Thank you to everyone for your positive comments! It's great to be back after 4 years and I hope I'll be able to upload videos more regularly in the future. Anyway, on to the obligatory clarifications and comments. *ALT ACCOUNTS.* The names of all 112 identified accounts (including Averra) can be found in the description of the video. For the avoidance of doubt, Droonlandia (9:40) is not an identified alt account. As a lot of profile pictures used by Averra's alts are regrettably of other people's artworks, the artists of those works are very likely to have nothing to do with Averra at all.
Oh man, Its been a while since I've been in nationstates. The biggest incident that I know and still remember of was Vandoosa's (infamous raider) getting sacked due to some third-party website shenanigans. Even then this sort of regional incident seems to have a far bigger scope than what happened in my own home region.
Honestly my take away is that roleplaying a corrupt manipulative politician whom abuses their power while disclosing it out of character would be based as hell and would make for some consentual drama
The problem is that by disclosing it you then give other people an unrealistic edge IC when they otherwise wouldn't have any way to be tipped off about it
@@jamesrosewell9081 Not really though? Most people living under corrupt governments know that corruption is happening and it's not even uncommon to know how said corruption works (to different extents). If you disclose every single detail about how the corruption will work or what corrupt acts have happened then yeah, that wouldn't be much fun nor realistic, but that's not necessary; you can simply say "hey, I will be roleplaying as a corrupt politician" or "corruption is allowed in this game" or something else along those lines. The point is just to make everyone involved aware of what kind of roleplay they can expect so they don't feel cheated.
@@char1211it would be cool if with one account, they announced that, say “if allowed, in the following week i will join with a corrupt account, with this account i will update if the roleplay continues”
Almost every region on NationStates with a functioning administrative system could be characterised as a 'discord democracy RP community' in some sense of the term.
I'm going ti be honest. This sounds like an incredibly stressful experience and I genuinely don't understand why anyone would subject themselves to this for fun
@@shrilleth If i use a java script that substitutes the words "it" and "sucks" for "it's" and "peak". Your comment becomes a compliment. Therefore, becoming a discord obese vampire is peak existence.
Fezzian must have felt like he was going insane before this was revealed. Some guy with a weird grudge somehow turning dozens of people against you actually turning out to be some guy with a weird grudge and a hundred alt accounts would keep my psychiatrist in business for years
For real... I feel very bad for the dude, and honestly I could excuse Averra as just having fun messing with a community (as dickish as this can actually be to people trying to roleplay by the book) if it didn't devolve into this level of weird harassment towards a random member from the opposition. And honestly, that brings me to ask how the fuck could any of this be enjoyable in the first place- like, I imagine at some point it's extremely stressful to Averra. And besides, if I wanted to play the part of a corrupt, power-hungry politician in a nation roleplay it would be much more fun and engaging to have others being genuinely on-board. It's just a roleplay, after all! It's just one of many possibilities. But this... Good Lord. He needs help.
As someone who uses "Pictured:" but has never participated in discord democracies, I'm overcome with existential horror at the thought that I might be an alt.
as someone who was in the alcris server (though not active enough in it to be aware about the whole alt situation) and who was familiar with a few of the people in this video, watching this felt like having an anvil dropped on my head, especially realizing what youtube channel this is from
I've spoken with Averra before. My region used to have good relations with a region he was in (in about 2019). He developed some really weird assembly of regions, like a mini-UN for non-NationStates players, where he proceeded to kick out all the regions that didn't do exactly as he said. Then he accused me randomly of harassing his DMs with an alt, it obviously wasn't me lol, but when I heard about this I thought about how ironic that all was in the end. Funnily enough he DMed me about two years later asking me to make a map for him.
"he had constitutionally unchecked powers to declare a state of emergency at any time and to act in any manner he wished" ADOLF WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY DISCORD VIDEO?
This feels like a different flavor of the Ms. Scribe story, where a Harry Potter fanfic author used sock puppet accounts to get closer to her favorite fanfic authors.
@@idontwantahandlethough a youtuber called strange aeons (referenced in VHSo_o's reply) has a video that's almost an hour and a half long which covers ms scribe, although I personally haven't watched that specific video.
I’m an… outsider I guess (?) and I was confused as hell for the first few minutes of the video trying to figure out if world leaders were sending each other cat memes on discord
Its amazing how sonething seemingly innocuous (“This guy is actually running the entire government and most of the population of a discord roleplay nation”) turned into a lurid saga of bullying gaslighting and personal harassment upon digging deeper
@@Pepesmall Its innocuous as in it has absolutely no impact on anyone in the long term, but yes it's so incredibly online you could create a new disorder just to describe this
@@Pepesmall like its weird! But “cheating at imaginary country politics” sounds hilarious at a surface level, but underneath that cheating involved being personally hurtful to a lot of people :(
As someone who was on that original 14 nation list, this was a beautiful surprise today. I look forward to watching this video and seeing a more objective account of what’s happened. Thank you, Danyo.
While this is cool and insane, I feel genuinely bad for people like Fessian and the science league. Like, being harrassed and essentially gaslit that your ideas are bad, you aren't a good person, you have a grudge, etc. Like, clearly caring about something, but for over a year, apparently everyone hates you and doesn't want to listen, and you are bad - when you were on the right track the whole time. That, and tons of the people you "know" never existing, or secretly being a dude that hates you. Like, this is cool, and kinda funny for the drama, but the human element is just sad and mean.
The investigation using "idiosyncratic behaviors" was super interesting! In linguistics we call it an Idiolect, and the way you used it is the way it is also commonly used to find suspects in forensic linguistics. It was actually used in helping identify the Unabomber. I know nothing about Nationstates, but this was an interesting video nonetheless!
