Don't want to give greedy tech companies your money? Do this instead!
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- Many people don't want to support greedy tech companies but still want to own a gaming PC. So here are some ways that you can make both possible!
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I am actually kinda proud that consumers finally are voting with their wallet. About freaking time.
Yup since people were scammed into thinking tax funded consumer protection regs by the government would automagically "protect" them, that we all need to take off our tin foil hats, and scams would never be allowed to permeate any industry in our oh so civilized western faux-free trade markets.
The time to take a stand would have been when prices went up. Not now that prices are dropping.
A company can't overcharge unless you're willing to overspend. The customer is just as responsible as the company.
@@jamesmcd71you do realize the percentage of people that bought cards when prices were inflated is pretty low right? And the reasoning cards are dropping in price so dramatically now is cause no one is willing to buy the cards at current pricing.
@@jamesmcd71 Firstly, it wasn't until long after market prices had been skewed by scalpers that any of the manufacturers started raising their prices.
Secondly, most of the people who bought GPUs from scalpers during the pandemic weren't spending their own money. The company they worked for covered the costs since the system was needed for them to do their jobs from home.
It's called inflation. Welcome to the new normal. Elections have consequences.
I lost interest in computers after the pandemic but also the awful prices left me with a bad view on the companies and corporations that make the parts
Well, at least it made you aware of how the world works.
Companies aren't there to "serve" the customer, but are more of a competitor:
The consumer wants to buy as much for as less money as possible, while companies want the exact opposite.
Spot on, I lost all interest of all companies on how much greedy they got over pandemic and how they still try to carry on those ridiculous prices and shove them down our throats. All parts are stupidly overpriced for what they offer and very unreliable.
I see these GPU companies gouging the fuck out of us but handing out multiple free cards to TH-camrs.
@@Tombitp Sorry dude, but maximizing profit is just what running a company is all about - unless it's some hipster tech company like Twitter that runs a negative profit for years, backed by naive investors.
You lost interest because of the inflated pricing of these computer components and just the overall inflation of your cost of living. So stop it with the lie of blaming the tech companies of why you're not interested in computers when you're probably working 2 jobs or longer hours.
When I am shopping used on ebay I always start by searching for sold items first so I can get an idea of what things sell for vs. just looking at things that are not sold. Also works great if I’m trying to see what to list something for on FB marketplace.
I ended up with a used RTX 4090 Tuf for 800 bucks and we're what... 8 months since launch? It's like I always tell people stop hyping and wait, you'll find amazing value as you wait in the second hand market. People focus too much on warranty and companies standing behind their products when time and time again they prove otherwise.
It's absolutely fine to make the same kind of video as LTT on this subject matter, in fact I wish every tech channel would do that. People need to know they have alternatives to being price gauged, it's the only way anything's going to change. Though how much of an effect it's going to have on a nearly trillion dollar company like Nvidia is another story.
I wish people quit comparing each other TH-cam channels as every TH-cam channel has their own unique content.
Zero for Nvidia
And they are all different perspectives on the same subject, which is fine and useful. BTW the G Ryzen processors (like the 5600G) have half the cache of X and non-X processors.
Most people don't understand that Nvidia is overvalued in the stock market they don't have revenue to match the stock valuation. They are not a Trillion dollar company which is their current stock value. Their revenue is expected to increase but current is in the tens of billions and maybe over a hundred billion next year, or it won't and the stock will drop in price because of not enough revenue to support the valuation. Don't base a company on the stock valuation as stock is literally gambling on the future value of a company not the current value.
Revenue is where you hurt a company when you don't purchase their products.
Super weird how this happens sometimes
I love how you destroyed ASUS
Asus destroyed themselves
@@dustinharvey7394I was going to say that 😂
Love how consumers are finally demanding quality in products they shell thousands of $$$$ into.
They destroyed themselves. I had a new asus board I returned because of what they were doing to people. Now I never buy anything with their name one it.
@@SouthbayCreationsso what do you buy?
Genuine question, because I won't touch Gigabyte or MSI for similar reasons.
A few months back, I got a 6800 used on ebay for a little over 400. I was slightly sceptical at the listing as there was only a few pictures but there were enough positive ratings (plus ebay's buyer protection) that I felt comfortable with the purchase. And when it arrived, it looked like a brand new card and it runs like it too! I feel like I lucked out big time because I use it damn near every day and I love it! I don't feel the need to get another GPU for a solid 3-6 years now.
Jay, this was very on-time. My son is going away to college and is moving away from console to PC gaming and wanted one to take with him. I had some spare parts lying around from upgrading mine, so we decided to "build" one together. Had everything but the big ticket items (cpu, gpu, & mobo). Thought we would have to go really cheap, but exploring the used market could help to make a decent system. Keep up the great work you and your team does!
