Why So Many Talented Musicians Never Make It

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ความคิดเห็น • 623

  • @taehwiniM
    @taehwiniM 7 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    I earned my whoe life playing classical guitar in the subway of Montreal, Quebec, Canada. I am proud of myself, I never had the goal of being famous. I owe a house a land and I am retired now

  • @iBullyDemons
    @iBullyDemons 7 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    The industry doesnt want talent.
    They want marketability

    • @gamesandcake4892
      @gamesandcake4892 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @Neutral Milk Motel, You're absolutely right about that. My friend is always asking me how so-and-so got to be mega-famous, so quickly. I tell her the reason why is because the music industry is a finely tuned marketing machine and such and such a person just happened to be highly marketable. Actual talent is no longer necessary, thanks to modern recording techniques.

    • @babyboi98
      @babyboi98 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Neutral Milk Motel YEP!!! Exactly!

    • @acharich
      @acharich 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well they want both, but would easily sacrifice talent if marketability would increase..

  • @donaldbustell3787
    @donaldbustell3787 8 ปีที่แล้ว +460

    Brings to mind Hunter S. Thompson's observation:
    “The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.”

    • @creativeguitarstudio
      @creativeguitarstudio  8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Excellent comment... and Very True!

    • @boblawblaws604
      @boblawblaws604 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ha ha ha ha - Amazing. - Hunter S. T. was truly phenomenal when it came to calling it like it is.

    • @daveturner860
      @daveturner860 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I agree to a point about Hunter's view on so many facets of life but also remember... Hunter was high on drugs (and alcohol) about 80% of the time. The other 20% he was sleeping.

    • @donaldbustell3787
      @donaldbustell3787 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What makes you doubt it? Have you seen it attributed to someone else? I'm curious.

    • @donaldbustell3787
      @donaldbustell3787 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting. Course it burst another one of my bubbles . . . but what the hey! Thanks for the reference . . . and your time.

  • @EvaSlash
    @EvaSlash 8 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    I remember Slash once said in an interview that a lot of luck was involved.

    • @IGarrettI
      @IGarrettI 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      EvaSlash he also said that today is way harder than when he started. Then he said he thinks this is a thing that will separate boys from men. While I love Slash, I don't think being a "man" will give you the amount of luck you need

    • @quantametric
      @quantametric 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Certainly in Slash's case there was =D

    • @andrewjackson7758
      @andrewjackson7758 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      EvaSlash *Slash is just as popular now as 30 years ago. GnR is about the only long haired rock band of their generation that has massive popularity. Even Van Halen is playing the state fair circuit now*

    • @ghettoman1238
      @ghettoman1238 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Slash came from money his moms was a model and his mother a model

    • @8luesman
      @8luesman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Ghetto MAn that's right. I love Slash but when your mum dated David Bowie you can't say you weren't helped in some way.

  • @jasonmanadraw
    @jasonmanadraw 7 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    You forgot the 3rd thing, the right family bloodline, Lol.

  • @TrackHeadStudios
    @TrackHeadStudios 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    It's two things:
    1) Having the skills you need
    2) When the lucky break appears.

  • @ThoughtWave64
    @ThoughtWave64 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Image, charisma, crowd chemistry are more important than raw talent.

  • @Sevenxsnroses
    @Sevenxsnroses 8 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Something I learned about the industry is how to be happy! When I was young Yea I thought I'll only be happy if I'm as big as GNR or Iron Maiden. Then I grew as a player a performer and a person. I realized well could I happy without music. The answer was No! Well how do I stay in the industry and still pay my bills? I went to 3 music school I have multiple degrees only to realize they too didn't mean much until I got my audio degree. Now I'm an audio engineer for one of the largest entertainment firms in the the Northeast US. I teach lesson offer copyright consultation and play in a band and as a solo act. When the music pays it's great just playing for some good money. I'll never give up on that one childhood dream but at the same time I know I'll be happy if people are singing my melodies and I'm teaching and doing audio. It's all in the industry and if I had a piece of advice it would be if you love music learn something in the trade besides you instrument learn lighting audio ect!