Alot of this is vaguely reminiscent of the techniques used by law enforcement agencies to track cyber criminals, and also to check integrity in actual elections. Language has patterns, and people have patterns. The more you try to obscure the pattern, the more visible it becomes, especially if included in a larger data set.
Didn’t know the term in linguistics, but I was reminded of that because of the “/ j” behavior. That’s a French thing, right? And this guy is supposedly Swiss (the mention that a cluster of accounts were CTE because of Swiss military conscription).
As Andor's Karis Nemik put it in his manifesto, "Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear."
This is very interesting. Though they're essentially a "cheater", as an outside person looking in the whole thing seems super interesting. Like if it was fictional it'd be an interesting story
@@ITR Yeah, it is an endgame spoiler. It's revealed the main antagonists, who are like apparently a Council charged of judging humanity or something, are just one single guy. He murdered everyone else, and replaced them with clones because he thought their opinions sucked and only he was right.
A lot of them are teens with a lot of free time, because they underachieve in school, or adults who just completely underachieve in life in general. One of the two still has a chance to fix the problem tho.
Wait, People put effort into those? I'm still confused as to what the guy was saying about "discord account widgets" or whatever personality test he was talking about.
@wickederebus If I'm running multiple alt accounts and don't want to be caught I'll surely have each account have a profile pic of a different style. His alts all have profile pics that seem like the same person came up with them
@@wickederebus Tons of Discord users take a short personality quiz because it gives your profile a badge, not any of his accounts did, making it seem even more unlikely that they are real people.
@@wickederebus the generative AI wouldn't be able to draw what you want it to without non-consensually using other artists' work to train itself and copy their exact style. it goes beyond taking inspiration from another artist's work, it rips aspects of the art it's being trained on and slaps it together with other pieces of art to create your prompt. nothing it generates is actually new work, it's a frankenstein monster of other peoples' work. it does this with writing, too.
@@picksey4736also ai art is generally just ugly. It's too shiny and generally does absurd things that a human artist wouldn't, and not in a good way lol
Fezzian must feel like a king watching this and knowing he was absolutely vindicated by history in every way. Feel so bad for him knowing he should have had a landslide victory.
As a West Pacific loyalist for what must be nearly 6 years now, this whole topic is supremely fascinating. While I've dipped my toes into the occasional regional RP event here and there, the idea that one could get so invested in what is, in essence, an entirely synthetic and isolated government, as to orchestrate an elaborate internal plot to defraud its intended checks and balances and seize supreme command is utterly alien to me. Great job on keeping me hooked the whole way through. - The Too-Well-Hidden Bunker of Podium, which has been motivated by this video to finally clear out my issues tab and start talking on the RMB again
This story is eerily similiar to my experience with the region North Ustaynga from 2016-2020, and based on the end of the video, I have serious concerns this may be the same person. A multi lingual man (spoke same languages as Alverra) who’s supposed wife, mother in law, and multiple childhood friends were all co moderators of the security council of that server was revealed to be one person. Many other alt accounts were uncovered. He had been rigging the elections and development and research for years, as well as culturally and socially manipulating the server through his extensive network of alts. He normalised bizarre in character behaviours that most real players disliked but were overruled by his network of alts. He scapegoated one nation, Omnum, in a similiar manner to how he degraded the leader of the opposition on Alcris. For years ive wondered what happened to him, and it sounds like he just continued his behaviour in Alcris. I believe this might be another layer to the drama that goes even deeper - happy to discuss further if it raises alarm bells for you as well?
It's really interesting about those "idiosyncracies", as you called them. I have many alt accounts, connected to various topics and interests. I wonder if someone could collect such characteristics, comb the internet and get a full picture of who I am or even dox me. Scarry. Well, note to self "Stop putting so much of yourself on the internet!!!" This comment by itself is probably a little too much.
Realistically, no, theyre is way too many bots and users on the internet for anyone to physically find you on it, its more likely someone would hack you, and stalk you to find such information than for it to be found naturally, With the usage of AI though, that might change in the future
There are ways to disguise yourself and your patterns of behavior - everything from your login patterns to stylometry (how you choose to write) to what personalities you choose to represent can all be obfuscated to significant degrees. In practice, however, you're just not big enough of a fish to fry.
@@slizzysluzzer I can dream XP One day I will hack "the bank", and become the best hacker you've ever heard of. Bigger than Neil Breen himself. And you wil have heard of me, because of my terrible opsec.
@@anonanon6596well. At least I can be sure that you're not a present or past member of any government agency, with a browser history like yours. (Note: I am reading you for filth only as a backhanded way at reading _myself_ for filth, because I do the _exact same thing._ LOL!)
Kind of curious what happened to the Aegis Union after Averra's sockpuppeting was revealed. How did they handle "one of their member states using sockpuppets to subvert their democratic processes" or what did they do with Averra's legislation?
knowing that a server I’m active in was once technically run like this (minus the one guy controlling alts and therefore the entire server’s governance) makes me so glad that it moved away from it two years ago. Some people just have too much time on their hands.
