Freedom of speech or violence? Faye D'Souza |Sucharita Tyagi| Nikhil Taneja |KV Sridhar|Sanjay Hegde
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2023
- 'Animal', the Sandeep Reddy Vanga directed movie today has audiences and critics divided. While some are shocked by the blatant depiction of toxic masculinity, there is a section that is lapping it up for the same reason. In many ways, the reaction is similar to the filmmaker's earlier movie, 'Arjun Reddy'.
Joining Faye D'Souza are eminent voices who try to decode the phenomenon called 'Animal' which is currently doing good at the Box Office.
Guest List:
Sucharita Tyagi, Film Critic
KV Sridhar, Ad Guru
Sanjay Hegde, Senior Advocate, Supreme Court
Nikhil Taneja, Co-Founder & Chief We Are Yuvaa
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Let me know what you feel about the film 'Animal'
First half is brilliant. Second half is meh. Makes uncomfortable in a few moments but great performances. Must watch at least once.
The movie doesn't bother me because there are all kinds of people in the world and everyone has the right to express themselves. It's the reaction of the audience that bothers me. It's like the men of this country have been suppressed for last few years to behave because women have started speaking up. They're celebrating the misogyny and toxicity of the filmmaker.
Admio ki barbie hain wo
Film was great, You guys are Cheap....!!!
This is the best comment Bro@@joeljulias6989
The last credit scene of the Animal movie is especially made for you 😂
This was a debate on the film 'Animal'. Besides Sucharita, did any of the members of this panel, including Fay watch this film? Nikhil said he hasn't. If the others haven't too, how can you debate on the merits and the demerits of the film without watching it ?!?
What a joke. Didn’t watch a movie but I will discuss this
So Mirzapur and other webseries fans found Animal movie offensive 😂
From pads, pubic hair, urine, water breaking, everything was in animal it was quite informative…mirzapur and others were atleat entertaining
Their is mysogyny their is sexism their is toxicity in the film. So enough with your bullshit comment here
@@ssryr6427you didn't find four more shots offensive
For godsake it "A" Certificate movie ,.. not a PG movie . matter ends.
Watched Animal movie twice for its cinematic excellence. I could watch the third time.. If you compare Animal with Gangs of Wasseypur(GOW), i would rate GOW more violent, graphic, more real.. Where as Animal movie was more cinematic, dramatic and euphoric.
Paid PR 😂😂
@@castafioreomgkeep crying 😂😂😂😂
Bro it's literally not half as good as GoW. The script and story were weak with so much pointless brainless bs. Only the cinematography saved it somewhat. But critically it falls short, come on be honest to yourself
@@sanj5236 I watched 4 times. I too am saying it was brilliant. ranbir gave one of his career best and sandeep didnt let my eye go away for 3 and a half hours with his screenplay. If people are not honest with themselves, it would not be ranbir career highest grosser
Going for my 4th show today
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Sucharita has made a career out of Vanga's movies. Her shot to fame was Kabir Singh.
Exactly
People in the panel should have watched the movie
Nhi yaar ham to animal dekh ke har aurat ke sath aisa karne wale hai aur Violence karne wale hai bhai
Satyajit Ray once quoted "We have a fairly backward audience here, in spite of the film society movement and all that, if you consider the audience at large, it is a backward audience.”
Man was way ahead of his time.
he was not really ahead of his time.. we/indians jus dont transform that quickly
In your opinion, what movies should the Indian audience appreciate to be considered forward ? The same audience appreciated Dangal, Kantara, DDLJ and more. Stop complaining if the audience disagrees with your esteemed opinion
There’s a difference between storytelling and glorification. Thin line. All the difference
@@nonfungibletracks6199 Hollywood is most versatile industry because they make great commercial movies and great artistic movies
@@vishalahuja2136 what kind of cinema you want mad max or Forrest Gump
I genuinely think the noise around Animal and its criticism has only elevated its popularity. At the end of the day - bad publicity is always publicity. We should stop ralking about the movies. Go and come back and move on.
Yes cinema is influential but its influential when we talk about it everyday. Leys just not.
Also the panel is of no point if only one of them has watched the movie. Whats the point?
If you are sitting in the debate you should all watch the movie. 😊
They have all watched it except nikhil Taneja
@@raokritika nope. Only Sucharita has watched it.
How can this guy Nikhil talk about movie without watching it
One of my cousins is in class 12 and he thinks that a woman should only be in kitchen making foods for his family and taking care of the children. How can a woman have the AUDACITY to come out of the house and participate in all kinds of works that can only be done by men, he wonders. And pretty often he says these kinds of things very loudly. It is even more disturbing when he says these kinds of things in presence of all the elders in his family including his mother and no one says a word to him. And I know for a fact that he has a very close and bonded peer group where everyone not just think this way but strongly believe this.
No wonder a film like Kabir Singh or Animal becomes blockbuster.
People relish the glorification of misogyny on screen and cringe at the mention of feminism. In fact people actually enjoys the way Vanga treats his female characters and he knows this very well.