    • @fskbaum6521
      @fskbaum6521 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      k

    • @wakerickman
      @wakerickman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      tyler jazz, crap, its now even HARDER to "make it" in the "big studio" market [ definatly here in the UK] because of every one going over to home computer recording, as its now so cheap, - far ceaper then a commersial studio -all the big studios are all shutting doun, and the only way now to get into engineering/production is proberly only nepatism, there are dozens appon dozens of studio engineering courses to degree level, turning out 100's of course graduates who simply cant get a job in engineering with there degrees beacause there are only a handfull of large studios now opperating. so only verry few jobs in that field come up ie as the video auther says , to get such a work posistion , most of it is down to luck and being in thge right place at the right time. . nuff said cheers

    • @acharich
      @acharich 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mmhmm..!

  • @stevep4358
    @stevep4358 7 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    proverbs :its all vanity. riches, adoration is fleeting . I just like to play .I play worship guitar at church and playing for god and our church and striving to uplift peoples spirits is so rewarding .I guess from the earliest times music was a communal experience that bonded and uplifted people s souls . I try not to lose sight of that when I play .

  • @tiffsaver
    @tiffsaver 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Nice video. As a musician myself, I would say that ANY artist needs these three things in order to really succeed:
    1) Talent
    2) Connections
    3) Luck
    Without having these three things in abundance, great success is impossible.

  • @orlock20
    @orlock20 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Another approach is to think outside the box. Remember that David Hasselhoff was a successful singer in Germany. Pay attention to the foreign music scene as well as the U.S. scene and play where the music you play is hot.

  • @hyalinamusic18
    @hyalinamusic18 7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I don't want to get famous, I just want to get money by playing music

    • @ojutay8375
      @ojutay8375 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Project-awesome customs me too

    • @Grock66
      @Grock66 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      like daft punk?

    • @Thresholdmoment
      @Thresholdmoment 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Project-awesome customs there is no money in music.

    • @leejee88
      @leejee88 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Forgive me I'm a rider, still I'm just a simple man
      All I want is money, fuck the fame I'm a simple man-Tupac

    • @UltimateForceMarketing
      @UltimateForceMarketing 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So absolutely true!

  • @tomspallone1868
    @tomspallone1868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    100% agree. Has NOTHING to do with talent. There are more talented people chained to a desk job than anyone we've ever heard of. Yes, more talented than Clapton, Hendrix, Garcia, EVH, Metheny....etc. (ok, maybe not Metheny) Be at the right place, right time. Just like meeting the "right" woman. You can't MAKE it happen. You just have to be ready when it does and know that, it may never happen. As for me, tomorrow night, I'll be loading $5,000 worth of equipment into a $500 car to drive 100 miles for $50. :-)

    • @toddlavigne6441
      @toddlavigne6441 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      well LADY GAGA played her fair share of low paying gigs in a Zeppelin tribute band for little to no money.
      She never quit. Got a lucky break and things worked out. It's a bit of a lottery game, and if you don't play you'll never win. Best of luck to you.

    • @stevekellar1403
      @stevekellar1403 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      SOUNDS FAMILIAR ! HAHAHA! BREAK A LEG !

    • @catrinacompositions
      @catrinacompositions 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      And why not Metheny? :)

    • @tomspallone1868
      @tomspallone1868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Unknown Dissident, I'm thinking that's he's just this freaky kind of genius, like a Mozart, that comes around every 100 years or so that's a level beyond everything else.

    • @catrinacompositions
      @catrinacompositions 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I m a huge Metheny fan, but I m of the opinion that there are many Methenys, many Keith Jarretts, many geniuses all hidden in our midst. I know what you mean, but even Mozart was not Mozart, seems that was just a strange Viennese con... most if not all of Mozart's work were actually ghost written by much better composers than he could ever be, all died unknown.

  • @Dajuro
    @Dajuro 8 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Most honest video I've ever seen on youtube.

    • @SixStringSteve
      @SixStringSteve 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      maybe the 2nd. Watch 'come to glastonbury'.

  • @elguey570
    @elguey570 7 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    The reason some people don't succeed is because they have to write songs for today's audience. Look at Gotye's somebody that I used to know. Totally different type of music but it was something new(although sampled) and catchy. Just write something catchy and don't just show your friends because they will say it's good no matter what. Write something that will catch the persons attention right away like the same way you write a sentence in an essay to catch the persons attention. A hook essentially.

    • @tc1817
      @tc1817 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Someone that I used to know did so-so until Walk off the earth covered it. then it got a gazillion more views, likes, listens, and buys.

    • @acharich
      @acharich 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Defo a big factor..!

