9mm vs 38 Special for concealed carry
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When comparing the Smith & Wesson 642 Airweight (.38 Special) and the Kahr PM9 (9mm semi-automatic), you’re looking at two very different firearms, each with its own set of advantages and disadvantages. Here’s a detailed comparison to help you weigh their pros and cons:
Smith & Wesson 642 Airweight
Pros:
Reliability: The S&W 642 is a revolver, which means it has fewer moving parts compared to a semi-automatic. This generally translates to greater reliability, especially under stress or adverse conditions.
Simplicity: The revolver is easy to use, with a straightforward design that requires minimal training. There's no magazine to worry about or complex cycling issues.
Durability: The 642’s aluminum alloy frame and stainless-steel barrel and cylinder provide durability and resistance to corrosion.
Concealability: The 642 is a snub-nosed revolver with a compact frame, making it an excellent choice for concealed carry. Its lightweight and small size make it easy to carry discreetly.
Ease of Maintenance: Revolvers are generally easier to clean and maintain compared to semi-automatic pistols. The 642’s design simplifies the process of routine care.
Cons:
Limited Capacity: The 642 has a six-round capacity, which is lower than most semi-automatics. This could be a drawback in situations where higher capacity is advantageous.
Recoil and Accuracy: The .38 Special cartridge, especially in a lightweight revolver, can produce significant recoil, which may impact accuracy for some shooters. The short barrel also affects effective range and precision.
Double Action Only: The 642 features a double-action-only (DAO) trigger, which can be heavier and less smooth compared to a single-action trigger, potentially affecting accuracy.
Sights: The revolver’s small, fixed sights can be challenging to use for precise shooting and might be less effective in low-light conditions.
Kahr PM9
Pros:
Capacity: The Kahr PM9 has a 6+1 or 7+1 magazine capacity (depending on the magazine), offering more rounds before needing to reload compared to the 642.
Caliber: The 9mm cartridge offers more stopping power and is often seen as more effective than the .38 Special for self-defense purposes. It also tends to have less recoil than the .38 Special in a similar-sized gun.
Accuracy: The PM9, being a semi-automatic with a longer barrel compared to the 642, generally provides better accuracy and range. The Kahr also features improved sights compared to the 642’s fixed sights.
Trigger: The PM9 has a smooth DAO trigger that many find more manageable and accurate than the heavier DAO trigger on the 642.
Modern Design: The Kahr PM9 incorporates modern materials and engineering, providing a sleek and contemporary design with good ergonomics.
Cons:
Complexity: The semi-automatic mechanism of the PM9 means it has more parts and requires more maintenance and care to ensure reliability compared to the simpler revolver.
Concealability: Although still compact, the PM9 is slightly larger and heavier than the 642, which might make it less ideal for some users seeking the most discreet carry option.
Maintenance: Semi-automatics like the PM9 require more detailed cleaning and regular maintenance to keep them functioning properly. The magazine and recoil springs also add to the upkeep.
Cost: The Kahr PM9 is generally more expensive than the S&W 642, which could be a consideration for budget-conscious buyers.
Conclusion
Choosing between the Smith & Wesson 642 Airweight and the Kahr PM9 largely depends on your specific needs and preferences.
The S&W 642 excels in simplicity, reliability, and concealability, making it a strong choice for those who prioritize ease of use and carrying comfort in a self-defense revolver.
The Kahr PM9 offers a higher magazine capacity, more powerful ammunition, and potentially better accuracy, appealing to those who prefer a semi-automatic pistol with modern features and are comfortable with a bit more complexity.
Both firearms are solid choices in their respective categories, so your decision should be guided by what aspects are most important for your intended use.
Funny to listen to all the "experts" fire power and multiple clips....In the real world If you need a gun it will be close and over before you know what happend..The best gun is the one you feel comfotable with and you will carry....doesn't matter how powerful or how many rounds, if you don't have it when you need it..And pray you will never need it..
Yes but capacity is an important thing, you’re not going to go with 1 bullet.
@@gamestycon2239 capacity is great if you cant shoot. 7 yards is combat range for personal protection.if you cant hit your intended target in this range, spend the very least amount of time in public as you can. If you dont put yourself in an an uncomfortable situation, then you wont have to worry much.
Don't know your experience, but FYI the 7 yard distance was a DRILL by a Utah Police Academy Instructor. If you're not familiar it, it's called the Tueller Drill. It's not a law, not policy, or documented combat range for personal protection. Some are less & some are more. Combat accuracy is evaluated at 25 yards.
www.bing.com/search?q=tueller+drill&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
Agreed but rounds matter I’d rather have a 15 round glock than a 5 round 38.
MrTelecaster420 Most folks cant shoot that's the sad reality.
Your videos are very professional and always well done. Thanks
thank you for sharing your view on both firearms.
Good idea for a video and well done...I myself will never give up my 6 shot Colt Detective Special for EDC in the summer loaded with Hydrshok. Thanks.
secretsquirrel Revolvers are a great option and your set up will serve you well!
you are a very good teacher!
Thanks for watching. I hope you'll check out some of the recent vids we've done of dry practice, shooting on the move and front sight focus.
