@@aelfredrex8354 "all before is wiped away" lol, fuck outta here with that lying ass shit, of course pasts matter, that's the damn example of conduct you need to peep before throwing your life away...
@@aelfredrex8354I disagree I believe the op is talking about habits, you’re talking about decisions You can decide whatever you want, but habits still prevail
@@fungab1446 Habits can be broken. I stopped smoking cold turkey. I had many chances to play around on my wife but I kept the vow. She had old flings nosing around but she kept it to. Neither of us was chaste before marriage, yet fidelity occurred. That is actually the norm.
You really do only need one. My first girlfriend became my wife. And a lot of dudes that I know that have slept around throughout their life, have trouble finding the one because they can't form a bond due to being promiscuous. I was the last one to ever get a girlfriend but the very first one to find my person.
Exactly. It use to be that your father taught you how to be a man, how to conduct yourself, and ultimately how to court a woman. In an optimal situation you would be raised with a mother and father in healthy marriage. You would then model that behavior. Use it as your blueprint. This idea that men need to have "experience" or go through trauma is nonsense. The research matches what you've mentioned. The more sexual partners you've had, the more difficult it is to pair bond. The risk is higher for women but it still applies to promiscuous men.
I just find the idea that you need to date half the world to be able to vet people properly is be completely illogical. People just want to justify their promiscuous habits and not feel guilty, imo. Because you certainly don’t have to date around to know who to pick. You need to know who you feel attracted to, and you need to observe the couples around you. Both good and bad relationships around you are teaching opportunities. That’s more than enough to know what to ask for in a partner and who to stay away from.
I agree with Zuby. You just need one, and it's about dating intentionally using a criteria that ensures sustainability in marriage, and the person choosing to commit to you. You can't just date the whole world looking for compatibility and figuring out what you like. Successful married couples have always emphasized that the criteria a person needs is kindness, self-motivation and financial prudence/literacy/independence. Date with this criteria and place less weight on other factors, you'll surely find a person who can sustain marriage with you as your love grows overtime and becomes stronger and deeper.
If you have built the required character, self knowledge and virtue there is no need to sleep with or even date large numbers of women. It becomes very easy to determine if a woman has the characteristics required for a lifetime relationship. It has been well documented that sleeping with women you are not married to is harmful to them emotionally and if you go around harming people for your own gratification then it’s clear you are not the type of person any decent woman would consider as a mate. Straighten yourself out first, then finding the one becomes likely. Being a MIMBO just demonstrates you are damaged goods.
Speaking as a woman, being approached in public or on the internet by a stranger is an instant turnoff. I’d much prefer being approached by a friend from church or school. Someone I already have a history with.
The problem is dating. Dating is not going to lead to a spouse. Bring back courtships. I courted my wife and we decided to get married after a few weeks of talking to each other. If you're focusing on dating and hookups, you'll have a hard time getting to marriage.
I respect how Adam set that up. That woman was quick to cut off the the guy saying it's hard for women to find men. But when Adam peeled back the surface of her statement she admits she never approaches men and gets hit on all the time. She's not searching for anyone, she's just hoping from the plethora of men that try to approach her one will be what she likes.
What about the average women? The majority of them are average. I know many girls have these high standards. Many guys do to. Hot looking. Makes decent money....ect... These people discussing things aren't exactly average. Can we say it is hard ans confusing for both parties? Esp. With this hook up dating culture
That’s how it works. I’ve seen 5-10 men hitting on the one beautiful woman while ignoring all the rest. Go figure. Could it be about the competition and nothing else? In the meantime the average man and woman are hooking up no problem.
@michellespiked4772 💯. The guy who isn't average is also speaking for "average" men. Those men there are not average and have many guys trying to get their attention and is in their DM's.
What about the average girls? These ppl in the discussions isn't average. I also know of many guys with high expectations. Girl needs to be hot (skinny/fit) ect.... I think we can agree that us average folks Don't have it easy. It is confusing and tough.....esp with the hook up culture.
Thanks for bringing this up. These conversations never acknowledge average women exist too. Red pill dudes only seem to be obsessed with the opinions of pretty above average women and never acknowledge the average woman. Not every girl is an insanely hot baddie that gets loads of male attention. A lot of women are late bloomers and go unnoticed by men too. It seems red pill men are mad about the cut-throat rejection of the small percentage of hot girls they chase and unfairly blame all women for it.
Many of us dont live in cities of a million people. I get his point and agree with it to some degree but your options are less in more rural settings. Living in different places has its advantages and disadvantages
The reason y some men suggest 50 women is simply because of the awareness that women r now prosmicuous. Let's stop acting like we don't no whats going on
So much gold here... A guy does need to endure hardship to become stronger. One-itis is a problem where a guy overinvests in the romantic illusion of a woman. One good woman will change everything. Experiencing a lot of women will help you appreciate that better one when you do find her.