  • @reggietito3261
    @reggietito3261 8 ปีที่แล้ว +253

    most people like dumbed down simple music. stuff that's been done a thousand times before. anything good goes right over their head

    • @daveturner860
      @daveturner860 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      If it sounds good..it's good. Grow-up.

    • @reggietito3261
      @reggietito3261 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      dave turner lol im 30

    • @mannkejns
      @mannkejns 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      You just gave yourself a better reason to grow up

    • @benrechakiewicz3594
      @benrechakiewicz3594 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Reggie Tito Exactly because most people are dumb fucks so thier taste in music would follow.

    • @holysmoke8439
      @holysmoke8439 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ben Rech and your smart..lol

  • @Corrupt-R
    @Corrupt-R 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks for this video, totally unexpected subject but something that really needed to be discussed. Very realistic talk here and from my experience you are right on the money

  • @ofAwxen
    @ofAwxen 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I don't think it has as much to do with luck as it is to do with originality. Most musicians these days fall into the trap of imitation. They do this by defining their genre before they even begin. As a result, they ensure they restrict their creativity to the confines of a pre-defined set of rules that we call a 'genre'.
    Long story short, be weird, be unique. People like new and different. It will make you more recognizable and distinct hence adding to your 'luck' by making you more visible over your competition.

  • @drouphy4726
    @drouphy4726 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I think this was a metaphorical kick to teh balls for alot of people

  • @daveduffy2823
    @daveduffy2823 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You have to at the right place at the right time. LA in 83, Seattle in 90.

  • @18echosf
    @18echosf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Absolutely spot-on in your analysis..........I went thru everything you mentioned for 12 years and eventually figured out that talent had nothing to do with "making it" in the music business. It's just a horrible business with even more horrible people controlling the fate of most musicians. Your chances of making it are basically less than zero. I finally bailed out and had a wonderful career in the computer world. However, it didn't ruin my love of music and I still play to this day for my own enjoyment. Great video.

  • @BillFurlong
    @BillFurlong 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoy your perspectives here. Thank you for expressing this so clearly and honestly.

  • @h3rzmus
    @h3rzmus 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Andrew, I like your honest thoughts about musicians, talent and the music industry. It took away some of the pressure that I have been feeling during the slow-paced progress I have been making as a musician/producer.

  • @DowJonesDave
    @DowJonesDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Musicians fail because they can't work in a group or stick to their guns. Or won't play songs right, or can't stop playing lead, etc etc etc. Musicians fail due to lack of professionalism.

  • @BrotherBoresIsBest
    @BrotherBoresIsBest 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad I found a guitar page that offers some thoughtful insight as well. Subbed.

  • @samueljames4005
    @samueljames4005 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The question is why is Jacob Satorious more famous than Jacob Collier who won two fucking Grammys at 21 this year?

    • @thirdeyelandslide_
      @thirdeyelandslide_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shock Value.

    • @9th-Circle
      @9th-Circle 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Samuel James Because the mainstream music industry (not to sound like a hipster), people with talent and creativity are a problem. If they can't control the types of music you sing and play then you're of no use to them because you won't make them as much money as they want.

    • @UltimateForceMarketing
      @UltimateForceMarketing 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ..yes...'because you won't make THEM..as much money as THEY want!!"

    • @acharich
      @acharich 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Marketing dollars..

  • @uglyguyfe
    @uglyguyfe 8 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    been good at playing guitar is nothing, image is everything

    • @daveturner860
      @daveturner860 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Sadly...in these times you are correct. At least in the music business. Being good and talented is out- weighed by the image you project.

    • @daveturner860
      @daveturner860 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dylan would have had no chance in these times...lol

    • @DrBe-zn5fv
      @DrBe-zn5fv 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      keep ur self-pity for ur suicide note

    • @GamezJohn
      @GamezJohn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Big if true

    • @reubensolly2237
      @reubensolly2237 7 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I wonder why people hate "image" so much. People seem to forget that "image" is an important, positive and powerful thing that pretty much every legendary band that they worship has. Humans are a sight oriented species. Imagery is often a first impression or an attractant to people or visa versa.

  • @Biggun8262
    @Biggun8262 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Very true, Andrew! I've been in it for over 20 years and now getting close to retirement. Glad to be getting out and enjoy playing the guitar strictly for myself now. Luck does have a ton to do with it,,,,and timing.

  • @DanRodriguez1
    @DanRodriguez1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really nice talk Andrew,thank you!