There's no disputing the fact that a semi automatic handgun is faster at reloading plus it holds more rounds. It might also be more accurate but there's a higher possibility of it malfunctioning. A revolver is probably never, ever , ever going to miss fire or malfunction. And when the shit hits the fan and live rounds are coming your way, you might want a gun that's not going to miss fire.
My PM9 does not eject magazines like your PM9 did in this video. My magazines never fall freely. I have been on the Kahr Forum and get the impression that my experience with magazine ejection is far more prevalent that what I saw with your gun. Do you have any special solution for this issue?
Exactly the comparison I was looking for.
My C9 is heading to the factory after 3000 rounds in six months. Quit firing and multiple misfires after a new set of springs and firing pin. It is not a good cc gun but was reliable and accurate up to the mentioned issue. I am looking at the Taurus Millennium 9MM or the Taurus 38 Special Ultra Light which I have fired 50 or so rounds thru. At 10 yards the snub nose had 3" pattern. Leaning toward the 38.
Any further thoughts anyone??
Big fan of the S&W M&P Shield. 9mm or .40. The Ruger LCR is an super deal. Great out of the box trigger. I have a SW Airweight 640, but the LCR is much more fun to shoot and about the same weight. Or Glock 26 Next size up Glock 19, Glock 23 or
I own a shield 45,pt111 g2,38 642 and use them all in a rotation in different situations
out of all the .38 snubbies youve shot, which one has the least recoil to you?
Good video.
I prefer carrying a revolver. I have a Smith and Wesson model 442 .38 special. Shoots +P rounds. Doesn't have the capacity of a semi auto but I like how easily conceals in my pocket in a pocket holster. I can walk around without a shirt on in the summer and you'd never know I had a gun on me. Takes up about as much space as a cell phone. Also it's easy to shoot. It's double action so you just draw and shoot. Goes bang every time.
James Thompson my fav option too. these modern high cap plastic toys are ugly uave no heart or guts to them. also I like the contour of my 642 airweight and I love the .357 variations. most versatile set of handgun cartridges ever (without potential over penetration like a 44spl/mag or 45/454 cas). too many fools think they need 15 round mags carrying one in the gun and 4 more on the belt. thinking they'll be attacked by zombies terrorists or mafia by the hundreds. sorry boondock saints was a movie 1 guy isn't gonna go up against 200 and win. law enforcement stats say avg gun fight distance ft. avg amount of rounds fired 1 to 3 per person. So why anyone feels they are superman and they are super special is beyond me.
Is there swomething wrong with my L frame snub nose S&W .357 Magnum,
because when I shoot it, it goes bahdah Bing bahdah bang bahdah boom ...z
@@tonytafoya6217 Yes it sounds Damaged..should Sound More like KaaBooomm!! or even POOOWW!!
People can argue pro and con until the cows come home. It is simply a matter of personal choice. I carry a S&W 642 air weight in my pocket and when I can conceal it, I also strap a S&W SD9 VE on my belt.
@@georgemoomaw9437 You're running my setup, a S&W 642 aluminum in 38 special except I have the snappier SD40VE
A .38 special loaded with Hornady Critical Defense is nice.
People can say what they want about the ol' .38 Special cartridge but for many years that was my go-to cartridge for pretty much everything in terms of both my service revolver and for concealed carry. Many years ago I worked as a security officer in south Florida and the State of Florida mandated that all armed security officers had to carry a 4-inch .38 Special revolver. Sadly, you couldn't use a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special cartridges. It absolutely HAD to be a .38 Special revolver. No more, no less. Most armed security officers opted to carry a blued or nickel S&W model 10 or the stainless steel model 64 and because of this I got to know the .38 cartridge VERY well over the ten years I was a "rent-a-cop". Although we only had to qualify once a year, I was on the range at least once per month because I enjoyed shooting so much, and I really loved the .38 Special cartridge and it served me well over the years. I've been out of the business for many years now but today I understand things are different and Florida later changed what they allow guards to carry as far as types of handguns and caliber(s). Although I don't get to the range like I once did, I still enjoy shooting when I can but as a mere private citizen still I enjoy shooting .38 Special's through my old 4" S&W model 586 and it's a round I still love to fire when I get the chance. Some may scoff at the .38 for defense purposes but as someone who carried one "on the job" for ten years I can attest the .38 Special is still a viable cartridge for defense purposes because it's available in such a wide variety of bullet types and rated strengths. I'm equally fond of the 9mm, and just like the .38 Special, it too is available in a wide variety of bullet type and strength levels up through +P+ ratings, making it a very versatile cartridge still today :)
WelshWidgetMan2O1O 38 special been dropping bad guys since the cowboy days.
I carry both .38 Special, & 9mm. It just depends on which one I want to have for the day.
Great snubbie shooting. I just got one and have been pulling DA. It really does take quite a while to start acquiring the sights efficiently but damn these snubbies are fun. I had my 45 with me and took about 10 shots and put it away and went at it for about 60 shots with the snub. I may not be as good but for some reason the fun factor is really there. Plus it is so much easier to pocket carry it with some hollowpoints than my semis in a holster, atleast in the hot weather. good vid and tips. thx much.
