Yeah...This is Overpowered | Hinata, Dawn-Crowned | Commander Deck Tech | EDH | Magic the Gathering
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With all the videos I've seen about Hinata, I feel like every Hinata deck has to run an aggressive counterspell suite to protect the commander and board control spells.
What? No way. *Proceeds to run a bunch of counter spells and boardstate protection in my version.*
@@andrewspears8891 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ve been running this deck for the last 3 weeks at my lgs and it is an immediate target by everyone at the table. You can’t even really play the deck with out a ton of counters.
@@NTGaming00 yes because people know what it can do 🤷♂️
@@davidhowell1415 yeah not saying it’s not the right thing to do just was agreeing with OP. You play Hinata you have to be ready to counter a lot because everyone is going for you.
This is what I was waiting for, I’ve already built Hinata and this video makes me even more hyped to finally play it with my pod
Couldn't wait for this deck tech to come out! Hell yes!
My lowest TCGPlayer market price is currently $2.23 for my Fifth Dawn printing. Sub-$2 was fun while it lasted.
I finally built this deck, using most of your decklist! It was terrifyingly effective & oh so much fun to play those ridiculously discounted spells! ❤️ Thanks, Mitch!!!
Very first draft from this set, I pulled Hinata. Ever since the spoiler quicktake, I've been excited for this commander. Going to be buying this decklist, and then, of course, modifying it here and there.
I initially took the route of Hinata x spells full send, but then changed it more towards jeskai good stuff and spell slinger to make the deck much more resilient to losing hinata, but still have a decent number of x spells, just not an overkill amount. I’ve found my playgroup removed hinata a lot less since the deck doesn’t fold when hinata is removed.
Been waiting for this! Shouts out to the patron, yall made a great choice
You should make a break the bank version of this. Most of the good X spells and multiple target cards cost more than a dollar.
Please list some, I'm trying to make this deck but add upgrades
i loved this deck. im just building one, now i have to test it.
I knew that opening Hinata in a pack meant that I'd build a deck for her!
But I'm going to find a way to play Scorched Earth in my deck 😈
Was watching this while cracking packs and pulled Hinata. Guess I know what I'm building! 😆
I was thinking of an artifact and enchantment build built around Dance of the Manse but that's looking expensive and this looks great. I love that Channeled Force is a great wheel(if you can copy it which is possible) and a great burn spell for essentially 2.
Hinata is the most powerful Commander option to come from Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty without a doubt. Some cards that aren't quite budget but have been amazing in my Hinata build: Volcanic Offering, Heliod's Intervention, Eerie Interlude, Aurelia's Fury, By Force, Disorder in the Court and Reality Spasm. The disparity in resource-management makes Hinata an absolutely feared General at the table!
They used to be budget until Hinata was released :p (also Distorting Wake for 3 mana Cyclonic Rift!)
@@waaaaaaah5135 Oh yeah! Hinata is a stud.
Built this deck for myself on a budget and I love it
Incredible video! I cannot wait to build a Hinata deck now!
Sounds absolutely awesome! I'd also like to see a 'Break the Bank' for this one. Great content!!
Excited to run this one! Had about half the cards in my collection and ordered the rest!
I know it costs $2.00, but adding Storm-Kiln Artist would be very good in this deck!
Oh. My. God.
1 - I'm building this right MEOW
2 - I love your channel !
Love the base deck but here's a suggestion for when you do you'r upgrade episode. Tamiyo, the moon sage, Inexorable Tide, and Mizzix the Izmagnus. I think you can see the crazy interactions with these three cards.
Glad to see a lot of cards I was planning to add to my hinata deck are here, makes me feel better about my choices xD
but I'd also really like to recommend a specific one! rolling thunder is a sorcery worth 2 red and X. it deals X damage divided as you choose among ANY NUMBER of target creatures and players; as such you can target every creature on the board and all players (including your own and yourself) to crank X up, then only split the damage between your opponents, acting as great finisher. works especially well versus token spam decks. all for about 12 cents!
oh, and as per the official rules, ALL aura spells target, so hinata gives those a discount too; definitely something worth keeping in mind
So I have been wanting to build this deck and thought I'd mention a fairly cheap but really OP card for the deck. Aurelia's Fury. It's an X red white instant that you can target any number of players and/or creatures dealing X damage divided as you choose among those targets. Players dealt damage cannot cast non-creature spells that turn and tap all creatures dealt damage this way. It was only $4.00 (US) for a copy. So it may not be less than $1.00, but still affordable.