  • @JohnnyCNote
    @JohnnyCNote 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My own experience led me to conclude, at least as far as bands are concerned, that it's nearly impossible to find even three people who are equally committed to the success of the endeavor. There are plenty of other factors involved, but finding committed people is the ultimate roadblock…

  • @_Only_Zuul
    @_Only_Zuul 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good video and explanation. thank you. subbed ☺

  • @jackgrizzly7140
    @jackgrizzly7140 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey just returned to your channel after a while. I like these blog discussion videos keep it up!

  • @ssdtrain1
    @ssdtrain1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Number one reason why musicians fail..= "THE GIRLFRIEND"

  • @RealSebus
    @RealSebus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    success is all about the looks

    • @ricomajestic
      @ricomajestic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I guess that rules you out!

    • @RealSebus
      @RealSebus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +ricomajestic yup

    • @wakerickman
      @wakerickman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      tottaly aggree

    • @UltimateForceMarketing
      @UltimateForceMarketing 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes about Looks Imaging & Persona..oh and also if you don;t mind if one or a few of the execs can have Homosexual relations with you of multiple dudes (ie his close friends and investors)..for real no joking either..IF you start to get big and THEY decide that they will give your video a national view..you will then find that YOU will have more semen in & all over you like some kind of damned NightMare Only this one is for real!!Is it any wonder then that MOST of these same folks usually end up OVER DOSE or Commit Suicide, then??Most decent folks absolutely will not be able to handle the powerful humiliation of knowing that these bastards have actually video taped them with sort of hidden security cams so that IF you decide you wanna call the authorities or something in that vein..they will then threaten to send copies of this highly sexually damning "Live" video to your close family members, girlfriend or wife and also to the DEEP WEB through the Deep Web and THIS is exactly how the Shadow government & illuminati get Top Level Good Ethical & Spiritually Clean Politicians to "Play ball" whenever THEY say "Playball!" (or else they'll show a video of Political Suicide for THAT particular politician with a very ILLEGALLY young girl OR boy that he was caught on Secret Security Camera RECORDER the WHOLE event..all for the eventual exposure to THAT politician should he EVER think of going against THEIR plans and intentions??Yep folks. it's as old as The Great Roman Empire political circles for thousands of years and STILL it works today...Political Humiliation & Character assassination tactics of Our Be;loved CIA & NSA and CFR!

    • @jesperburns
      @jesperburns 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Stu West.
      Amazing how many of those are contemporary. Like, literally none......
      Ed Sheeran and Adele. 90% are models.

  • @johnboi8462
    @johnboi8462 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Andrew always keeps it fucking real...The frank wisdom is unparalleled and refreshing...I am 21 and learning this lesson early on in my creative life, i predict, will save myself from, well, myself.
    Ill make you proud

  • @brycestevens4829
    @brycestevens4829 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx for the heads up

  • @bordertown
    @bordertown 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There are plenty of talented guys out there, especially guitarists. But those who have image and character to go along with talent will be the ones to get noticed first. At the same time there is still a lot of luck as it depends who you find and who finds you.

  • @lottewonder
    @lottewonder 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    success is a complicated puzzle, of ( as he said ) synchronized events ( mainly promo stuff ) talent plays a big role, but it´s NOT
    only about musical talent. you have to be talented in many ways,..
    originality would play the BIGGEST role in any music thats worth listening too.
    coming up with something unheard of, but what the people NEEDED to hear at that time,...
    you can be great and very talented, but WHO whants the hear or see a copy of a copy ?
    Most important :
    think about what it is YOU have to GIVE !
    most people think way too much about HOW te GET STUFF, that minute youre caught up in that thinking you lost it, and
    basically speaking put yourself into the greedy crowd.
    if you think about what it is you have to GIVE, ..the Universe will ALWAYS pay you back.
    beeing caught up in a dream is something completly DIFFERENT then WORKING on your VISION.
    the Core Motivation is to ?
    be Happy,...
    if you know how to be humble, and if you honestly GIVE ?
    the chance are quite good, you will be happy,...
    everybody gravitates to TRUELY happy people,....
    dont get caught up in the Images, Videos, Grammy´s and Oscars.
    prepare for the worst, hope for the best, accept the negative aspects of life, and KEEP GIVING honest Music.
    and ?
    you WILL be succesfull,...
    because, all of what i wrote up there is WAY harder to do in our World then One thinks it is.
    and trust me,..i have a platinum Record under my belt.

