Gentlemen… Thank you! Loved this session. I’m an old guy who was born in the first half of the last century (1948), and a firearms instructor since the 70’s and love to always hear your wisdom.
I think 10 mm is just a modern challenge, even my 1911, Serious Eighty Gold Cup Came with two recoil springs. 185 grain & 230 grain. It's basically a three fifty seven magnum For your auto loader. I think with the right engineering it can be a truly excellent cartridge. I think the argument that it's too powerful is kind of like saying. You don't need that much power under the hood of your car. Pistols have been running flawlessly with 45 acp for a 100 years, Let's accept the challenge of 10mm and give it a hundred year run.
Great video, gentlemen, thank you from another ‘46 Baby-boomer. Two quick comments follow: 1. Regarding the 10mm, the Smith 610 N Frame is my answer. I have owned a 3.875 inch barrel 610 for decades. It fires (with moon-clips) both .40 S&W and 10mm loads. As you’d expect, it can easily handle any 10mm round - N Frames are extraordinarily solid, durable and high quality revolvers - and it is accurate, unfailingly reliable, and not too difficult to carry (or even to conceal). 2. Regarding Registered Magnums, I entirely agree with Ken’s passion for this utterly SUPERB revolver. I’ll only add that pinned and recessed, target hammer and trigger, Model 27’s are worthy successors (although they’re obviously not RM’s). My five inch barrel, early 1970’s, M27 (it was a present I purchased for me, to celebrate my return from an especially difficult 18 month overseas tour) is my most prized firearm.
My two favorite grumpy old men! But seriously two of the very few I completely trust for good information and advice. Add in Massad Thank you, and please keep making these videos
I think the 38 Super and the 1911 are the perfect combination for those seeking a powerful semi auto with less recoil and more capacity than the 45ACP delivers, and would offer better performance with similar perceived recoil compared to a 9 mm in the 1911 platform.
First I would like to thank you both for passing along your vast talents I have learned so much, I have been a big fan of the both of you I highly doubt there are any finer Gun Guys than yourselves, I also want to say to Mr. Wilson that you make the finest firearms in the industry bar none, I pray that one day that I would have the honor to meet you both when I visit Wilson Combat in Berryville, my question to you is since you make the finest handguns when will you bring back classes at the ranch, God Bless you both.
Another “Good ‘Un”! As for the 10mm, I’ve heard about issues from other people, but my Glock 20 has ran flawlessly from the start, and I run some pretty spicy hand loads.
I think if I ever buy a 10mm it’ll be a G20. I rented one a couple months ago at the range and it was more pleasant shooting than I expected. Also seem to have a solid reputation same as most other Glocks. Definitely not going to dump good 1911 money into a 10mm.
I love my Glock 20. It’s very flexible concerning bullet weight and velocity and extremely accurate for a service pistol (under 0.7” for 5 shots at 8 yards). I can’t remember a single failure in the over 1,000 rounds I’ve fired through it. Good enough for me.
I thought about getting a 10mm. Mostly due to performance and capabilities of the round. Didn't think much of the firearm itself. Good thing I held off and just stuck with what works. Thank you! You probably saved me thousands!
I don’t agree fully with them. I have a TRP Operator in 10mm and it runs great. I guess there goes all of our dreams of Wilson Combat making a dedicated line of 10mms 😢
Questions: How short of a reset is too short? Is the Industry chasing shorter ones end up in accidental doubles? Where is the line for carry compared to competition? What is the key to have a smooth recoil .45 ACP 1911? Why are there not more frame mounted RDS to not reciprocate and just get different holsters if needed? Thank you for this format, on-psx-member
Im a fellow gun plumber and was able to shoot a Swenson pistol a few years back, loved it. I own a Bianchi pistol with the big top rail on it and love shooting it.
Thanks Bill and Ken, I love your content and is very informative, especially concerning the old days. I'm really enjoying your book "GUN GUY", THANKS for sharing your amazing story. A must have for every gun owner. I was a gun struck shirt tailed kid in the 70's, and it is nice to learn about the industry when we were younger and had the 70's hair.
I really enjoyed this episode, both the questions and the answers. I agree with the majority of the responses as well. Some thoughts. 1. I see that two questioners tried to get Bill to in effect endorse another custom maker's guns. Face it guys, he isn't going to do this, especially since he believes in his own product so strongly, and with good reason. 2. Back in the 90's I became enchanted with Cooper's Scout Rifle concept, and sunk a bunch of money into the Steyer Scout Rifle. I then tested it extensively against a common Wichester Model 70 wearing a conventionally mounted 2-7X Redfield scope. I found the Model 70 to be superior at ranges from 10 to 300 yards in all respects except for the ability to use stripper clips, and less than one-third the cost. So I wholeheartedly agree with the Gun Guys on this one. I sold the Scout at a loss and never looked back. 3. On retention fire, I agree with Ken except that I have taught the position that he showed further back with the wrist indexed against the body as the default. He is quite right that the eyes should ideally be over the bore of the pistol. Shots will cluster lower on target by the distance of the eye line to the bore, but this is inconsequential in CQB. I taught my new shooters that this technique would be good out to about 3 yards, but many could do well further out. For safety's sake teaching this technique requires high supervision at first. 4. If I could bring back any firearm, an earlier question provides my answer. If someone brought back a fully reliable, commercially produced M1 Carbine at a reasonable price, I think it would be the home defense weapon of choice. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Yes I did enjoy this! Y'all are a wealth of knowledge and I really appreciate you sharing it. I have never been a fan of the 10mm and when I use to hunt my side arm was a S&W 29 44 mag.
