Hearing the Voice of God vs Sola Scriptura w/Jim Osman
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- Popular evangelical Christianity teaches that God's children need to hear the voice of God to live the fulfilling life God calls His children to.
But is this true? Does Scripture teach that we need and should expect to hear from God?
Does this teaching help or hinder Christian women?
Let's talk about it with Pastor Jim Osman, author of the book "God Doesn't Whisper" who helps us see how the Hearing the Voice of God doctrine undermines Sola Scriptura, presents a weak God, and brings Christians to walk in doubt rather than faith.
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Then there is the opposite belief. I grew up with people believing that if there is a lot of adversity, then you must be doing the will of God because satan is after you. They also believed that if you are a true christian then you should be under attack from satan all the time. And so they go around telling everyone how much spiritual warfare they are going through to show how spiritual the are and if you don't have spiritual warfare then you must not be a true christian. Maybe it was just my impression. Did anyone else see this in other Christians?
Yes I have heard of this as well I have always been a skeptic of the correlation people are making of having a lot of spiritual warfare to whether you are true Christian or not. Being we all have our flesh to die to, a sinful world to live in outside of demons spiritually attacking us so spiritual warfare is pretty much promised to every believer. It’s a strange way to boast about how good of a Christian you are loll😂
Yes, I did. I grew up inside a pentecostal denomination that taught this through and through. It is one of the false doctrines my mind needed to be reminded that it's NOT the truth, and the bible is the authority and its not found in there so its 100% false. So I now belong to a solid church and read God's word to renew my mind to know what is actually true and what is truly of the Lord. I believed a lot of lies from a lopsided pulpit, unfortunately. Praise to God our Father who knows how to reach us. This type of teaching is one of the vast that promote man (self) and demote God. It's crazy. People who say to the world they love the Bible but then they actually hate it when it really boils down to it. We can't love God but hate His Holy Word! Good comment. 👍
This was so helpful. I come out of a family that believes to this day that God speaks to them. They consider me lost because I embrace reformed theology. Thank you so much for this.
That’s so sad bc God does speak!!
How do you have a relationship then??
They are not one sided. That would be a sucky relationship.
@@nldj344 I have a relationship because of nothing I have done, nor could ever do. God has shown me in His Word that I am utterly dependent on Him and His Word. He speaks on His Word, not in special revelations to each of us, otherwise the Bible is false and Scripture is not done. But praise God that He finished it and it is all we need.
@@candeyeldred2655Amen.
@@candeyeldred2655 News flash
HE IS THE WORD!! John 1:1
Amen, Amen, Amen!!!
this moment to moment instruction, looking for signs and listening to a "guiding voice" inside is completely new age spiritualism
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THE LORD STILL SPEAKS TO THOSE WHO ARE READY TO HEAR HIM. ANYTHING HE SAYS TO ME DOES NOT CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE AND HIS NATURE.
MY GOD IS THE SAME GOD WHO SPOKE TO THOSE IN THE BIBLE, AND SPEAKS TO SOME TODAY.
I HAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF HIM SPEAKING TO ME TO BRING GLORY TO HIS NAME.
SAD FOR THOSE WHO DENY THIS.
@@donsavinsky2251 amen!!
@@donsavinsky2251 example of what was brought up in the video - Gnosticism in our modern day.
Jim Osman's book, "God Doesn't Whisper" changed my life! Thank you, Pastor, for writing that book!
Scripture is authoritative. Being grounded and established in Scripture is a prerequisite to knowing whose voice one is hearing.
It is authoritative, but is it also SUFFICIENT for you? Is it alone enough to equip you for good works (that includes all things necessary for reconciliation and a relationship with God)? This is what 2 Tim 3:16-17 is stating and why Paul urges Timothy to preach the good doctrine found in Scripture.
@@melbatoast9281 Scripture is sufficient as you defined.
Thank you for your work sister! I too have a heart to reach women with truth of scripture, and to warn them about the many false teachers today!🙏🏽
Praying for your ministry! Please feel free to email me with prayer requests if you wish. MelbaToast@ttew.org
I was caught up in the Charismatic-Pentecostal movement for over 40 years..
And to this day I still hear Charismatic-Pentecostal pastors saying "GOD SPOKE TO ME....." and usually that is used to convince people to do what the pastor wants done....not GOD.