  • @karijonsson4322
    @karijonsson4322 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is exactly why I stopped playing music as a career path and started learning sound engineering and music production. One day I might help someone else to success, but only through brutal discipline and morally gray work ethics. Just have to wait for the right act to pop up. It's a lot easier to look for talent to sign up than to wait around for some label to sign you.

  • @whitelightning2077
    @whitelightning2077 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Screw record labels. They are a dying breed. Self streaming your music through things like youtube, itunes ect. Is the way to go.

  • @LesterBrunt1983
    @LesterBrunt1983 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Damn, if I just could make minimum wage with music, I would be the happiest person on the planet.

  • @rejvaik00
    @rejvaik00 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hell John Lee Hooker had to wait a long time before becoming famous in the 1980s and he started playing professionally back in the 50s

  • @joebloggs1444
    @joebloggs1444 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are so right.! ....

  • @JakeWerkmeister
    @JakeWerkmeister 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're spot on here!

  • @GauravKhuranaxy
    @GauravKhuranaxy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very true not just for the music industry but any other industry in the world in general

  • @TheFlightofthewalrus
    @TheFlightofthewalrus 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The reason a high-level musician who is super successful will tell you that it was all about luck is because they are trying to be humble, and they are not going to sit there and tell you that they are phenomenally talented and have a brilliant mind for marketing.

  • @jimbee8915
    @jimbee8915 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for the thought provoking video.

  • @Darrylizer1
    @Darrylizer1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Success in the music industry is a combination of talent, looks, timing, and perseverance. Talent, looks and timing are all part of luck. I play for fun now and I'm happy

  • @Halfpastseven
    @Halfpastseven 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great words!

  • @paralentor
    @paralentor 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    With the demise of record stores the mid level artists will never be known. Think of all the great alternative music like New Order, The Stranglers, the Specials, or the Damned the employees of record stores would play their stuff while people browsed the indie titles and sub labels. None of that exists anymore. The music industry just picks a face they like and has songs written for them and they are played across their corporate owned stations over and over until people are brainwashed into thinking it's good.

  • @bardofely
    @bardofely 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This year I have been a finalist in the the Best Solo Act category in the Cardiff Music Awards, I was featured on TV and in the mainstream press as a contestant in Britain's Got Talent when I performed in front of the judges and got a lot of women up on stage with me, and I have held the number 1 Singer-songwriter in Portugal position in the Reverb Nation charts, but with all of that I am still looking for my lucky break!

  • @lacuevadelvampiro
    @lacuevadelvampiro 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if anyone has curiosity on this theme, you should read. "Everyone loves you when your dead." by neal strauss

  • @simcocks
    @simcocks 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Let us just be real for the moment , & simplify ...its not what you know , but WHO you blow That matters !

  • @kjguzman23
    @kjguzman23 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    GOOD EPISODE MR.WASSON!! music is expression of the soul, not soulless money bags

  • @2-old-Forthischet
    @2-old-Forthischet 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not related to musicians but I used to work for a utility company and did often install services in many producers of Hollywood companies. I used to see boxes of "head shots" pictures of aspiring actors laying around on their office floors. My son played in a heavy metal band after graduating from college with a degree in chemistry. I told him that if he wanted to pursue music, now is the time when he was young enough. He's now a senior environmental inspector for the county but continues to grow his guitar collection with one offs that are custom made. Very good advice!

  • @WhoWouldWantThisName
    @WhoWouldWantThisName 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel that this message made it sound like the successful ones JUST lucked out. The fore-mentioned tough perseverance needed to push through all the crap along the way was also vital for them to hang in there long enough for those lucky breaks to occur. Everyone that does anything for a long time will have their ups and downs, their breaks and their set-backs. Who knows how close someone was to one massive bright moment, that would have made all the difference, just before they gave up. This applies to most career choices where there is a ton of talent vs the demand for them, but one major upside with entertainment is that there really is no competition because there is no limit to how many can succeed. It's not as if fans are going to limit how many bands they listen to.

  • @licksnkicks1166
    @licksnkicks1166 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Andrew for making this crystal clear! My perception of the music industry is mostly negative. The music business revolves on money and nothing less. I just want to play some gigs, make some money and be happy that is my dream! I am not naïve enough to chase stardom! It's a dead end road for so many talented people. I know a few!

