :)
Thank you very much! I had a lot of people asking, so I thought the best idea would be to cover it in a video going over the topic :)
That was a really good guide. Thanks for the showcase. Subbed
Thank you! I have since learned I could improve adding a keyboard and mouse tracker for the more technical parts, as I've had some tell me that some parts are harder to follow. Totally missed it, since making footage from my PoV makes me very biased since I already understand what I'm presenting 😂
Great video, very easy to follow and understand. Hope to see more in the future. Keep it up!❤
Now this is the content that I've been looking for. Dodge rolls and parrying are my jam.
Subbed.
Incredible info, TY!
Damn good video. Well spoken, good visuals to help explain the points. Really great job.
Thank you. It was a fair bit of work trying to get the footage for this one haha
Thank you very much for doing this in depth videos, I usually dont find anything useful on every other wuwa video, cant wait to see what other videos you came up with 😁
We've got quite a list of stuff I need to get around to doing, just will take some time since the grind must continue as well o7
Thank you. Very clear explanation!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
Damn man , really informative video. Thanks a ton
Cheers! Glad it helped you out :)
Now someone needs to make a parry move tier list
Hahaha, that will take some time, because there is no easy concrete way to test it, as even Tempest Mephis is kind of biased.
A big part of the info in this video came from the hours I clocked into CBT2 and confirming on live before making the video.
It takes a fair bit of time to get a good feeling for the character parries and understand exactly what the shape and lifespan of their hitboxes are.
The only thing super concrete is how fast you can get the parry out, but that alone is not enough to tierlist them, sadly.
An easy parry is yangyangs rising air tunnel Forte bar just swap into her and she will parry for you it also helps with momentum
yess. I know gun characters can’t parry and most rectifier moves cant, but I’d love to see something rating and/or explaining how good different characters parries are, because they are DEFINITELY not equal and one tactic won’t work the same for everyone. I hear lingyang is hard to parry with for example, but jianxin, who’s also gauntlet, I have an easier time with parries
This video is so damn goated, great job!
Nice video, this changes how I think about parrying
you explained it really well, good video
Great video!
Very well made video. Concise and easy to understand. 👍
Thank you very much!
This is amazing, will definitely practice these preparry and dodge counters from now on.
Cheers! Hope it works out. I know it can get finnicky trying to do it with multiple different characters, since the tolerance isn't always the same
Really nicely done i need to test this out!
Amazing tip Az senpai, now I can at least get used to parrying practice, good to know your in depth knowledge still rocks, gotten used to them in Warframe build guides, cant wait to see more videos from you dude
great video!
i was expecting click bait vid but actually found an educational and throughoutly researched vid
Thanks bro, subscribed
Thank you for the info!
Cheers!
The only video I needed
Thank u kind sir
Cheers and thanks for watching!
A.M.A.I.Z.I.N.G video dude omg ... I am looking forward to your next videos especially with the very high skill ceilling that this game's combat has ..
Thank you! I'm looking forward to future content and updates too. I'm just really enjoying exploring the world and what cool stuff we can do.
such a sick video, coming from fighting games this stuff is super interesting o-o
nice tech and showcase!
Thanks!
Thank you for being the first person I've seen to pronounce concerto correctly
thats such an informative video goddamn
Cheers and thanks for stopping by!
Great video.
Nice very helpful 👍
Banger video.
Bro, you perfectly explained how I was able to parry more consistently with Rover than Calcharo. Really good content!
you make it sound so easy i will try it. thanks
Love to learn the nerdy stuff!
Nice video, ty for it.
I main Calcharo so Im definitely going to practice parrying with him more.. Thanks so much for the video!! ^^
Very informative for such a low subscriber count, keep it up dude!
Amazing guide! It's always interesting to learn new tech. Aside from PGR, there are very few real time combat gacha games that actually have a lot of tech since the base mechanics are simplified to such an extent. Having WuWa close the gap between a mobile game and a PC/Console game is interesting.
Great video, figured out the lingering hitboxes myself, but didn't know about pre-parrying + dodge countering tech. Besides from Calcharo, I think Danjin would benefit greatly from the latter, since dodge counters fill her forte quite fast. Also Jiyan has two more amazing parry tools - his CA and I think NA 3 or 4, the one with spear rotating around him.