Thanks much gents. Have driven by your place now and then Ken (when I was living in Idaho), always wanted to stop, knock on the door, and shake your hand. You've been a great influence on this now Ret LEO and always wished I could have taken a class of yours. You and your buddy Bill sure are enjoyable to watch. Thanks to both of you-
Ken, I loved your comments regarding the red dots on a gun as you age and eye issues. AMEN! I agree with you on a low power scope. I'm old, and your parts have a lot of miles when you get old. Were I in my 20s, I could see like a hawk. Not now, so you find ways to work around limitations.
I love my M1 carbine! It was a refurbished US Postal Works that became a Filipino trainer rifle. I paid $75 for it in 1982. In 2013 I dura coated it in a Vietnam Tigerstripe pattern. It has never failed me,even took down 2 deer in the past.
Great commentary as usual. Right on about the M1 Carbine. One of my favorite little guns. I have also found the prism sights work well in place of a red dot.
great talk on the 10mm. definitely a hard gun to build since ammo can range from .40 S&W power to some nuclear level stuff so it makes sense to find a load that works. Thanks for the tip on the P320 10mm. I had a feeling there'd be some standard Sig beta testing on the first run or two.
Great video again. I agree with yall on kydex vs leather holsters. I just can't bring myself to put a nice metal gun in kydex. Overall I just feel leather os more comfortable.
I've taken apart a kydex holster. Placed a soft left (suede like) material glued inside. As a DIY for a non-leather worker, it went pretty smooth. I definitely prefer leather, and I open carry. But for IWB kidex just works better. You'll also find, a lot of local "bigger" ranges generally has a guy there that can make customers kydex. I had one made for a S&W MP 2.0 with light and red-dot, lefty with a suede inner for right at $100. Very nice holster at a fair price. Still like leather.
I just wanted to say that I have three 1911 pistols in 10mm and I agree with about half of what Ken said. With full power 10mm "Original " loading like back in the 1980's where you could have a 200 grain bullet moving at 1200fps plus , yes I agree , there isn't any pistol design that can reliably handle the 10mm. But alot of us older folks reloaded to fine tune our ammo to make our pistols shoot reliably. And also to have ammo when the 10mm was hard to find. I like a 180 grain bullet moving at around 1200fps with a 22 pound recoil spring in my 1911's, and that calculates to around 500- 550 ft/lb of muzzle energy. Some of my hunting loads generate around 600 or so. If I keep my loads around that power factor with good clean powder, I have hardly any malfunctions of any kind. And a 180 grain bullet with 550 ft/lb of energy will handle things nicely all the way from self defence to medium sized game. I think i might have one function problem every 500 rounds if i were to guess, and they were magazine related if i remember right. Just my 2 cents. Thanks guys for your honest shooting advise, you speak from experience and that's worth more than anything you read in a book.
I've had astigmatism since quite young and it started getting worse around 55. I'm 67 now and was having trouble with that and losing very near vision, but I finally got an eye doctor who knew what he was doing while fitting glasses and the Varilux no-line bifocal lenses to go with it. I've been getting Varilux for while, but this doctor really fined tuned the prescription. It is possible!
Love watching you guys ! Learning that I've been doing some things right ! I've been following you guys for long time since the days when you bought a good magazine and read the articles . So far I'm battling pretty darn good love my old carbines My Father was carrying m2 full auto carbine in Korean war He carried a lot of different guns but he loved his M2 carbine with first kind of starlight scope .
Being blunt is honesty, wish more people were like that now but u might hurt someone’s feelings!!! If u don’t like the truth then change something, simple common sense!
10MM comment coming. The 1911 is my favorite platform and my 6" longslide 1911 is my favorite firearm that I own. It's a hoot to shoot. Yes reliability in feeding is a serious chore. Running "task specific" handloads has solved 95% of my issues. It's my mountain hiking sidearm instead of a 6 shot magnum. To Ken's point about slide speed/high pressure- this is helped immensely by the mass of a longer slide AND being able to push 205gr home cast bullets to 1200 fps with a little less pressure due to the longer barrel. Handloading allows me to "get in tune" with the gun.... Seems most folks shooting the 10MM are carrying 4.6" barrel Glocks or similar. My opinion is the 10MM is task specific to handgun hunting/woods defense and neither requires a small concealed handgun. Whether a Glock 40 or 1911 longslide- the 6" barrel and slide mass makes reliability and accuracy much easier to attain. THANKS!!
