Flash Triggers Causing White Balance Issues
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- See why some triggers result in warmer photos, where the problem is coming from, and how you can avoid it. Below are links to material mentioned in the vide:
My real estate photography series:
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Learn interior photography:
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Center-pin adapter:
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For Canon, use this Nikon xPro trigger:
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For Nikon, use this Canon xPro trigger:
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There have been significant changes since I made this video, so I'd encourage everyone to watch the newer video at th-cam.com/video/EPBaE01ospQ/w-d-xo.html
I'll be damned! Wondered why all my flash images were yellow when using the R2 trigger. Thanks for this fix, Nathan!
A quick note on AWB vs. manual WB, TTL, and HSS (since I'm getting a lot of questions regarding that): Interior real estate photography is optimized by shooting in AWB (not manual Kelvin) ,TTL is never used, and HSS isn't necessary either. This is necessary for interior real estate photography (more on that in my interiors e-book at www.amazon.com/dp/B0755KXSL4 ), and the workarounds I show here are geared toward interior real estate photography...you can easily revert them when you need to use TTL or HSS for other work. Moreover though, this issue is a bug. As I mentioned in the video, Godox is now aware of this bug and they are working toward fixing it for these triggers (hopefully they will). As others have commented here though, this also occurs with other "smart" triggers like YNs. As I also show in the video, there are simple ways to work around this problem.
Has Godox fixed this yet? 2 years later
I just added a hot shoe adapter and now I can see how off my white balance was without the adapter. I'm using a Godox Xpro-C with Yongnuo and Neewer speedlites.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073WVW9XM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00
Man I just sold my Canon 5d Mk ii because of this ... thought something was happening with the camera ...dang ... that was a great camera too!!! DANG!!! DANG!!! DANG!!!
Hi Nathan. Excellent video as usual. I just switched to the Godox V1+ Pro Trigger for my Nikon and wondered what the hell was going on with the WB !? You've answered the question and after testing, Capture NX-D EXIF data shows that the flash isn't recognised if you cover just the top pin contact, the flash detector contact. I did this on the camera hot shoe with some non conductive tape, as a temporary fix. Hopefully Godox will work on a fix in the near future. Thanks again :)
Could my morning be any better, COOL and Coffee....great information, your attention to detail, information is second to none.....AND the sharing of information to help us all become experts...is Amazing.....my deepest respect.
Whoa Sherlock Cool! Great detective work. I had this issue for a while. It went away once I stacked a Yonguo RF603-II between my D750 and the XPro. Annoyingly, I had to put tape between the Younguo and Godox triggers to make everything work properly and unfortunately that meant I lost the ability to use High Speed Sync, which can be helpful when fighting against bright sunlight, BUT it obviously accidentally fixed this problem. I have to say I didn't really notice that doing this had fixed it, but now I've seen your video, suddenly it's all clicking into place. So, I guess one side point is you say that it's a bug that Godox presents itself as an SB-900 even in manual mode and it shouldn't, but then if it didn't, I think you'd lose HSS ability, so they probably ought to make it a menu option so that people can choose.
THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! I did a shoot a few days ago on a large, high end house that had a lot of light colored wood and some light earth tone walls. No matter what I did I could tell I was getting far too warm colors in my flash shots. I thought I had been getting my white balance wrong somehow for some time now but this house proved extreme. It really hampered my workflow in post. This explains so much, I'm glad it wasn't just me. Again, thank you for the information and the temporary solutions. I also appreciate you reaching out to the manufacturer to get the issue resolved.
Nathan, you have saved me so much time. You hit the nail on the center of the head. I just tested what you said using an old simple cowboy trigger, and white balance is back to my pictures...thank you very much for your thoughtful analysis. You are the best!
I just checked this, using a Sony a7III and an old first generation R2 trigger (I didn't have a R2 pro for canon, I wanted everything in my test to be the same, except trigger type) and an eVOLV 200 (all my gear purchased at Adorama). I've been having horrible problems getting colors correct, both in real estate and in portraits. I took a picture in my room using the Sony R2 trigger and then a Canon R2 trigger. The results were exactly as Nathan showed. My Sony R2 showed an orange tint to the room wall color, which is tan like Nathan's room. The Canon R2 trigger showed the wall in the proper tan color. THIS IS SO MADDENING that Godox/Adorama did not catch this problem. I have been in despair over how much trouble I have had in getting colors right, and now I find the problem was in the gear I trusted. ADORAMA--light a fire under Godox and get this problem fixed, now.