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You well deserve it
Thank you very much!
Love this video thank you. It explains why button mashing works so well lol
Cheers and thanks for watching! Some Resonators are just built different 😎
Yooo sick from warframe to wuthering waves ur really the goat youtuber
Welcome to the other side, I've been waiting a long time for this game to release :D
Great video
Cheers and thanks!
Nice vid
great video
Thx for tips❤
No problem, thanks for watching!
DAMN thx for the lesson GIGACHAD sensei
No problem, I'm glad the info was helpful :)
thanks for info
I'm looking for a guide like this instead of those repetitive video that I'm seeing 10x per day lol. You deserve a sub sir
Try watch rexlent.. He have guide for parrying mephis and aix
Great Info! That explains why I had such an easier time parrying with Calcharo.
Thanks! Glad it helped out
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Well written script, easy to follow, great articulation, wide knowledge of the game's combat system and characters. You, sir, are a top tier content creator in disguise. Now shut up and take my like, comment, and subscribe.
My disguise has failed oh no :O
Thank you for your support!
My warframe GOAT coming in clutch with gameplay tips in this game as well, great video
@@AznvasionsII i came from your community posts but yeah i am also surprised how many wf peeps are in here as well
You deserve the subscription
Thank you!
great video, super concise and easy to follow! i must say, some parries feel pretty unintuitive in wuwa. this cleared some stuff up and makes me wanna test the windows for pre-parries on other characters.
Thank you. I felt the same. I'm still wondering what people can do with Encore if needed for parries, since I know she can be very...awkward for them.
Awesome
Thanks for this! I will try practicing pre-parrying on diff 4 tempest mephis since his clone tends to disappear after a successful parry.
He had me at “what’s up rovers” I couldn’t proceed further tbh
Nice!
Thanks!
This can be helpful for those struggling even for Jiyan’s skill, his heavy attack up until the additional attack all count for the parry window so if your timing isn’t that good or wanna reserve some resolve for the ultimate, you could opt for his heavy attack.
The heavy attack is amazing for that too yea, just the slight windup, but extremely comfy.
It’s like having a character with a “plus on block” attack in fighting games. Rover, and some characters, have moves with a statistical frame advantage vs enemies. Crazy. This is going to make the hardcore players delve into the hit box and frame data of character movesets.
Preparing for pre parrying
This made me rethink encore 😔
Thanks for the Video! I was looking for a more in-depth guide to parrying and this hit that sweet spot! I am curious tho, how does Havok Rover compare to Spectro Rover when it comes to parrying? I want to make a team out of Jianxin, Mortefi, and Havok Rover, for the 2nd and 3rd floors on the two blue Tower of Aversity sequences because those are mostly filled with mobs so AoE can carry you there while I'll have two other teams to tackle floors 1 and 4 in those two sequences and the red middle sequence, two teams focused more on single target. What I'm asking is basically if it's better to build Havok or Spectro Rover when it comes to parrying!
Great vid and explanation. Also i understand why i brought Rover and Jiyan to spotlight with this one, but personally i belive both techs will benefit even more characters, which already rely on parries so much. Gauntles users already have tendency to parry so often, sometins even by accident with fast attack chains and lingering animations. Also so far all three gauntlet users have range extention in their chains beyond character hitbos (Jianxin on all attacks, with a3 hitting even behind, Yuanwu on a2 and a3, and Lingyang durinng his forte HA). This, with many of there attacks being multihits makes prepary feel like natural state of play with them, and dodgeparry on top feels like it allows to bridge gap between them and current top dps. I can imagine, that Jiyan and Calcharo will go even further with this, once you master both techs on them, but just the idea of it makes me excited about future limited gautlet users.
Wait so I was doing parry cancel all this time without knowing. NOICE
Well i'll still have to work on my timings now but after this video atleast I know what to do. Before this, i didnt knew what to do and my parry were hit or miss. Thankyou for that
No worries, I hope the last few days have been fruitful in your journey to parry the world :P
@@AznvasionsII haha yes, i have been learning thundering mephis moves and i can dodge most of them now xD
wait what ????? Aznvasions ???? (insta subscribed)
I accidentally did this without knowing, gonna practice it later.
hmmm I struggled for the whole week with Calcharo since his attack has wider range than most of characters. This also means his attach reach to the target first and cancel the parry. Your vid enlightened me. Many thanks.