Im not smart enough to get it right the first time. I needed to mess up a lot before i was able to see how amazing my wife is. I did lose the ability to pairbond from being an f boi, but i was too extreme the other way if i just married the first girl.
the girl to the right with all the tattoos unfortunately lacks class, The tattoos dont help with her beauty which will fade in about 5-10 years. All the attention builds a false sense of identity. Zuby on the other hand is world class act.
@@abumansaray7 50 is a placeholder number it’s not an exact one. He even says it doesn’t have to exactly 50. It s number to determine what woman is worthy to be with you . Vet them . Every guy know there isn’t many women that are fit to be good wives.
@@Garett.1214 you do not have to sleep with a woman to vet her. Giving an arbitrary number such as 50, and then saying well any number will suffice, is a contradiction. Perhaps it is you that lacks the critical thinking.
@@abumansaray7 Second most men are awkward and can’t even approach women. So it needs to be second nature and getting through a lot of women can do that .
the point of what f n f said and is you need some kind of experience the exact direct number isnt important idk why its so hard to understand that. Bu you need some degree of experience to understand and deal with modern women and the dating market could be 1 could be 50 everyones number is different
Women will blow a gasket when guys like Myron say guys should put in work getting experienced, collectively forgetting that they will ghost a guy on the spot for giving them bad (or even just forgettable) eggplant on the 1st date. Because women love holding out hope for a lifestyle & outcome that're directly at odds with one another. Expert peach plucker + first time doing it (and ONLY interested in doing it with you). Makes perfect sense.
Because they constantly talk about how many women they’ve slept with. All those types do. In short, they don’t frame their point well based on what they act and say.
@@mrbubbles6468 'I don't care what the point is! I'm here to personally attack a person I've never met because of inferences I've made about their personality that I subsequently took personally myself!!' 🙄
He said you need 50 bodies so you can know how to deal with women. That’s a dumb asses assessment. People get married with there first gf all the time. And by the way fnf goofs are not that good looking. They are for sure paying for the box.
And what’s wrong with that? Men do the same thing. Men don’t notice every girl in the room as a potential mate, they just notice the girls they deem pretty. What’s the mansophere obsession with framing women as evil or immoral simply for being selective in dating? Dating is inherently discriminatory, everyone isn’t going to be liked by everyone.
@@mimia.4810 I didn't frame her as evil or immoral, I'm just pointing out her hypocrisy. She's either downplaying the number to avoid losing the debate, or she's oblivious to how many men actually try their luck with her. Most women don't realize how easy it is for them to find a date and that's a good example of that. An average man would remember every single woman who hits on him because of how rare it is.
This is nonsense. Most average looking women are not approached by dozens of men. (And to be clear, most ppl, including men, are average looking, hence "average"). But men all want to marry a gorgeous woman and are then surprised when she's not faithful - choose your partner based on more than looks (ie how ppl approach them) and you're off to a much better start.
That's a lie. There are way more beautiful women than men. Average is not bad-looking to men. You got it wrong. Start an Instagram exercise and eat right and I guarantee you get more DMS than any guy.
Whether it’s 50, 49 or 1 is besides the point Zuby, and frankly it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise. This so-called debate is a distraction, a deviation from the larger point which the boys at FnF attempt to convey in their podcast consistently. #bigpicture ✌🏾🕊️
If you do not practice chastity before marriage do not expect to practice fidelity
Marriage is a scam
No. Both take an oath at marriage. All before is wiped away. Then it's a question of respect and friendship.
@@aelfredrex8354 "all before is wiped away" lol, fuck outta here with that lying ass shit, of course pasts matter, that's the damn example of conduct you need to peep before throwing your life away...
@@aelfredrex8354I disagree
I believe the op is talking about habits, you’re talking about decisions
You can decide whatever you want, but habits still prevail
@@fungab1446 Habits can be broken. I stopped smoking cold turkey. I had many chances to play around on my wife but I kept the vow. She had old flings nosing around but she kept it to. Neither of us was chaste before marriage, yet fidelity occurred. That is actually the norm.
You really do only need one. My first girlfriend became my wife. And a lot of dudes that I know that have slept around throughout their life, have trouble finding the one because they can't form a bond due to being promiscuous. I was the last one to ever get a girlfriend but the very first one to find my person.