This is also a lesson in goverment Being inghe goverment give you power, vut also responsabilities. Who is the the type of person that wants the position? 1- those wanting to ABUSE the power and ignore responsabilities 2-Those who feel RESPONSIBLE to act and need power to do so. Thus why 90% of politicians are corrupt sons of bitches. They corrupt os the one who want the position the most, and the one willing to put more effort to get it
I love the internet for stuff like this. 1. People like democracy/politics enough to make an RP government on discord. 2. One person seems to have been corrupt just like in real life politics. (I'm not saying that they were or they weren't. Just that it seems like they were.) 3. This was a big enough of a deal that someone made an exposé about it. And 4. That there is an hour long video for me to listen to while working. Good job internet. Good job
I was the first Premier of Conifer and it’s so surreal to come back to this lore, recognising legacy-laden players from the very first days, still going through the NS motions (no pun intended) after 6 or 7 years. Shout out to Funky Goats (ex-Premier) who obviously got screwed by this scam despite having a great record of statespersonhood in Conifer history. Long live Evergreen Conifer! Does anyone know what came of Vyutsk in the end btw?
is that _the_ capucinn/athidill, in the flesh? it's been a while, old friend if it isn't obvious, i'm Funky Goats, and yeah, it's weird to think that i've been on this site for this long now, and that i've gotten the chance to experience stuff like this i suppose pouring my heart and my soul into alcris was worth it in a sense, because it means the rag-tag group of misfits we've been gathering since the conifer days has gotten some great new additions (and i can also add co-founder to my list of positions that i've held lol) i only wish vyutsk was around to see us now i hope that wherever he is, whether that's the afterlife or a high-up position in latvia, he's doing well and looking down at us with a smile, and his tongue sticking out
i watched this entire video with my boyfriend, even though neither of us are even remotely into nationstates or government simulations, and we both got wildly invested in this drama. 10/10 video, can't wait for part 2
there's so much more NS drama-like, this is small fries compared to a mod being banned permanently because of (presumably) being a pdf, dozens of users being banned for using a script to destroy and grief other regions, a former mod fighting against the current mod team and their entire thread being deleted, the UN suing NS for using their name, two mods being doxxed...
You left, honed your skills, retrained yourself in the crafting of audiovisual entertainment, and returned with not a single gift, but the beginnings of something truly fascinating. I await your next entry with great interest, Mr. Garch.
In all seriousness, I can’t imagine doing all that just to maintain control of a hundred “citizens”. If you’re gonna fake something, at least do it right.
Holy cow, this is the kind of depth in subterfuge combined with excessive no-lifing I usually expect from EVE online politics... Very nicely put together investigation and video.
Woah! Crazy good video! So happy it showed up on my feed!! Complex political drama without anyone's irl livelihoods at stake? Perfect! I got such chills at the end!!!
It literally took me until after the video to realize you were the same creator who did the Habbo Hotel Criminal Empire duology. How was I not already subscribed!? Excellent work on an absolutely horrifying topic!
Love your content! Just wanted to say, the algorithm can be brutal, if you don’t get the same views as before just know we still love your content, and we’ll keep watching until the algorithm comes back in your favor.
This randomly came up on my recommended- and I’m so glad it did. The title caught my eye and I was surprised a video like this doesn’t have more views! Genuinely thinking about this in a niche retrospect, that something this crazy happened in a community I didn’t even know existed until today… it’s just all so fascinating to me. Not to mention the dedication and work you put into this is extremely commendable. So sending a massive props your way, and I’m very glad the algorithm picked your video up. Amazing video dude.
The intro and outro on this video are extraordinary man good job. I didn’t even know rp government existed yet I was captured by the intro and watched the entire thing, slowly peeling back the layers only for it to be revealed he learned those tricks of the trade from another server. Very well done
Averra being the entire council and manipulating the entire playing board to become the Chancellor of the Aegis Union reminds me of another democracy-loving Chancellor with a secret persona who *also* was the entire Senate… Makes me think that the new server he wanted to create to “preserve the world building” was gonna be called the Alcris Empire.
If they're a teenager, they started it all as a preteen... but the level of organisation and such very much makes me think that *at minimum* they are no longer a teenager nowdays.
I have no interest in NationStates or even government roleplay, but this video was very entertaining. I'm surprised I actually watched to the end, considering it's length. Very good job on the visuals and even better at story telling.
Damn this was a good vid. As one of the people on that independence document it’s nice to see this get the attention is deserves. A shame someone went through all that and crushed several tight knit communities just for some power on a roleaying website
Never have I ever been so invested in something I just found out existed. I have checked out the rest of your videos and they are all fantastic! I honestly hope that you release more in the future.
as someone who runs two separate accounts and is terrified of people discovering they're both me this guy's lack of self-preservation is astonishing. how often do you see people using ai generated animals as their profile pictures? not nearly enough for twenty accounts using it to not be weird
The analysis of the way of writing being an identification indicator reminds me of Spencer Reid in that one episode of criminal minds, with the partners sharing a chat account
This man dropping all this info, some weird drama never heard of- and leaves us on a cliff hanger mannnnnn Jk all love this video was fucking wild ride, can’t wait to see what happens next !!!
Thanks to youtube for recommending me this for reasons entirely unknown. This was one hell of a wild ride to go down while having absolutely no prior knowledge or context of these types of communities even existing.
Geez. This bubbled up in my recs and... great noodly appendages. Bob's pipe. Josh of Nazareth. The ending gave me whiplash. Some are theorising multiple personalities, but it's more like a novelist. Some of these accounts are paper thin background extras, some main cast supports... but there's only one main character.
yeah there's no way they're plural (more modern term for "multiple personalities"). plural people online, in my experience, usually either (1) hide it (because being plural is not really yet societally acceptable unfortunately) or (2) use one account with ways of distinguishing who exactly is speaking (on discord PluralKit is usually used for this purpose). nobody makes multiple alts and pretends each alt is entirely unrelated from eachother unless they're trying to do sockpuppetry.
@thezipcreator The modern term for Multiple Personality Disorder is Dissociative Identity Disorder. People with this disorder aren't "plural", they're people with DID. The "plural" thing was made up by attention-seekers pretending to have DID because they think it's cool, ignoring how DID is a serious mental disorder that is caused by extreme emotional trauma and greatly impacts DID sufferers' daily functioning. Please don't romanticize mental health issues.
@@thezipcreator Stop calling them "plural". DID is a serious mental disorder which only arises from severe early childhood trauma. It is not cute or quirky.