@@craiggross9629 Very True!!!
@@craiggross9629 false
great interview on a very important topic! God bless you both
Very underrated channel. Thank you
Wonderful interview with Pastor Jim Osman. I haven't seen your channel before and it showed up in my feed. So when I saw who you were interviewing, I was interested in checking it out. I've subscribed and look forward to more biblical content. May God bless your ministry!
May God use me to bless you and strengthen your faith.
Hearing the voice of God is not contrary to Sola Scriptura. In fact, the Scriptura of Sola Scriptura is where I get the understanding that, if I am His sheep, I do hear His voice.
Christ calls his sheep to salvation. That is the teaching of John 10.
But if you mean he communicates personally to equip me for good works, you must explain to me how that is in line with 2 Tim 3:16-17.
It is clear that Scripture speaks and is all I need.
@@melbatoast9281 Ok, perhaps it is on you to show me how it is inconsistent with the passage in Second Timothy.
It is clear from scripture that the first believers had no scriptures of their own, and no New Testament, as it had not been written yet. But, the truths contained in scripture were true before they were revealed, so, Jesus' sheep hearing His voice cannot, by Biblical revelation, be limited to the Biblical revelation.
That Jesus speaking to me does not make my words on par with scripture is also scriptural, as the words of Philip's daughters who prophesied did not speak anything to include in scripture. So, hearing from God does not imply any authority.
Which is fine, because there is no "authority" in His church. He clearly said, "It shall not be so among you." He calls me friend. Do you require leadership to engage in a friendship?
That was because all of Scripture had not been written and compiled yet. Once it was that was no longer necessary. So it's not happening today. @@busker153
@@busker153 hearing His voice is hearing God's Word. Or what's in the voice? His Word! Joshua 1:8..."My sheep (plural) hear my voice...THEY follow me". One Voice for ALL!
@@i-jamesazubuike9208 Hearing His voice is one thing, and hearing His Word as you read it is another thing. That is why there are so many different words in the world; to describe different things.
Have you ever read in the Old Testament where the prophets of My God mock the idols of the nations because, like your little god, they cannot speak.
The Bible has words for speaking and reading. They are not the same thing. You just do not hear His voice because you do not pray as you ought.
When you develop the prayer life you have been resisting since the day you got saved, then you will have something to say on this subject. Until then, find a place alone and begin praying.
Jesus' sheep hear His voice. Perhaps the problem is not that we do not hear His voice. Perhaps the problem is simply that you are not one of His sheep? Who is true, God or you?
1st Timothy Chapter 4 I had just watched Jim on Justin's TH-cam channel on baptism. As I seen his picture on your TH-cam. Will be taking time to listen, so I may reference to my mom, and sister as well my tia's another way of saying Aunt.
Great subject and thank you for information we may grab to increase our wisdom. To the focusing on scriptures, God bless.
Thank you sister, was blessed by this discussion. I've learnt a lot from it. God bless.
I also listen to Dawn Hill.
I love her! I hope to interview her some day. Her journey out of the NAR is a testimony to God's grace. I pray we see more like it.
Great interview with a great guest!!
I know, right!
Very well done sister
Loved the bit about God’s providence and the analogy of moving to a place where nothing worked out was not an indication that you shouldn’t have gone!
With love, perhaps let your guest speak more
Praise God! Thank you for this video it has brought me a lot more clarity on this subject. I have come out recently of charismatic teachings, and it is just filled with these types of errors. It brings a lot of confusion and leaves Christians unnecessarily discouraged and even tormented. Again, thank you and Pastor Jim! Glory To God!! 🙏🏿✝️🙌🏿
Praise God! 🙏May God use me and this channel to encourage and bless you!
I would be considered a cautious Continuationist, and I am not a Calvinist, but I thoroughly enjoyed this interview.
I have often experienced the crippling anxiety of wondering what God's will is for my life in this or that specific situation, but the Holy Spirit is very good in leading me to ask, " but what does God's Word have to say?"
And the more I am in His Word, the more peace I have and the more grounded I become.
The modern theology of trying to be led moment by moment outside of scripture sounds very dynamic and freeing, but
ultimately it enslaves us.