  • @UltimateForceMarketing
    @UltimateForceMarketing 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Andrew, are you from Syracuse or Odensburg NY?

  • @MrMongo321
    @MrMongo321 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    makes perfect sense!

  • @2kosher
    @2kosher 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perseverance, people!

  • @TimWatsonDrums
    @TimWatsonDrums 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I work full time in a studio as a session player. I can say talent and knowing how to read music combined with everything thing else that makes you a good employee really helps. The reality is being successful to me is knowingican uncomfortably live playing music for a living. My bread and butter is being able to fit into any situation even plsying with international artist who sing in a different language.

  • @creativeguitarstudio
    @creativeguitarstudio  7 ปีที่แล้ว

    **VISIT MY BLOGGER PAGE** Daily posts for the guitar player... creativeguitarstudio.blogspot.ca/

  • @AlwaysHopeful87
    @AlwaysHopeful87 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in the day, early 80's I did college radio where the music was the focus. Thought I 'd try commercial radio after graduation. Money was the focus there. Got my buXX kicked in sales. Still miss the music.

  • @whittonmatt
    @whittonmatt 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well said

  • @defoperator7993
    @defoperator7993 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The famous musicians I met people said you gotta be making a scene of your own and a social circle that's interdependence and starts local and grows over time from one person after the other. All about networking

  • @johnc.8298
    @johnc.8298 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This guy has been there, if you take his entire message (not isolated sound bites such as "luck") you will realize he is correct in much of what he says. Like ANY industry, it is the money trail that must be followed. CEO's are not "there" for the promotion of "art" (starving artists?) but to make money for stockholders. Talent is great, there is no shortage of this, but the scouts are looking for something/someone who is "marketable" to a large segment of a segmented listening audience. What will sell? What has the "hook" that will bring in big bucks?
    Economic theory tells us that there is only so much money to chase many available products. How to get market share is the quest of the music industry. They don't care whether or not the material is amazing, let the buyers "vote with their wallet". The A+R man's only job is to predict if this act will sell. Pop and country are the two big sellers because it satisfies people's want or need.
    If it was about artistry and talent, then jazz and classical would be the mainstay of the music industry. If you want to be the next biggest "thing" you will need to be "marketable" so that big money and image makers are convinced they can package your "product" for a fickle market.
    There is high competition because so many want fame and fortune and accolades. Good luck, there are many others vying for the same limited supply of available "music sales". Economics wins out in the end. Do you have a product that can potentially have mass appeal? Step aside Beyonce, Cher, and Kenny Chesney. Here comes the next money maker!

  • @robertneil536
    @robertneil536 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    It helps to look the part, too.

  • @dinokall8319
    @dinokall8319 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Right place right time. A catch toone helps too.

  • @harrytear9717
    @harrytear9717 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like there is more chance of 'making it' if you have a specific style or flair I suppose that is a little unusual and new. For example sticky fingers combined reggae with slight psychedelic influences and indie rock and it got them a really long way.

  • @Mynamesalexa
    @Mynamesalexa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I started playing in 1966. Could read drum music at age 12. I played steadily in a bar band and in the bar band circuit. From 1969 to 1979 I tried to look and sound like Ginger Baker. I modeled my set to look like his. When I'd go to a concert I'd ask myself "What does this drummer have that I don't?" I argued here on YT about it with someone. I knew I was as good as or better than my "Big Time" competitors. By age 25, I realized this was as far as I was going. So I got married and lived the 9 to 5 rat race for about 35 years.
    Now I'm retired and started playing again. Now I don't have to live off it as I did in the 70's.
    So this man here is correct. GIMMICKS & LUCK. Talent comes in last.
    Young talent has social media on it's side. No flea bag hotels. Rolling joints out of toilet paper. NO paying dues.
    A lady took a bath in Fruit Loops on You Tube and had the President (Obama) visit her. Instant fame.
    YES, It's a whorry business. But no high can compare with people gathering and paying money to see you perform.

  • @traceyrychewhite6374
    @traceyrychewhite6374 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fates Warning is definitely so underrated. I could never understand why they never blew up? Ray Alder is in 3 different bands. Jim also does a lot of side projects. Joey also plays bass for Armored Saint.