BTW - Kabir Singh - the Woman is a doctor. She leaves Kabir for his ways & goes on to be on her own. Only forgives him when he comes back begging to her. I hope your cousin learns from this also
@@kusups his cousin are 17 year old kid
In ANIMAL he urges his sister to take over business, all this left's nonsense can be thrown out of window.
Feminism is Cringe... Indeed
Problem with your cousin
Film critics were supposed to tell how is the movie whether its good or bad, film critics are never supposed to tell how a person should make movie...and yes why not all film critics should start making movies , let see how creative they are when it comes to work
Ye sale log 5 minutes ki video nhi bna skte 😂😂😂 aa jate h Gyan Dene .. waise v inlogo se ghanta fark nhi pdta h 😂😂😂
Film critics are inherently critics. They can criticize any aspect of a film. If they were to make films they wouldn't be critics they would be Filmmakers. Also, they're an audience member and as a woman in THIS country these are valid and relevant topics. If it can be used in social discourse that films are blamed for corruption of society then they can be used here too.
Country of stupid youth
Aren't u telling critics what to say and what not to. If u and sandeep can express 'art/opinion' through their medium so as the critics.🤷♂️
@@gyansahu2894 stop promoting censorship
Its a movie named: Animal. Its a flawed character. film maker should have a liberty to create his movie with his own perspective. if any human being is cheering in the theatre on any wrong scene, that's not director's fault or responsibility... period!!!
Nikhil You dint see the movie but you are saying that cool music is playing when objectionable scenes are coming...
Bunch of self proclaimed experts who never worked in a film are talking how a Director should make a movie...
You all guys really deserve The Last 10 secs scene....
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How is this a debate if there is no one who has watched the film supporting the film? Who is Pro movie in this?
Yeah I thought the same debate is between a pro and an anti- here half of them haven't even watched the movie.
No one has written debate in the youtube video title
@@lakshmih3353its written in big letters on the thumbnail of this video 😂.
It is ok to show toxic and misogynistic characters in movie , but why justify and make them cool. such character do exist but they should not be glorified. It gives validation to lots of real life misogynistic people.
Spot on
"why make them cool" - It's a brainless entertainer. Literally that simple.
I am really curious to know how and where it is glorified? For every decision and action he does he get bashed from every other actors ( example the machine gn scene after that his fathers calls him a criminal and slaps him and punish him )and his wife leaves him and she choose to divorce him , he didn’t get his father love and cries at last he had nothing to feel happy so where it is glorified ?
Every action has a reaction. Nothing is glorified regarding his misogyny. The glorification was regarding a man obsessed with protecting his family and he faced consequences. He got a heart condition and lost his hearing and his wife decides to leave him. Only the character had misogynistic tendencies but that’s not what was glorified. In fact people of that thinking exist and it makes the character grey. If he was all good protecting his family, then that would be weak layering for a film.
@@cmjproductions1986because it's commercial bollywood masala
In this interview they talked about JOKER, but I see Jokers in one frame.
Why should films be morally responsible?
Are politicians held responsible? Are movie critics held responsible?
Why is it everytime the burden of being politically correct only on film makers and not on other parts of society?
That only when a movie is misogynist but when its supposedly progressive or feminist type then its helmed by these so called critics. Its a movie for god sake.
And who comes to a discussion without watching the film
Sandeep Vanga is targetted but no one talking about Ranbir's choice of script as a actor. Very Selective, Shahid was also targetted during Kabir Singh. Media ignoring RK
Yes I also said same
Yes thankyou for pointing that out.
Yup, this!
Rk ko triger kare tho Ada 75 persent industry support rk then beda garg hoga inka inko patahai
Poor Shahid, got fu***d for playing a character of Kabir Singh who is Saint in front of animal ..😢 feeling seriously bad for him
Legally I don’t think there’s no problem. If you are an adult you can decide what you want to watch. Cutting the movie etc should not be there.
I do think the filmmakers have a responsibility to the audience especially in a country like ours which is still very misogynistic and we learn about romantic love from movies.
Sucharita ki baat that women hardly have a platform to express any dissent and the little space we have is also violently attacked by trolls dil ko lag gayi 😢
Twitter doesnt care about gender. Anyone can scream on it.
Evereyone has Opinion. If bigotic Sucharitha can express. Anyone whose more educated than her also can express.
paid reviewer champris dont matter and there aukaat should be known to them aswell.
2 weekends after the movie release there is still this kind of debate going on a film.. all credits to director for his vision
Sandeep gave sucharitha her big break!! her epitaph says "hated vanga passionately!"
One of worst debate I have ever come across🤦♂️
I wish you guys would have discussed more about the obsolete laws of censorship and how much the law is enforcing for A certificate. Is there any process to prevent less than 18 years to go to theatres. How does one handle the availability of the same product in bigger length on OTT
This did not feel like a debate. It was a biased discussion. A debate covers both sides of the argument.
Not sure how Misogynistic topics were not discussed when the K serials were in full form .
People were not woke at that time. And there is nothing wrong with them being woke and aware right now.
Endorsement is REAL
Movie is REEL
There is a huge difference! A super star endorsing tobacco for instance is for sure going to have an impact and yes, our stars need to be responsible.