For Sony users, another solution is to pick up a R2 trigger for Canon to fix this until Godox releases firmware to fix the Sony triggers. I only have the first gen Canon R2 trigger, so don't know if the PRO and PROII Canon triggers will also work.
Hey Nathan, watched the video a couple times and came to my own conclusion. I figured that my trigger was the cheapest component. I took a dremel to my R2-Tii and shaved all but the center pin to nothing. The results are fantastic. I would say to others if you have a steady hand and are using the appropriate safety equipment this is a great option.
Superb bit of sleuthery, Nathan! Thank you. I have X-Pro triggers for both Sony and Fuji so it's clear which solution appeals to me. I'll do some testing tomorrow. One other thing: Congratulations for actually being able to engage Godox with this issue. In my considerable experience, Godox customer service NEVER responds to inquiries. Their customer service email address as shown on their website is a dead letter office.
Thank you for the video. I’m still having this problem with my Sony camera and Xpro. You are the only one talked about this problem in TH-cam. Any better solution now please?
I'm planning on a new video on this subject soon, in the meantime make sure to check your exif like I show in the video to see if this is the root of the problem.
@@NathanCoolPhoto Thank you for your reply Nathan. I think 100% it’s the same problem. It changes color based on the camera’s white balance, I didn’t know it was from the trigger tho. Looking forward to your new solution video!
Nathan this was a good thing you did in helping clarify this issue with ‘smart’ triggers. After you recorded the 1st video to identify this problem, I bought a set of Cactus triggers and will be testing your ‘stacked trigger’ method and see whether this changes things for me. It is my hope that the manufacturer will acknowledge and fix the problem for all of us who own ‘smart’ triggers. Seems like someone missed a step in the programming phase during production. Or they don’t fully understand the nuances of white balance. Superb detective work on your part.
Thank you very much.
You are amazing! Excellent, excellent, excellent information! I've been having trouble and maybe this will help. Thanks so much!
Thanks for this piece of information.
I was getting the same WB problem out of my Gadox X-Pro and i was not understanding why.
Do you know of any solutions for the Sony a7 series. I shoot with the a7iii and the white balance is terrible with the godox X-1 transmitter. The hotshoe mount is different than all other cameras and I havent been able to find a one prong adapter that works.
I'm in the same boat as you...did you ever find any solution???
Wow, excellent work. I've been disappointed recently with my real-estate shoots as colors seemed off. Will now try stacking for my next session. Thank you for the great information.
I wish our photographers could see this. This could fix their flash issues to make our editing faster than fixing almost all errs.
Outstanding. Excellent detective work Mr. Cool! Thanks for this informative video!
Well, that explains some things I've had troubles with. Thanks Nathan!
I just upgraded from Yongnuo gear to Godox gear and I just made the mistake of buying the correct xPro trigger for my Lumix camera xD! haha, I totally forgot that we need to buy the wrong trigger (say canon for lumix) to quickly shoot easy auto white balanced ambient photos. $70 later.. at least I'll have the Olympus one in case I need HSS. Had to come back to this video 3 years later into my journey! Studying right now for a real estate license in FL!
Great video as usual and very helpful to us Godox shooters! Thanks so much!
I received two of the single pin hot shoe adapters for my Canon 5D Mark iii and it will not fire. I'm using a Flashpoint R2 trigger. I thought maybe the first adapter was a dud, so I tried the second. Will not work! I'm more disappointed than angry. Any idea what could be the issue? I'll add a link to the adapter I purchased.
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B073WVW9XM?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
Having this same issue with my Flashpoint 600 and pro trigger on Sony! Thanks a ton. Going to see if I can tape up the pins.
Same issue for me with a Canon 6d Mark II and the R2 transmitter except the colors come out so bad that white balance correction alone wouldn't fix it, I would always have to de-saturate yellow and orange too. Also, TTL is not the only reason for the feedback from transmitter to camera, it can be used during tethered shooting to control the lights and camera through one interface, but that possibility is ruined too. I use reflector tape from Harbor Freight to cover the extra pins on the camera hotshoe since it is thick and the surface is slick enough for the transmitter pins to slide on and off without grabbing the tape. Love my Flashpoint lights but they need to fix this problem.