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Thank you to everyone for your positive comments! It's great to be back after 4 years and I hope I'll be able to upload videos more regularly in the future. Anyway, on to the obligatory clarifications and comments.
*ALT ACCOUNTS.* The names of all 112 identified accounts (including Averra) can be found in the description of the video. For the avoidance of doubt, Droonlandia (9:40) is not an identified alt account. As a lot of profile pictures used by Averra's alts are regrettably of other people's artworks, the artists of those works are very likely to have nothing to do with Averra at all.
I just stumbled on your Video. What secret World of discord states did I miss? Can anyone inform me?
Oh man, Its been a while since I've been in nationstates. The biggest incident that I know and still remember of was Vandoosa's (infamous raider) getting sacked due to some third-party website shenanigans. Even then this sort of regional incident seems to have a far bigger scope than what happened in my own home region.
@@wacherwicht1810what would you like to know?
The painful lesson here is Feudal Facism practically always win, being to dominant form to structure power online.
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this is terminally online to a level that i didn't even know existed
You’re not wrong lol. These people needs to touch grass.
Unless it’s a form of massive experiment.
@@aandwdabestis this a sort of projection? This seems more rewarding and engaging than anything that most people do in their lives.
@Shoegaze- no no, they really should touch grass though.
@@Shoegaze- how is larping about fictional countries laws to the point where someone makes 100 alts on a website rewarding and engaging
@@Shoegaze- I disagree. I think that’s a massive waste of time.
Honestly my take away is that roleplaying a corrupt manipulative politician whom abuses their power while disclosing it out of character would be based as hell and would make for some consentual drama
yeah, but *always* disclose big stuff like this out of character, of course.
The problem is that by disclosing it you then give other people an unrealistic edge IC when they otherwise wouldn't have any way to be tipped off about it
@@jamesrosewell9081 Not really though? Most people living under corrupt governments know that corruption is happening and it's not even uncommon to know how said corruption works (to different extents). If you disclose every single detail about how the corruption will work or what corrupt acts have happened then yeah, that wouldn't be much fun nor realistic, but that's not necessary; you can simply say "hey, I will be roleplaying as a corrupt politician" or "corruption is allowed in this game" or something else along those lines. The point is just to make everyone involved aware of what kind of roleplay they can expect so they don't feel cheated.
@@char1211it would be cool if with one account, they announced that, say “if allowed, in the following week i will join with a corrupt account, with this account i will update if the roleplay continues”
Who, not whom. If you can replace “whom” with “him,” then it’s correct. If you replace it with “he,” then you should use “who.”
I never knew there was a discord democracy rp community
This all blows my mind
Voices of Democracy is the best one 😊
Come join us! Voices of Democracy and SimDemocracy are both pretty cool
There's even a political discord server that practices democracy
Almost every region on NationStates with a functioning administrative system could be characterised as a 'discord democracy RP community' in some sense of the term.
There's loads of them, I joined an American one and ran for Texas lol
Haven’t poked at nationstates in about a decade when I was still in school. Glad to see it’s still a psychotic, terminally online model un
Please save me
@@goose93 Extra Nationstatesiam nulla salus
"nationstates" sounds like it came from the same person who coined the word "conlang" does this make sense
@@jayIG nation-state is a real word
@@jamesmcpherson8599 yeah but like it has the same vibes as "conlang" if that makes sense?
i LOVE niche internet drama
im a witness
I wish i was a part in niche internet drama sometime
@@GallowBoobhonestly its mostly miserable to experience directly. Being near it but without stakes is as much as you want
@@GallowBoob as someone who has been a part of niche internet drama... it's not very pleasant
Cultivating niche internet drama is my side job.
I'm going ti be honest. This sounds like an incredibly stressful experience and I genuinely don't understand why anyone would subject themselves to this for fun
Wanted to have power. Was too poor for being an actual politician
Lack of professional help
It's fun when you're a politics/geo-politics nerd
If people like these didn't exist
Grand strategy as a concept wouldn't even exist
as someone who did it for four years (not on nationstates but on minecraft servers) it sucks
@@shrilleth If i use a java script that substitutes the words "it" and "sucks" for "it's" and "peak". Your comment becomes a compliment. Therefore, becoming a discord obese vampire is peak existence.
That one unemployed friend:
im 30 and ive never worked a day in my life gone to university or gone to any kind of education after 18
@@yvonetubla7682 typical "Conservative Progressive Anti-Liberal Anti-Libertarian"
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 im a left wing right wing conservative progressive
@@yvonetubla7682 Bro is a communist anarcho capitalist fascist. He's transcended the plane of political alignment
@@yvonetubla7682are you voting for everyone?
Fezzian must have felt like he was going insane before this was revealed. Some guy with a weird grudge somehow turning dozens of people against you actually turning out to be some guy with a weird grudge and a hundred alt accounts would keep my psychiatrist in business for years
For real... I feel very bad for the dude, and honestly I could excuse Averra as just having fun messing with a community (as dickish as this can actually be to people trying to roleplay by the book) if it didn't devolve into this level of weird harassment towards a random member from the opposition.
And honestly, that brings me to ask how the fuck could any of this be enjoyable in the first place- like, I imagine at some point it's extremely stressful to Averra. And besides, if I wanted to play the part of a corrupt, power-hungry politician in a nation roleplay it would be much more fun and engaging to have others being genuinely on-board. It's just a roleplay, after all! It's just one of many possibilities. But this... Good Lord. He needs help.
As someone who uses "Pictured:" but has never participated in discord democracies, I'm overcome with existential horror at the thought that I might be an alt.
IT'S BECOME SELF AWARE!
DELETE THE ACCOUNT!
