Cougar 23MLS - The perfect fifth wheel for a half-ton truck!
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- This weeks Feature Friday is all about the Cougar 23MLS. This is the perfect fifth wheel for a half-ton truck! Coming in at only 7,080 pounds it's light and still has all the features you love in a fifth-wheel.
Love this VIEDO , streight to the point, and no opening up drawers or opening cabinets ‼️‼️👍👍👍♥️♥️♥️
Smart. As small as this thing is, they still managed to put the tv directly across from the recliners.
Gotta have priorities! 🤣
Love these smaller 5th wheels wish there were more choices!
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Cougar has a few options, you might like the 23MLE walnutridgerv.com/fifth-wheels/cougar-xlite-fifth-wheels/ or one of the new Cougar Sports walnutridgerv.com/cougar-sport-by-keystone/
there are more and more, Grand Design has some as well
A couch next to the fridge...I would never leave that thing, cold beer all day long at my finger tips :)
Just stay home..
@@mikebronc2902 then I wouldn’t be camping...
I like this layout alot been looking for a small 5th wheel only changes I would make (single dude with friends who come over on week ends) I would take out the full fridge and put a mini next to the sink remove the dinet put a sofa there and put the TV (larger and with electric fireplace under) where the recliners are
This is a very nice small fifth wheel. I've seen it in person. One caveat though...There are 2 sewer drain lines to hook up. One is below the convenience center like normal but the other one is located near the back of the trailer due to the rear kitchen and it's connection and pull handle are buried behind the slide back there. Otherwise compact and light. Nothing is perfect.
It seems like a nice unit, but to be honest... the wide angle lens used to record this video makes it difficult to assess just how good it is. It makes it look unrealistically large inside.
excellent video, short and to the point, smart advertising, I live in North Carolina but would drive to your dealership to purchase!
Love the idea of a smaller fifth wheel. As another viewer mentioned not sure I would use a half ton to tow it. Love the layout. Saw the aluminum joists in the floor. Is that through out the entire RV? Is it’s laminate or using Asdell? I’ll check the online specs. Thanks for the tour.
Glad you enjoyed the tour. I am not 100% sure on your laminate question, but I am sure you can find that by looking more into the specs. Happy Camping!
Nah man, too heavy for most 1/2 tons. Dry weight is 7100 lbs with 1330 lbs Pin weight. Leaves less than 400lbs for occupants and cargo in most of the 1/2 tons out there. 90% of the 1/2 ton trucks 1300-1850 payload, You need a payload of 2000lbs plus for one of these to actually use it safely once its wet and ready to camp. The 1/2 tons available that can do this usually are not on the lot and you have to order them special costing more $ due to lack of bargaining power. The 1/2 ton you need will cost you the same as a base 3/4 ton truck that's already on the lot. Bad advice telling people they can just use their 1/2 ton for this like it doesn't matter. People need to do some research, a Platinum Super Crew Diesel F-250 has less than 2000lbs of payload. A Gas base model F-250 would do it. A special order max payload F-150 would too as long as it does not have too many fancy options but try and find one on a dealer lot with all the incentive's and discounts, nah that's like finding the Holy Grail in under my front porch.
Well said.
Thank you. If you have a typical 1/2 ton, want to be safe and want a 5th wheel, this is the one escapetrailer.com/the-5-0-escape/. 3900lbs dry, 5500lbs GVWR with less than 1,000lbs on the pin
@@SignalCorps1 order a new one now and 12/2022 or later delivery time... I'm looking...
I have the Holy Grail, its for sale.
There’s a lot of F150s out there that can tow it with a proper payload. Just sold a 2022 F150 SuperCab I bought to haul a slide in camper and it had just over 2,000 lbs payload. I would prefer a 6.5 ft box for towing 5th wheels still. I know there’s hitches etc so you can do it with the 5.5 ft beds, but they have no room to haul anything. It’s surprising what that extra foot offers. Once you are into a 1/2 ton F150 SuperCab 2015 or newer you are likely (not always) into a truck with enough payload. The SuperCab’s payload starts around 1800 lbs and goes up from there. Lots with the 2,000 lb range.
Problem is with 1/2 tons that owners want every option on the books and that gets heavy!! It kills the payload. Problem with a 3/4 ton is if it is a daily driver between weekends, you pay for it!! Fuel, ride, and at the point of purchase. I don’t like the comment, if you get a base one it costs the same as a loaded F150. People that buy a base 3/4 ton would have been looking at a base 1/2 ton. The base 1/2 ton, especially Ford, will likely have enough payload and be a lot cheaper. Apples to apples comparisons. The payloads of the most recent 1/2 tons keep getting higher and higher. Aluminum is a good material for that. Thing is when aluminum hits the scrapyard it is recyclable. If you recycle 100 lbs of aluminum, you get 100 lbs of aluminum for every other purpose out there (basically).
Nice one. Only concern I’d have is quality with these cougars, overall. Depending on price, they would make a good choice for several years.