A super star playing a dark character has no impact because it’s fiction. He is just playing a character. If anyone picks a gun after watching animal would have picked up a gun at some point any way because that’s who they are. A Ranbir kapoor isn’t doing this film to promote any violence.
Thank you for this comment. Please spread it. I find this argument so stupid, how can you blame someone’s behavior on a 3 hour movie? 😂😂
Just because they are seniors with experiences over one particular thing doesn't mean they have a complex understanding of it and it shows.
Movies, being works of fiction, inherently depict unreal scenarios. If individuals can be swayed by such fictional content, their susceptibility extends to various influences. Despite the presence of movies with positive messages, discussions are often fleeting. This holds true for negative films as well. Critiques on movies may seem futile; engaging in debates on every aspect reflects a misplaced intellectual focus. Movies should be embraced as a form of entertainment, and any toxicity experienced while watching them likely originates from pre-existing attitudes rather than the content itself.
How did it get past the censor board is my question.Normally such material is shown on OTT. Ex, Sacred Games, etc.
I don't see what there is to debate here, at least on the free speech front. As Mr. Hedge correctly mentioned in his opening remarks: freedom of speech protects even the thoughts we hate. So this film clearly is not unlawful in any way. All the other panelists were also largely in agreement with this. Hell, the film has even been cleared by the ultra-conservative CBFC. So what exactly is being "debated"? There weren't any contrarian viewpoints.
Should we stop filmmakers from making films with socially unpalatable or morally dubious messages? That would be problematic since it would amount to censorship (or even worse, pre-censorship) of creative expression.
The ultimate solution has to come from the audience itself. If they reject this brand of cinema, then filmmakers will automatically lose the economic incentive in showcasing it. But if people keep rushing to theaters in droves to watch these movies, nothing can prevent their creation or public exhibition, regardless of how vile some segments may find them to be. Such is the commerce of the movie business.
Stop giving a movie too much credit. Most people who enjoyed this movie, came out of the theater and went on with their lives. It's another brainless entertainer, not new in Indian cinema, the only difference being rather than being cringe and vanilla, this one is dark and gory.
People with basic senses will not think that Ranbir's character in animal was a HERO. The director literally made the character a lunatic unlikable mass-murderer who destroyed himself for his father's affection, and FAILED this one objective of his life.
If you didn't start snorting cocaine off hoo*kers after watching Wolf of Wall Street, you'll not shoot an AK-47 in a college after watching Animal. Animal is a fluffy mediocre entertaining popcorn fluff and attention like this makes it more important than it deserves to be.
I just came after watching the movie. Some things were shown just to titillate the audience i feel, shock them perhaps. But overall the movie was quite enjoyable. Some 15 mins chopping could have been done. But it was about a guy who ACTS like an animal and constantly talks about how it is in the animal world about kill or be killed. His motives were clear. His actions were honourable in his head. Was it a cinema masterpiece? No. Was it captivating. Yes. And thats all the audience wants. You guys are not critics. You are JUDGING the movie from ur own lens. You should judge by character’s view point. And thats where u failed. But ofcourse views bi to lene h by showing you are holier than thou. Its okay, you also have a place in this animal kingdom. Betas become poets and critics, alphas make their movies 😂
Art should be uncomfortable. It should shake and make you question your worldview. BUT, here is no art. This is just a man creating noise and craving for attention.
They said the same when scar face released 😅
it sucks tht u didnt bring on an alpha-male endorsing critic who loved this film...sucharitha and nikhil are feminist types who babble feminist talking points all the time...which is boring as hell
I feel that there's a fundamental difference in my view of the role of a movie critic and how they themselves see it. In my opinion the role of a movie critic is to provide just enough information and guidance about the movie so that the audience can decide whether they want to watch it or not. It should include their own opinion about the movie and it's fine to call this movie terrible or great or average as long as they also make it clear that there are things that others may enjoy watching even though it's not their cup of tea. Critics deciding that no one should watch a movie not because it was not entertaining but because of moral issues or a desire to protect adults from getting completely corrupted by the glorification of a protagonist who behaves like an animal seems laughable and deeply problematic to me. Any adult should know that the things that are said and done in the movie are not normal and not things to emulate in real life. If they don't then there are many people you can blame - parenting, society, social media, etc. but not the movie itself. It's not like there aren't characters in the movie who don't call out his behavior and his actions because they're not normal in a civilized society. So, my question to these critics is - who are the adults that you're trying to protect? Do you think just because the movie was watched by a lot of people, we should expect a rise in toxic masculinity and misogynistic behavior? My simple advice to you is that if you think your role as a movie critic is simply to share your personal opinion about the movie, you can do that as an individual like me and leave a long comment in the audience review. A critics role is more than that and involves developing an understanding of what will work and provide entertainment to a wider audience. I say this not as someone who thought that Animal was a flawless movie that doesn't deserve any criticism but as someone who recognizes that it was an effort to push the boundaries of what the Indian audience can take and some of it landed and some of it didn't. It could have been a much better movie without some random scenes and dialogues that only exist to trigger or shock people and don't add to the story. That doesn't mean that these movies should not be made. As long there's an audience for it, people should make the movies they intend to make. There's no point in making movies that are not watched by anyone, even if they tick all the right boxes for the critics.