My CCW is a Canik TP9SF 9mm with a capacity of 18+1. I always carry a BUG as well, usually my S&W 638-3 .38 spl. It’s a 5 round snub nose revolver I keep loaded with Hornady +p Critical Defense rounds. At home, I keep my little Ruger LCP II .22LR semi auto pistol with me at all times. Lots of coyotes snd snakes and the like.
There is less of a chance to have a loading jam or a failed ejection of a shell with a revolver.
Rafael Madrigal yeah but they come with a whole different set of problems
Can you name any? Im serious cause Im looking to get one and I dont know what to watch out for.
Tony Home just get really good on your reloads, that’s where the revo can fail on you. I’ve had shells that got stuck under the extractor star, which is the revolver’s version of the stove pipe jam. It’s also difficult to release that stuck shell, but that has happened when I’m on the range using cheap metal cases ammo and haven’t brushed or cleaned the cylinders in between firing segments.
Sure revolvers have their issues, however all in all are more forgiving than automatics in regards to ammo and reliability.
I like revolvers but I have jammed them before as well ( powder and pocket lint under the Star extractor) nearly impossible to clear without tools. Modern auto loaders from quality manufacturers have fewer moving parts, easier to reload and generally more powerful with less recoil. When was the last time you saw the police or military with a revolver? I do recommended using a quality holster with autos though, less of a issue for revolvers.
Thanks for your perspective. Felt recoil is subjective and for me the kel-tec had more recoil... so much that I sold it after only 100 rounds. For me the M&P Shield has been an excellent alternative. Plus with 7+1 and an 8 round magazine it's a good combination of small size and capacity. That being said, whatever works for you the operator, and allows quick hits on target matters more than a specific caliber or brand. Thanks again for commenting!
At 4:05 that's a good point, and I agree. If you look around TH-cam for videos of cops or soldiers shooting it out, it's sustained gunfire because the bad guy is trying to kill the cop or soldier. Now look at videos of civilians in a gunfight. Very few bullets are exchanged, and the bad guy generally runs away. Why? Because all he's looking for is a victim, not a fight. I respect the tactical shooters community because that kind of intense focused training will definitely save their life in any possible scenario, but the reality is that a revolver--even with its limited ammo capacity--is more than capable of defending a civilian's life. That's not classroom scare tactics, that's not keyboard warrior stuff. That's a verifiable fact of a civilian gunfight that anybody can see for themselves right here on TH-cam. Personally I carry a semi-auto, but if I were to carry a revolver I wouldn't consider myself under-armed.
We agree. Revolvers are solid self defense tools and are will worth serious consideration for EDC. Thanks for commenting
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC i have a colt anaconda .44MG and a ruger alaskan super red hawk .454 casull. In my opinion, for self defense ( in case of rapid fire), is too large caliber because the recoil is very strong.
.357 is the magic bullet.
Revolvers are the way to go for self-defense, Im always nervous of clip fed pistols because of the fact of the safety and then if the clip feeds correctly etc. as where a Revolver human error is basically eliminated and it only comes down to aim.
EC Reviews well they are magazines and not clips that go into a handgun... but, the magazines aren't as much of an issue as you would think
Randy D could be if you don't take care of your guns...
Well yeah I don't trust my c96 or steyr hahn
Watch real life shoot outs caught on camera. ASP makes tons of them... never seen a reload once
Joseph Mountford likewise
Has anyone done a study on average number of shots fired in civilian self-defense encounters? I mean, if you are neither law-enforcement NOR a criminal, just a regular person. Maybe you addressed that in a video and I missed it. I bet the vast, vast majority of the time it's two or three shots tops, like 99.9%, and that high-volume shootouts where over 10 rounds are fired almost never happens (again, if you're not a cop or a gangsta).
Rick Schubert However, if you are a store clerk and you get in a gun fight, (as seen on TH-cam) there seems to be some need to avoid using any marksmanship at all.. "Sights? Nope don't need em!" Just hang the pistol over the top of the counter, keep your head low, eyes closed and yank the trigger until all the ammo is gone.. :)
You're right.. If you are a regular guy walking down your driveway, and a thug with a knife attacks you, normally, 1 to 3 shots with a .38 special into his center of mass will work fine, 98.6 times out of 100.
People who chose weapons for LEOs, like the whole idea of 100 times out of 100. 'Hey, let's put some lasers on that'..
The reason most people want 17 rounds of 10mm, is the fear of getting into a real firefight with multiple attackers.
Like when the border patrolman walks around a bush and runs smack into a dozen drug cartel members..
If I were carrying around my area, 5 or 6 rounds would do it. I do like the idea of 100% reliability too.
What scares me about carrying a semi-auto is, I might only get one shot..
If the pistol misfeeds, and my first shot was sloppy.. Dang! I just made some crazy want to kill me really fast..
That's when that 17 rnd mag comes in handy.. It makes your half polymer pistol heavy enough to be used as a bludgeon of mass destruction .. ;)
Rick Schubert That's a good question. I also think it's probably only like two or three rounds, max. Civilians typically don't get into bonafide gun battles the way police sometimes do. Although it certainly could happen, it probably would never happen and I tend to think the most a civilian would ever have to fire is maybe two to three rounds. That's why I've never worried about carrying a mere 6-shot revolver as my concealed-carry handgun because the chance of actually firing all six rounds is remote (at best). It just doesn't happen in the real world.