Cougars seem to be built cheap, delaminating over time and discolouration of outside. Built on the cheaper side of things
From my visits to RV trade shows in the DFW area in 2022… you are sadly correct. Every and I mean EVERY Keystone product had peeling backsplashes, falling trim, TV’s ripped off their mounts, non-functional light switches, flooring… hell just so many flaws it made me thing they didn’t care what went out the door. All RV’s are built cheap, they buy cheap components, but Keystones are the only manufacturer who seems to not care at all about quality.
what is the hitch weight? i find towing capacity on these trailers is not nearly as big of a problem as pin weight and truck payload.
Pin weight is typically 20% of GVWR. So this unit is 10K GVW equals 2,000 lb. Only a few 1/2 ton trucks can carry this. 2 wheel drive, long bed {you’ll want to turn) and regular cab with a max tow package. If you have this unicorn truck I’d still not use it. It won’t have the sway control you’ll need. 3/4 ton minimum in my opinion.
@@duke9173 10k is the weight on this?
@@stevepemberton1273 yes. 7107lb dry with 2893lb cargo. Could a 1/2ton pull it? Sure. Should you? NO! Again it would take the unicorn 1/2ton to be in legal GVW. 3/4ton minimum for safety sake.
@@duke9173 i find it ridiculous that all of these dealers keep saying half ton towable just to get the sale.. they should be saying a properly equipped half ton with appropriate payload.. by the time you put in the fuel weight, and the people in the cab.. very few half tons could or should be towing this
Check out Hayley RV and Big Truck RV if you haven’t already, both these channels and straight shooters
I would hesitate to tow this 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton truck. You’d better run the numbers on the payload and hitch weight . He failed to mention that all 1/2 aren’t created to handle that type of camper. Check out Big Truck and RV, he’ll give you a lot of good information on payload , hitch weight and vehicle towing capacity. Not just say it’s half-ton towable. Let the buyer beware.
I wouldn’t’ hesitate with the right half ton. No don’t check out Big Truck Big RV, he’s an idiot extremely biased against half tons even though some have more capacity than older heavy duty trucks, and more than enough payload to handle this fifth wheel easily.
I would never pull a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton truck.
BTBRV is absolutely not biased against 1/2 ton trucks. He is biased against people unknowingly overloading 1/2 ton trucks because the dealers (both truck and RV dealers) will tell you that you can tow something bigger than the truck is actually capable of. BTBRV has educated thousands of viewers including myself about towing capacity vs payload capacity. It is indeed rare to find a 1/2 ton truck paired to a fifth wheel that is not overloaded. Not saying it cannot be done, but it is rare.
I had a salesman try to convince me my half ton could easily pull a 13,000 lb toy hauler. Some of these salesmen are shady as hell.
To his credit, he said if you have a 1/2 ton, you could tow it. He never said you SHOULD.
There are only 2 half-tons that can tow this. The first one is an F-150 with the heavy duty payload package (the max trailer package is useless unless coupled with the HDPP). That truck has a payload rating anywhere between 2500 to 2700 pounds in crew cab configuration. The second one would be a Nissan Titan XD. Nothing from GM or Ram and nothing with a 5.5ft bed will work.
exactly
6.0 chevy would pull that all day long
@@zoomba31 Until something very important broke because it is so much over payload. Then, there goes everything you own if there is an injury.
@@crankybastid2197 lol you wouldn’t fill this thing anywhere close to its gvwr of 10,000 lbs, especially with a dry weight is 7100. Would load and easily tow this thing at 8,000 lbs, which would mean a pin of 1600 (20% max). F-150 HDPP would easily handle this with 800 lbs of payload to spare give or take. Most extra shit (snacks, beer etc) will go in the fifth wheel, hitch maybe 100 lbs, wouldn’t need air bags, driver and fuel are included in payload..... maybe your wife weighs 800 lbs but most don’t.
Nissan Tian XD payload is nowhere near the F-150 hdpp. Non hdpp half tons can easily be had with 2000 lbs + of payload, a 5.5’ box will work easily with a Reese Revolution hitch (different pivot point), allowing 90 degree turns.
Keystone puts king size beds in their half-ton Cougars.
Thanks for review
Maybe a 1/2 ton regular cab, 2 wheel drive with a tow package but even then, don’t forget to add passenger weight, gasoline, propane, batteries, and everything you load in the trailer. BBQ, food, water, TV’s. It is just not safe.
We bought a 23MLS a couple of weeks ago. Hope my F150 Lariat with 3.5 Ecoboost will be able to tow this rig without any issues.
Congrats!! What year is your truck? The 23MLS is so light weight for a fifth-wheel, and has a great floorplan. Where is your first adventure going to be?
How's the truck handle this trailer? Does it have the HDPP?
Love.it.
Can you access the bathroom without putting the slide out.
no
And not the bed also...