Pictured: a commenter experiencing angst at the idea of mistaken identity with a lunatic
After all, we are all alts of Averra
xP
@@retinazer7652 Everyone online is an Averra alt except you
as someone who was in the alcris server (though not active enough in it to be aware about the whole alt situation) and who was familiar with a few of the people in this video, watching this felt like having an anvil dropped on my head, especially realizing what youtube channel this is from
I was there too
I've spoken with Averra before. My region used to have good relations with a region he was in (in about 2019). He developed some really weird assembly of regions, like a mini-UN for non-NationStates players, where he proceeded to kick out all the regions that didn't do exactly as he said. Then he accused me randomly of harassing his DMs with an alt, it obviously wasn't me lol, but when I heard about this I thought about how ironic that all was in the end. Funnily enough he DMed me about two years later asking me to make a map for him.
If someone wanted to join a NationStates rp server and take part in unhinged and deeply silly discussions how would they go about looking for servers
"he had constitutionally unchecked powers to declare a state of emergency at any time and to act in any manner he wished" ADOLF WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY DISCORD VIDEO?
hey no one ever said it had to be a functioning democracy
Wow sounds like Canada during the convoy protest
That's a lot of democracies tbf
this is as if Adolf rulled Germany, but it was mostly made of his clones.
This feels like a different flavor of the Ms. Scribe story, where a Harry Potter fanfic author used sock puppet accounts to get closer to her favorite fanfic authors.
Ms scribe Swedish democracy edition
but not told by a trans woman, so slightly worse :
the WHAT? That sounds crazy, where do I find out more?
@@idontwantahandlethough a youtuber called strange aeons (referenced in VHSo_o's reply) has a video that's almost an hour and a half long which covers ms scribe, although I personally haven't watched that specific video.
@@fishydidsi believe VHSo_o was thinking about eldena doubleca5t, not strange aeons
He told eggmans word to heart
“You fool I have over 100 alternative accounts”
SNAPCUBE MENTIONED ‼️‼️‼️‼️ time to binge rewatch all the fandubs again!
@@wheezardHaha ha! One!
@@ValeBridgesI get so tilted at the towers.
@@thepioneer1525I have an announcement!
"Good luck, I'm behind seven proxies!"
>discord mods
>politics
>rp
Truly an unholy trinity.
The only thing that can make it worse is loli “art”
I love the casual use of political terms despite only being a video on nationstates drama
Right? I was just thinking to myself at the start "wow fuck, this video is taking itself so seriously... I _adore_ this"
@@Imperial_SquidNS takes itself very seriously. we're losers
@@piyo744loosers*
I’m an… outsider I guess (?) and I was confused as hell for the first few minutes of the video trying to figure out if world leaders were sending each other cat memes on discord
@@twiggybeast0213ah yes, the key to world peace; goverment leaders engaging in daily cat memes to each other in Discord.
Its amazing how sonething seemingly innocuous (“This guy is actually running the entire government and most of the population of a discord roleplay nation”) turned into a lurid saga of bullying gaslighting and personal harassment upon digging deeper
If someone is crazy enough to run a hundred alts to fake a government and most of its populace that is not innocuous at all
That is innocuous? Wut? That sounds like criteria for a diagnosis. That sounds like someone's introduction during group therapy.
@@Pepesmall Its innocuous as in it has absolutely no impact on anyone in the long term, but yes it's so incredibly online you could create a new disorder just to describe this
@@Pepesmall like its weird! But “cheating at imaginary country politics” sounds hilarious at a surface level, but underneath that cheating involved being personally hurtful to a lot of people :(
what in the rabbithole fuck did i stumble into 💀
Online text based nation sims, welcome to hell. Try politics and war a go
I was just asking myself the same thing. I might click away now and forget I saw anything....
As someone who was on that original 14 nation list, this was a beautiful surprise today. I look forward to watching this video and seeing a more objective account of what’s happened. Thank you, Danyo.
I used to play NationStates and always thought something like this possible but only hypothetical since the amount of brain rot necessary is absurd
id forget all the accounts in like a week tbh
While this is cool and insane, I feel genuinely bad for people like Fessian and the science league.
Like, being harrassed and essentially gaslit that your ideas are bad, you aren't a good person, you have a grudge, etc.
Like, clearly caring about something, but for over a year, apparently everyone hates you and doesn't want to listen, and you are bad - when you were on the right track the whole time.
That, and tons of the people you "know" never existing, or secretly being a dude that hates you.
Like, this is cool, and kinda funny for the drama, but the human element is just sad and mean.
The investigation using "idiosyncratic behaviors" was super interesting! In linguistics we call it an Idiolect, and the way you used it is the way it is also commonly used to find suspects in forensic linguistics. It was actually used in helping identify the Unabomber.
I know nothing about Nationstates, but this was an interesting video nonetheless!
Alot of this is vaguely reminiscent of the techniques used by law enforcement agencies to track cyber criminals, and also to check integrity in actual elections.
Language has patterns, and people have patterns. The more you try to obscure the pattern, the more visible it becomes, especially if included in a larger data set.
Didn’t know the term in linguistics, but I was reminded of that because of the “/ j” behavior. That’s a French thing, right? And this guy is supposedly Swiss (the mention that a cluster of accounts were CTE because of Swiss military conscription).
I guess poor Ted couldn't have his cake (talk weirdly) and eat it too (get away with murdering people)
To call him a no-lifer is an understatement. That guy's a social parasite.
~ An NS user that quit and then rejoined the site.
Did you quit again
@goose93 no I recently rejoined, but I'm mostly doing nothing
He is such a no lifer that he went into the negatives and caused additional lives to be simulated
Please don't ever abbreviate nationstates to NS.
@@FullMetalZergling Why not? Is there something wrong>
As Andor's Karis Nemik put it in his manifesto, "Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear."
we are reaching non-credible levels not previously thought possible
This is very interesting. Though they're essentially a "cheater", as an outside person looking in the whole thing seems super interesting. Like if it was fictional it'd be an interesting story
That was pretty much the plot of a game I played, in fact. (Well, it was about clones instead of alt, but that's the "real life" equivalent.