I found dovescape to be a hilarious addition to my hinata deck. Turns the game into a massive arms race to get the most birds out which you will most likely win due to your commander.
The bird legion cometh.
I’ve never seen this card and I’m cracking up 🤣 how funny is that. You can’t have anything but doves. That’s all you can have. I love it!!
@@starmanda88 It really does scale insanely fast too. With each bird made, you have another target for your x spells. Very hard to remove as well since most removal besides reclamation sage is a non-creature spell!
Yessssss, I bought a showcase art because I knew I was gonna build this!
One card you missed here is Crackle With Power, which just lets you detonate multiple opponents and creatures if you have extra mana. Because it scales on x*5, you can get absurd numbers out of it.
For example: if you make x=3, it deals 15 to each of three targets (ie, opponents), while reducing the cost from 11 to 8. Because of how it scales, every 2 mana you pay on top of this increases the damage by 5 to each target, and hits an additional target. Alternately, a much more efficient way to increase the damage is to add in a 2 cmc spell copier to double the damage, as the x value is copied (eg. 10 mana: deal 30 to three target players). I've won several games with just this combo, while holding up Rite/Pact to counter any potential counterspells.
Fun! Pulled this card from a Kamigawa pack when we played sealed ^^ Maybe I’ll slap a deck together using your list as a template. Thanks ♥️
Curse of Swine should have been the golden pig of the deck as its the only pig
These videos deserve so much more likes. For us broke guys who can’t afford magic thank you!
I've been waiting for this one. Are you going to do a break the bank versions for this deck?
Thank you Mitch🙏 I bought the showcase version and was really looking forward to this. Could you cover Hogaak at some point?
For a deck like this, Glaring Spotlight might be a good budget include.
Neato... i just got my copy of Hinata awhile ago at my local lgs.
Hinata with some good protection creatures and some creatures that can gain control makes this deck so good. I’ve added things like Kira,great glass spinner and willbreaker. it makes it very hard for people to target Hinata while he’s in play.
I put orvar, feather, and the secondary commander from strixhaven that doubles magecraft triggers in my deck. We're going to have a LOT of fun.
My hinata was getting wins first 3 of 4 games with crackle with power combos and few others lol funnest deck I've made in a while
Using this for advice on building a Hinata based Modern deck
Already built a combo deck with Hinata (it's so cool!), yesterday I decided to make a budget brew to show how overpowering she is...you reading my mind, Mitch?
I'd put in Swiftfoot Boots and Neurok Stealthsuit in as extra insurance for Hinata. Also for lands, I think ones with cycling would be good, because with Hinata reducing your spells so much, means you don't need a lot of lands in play. So with cyclable lands you could potentially trade in a land that you don't need for a card that you could use. But that's just my opinion.
Seems great
Aurelia's Fury is a good addon even if it is a $7 card. Instant for XRW : deals x DMG among any number of target creatures and/or players divided how you choose. Tap all creatures damaged this way and each player damaged this way can't cast non creature spells this turn. So with Feather the Redeemed out... You target everything and everyone to bump the x up, then damage only opponents stuff for the lulz, and get it back to cast again for RW.
I added a few extra creatures to this deck, including Hypersonic Dragon (let's us cast those big sorceries at instant speed), Lunar Mystic (1 mana card draw ability when you cast an instant), Goblin Electromancer (another mana reducer), and Storm-Kiln Artist (creates a treasure token every time you cast an instant or sorcery, allowing you to actually NET mana when you cast a spell with Hinata out).
What’d u take out
I feel as though harmonic prodigy, even though the triggers might not happen often, would be a great addition to the deck.
i'll totally get an harmonic prodigy and a veyran
This card is very powerful in its own peculiar deck, and probably very good at winning if one build around that.
But as someone who built this deck for a neon Dynasty Showdown using mostly only cards I own, the deck is powerful but also still very mana hungry. The deck I made got 1 play pattern, keep everyone occupied and let them best each other down while you control the field, then when you got enough mana and their life low enough you blast them and win. Everytime I played it it's been super fun and really interactive, but the game plan is just "Stay alive".