I’d like to see the hookups
I have a travel trailer around the same weight as this and I pull it with a half ton chevy and I would way rather pull the same weight in a fifth wheel than a travel trailer
yes but the pin weight of this is over 1400 lbs.. your trucks payload isnt rated for that when you put people and fuel and whatever lese in your truck.. a travel trailer of the same weight has a hitch weight of about 700 lbs.. you cant compare the two
My dry weight is 7680lb and hitch is over 1000lb. I have pulled both. All I'm saying is pulling the same weight in a trailer or fifth wheel I felt more comfortable pulling the fifth wheel. Trailers all the weight is many feet behind the axle, whith a fifth wheel its slightly ahead of the axle. This is just my experience and opinion. My Silverado has a payload of 1906 with the max tow package
Check with your insurance co. Some are starting to look real hard at Payload if you are involved in an accident. Any reason to not pay a claim.
@@daviddouglass7662 Does your insurance pay if you are speeding and have an accident? How about texting or drinking? Or if you run a stop sign?
Looking to import one of these to United Kingdom, any help?
Didn't mention the weight.
How long is it?
26'10"
Length? Price? Link for more info? Needs more info
Unfortunately, they no longer make that model. You might like the 23MLE - walnutridgervsouth.com/floorplan/cougar-half-ton-23mle/
I’m really interested in this trailer I have a half ton pick up truck that’s a little beefed up for towing and I’m looking for a fifth wheel just for two people text me and let me know what it cost I’d be curious is it under 40,000
Unfortunately, we no longer have that floorplan. You might like the 23MLE walnutridgerv.com/fifth-wheels/cougar-xlite-fifth-wheels/ Or perhaps the new Cougar Sports walnutridgerv.com/cougar-sport-by-keystone/
I wouldn't use anything smaller than a 3/4 ton for a camper this size.
my Tundra would probably pull it but it might kill it eventually.
It has nothing to do with towing weight and everything to due with payload
I doubt it would kill a Tundra. Those Tundras are built as heavy as a 1 ton Dodge, look underneath.
No numbers? Weight? Pin weight? Which half ton? V6 n/a half ton? do we need a V8/v6ecoboost/v6diesel option? How much payload does our half ton need? Nothing about this video proves its half ton towable..
Weight: 7,107lbs | Pin Weight: 1,335lbs
walnutridgerv.com/floorplan/cougar-half-ton-23mls/
not many 1/2 tons that will pull that... payload would kill "most", yeah there are a few, but not many.
I agree, my comfort level is 6000lbs max.
I don’t know a single 1/2 to that will.
@@bednar1435 Ford F-150
@@bednar1435 I own a Chevrolet Silverado with the advantage tow package 6.2 10 speed and in top of the rear axle is 3,800 lbs and tow 15,000 lbs .
So what is the weight I wonder?
7140 pounds empty, hitch weight 1335 lbs
@@billnelson3732 That’s not how you figure payload. You have to use the GVWR which is around 10,000lbs. So 2,000lbs on the pit
How much does this weighs
7,1116lbs
Don’tlisten to him. That’s the dry weight. You need to consider the GVWR which is around 10,000lbs. This unit is NOT 1/2 ton towable
How much money?
Robert Woods I know we have a show currently and they are featured, so our show price is $34,985. www.walnutridgerv.com/search-inventory/?inventory=23mls&x=0&y=0&filter-products=
Can you tow a boat behind this?
would depend on your state laws
@@AGreatAdventure My state like most states allows total lenght upto 70feet. I need 5th wheel to be able to handle 3500 ibs on its hitch. So the 5th wheel’s hitch has to be welded to its frame not just a flimsy bumper....
@@TKO-wu2uw This specific unit has a 2" towing hitch with 3,000 lb. towing capacity...so that won't work for you :-(
How can a 500kg truck tow that?
Great for half ton said over and over but no dry weight no gvrw no bitch weight
Dry - 7,080lbs
Hitch - 1,335
Carry capacity - 2,893lbs
Too heavy for my 1/2 ton.
I have a 2005 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT 5.7 liter hemi. Would this be a good fit?
Too heavy for most of the 1/2 tons the general public buys off the lot.
@@loveoneanotherasihaveloved8327 NO, research, research, research. NEVER let the RV salesperson tell you if your tow vehicle will tow the rig that you are thinking about buying because most all of them will respond with the proverbial “sure”. Shop and research smartly.
@@loveoneanotherasihaveloved8327 Too many variables in that truck line (and the other manufacturers as well) to answer that question accurately. Things like 2wd vs 4x4, standard vs crew cab, etc., CAN significantly vary the payload weight. Most full sized 1/2 ton trucks have the towing capacity (pulling weight), but the crucial factor is the pin weight of the trailer vs the truck's payload weight. Even if the trailer's pin weight is less than a 1/2 ton truck's payload weight, it's usually not by very much (a couple/few hundred pounds). Once you start adding the weight of all your personal items: camping gear, clothing, food, water, waste water, etc., you can easily push that past the limit.
Too much payload for a Tundra....trying to make a sale without regard to safety. Never want to tow something at the outer limits of vehicle. Few if any 1/2 tons could tow safely.
Way to short a video with little information on the specifications.
What’s the the weight ???
7,140lbs
How much?
walnutridgerv.com/search-inventory/?inventory=23mls&filter-products=