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Ooo, what game was it? Unless it's a spoiler, lol
Is it lobotomy corp?@@shytendeakatamanoir9740
@@ITR Yeah, it is an endgame spoiler.
It's revealed the main antagonists, who are like apparently a Council charged of judging humanity or something, are just one single guy. He murdered everyone else, and replaced them with clones because he thought their opinions sucked and only he was right.
what game is it? sounds interesting@@shytendeakatamanoir9740
It will never cease to amaze me just how much stuff is going on at once in the world
How the hell did anyone have time for this? Both the investigation and… whatever the hell averra was doing.
some people spend hours every day doing weird nerd shit. that's how the internet works and how it will always work
A lot of them are teens with a lot of free time, because they underachieve in school, or adults who just completely underachieve in life in general. One of the two still has a chance to fix the problem tho.
Probably spends all of his free time doing this. Or just time in general, if he doesn't have school/a job
Because people do this as a hobby instead of painting or something
Im shocked the Discord profile pics didnt blow his cover much earlier, he put zero effort into them
Wait, People put effort into those?
I'm still confused as to what the guy was saying about "discord account widgets" or whatever personality test he was talking about.
@wickederebus If I'm running multiple alt accounts and don't want to be caught I'll surely have each account have a profile pic of a different style. His alts all have profile pics that seem like the same person came up with them
@@wickederebus Tons of Discord users take a short personality quiz because it gives your profile a badge, not any of his accounts did, making it seem even more unlikely that they are real people.
@I_Love_Learning not a single person in any server I've interacted with has taken one
@@I_Love_LearningI have never seen anyone ever do this and I wasn’t aware it existed until I read this comment
As i further watched it I kept thinking "oh my god he's palpatine"
Watching this about 4 years after my NS phase is like checking that the model car still works and it exoloding in your face
This LARPing is getting out of hand. Womp womp xP
/ j
I am loosing my grip on reality
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It's not larp if it's online that's just rp.
It’s not larp if it’s not live action, that’s literally the definition
@@misterbasileo*Pictured:*
the ai generated pfps on the alts as if it wasn't obvious enough already
Massive blunder on his part tbh
it wouldn’t of been that hard to not have them all be ai animals, right?
@@retinazer7652yeah, it would have been fairly easy to just select a variety of avatars semi-randomly
I don't get the hate on ai art.
If I can't find an artists willing to draw what I want, why shouldn't I make a computer that can?
@@wickederebus the generative AI wouldn't be able to draw what you want it to without non-consensually using other artists' work to train itself and copy their exact style. it goes beyond taking inspiration from another artist's work, it rips aspects of the art it's being trained on and slaps it together with other pieces of art to create your prompt. nothing it generates is actually new work, it's a frankenstein monster of other peoples' work. it does this with writing, too.
@@picksey4736also ai art is generally just ugly. It's too shiny and generally does absurd things that a human artist wouldn't, and not in a good way lol
Fezzian must feel like a king watching this and knowing he was absolutely vindicated by history in every way. Feel so bad for him knowing he should have had a landslide victory.
As a West Pacific loyalist for what must be nearly 6 years now, this whole topic is supremely fascinating. While I've dipped my toes into the occasional regional RP event here and there, the idea that one could get so invested in what is, in essence, an entirely synthetic and isolated government, as to orchestrate an elaborate internal plot to defraud its intended checks and balances and seize supreme command is utterly alien to me. Great job on keeping me hooked the whole way through.
- The Too-Well-Hidden Bunker of Podium, which has been motivated by this video to finally clear out my issues tab and start talking on the RMB again
Never thought that I'd have front row seats to internet essay level drama
This story is eerily similiar to my experience with the region North Ustaynga from 2016-2020, and based on the end of the video, I have serious concerns this may be the same person. A multi lingual man (spoke same languages as Alverra) who’s supposed wife, mother in law, and multiple childhood friends were all co moderators of the security council of that server was revealed to be one person. Many other alt accounts were uncovered. He had been rigging the elections and development and research for years, as well as culturally and socially manipulating the server through his extensive network of alts. He normalised bizarre in character behaviours that most real players disliked but were overruled by his network of alts. He scapegoated one nation, Omnum, in a similiar manner to how he degraded the leader of the opposition on Alcris. For years ive wondered what happened to him, and it sounds like he just continued his behaviour in Alcris. I believe this might be another layer to the drama that goes even deeper - happy to discuss further if it raises alarm bells for you as well?
I think he's done this dating back as long ago as 2011-12.
It's really interesting about those "idiosyncracies", as you called them.
I have many alt accounts, connected to various topics and interests. I wonder if someone could collect such characteristics, comb the internet and get a full picture of who I am or even dox me.
Scarry. Well, note to self "Stop putting so much of yourself on the internet!!!"
This comment by itself is probably a little too much.
Realistically, no, theyre is way too many bots and users on the internet for anyone to physically find you on it, its more likely someone would hack you, and stalk you to find such information than for it to be found naturally,
With the usage of AI though, that might change in the future
There are ways to disguise yourself and your patterns of behavior - everything from your login patterns to stylometry (how you choose to write) to what personalities you choose to represent can all be obfuscated to significant degrees. In practice, however, you're just not big enough of a fish to fry.
@@slizzysluzzer I can dream XP
One day I will hack "the bank", and become the best hacker you've ever heard of.
Bigger than Neil Breen himself.
And you wil have heard of me, because of my terrible opsec.
@@anonanon6596well. At least I can be sure that you're not a present or past member of any government agency, with a browser history like yours.
(Note: I am reading you for filth only as a backhanded way at reading _myself_ for filth, because I do the _exact same thing._ LOL!)