Ken, try the primary arms with the cyclops etched reticle. Astigmatism killer. For pistols check out the Holosun 507c x2 with ACSS Vulcan reticle (chevron)…best optics for guys like us.
In my visits with old warriors. I've written a collection of stories, started as a kid. From WWI vets, as a child I visited nursing homes twice a week with my youth pastor to visit these elderly who didn't have vistors. The old guys would talk, tell me stories. I lapped it up, and at a young age started taking notes. Talking to WWII vets. A common theme I found throughout when I posed an obvious question -a fallen soldiers weapon. You would never see an M1 carbine on the ground. Another trooper would grab it, and use his rifle as the marker stuck in the ground to identify location of fallen. They sure loved those carbines. Coveted by the troopers. Light, high rate of fire. A real pleasure to shoot. I own one, unfortunately it is u shootable. Simply not safe. I appreciate it all the same. Maybe some day I can finish my collection and gave a shootable M1 Carbine and M1 Garand. Until then, I'll still cherish my worn out ones.
I know thing for me at least I own Four Sigs One 320, A 365, A 365 XL, The new 365X Macro and Three of those all have Wilson Combat Grip Modules. I can wait until. The 365 X Macro with 17 Round Grip Modules come out because even with the New Grip Module has Three Grip Replacement Pieces to help fit bigger hand. Well I am here to tell you they are No good for me, even with the Wilson Combat Grip Modules I still Put a Hoage Slip on Sleeve to Fit My Hands. I love every single Productyou all Make.
Awesome concept. No surprise that the result is great content. Show me a conversation between these two gents that I don’t want to watch/hear and I’ll show you a topic that wouldn’t have interested me anyway.
@@vaughnsadekni665 No, what you suggest sig already makes, it’s called the 365 X, and it only has 12 round capacity. The new Macro has a 17 round capacity. Completely different grip.
Very good keep up the Great Work Me. I absolutely Love all Wilson Combat. Our 354 has Exact Drag when it’s ejecting so fast the it’s dragging oh so lightly in the 9 mic mic Rounds, it has done that on every model since inception. Not so bad you need to be concerned about it but just the same.
It is baffling how a person can be so right and so wrong at the exact same time. It is also stunning that a person who had so much contact with Col Cooper could so dramatically miss the point. Lot's to unpack here for such a brief interchange: 1. Declaring that the scout rifle is a "dumb concept" and then proceeding to focus upon a single attribute is just ridiculous. The "concept" was the light, handy, do everything rifle. The "scout rifle" that proceeded from that concept included one feature that can certainly be debated but the concept itself is not only sound, Bill Wilson actually seems to defend by attempting to show that a single feature should be different. 2. It is glaringly obvious that neither of these men ever figured out how the scout scope was intended to function. Both should know better. Talking about field of view shows a level of ignorance that stuns me because of who is displaying it. The "looking through the straw" idea misses the point. A properly mounted scout scope with a well designed stock allows for a 180 degree field of view with only a small portion of that FOV containing a slightly magnified image and aiming point. Your eyes accept that small portion of the vision to have a different magnification because it is taking up such a small portion of your vision. It blows my mind that neither of these titans of the gun industry understands this. 3. Strangely, I agree that there are better sighting solutions for the GP rifle. I think an LPVO is in fact, a better choice for "the concept". I also think that the lack of product and training development with the "concept" has handicapped all of us in this discussion. I can't argue that the glass currently available is sub-par. Does that mean the scout scope was a mistake from the beginning? I would argue no, but that is a debatable point. I really wish we could have gotten guys like Bill Wilson to understand the point better so perhaps the optics manufacturers would have developed it better. That ship has clearly sailed though and at this point, the best we can hope for is better and more versatile LPVOs. Overall, irritating. Both of these men should know better.
Bill. Now that Holosun have introduced their RMR based red dot Enclosed Pistol Sight - EPS - model, that works with normal height fixed iron sights, are there any plans to produce the true zero red dot mounting system with normal height iron sights and make this available as an option say on the EDC x9 of SFX9?
Hey Bill are you gonna make a 360 s&w Revolver if you are make sure you put a Quick push button sling attachment on the bottom of the revolver grip The 8 inch raging hunter isn’t bad but I see some improvement is needed
I have only shot 10mm out of a full sized Glock, but the rounds I put through it worked great. Granted, I only put 2 or three mags through it but I was impressed.
Here I sit literally building a 10mm 1911 while listening to this video only to be told by two of worlds most knowledgeable gun people that it's not a good platform for the cartridge.... fingers crossed this thing runs!