Second hand workstations can be a good base. I bought an HP Z4 G4 recently for under £300 with 512GB SSD (SATA) and 32GB of DDR4 (it takes NVMe too) and an Nvidia Quadro card (not really for gaming ). It came with Windows 10 *for Workstations* too (improved filing system IIRC).
The W2123 Xeon CPU it had installed isn't anything special but £65 found a W2135 which has 6 cores at up to 4.5 GHz. The W2145 (8 cores) is a bit more, same speed. I think it can turbo most of the cores at close to that 4.6 GHz too. It's still even a current model. A lot of them are around from recyclers.
@@grahamstevenson1740 Workstations are not built for gaming. You *can* but it won't go nearly as well as your normal pc desktop, or even laptop.
@@Sergmanny46 Workstations are the pre-built professional equivalents of homebuilt very capable computers.
Your comment makes NO SENSE AT ALL.
Furthermore they can often be purchased ex-corporates at a tiny fraction of their original cost. The build quality is the best in he industry ! They are in fact the very best PCs that can be bought other than high end server types. In fact, workstations were the very first to have to have more than 4 core CPUs. They have had 6 and 8 core CPUs available since the early 2010's.
@@grahamstevenson1740 If workstations are such a wonder then why is no one using them to play games, but instead using them exactly for what they were made for? Your comment is the one that makes no sense at all, not mine.
@@Sergmanny46 They ARE being used by people in the know.
Sure, you can buy faster if you have DEEP POCKETS (thousands of dollars) but as for VALUE FOR MONEY, ex-corporate workstations that were formerly used for video editing or high performance CAD are the way to go for economical results.
For example, I bought a genuine HP Workstation, 3 years old for about an EIGHTH of the original price !
I've also started exploring Indie games. Most of them can run on a potato, they can be had for next to nothing, and since "Triple A" game developers are just fine with dropping unfinished games for 70 bucks a pop, you're kinda making a statement to 2 parts of the industry that has really let us down the past few years.
70 bucks a pop plus microtransactions.
I've given up on buying new AAA games. I'll wait for years to pick it up cheap or I'll pick it up in a Humble Bundle. Given the limited amount of time most of us have to play it seldom makes sense to keep chasing the latest game when it ships, especially given the condition in which many are being released.
Gaming on an hp laptop for a while made me appreciate indie games and i played some old gems i wouldnt otherwise discover
Indie games are better than AAA . They innovate unlike aaa . I would suggest games like frostpunk , darkest dungeon , hollow knight , dead cells , hades . There are so many indie gems out there that forces you to think unlike these cookie cutter aaa games
@@z1ronic741 💯💯💯
One thing that might also be good to point out is things like Amazon warehouse, open box things with Amazon guarantee, is a good half way point between use and new
aaah yes give the money to amazon instead..so much better..totally not greedy
@@abcuughklkj anger against corporations is not really a problem I have, at least not in general, I'm only interested in getting good deals, and Amazon warehouse normally has them
amazon warehouse is hit or miss, but I have gotten some fantastic prices on peripherals, got a naga pro for like $80 and a huntsman mini around $35
@@ducatidragon8981 I just got elite controller series 2 for 90 euros and a xiaomi 12 for like 400, and worse case scenario you just send it back
I really appreciate you not suggesting microcenter anymore. It isn't logical nor feasible for a lot of people to shop at. The closest one to me is a 16 hour drive round trip.
Honestly I don't care what other channels covered the same things as you, I watch your content for you and Nick and Phil's perspectives on things. Its nice to get more peoples inputs on all this stuff.
Would be very interested to see what a set price budget (say $1000 or $1500) would get you new vs used and the difference in price per performance
If you're willing to go AMD, you can get a very good system for under 1000$... But it would take a little work and patience to find everything
My only recommendation with used is open it up and replace the thermal paste and thermal pads. Be surprised how much that can effect thermals.
Did that to my 290x and no improvement but it was a blower card
Great advice! and so glad when you point out that others have made a video on this topic. 1) shows your video are honest 2) even if they did make a video first it can give a different perspective. Always enjoyed your videos, yall seem down to earth guy just wanting to give good info/entertainment.
Another option to look for is Amazon open box items that actually ship from Amazon. I had an MSI X570 mainboard for about 30% off retail. Worked fine and is still being used today 🙂🤷♂️
A year after Threadripper first launched, I picked one up for the same price you can buy a 13600K. I think the reason why people aren't buying, is because they are still gouging, it's not a problem confined to the past.