@@a-s-greigbro?
When the RP gets too realistic
Bro this is so true it hurts
Kind of curious what happened to the Aegis Union after Averra's sockpuppeting was revealed. How did they handle "one of their member states using sockpuppets to subvert their democratic processes" or what did they do with Averra's legislation?
The Aegis Union hasn't really been a thing for a long time, to my knowledge.
I was a leader of one of the AU member states, it got dismantled around jan 2023.
Apparently it got dismantled earlier because Alcris exited from it. Averra said he was doing too much compared to the others.
@@BluhBluhDuck deeply ironic, but then again maybe he just didnt care because it wasnt his special toy like Alcris
An hour long video essay about something I've never heard about
We eating good today
Watching this snowball in real time was one of the most surreal experiences of my life
knowing that a server I’m active in was once technically run like this (minus the one guy controlling alts and therefore the entire server’s governance) makes me so glad that it moved away from it two years ago. Some people just have too much time on their hands.
This is also a lesson in goverment
Being inghe goverment give you power, vut also responsabilities.
Who is the the type of person that wants the position?
1- those wanting to ABUSE the power and ignore responsabilities
2-Those who feel RESPONSIBLE to act and need power to do so.
Thus why 90% of politicians are corrupt sons of bitches.
They corrupt os the one who want the position the most, and the one willing to put more effort to get it
This is the first time ive heard of Discord governments, but im heavily invested
Bruh, I struggle with remembering my own name at times, then there's this guy who's just casually running 100 plus accounts
Hey, I was in Alcris for a bit! Right at the end, didn't realize all of this drama was in the server until the Dossier was sent in general lol
I love the internet for stuff like this.
1. People like democracy/politics enough to make an RP government on discord.
2. One person seems to have been corrupt just like in real life politics. (I'm not saying that they were or they weren't. Just that it seems like they were.)
3. This was a big enough of a deal that someone made an exposé about it.
And 4. That there is an hour long video for me to listen to while working.
Good job internet. Good job
I was the first Premier of Conifer and it’s so surreal to come back to this lore, recognising legacy-laden players from the very first days, still going through the NS motions (no pun intended) after 6 or 7 years. Shout out to Funky Goats (ex-Premier) who obviously got screwed by this scam despite having a great record of statespersonhood in Conifer history. Long live Evergreen Conifer! Does anyone know what came of Vyutsk in the end btw?
is that _the_ capucinn/athidill, in the flesh? it's been a while, old friend
if it isn't obvious, i'm Funky Goats, and yeah, it's weird to think that i've been on this site for this long now, and that i've gotten the chance to experience stuff like this
i suppose pouring my heart and my soul into alcris was worth it in a sense, because it means the rag-tag group of misfits we've been gathering since the conifer days has gotten some great new additions (and i can also add co-founder to my list of positions that i've held lol)
i only wish vyutsk was around to see us now
i hope that wherever he is, whether that's the afterlife or a high-up position in latvia, he's doing well and looking down at us with a smile, and his tongue sticking out
I'm hoping he's doing that in Latvia as opposed to the afterlife ...
i watched this entire video with my boyfriend, even though neither of us are even remotely into nationstates or government simulations, and we both got wildly invested in this drama. 10/10 video, can't wait for part 2
there's so much more NS drama-like, this is small fries compared to a mod being banned permanently because of (presumably) being a pdf, dozens of users being banned for using a script to destroy and grief other regions, a former mod fighting against the current mod team and their entire thread being deleted, the UN suing NS for using their name, two mods being doxxed...
11:00 this is unironically how they caught the unibomber
“You cannot eat your cake and have it” or something idk I’m not the FBI agent who caught Ted
You left, honed your skills, retrained yourself in the crafting of audiovisual entertainment, and returned with not a single gift, but the beginnings of something truly fascinating. I await your next entry with great interest, Mr. Garch.
In all seriousness, I can’t imagine doing all that just to maintain control of a hundred “citizens”. If you’re gonna fake something, at least do it right.
Holy cow, this is the kind of depth in subterfuge combined with excessive no-lifing I usually expect from EVE online politics...
Very nicely put together investigation and video.
“You fool, I have 70 alternative accounts!”
- Eggman
Woah! Crazy good video! So happy it showed up on my feed!! Complex political drama without anyone's irl livelihoods at stake? Perfect! I got such chills at the end!!!
This sounds like an Ace Combat fanfiction that went horribly wrong and forgot the air combat.
"Yo buddy, still alive?"
- this guy's dad after he didn't come out of his room for 2 weeks, probably
It literally took me until after the video to realize you were the same creator who did the Habbo Hotel Criminal Empire duology. How was I not already subscribed!? Excellent work on an absolutely horrifying topic!
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I thought this was just a random Discord video...
Then it was a NationStates one!?!?
Love your content! Just wanted to say, the algorithm can be brutal, if you don’t get the same views as before just know we still love your content, and we’ll keep watching until the algorithm comes back in your favor.
from the iconic haboo hotel videos to discord nations political drama
this man cannot miss
Kind of disappointed that the narrator didn't reveal himself to be Averra at the end or smth, that would have been genius
What the fuck. I’m not even judging people doing this, honestly I’m impressed as fuck. This is crazy man
I'm so glad that drama that would be relatively niche even WITHIN the NationStates community can find a broad audience. Incredible stuff.
I barely know what nationstates is I clicked for an interesting looking video and I got an interesting video
This randomly came up on my recommended- and I’m so glad it did.
The title caught my eye and I was surprised a video like this doesn’t have more views!
Genuinely thinking about this in a niche retrospect, that something this crazy happened in a community I didn’t even know existed until today… it’s just all so fascinating to me.