If a movie cannot influence an adult into doing bad things, why would you think these adults are so fragile enough to get swayed a youtube/film critic? And the numbers do prove that the reviewers do not affect the box office. It's a fact that many critically acclaimed movies fail at the box office. So what's the problem if they speak their mind?
They can and should speak their mind. They will be rated on whether their assessment of the movie matches the audiences. Otherwise, what is the criteria for a good vs bad critic? If a movie critic doesn’t understand the pulse of the audience, why are they critics? They should comment like a random person like me. A good critic understands whether a movie will work with the audience or not, irrespective of whether they personally like the movie or not. The reason I’m not a critic is not because I cannot express my opinion on a movie, it’s because I can’t force myself to watch the vast majority of Bollywood movies.
There is no rulebook on how to be a critic....no one is being paid to watch a review unlike a movie. Are you saying the critics should praise a movie because they know it will be a hit with the masses? They should predict how the audience are going to feel about the movie and give their review accordingly?
Yes. That’s what good critics do. They understand the audience and how they’ll respond to a film. It’s a profession. These are paid jobs and people are paid to get it right. I don’t care about what a random YT-er has to say because they are not getting paid for their expertise. Every white collar profession has performance reviews. Professional critics should also be held to standards, just like actors and directors are.
Also, they don’t need to say that they liked a movie that they hated. Good critics should say that they did not like the movie but they think the masses will like it. They don’t need to compromise on their personal integrity but professional critics absolutely need to understand the taste of the wider audience.
I 💯 agree with your opinion
Public has been desensitized to a lot of things by movies from a long time. Murders in name of revenge in almost all revenge dramas are justified but then these people never set up a panel to discuss, because we are desensitized, that is as bad if not worse. Then there is logical fallacy as well, either you have freedom of speech of you should be morally policed for what you want to say, but the panelists here are not pointing to issues with the film but wants the director to be apologetic.
Technical Aspect🖌️: Anyone who has even the basic understanding of cinema understands that there is something called ‘grammar’ Of filmmaking and portrayal. Animal has a grammar of presenting the darkness and dark traits of the protagonist in a very cool and stylish way. It’s not like these kind of dark characters have never been explored in cinema, there are thousands of such characters.BUT. The thing is, when you are portraying such characters, you should not use a heroic tonality. Also, the female characters that he has designed are purely figments of male fantasy. Mute, completely agreeable and complicit women who worship those men. Vanga has always been quite clear about his mentality about women and ‘masculinity’(watch the press conferences) and women. There are lot of scenes which have been added just to trigger the people who criticised his previous movie including vile gestures in the beginning and post credits(peak teenage behaviour). Intent of this movie is to not portray a dark character, but to present him in a very heroic light, that will have a glorification impact on the audience. Young girls and boys are going to watch this movie and see those characters in a romanticised way. Vanga is entitled to make all kind of dark cinema that he wants, but portraying that in a heroic grammar is actually very dangerous for the people who are consuming that content. It will alter the sensibilities of young people. Boys in high school and colleges started behaving like Kabir Singh after that movie and now this🤦♀️
So correctly put
THIS🔥
So what you've said technically is that the movie sucks, and I couldn't agree more
Beautifully stated brother
@@uskumarmate Sister*
The anger is just not about how can such film be made but also about how it is perceived. It seems to be applauded by people and that is a bigger concern.
but that's how it is. Not just india, look at the cinema that is considered the best of all time, most of them are gangster films. Take Godfather which is considered to be one of the best, if not the best movie of all time, or else take the best series of all time "Breaking Bad". whether you like it or not, most people want to see them.
Absolutely treatment is bad people are laughing on bad scenes
Sucharita is mistaken often She says actors endorse their characters That's rubbish
She seems to be a low iq woke. Now she will pull out the women card 😂
Only Sanjay Hegde makes sense in the discussion, rest are confused and just want to protest somehow because they can't digest masculine view to anything.
Btw Animal is a fantastic watch with superb acting, music and screenplay. Kudos to Venga.
Agreed. Others are just squirming.
I don't like the brand of films of the Kabir Singh and Animal kinds andvthe fact that such films sell says a lot about our society and the kind of men who are complicit in rape culture.
However, it's very tricky to say that the actor is endorsing the film's message. Ranbir Kapoor, although not my favourite, is not such a person in real life. I am sure he does not endorse putting down a woman- he wouldn't be married to Alia if he was that kind of a guy.
Then there cam be no villians, oddballs in films. The fact that I don't like men of this kind doesn't mean a film can't be made. I only have a problem with the way the filmmaker challenged on how violent a film he could make. It's quite a low level thinking compared to Terentino's films.
Four more shots is the kind of content celebrated by the very same critics
Sucharita trying so much to being down the movie😂😂😂
Animal movie collection is a reply for critics like her...