Thank you for this video. Much appreciated, I’m a big fan of buying used, have built all my PCs that way for years
My uncle recommended me the i3 and the 6750 or 3070. I never considered the i3 before but I checked it out and it maxes out at 4.4 or 4.2 ghz somewhere around there…
Watching your channel really helped me when it came to loading and install my drivers to my beautiful pc
Excellent topic and well stated! Thank you!
Yes, parts got faster for same price. Mostly.
But on GPUs, you need to go really high end to see a **decent** uplift, if any. 300 to even 600 dollars GPUs doesn't offer much more right now compared to what they did in 2020. Forget about 100 to 300 class, that's completly dead. And in 2020, this trend was more or less already going. In 2023, compagnies just want to keep there outreagous margins they made during the pandemic.
I bought a 7900XTX. I'm happy with it. But i still think the GPU market is horrific right now. I just bought what I think made the most sens for someone wanting a high end GPU like me. But i'm typicly buying around 700 to 900€. Not 1k€ like I did there. That didn't felt great at all.
So if even someone like me, that can go pretty high end for pc parts and STILL being disgust by pricing, I just can't imagine what it is for someone in the low to mid-range. It's simply terrible. So I get why people are simply not interested anymore.
And if this can give an eletro-shock to the market to wake up, that could be great.
I'm enjoying you and others starting to advocate the value in older gen stuff. Honestly, an i7 4790 for $50 on ebay is so much fun to build an ultra budget gaming rig around.
Provided you patch out the Meltdown/Spectre patches and run it offline. Those really kill the CPU performance.
So i bought both a 1080ti and a 3090 used recently in Sweden. Over here our "craigslist" offers buyers warranty, where you have 24hrs after picking it up from the post office to test it. Should the item you have bought be broken or too far gone to your liking, you just file a refund, get a new shipping tag and send it right back. Once its back with the buyer you get your money returned to you.
Pretty sweet if you ask me
On the eBay search, I’d select US only, lowest price, and select the condition such as new/open box/refurb/used…which means leaving “for parts and not working” off the search. BIN offers the quickest but not the best prices. Selecting sold can give a realistic view of current prices. Auctions with bidders that have zero feedback could be risky since they often bid more than what the item is worth or maybe it’s just shill bidding by the seller to boost the final price. Don’t forget that some cards, such as the 5700 XT, require a more powerful PSU.
My best deal was a used 580 8gb for $120 right before the pandemic. It was $180 new at the time and the used ones were up to $500+ a few months later. It was enough to let me just wait out the scalp-pocolypse.
Hey sames! The rx 580 is such a good card for 1080p gaming! runs everything at mid to high settings very well!
I have a Zotac 3070 twin edge white and it's been more than great for my gaming needs as well as streaming etc. I think the loss of interest is also due to the fact a lot of people might be realising they won't be getting anywhere close to their money back if they bought new during the pandemic
I Started out with windows 98 PC, I did start building and buying parts to build my own computers years ago ..I quit building computers about 7 years ago.. now I see new parts and gonna get back to building a new gaming PC,, now I just have a Alienware R 9 ..core i7 ..9th generation to just play my hunting game.. so I'm getting ready to build myself a new computer . I greatly appreciate your channel and all the computer wisdom .. it's hard to find anyone in my area thats computer tech savvy,, I'm 66 years old and still into computer games ,, thanks for all you do for computer related videos
Thanks for sharing, young man! I started with DOS and Win 3.1 (Norton Utilities in DOS). I build a new system about every 4 to 5 years. Started playing with Doom, next was Duke Nukem 3d, then moved to driving games (mainly Need for Speed series). If you can handle driving, maybe give Forza Horizon 5 a try (you don't need a steering wheel as an XBox controller works great).
Fair winds and following seas to all.
in the UK we have a store called CEX that buy/sell used tech, games ,all that stuff. prices usually pretty fair, slightly higher than ebay but they offer a 24 month warranty on almost everything they sell.
No no Jay, thank YOU. If we didn't have videos such as yours, who knows what us(the troublesome deliquents) who are your fans would be doing otherwise! All jokes aside, we should be the ones thanking you. Your content is an escape as well as an informational fun house. Your content is both creative, fun, out of the box, yet, you still know when to get serious. Im sure I could speak for about 95% of the people who watch and support you when I say you're a fantastic and talented enthusiast. This one is all me, I don't know if you're aware but you bring a sort of calming, down to earthy vibe to this type or content too. You seem more relatable, more real world which is great. So thanks again Jay! Keep up the great work.