Not to mention the dedication and work you put into this is extremely commendable. So sending a massive props your way, and I’m very glad the algorithm picked your video up. Amazing video dude.
The intro and outro on this video are extraordinary man good job. I didn’t even know rp government existed yet I was captured by the intro and watched the entire thing, slowly peeling back the layers only for it to be revealed he learned those tricks of the trade from another server. Very well done
I JUST GOT INTO YOUR VIDEOS A FEW DAYS AGO AND WANTED MORE SO GLAD YOURE BACK OH MY GOD 🙏🙏🙏
Never thought you'd end up talking about NationStates of all things. Hilarious
The last six times I saw anything like this, the dictator actually had lackies and not just alts.
112 alts for a 120 member state is pretty wild
God, the music you used when introducing Southfield was so spot on! Such an awesome twist to the story to end on. The best video essay I’ve seen yet!
Reminds me of real politicians who run sockpuppet accounts pretending they are women or black to garner support for themselves
What a timely feeling video to be watching rn
Averra being the entire council and manipulating the entire playing board to become the Chancellor of the Aegis Union reminds me of another democracy-loving Chancellor with a secret persona who *also* was the entire Senate…
Makes me think that the new server he wanted to create to “preserve the world building” was gonna be called the Alcris Empire.
Oh my god a fellow Homestuck in the wild
Knowing nothing beforehand, this video feels like I just skipped the tutorial and introduction cutscenes.
Teenagers have so much time on their hands haha, imagine how much time it costs just to keep logging in and out with all those accounts
If they're a teenager, they started it all as a preteen... but the level of organisation and such very much makes me think that *at minimum* they are no longer a teenager nowdays.
I am surprised it lasted any time at all, it sounds very tiring to do for virtual status
Nah just unemployed
@@BismuthBorealisYou'd be surprised at what teenagers that become politic weebs can do in their freetime
Teens have homework school and exams, this is obviously an unemployed adult
A compelling narrative from a fandom I barely know anything about. Great work!
Drama about something I have never heard about. The TH-cam algorithm did a good job for a change
time to use this video to not get caught managing 1000 nationstates now
womp womp
Pictured: a terrible joke
/ j
xP
im loosing my mind
@@Hazzy113 *Pictured:* a formatting mistake
That was one of the best intros i have ever seen, a true masterclass in intros. bravo.
I have no interest in NationStates or even government roleplay, but this video was very entertaining. I'm surprised I actually watched to the end, considering it's length. Very good job on the visuals and even better at story telling.
The YT recommendations blessed my feed with this one.
Really well put together video, I really enjoyed the extent of your vocabulary as well!
this is so well done!! and what an interesting story. the dedication it takes to have so many alt accounts is both impressive and terrifying.
This video was a very cold, deep, and sudden plunge into an internet micro-community that I didn’t even know existed.
Damn this was a good vid. As one of the people on that independence document it’s nice to see this get the attention is deserves.
A shame someone went through all that and crushed several tight knit communities just for some power on a roleaying website
Great video! Read the dossier but this is even better.
Never have I ever been so invested in something I just found out existed.
I have checked out the rest of your videos and they are all fantastic! I honestly hope that you release more in the future.
This is so fun to watch. Like genuinely well done for making this because I learnt a lot of really interesting today :)
The Return of the King!
you were the 2nd comment
as someone who runs two separate accounts and is terrified of people discovering they're both me this guy's lack of self-preservation is astonishing. how often do you see people using ai generated animals as their profile pictures? not nearly enough for twenty accounts using it to not be weird
Man I remember your last upload and I was like "oh cool he hasn't uploaded in a while" then I saw how long "a while" was.
The analysis of the way of writing being an identification indicator reminds me of Spencer Reid in that one episode of criminal minds, with the partners sharing a chat account
This man dropping all this info, some weird drama never heard of- and leaves us on a cliff hanger mannnnnn
Jk all love this video was fucking wild ride, can’t wait to see what happens next !!!
I have been never so excited for a youtube notification! Loved the start of this incredible and complex story! 🎉
Hello! Yuio from State of Democracy Thanks for mentioning our server 👍
a trolligarch video in 2024? i never thought i would see the day
this was phenomenal. subscribed. cant wait to see what you do in the future ❤
Interesting how this makes clear that we can be identified by our language use with a large enough dataset.
*taking notes on how to hide identity more effectively*
Thanks to youtube for recommending me this for reasons entirely unknown. This was one hell of a wild ride to go down while having absolutely no prior knowledge or context of these types of communities even existing.
Geez. This bubbled up in my recs and... great noodly appendages. Bob's pipe. Josh of Nazareth. The ending gave me whiplash.
Some are theorising multiple personalities, but it's more like a novelist. Some of these accounts are paper thin background extras, some main cast supports... but there's only one main character.
yeah there's no way they're plural (more modern term for "multiple personalities"). plural people online, in my experience, usually either (1) hide it (because being plural is not really yet societally acceptable unfortunately) or (2) use one account with ways of distinguishing who exactly is speaking (on discord PluralKit is usually used for this purpose). nobody makes multiple alts and pretends each alt is entirely unrelated from eachother unless they're trying to do sockpuppetry.
@@thezipcreator Seconding this (speaking from experience)
@thezipcreator The modern term for Multiple Personality Disorder is Dissociative Identity Disorder. People with this disorder aren't "plural", they're people with DID. The "plural" thing was made up by attention-seekers pretending to have DID because they think it's cool, ignoring how DID is a serious mental disorder that is caused by extreme emotional trauma and greatly impacts DID sufferers' daily functioning. Please don't romanticize mental health issues.
@@thezipcreator Stop calling them "plural". DID is a serious mental disorder which only arises from severe early childhood trauma. It is not cute or quirky.
@vamp2250 Exactly. The "plural" thing was made up by people faking DID for attention.