The opposite is also true. It sounds very limiting to stick with the revealed Word of God, but ultimately it leads to freedom and peace when understood correctly.
Same experience with the word of God here. And I find it's more reliable. When I believed I was being led by God by personal nudges it was always in unsurity. But I can look at a written word, know it was given by God, and walk in faith in those written words (the Scripture). Plus it points me to my Savior...🥰
Scripture is sufficient as far as tangible resources go.. scripture is meant to be read and understood in the context of fellowship, with God and people …
Yes, the Lord God of the universe speaks. How does the Holy Spirit reveal the truth of scripture without speaking? He speaks to people throughout scripture. Millions of honest, respectable people have testified to this wonderful truth. The HS spoke to Cornelius and to Peter. He spoke to John in Revelation. He speaks through conviction/unction, revelation, dreams, visions, power, signs, wonders, and/or audible voice. Obviously, he will never contradict his own (properly translated and interpreted) written Word. How could someone say the Bible is sufficient yet not see that the same Bible shows clearly, in book after book, from Genesis to Revelation, that God speaks? He speaks all through the Bible. He speaks. He can talk. He's the Lord God. How arrogant for us to think we can talk , but God can't. And if you're not hearing his voice, then you're missing out. Again, just to ask him yourself. Ask him directly. Ask humbly.
Nice discussion. I found the audiobook on Spotify and it was very enlightening. Thank you.
Yay! Praise God!
Spoken like a true unbeliever!!
Yes.
I do not believe I need more that what God has given through Christ and His word to make me right with God and equip me for good works. 😊
Sola Gratia!
Sola Fide!
Solo Christo!
Soli Deo Gloria!
Sola Scriptura!
@@melbatoast9281 what about the reality of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? You may know the book but you seem to not to know the Author
Thank you.
I actually shared the video before the end😉😆I'm not eligible for the giveaway because I have private FB & Instagram accounts. (Severe domestic violence)But, this was great, and I have a lot of friends who need to hear this! God bless💗🙏💗🕊
Thanks for sharing!
You can still enter the giveaway by sharing it again. In fact, you can earn points each day you participate up til Aug. 5th.
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God bless!
@@melbatoast9281 Thank you💗
This was good
God spoke to people in the bible through dreams and visions. And when God revealed himself to Moses it was through a still, small voice. And so I can see why people believe God will speak to them in that way too. I've never heard an audible voice, but I've had a strong impression/nudges to do something twice which I believe was God speaking to me. In a previous video I watched about Jim Osman, I didn't agree with him, but after hearing a fuller explanation, I find that I do. Before, He made it sound like we can just do what ever we want ( as long as it doesn't go against the word of God). We don't have to worry about doing God's will because he doesn't speak to us about it. He gave the example of his strong desire to go to Bible college. In the video he didn't attribute this desire to God leading him, but to me that sounds like God was leading him to go to Bible college. I believe if we are truly praying for God's will to be done that God will lead us to fulfill his will. We don't have to look for signs or strain to hear the still small voice, we can trust in God's sovereignty that he will lead us to do his will.
I think this is where some of the problems lie. We use the word "speak" which would involve "hearing"; it is an action done outside of ourselves, where we don't have to discern if someone is speaking. We don't say "I think you are speaking to me", or search for confirmations when your boss SPEAKS instructions to you.
Yes, the Spirit guides us. Absolutely! The Spirit's leading is not the same as God speaking. If God wants to speak to you, He will make it clear, and not leave you or I to have to discern if it is from Him. To do otherwise, would be to leave us in confusion, and God is not a God of confusion (1 Corin 14:33).
Moses literally HEARD God SPEAK and SAW God's power through a bush that was on fire but did not burn. It was clear that it was God. Nowhere do we see any of these prophets making use of ways to discern if inner impressions or even if "the sound of a low whisper" was from God. He was powerful and clear enough to leave no trace of doubt that it was Him.
Ps- even the passage in 1King 19 was an actual VOICE. The text states "he [God] SAID"; "SOUND of a low whisper"; "Elijah HEARD"; "there came a VOICE to him [Elijah] and SAID"; "the LORD SAID"; etc. None of these are even remotely described as inner impressions.