Also, your team is great too, can't forget them lol
2nd hand is definitely a good option, just make sure it's a local not an online purchase... cheers Jay
Buying of eBay online is fine atleast in the EU
true i was able to send a fresh/cellphone captured video of the GPU i was selling playing RDR2 on UW. the buyer was like IM SOLD bc i had it oc/tuned, Afterburner up etc....showcasing the cards stability/wattage/temps etc...Pulled it sold it the same day i sent the vid. Vs some other buyers trying to bargain/naysay their presumptions....a SERIOUS buyer said send me a recent if not Brand new video of it running a game and in my system. My system was also pretty new/clean build so they were pretty aware of my ownership/use/maintenance. Other gpus ive shown pics of dis-assembly re-pastes etc on 5700xts i was flipping during the GPU goldrush/mass sell off. Some buyers are suspicious but if ppl are serious theyre willing to consider their options and if theyre savy and aware of how to run their systemes etc...ive only had one issue with a used 5700xt strix with my irl friend bc of VBIOS and Asus GPU tweak overriding RADEON/arenalin into the GPU running "idle/0rpm" mode INTO LOAD...80c etc...which is still the Gpu/vbios/asus isolated issue. The red devil and nitro+ i was flippin those owners never complained or the 2080ti strix i sold with the RDR2 demo. EVEN the ppl i was buying the 300$ or less 5700xts from to FLIP for 400$ were pretty trustworthy quick replies and relatively aware of the temps/ranges and were intent on telling me to UV/OC curve them as they did XD for better temps tdp etc. That is what sold me on their card vs other ppl offering used GPU that had little to communicate to me as a buyer or little confidence to offer in my purchase....Simple msgs like "have you flashed the vbios or is it the same as when you own/purchased" or what are your OPERATING temps under load? etc....a legit seller will be able to verify those questions and help you make a more confident 2nd hand purchase vs an owner of a "high level gpu" having little info to offer as an owner/operator.
27:19 They only sent the sticker (pega, short for pegatina); the other items that showed in the promotional picture where not incuded.
A decade ago EVGA was the best when it came to warranties, A buddy of mine who always bought some other brand needed a new video card, so I talked him into buying a EVGA & after 6 months of use it failed, so EVGA emailed him the label to print b/c they paid for the return shipping, & EVGA sent him back their current top tier video card, a huge upgrade. My buddy picked up my tab that night at the bar as a way to say thank you.
ATI did that to me back in the day. They sent me a 9700 Pro when my video card failed within the first year. I was in high school and it blew my mind. It made me a huge fan of them for being so straight forward.
Aside from corporate behavior, I think this generation is more confusing than the last, especially if you want to avoid all the various problems. But I love this idea in every way. I might look for a new-to-me case this way. Keep doing this kind of thing, please. We need more of it!!!
i mean budweiser has felt the wrath of bad decisions...and theyre only a us company. nvidia is global.
@@aparsons671 What did Budweiser do? I haven't heard anyone whining about them.
@@DrewTNaylor you mean you havent heard about the 2month long boycott of budweiser/annhriser busch products for their mini-endorsement of dylan mulvaney trans activist? the fact they lost #1 selling beer status 3 weeks after? billions of dollars of lost revenue and still falling? budweiser giving away product to keep its corporate status as selling beer as there is no distinction for price, so giving away = sales?
@@aparsons671 Yes, I heard about that, I just wanted to get you to expose your transphobia lol
Also I'm pretty sure Budweiser isn't the same company as Busch, and the whining is over literally one can being sent to her as a promotional thing, and Busch even said sorry to the far-right so their support means nothing.
@@DrewTNaylor it was a fact that people boycotted the support of a minority group a huge portion of their customers felt was against their values. saying what happened does not make me a transphobe.
me saying anyone who is biolocally one gender and feels mentally like they are a different gender or even not a human but animal, creature or mythical object is a mental issue that needs rectification is "transphobia" and for that i am proudly labelled. mental sickness is being praised in the world instead of being addressed. i refuse to be a part of society embracing mental disorder.
apparently im part of a silent majority that are now realizing that companies that embrace values and support of this menally unstable group of people lose the business of that silent majority and hurt the wallets of those businesses that only care about money shows the silent majority have tremendous power over corporations.
nvidia is no different. if they do things the group doesnt like, we can vote with our wallets. if the value to performance upgrade isnt in our favor, not purchasing an overpriced new piece of hardware by the majority will tell nvidia unless they lower prices to reasonable levels, they will lose money.
What put me off on upgrading to a new generation of graphics cards is reading AMD's and NVIDIA's financials, and seeing their margins.
I watched linus video and as i saw you uploading a video kind of the same topic, i was laughing.
I am happy this topic gets as much attention, as it deserves.
Buying used for several years now and have found really good deals so far, but the used market had changed a lot. Less good deals and much more scammers.
One big problem at the time, as Jay has seen, the pricing on the used market are also high. They change much slower than the retail market and people are trying to refund as much as possible of their overpriced purchase hoping for someone bad informed and buying it for the high price instead of waiting for a better deal.