I just put a tiny piece of scotch tape over the sensors on the actual trigger itself. Easy little work around until they fix this issue. (I use Adorama Flashpoint gear and their "Flashpoint Specialist" told me to try that when I called him about the issue.)
Fat Tony Can you help me where to put the piece of scotch tape?
Thanks for this , this issue has been driving me mad .
Thank you for finding the cause and explaining it to us.
I've had this annoying issue with the combo Nikon D7000 + XPro + FP Li-on X R2. Finally I found the solution in your channel, problem solved.
This immediately fixed the issue for me, thanks!
Great info. I noticed the white balance issue with the Xpro awhile back and just learned to live with it. I did try a couple of these work-arounds after watching the video. Tried taping over one of the pins on the Nikon. Also got a Canon Xpro trigger. Both worked as far as fixing the white balance issue. However, HSS will not work with either of these solutions. I guess because all the correct info isn't being sent between camera and flash. I use HSS quite a bit, so these solutions are not going to work for me. Hoping for a fix from Godox.
I never use HSS for REP...no need for it. For other work, like portraits that may benefit from HSS, then I set my Kelvin manually, which can use the native trigger as before. This issue is only for AWB, which for me is only REP...everything else I do with flash uses manual Kelvin.
Wow, I had been seeing this color balance issue for a while but it didn't seem to happen in all shots. I wrongly assumed that it was a flash issue. I'm using a Canon D5 IV and a Godox smart trigger. Hopefully Godox comes up with a firmware update soon.
Great video and very informative!
Can't thank you enough for your investigative tech work. I am back to no white balance issues using Godox trigger and flashes.
Great info Mr Cool! Now I have had this issue with other triggers that have TTL capability. I’m having this issue with Yougnuo Triggers for Nikon.
Great info! his happened to me yesterday while shooting products with Godox X Pro Trigger! Never had time to look at the camera info. Thx
Well, the problem continues to occur with the X2 triggers (latest versions) and it is still being identified as a Nikon flash (same SB900). You can make it a dumb trigger with the internal software in the trigger, but why not just adjust the WB in camera or bring a color checker card? Thanks for the heads up Nathan.
It is fixed, here's how to enable it th-cam.com/video/EPBaE01ospQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mDFebElX7UV9KiLs
Any update from Godox on this? I am having the same issue on Sony a7iii. Interesting that I have an x-1t trigger with the single pin mode but it does not resolve this issue
Sadly, no :( I'll keep trying.
Solved a problem that came up photographing art with Godox and Godox triggers... thanks!
Thanks so much Nathan. I have been having this issue with my Godox trigger and AD200.
I was going crazy about this issue, thought my D850 was broken... Thanks for this info!
Hi Nathan, How disappointing on Godox/Flashpoint's end. Hopefully, they have a fix soon. Amazing work figuring out what the issue was and coming up with the alternative solutions. Thank you! Curious though - what light was the trigger firing? Was it a SB-900? If you used a different light would it have recognized it? Thanks again.
The flash was a Godox AD200 Pro. The flash doesn't matter; the transmitter in the hot-shoe is always identifying itself incorrectly.
Thank you very much for this, Nathan. I love your work, and I really appreciate the information you put out.
OHHHHHH
Thats why my white balance is so horribly off!
The R2 pro trigger has multiple little pins at the front and a central pin (for Sony camera). Can I just break off all of the other pins? lol
Update:
I ended up breaking the pins on the trigger. and it works better now!
I did a test by covering up the pins with tape and noticed the trigger still went off and the white balance was fixed. So, I broke em off. I dont need TTL, so why not :)
Thank You!!
Hey Michael, I just saw this comment and about 2 minutes ago I posted one as well. I see that you found a solution however I want to report that using the R2 SP as Nathan mentions in this video work flawlessly with Sony cameras. I specifically shoot with the a7S iii and have also tested with the a7iii to verify. Just wanted to pass along this info as the trigger is only $25USD.
Great! I have the X-Pro. Thanks you Nathan for the heads up👍🏽👍🏽
Been having the same issue with mine.. Inconsistent.. Didn't have this issue with the YN line of triggers
I just replaced my broken R2 Mark 1 with a Mark II. I would have thought they fixed the AWB issue but it appears as if I'm having the same issue. Any idea if this has been address in the 2nd gen trigger? I'm going to try it with my single pin adapter and see if that corrects it.
