Dry brushing a natural metal finish on aircraft models, is it possible?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- Welcome to the channel and what I think is an interesting experiment in order to see if it is possible to get a decent natural metal finish using Ammo of Mig's metallic dry brush paint. Let's see...
I've re-done the video, fixed the sound but expanded the test with varnish, oil weathering, masking and decal solutions.
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I've re-done the video, fixed the sound but expanded the test with varnish, oil weathering, masking and decal solutions.
m.th-cam.com/video/oH6QBVmDKis/w-d-xo.html
Before products like Testors Metalizer and Alclad came along, we old geezers used a product called Rub-n-Buff. The application process was very similar and we could get different panel variation effects depending upon whether we rubbed it on black, gray, or white paint. It was wax based like the AK stuff now, but it gave a very realistic natural metal finish.
I've done this for years using tamiya acrylic chrome over flat black for panels, etc. Ive never tried it on an entire airframe! Super cool
Thanks Jim. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
GeezJamie, that is a stunning finish, quicker to dry and so much more durable than enamels
Cheers Bill. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Thanks for demonstrating this technique! I will have to share it with my club at a future meeting!
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Goodness Jamie this looking fantastic, thanks for sharing.
Cheers Liam. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Thanks
Thanks Jason, that is very kind of you, much appreciated
A most interesting video. Thankyou.
Thanks Thomas
Some people consider Ammo stuff overpriced. But it is so damn good and is worth every penny.
fact!
Wow Jamie! Can't believe how amazing that looks! Did not expect it to look that good! A lot less hassle than trying to get a decent sprayed finish. Definitely worth trying on a model to get different finishes , wings, fuselage and different panels. Cracking video mate and food for thought. Cheers Jamie, hope you feeling better soon. 👍 👊
Thanks Bobby. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Great demo, Jamie! I've tried the regular Ammo drybrush paints and like them. Haven't tried the metallic drybrush paint yet, but you results have convinced me to get some and give them a try.
They are brilliant Ken. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
They are awesome. Yesterday I drybrushed couple of model parts - some with DIO Light Metal, others with ICM Gun Metal (not a bad paint by itself) - results for former one were way more predictable.
Very interesting test Jamie, I really want to try the Ammo Drybrush paint now.
Have fun!
Thanks a lot !!!😀
Thanks mate
Very useful technique...
Thanks for this, added to my shopping list
Awesome!
Remarkable. This is really something. I just airbrushed my mustang with Vallejo Aluminum thinned multiple coats. It looks awesome but I have to admit, this looks . The friction from the paint brush adds the tiniest bit of variation and seems to make it look very realistic. Also I daresay that if I watched this video 10 times I would learn how to dry brush. I'm a bit anxious about gloss varnishing it. I bought the Vallejo polyurethane gloss as I had been using the Vallejo acrylic gloss which could be a PITA unless I managed the variables perfectly. As a relative novice I'm hearing a lot of opinions out there and maybe I should switch to Tamiya X-22 or the Aqua Gloss or what....I just want to lay down a smooth coat no orange peel etc. Just need to make the weathering and decaling easier, not trying to win the best paint job at the auto show. Thanks for the clinic.;)
Brilliant that’s a revelation. Must get this stuff. The Eduard P-51B will be an ideal subject.
Awesome!
Awesome technique. What is very neat v airbrushing is that on some of the detail there is a bit of shadow effect from the primer where the drybrush hasn't quite got in there.
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Any tip to achieve a decent NMF is brilliant.
Great job👍
Cheers Pete. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Wish I’d seen this for the undersides of my BOAC Whitley, a definite for the 1/72 Vampire T11. Much appreciated!
Awesome, good luck.
Fantastic. Thanks.
Thanks Perry. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
That is a really impressive result.
I bought a jar of ammo ultra glue on your recommendation. It's an excellent acrylic glue ,thanks.