Furthermore, scammer have reached a new level. As an example on the privat side of ebay - dont know if it is available outside of germany - many accounts of reputable sellers are getting stolen and used for scamms. So it is realy hard to determine whi is a legit seller and who just use the account of one unothorised.
Hope it calms down in the next time
And for a deal i recently made: bought a Rx6800xt for around 400€. Not the best deal, considering new pricing at the moment, but at the time it was nearly 200€ off.
A GTX 460 that I purchased on eBay ages ago was in perfect condition. It even came in the original box with all the cables included.
A (very) old RadeonHD 6870 I once purchased on eBay worked fine too, but now and then it showed tiny teenie "artefacts" on the screen (damaged RAM chip/s from years(?) of overclocking?).
I guess one needs to not have bad luck (when it comes to graphics cards).
Reminder: the 5600g/5700g are not comparable to their counter parts but has an igpu, 5600/5600x/5700x/5800g. The G variants have half l3 cache, the same cache that allows the 7800x3d to be the fastest gaming processor, so in cpu limited situations or games that like that cache, it will be inferior.
Also I would probably buy the Zotac 2080 ti for 300 vs a higher clocked 3070/3070ti especially at 1440p where even 11gb could get eaten up in newer titles. Although the 3080 is still the better deal overall.
That 2080ti costs as much as a 6700xt,which comes with 1 more gb vram and matches a 3080 in performance. I think the new market is just better.
@@tumultoustortellini A 6700xt does not match a 3080. A 6800xt matches a 3080. The 6700xt is between a 3060ti and 3070 which actually is near the 2080 ti performance. I would rather get a 6700xt new rather than a 2080ti used, but if you need Nvidia, its still a fine used choice
@@PostWin No yeah, you're right, I was getting a bit too wily with that.
I think people overestimate the need for nvidia a bit. Alternatives to abode products definitely exist. But that's another topic. Have a good evening.
20:20 For this a Steam Deck would be more than enough, it's also very cheap, portable, has enough perfomance for newer games and it need not much power.
I found a few years back a '72 Chevy Nova no motor no trans and a posi track rear end for $500 on craigslist. Meet the guy looked at the car and title. All legit and took it home after I talked him down to $350. Best deal ever for me lol.
Squeaky noise Canadian is pretty nice too so i like to watch you both
My approach is, build planning for keeping it long term. Trying to line up with major technological jumps. Had a 2600k with Titan Blacks (only 1k each) in SLI last me a good 5 or 6 years. Then one of the Titans went bad on me and got a 1080Ti to replace them both. Then eventually upgraded to a 9900k with a 3090 (fortunate to get this at only 2k) and still rolling strong. Expecting to stay on this for another 3-4 years. Some minor setbacks lately when my FP USB-C port got shorted or something. Kinda been considering replacing my case anyway with one more airflow focused.
My entire current PC (CPU, CPU cooler, mainboard, sound card, case, most fans) was built by me from used parts except for the PSU, the SSDs, and the GPU which I got by being lucky in Dec 2020 with a 3060 Ti FE drop for MRSP. I have always been a big fan of buying used as long as it makes sense and I will continue to do so if the application is right for it.
there are also buyers that scam. They will say the item received was faulty and return their bad part back and ebay does not help the seller at all.
Got a few good deals on marketplace/kijiji while building my new desktop, like a 7950X for $450 CAD or a Strix RTX 3090 for $900 CAD. Deals can be found whenever but you just need to keep your eyes open and be patient, as well as being ready to jump on private listings as soon as you see them if the price seems reasonable at that point in time.
Would love to see some Budget machine builds from an opti Plex with some cool mods to a b450 build that is still a perfectly fine build to game on
LTT and J2C are legends in the industry - I appreciate both sharing the same sentiment regardless of who released the video first.
Great vid Jay. Proper consumer advice.
I loved Jay's Duolingo thing in the end lmao
I recently built my full custom loop pc with 75% used/open box/refurbished parts and I saved huge amounts of money by doing so. I highly recommend going used for your pc builds.
Every component in my current build is used besides my case which was open box. 100% no issues with every purchase and honestly find it hard to go new now
Word of caution when using a 1080 ti within a newer AMD motherboard: GTX 10-series and below cards will have a blank screen at boot when using the DisplayPort. There is a firmware update available (NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays). I had this issue on a few 1080 Ti's installed into B550 systems. After the update the 1080 ti's run at 120Hz @ 4k.
YEP! Last thing I purchased new was a Lian Li EVO case. Reason being is that it was a lot of case for a reasonable price. I then proceeded to fill it with used parts to build my current gaming PC.
It would be helpful if there was a list of cards that the bracket was screwed to the heatsink to avoid sag.