I like what Ken said about leather holsters for steel frame pistols, makes sense to me, I'd love to find a very, very basic leather shoulder holster for my 1911, no mag pouches, just a holster for the gun and a strap across the shoulder:)
HA! it just dawned on me(new subscriber) y'all are the Wilson Combat Arms i see in my NRA Shooting Illustrated Magazine. pretty cool! i have only just found this channel. the first one was the 7 shooter sins. pretty cool. i will be following y'all. and i do try some of the drills i read in the mag. again, pretty cool. great video's.
Love these videos. If TH-cam questions are being taken, I’d like to know where Ken got his sport coat he wears in some of the training videos. Thank you.
Good answers. A personal opinion: the scout rifle concept was obsolete the moment the interchangeable magazine became reliable and reasonably common. Because the only reason you need the long-eye-relief scope is to make space for stripper-clip loading. In essence, it was obsolete before it was first made.
Never had an issue with my Sig P220s in 10mm but then again i haven't shot them that much. I do agree that the 10mm in the 1911 is just not a good combo due to the timing issues and the way it beats up the gun.
Ken do you remember the pistol matches near Bartlett Ohio in the 80,s.A friend of mine worked for Novak and used to reloaded so we could save some money on the matches. Great fun.
Well, I like the Leupold 1.5 to 5 power, the Fixed 4 and 6 powers, and, for the wide open spaces a 2.5-10 power. Like you Ken, I can't shoot a red dot it looks like a starburst to me. My get-around was putting a 2.3/4 power Leupold on my 336 30-30. I shoot only as fast as I can put bullets right where I want them to hit. Oh, I am a big fan of the NULA, I got a ULA-24 that I bought in 1994. A NULA M-24 in 30-06, 270, or 7mm Remington Mag would make my retirement.
Bill and Ken is there any possibility of creating a new compatable round for the 1911 say a 475 acp . I know the 50 GI didn't seem to take off.maybe with a slightly longer case than the 45acp but in 475 cal.just wondering.
Glad to hear about that 10 mm as I was actually considering a 10 mm purchase, I'm not in Bear country so I think I'll take you guys advice and back out of that deal.
1911 is a fine platform for 10mm. Don't expect it to shoot every 10mm round on the planet with complete reliability. Choose a round or two and then STICK WITH THEM. Period. It may also help to try two or three different spring weights.
Gentlemen...I just watched your video from a few years ago about customizing Glock's. The Wilson modified Glock is a beautiful thing. While I have several Glock pistols, over the year's I have grown to prefer the S&W M&P's. While not quite as simple to detail strip, in my opinion they are a better pistol. Do you have any plan's to do anything with this line of pistol's in the future?
I absolutely love the episodes with Ken hackathorn.
These 2 men are treasures to the gun community , we thank you for all that you’ve done for the culture 💯
Gentlemen… Thank you! Loved this session. I’m an old guy who was born in the first half of the last century (1948), and a firearms instructor since the 70’s and love to always hear your wisdom.
I think 10 mm is just a modern challenge, even my 1911, Serious Eighty Gold Cup Came with two recoil springs. 185 grain & 230 grain. It's basically a three fifty seven magnum For your auto loader. I think with the right engineering it can be a truly excellent cartridge. I think the argument that it's too powerful is kind of like saying. You don't need that much power under the hood of your car. Pistols have been running flawlessly with 45 acp for a 100 years, Let's accept the challenge of 10mm and give it a hundred year run.
You might not like it, but this is what ideal knowledge transfer looks like.
Great video, gentlemen, thank you from another ‘46 Baby-boomer. Two quick comments follow:
1. Regarding the 10mm, the Smith 610 N Frame is my answer. I have owned a 3.875 inch barrel 610 for decades. It fires (with moon-clips) both .40 S&W and 10mm loads. As you’d expect, it can easily handle any 10mm round - N Frames are extraordinarily solid, durable and high quality revolvers - and it is accurate, unfailingly reliable, and not too difficult to carry (or even to conceal).
2. Regarding Registered Magnums, I entirely agree with Ken’s passion for this utterly SUPERB revolver. I’ll only add that pinned and recessed, target hammer and trigger, Model 27’s are worthy successors (although they’re obviously not RM’s). My five inch barrel, early 1970’s, M27 (it was a present I purchased for me, to celebrate my return from an especially difficult 18 month overseas tour) is my most prized firearm.
Thank you to everyone involved with bringing us this content!
Classic guys with honest and invaluable information.
My two favorite grumpy old men! But seriously two of the very few I completely trust for good information and advice. Add in Massad Thank you, and please keep making these videos
Right on!
Many thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Your masterful education is splendid.
You are very welcome
I think the 38 Super and the 1911 are the perfect combination for those seeking a powerful semi auto with less recoil and more capacity than the 45ACP delivers, and would offer better performance with similar perceived recoil compared to a 9 mm in the 1911 platform.