See newer video on that at th-cam.com/video/EPBaE01ospQ/w-d-xo.html
Great video as well…. What xpro can I use on a Sony a7riii that will work like this? I tried the nikon xpro, but it doesn’t work….
I believe others are using the Canon xpro, there are a lot of comments to this video from a number of Sony shooters you might find that could help.
Nathan, July 2023. Did Godox fix this in firmware or are we still faced with fixing it via hardware work-around. TIA, Larry
See newer video at th-cam.com/video/EPBaE01ospQ/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for doing the research! I am switching over to flashpoint in the next few weeks. I did pickup a single pin adapter just in case it is still needed. Does anyone know if this issue has been addressed by the manufacturers? .
Thanks! Godox hasn't addressed this issue unfortunately.
I was having this very problem. Thank you Nathan!!!
Has anyone ever found another fix for this? Using the XPRO-N with my AD 200 Pro and the Z9. Consistent white balance issues and I cannot find a way to make it to stop.
Same issue as before, but you should do a one-for-one test with two shots, then check the image EXIF like I show in this video, with pins making contact for one shot and with only center-pin making contact for the other (you can temporarily cover pins with some paper), and also compare the two images side-by-side. Also see my recommended white balance methods for your camera in these two videos:
th-cam.com/video/rSVyJK-5S-A/w-d-xo.html
and
th-cam.com/video/FUGvHaHiGaw/w-d-xo.html
...and make sure you are using the proper treatment profile like I show in this video:
th-cam.com/video/Ieu4TeKgrag/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the video!! One of my problem just solved!
Has this problem been fixed in the Godox x pro? I'm just starting and my colors always seem too warm and wondering if this is the issue or if it's something else that I'm doing. Thanks in advance.
No. I'm planning on a new video on this subject soon, in the meantime make sure to check your exif like I show in the video to see if this is the root of the problem.
Very interesting and helpful video!😊 Does this issue only affect auto whitebalance, so one could set the Kelvin temperature manually in camera and not have any issues?
This only affects AWB, but that is critical for interior REP. If you're not familiar with that, I have in-depth discussion on that in my lighting guide: www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9KKGCS
Here's a thought. This has been confirmed to be a problem with the X1 trigger also. What if I use the X1t in APP mode (C.fn 9 = ON). That puts the device in essentially single pin mode. Would that overcome the problem? I use my OCF in manual mode 90% of the time anyway. In RE photography, it is easier to adjust flash output at the strobe end, rather than at the camera menu.
I wish they had single-pin mode on the R2 Pro. What you're describing sounds like a possibility; it's like another config for trigger stacking.
Just tried my X2T in APP mode and the exif still says SB900........the X1 has a dedicated single pin mode anyway.
I would be interested to know this as well
Hi Marvin! I just tried my X1 in APP mode, but it still gives me warm images (approx 7000k). Did it work for you?
i have played with the X1T in many ways and could never get it, at least on a Sony a6000, to truly act like single pin via any of the custom functions.
A fantastic video as usual! Thanks again, Nathan!!!
Great video, thanks for filling us in here! Are there any updates from Godox as far as a possible firmware solution is concerned?
Thanks! No updates.
Hey Nathan, I am still putting electrical tape on my Xpro. I tried to look up and see if there was a firmware update to correct this issue. I couldn't find anything. Do you know if Godox ever corrected this issue?
No update, I wouldn't count on Godox to address it at this point.
@@NathanCoolPhoto Thank you for the update. I will just keep my roll of electrical tape in my bag. Using it to cover up the prongs has been working fine.
Long time mystery solved - thank you
Thanks for this. Really helpful.
Wow, been noticing this behaviour for a couple of years and correcting in post without really considering what the cause was. You mention you were speaking to the Godox about this; did they ever come back with a fix?
Hi Trevor, nope, Godox never fixed it. I've been using a Canon trigger on my Nikon's to ensure center-pin isolation, and others have been doing the same, so a decent workaround for an otherwise good trigger. Shame though that Godox won't address this.
@@NathanCoolPhoto Thanks. Have fished out an old Yongnuo trigger with a pass-through from before I bought the Godox kit. I'll try that today.
So if i have nikon camera , i just need to buy a godox trigger for canon ?