Exactly. It use to be that your father taught you how to be a man, how to conduct yourself, and ultimately how to court a woman. In an optimal situation you would be raised with a mother and father in healthy marriage. You would then model that behavior. Use it as your blueprint. This idea that men need to have "experience" or go through trauma is nonsense. The research matches what you've mentioned. The more sexual partners you've had, the more difficult it is to pair bond. The risk is higher for women but it still applies to promiscuous men.
Yea but she only became your wife because you're a simp
Same with me
@@boywonder4509100% agree! We are living in a world without morals and ethics.
Women cant find a bond. Men dont need to be married or qualify to women.
Maybe try building relationships instead of hitting on women at the club or sliding into their DMs.
Do YOu think that is easy for men?
I just find the idea that you need to date half the world to be able to vet people properly is be completely illogical. People just want to justify their promiscuous habits and not feel guilty, imo. Because you certainly don’t have to date around to know who to pick. You need to know who you feel attracted to, and you need to observe the couples around you. Both good and bad relationships around you are teaching opportunities. That’s more than enough to know what to ask for in a partner and who to stay away from.
Well said
YOu find it illogical as a woman? that is rich. YOu think there are plenty of women out here that follow the lead of man?
I agree with Zuby. You just need one, and it's about dating intentionally using a criteria that ensures sustainability in marriage, and the person choosing to commit to you. You can't just date the whole world looking for compatibility and figuring out what you like. Successful married couples have always emphasized that the criteria a person needs is kindness, self-motivation and financial prudence/literacy/independence. Date with this criteria and place less weight on other factors, you'll surely find a person who can sustain marriage with you as your love grows overtime and becomes stronger and deeper.
Lots of side-eye taking place in this interview! Lol!
If you have built the required character, self knowledge and virtue there is no need to sleep with or even date large numbers of women. It becomes very easy to determine if a woman has the characteristics required for a lifetime relationship. It has been well documented that sleeping with women you are not married to is harmful to them emotionally and if you go around harming people for your own gratification then it’s clear you are not the type of person any decent woman would consider as a mate. Straighten yourself out first, then finding the one becomes likely. Being a MIMBO just demonstrates you are damaged goods.
Speaking as a woman, being approached in public or on the internet by a stranger is an instant turnoff. I’d much prefer being approached by a friend from church or school. Someone I already have a history with.
Fresh & Fit are a couple of clown boys.
At least they are being reamed in court or have women walk all over them.
The problem is dating. Dating is not going to lead to a spouse. Bring back courtships. I courted my wife and we decided to get married after a few weeks of talking to each other. If you're focusing on dating and hookups, you'll have a hard time getting to marriage.
"Most men are not worth it".
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There you go gentlemen, straight from the horse's mouth.
The only reason Zuby is talking like this is due to his Nigerian upbringing.
Being promiscuous in many African countries is often frowned upon.
I respect how Adam set that up. That woman was quick to cut off the the guy saying it's hard for women to find men. But when Adam peeled back the surface of her statement she admits she never approaches men and gets hit on all the time. She's not searching for anyone, she's just hoping from the plethora of men that try to approach her one will be what she likes.
What about the average women? The majority of them are average.
I know many girls have these high standards.
Many guys do to. Hot looking. Makes decent money....ect...
These people discussing things aren't exactly average.
Can we say it is hard ans confusing for both parties? Esp. With this hook up dating culture
That’s how it works. I’ve seen 5-10 men hitting on the one beautiful woman while ignoring all the rest. Go figure. Could it be about the competition and nothing else? In the meantime the average man and woman are hooking up no problem.
Maybe if you look like a Barbie or a model but "average" looking women do not have this hit rate. At all.
@michellespiked4772 💯. The guy who isn't average is also speaking for "average" men. Those men there are not average and have many guys trying to get their attention and is in their DM's.
What about the average girls? These ppl in the discussions isn't average.
I also know of many guys with high expectations. Girl needs to be hot (skinny/fit) ect....
I think we can agree that us average folks Don't have it easy. It is confusing and tough.....esp with the hook up culture.
Thanks for bringing this up. These conversations never acknowledge average women exist too. Red pill dudes only seem to be obsessed with the opinions of pretty above average women and never acknowledge the average woman. Not every girl is an insanely hot baddie that gets loads of male attention. A lot of women are late bloomers and go unnoticed by men too. It seems red pill men are mad about the cut-throat rejection of the small percentage of hot girls they chase and unfairly blame all women for it.
Agreed.
Being fit and attractive is high expectations?
Women never approach dudes, and then say dating is tough, cmon
Many of us dont live in cities of a million people. I get his point and agree with it to some degree but your options are less in more rural settings. Living in different places has its advantages and disadvantages
I can't tell if they're talking about talking to many people before settling down or just having a high body count before settling down. 😅
Dude sounds like a penny stock pump n dumper at the end. Lol.