Sucharitha you were mentioning about some movie on Netflix with some reference of citizen cane. Can u tell me here which one was that please
Sanjay Hegde sir literally summed it up. And i cannot stand sucharita's double standards.
These people are talking only about certain scenes that are misogynistic. They need to note that in real world nothing (or no person) is black or white. Every thing in the world is grey. There are few problematic scenes and few good scenes where he talks highly about women. That shows that he is after all a human (probably more black than white shades in his character).
For bringing gun to school -> He gets slapped by his father and kicked out from his own house (No one is talking about this in this interview)
He says that a woman having big pelvis delivers many babies -> These people changed the narrative. He did NOT say that he will marry her because of her pelvis.
Ok, even if you think the above dialogue is misogynistic, then there are other ones where he supports his wife and family(sister). He pushes his sister to be strong and be part of their business. Again Sucharita/Faye safely ignore these dialogues and ONLY focus on few dialogues of their choice.
When he is cheating on his wife, he does not glorify it or keep it a secret. He opens himself and gets a whacking from his wife. (Again no one is talking about this in this interview). In the end he is left alone by his wife for his actions.
For every action he does, there is a whole family that does not support it and even punish him for his actions. What else you want a story teller to do? As per folks in this interview, every grey character has to die or suffer at the end of the film. My 2 cents.
I completely wasted $48 for 2 tickets for this inhuman piece of art. Don't know why I went in first place. :|
If you saw the buildup and went in expecting anything different, I'd be more concerned about your intellect than I would be about the movie.
Did you like Sacred games??
Don't overact.have u never watched english shit
The only silver lining that has come out of Vanga's Animal is this discussion.
Every news channel is falling prey to Sandeep's plan :D Your focus on the movie is feeding more money and craze to the movie :D
We do not not want a fellow Indian to make money. Let's be very clear we do not take happiness in his financial ruin. We can think of it as the fee paid towards an equitable, respectable society through discourse.
@@Tatopotatoo western filmmakers show mom son sexual incest relationship in the name of storytelling
Violence is not a problem. Extreme violent is also not a problem. Like said, is it integral or forced? The issue is how it is being presented and in what context. Does it represent any cinematic art? The problem is more severe in this film. It was quite clear that the message was misogyny being glorified. The fact the so many people watched and enjoyed the misogyny tells a lot about our society. A film like this would never work in the west.
Indiana Jones, jems bond, superman, batman, ethan❤ hunt they are proper masculinity movies
If you feel it’s not integral and forced , then you don’t watch it. It’s that simple. Putting yourself on the pedestal and judging a movie on the basis of your moral compass and calling it misogynistic is forced as well. Also, since when has west become the benchmark of what is morality ? You see I’m bald and watching Bala triggered me! But should I cry a river on oh how it’s not right on how female characters in the movie were rejecting the guy because he was bald and blah blah blah ?
Misogynt that misoyny this. If you dont like dont watch.
i didnt find any pt that misogyny was glorified...the pelvic comment was made in respect to the animal kingdom....and here fay took half things...ranbir said..early ladies had the right to choose the men they want to marry and have babies with ...choose the people they wanted protected by....tell me one part where his actions werre justified
wow you are so intelligent; you figured that out---enjoy your intelligence in the animal kingdom...@@parthibdey6005
😂 these are the Guardians of our society lol
Let's be honest firstly I went to watch the movie secondly I was disappointed because it was basically titillating in its nature.. now I am thinking what were the factors that convince me to pay those Rs 300 to watch the movie. ...because I watch like only one or max two movies in the hall in an entire year
Tu Sacred Games dekh aur hila ke soja btw that was highly appreciated by these same samosa critics
While I agree with a lot of Nikhil, Sucharita and Faye's arguments about the producer, director and actors having the responsibility to clear the air about any moral intent they may have, I seriously don't think that the movie goes extremely out of tangent to glorify violence. Violence is a crucial character trait to Ranbir's performance. It's not just a low hanging fruit like Aamir says. If this was marketed as a dark comedy movie and then there was indiscriminate sex and violence, I would still be ready to concede that.
Also I feel picking out the scene where Ranbir shoots a gun inside a school is a bad example to make the argument that the film is violent. Nobody in the school is actually shot at in that scene, even the character's intention wasn't to hurt but to scare, something that Ranbir's character himself admits to later in the film, so it's not a scene with violence, rather it's just a scene with the threat of violence. Of course there's violence sprinkled in the rest of the movie like confetti, but I think Sandeep needed to show that to display just how much of a loose cannon Ranbir's character was. It makes the last 10 minutes of the movie where Anil and Ranbir have their grand dad-son conversation, and when Ranbir finally breaks down crying that much more impactful, because that catharsis came when the damage was done and it was too late to turn back
Mirzapur and other webseries fans found Animal movie offensive 😂
We should feel lucky that Sucharita is a mere film reviewer not a film maker... 😂
It's like men talking to men about the painful labor pain 😂😂😂
@@rationalbeing6797how did figure?
For the first 15 minutes, Faye anticipated that at least someone would express disagreement or challenge the accuracy of the Animal movie's depiction of the Alpha Male narrative or the violence. However, to everyone's surprise, no objections were raised. What adds an intriguing layer to this conversation is the A-rated status of the movie, signaling mature content, and yet it has obtained approval from the censor board.