Thanks Stephen, glad you like the Ultra glue. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Well, that's a handy bit of knowledge to have, thanks for the experiment Jamie. Something I have done which worked for me was to use AK's true metals tube (The waxy stuff that takes months to dry) and mix it with proper car strength thinners in a mixing jar. It sprayed on beautifully, dried quickly (and totally!) and looked very, very good as a part-aged ally look, which still buffed to a shine if required (more work than before, but still doable). Only used it once so far, but I need to try it again and do more weathering on it this time.
Thanks, I may have finally found a use for mine.
Hello Archer, what kind of thinner did you use on the AK stuff? White spirit or cellulose thinner? I have got a couple of those paints kicking around and wonder how to improve drying time. Did you also apply them via brush or rather airbrush?
The point of this was to see what effect using water based acrylics would yield, there are better options for a metal finish out there. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
@@JanGeiersbach It was cellulose thinners, from a tool store or similar. IIRC I mixed about a pea sized blob which went quite far coverage wise, sprayed over black gloss undercoar. I have panited the true metals with a brush, but not when mixed with thinners.
@@archer159 thank you very much for the reply! I will give it a try next time around. I really enjoyed Jamie‘s second take on the matter, being even more concise and covering more ground. Good stuff!
Looks great!
Thanks mate
Hi Jamie, my first time commenting on your videos 👍🏻. I’m not sure to the point of dry brushing an entire model over black paint but thats just my opinion. The brushing over the camouflage areas looked really good and as you did mention, other products can give a similar effect. I’m not sure I would be interested in buying the product myself but good results anyway. 😊👍🏻
The black paint makes the metallic effect deeper and as you see, matt works best but it's interesting that it recreates the patina over a traditional metallic paint too.
It certainly shows promise. Would it be possible to do a test strip in Gunze clear as well as the aqua gloss to see if there is any difference in the reflectively between the two different clears. I’m unconvinced there is, but it may be different over this paint .
I think it will work the same as long as it is a thin coat. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
It would be nice to see how it performs over a larger 1/48 model, now that would be a test Sir.
When I've got a suitable model in mind I will for sure mate. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading;oading right now!
Hi Jamie, great video and just watched it with a brew in bed after a night shift 😀
Great idea, and having seen it, tempted to try it on the 1/32 Copper State Models Nieuport XVII Late, which is all silver.
Would also be good to try the worn effects on wing routes etc. but using a much smaller brush.
Thanks for the demo.
Jase 🇬🇧
Cheers Jason, have fun!
I've been using that particular one for over a year now mostly for cockpits and fan blades. I'm gonna give this a shot though probably on a 1/72 airfix p-51d
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Another tool in the Arsenal 👏👏👏
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Would be good to see, how it looks if sealed with varnished over
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Got the dry brushes set when I was buying my kit. I had the big paint brush set already and they were decent quality at a good price so got dio dry brush set too. Looks like I may have to get some paint as well!
The Premium Dio DryBrush set whilst expensive has numbers 2,4,6 & 8 in it. Highly recommended.
I have just ordered the Dio DryBrush Set Metallic Colors which contains
A.MIG-0621 Light Metal
A.MIG-0622 Gun Metal
A.MIG-0623 Brass
A.MIG-0618 Chipping
Just need Aluminium (A.MIG-0628)
Go for it. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
@@thescalemodellingcafe Done!
Hey Jamie, another interesting point would be how the paint handles layers of different kinds of paints on top and how durable the finish will be in the end. I.e. Does it take masking without lifting of subsequent paint layers. Pre-shading aspects have been mentioned in previous comments.
How does it thin and airbrush (although this is not the marketed purpose of the paint) andfcan you tint it?
Thanks for exploring this technique, looking forward to the finished P-51.
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Fantastic looking product and a great demonstration Jamie . I really like the finish that it gives . Normally when I attempt a Natural metal finish I tend to use different shades and finishes of black to break up the panels as Aluminium paint looks different when applied over different base colours. Does this method work with the dry brush paint? I'd like to see what it would look like over a mix of matt black and rubber and nato black . Great video thanks for sharing 👍
Yes Greg, I am also very curious if some sort of pre-shading /panel shading would yield variations in the metal finish.👍🏻
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I have some and plan to get the full set of dry brushes before trying them on a tank kit.