  • @bluespectrumtapes
    @bluespectrumtapes 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm happy just releasing editions of 5 for my friends 😋

  • @ChadRockwell
    @ChadRockwell 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Network and make connections
    INVEST in the band
    Everything from doing an album to marketing to merch or equipment.
    Out work the other bands and don't stay local.
    Stay consistent and keep pushing.
    Sure luck is involved but that doesn't mean you can't give yourself a better chance.

  • @dennisneo1608
    @dennisneo1608 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You need to have the songs. if you have lousy songs, forget it.

    • @tshouse2782
      @tshouse2782 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      dennis neo explain Shooting Star?

    • @weho1233
      @weho1233 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      dennis neo fuck off, i know so many great compositions from my friends alone. you need to have the mind of a business man. you have to get accepted by bigger audiences, get gigs at better places. reach out for fans, being heard is much harder than making noise

  • @WonsPhreely
    @WonsPhreely 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is true. It doesn't get said enough, but luck coupled with hard work is what its all about.

  • @bugs4680
    @bugs4680 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    my band and I anti pop junkie , we met in like 99 , we played local shows , had a little success as we seen it, we started partying to much and went to prison, we got out and started up again , I really believe we are the best band u never heard we have endless amounts of good music , we have some stuff on reverb and you tube

    • @jakea7583
      @jakea7583 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what is the band called??

    • @bugs4680
      @bugs4680 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      anti pop junkie

    • @tc1817
      @tc1817 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He says the name in his comment Jake A..what did you think "My band and I anti pop junkie'" meant?

    • @joshuacoleman8000
      @joshuacoleman8000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Marbles McGee Well it's possible he forgot to put the word are between I and anti.

    • @tc1817
      @tc1817 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      And why would that be necessary? Look at the context of the whole sentence. He says they "played local shows"...so obviously he is talking about a band. Jake is an idiot.

  • @toyotaprius79
    @toyotaprius79 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very uplifting

  • @alexangeloallen
    @alexangeloallen 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you're a musician talent is a key and it opens up possibilities, for new music, some songs are really easy and yet really good, some songs are really hard and bad. Everyone's heard of talented musicians but to succeed you need to have something new.

  • @ferox965
    @ferox965 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most of us don't want to admit that music is a business. We have to pay attention to business. Steer clear of drug and alcohol problems. Have a collective ego instead of individual egos. Have a lawyer look over any contract that is handed to you. Understand the venues and their audiences. Be wary of gigs offering only exposure...Almost never do anything for free. And you really REALLY gotta love it. There are assholes out there...stand your ground without burning your bridges...and PRACTICE AND PROMOTE! These things may not make it happen, but they will place in the best possible path. Great video

  • @megadave9941
    @megadave9941 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yea its all about money . That's why now i play for me . i mean guitar has always been very personal experience. Learned how to play on my own ..and i have the most fun playing with friends and family...you just have to love the guitar and music for the joy it creates...not how much money it will bring...... Some of the younger players will need to understand exactly what you said hear ..its the truth brother. 😎👍👍

  • @user-uf4qq6gq9x
    @user-uf4qq6gq9x 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A really good song helps.
    Song is king..

  • @treykilgore7383
    @treykilgore7383 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In modern metal its Because most bands are just making the same sound every other band is, and the ones who make it are the ones who are either 1. Very markatable and can reach mainstream. 2. A band with an original sound
    Other guys who dont make it big are usually guys who just cover a bunch of classic rock or 80's metal , play jazz, and basically dont connect with their generation

  • @Bm23CC
    @Bm23CC 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The stream of luck is called word of mouth. Networking has a lot to do with it too. I had a friend who got a job with Nelly then he got a job with DNCE then he got a job with Alicia Keyes and now hes touring with a really massive Korean rapper. The people he's worked with (not listed) are massive stars and it all boiled down to that one break.

  • @fuckfuckinshit
    @fuckfuckinshit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's because the mainstream uses familiar melodies. That the listener can relate to but are simple and quite boring people don't enjoy complex musical compositions like they used to

  • @thomaswalz3515
    @thomaswalz3515 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You nail it. The biz beat me to a pulp... What makes a musician an artist is the exact opposite of what it takes to do music business... I'm a sensitive soul, have been highly complimented of how soulful I play... but the business has no soul.. it eats them for breakfast...
    I persevere... I know I'm good... I just want to make a comfortable living... I'm too old for stardom... I ain't pretty enough either.
    These days, finding an audience that actually listens is impossible too. Sigh....