The approval from the censor board is particularly noteworthy, suggesting that the film has successfully met the necessary standards and regulations despite its mature content. The fact that an A-rated movie has garnered widespread popularity, earning the coveted status of a super hit, underscores a significant resonance with the audience. This phenomenon prompts additional contemplation on the evolving preferences and acceptance of mature themes within contemporary cinema.
Faye's keen observations offer a compelling lens through which to explore the intersection of audience reception, content rating, and cinematic success. These findings raise pertinent questions about the dynamic shifts in audience expectations and the film industry's adaptability to diverse narratives, even those featuring mature themes.
Critics are supposedly educated bunch who has at the least learned how to analyze a movie. Here sorry to say, none of panelists seem to have carefully watched the movie.
Alpha Male story - point of the whole story is to tell Rashmika'a character that females had more agency at the dawn of civilization than now. Arrange marriage is in guise subjugating women and taking away their agency to make their own choice. Isn't that feminism? Point to be noted...Ranbir was blocked to be at a lower point of view and touching her feet during the whole conversation as to symbolize respect, request and holding her to a pedestal. Finally, she made the choice to be with him and she made the choice to leave him by the end...Nobody licked the boots in the movie...it was rhetorical! again, too nuanced for Indian critics to understand. stop being subjective or go in with a bias to review a movie. Vanga's problem was not that you guys criticized him; it's because you went in with pre-conceived notions and labeled him in a way that he took offense to (misunderstood his work). Called his love story a violent film. Also, Indian film watching ADULT audience is not naive where they will not differentiate between a movie and real life. This movie is not made for school kids; if they watch it...it's on the Theater operators or their parents/guardians...not on the film maker.
First question should be have they watch this movie or not
If feminists think you will become a misogynist after watching animal, then I became a spider after watching spider man
Its the same argument when kids play violent video games they bevome more violent but long term studies showed there is no correlation between all these😂
Agreed.. But, in India, the audience esp young children can get influenced after watching this kind of movie.
@@chatterjeesumit88 The director can do whatever he/she wants without seeking anyone’s permission except CBFC
Sucharita we heard your perspective about the film. Why are you doing it repeatedly
Faye can consider upping the zoom game like sucharita did!
BC no one on this panel has watched this movie and they still discussed it for an 1 hour!! I thought i was the only jobless guy in this country!!
Quite balanced debate. Thanks Faye for bringing 'Thank you for coming' to the discussion and it is extremely important.
Everyone who has a problem with the film, ever wondered why it's titled as "ANIMAL"? 🤔
First of all, it’s not a legal debate and it shouldn’t be. It’s a moral and ethical issue and it’s important we talk about it. There is individual morality but also societal morality and we’re not great at the latter. When films portray violence, sex and misogyny just for the sake of it, to prove a point, you’re alienating more than 50% of the populace and glorifying that they be treated as second class citizens. Something like that requires debate and discussion, requires caution and warning. We have evolved as a society and it’s important our cinema reflects that but it’s more important that our cinema audiences reflect that.
There are movies and series in which adultery by women justified......
Many movie in the past portray violence and sex.....
Never heard any debate about that...
Regarding mysoginy, yes it's Ranbir character which is mysoginyst...
That's why movie name is Animal not best human...or based on religion
@@untamedsoul876 ok but in other violent movies and misogynistic movies, the overtly violent guy is typically the villain and any character with such tendencies is shown to have consequences. Like SRK dying in Darr or Baazigarr, to say that if you’re going down this road, there will be consequences. This guy is a much worse monster and it’s all ok. There are no consequences, he’s the hero, his life is all ok at the end. That’s not a good message to send to our audiences. Not in this day and age.
@@rishikatiwari8792 Yes dear. But Bobby deol character is more worse than Ranbir. Regarding No police, no consequences of so many murders yes it's so foolish and this movie is far from reality.......
Plus Ranbir character is son of Richest man.
This movie should be criticized for mysoginy which is shown but people criticizing it for some other things too.....
People don't watch movies for morality lessons.....
Plz understand....
Sucharita, the last scene was put in just for you. The director cares about you that much, what else do you want 😂
Ps: sirf gaze aur messaging pe itna outrage😮 calm down didi!😅
Such finer elements they touched upon in this discussions. Thier clarity of thought is amazing. Mrs.faye as always made a great moderator in the show.appreciate the man who explained the intent of this director. He does sound very skewed in his interviews. N he feels hea being diff n proud of it.
In the opening 5 minutes , Mr.Hegde (legally) nullified the entire outrage. Vanga’s film gets more mileage. Such feather-lite chins these are.
Everyone said the same no one is saying ban the movie
What you see as "outrage" you see it as rage because it is criticism coming from women. No one is "outraged" they are being critical. Also hopefully you heard the whole thing. Everyone is saying movies or art of any kind should not be banned but they are saying that the gaze is the problem because it glorifies violence and problematic behaviour towards women.
looks like most of the people on this panel didn't watch the film. And more importantly, the one who definitely watched the film is ensuring the fence-sitters go and watch the film!!