With launch the fleet you can also target your opponents creatures on your turn to make the spell bigger and they won’t get the Benifit from it
Welp I just whiffed on a few neon dynasty collector packs and the best card I got was Hinata…..I’ll take this as a sign
Honestly I'd like to see an auras type build since they target what they're enchanting
A break the bank of hinata would be interesting
I love my Hinata deck but in my pod every time they see it I am the target no matter what. Understandable you never really need more than 4 mana to operate the deck.
Nice video made me realize 2 cards I forgot to pull for my collection. How much mana are you running in the deck? I am running 32 with 10 rocks it seems to operate mostly smooth with the exception of my 3 and 4 blue pip spells(only 2 of them).
I love the card and theory but I have to build a skithrix deck and a Go-Shinta deck first.
Main problem I find with using go-shintai as a commander is it does nothing without shrines and only having 16 options 17 counting him means it's hard to actually draw shrines since for a good tribal deck you usually want 30 or so of that tribe/ gameplan lol i ended up using sisay for my commander since i can just use her to tutor the exact shrine i need.
Dismiss into Dreams is neat, but Willbreaker can be pretty dang ridiculous...
If you put in Scholar Of The Ages, Semester's End becomes a repeatable pseudo Fog/Protection effect. It won't be perfect, but it will be funny, especially since it is cast at instant speed and can target any creature. And, with Hinata, Semester's End will be reduces to just one white mana anyways, so keeping up 3 white mana shouldn't be hard at all.
A brake the bank version of this deck would make it so much stronger, you get dualcaster mage combo, you get archmage emeritus, you get orvar, merchant scroll, kykar, Blatant thievery, mavinda, helipads intervention and so much more
Mirrorhall mimic is hilariously effective here as well, possibly with a drogskol captain.
What's better than one hinata?
Two hinata with Hexproof.
You missed a couple of really good cards for this deck, but I noticed a couple of good ones in this video that I missed too. Here's my suggestions:
*Geistlight Snare* - Hinata is a Spirit, so if Hinata is on the board it only costs U.
*Soulfire Grandmaster* - Very similar to the Scrollwielder.
*Eerie Interlude* - Another great protection spell.
*Disorder in the Court* - Similar to Semester's End and Eerie Interlude, but incentivizes bouncing every creature on the board, and rewards you with Clues.
*Sublime Epiphany* - Can be incredibly cheap to cast with a plethora of effects.
*Mass Manipulation* - Just steal everyone's creatures
*Aurelia's Fury* - Pings and taps everything, but more importantly stops players casting non-creature spells for a turn when you can see they're about to combo.
*Heliod's Intervention* - more fantastic removal for Artifacts and Enchantments
*Crackle With Power* - The single best finisher for the deck
*Brash Taunter* - Dealing mass damage? Target this guy and point it where it needs to go.
*Monk Class* - Gives a useful discount on spells, can bounce, and will eventually start feeding you an extra spell every turn.
*Glaring Spotlight* - I can't stress enough how important this is. Hexproof is the bane of this deck, and blanket hexproof will neuter it.
*Detection Tower* - As above, too important to not take.
I also leaned into tapping creatures as a sub theme, and took spells which became one mana cantrips like Repel the Darkness, Pressure Point, Shelter, which help to stay card-positive while spellslinging. Here's my build for comparison: deckstats.net/decks/131148/2420386-kirin-boi#show__spoiler although I will be reviewing it to include some of the cards you recommended.
And Rolling Thunder, XRR Sorcery, divide x damage among any number of targets.
Geistlight: already plenty of good counter spells in the video.
Soulfire: its a 3 dollar card. Not sure if you even watched the video or this channel before but he only puts cards in under $1
Eerie interlude: its a 1.50 card see above.
Disorder: 1.50$ card, again see above.
Sublime: lowest market price is around 4$...
Mass manipulation: $3 card...
Aurelia's: 6$ card...
Heliods: 5$ card...
Crackle: 7$ card...
Brash taunter: 3$ card...
Monk class: so far the only card you brought up under 1$ on a budget edh channel with an under 1$ limit on cards. Kind of slow for the commander though, you shouldnt be having an issue keeping a stream of cards coming in considering you have access to both blue and red so have access to good draw and impulse draw cards without needing an enchant that can be destroyed.
Spotlight: good suggestion may not have been under 1$ (since its price fluctuates a lot it seems to above and below 1$ ) when he made the video. Or just didnt consider it a big deal since blanket hexproof is more of a rare effect and there are other cards that can deal with the hexproof generators like generous gift and such in the list already.