Yes, here's the link: amzn.to/3UFQa5K
so... no fix for us Sony shooters with the proprietary multi-interface shoe. :(
You can't trigger stack a dumb trigger in your Sony hot-shoe?
@@NathanCoolPhoto probably.... the problem I was having before I commented was finding a MI compatible dumb trigger. All the Sony ones seem to be TTL capable (Can you turn off the TTL, and make it a dumb trigger?) I did find one by a company, Pixel, that only sells on Ebay.
@@stevekdigitalworx any update?
@@NathanCoolPhoto Hi Nathan and thanks for all your amazing books and tutorials!
I'm just trying to get started with the setup you recommend but I can't get it to work. I know you use Nikon but maybe you can still help me. I've been trying multiple things, watched several tutorials... but nothing works.
Sony A7rII + JJC single pin adapter + Godox xPro, flash doesn't fire. Trigger stack with Yongnuo RF603C II between camera and xPro, also fails. xPro direct on camera's hot shoe works fine.
I still haven't tried taping the Xpro terminals, but I would really like to avoid that option.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Cool❤ thnx!)
Does this also effect HSS and TTL shots as well?
If you isolate the center pin then you won't have HSS or TTL, but neither of those should be used for real estate interiors anyways.
Good information, thank you!
Excellent Nathan!
This issue is just for auto white balance ? Why just dont set manual white balance to 5600k, also does this problem shows if i use auto/manual white balance in ttl, hss mode ?
AWB is necessary for interior REP as setting a manual Kelvin would cause further problems, not just technically, but also profitably. Since interiors have myriad color temperatures, flash becomes a "dominant" source, but not a "sole" source of light, thus complicating a true WB from room-to-room and, even from shot-to-shot within a room, and in some cases also the frames within a shot. This makes interior REP quite different from almost any other genre; in fact, exterior REP uses manual Kelvin, but interior REP can't (if you want to make a profit). You could certainly set your WB manually, and then try to adjust between each shot (and frame taken, since multiple images will be composited), and you could also use a gray card for each shot. But since time is of the essence while onsite, all of that would take too long, so AWB is the preferred method for interior REP. I explain this in much more detail in my lighting guide, so if you'd like a more in-depth explanation, see www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9KKGCS
This issue drove me CrAzzYy when I bought my AD600 and the R2. It took me 3 months to figure this out, put a Yongnuo RF605c (Cactus trigger kept losing the little plastic tx/rx/off plastic piece $9 to order!!) on my AD600 and on my camera and the R2 clipped on to my belt to adjust while shooting. Solved my issue and allows me to remote adjust my AD600 too.
Nathan - great video. thanks. Here is my setup, which is almost entirely based on things I learned from you. Canon system. XPro C on my belt. X1 Receiver as a shutter trigger hanging from my tripod (I already had the Feisol CT3442 - great tripod) hard wired to my Canon. X2 Canon sitting on my camera hot shoe. I can control all of the TT600s (as far as power) in various groups on a channel, from either my belt (XPro) or from the camera (X2). As you know, I use a different channel to trigger the shutter, and then the X2, if powered on, causes the Good TT600s to fire. My question is that since the XPro is not firing the flashes, but rather causing the X1 to trigger the shutter, would I have the same issue with the X2 sitting on the hot shoe? Did you also test an X2 for the same firmware issue as you are describing with the XPro? thanks again for your efforts!
Hi Nathan thanks for all your contents, I've been following you for the last 18 months and I learned a lot of staff. I'm currently using your techniques for my Real Estate Photography here in Australia (Gold Coast) and my clients are happy with the photos. I just wanted you to know that I just bought an R2 Trigger with the new Godox AD300 Pro and I've had this issue of too warm images too. I'll try to fix with a tape or a cactus trigger.
Thanks again and keep up with your excellent work.
This explains why my camera only sees the trigger as a TTL flash and not manual. Doesn't matter if the trigger itself is in manual mode. Camera tries to fire the first test flash(which doesn't) and then the actual shot/flash, creating a delay. Fujifilm here btw.
Anyone know of the Godox X2T has this issue? I\this was driving me nuts I thought I had my settings wrong in camera
Thank you ❤️
Nathan, great video! I purchased a single pin adapter but now my Canon 6D won’t detect the flash. Any thoughts?