Go for it Robert! Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Mmm, food for thought... It gives a really nice effect over the matt black. It would be a great technique for any aircraft that had odd random alloy panels (thinking of the nose cowling on the Do 335), would be a great effect for that, many thanks Jamie :)
It certainly would Andrew. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
I agree it looks great and is is acrylic. Double the pleasure and fun. ✔✔
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Looks like a great technique Jamie. I'll be trying this on an EE Lightning mule (Tamiya's 1:100 kit). The question will be what is the best way to get different finishes on different panels? Perhaps a variety of pre-shade base coats in greys and white as well as black? Might be easier than masking and post shading using different drybrush colours. I'll have a play and report back on your FB page.
I look forward to seeing the results Phil. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
I have a 1/32 CF-104 Starfighter that I WAS doing in the natural metal finish. After a few botched layers I just don't know if it can be saved, but I may try this...
Nothing to lose!
Never thought of using these paints this way mate. I can see how that technique is ideal for doing derelict aircraft. It has that used look to it. 👍
Cheers James. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
That's interesting.......in fact, that's very interesting! 👍🏻
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nice, weathered metal effect
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Interesting approach, if airbrushing isn't an option. I guess I'll try that technique on a P-47 egg plane. Just have to get hold of that Ammo drybrush paint.
Most Ammo stockists will have some. Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Wargaming community have been using this drybrushing technique for more than 40 years using acrylics, as long as you use matt black. Personally I have used it for 20 years
Cool, I'm sure many people have but this paint is specifically formulated for dry brushing so I thought it would be interesting to see how it would work on a natural metal aeroplane's airframe.
The results are nice, but nothing like mirror effect. Just a regular dull-ish color. But I can see an advantage here - all the details are picked up already, so there is no need for wash. I have some Vallejo metalics, I wonder how they gonna behave
Aluminium weathers to a duller, greyer finish so I think it replicates wartime service aeroplanes very well.
I've ordered mine😊
Awesome!
Greetings from Canada. Thanks for posting. Is this finish buffable, before it fully dries?
It does seem to buff up a bit as you're applying it
Even the edges look very convincing, as if the paint had worn off...!
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Try it with Ak interactive True Metal colors. You will obtain better results.I have tried It.
I will never, ever use AK. But that's not water based acrylic, and you will get much better results from Ammo A-Stand or GSI Creos/Tamiya lacquers, the whole point of this exercise was to test water based acrylics.
Interesting technique and looks effective. Does it at any point in the process look like chipping? I'm thinking small areas I can chip with a brush but larger areas tend to need hairspray chipping to look realistic. I'm thinking maybe this could be an alternative. It did look to me at certain stages a bit chippy i.e. stop before you get an even coat.
I wouldn't recommend it for chipping, worn paint maybe. Probably best to undercoat the model with this, seal it then use hairspray or masking fluid applied with a sponge.
Jamie, maybe add a pinned comment with a link to the second video?
I tried that myself, but it got deleted as TH-cam apparently can't tell the difference between a link to a scam website and another video on their own website. Soz.
Done, good idea
Very effective, but it’s a shame that with method most of the paint ends up on the tissue! But I will certainly give it a try!
It's not too much, it just looks a lot as it's spread around. The pot is big though, it will last years.
You know someone is throwing the kitchen sink at it when they market dry brush brushes, djeez...
But to business : did you try this trick before without the black coat ?
No, just after. But check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
I have a love hate relationship with these. In at least two pots, on opening I've found a thick pure white fungal growth. The underlying paint is completely unusable. Will I risk buying more, that's something to ponder over.
That's very odd, mine are fine and I had them when they were originally released. Maybe a bad batch? They should replace them for free if you contact them.
@thescalemodellingcafe if I still had evidence of the problem, I would have tried that.
After 6 minutes you sound like Ben Collins (Top Gear Stig) 😂
Shame I can't drive like him! Check out version 2.0 which I'm in the process of uploading right now!
Looks like Humbrol 11 :D
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