First I would like to thank you both for passing along your vast talents I have learned so much, I have been a big fan of the both of you I highly doubt there are any finer Gun Guys than yourselves, I also want to say to Mr. Wilson that you make the finest firearms in the industry bar none, I pray that one day that I would have the honor to meet you both when I visit Wilson Combat in Berryville, my question to you is since you make the finest handguns when will you bring back classes at the ranch, God Bless you both.
Great info from very respectable people. Love these duo videos. You guys have so much history and experience. Thank you! You guys are the best!
i’ve always have had a soft spot for M1 carbine , agree 100% Ken 👍🏼👍🏼
Another “Good ‘Un”! As for the 10mm, I’ve heard about issues from other people, but my Glock 20 has ran flawlessly from the start, and I run some pretty spicy hand loads.
I think if I ever buy a 10mm it’ll be a G20. I rented one a couple months ago at the range and it was more pleasant shooting than I expected. Also seem to have a solid reputation same as most other Glocks. Definitely not going to dump good 1911 money into a 10mm.
I've been running my G20 for years and with the exception of some bad ammo I picked up it has run flawlessly. just my personal experience though.
I love my Glock 20. It’s very flexible concerning bullet weight and velocity and extremely accurate for a service pistol (under 0.7” for 5 shots at 8 yards). I can’t remember a single failure in the over 1,000 rounds I’ve fired through it. Good enough for me.
Same here. I've not had any problems with the G20 and I've owned two of them.
My Glock 20 10mm and 29 pitbull 10mm, will shoot any 10mm or .40 s&w ammo just fine, and full power 10mm loads hit like a train.
I thought about getting a 10mm. Mostly due to performance and capabilities of the round. Didn't think much of the firearm itself.
Good thing I held off and just stuck with what works.
Thank you! You probably saved me thousands!
I don’t agree fully with them. I have a TRP Operator in 10mm and it runs great. I guess there goes all of our dreams of Wilson Combat making a dedicated line of 10mms 😢
Really enjoyed this. Great to hear some insights into the gun world we would maybe not hear otherwise.
That was good ! Valuable information here !
Glad it was helpful!
This was a great idea Gentlemen. As a old fella I appreciate the Q&A. Y'all take care, flea 1951
Questions:
How short of a reset is too short? Is the Industry chasing shorter ones end up in accidental doubles? Where is the line for carry compared to competition?
What is the key to have a smooth recoil .45 ACP 1911?
Why are there not more frame mounted RDS to not reciprocate and just get different holsters if needed?
Thank you for this format,
on-psx-member
Really enjoy both of your stories, wisdom and advice!
Im a fellow gun plumber and was able to shoot a Swenson pistol a few years back, loved it. I own a Bianchi pistol with the big top rail on it and love shooting it.
Thanks Bill and Ken,
I love your content and is very informative, especially concerning the old days. I'm really enjoying your book "GUN GUY", THANKS for sharing your amazing story. A must have for every gun owner. I was a gun struck shirt tailed kid in the 70's, and it is nice to learn about the industry when we were younger and had the 70's hair.
For the love of God! Do a segment on your 1,000 different types of magazines! Please!!!!!!!
These videos are great! 👍 I learned a lot from this episode! Thanks for filming these! ...make more! Take care! ✌️
I really enjoyed this episode, both the questions and the answers. I agree with the majority of the responses as well. Some thoughts.
1. I see that two questioners tried to get Bill to in effect endorse another custom maker's guns. Face it guys, he isn't going to do this, especially since he believes in his own product so strongly, and with good reason.
2. Back in the 90's I became enchanted with Cooper's Scout Rifle concept, and sunk a bunch of money into the Steyer Scout Rifle. I then tested it extensively against a common Wichester Model 70 wearing a conventionally mounted 2-7X Redfield scope. I found the Model 70 to be superior at ranges from 10 to 300 yards in all respects except for the ability to use stripper clips, and less than one-third the cost. So I wholeheartedly agree with the Gun Guys on this one. I sold the Scout at a loss and never looked back.
3. On retention fire, I agree with Ken except that I have taught the position that he showed further back with the wrist indexed against the body as the default. He is quite right that the eyes should ideally be over the bore of the pistol. Shots will cluster lower on target by the distance of the eye line to the bore, but this is inconsequential in CQB. I taught my new shooters that this technique would be good out to about 3 yards, but many could do well further out. For safety's sake teaching this technique requires high supervision at first.
4. If I could bring back any firearm, an earlier question provides my answer. If someone brought back a fully reliable, commercially produced M1 Carbine at a reasonable price, I think it would be the home defense weapon of choice. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Yes sir I will agree I got the opportunity to shoot one of your pistols 20 years ago it was awesome
Yes I did enjoy this! Y'all are a wealth of knowledge and I really appreciate you sharing it. I have never been a fan of the 10mm and when I use to hunt my side arm was a S&W 29 44 mag.