Detection tower: 1$ market price rn so yeah.
You brought up mostly cards well above 1$ when his opening segment of the video and his channel as a whole is about decks made with cards under a dollar.
@@fallendeus5641 I didn't know that was his channel concept, I just thought he was saying that the card the commander makes effective are cheap, not like it was a hard rule. I also don't live in the US, so $ prices are not obvious to me, and our demand/card economy is different. All of the cards I listed are relatively cheap and easy to get, I think I spent
@@Hedgemonkey5 yeah his whole channel is literally commander on a budget and all his deck techs ( with the exception of his "break the bank" videos his budget is only cards that are less than 1$ and usually the entire deck is around 50$. As for making padeem a vehicle this deck has many ways around it.. you wither bounce or destroy the enchantment. Hinata has white, one of the best ways to deal with enchantments. Dont need to do anything special with getting rid of hexproof although that isnt a terrible inclusion. Also idc about price personally. I just meant that he does for his videos, i dump stupid amounts of money into cardboard rectangles lol
Big agree on the glaring spotlight, I was gonna mention that too, also, a leyline of anticipation would give it some extra teeth
If I'm correct, I think that rewind would cost two mana, and unwind would have a mana value of one, because it also targets lands.
In that case, peregrine drake would net you quite a bit of mana
_"This specimen appears to be broken"_
Incorrect. You don't target any lands to untap. It would 100% say if it targeted them. So hinata only discounts each by one.
@@CKarasu13 Aw man...
I thought I was onto something
Thanks for pointing that out though
One of two sleepers I've noticed in Neon Dynasty
I love that Zaffai's text is still incorrect and the only correct, online version you can quickly find is the mtgo version.
Just got hinata frm a pack and I’m tryna make a deck with it now
Was expecting Rolling Thunder for the golden pig. Must have price creeped while I wasn't looking
I had to get rid of fire diamond, marble diamond, sky diamond, mind stone, and sunbird's invocation. I sub'd in sol ring, arcane signet, fellwar stone, thought vessel, and soulfire eruption
Price updates:
generous gift: $2.07
jaya's immolating inferno: $2.06
icy blast: $1.15
march of swirling mist: $1.69
paradoxical outcome: $1.03
whirlwind of thought: $2.22
feather, the redeemed: $1.31
liquimetal torque: $1.22
azorius signet: $1.50
metallurgic summonings: $10
young pyromancer: $1.06
you're welcome. A lot can change in one week.
You’re looking at the prerelease version of summonings I’m sure. Still under a buck easy
Wow something with blue in it's casting cost is OP... I'm shooocked...
You should check the Storm Artifact version of this. I say that's the best built for Hinata.
do you have some link?
You can watch the gameplay here and the link is in the description.
th-cam.com/video/hfqNlL55Ar0/w-d-xo.html
I really hope you make an upgrade video for this commander
Also, she says "spells" cost one less for each target... this includes creature spells. Bogardan Hellkite is a 5/5 that can drop 5 damage spread as you like at instant speed for 2 red mana.
No, it doesn’t work like that. The trigger isn’t on the spell, it’s on the creature entering the battlefield. Since the spell itself doesn’t have targets, Hinata doesn’t reduce the mana for it. She does, however, reduce the mana for counterspells
@@TheMaddestHatter234 thank you. that makes me sad, but thank you
Write that down! Write that down!
I had built this deck, and even though I love playing “toxic” stuff, this was to much. So I gave it to my friend.
how much did the whole deck cost?
@@andrewhawkinson3410 I think in total, everything comes/ came out to around $100. But I had most of the stuff so it was Pennie’s at my LGS for what I didn’t have.
I really wonder how you would do a commander Deck with juri master of the revue. I have seen so many approaches to it online and im very unsure which direction it should go
Yessss
This kinda builds itself.
I'm really tempted to build this deck.
My only question is, what is the win condition goal? Sure we are abusing mass target effects, but what does that do to win the game? We can bounce their stuff all day long, but how does that win us the game? What combo are we driving at?
Also, how do I calculate triple X spells? Crackle with Power is a good one. How do I calculate that spell?
willbreaker would be great in this deck
I've decided to one-up control by making a Land-Hate Hinata deck
I just realized that she has a phyrexian ability🤔🤯
How about Goblin Electromancer? Reduces the cost of instant and sorcery spells.