If people start dictating what should not be made, that will set a dangerous precedent.
So as per sucharita and nikhil if a film maker shows a dark movie with pschyo killer killing people. Does director become a criminal?
Im at 15:20 why this guy is even allowed to join if he didn't watch movie, and ranvijay never said you have hips to bear an alpha.... why no one mentioning that's not the dialogue and intention. She didn't find the dialogue offensive enough to mention so she changed it...?
what's the point of debate when there's no honesty....
We dont need any critics to give us moral course on what to watch and what not to watch. Plz keep your intellectual knowledge and vocabulary to yourself and your reviews. Audience are matured enough to decide whats good for them
Every critic sat on moral responsibility but no one even touched the technical aspects of the movie.
Presentation, editing, soundtracks, all cast acting, gray characterization etc.
i agree, every element of this movie is exceptional.
If critiques decide to have a debate on a movie, the minimum criteria should be that a panellist has watched the film.
A discussion should not be one sided
Stop trying to find solution to real life problems through making changes in cinema. It's like confusing Apple for oranges.
Hahahahaha loving the burnt ultra feminists.. 😂 there is a reason the movie was tagged A 18+ cz adults can differentiate b/w a movie and reality but these triggered feminists are so burnt. That last scene is exactly for this lot lollll 😄
the undertone or the tonality; the heroic tonality which all the misogynistic and violent scenes were shown with in the movie that even made the viewers clap is the issue and THIS ISSUE needs to be addressed. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE DISCOURSE AND BRING IN LIGHT THE WRONGS THIS MOVIE IS DOING.
It's not about the toxic hero in the movie.
It is about the toxicity this movie is.
It is about the toxic intent the movie has been made with.
It is about Sandeep's interviews where he said stupid things and ended up making a film to prove a point.
Had this experience in a PVR theatre where the audience was whistling on almost every Ranbir action scene (needless to say all those scenes were filled with violence)
@@zeus3086 because its commercial bollywood masala movie( cheesy and over the top action)
when srk was doing action in jawan or pathan didnt u whistle ....come on its a character
@@Asecret-rd1qe see i don't have problem with jawan neither with animal both were good...and needs to be watched on the big screen....where jawan is completely a movie which needs to be celebrated....it is a movie completely rooted...and speaks for the people... something which Bollywood lacked over the years...and animal is completely diff...a story of a flawed character ...jawan is a mass masala complete entertainer with a social message....where as animal is very diff...
@@parthibdey6005 no, I was yawning. Bundle movie thi
This was suppose to be a debate…
Apne dost yaaro ko bitha kr ego-massage kr rhe hai🙏🏻🤦🏻♂️
And Our freedom struggle was non-violent 🤦🏻♂️ for god sake don’t talk rubbish and disrespect.
And I am within my rights to put down a comment as you said😶
These people support shows like four more shots and then criticize animal. Don't take me wrong. I didn't like either of two. But these people, so called critics, are such big hypocrites...
I haven't seen Animal but I have seen Kabir Singh. One thing i can tell about Indian viewer is that they are fairly backward. They haven't seen violence in movies or aplha male characters. This film is not violence or misogyny its simply larger than life hence request to have viewers discretion. I was also against banning Kashmir Files and Kerala Story. Let directors and makers breathe....
Sucharita is to Animal is what Owiasi is to Modi.
@Nikhil, in response to your discussion about the director and protagonist explaining their intentions behind the movie, I believe our film industry already implements thorough checks and balances before approving a movie for viewership. Additionally, the film has received an "A" rating, ensuring it's intended for mature audiences. The disclaimer at the beginning of the movie explicitly states that it's a work of fiction and doesn't endorse or relate to any real characters. This precaution should prevent any undue influence on children.
I found the movie absolutely fantastic and immensely enjoyable. Planning to watch it repeatedly-there's so much for everyone, from outstanding cinematography, gripping action, and captivating music to the stylish fashion, the fresh presence of Tripti, and Bobby Deol's impactful role. And of course, Ranbir's outstanding acting steals the show!
How can you have a panelist discuss about a film where he hasn't watched the film and on wht basis he is doing his. Commentary on "Twitter"? Terrible ,how can one say that there isn't art of violence in this fillm or film is justifing it's protagonist actions.
I have not watched the movie or even seen the trailer just heard about it. and I am writing this before listening the debate, one important point i feel which is critical is that women in Indian cinema have never been portrayed rightly. Times are changing but majority of the movies still portray woman as a damsel in distress character, easily falling for the mostly agressive manner in which the male character tries to "wow" and get her attention. The ideas of "hassi toh phassi" continue to be the center stage and adding to that generic culture of woman representation in Indian cinema, such movies come accross as ultra aggressive and that is where it is wrong. my 2 cents on it
Possibly Animal is not a problematic film, I wonder what age Ranbir will feel comfortable for his own daughter to watch this movie?
That's why it's A rated!
He will show her Barbie..u don't worry abt it😂..