Thanks! That's kind of a vague question...I'd need to know more of your setup, what's connected to what, what you're triggering with, and more. Best bet is a private remote session with me if you get completely stuck; email me for more info on that Nathan@NathanCoolPhoto.com
Nathan Cool Photo yes I should have been more specific. Same setup you show in the video. R2 Pro trigger and the same single pin adapter you showed from Amazon. If I take the pin off the flash is detected.
If you don’t have any quick fixes how do I set up a remote session? Thanks!!
So if I understand this correctly: You have an R2Pro stacked on a single-pin adapter that is stacked in your camera's hot-shoe, and the R2Pro is transmitting to Godox/Flashpoint lights. If you remove the single-pin adapter then the flashes fire, but flashes will not fire with the single-pin adapter in the hot-shoe with the R2Pro on it. If so, then the problem would be one of two things: (1) If you are using Live View mode, then you need to disable Silent LV Shooting...just use the viewfinder, not live view, to ensure that's not the problem. (2) If you are using just the viewfinder and the single-pin adapter is still not allowing communication to the R2Pro stacked in it, then try placing a speedlight in the single-pin adapter to test the connection. It could be that you have a single-pin adapter that is not making contact with your camera's hot-shoe.
Nathan Cool Photo thanks so much! I was using the live view. As soon as I switched it off the flash started to fire. I knew it had to be something silly like that. Thanks again!
fyi Flashpoint, when this issue is discussed, looks at this as a feature, not a flaw. please keep us updated about Godox.
Hey Nathan. I started having that white balance issue and did what you said. Just ordered another unit for my Sony A6000 and will try it on the Canon. Also tried it with one of my Cactus triggers. I seemed to work ok, except that I dropped my R2 MkII recently and now the screen is all messed up. Shows lines instead of the nice heavy dark text it use to have. I didn't get the warranty. Anyway I just noticed that they have the firmware update to cover the issue! I have completed the update. I hope it works.
Hi Michaela, I don't believe the AWB/center-pin issue is included in any firmware update. The last update I see is from July, for V1.4, but doesn't include anything for that issue.
@@NathanCoolPhoto The firmware update I downloaded from Adorama, in the PDF instructions, said "1. Optimize the under exposure issue of EOS R TTL main flash and M50 HSS flash with light shape," That update was dated 12/18. Anyway, I haven't tried it out yet.
What does that mean in English? lolol
In short, it means that firmware version doesn't include any kind of fix or new feature to deal with the AWB issue. Those are just fixes for TTL and HHS, which aren't relevant for this case.
@@NathanCoolPhoto are you aware of the emails that adorama is mailing out to everybody that complains to them about the white balance issues, mentioning you by name? I got one the other day. I'm on your side. You're my guru!!
Thank you Nathan for this fix. In my case the added bonus of stacking an XPro-S on a Cactus V6 is that you can simutaneously fire the camera shutter by using another Cactus V6 as a handheld trigger (with the appropriate camera release cable). All you have to do is set the Cactus V6 units to relay mode. Once again thank you for all your books and videos.
You may want to update this video with Nikon Z. I moved from D7500 to Z5, and now the issue is different.
I did update the video a couple weeks ago and the problem is still the same, I actually use a Z5 :) Here's the new video, but it's the same as before: th-cam.com/video/Nm4nZxUc2e0/w-d-xo.html The problem you may ALSO be having, going from a D7500 to a Z5, is that AWB is different on the Z line, which I have another video on here th-cam.com/video/rSVyJK-5S-A/w-d-xo.html which is pertinent to the Z5. Lastly, you need to test your camera like I show in the updated video to check your EXIF with and without center-pin isolation to see the result from that problem.
@@NathanCoolPhoto Thank you Nathan, not only are you a good teacher, you also respond quickly. Wondering if having Nikon speedlites ( extremely expensive, that is why I am with Godox ecosystem) would solve all the issues?
You're welcome. That wouldn't solve the issue, and in fact just make it more complicated by mixing brands: Godox trigger, Nikon flash, both incompatible.
So I tried everything recommended. Now my flash shoots too cold. I’m so annoyed with it and want to just switch out my godox for a different set up. Any recommendations?
Knowing more information would be helpful: what camera are you using, what auto white balance setting are you using (most cameras have more than one option for auto white balance). This would be a start to see what else might be going on.