WelshWidgetMan2O1O CCW is legal with no restrictions other than licence in my country but we have only 10 mio population and very low crime rate, so I can keep track of self defense shootings and trust me, situations where 5 rounds aint gonna cut it are more widespread than you think, like 1 in 5 situations, half a year ago a man failed to end his situation with 5 shot snubby, his brother caught up on him and ended it, otherwise - he might have ended pretty beat up - at the very least. Though I want to carry a snubby because I want plastic rounds (court system issue)
+Rick Schubert
You are quite right. The FBI stats say average is 2 to 3 shots. The chances of a civilian getting into a raging gun battle are less than the chances of getting hit by lightning.
+ardvarkkkkk1 Cops end up shooting a LOT of rounds at perps--just to make sure. There is no reason why a "civilian" wouldn't need to shoot many rounds as well, especially since cops should be better shooters.
im getting the revolver soon! im so stoked! first gun. been watching videos on it for hours
So what did you get?
A small 5 shot taurus revolver
***** Just picked up 38 taurus myself.Happy shooting my friend and grats on your first firearm.
thanks! I like it but i want the baby Desert Eagle 3.. its like my dream gun.. I dont like only having 5 shoots but 16 sounds great
***** Will this be your carry gun?Or home gun?
Sir, I owned the PM9 for two years and shot several thousand rounds throught it. I didn't use the slide relase as it was almost impossible to actuate. I've always used the "sling shot" method to chamber a round when i cant get the slide release. See my other vids. I ended up selling the Kahr and going to the M&P Shield which felt better in my hand and has a trigger (with a distinct) reset. Kahr is a good gun... on issue are the mags which can cause malfunctions.
Glock 34, approx. 3,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort; Glock 19, approx. 9,000 rounds, 2 limp-wristed stovepipes (my bad), 0 other failures; Walther PPK, approx. 2,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort;S&W Model 36, approx. thousands and thousands of rounds over 25 years, 0 failures.Buy quality firearms to begin with, maintain them properly, practice regularly, 0 failures.
+bill h Right on! So very true...
+bill You cant extrapolate your personal experience to actual historical data.
I absolutely can do that. My personal experience over many years is my data. It is not anecdotal to me. My firearm is different than another's because it is mine, I use it, I maintain it. I may have left out that I use only brand ammo or my own reloads in my original post but the numbers are the same, 0 ftf's, 0 fte's. Surely there are problems with some firearms even of the same brands as I have posted but they can most often be repaired and maintained thereafter. What actual historical data are you referring too?
+Robert Hafetz Robert and Bill, I've had great success with my Glock pistols. My Gen 2 G19 has over 50,000 founds through it. My Gen 17 has 18,000 rounds. My G 34 12,000+ My G26 Gen 3 has over 10,000 rounds through it My S&W M&P Pistol have similar round counts. The bottom line, all of my polymer framed striker fired guns have been 100% reliable provided I was using quality ammo, good mags and proper maintenance. As an instructor , I see lots of guns and in our classes we shoot as much as 700 rounds a day in an advanced class. I can say the striker fired guns by the top manufactures (Glock, S&W, XDMs, Walthers and HKs) have been extremely reliable. Bottom line, if the handgun is well maintained, and used with quality ammo and Mags. They are capable of extreme long term performance.
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC Couldn't agree more. I've been shooting since the late 50's, for fun mostly and competitively. I think I've worn-out a couple revolvers ( a Herters .22 & an old Model 10) over that time, they still function well though not as accurately nor as tightly. Still, I could use them if needed...I consider that long term performance no matter what other data might say.
My pleasure, thanks for watching. You might be interested in the recent reviews I've done on the compact 9mms. Especially the MP Shield. Please check out some of the other videos, let us know what you think and feel free to share with your friends. Thanks!
Recoil is subjective... I think the Ruger LCR has the lowest felt recoil.
Bob, I agree the slim size and the very good trigger make the Kahr one of my favorite carry guns. Thanks for watching!
Dan, I have shot the LCR and think it is okay. The ability to replace the sights would not be a selling point to me. It is Certainly accurate and fired every type of ammo I used. The smith has a better trigger (IMO) and I feel it's a bit better for concealment. All that being said the Ruger would be a gun to bet your life on. I just prefer the S&Ws better.
I'd rather be missed by a .44 than hit with a .22
Not me.
Paul Fabrique people who are shot with a .45acp have the courtesy to stay shot.
Paul Fabrique That .22 is a pingpong.
For a non-gun-guy like me, non military, non paramilitary, non law enforcement guy, just a regular civilian interested in self defense, 99% of handling any situation I'd find myself in is analyzing the situation instantaneously, making the proper decision, and accurately getting off the first 2 rounds. That's what I worry about and prepare for. That's why I carry a revolver. Theoretically, I could get in an action movie gunfight where I need 17 rounds. Theoretically, I could also get trapped in a building in an earthquake, but I don't carry a crowbar with me everywhere. There is a limit to what you can prepare for. This obviously doesn't apply to you if you're in the army or a cop or whatever.