I'm happy with the intel arc a750 LE i got for 200 new. Haven't had any problems with it at all and the performance has been pretty good. Hogwart's Legacy on ultra settings including ultra RT and I'm getting 45-55 fps. Drop to High RT settings and getting 60-65 fps.
Sure !
6:50 as someone from Indonesia, can confirm, even shipping to Indonesia from basically anywhere else is waiting hell. Literally waited FOUR MONTHS for a physical copy of a game that I ordered from Amazon to arrive back in 2019
Good info for those who can't spot an online scam easily. Maybe this video will save some people from scams.
You are damn right about never trust the sellers when they only want to use digital payment options with shipping and especially friends and family only on paypal, i’ve had the experience myself trying to purchase a replacement card when my GTX 1070 died a week over warranty during the pandemic(what are the odds). Found a deal for 100 bucks on a RX 580 and i was stupid and too trusting to go with paypal and you guessed it he wanted friends and family option only. I never recieved the card and i was ghosted of course.
It wasn’t till end of last year prices finally dropped in the EU for gpu’s and i had collected enough money to upgrade from a i7 4770k system. Always meet the person if you are buying second hand i learned that the hard way.
Bought a used 3090 FE for $500 locally via Facebook about 2 weeks ago. Was building a rig for a friend and got them a good jump in performance for the money.
I scored a i7 12700kf still sealed in the box for 200 usd just a couple weeks ago. I know its not a huge savings as Amazon has it for 259 right now, but that 59 dollars allowed me to budget up to a Asus z690 prime motherboad instead of a B series.
Love you Jay and team!!!
Pretty happy that for a build I was doing for a friend I was able to get a Sapphire 480 Turbo for under 100 in person and it's working flawlessly! (He wasn't worried about new or top of the line, just wanted to upgrade for low dollar cost)
But the previous gpu I got him was a rip off. 85 in person for a 1660 but all ports but the dvi port are dead
My friend bought a 3090 founders from CEX (almost like a pawn shop for electronics/discs/controllers in the UK) mid last year for £800, they are now £750 for the founders and around 700 for partner cards, cards come with 2 year warranty where they'll either replace it or refund if they can't, i have personally and not known anyone to be screwed by their warranty.
There are currently 3080s for 420-470, and 3080ti for 550-600
Jay could you do a video of all the pc fans the daisy chain together so we can compare our price options.
I remember I bought brand new 2080 Ti from our Craigslist equivalent website 100€ cheaper than new from store on sale. I have met the seller by person. It still had not damaged sticker on box with invoice included. I asked why is he selling this. He said it was a Christmas gift for his son, but because he got Fs at school, his wife decided the card must be gone as punishment. It was few months before GPU shortage begins.
Sent a picture of my build, and got a 13 600 K from Micro Center for 225 about six months ago. Worth driving the hours to get there!
Jay, "refurbished" in the secondary market does not necessarily mean the product (systems / subsystem / PC / dGPU card) "failed" but that the system was inspected, verified working to spec and maintained as in some maintenance tasks were done that is refurbished. For a server PSU and cooling and memory inspection and they usually need new (types) of drives mostly flash these days because the old one were shredded. For a dGPU component paste and thermal pads and for a US domestic seller email them and ask. Glad to see a secondary "open market" report. mb
I've been building PC's for about 25yrs now, upgrading for even longer than that. I went from constantly upgrading parts every 6 months or so... perhaps a complete rebuild every 18 months... to making my PC's last 4-5yrs on average.
My current build is from April 2020, didn't get a GPU because I'd bought a 5700XT just 7 months earlier. X570, 32GB, 3800X, 500GB PCI-E4 nvme and a couple of 1TB SSD's along with a 6TB HDD for backups and older games.
Over the last 3yrs I upgraded the GPU to a 6900XT when prices dropped last year. Still paid a lot, but sold my 5700XT to a friend for a decent price. I then upgraded to a 5800X3D and have added some extra storage... A 4TB Samsung SSD & a 1TB Sabrent NVME. I put the 3800X into my mediaserver (where most of my older parts go first) and underclocked it to 3ghz so I could undervolt it (1.1v now) because it's just a mediaserver and doesn't need to be fast or turbo, Runs cooler, less heat still faster than it needs to be... and I gave the 2600X from that system to the same friend who had the GPU for his new system.
My parts usually go from me, to my mediaserver or my mum/friends and for knock down prices or even for free. I rarely sell stuff online anymore because of scammers trying to rip you off and claim something is damaged/broken to get their money back.
Bad sellers are just as common as bad buyers.