Sorry, just wanted to add that I completely understand why you stated what you stated. I would suggest reading John Piper's book on Providence to help encourage you on How God works all things for His glory, that includes your decisions, from the smallest to the greatest. If you are interested, you can email me (melbatoast@ttew.org) and I would love to chat some more about this.
@@melbatoast9281 completely agree. However, As you stated God whispered to Elijah, yet Osman's book is titled "God doesn't whisper" so is it, He just doesn't whisper anymore? And sorry I revised my original response, so not sure if you responded to the final edited response or the first one I posted.
@@melbatoast9281 yes there is a difference between guiding and speaking. I think I always conflated the two, in that when people said God spoke to them, I always took it as leading, not a divine revelation they received from God.
John McArthur is a false teacher!!
He owns how many houses?? What’s his net worth??
Has his own Bible that costs a ton on Amazon…
Just a few things people should know since they constantly attack others for the same reason!!
I'm glad as a woman, Don't want to teach, Dangerous job. Doreen Virtue made her entrance and shes sooo saved and shes everywhere
2 Timothy 3:16 does not say scripture alone , scripture also teaches the Church is the pillar and truth .
Well, God being sovereign, even false doctrines exist because of His overall plan. So there's that. Romans 8:28
Yes, they are a judgement against unbelievers. And God sends discerning ministers to "snatch [his people] from the flames". Even believers can be "bewitched". But our Father draws us out. And it's done by the proclaiming of God's good doctrine exegeted from the Scriptures. 😊
I believed alot of David Wilkerson. I like him But questionable❓ He had me listening for voices, OH My
It’s sad that all you people believe that God is silent.
If God is alive than he speaks. He’s the same God. He hasn’t changed. (According to the Bible)
To deny that he’s alive and speaks is to deny a relationship with him.
Relationship is a two way street not a one way.
This is heart wretching to watch people deny the POWER OF HOLY SPIRIT. And scriptures that clearly state that he speaks!!! Just to fit their narrative
You just explain it away and deny it bc you don’t understand.
I can’t imagine having a “relationship” with someone who doesn’t talk to me.
God is personal. He knows everything about us.
It just shows the lack of intimacy and knowing the love of God.
SAD THAT THIS IS BEING TAUGHT TO PEOPLE!!
What a lie from the enemy!!
If the devil can speak lies to you, THE ALMIGHTY, POWERFUL AND SOVEREIGN GOD can speak!!!
Heb1:1-2
Even though their tongue is not a language? What if they're hearing a voice, but what if it's not him?
Were does it say in scripture that God will ever only speak through scripture alone . It’s found no where and is a man made tradition unheard of until the 1500s
Because of the authority of God I believe that God still speaks...."Words of Knowledge"?
Ok, but why would you need those?
All someone needs to be justified, made righteous, and walk in good works is found in Christ and in Scripture. 2 Tim.3:16-17.
@@melbatoast9281 why is that gift mentioned in the first place?
I've tried a few times, checked my spelling, but the giveway website says "can't be reached"
Try this link and see if it works now: podcasts.strivingforeternity.org/whisper
@@melbatoast9281 That worked! I see what the problem is. The link in your description and on the video is singular PODCAST instead of podcastS. 💛💛💛💛
U don't hear, it is written, They say U don't have intimacy. I don't know what gnostic means
I’m yet to find a verse that says God is going to speak to me in my mind
All the passages that God speak with someone he’s having a conversation just like we do with other people
Your comment is what my kids would call 'BASED"! 🤣 Love it.
very nice interview! I am trying to apply for the giveaway but it seems that the website is not working.
Were you able to get on it?
Try this link: podcasts.strivingforeternity.org/whisper
If your still having problems, let me know. I tried the link this morning and it was working. Thanks for participating!
@@melbatoast9281 I am able to open the link. However, when I fill out my name and email, and then click on "enter", nothing happens. As if the registration is no being processed.
U missed a book. Constantine created Christianity. I hv No label, I heard the Word and believed it. BTW, hes the Lion from the tribe of Judah, not Jewish
hmmm---let me use some critical thinking skills about this issue
First, God says He wants a personal relationship with us. We are to seek God's will for our lives and follow where that may lead. And God says He will always have His remnant.
God spoke to men and women long before the bible was ever written. heck bible stories are rife with God spoke to Moses, Abaraham, David, and many many others.