Rick Schubert Thanks for commenting. I tell folks select a platform and train with it. Revolver or semi, both will do the job for personal protection and self defense.
Paul Kersey
Are you really an asshole or do you just play one on the internet?
Well said. My thoughts also
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you sir! I appreciate you watching and commenting
Great idea, I will buy a few and see how they do. Thanks for the suggestion!
No bullshit, to the point. Great video.
Thank you sir, I hope you watch some of the other vids on the channel and share the channel with friends.
Thank you sir! Please share the channel with your friends.
Good choice... Thanks for watching and commenting.
Excellent Video!! Very comprehensive outlay of information. I would support the opinion that for most inexperienced shooters, the revolver would generally be the better choice of handgun. Less complex and fewer things can go wrong -- when compared to a semi-automatic.
I love snubbies and your videos.
An excellent choice...the LCRs and well made and a solid performer for a smaller carry revolver. Thanks for your comment.
Right! The new york reload as they say. Thanks again for watching.
Very good video. I personally prefer small revolvers for their reliability. I currently carry a S&W 642PC which I bought for the extra trigger work. It is very smooth and is also cut for moon clips which gets around the speed loader issue a bit. To me, the PC version was worth the extra $45 for those features.
rwhb1188
In my career, I used a 5 shot .38 Spl, S&W Model 60 in a shoot out with an armed robber. I was working as a decoy at the time, the shooting occurred toe to toe and all five rounds were contact wounds. All five were to the upper chest ares on the suspects left side. I couldn't get a round up under his chin for a head shot as he had my wrist as I also had his with his gun. We went to the ground and rolled around for an eternity until back up detectives got to me. The suspect died on his way to the hospital. Don't expect 5, .38 shots to do the job! My backup is a Kahr PM 9, 7 shots and an extra mag in my pocket.
Wow, thank god you survived this encounter. Your perspective is much appreciated.
A sheriff I used to know once emptied both his 1911 and a .32 auto in a suspect and he didn't go down until one of his deputies got a bead on him with a shotgun. The old saying "handguns suck" has some validity. It is amazing how much damage the human body can sustain and still function, and yet a .22 short in the wrong place could be the end.
Guns and Gear & On Target Training, LLC great video . kept reallly simple for beginners and good descriptions of differences of revolver and semi auto
Ron H - you had contact shots, how would that Kahr have made out? What are the chances the semi *wouldn't* have jammed?
Do you recall how the recoil felt to your hand? Any thoughts to 357 instead?
Good video. I own a Smith and Wesson 642 as well as a 9mm shield. Both guns are reliable, and conceal well. Whether an airlite revolver, or a compact 9, range time is an absolute necessity. Neither the 9mm or the 38 special have that "punishing effect" like say, a 500 magnum, but when fired from smaller frame guns, they take a bit of getting used to. If I gave a new shooter some 38 rounds to shoot out my 686, they'd probably have no recoil issues whatsoever. That gun just eats up the recoil when chambered with 38 rounds. Give that shooter an airlite revolver with the same 38 rounds, and it may be quite a different story as far as recoil. Same with the compact 9. Full size pistols are quite a bit easier to manage than their compact brethren. Took me a few magazines to get used to the snappiness of the shield, as I was used to shooting the full size model. Regardless of what you carry, there's no substitute for time at the range...
AngelsLastVengeance I couldn't agree more. Too many people select and carry small, light weight handguns. However they do not practice with them enough to manage the recoil and deliver combat effective hits. Every gun is a compromise in some way, shape or form. Full size guns are easier to shoot, smaller guns make concealed carry easier. Thanks for commenting!
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I love revolvers, and carry my 442 often, but I also carry my glock 36...they both are easy to conceal and I can shoot both of them accurately.
Very good review. Thanks for sharing.Two great options. I've had a PM 9 for nearly 20 years and it's been stellar! Accurate, reliable, light and very easy to conceal! I also have a S&W 360 PD and it's also a great choice. The S&W weighs 4-5 ounces less than the Kahr PM9. Now I carry a Hk P2000sk LEM as my primary piece and the PM 9 or S&W 360 PD as a back up.
20 years with same gun wow 🤩! Enjoy
Training is critical! Thanks for watching...
I want a S&W .38 Special revolver. A) Because I trust revolvers more than semi-autos for ccw, and B) if it is ever seized for investigation, it's cheap! And easily replaceable.
The thing about ammunition capacity is that more is better. While there are cases where gunfights can drag and more than 10 shots are needed, your typical defensive firearm use will last less than 3 seconds, and when shots are fired, the average number of shots is 6. The key here is 'average' if you can get a compact gun with 12 rounds of 9mm or .40 S&W, you should be fine. .38 spl with proper loads can be fairly good, too, but with only 5 rounds that would be of concern. I know that .357 magnum is more powerful, but out of a 2 inch barrel it's far less impressive.
Still, the S&W 642 and other revolvers of the kind, I find the lack of any sharp edges just perfect for deep concealment. They have nothing that any clothing can snag onto.