The reason y some men suggest 50 women is simply because of the awareness that women r now prosmicuous. Let's stop acting like we don't no whats going on
So much gold here... A guy does need to endure hardship to become stronger. One-itis is a problem where a guy overinvests in the romantic illusion of a woman. One good woman will change everything. Experiencing a lot of women will help you appreciate that better one when you do find her.
PREACH ZUBY!
Big Facts!!!!!!!
Im not smart enough to get it right the first time. I needed to mess up a lot before i was able to see how amazing my wife is.
I did lose the ability to pairbond from being an f boi, but i was too extreme the other way if i just married the first girl.
the girl to the right with all the tattoos unfortunately lacks class, The tattoos dont help with her beauty which will fade in about 5-10 years. All the attention builds a false sense of identity. Zuby on the other hand is world class act.
What science did Myron use to arrive at 50? Why not 10? Why not 100? Or 2? Lmao
You lack critical thinking.
@@Garett.1214 lmao! Please, Mr. Critical thinker, enlighten me.
@@abumansaray7 50 is a placeholder number it’s not an exact one. He even says it doesn’t have to exactly 50. It s number to determine what woman is worthy to be with you . Vet them . Every guy know there isn’t many women that are fit to be good wives.
@@Garett.1214 you do not have to sleep with a woman to vet her. Giving an arbitrary number such as 50, and then saying well any number will suffice, is a contradiction. Perhaps it is you that lacks the critical thinking.
@@abumansaray7 Second most men are awkward and can’t even approach women. So it needs to be second nature and getting through a lot of women can do that .
It is just an excuse to sleep around with a bunch of people before settling down.
And this distinction is why I'm not subscribed to F&F....and why I AM subscribed to the Sultan of Positivity.
the point of what f n f said and is you need some kind of experience the exact direct number isnt important idk why its so hard to understand that. Bu you need some degree of experience to understand and deal with modern women and the dating market could be 1 could be 50 everyones number is different
Women will blow a gasket when guys like Myron say guys should put in work getting experienced, collectively forgetting that they will ghost a guy on the spot for giving them bad (or even just forgettable) eggplant on the 1st date.
Because women love holding out hope for a lifestyle & outcome that're directly at odds with one another.
Expert peach plucker + first time doing it (and ONLY interested in doing it with you).
Makes perfect sense.
Because they constantly talk about how many women they’ve slept with. All those types do. In short, they don’t frame their point well based on what they act and say.
@@mrbubbles6468
'I don't care what the point is! I'm here to personally attack a person I've never met because of inferences I've made about their personality that I subsequently took personally myself!!'
🙄
He said you need 50 bodies so you can know how to deal with women. That’s a dumb asses assessment. People get married with there first gf all the time. And by the way fnf goofs are not that good looking. They are for sure paying for the box.
@@ephraimwinslowAre you talking about yourself?
"5 guys"
Translation: 5 guys she thought were attractive. The 50 others she forgot the second after she turned them down.
And what’s wrong with that? Men do the same thing. Men don’t notice every girl in the room as a potential mate, they just notice the girls they deem pretty. What’s the mansophere obsession with framing women as evil or immoral simply for being selective in dating? Dating is inherently discriminatory, everyone isn’t going to be liked by everyone.
@@mimia.4810 I didn't frame her as evil or immoral, I'm just pointing out her hypocrisy. She's either downplaying the number to avoid losing the debate, or she's oblivious to how many men actually try their luck with her. Most women don't realize how easy it is for them to find a date and that's a good example of that. An average man would remember every single woman who hits on him because of how rare it is.
this is satanic
This is nonsense.
Most average looking women are not approached by dozens of men.
(And to be clear, most ppl, including men, are average looking, hence "average"). But men all want to marry a gorgeous woman and are then surprised when she's not faithful - choose your partner based on more than looks (ie how ppl approach them) and you're off to a much better start.
That's a lie. There are way more beautiful women than men. Average is not bad-looking to men. You got it wrong. Start an Instagram exercise and eat right and I guarantee you get more DMS than any guy.
Social media has been a cancer to dating dating back when you had to go out in REAL LIFE and you had to face reality.
Whether it’s 50, 49 or 1 is besides the point Zuby, and frankly it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise. This so-called debate is a distraction, a deviation from the larger point which the boys at FnF attempt to convey in their podcast consistently.
#bigpicture
✌🏾🕊️
Exactly it's about vetting and finding the woman who will follow directions and your lead as a man. How many are out there like that?