Thanks much gents. Have driven by your place now and then Ken (when I was living in Idaho), always wanted to stop, knock on the door, and shake your hand. You've been a great influence on this now Ret LEO and always wished I could have taken a class of yours. You and your buddy Bill sure are enjoyable to watch. Thanks to both of you-
Glad you enjoyed it
Great Question and Answer Session, Thank you both for the insight from you Men.
Our pleasure!
Ken, I loved your comments regarding the red dots on a gun as you age and eye issues. AMEN! I agree with you on a low power scope. I'm old, and your parts have a lot of miles when you get old. Were I in my 20s, I could see like a hawk. Not now, so you find ways to work around limitations.
I love my M1 carbine! It was a refurbished US Postal Works that became a Filipino trainer rifle. I paid $75 for it in 1982. In 2013 I dura coated it in a Vietnam Tigerstripe pattern. It has never failed me,even took down 2 deer in the past.
Great commentary as usual. Right on about the M1 Carbine. One of my favorite little guns. I have also found the prism sights work well in place of a red dot.
great talk on the 10mm. definitely a hard gun to build since ammo can range from .40 S&W power to some nuclear level stuff so it makes sense to find a load that works. Thanks for the tip on the P320 10mm. I had a feeling there'd be some standard Sig beta testing on the first run or two.
Great video again. I agree with yall on kydex vs leather holsters. I just can't bring myself to put a nice metal gun in kydex. Overall I just feel leather os more comfortable.
These guys are so smart thank you for making these videos
"Never ever compromise accuracy for speed" ... Watch that old Henry Fonda western called "The Tin Star" .... highly recommended
Thank you again. Always enjoy your episodes
Thanks again!
Calling it right now. Mas Ayoob is Fuzzy Peach.
Love this channel. Thank you for this format.
Our pleasure!
I've taken apart a kydex holster. Placed a soft left (suede like) material glued inside. As a DIY for a non-leather worker, it went pretty smooth.
I definitely prefer leather, and I open carry. But for IWB kidex just works better.
You'll also find, a lot of local "bigger" ranges generally has a guy there that can make customers kydex.
I had one made for a S&W MP 2.0 with light and red-dot, lefty with a suede inner for right at $100.
Very nice holster at a fair price.
Still like leather.
Fantastic! Thank you both!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just wanted to say that I have three 1911 pistols in 10mm and I agree with about half of what Ken said. With full power 10mm "Original " loading like back in the 1980's where you could have a 200 grain bullet moving at 1200fps plus , yes I agree , there isn't any pistol design that can reliably handle the 10mm. But alot of us older folks reloaded to fine tune our ammo to make our pistols shoot reliably. And also to have ammo when the 10mm was hard to find. I like a 180 grain bullet moving at around 1200fps with a 22 pound recoil spring in my 1911's, and that calculates to around 500- 550 ft/lb of muzzle energy. Some of my hunting loads generate around 600 or so. If I keep my loads around that power factor with good clean powder, I have hardly any malfunctions of any kind. And a 180 grain bullet with 550 ft/lb of energy will handle things nicely all the way from self defence to medium sized game. I think i might have one function problem every 500 rounds if i were to guess, and they were magazine related if i remember right. Just my 2 cents. Thanks guys for your honest shooting advise, you speak from experience and that's worth more than anything you read in a book.
Cool video, I especially enjoyed hearing Bill and Ken’s thoughts on 10mm handguns
Love the carbine, awesome!!
I've had astigmatism since quite young and it started getting worse around 55. I'm 67 now and was having trouble with that and losing very near vision, but I finally got an eye doctor who knew what he was doing while fitting glasses and the Varilux no-line bifocal lenses to go with it. I've been getting Varilux for while, but this doctor really fined tuned the prescription. It is possible!
Love watching you guys ! Learning that I've been doing some things right ! I've been following you guys for long time since the days when you bought a good magazine and read the articles . So far I'm battling pretty darn good love my old carbines My Father was carrying m2 full auto carbine in Korean war He carried a lot of different guns but he loved his M2 carbine with first kind of starlight scope .
The things you can learn just listening to you guys 👍 awesome and thank you
Great to hear!
Enjoyed the conversation fellas, thanks for you insights!
Always a pleasure listening to you two spending a few moments to share a bit of your knowledge. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I bought a Ruger Scout... I tried it as a scout rifle... it's now a hunting rifle with a scope back over the action
Being blunt is honesty, wish more people were like that now but u might hurt someone’s feelings!!! If u don’t like the truth then change something, simple common sense!
Gentlemen,
How does one go about seeking employment opportunity at your new Clarksville Texas facility?