I have been carrying a revolver since 1981 (except in the army where I carried a 45). Over the years, I have seen more and more people act like they are going to war. If it continues like this, shortly you will see guys carrying two 45s, 15 extra mags for each, a hand grenade in each pocket and drive to work in an M1 tank.
I have many guns of all types and I always go back to my Ruger LCR .38 for all day every day carry. I also carry a back up speed strip with 6 rds. I use Speer Gold 135gr +p. Ive never seen a CCW shooting where a reload was required. Now if I was a cop Glock 19 with 5 spare mags without a doubt. But for civilian .38 will get me out of any jam.
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The only downside I find with the 642 Airweight is the quarter mile long double action trigger pull.
Semi or revolver is simply a personal preference. Both will do the job.
Cant decision on what gun to legally carry should be based on a few considerations. 1) Are you comfortable with the feel and operation of the gin to get hits on target....Can you deploy the gun safely and quickly? 2) Is it enough gun to stop the threat (.38 or 9mm) are minimum? 3) Clothing and concealment? You might carry different guns depending on where you are and what clothes you're wearing.
In general a long gun is a better defensive tool. However, it hard to carry a carbine!
I agree and I too prefer a semi auto. Shoot it better and it works for me. However, too many folks don't train enough to run a semi effectively... especially with malfucntion. The revolver can be a good alternative and should be considered as an option. Thanks for watching...
Glock 26 10 rounds and the 2nd mag can hold 10-15-17-33 lotta fire power in a small package & with a 3.5" barrel it's a good shooter.
My choice. 38 Special +P , no need to pick up your brass, with your big fat thumb print on it. Leave no evidence behind wear your mask.
👍😷 plausible deniabilty...
Thanks for commenting. I assume you are being somewhat sarcastic.
There was a case several years ago in Massachusetts we’re someone used their firearm for self-defense. It would’ve been justified except for the fact that this particular gentleman followed your advice and picked up his brass and left the scene.
yes...Train, Train and Train more... simulate stress. Use a shot timer, and move, move move. get a training buddy and simulate malfunctions with dummy rounds, use multiple targets and call target sequences on and on... get out of the training scar of fixed range mind set. Attend at least one high end training class every year.
Many times guys with big hand are more effective with full size guns. If you like the Ruger and it feels good to you... then you'll be well served with it. Hope this helps. Let me know if I can assist further. And please share the channel with other who would be interested. Thanks and happy holidays!
Dave, whatever works for her and whatever she feels good about is a good choice. Revolvers are an excellent self defense choice for many people. As with any gun, practice, practice and practice until you can shoot, reload and move without consiience thought.
I felt like I was watching breaking bad
That was my question - difference in recoil? I'm taking my CCW next week and I have both, but have not fired either yet.
I hear you. In the perfect world we carry long guns in a .308 or such. Handguns are fairly ineffective tools... However, better to have something with you when the poop hits than fan is better than nothing at all. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I agree with you there. I too shoot the MP and Kahr weekly. I have over 20,000 now thru the MP Pro and 10K thru the Standard MP. I also carry the PM9 more than any other gun I've owned. The main reaosn for the video topic was to allow folks to consider the pros and cons of semiautos and revolvers. I encourage folks to carry the gun they practice with (can hit with) and can run under stress. The two pistols you mentioned are the two I use most... Great minds think alike!
I have carried a revolver since 1969. . It is better when potential criminals run away and in my case it has happened. I was in the fancy car business and wore a belly bag w/a 357 4" barrel. So in a car or getting in or out that makes the weapon available and a revolver is good with one hand. Im trying to down size and lean towards the airweight 38. Thanks for the video and knowing the important thing, getting shots on target and i will add first.
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I my self found the charter arms south paw and never looked back. I have carried a .38 revolver for 30 years for personal protection. Speed loaders, or speed strips either way. I have no need for anything else in day to day carry.
Revolvers are an absolutely solid and reliable tool. Glad to hear their working for you.
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Whatever works reliably and allows you to get hits on target is a solid gun. I am not hung up on brands rather I use what works. I tell my students the same thing.
Great video that's realistic and unbiased. So many people rule out revolvers but they have advantages for certain people, as do semi-autos for others. Thanks!
How common are .38 special revolvers, that have have an external safety? I love revolvers, but the idea of having now safety makes me very uneasy.
Khoros Mythos Safety is not necessary with a long trigger pull.
When was the last time anyone in a real life self defence situation actually had to reload (not counting police)? I've never heard of a single civilian ever having to reload, any examppes?
I'm with you on that one. I feel the same about people who complain that their ccw holster takes 2 hands to reholster. If I've drawn my weapon, putting it back I. Th holster is the least of my concerns at that point. I did recently read that there are more incidents happening with multiple armed assailants, so this does maybe sway me from my .38 to my Glock 19 simply for capacity. If this is a valid concern or not I don't know.
I find the 38 air weight very difficult to shoot ,glock 26 works well for me.
I get that question all the time... No worries. It's a birth defect... But I manage fine. Thanks for watching!