That's only if u heavy attack.. if u basic atk it will be melee range ..
Sooooo interesting and well explained : thx a LOT ! Now on to find those "lingering" hitboxes on other chars ... ;))
Danjin's Skill has it :)
Jiyan's Heavy too.
Jianxin in general
Yangyang's Skill.
Havoc Rover to a somewhat similar extent
@@AznvasionsII Great, thanks for the clues ! s(^.^)-b
Love to see the best warframe youtuber dabble with WuWa
Lol I've been spotted haha
Great video.
Time to start practicing on Danjin :
Good luck! She has very fast first hits, and longer hitboxes as well!
I always feel badass when I parry with Jiyan using his skill. U know one of those scenes in anime where the MC and the villain just dash forward towards each other to deal the final attack? It feels that way to me hahaha like you collide with them as they dash towards u.
Nice video. I think calcharo has that in his kit because if you do dodge at all during his ult you willlikely not be able to get his third big jumping attack before his ult expires.
There is T-cancel tech that can be used to mitigate this and still land the 3rd Death Messenger. However, that requires more learning as well and responding on the fly. Though the alternative is just getting hit, or dodging, both of which would also make you miss 3rd DM.
Her/his ult is also one of the best stability/shield reducing ults in the game too. And its incredibly easy to use. Also character switching can also parry some hard to parry abilities also. Not all intro/outro are good at hitting parry but most damage dealers even sub dealers have incredible parry potential.
I just started the game 3 days ago... i didn't realize the parry mechanic even existed, but i remember the tutorial where it told me about the circle thing, i just didn't realize it was a parry, i just evaded everything going forward. :))
Perfect Dodges are really important too! Now you have another tool in your arsenal you can use :)
useful for the crafted gauntlets give 50% dodge counter damage.
dodge countering on danjin is also a dps increase
Danjin has a high advantage with the perfect dodge parry; she gets a damage bonus to her 2nd E with an unlockable talent when she does her perfect dodge counter.
danjin e1 is amazing too cuz the "aura" or however you called it last for a long time, so if they rush to you like mephis when you see the circle at like half charge its a guaranted parry or at least y got trying out while watching the video 20 out of 25 parries successfully. Gotta add i play on 200 ping so maybe this is more a me thing or smth like that
1:20 Thank you. I was very much guessing what the game wants the timing to be.
No problem, I know that the game wasn't fully clear about it
Wait, I'm so happy you're doing Wuthering Waves content but how did I miss this 2nd channel when I watch all your warframe stuff? Anyway I hope you keep it up, been loving this game so far!
I just started it recently, and algorithm sucks in general so lol
Glad you're enjoying the game :)
@AznvasionsII also real quick, is it a bug or is it normal that I eat some damage every time I parry Mourning Aix? Been parry swapping to avoid that but it's not very consistent
@@nemesyssss it’s a bug since beta. I’m not happy to see it’s still there. It’s not just you. But yea swapping is the only way to avoid it.
hopefully someone makes a detailed parry hitbox per character soon.
I watched several videos with tips on parry techniques and the only conclusion I could draw from them was “you need to practice”
wow thx alot, even though i just use chixia while parrying with intro skills and other characters
Dodge, parry are just some of the moves that produces i-frames and damage windows another one is using intros/tags/swap that next their intro damage close the target or away with distance. Resosance liberation cast animation is also one.
A future unit with zero recast time upon activating some sort of special state would be extremely OP for parry
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Been unknowingly doing thiswhile fighting dreamless, fails sometimes tho.
Cheers! Now you know what was happening, and how to do it as needed :)
@@AznvasionsII will still take practice, been failing a lot XD
About parry windows, havoc rover darksurge basic attacks are similar to jiyan with parries, spamming it essentially allows for automatic parry. Spec rover's E should do the same.
Also if you ever overcommit your parries too early, just use your E, echo, ult, or intro to parry depending on situation.
A good example would be danjin's and verina's E. In verina's case only her heavy and E actually parries afaik
Storing concerto energy for intro parries are the easiest to time, more forgiving too.