Likely too little utility for a slot. Might as well use Mizzix
Would the land untap triggers from unwind and rewind also count as targets because you have to choose which lands
Same as enchantments because the rules on “enchant (etc.)” is that it’s a specified target but still a target
So does it make (X) cost free for each target? Because idk if I need to have the mana available first, and then it gets discounted by the commander. Can't find rulings for this commander exactly
What do you think of Turbulent Dreams?
Would you guys be able to do a Tibalt, Cosmic Imposter deck? I got him recently and am trying to find a more budget friendly deck build but its difficult for me.
I bought a prosper precon & added him into that keeping prosper as the commander with some other edits, I’m still tuning it but it does some pretty nasty combos
Friend made a Hinata deck and won the first time using it by dealing 71 damage to EACH of us. Another friend is so terrified by Hinata that he made a Gaddock Teeg deck just to counter Hinata.
So yeah, super overpowered
How did they deal 71 damage to each player since that sounds insane
@@duanedeal7139 my friend used Crackling with Power with 35 free mana because of Hinata
errata coming soon
Whats the difference between this video and the one a month ago? Both were about hinata being broke
"Playtest? What is that?"
- Probably the one in charge of playtesting in "Magic:The Gathering" R&D
I've been looking for a deck for Dismiss into Dream since it was printed and yeah, it's really dumb in this deck. It straight up shut down an opposing Feather, the Redeemed for me.
In other news the sky is blue!
Correct me if im wrong, but isn't X technically not free if we were to let's say target Curse of the Swine for 3 creatures. Then it should be calculated as X = 3 and we have to pay 2BB?
Willbreaker my man, you forgot Willbreaker. Less than a buck and you gain control of any creature you target
i have a question could you make a hug deck with these cards???
Would Izzet Guildmage work in this?
i watched through this video twice. how many of each lands are there? only basic lands right? cause i didn't see any fetch lands, most likely because those are all super expensive.
Quick question does the spell "Farewell" work with hinata
No. Because farewell like most all field wipes, don't target anything technically. Just like how a field wipe can destroy something with hexproof, because hexproof prevents it from being the target of a spell or ability, since it isn't targeting it it is destroyed. Mtg is very precise with keywords.
Would crackle with power work with this commander?
REMEMBER TO ADD ELEMENTALIST'S PALETTE TO THE DECK
Need help!!!
[Hinata + Comet Storm]
How much mana do I have to pay, if I target a player how is at 10 life and 9 of his creatures to deal leathel damage. Some say RR because she pays for the kicker. Others say 9RR. Who is right?
Wouldn't kicker/multikicker not proc like that? Because it declares targets after the card is cast, and therefore after cost is paid, so you wouldn't get the discount on mana cost per target, wouldn't you?
It doesn’t work like that, but not for that reason. You kick a spell as you cast it, which means by the time you’re actually spending mana, the spell already has the extra targets, so it does get the discount. However, it does not work the way he said it does in the video; Kicker costs are an additional cost, as opposed to X being part of the mana cost itself. So choosing more targets isn’t free, it still costs 1 mana. It just also gives an extra free mana to put into X.
i got hinata in a random pack a few days ago, and my friends and i quickly figured out how busted this is in commander
ban incoming?
I made a super budget build of this guy a week or so back
However in it's first game I got absolutely destroyed....
Weird how much my deck ended up like this one. Some differences, but definitely similar
Problem is that Hinata is easy to hate out of the game unless you have plenty of cointerspells. Especially cheap ones. Kinda hard to do on a budget.
I dare say Hinata and Isshin are the two best commanders from the set, and neither use green whaaaa?!
Wait, so Hinatas ability does not only count paying "x" into a spell, but the ability considers ANY cards that have the word "target" in them?
yes. Cards like Magma Opus have reduced cost too
@@dantetaranto4434 thanks!
You gotta kick comet storm BEFORE you get the extra targets. I don't think you get more than -1
You pay for the kicker as part of its casting cost
The kicker cost is part of the casting cost if paid. So, Hinata would pay the cost of the kicker.
Cool, I just didn't know the kicker rules
Wtf are you talking about? Targets for ANY spell are chosen before you pay for the spell.
@@fallendeus5641 Relax, Luci, check the thread