I have a glock 26 and a Taurus model 405 chambered in .40 and do love the Taurus for shooting, with a 2 inch snubby barrel. The Taurus is awesome very accurate to 80 yards. I have concealed both. Carry what works best for you.
Brian C that’s awesome. I have a Taurus 856 and love it
Thanks for the mature perspective. Its nice to hear a well grounded. Perspective. I will for other vids.
Wheel guns aren't fail proof either as we all know--however my hope is to never be forced into using a gun anyway
"Shoot the threat until the threat goes down", Don't you mean shoot the human mugger until the human mugger goes down? Guns are great, but let's not pretend that they're not designed to end human lives.
Adam Rechnitzer I agree to a point. Animals are also a threat. I've been attacked by dogs and wished I would have had a weapon ton defend myself.
I disagree that all guns are designed for the purpose of killing another human.i see it possibly and hopefully first as a major deterrent first you draw and that other human has a choice to make I don’t see it as I carry my gun to kill another human but rather to prevent another human from killing me or my family but having said that I get your point.i can’t stand to see or hear someone that has guns say.....I shoot first and ask questions later.well you’d better be asking yourself a lot of questions before you shoot at any potential threats.
if i am depending on a CCW firearm to save my life in a split second scenario...i'm going with a revolver loaded w/ hollow point 38 special + p . ruger makes excellent LCRs chambered for this round. sure, i love my 3 9mm semi-autos. they are excellent firearms. however, there is more that can go wrong with a semi-auto and i don't want to be dealing with that in a life or death situation.
i have never had a firing issue with my revolvers. ever
I prefer my glock
I too prefer semi-auto striker fired guns.
I'm waiting for my permit to come in. I just finish security guard training. I used the 9mm. Now I want to try the other guns. Any suggestions?
Those Buffalo Bore 158 Gr. LSWCJHP +P. Rounds Push 1,002 FPS out of my SW Bodyguard .38 Spl 1.875" Barrel.
What i carry in my Kimber k6s.
Thanks for your insights.
quick reloaders for revolvers are bulky period :D
I like how all these people are making shots with their pistols at 50-100 yards. If you shoot someone at this distance you are going to have a hell of a time explaining to the cops how your life was in danger. The odds of you ever needing to make a shot like this as a civilian are slim to none. A justified shooting is more likely to occur at less than 5 ft, and it would be against someone that already has a weapon in hand and pointed in your direction. THATS WHERE A SNUBBYS ADVANTAGE is. With a snubby in your pocket you already have your hand on it and pointed at the guys torso because that that guy just gave you the creeps when he walked into the store. When you first got sight of the punks weapon the trigger was already pulled.
1. You can not fire a semiauto from your pocket, it will jam.
2. If you pull the gun out and you were wrong about the creeper, guess what you just committed a felony by brandishing a gun. Bye bye CCW permit.
3. Ooops, I managed to get the semiauto from my holster in time but:
a. the safety was on
b. I forgot to rack a round into the chamber.
c. In the heat of the moment I accidentally hit the magazine release.
d. The gun jammed after the first shot.
+John Galt Thanks for commenting. I am not sure what you mean by all these people making shots at 50 yards. we teach our students at typical distance from 3 - 7 yards. You have noted many of the benefits of revolvers. For me the most important issue for the user of the firearm is being able to effectively use whatever tool they select (revolver / semi pistol). Thanks again for commenting and watching.
Damn smart comment. Hats off to you sir. Never thought of firing from inside the pocket...also made me think of the liability from drawing but not firing. Ive owned a few old crappy guns but never had a training class. As a novice gun owner, I realize there is too much I don't know so because of your comment, I'm signing up for a concealed carry permit and safety course. I'm going to have a cold one in your honor 🍻. Thank you
Love my 642. I can't fire small semiautos very well. The 642 is about as small as my big mitts can work well.
I feel that if you are going to have to reload then you are probably involved in a protracted gun fight.
I’m not an expert in handgun self defense but I do know that if I need to engage it is going to happen real fast and within very close proximity to the adversary.
For myself a revolver like a S&W Airlite or a Ruger LCR .38 makes sense. Do not need sights. I learned instinct shooting...point and shoot... techniques many years ago. The object is to neutralize and end the threat as quickly as possible.
In any event I believe the best gun and caliber to carry is the one you can comfortably control with accuracy.
Also keep in mind that you will be in a real life situation and not at a range. You will not have hearing protection at the moment of decision and you should be aware that the deafening report of gunfire is distracting and will possibly be counter productive in your endeavors.
Good luck to all and I hope no one ever has to face a scumbag intent on harming you or your loved ones.
yep. people watch too many movies. if you can't reach out and touch the person you probably shouldn't be firing your gun. if you can't easily unload all 5 of your .38 rounds into the person then you probably shouldn't be firing your gun. in real life self-defense situations you and your attacker are in close proximity. 5 .38 rounds is plenty.
well done, we are looking forward each time you post a review.
Cheers from the Netherlands.
38 is best out of all
One major advantage of a revolver over auto loaders is its ability to shoot any bullet shape reliably. A 148 gr wadcutter at 900+ fps from a 2" barrel will penetrate about 14" of ballistic gelatin and blow a permanent 3/4" tunnel thru animal tissue, with high blood flow from entrance & exit, outperfoming most JHP's in 9mm, 45ACP & 40 S&W. Many JHP's will not penetrate a 10" gelatin block. Lack of penetration & low blood flow will not stop an assailant.