Still running same platform. Priority saving for new tires for my truck. Love your advice dont get scammed. Great content. Yes
The last PC part I bought brand new (for myself) was an i7 7700K. Since then, all of the hardware has been bought used (Actually, now that I think about it, the RAM I still use now was the last thing I bought new, Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600Mhz DDR4, which was VERY pricey at the time).
My CPU was bought just after the 5800X3D came out. It's a Ryzen 5900X that I got for €300,- which was a great deal at the time. The previous owner had bought the 5800X3D and just wanted to get rid of his 'old' CPU quickly. There were no problems with the CPU and it's still in use in my current PC.
A less than great deal, was the RTX 2080 that I got, near the end of the stupid inflated price cycle for GPU's. It had a waterblock on it, but I mounted a Raijintek Morpheus cooler on it, because I did not want to go back to open loop water cooling. Besides, half the screws were missing on this card, so it wasn't that good of a deal, 'even' at €550,- (At that point, most cards were 600 and up), but at least the original blower cooler was also provided, so when I was able to get a 2080ti for €320,- a few months later (Also with a blower cooler) from a datacenter that had used it for 3D modeling, I was able to revert the MSI 2080 back to original and use the Raijintek cooler on the Gigabyte 2080ti. Right now, I still own that card.
Anyway, I have bought a LOT of used goods over time, often putting them together in a PC and then reselling the PC, usually with close to no profit, because it's pretty much just a hobby anyway.
I currently have an RTX3090 for sale, but for some reason (Probably the fact that it's water cooled and open loops are not very popular here) it still hasn't sold, despite me offering it for a very low price. A lot of 'interested' people keep underbidding it with ridiculous amounts, despite my card being one of the cheapest offerings already, so I keep having to tell them, that I am not selling it for the price of a 3080 and if that's their budget, than they'd need to make a choice of either buying a 3080, or increasing their budget, but... Never mind that.
Also, the Raijintek cooler I have won't fit on that 3090 and one that WOULD fit, costs €150,- so that's why I am not going to use it myself.
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I don't even know why I am writing all of this, I highly doubt anybody is going to read (all of) this, so... If you did, bonus points for you!
Have a nice day!
Nice to see an informative piece making users aware that options exist. That said my engagement dropped because of my and most of the responses I saw said:
Bad economy
Overpriced and underdelivered for a supposed generation increase
Current build does what I need it to and the headroom for more isn't worth the cost of replacement, because of the second point.
It feels like Intel's tick took, but more of the minor improvements over anything actually justifiable.
Maybe if I were in the market to bump up from something like an nvidia 70/80 to a 90 I might care, but it's just not interesting right now with all of those factors.
Would love to see pieces where water cooling is covered more in depth, really need to set up a custom loop because I don't want to blend an AIO with a custom loop just to cool my GPU, and every time I try to research into it I get overwhelmed.
Would also love to see you do some really fancy builds, like modding an Xbox case as a no bars held PC with liquid cooling or something.
I got my full desktop and 1440p asus 175Hz screen for 1300 CAD last november , it was the biggest lucky shot i've had in my life and my first ever gaming pc, with 3070 gaming trio X , 5800X with AIO, and 32gb ram, mother board asus tuf gaming X570 pro wifi. I went and met with the dude showed me the pc live it looked clean he looked like a geniuinely nice person that cared for it but just was in urgent need of quick cash. I did a leap of faith and never regretted it
In your Ifixit gift box video thingy I absolutely didn't frame peep to read the money checking if it was real or not.
12:24 I have a Zotac RTX 3060Ti and I can give it 110% power limit, but it rarely pulls that much
Been watching a lot of your videos recently as I just built my first PC in like 20 years. My last build was an AMD K6-2 500Mhz when they said AMD wouldn't be around long. I just put together a AMD Ryzen 7 5700X with and ASRock Radeon 6600 and ZERO RGB!!! Sorry had to say it. I may put some blue and/or white LED strips and a CPU AIO (tower cooler RN) with that same color scheme to go with my Corsair gaming KB and mouse I keep blue and white colors. Anyway, thanks for the new info I needed to get up to speed so I could build a new one. I will send pictures when I get the last couple of things. I also bought it all at MICRO CENTER as I live in their homeland of Ohio. I am like 15 minutes from the Sharonville location (Cincinnati) and have been a customer there off and on for like 25 years and LOVE EM. Have a great one.
I went from a 1050 to a 3060. I bought Asus tuff gaming 12gb used for £350 this time last year I've never had an issue and it's base clock actually runs a touch higher than the listed usual.
My best deal - Sapphire RX580 8GB GPU back in 2017 from Amazon... It was on pre-order at about £270 which was below MSRP. So I ordered one.
The price then kept dropping until it reached £106 and was then listed as 'unavailable'... Thanks to the amazon price guarantee... they honour the lower price. I had to wait about 3 months, but they shipped it for that price.