10MM comment coming. The 1911 is my favorite platform and my 6" longslide 1911 is my favorite firearm that I own. It's a hoot to shoot. Yes reliability in feeding is a serious chore. Running "task specific" handloads has solved 95% of my issues. It's my mountain hiking sidearm instead of a 6 shot magnum. To Ken's point about slide speed/high pressure- this is helped immensely by the mass of a longer slide AND being able to push 205gr home cast bullets to 1200 fps with a little less pressure due to the longer barrel. Handloading allows me to "get in tune" with the gun....
Seems most folks shooting the 10MM are carrying 4.6" barrel Glocks or similar. My opinion is the 10MM is task specific to handgun hunting/woods defense and neither requires a small concealed handgun. Whether a Glock 40 or 1911 longslide- the 6" barrel and slide mass makes reliability and accuracy much easier to attain. THANKS!!
Best gun channel by far.
I'm learning a lot about firearms and shooting
wonderful, really enjoyed, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Ken, try the primary arms with the cyclops etched reticle. Astigmatism killer. For pistols check out the Holosun 507c x2 with ACSS Vulcan reticle (chevron)…best optics for guys like us.
The discontinued gun I'd like to see come back is the Sig P239. I own 4 10mm's and my favorite and most reliable is the Sig P220 Legion.
Great info thank you guy
Our pleasure!
I would bring back the HK P7
Good vid per usual gents. Sure would like to take a course by Ken some day using my new Wilson SFT9 I picked up yesterday.
Right on
Enjoyed that. Thanks guys.
Our pleasure!
In my visits with old warriors. I've written a collection of stories, started as a kid. From WWI vets, as a child I visited nursing homes twice a week with my youth pastor to visit these elderly who didn't have vistors.
The old guys would talk, tell me stories. I lapped it up, and at a young age started taking notes.
Talking to WWII vets. A common theme I found throughout when I posed an obvious question -a fallen soldiers weapon.
You would never see an M1 carbine on the ground. Another trooper would grab it, and use his rifle as the marker stuck in the ground to identify location of fallen.
They sure loved those carbines. Coveted by the troopers. Light, high rate of fire.
A real pleasure to shoot. I own one, unfortunately it is u shootable. Simply not safe. I appreciate it all the same.
Maybe some day I can finish my collection and gave a shootable M1 Carbine and M1 Garand. Until then, I'll still cherish my worn out ones.
I know thing for me at least I own Four Sigs One 320, A 365, A 365 XL, The new 365X Macro and Three of those all have Wilson Combat Grip Modules. I can wait until. The 365 X Macro with 17 Round Grip Modules come out because even with the New Grip Module has Three Grip Replacement Pieces to help fit bigger hand. Well I am here to tell you they are No good for me, even with the Wilson Combat Grip Modules I still Put a Hoage Slip on Sleeve to Fit My Hands. I love every single Productyou all Make.
what are your thoughts on the old S&W mod 645 SS 45 acp and do ya'll do work on these old 80s guns
Awesome concept. No surprise that the result is great content. Show me a conversation between these two gents that I don’t want to watch/hear and I’ll show you a topic that wouldn’t have interested me anyway.
Can you talk about the ballistics of 9mm and the AR9? Added benefits of the longer barrel and what is the preferred load for hunting and home defense?
19:19 please just relax and answer the question this is supposedly just for fun
Some great advice there.
Will you make a sig 365x macro grip module?
Just buy the XL grip module and put the p365 slide on it.
@@vaughnsadekni665 No, what you suggest sig already makes, it’s called the 365 X, and it only has 12 round capacity. The new Macro has a 17 round capacity. Completely different grip.
@@PD-we8vf sorry misread your comment. My bad
Very good keep up the Great Work Me. I absolutely Love all Wilson Combat. Our 354 has Exact Drag when it’s ejecting so fast the it’s dragging oh so lightly in the 9 mic mic Rounds, it has done that on every model since inception. Not so bad you need to be concerned about it but just the same.
Thanks 👍
It is baffling how a person can be so right and so wrong at the exact same time. It is also stunning that a person who had so much contact with Col Cooper could so dramatically miss the point.
Lot's to unpack here for such a brief interchange:
1. Declaring that the scout rifle is a "dumb concept" and then proceeding to focus upon a single attribute is just ridiculous. The "concept" was the light, handy, do everything rifle. The "scout rifle" that proceeded from that concept included one feature that can certainly be debated but the concept itself is not only sound, Bill Wilson actually seems to defend by attempting to show that a single feature should be different.
2. It is glaringly obvious that neither of these men ever figured out how the scout scope was intended to function. Both should know better. Talking about field of view shows a level of ignorance that stuns me because of who is displaying it. The "looking through the straw" idea misses the point. A properly mounted scout scope with a well designed stock allows for a 180 degree field of view with only a small portion of that FOV containing a slightly magnified image and aiming point. Your eyes accept that small portion of the vision to have a different magnification because it is taking up such a small portion of your vision. It blows my mind that neither of these titans of the gun industry understands this.