Great video thank you 🙏🏻 Owning just about every style hand gun and caliper under the sun - love them all. The 1 in a million chance no doubt one of my revolvers would save the day (357 carry) and in the home my trusty Chiappa 60ds 👍 No doubt either would ever be used to point at anyone.
Good video, good information to consider, thanks. For now its J Frame revolvers for my EDC.
I use revolvers and semi-automatic handguns. I shoot 380, 38 special, 9mm, and 357 magnum. Love them all.
Since the statistics say most gunfights happen in border line hand to hand distance I think the revolver is best because it can't be out out of battery by being grabbed or hit
if someone grabbed your revolver it would stop the cylinder from rotating and would not allow the gun to function. you would not even get off the first round unless you already had the hammer pulled back for a single action shot.
in a semiauto is someone grabbed the slide you would still get off the first shot unless they were pushing back at you while holding the slide. in reality if someone is grabbing your gun they would be pulling not pushing, so you would still get off that crucial first shot. After that you would most likely have a malfunction, but your attacker just absorbed a bullet. Tap, rack, back on target.
I have nothing against revolvers for carry, that said though there is a very valid set if reasons why we generally moved away from revolvers and on to semi autos. One revolvers people seem to think are just boringly reliable. However they are not. After heavy fire and extended use you can run into timing issues. I have also heard of floating primers with revolvers. Now having said that, semi autos TEND to be more reliable.. any gun will eventually malfunction with enough training though and even with a semi auto you must routinely maintain and inspect it. All that said for edc i want a semi auto, easier to carry spare ammo and make reloads faster. Revolvers to me are best suited for hiking, possibly bedside guns, and back up guns. Anyway point being training is fundamental no matter what. Good video.
I carry my SP101 in .357 Magnum. It's also my home defense firearm. I don't trust cheap plastic pistols, weak pistol ammunition, fail to feed issues, stove pipes, magazines, safeties, jams, etc. In one's civilian lifetime, you may only have once chance and one shot to save your life. I don't trust mine to a pistol. I'll take a Ruger, Colt or S&W in .357 Magnum every single time. Heavy caliber revolvers are so much more fun that tinker toy pistols on range day, too.
TOBORE8THMAN Thanks for your perspective. The SP101 is a solid performer. I've owned and occasionally carried the SP101 for 15 years. At the same time, I've had no issues with quality polymer pistols (Glocks, M&Ps, XD series to name a few). I've fired well over 100,000 rounds on Glocks and over 50,000 on M&Ps and they've both been reliable. I would also note that most of the top instructors and many former Tier 1 operators (from DevGru, CAG Delta ect) use polymer framed firearms. So, rather than being brand or caliber specific I suggest that the individual select and train on the platform that is reliable and allows hits on target. It sounds like the SP101 is the one that works for you...
TOBORE8THMAN i would say more than this but thankfully guns and gear was kind enough to do so for me and in a polite manner. my only statement will be glad your sp101 works, as i said i have nothing against revolvers just not my choice as edc weapon.
Check all the police gun fight vids and note the number of malfunctions---99% caused by limp wristing which occurs with violet movements.
G26, S&W 642, a 12 gauge, and a heavy rifle. AR, AK, maybe a .308 if you nasty. That's all a man needs.
your totally right. too many people get caught up in caliber or capacity wars forgetting that reliability and shots on target are what count when your life is on the line. Hard to go wrong with either of the sidearms in your review!
For those talking about the j frame. yes it is horrible for target practice with factory grips because it literally tore open my hand after an hour. I purchased hougue grips and they help out a lot with that issue and only cost me $25. I use my revolver for ccw it was the first gun that fit and felt good in my hand and I made my decision based on that. It is not the easiest to aim so definitely work on target practice.
No dude, the reality is that in a fight or flight situation you're going to be so amped up you're going to miss all your shots, then reload, and when you finally regain your composure, start putting rounds on target. The idea that everyone is somehow going to perform with range accuracy in a real gunfight is lunacy. The magazine capacity and ability to reload quickly, and efficiently is paramount in an actual gunfight.
Reading my post again I didn't quite get my point across. Personally I think a revolver would be enough on balance, sitting here nice and safe as I am. I am on the big side of average I can't imagine carrying a gun all the time with a view to comfort. Don't even carry a phone. But and it is a but if I genuinely felt unsafe and need to be armed well I think for all clever talk about revolvers it would be a semi. I am a real revolver fan and it is more than enough gun. Thanks for replying! :)
Yesterday I commented on the Yankee Marshall's channel that more US self defense "fire fights" seem to involve grandmothers firing a few shots from a .38spl revolver than tacticool dude expending 6 mags worth of 10mm, then firing another 3 mags from his ankle holstered .380, in a fire fight lasting 30 minutes. Sometimes I am glad I don't have the option to carry. I think if I did for all my shouting from the sidelines I would be carrying a large calibre semi and a few mags and not a revolver!