Jesus was God in the form of man and many recognized that from ancient jewish texts or actually hearing from God if they were prophets. . Jesus himself spoke to many many people. After Jesus, God continued to speak to Paul, the apostles and others.
All this before the bible was ever written.
All through history before the printing press was invented, any Christian only had access to God and His word by a personal relationship, perhaps some ancient Jewish texts and letters, IF he or she could read. Most people were illiterate in those days. and illiteracy continued to be a major factor up until modern times.
People in prison for their faith may not have access to a bible. so they are dependent on a prayer life and "hearing" from God that way.
So yes, people can hear from God apart from the bible.
final point, we all know of cults who have developed some really strange theology from what they say they read in the Bible .
Censationasim I man made Protestant tradition
This teaching is HERESY!!!!
So did Jim find a verse in the Bible that said, ‘Jim, this is God. I’m calling you to preach’?
Based on 1 Timothy 3:1-7 Jim doesn't need to hear God's voice to be a pastor/overseer/shepherd. In short, if Jim aspires to be a pastor and meets the biblical qualifications in these verses than God will cause it to happen.
@@wokefreeChristian funny, we read in the scripture that God called His servants into their callings. Hence the term “callings”. The last thing we need is people just deciding to become ministers
“Now that we know we don’t actually need it” referring to relationship with Jesus and hearing his voice….
Wow that’s pretty prideful to say!!
You are dismissing millions of peoples testimonies….
And take that “emotional-ism” to hell where it belongs!!! Stop ASSUMING that that’s the basis….god created our emotions we are not robots, ppl in the Bible had emotions, they were not robots, God considers these things. So it’s a part of it but not necessarily the basis of it. And if it is for some doesn’t mean it is for ALL!!!
This makes me so angry 😡 that this is being taught to people…so demonic in all levels
Overrun by women. Disobedience, our wicked hearts?PS: if UR online vs the pulpit, same thing
If you're hearing the voice of god you really need to see a psychiatrist!
That’s sad!!! You’re deceived
😅 May be a biblical counselor helps. I will avoid psychiatry by all cost!
I absolutely agree, hearing voices is a serious mental health issue😢.
@@daman7129 NOT hearing his voice is a serious unbelief issue😢
Strange as hyper charasmatics
always good to see cultists attack each other and not one of them able to show their god merely exists at all.
Only a fool says in their heart "God does not exist". Why would a fool say this? Because creation proclaims His glory, and only the fool denies that there is a Creator of all that exists.
@@melbatoast9281 oh dear, like I've not heard that garbage before. A shame sincne all cults make the same claims about their gods, and not one can show that their gods exist. You aren't very bright, Melba
What is your belief? That we came into existence by one singular atom that appeared out of nowhere and evolved over billions of years? I encourage you to seek the truth before it’s too late, and that Truth is Jesus Christ, He is the only one who can save you and me. I don’t know how old you are but consider that you are very young in the grand scheme of things and we really don’t know anything at all. We all have Faith in something, you certainly have faith in something other than Jesus, but you still have faith in something. If you believe in Jesus and repent of your sins, you will go to heaven, but if you don’t eternal damnation awaits.
2 Timothy 3.
@velkyn1 here's a thought.... just start your own channel and go spew your vitriol there..oh wait you have one...hate cats.
Imagine if your wife wrote you a book and you actually believed that because she wrote you that book that she would never speak to you again. Cessationism is so blatantly anti-biblical. i hope you see that some day. God speaks today - He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
God is not a human, who is limited by time and space, whose word becomes irrelevant with time. He can speak once, and it is powerful enough to CREATE, SUSTAIN, and accomplish what He wills by it. "So shall My word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: It shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it" (Isa. 55:11).
Cessationism does not believe God "never speaks to you again". It believes God's written word as given in Scripture, has power, is eternal, and continually speaks to His people.
Your god's word might be compared to to a wife writing a book and never speaking to you again, but that is not the God of Scripture, whose word is eternal, has power, and is sufficient to equip us.
AMEN!!! I hate this “theology” this is straight from the devil!!!
God is not your wife or your husband.
@@bibletruthreformed you’re completely missing the point
Which is sad
Sorry to hear. The LIVING Word of God should be self explanatory.