I still have the card, during the pandemic my employers kept putting of the authorisation for my work PC (I work from home since 2017 anyway)... and then the shortages hit. I managed to talk them into letting me buy a used GPU as nothing was available through their channels that wasn't 3x the msrp... and sold my own RX580 (that I'd replaced with a 5700XT in late 2019 (also a good deal, £75 under MSRP due to ordering a 5700 and amazon shipping the 5700XT) to my company for £400.
2 great GPU's ended up costing me about £30 as a result.
I bought a used evga 3080ti about a year ago for 800 and couldn't be happier. It came from Florida and had some minor coorsion on the cooler but worked perfectly. Threw it on water, and itll push 120 fps in VR no problem at 55c.
Preach on Jay.
Best deal... kinda a computer part.
My mother was working on her Masters in Music Education, and needed a keyboard (musical instrument type) that had midi, so she could complete the online portion of the class.
I found one on Craigslist for $20, met in person, and got it.
2nd best deal guy was selling 2 old macbooks, with chargers... asked $50 total. I met in person, both chargers worked and one of the macbooks... honestly, apple wants $70 each for those chargers, so that was worth it.
AND... I have run into issues where 2012 and older macbooks will not actually charge with the newer chargers, so you need an older one around for those friends who lose theirs.
My main reason is because I already got a 2 year old solid system (3080/i5-10600k) which is all I need to run most games at 4k/60fps or even more fps which is all I need
i got a 3070 right when the 40 series announcements came out for like 250 on ebay but it had been mined on. I asked the guy some simple questions like if the bios was changed or if it was ran 100 percent load and he was very transparent and after getting it, i have it working to this day. Another deal was a few months ago getting a sapphire 5700xt for like 150. Idk if you intentionally left out arc if you didnt think it was a good deal or reliable but those seem like a nice deal now with the performance gains and the sales they have for new
The problem with that pin picture on that cpu is it was a multi unit listing, so you dont know if the picture is of that unit. And is likely not.
If i plan on overclocking in the future, whats the best brand reliability wise that I should go for? MSI? 4090. I would buy the latest evga but i do want a 4090
the problem here in Portugal is that the second hand market is almost the same price as new, so that out of the window here....
I bought a 3060 used on eBay for $250 which worked fine for one day, the second day it started throwing artifacts (green lines everywhere). Luckily I was able to return it with no trouble. Bought a brand new Zotac 3060 with 12Gb for $358 two or three months ago. With my 5600X ($150 at Best Buy) I can play everything I want. Been rocking Diablo 4, COD: Warzone, Destiny 2 and The Division 2 with no issues.
What do you think about buying renewed? Look to build a secondary computer
Jay what chair do you use? Could you make a 2023 chair guide?
I got a 1080 Ti FE in August of 2017 for $600 on Craigslist Los Angeles… they were still going for full retail at that time. It wasn’t a scam, the guy was cool… we met at Fry’s in Burbank when I worked there for a short time.
25:46 There's also cash frauds going on, so even with cash be careful
over here in nz we have those plastic moneys, but ppl found a way to wash the ink and reprint a $100 on $10 notes, but you can catch it out by looking at the security window which will have markings of the $10 note
Hey Jay, what is your opinion about E5, v4 Xeons (LGA2011-3) together with cheap chinese MoBo?
THose CPUs dropped significantly in price in the recent months (Both the MoBos and the CPUs).
They use DDR4 ECC RAM, which has also dropped in price a lot (like halved in the last year)
I have a 3800X and it holds back the 3070 at 1080p, understandably so, but pairing Zen 2 with Ampere involves some slight bottlenecking.
I have been thinking about getting a 3080/ti or 3090/ti used.
One Ebay, using the filters on the side really helps.
Best deal with computers, my RTX 2080. Bought it as an End of Line clearance, 33% off brand new.
Jay will you another video of wether to buy a GPU or wait in the upcoming months?
(Renewed) on Amazon means "refurbished", which is that that $499 (300 below market) is
I'm a crock! I watch both channels all day long! love em.
Great over-all Tech-Dad advice. You need a Tech-Dad T-shirt.
Question! What do I do if I want to sell some of my old PC parts as a one time thing (I just upgraded some of them). I have never sold on any platform before, so I have no credit. Would appreciate your thoughts!
Another reason to go 3000 series Nvidia over 2000 is those 3000 cards still may have warranty left, and many sellers will give you the original receipt.
This is what I ran into while helping my son with his AMD build especially with the motherboard. What brand do you feel comfortable giving your money to? Went through the list of manufacturers and kept saying "Nope. Nope, Nope" until there was no one left. Really like the look and layout of the Gigabyte boards but not confident of getting an RMA if needed.