  • @Wasthere73
    @Wasthere73 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    People don't succeed because they are lazy. I have seen so much talent be squandered because they don't want to put in the extra miles. Unwillingness to wake up early, unwillingness to practice, unwillingness to do something new, unwillingness to take risks, unwillingness to take criticism, yet they have the arrogance and greed to act like they are a hot shot. And trust me, I have seen people with talent make it, and people with talent fail. The thing that differentiates the two was their work ethic, and their willingness to be humble, to go where they're uncomfortable. Middle-class musicianship is possible now, believe it. Platinum sales and fame is not success. There are plenty of local musicians out there that can survive off of their music income.
    Most musicians I have seen try to do music as if its a part time thing, but its not. Its a lifestyle you need to dedicate yourself to, every hour, every second. The music industry brings in musicians that try to be businessmen, but the ones who succeed are hardworking businessmen who know how to be musicians.
    (From a person tired of seeing lost talent)

  • @TheRichie213
    @TheRichie213 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Being chosen and connections.

  • @mark97213
    @mark97213 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All things being equal, a Great Voice and a Great Producer are the catapulting causes to become successful. Aretha Franklin, Johnny Cash, Elvis, Bon Scott, Steve Perry, Brian Johnson, Paul McCartney, Joe Elliot, David Gilmour, etc., have unique voices. Together with a great producer, these are the tools that obtain success. L.A is not full of unique voices.

  • @lukaivartnik
    @lukaivartnik 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm writting to youtube to make two like buttons.

  • @marymarino3986
    @marymarino3986 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's just too much music to navigate!

  • @jwcorcoran9838
    @jwcorcoran9838 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The luck part is undeniably true, but I think a good business sense is essential as well - like you said, the music industry is all about money; and far too often young talented bands are exploited in deals and fall into dire straits because they haven't been singing their income and costs like a small business would

    • @jwcorcoran9838
      @jwcorcoran9838 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      And/or fall into dire straits*

    • @jwcorcoran9838
      @jwcorcoran9838 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I meant to say managing, not singing

  • @danielap295
    @danielap295 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So if it's almost all down to luck, what can people do to put the odds more in their favor?

  • @DirtiestDeeds
    @DirtiestDeeds 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good lad.

  • @coreywilliams4709
    @coreywilliams4709 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven't played the Piano in years, so I'm no current expert. But I was blessed cognitively.---> What he is missing in this video is that you have to be willing to be a "good slave" and stroke the right egos, but in a timely manner. And timing can be seen as luck, but "stars align" based on the energy emitted from person to person. The more people understand that you have to be willing to be a slave to the craft as much as a monetary slave, the easier it is to stroke the right egos and emit the right energy when needed and WANTED... Society runs more off wants than needs... But we all NEED the energy of others in this reality we live in, in order to thrive more than we think is possible... Its a balance thing, ya know...

  • @LostMyMojo100
    @LostMyMojo100 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well said! Even Hendrix got a huge break... Linda Eastman knew Chas Chandler and asked him to check out Jimi.... The rest is history...

  • @owenhunt
    @owenhunt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Success is a combo game. People who learn to play music very young pretend not to practice and say "I would write a better song with my feet and arse than Gun's and Roses. I am a plastologist. I know too much about creativity to not power up and be better than them at their own game in 6 months'"
    Music is a showcase as this guy says in the video. What is not accounted for is that music can run in the family and some people can write, practice and rehearse a song that some people will OWN for themselves purely by listening to it more times than the originators - the singing it - and going to the gym more and being more attractive -- and grinning LIKE an IDIOT whilst doing it -- a.k.a. a great creator has to start with impersonating better musicians than themselves. The auditioning process is heavy. Comedians really do knock burgeoning musicans out of talent shows.

  • @ksarom
    @ksarom 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Once again, opportunity is what seperates successful and unsuccessful people

  • @gavinreid8351
    @gavinreid8351 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Popular music is based on the lowest common denominator. Extremely talented musicians tend to make music that has a limited appeal , such as jazz. The way to get on it popular music is grim determination and blind ambition. Networking within the system is essential. Good management, good image. Work until exhausted ,and then, when asked how you made it look all cool and say "Luck"'.

  • @pawelpap9
    @pawelpap9 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing! He talked for nearly 10 minutes and there were about two sentences worth of information. No wonder sane people cannot make it in music business.

  • @MattySawcheck
    @MattySawcheck 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    To make it in the music business you need a hot body and auto tune.