3. Strangely, I agree that there are better sighting solutions for the GP rifle. I think an LPVO is in fact, a better choice for "the concept". I also think that the lack of product and training development with the "concept" has handicapped all of us in this discussion. I can't argue that the glass currently available is sub-par. Does that mean the scout scope was a mistake from the beginning? I would argue no, but that is a debatable point. I really wish we could have gotten guys like Bill Wilson to understand the point better so perhaps the optics manufacturers would have developed it better. That ship has clearly sailed though and at this point, the best we can hope for is better and more versatile LPVOs.
Overall, irritating. Both of these men should know better.
Bill. Now that Holosun have introduced their RMR based red dot Enclosed Pistol Sight - EPS - model, that works with normal height fixed iron sights, are there any plans to produce the true zero red dot mounting system with normal height iron sights and make this available as an option say on the EDC x9 of SFX9?
Always good stuff!!
Thanks again!
The best yet! And its basically free!
I mostly shoot rifles, I find lots of people shoot for speed, and subsequently miss. I think by practicing the speed will come.
Hey Bill are you gonna make a 360 s&w Revolver if you are make sure you put a Quick push button sling attachment on the bottom of the revolver grip The 8 inch raging hunter isn’t bad but I see some improvement is needed
I have only shot 10mm out of a full sized Glock, but the rounds I put through it worked great. Granted, I only put 2 or three mags through it but I was impressed.
Here I sit literally building a 10mm 1911 while listening to this video only to be told by two of worlds most knowledgeable gun people that it's not a good platform for the cartridge.... fingers crossed this thing runs!
I like what Ken said about leather holsters for steel frame pistols, makes sense to me, I'd love to find a very, very basic leather shoulder holster for my 1911, no mag pouches, just a holster for the gun and a strap across the shoulder:)
Perhaps check out Garrity Gunleather?
HA! it just dawned on me(new subscriber) y'all are the Wilson Combat Arms i see in my NRA Shooting Illustrated Magazine. pretty cool! i have only just found this channel. the first one was the 7 shooter sins. pretty cool. i will be following y'all. and i do try some of the drills i read in the mag. again, pretty cool. great video's.
Love these videos.
If TH-cam questions are being taken, I’d like to know where Ken got his sport coat he wears in some of the training videos. Thank you.
Thanks guys I love all your video’s
Good answers. A personal opinion: the scout rifle concept was obsolete the moment the interchangeable magazine became reliable and reasonably common. Because the only reason you need the long-eye-relief scope is to make space for stripper-clip loading. In essence, it was obsolete before it was first made.
Never had an issue with my Sig P220s in 10mm but then again i haven't shot them that much.
I do agree that the 10mm in the 1911 is just not a good combo due to the timing issues and the way it beats up the gun.
Ken do you remember the pistol matches near Bartlett Ohio in the 80,s.A friend of mine worked for Novak and used to reloaded so we could save some money on the matches. Great fun.
You may know a lot, but not a lot about the scout rifle concept ;-). It is much more than just the forward mounted scope.
Well, I like the Leupold 1.5 to 5 power, the Fixed 4 and 6 powers, and, for the wide open spaces a 2.5-10 power. Like you Ken, I can't shoot a red dot it looks like a starburst to me. My get-around was putting a 2.3/4 power Leupold on my 336 30-30. I shoot only as fast as I can put bullets right where I want them to hit. Oh, I am a big fan of the NULA, I got a ULA-24 that I bought in 1994. A NULA M-24 in 30-06, 270, or 7mm Remington Mag would make my retirement.
Well you didn't get to mine but still the most educational gun channel on YT!
Thank- you!
Best to ya',,,,!
Bill and Ken is there any possibility of creating a new compatable round for the 1911 say a 475 acp . I know the 50 GI didn't seem to take off.maybe with a slightly longer case than the 45acp but in 475 cal.just wondering.
Great session!
Thanks guys for continuing with these videos.. SOLID GOLD! 🏆
As for 10mm, I run Underwood in my G20 Gen4 , it runs like a champ and very accurate
What weight/load is that?
Glad to hear about that 10 mm as I was actually considering a 10 mm purchase, I'm not in Bear country so I think I'll take you guys advice and back out of that deal.
Great video - thanks
Glad it was helpful!
What about the XDM elite 10mm any thoughts on that one?
1911 is a fine platform for 10mm. Don't expect it to shoot every 10mm round on the planet with complete reliability. Choose a round or two and then STICK WITH THEM. Period. It may also help to try two or three different spring weights.
Next Q&A, it would be nice to see coffee and sticky buns on the table.
Solid insight on the 10mm.
Gentlemen...I just watched your video from a few years ago about customizing Glock's. The Wilson modified Glock is a beautiful thing. While I have several Glock pistols, over the year's I have grown to prefer the S&W M&P's. While not quite as simple to detail strip, in my opinion they are a better pistol. Do you have any plan's to do anything with this line of pistol's in the future?