Well he is problematic in his own accord, so I'd not like to inquire about that
What is most problematic about Animal is that all the female characters seem to be either complicit in the crimes of the perpetrators or indifferent towards their erratic and ungodly behaviour. Docile and complacent pawns in the larger politics - that is the role of the women in the world of Animal. But that does not hold true for any subset of the human society. Women are not pawns. They are not complacent in the war crimes of patriarchal politics - they are fierce guardians of the future, and advocates for reform and sustainability. Not one strong female character or one strong stance from a female character could be squeezed into 4 hours of reel? How far removed is this picture from real world where strong women sustain our civilisation
Lol u know what cleopatra did? Do u know how cruel kim jong un's sister?? Stop blaming everything on men. Humans men and women are capable of crazy stuff.
There are such women on earth too!!! End of the day it’s an ART!!!!
Only Sanjay Hegde made sense.. rest were parasites riding on the success of Sandeep Reddy Vanga. It was a comedic that Fay was even asking such questions 😅
Animal is an escapist film. So much hue and cry, nitpicking, over-analysing, over-debating a film that is meant to evoke polarising views is absolutely uncalled for.
Every film should be treated as an escapist medium where you spend few hours in a fantastical world and then move on to watching the next film. The sole objective of any film is the entertain the audience and not to give moral science lecture. People who watch such films don't go to theatres with the intention of learning and exhibiting the behavior of the protagonist or the antagonist once they leave the theatre. They simply go to experience a world that is so far off from reality to get entertained and take some time off from the daily issues and stress of life. Responsible adults will behave responsibly irrespective of what the film depicts so please take a chill pill.
These intolerant folks are taking their personal vendetta and using every tool at their disposal to threaten the guys behind the film! Bollywood was in such bad shape until a few days back and these films are somewhat reviving the almost dead industry… who’s out there watching this movie and going outside and treating women badly? Nobody!!! It’s just that either you guys are being delusional orrrr just taking out personal vendetta… Sucharita has done three sittings just for bashing up this movie such a shame wasting your time!
Exactly these are the same people who will say of people play violent video games then they will become violent. Its just for escaping from the world fornthree hours without any drugs. Leave it at that. I always thought cinema as an escapist way from haesh reality.
You said it for me
These PPL are actually trying to milk from the success of the movie and trying to get recognised so that they can stay relevant.
Okk plz stop saying that "take a movie as a movie" this movie is going to influence alright just because you are comfortable as an individual just doesn't mean this movie is not problematic atleast call out on obvious things if you call out movies like "four more shots"
most of your content is so much better and saying the real news. was very much looking forward to hear this debate. but reading the comments and many mentioning that most members in the panel have not watched the movie is making me not continue watching the debate. need everyone on the same page with regards to the background specially with this movie to debate fairly i feel.
Whether they realize or not, in todays times, these critics or reviewers have the capacity to influence a percentage of audience with their reviews. They tried to kill the business of kabir singh because they did not like it. But they could not. No appreciation or credits given to any crafts in the movie. Same with Animal. It is not sandeep reddy vanga who should self introspect. It is the criticts who should self introspect and do their job responsibly. Otherwise sandep reddy vanga will make a fool of them again and agian.
Once Sandeep introduces a few female characters, in the Animal universe, carrying such swag and slashing people left, right, and centre, a lot of critics will be calmed down. Highly recommend him to introduce at one such bad ass female character in Animal Park.
What if Animal the movie was satirical allegorical art like animal farm ( sequel mentioned in end credits is animal park ) and it's writer director an auteur like George Orwell whose subterfuge style is by replacing showing a dystopian society with just a rotten individual
When the protagonist slashes the neck of the antagonist, there was no gasp of horror from the theatre audience, in fact the bgm instigated the audience , whose pavlovian response ,as tutored , was to stand up at the sound of an anthem , to now clap n whistle , which reminded me of another December in 1992 when Bombay riots had broken out and the privileged neighbours had similarly turned on their minority neighbours , without any remorse and taking pleasure in extracting cold blooded revenge ..
Vijay + 2 sisters (sanghi-bhakts-shiv sainik) is the offspring of sarsanghchalak of swastika industries (rss symbol ) who slashes open the neck of abrar haque ( muslim ) to extract revenge ..
attack in a corridor ( godhra train burning)
attack in school (jnu )
hotel ballroom where the educated people are forced to close their eyes while a person is strangulated ( 370 article abrogation n internet shutdown)
Is #Sandeep Reddy Vanga an abstract painter toying tongue in cheek with his critics?
It makes me really sad that Faye is asking some questions here, that make me feel like she hasn't really seen the movie. Im so used to seeing her pinpoint the correct problems always, that im surprised by the superficiliaty of some of the questions she is asking.
PS. I found the movie problematic as well, just surprised that both the women in this window are unable to clearly put out the problem with the movie.
I feel over the last two years RKs PR going wrong and him being a toxic person has worked in the film’s favour too. Very tricky 😮
It's working he's making good movie you can cope harder bangalan jake apna bokachoda cinema dekh satyajit roy ka
Hey Ms Faye, don't do Debate on a film unless you have watched it!