Hi Nathan, love your work!! I was hoping you could read this and reply please, I bought the same hotshoe adapter you did, but with my Nikon D750 for some reason after about 3-4 minutes, the adapter somehow turns the XPro trigger off, and it won't turn back on unless I completely remove it from the camera, remove the hotshoe adapter from the XPro, and refit the XPro by itself to the D750. The hotshoe adapter also doesn't let me use HSS with the flash. Any help would be appreciated please? PS I am using an AD200 Pro.
Sounds like your XPro trigger is going into standby mode. Change that setting in the trigger's menu, change STBY to OFF.
i have run an x1t-s for a few years for spaces and a tt350 a lot for other stuff, as a flash but as a controller for ocf for portraits. so, this issue has been annoying me for quite some time. anyway, my fix for the body with the x1t-s has been small rectangles of paper i keep in my bag. i fold them over the "smart" contacts of my trigger and all is well. kills live view lighting compensation and kills the wb issues. do not need ttl or HSS there. unfortunately, i can't use this technique with the tt350 as a tx because 1. it doesn't work (says accessory can't be recognized) and 2. i need HSS quite often in that arena. bummer is, i doubt Godox will ever care enough to make any real changes here with "older" stuff like x1t and my little 350, which, as far as i can tell, they have never updated the available firmware.
I've tried this on my sony a7r but the camera throws a fit about compatibility of the trigger and eventually the trigger shuts itself off.
I am having issues triggering my AD200 Pro with the Cactus trigger in between my XPro-S trigger. I have 3 Cactus triggers, as you suggested I buy a few. The one underneath the XPro is in TX, but my flash won't fire. Why is that?
Without having your camera in my hands it'd be difficult for me to say for sure, but it could be that the trigger isn't seated right (sometimes there are tolerance issues in manufacturing) so try a different Cactus trigger. Make sure the Cactus trigger is working by using the test button. Beyond that, this would require a remote coaching session with me to help you figure it out; if you get to that point you can email me at Nathan@NathanCoolPhoto.com for info on pricing and availability.
Literally just did a test to see for sure and it's very apparent. SMH at the fact that you spend $600 on a new lighting kit and it doesn't work properly. Sure there's work arounds but if your goal is to also shoot in HSS for outdoor/action portraits then this trigger/system is useless...Any thoughts on if the system will be more accurate outdoors or will it always show warmer light?
This only affects auto white balance (AWB), so it really only affects interior real estate photography (REP). For all other work I do (including exteriors, products, and portraits) I use and recommend manual WB settings (i.e. 5,500K), which this will have no effect on. Interior REP though relies heavily on AWB, so this is where this has the negative effect.
Thanks so much for this info! I have been battling with white balance issues in studio (portrait clients) and was thinking it was my lights. Shooting with a Nikon d850 and Buff Alien Bee strobes. Can this be the same issue with the trigger they sell? the commander I think it's called...
(should add I have tried using manual wb and adjusting kelvin to around 5400 and it still does not seem perfect for skin tones depending on the color of the seamless)
I use manual Kelvin on everything but real estate. I'd never trust AWB to portrait work, but for RE it's critical for reasons I explain in my lighting guide and book on interiors, here's a link to those if you want to check them out: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078NLRKNM?ref_=series_rw_dp_labf
Hi Nathan, Thanks for the great content. I have some issues. I have a RC canon trigger for my Mark IV and I bought the cactus dumb trigger in your video. I have it in TX mode but it wont fire the flash. What am I doing wrong? Thank You.
Hi Matt, I'd have to dig into this further with you, which would require a remote session. You can email me for more info on that Nathan@NathanCoolPhoto.com
It helps! Three days ago I photographed a house and used a Nikon trigger on my Sony camera. While editing it seemed all colors were consistent when looking at different views of the same room. It also seemed as though the colors were closer to what I saw. I do use a white balance card occasionally just to make sure but I think the trigger issue may have part of my previous problem with incorrect colors. I'm using a Godox AD400 light.
Hello, having the same problem but unsure of the solution, can you share what trigger you're using and on what sony camera?
Nathan - I've had this issue and no one has been able to explain it before!! I use mostly AD200 with the appropriate Nikon trigger for my Nikon camera. So I went ahead and ordered a Canon trigger, which does indeed seem to correct the white balance issue, but sort of messes up the flash a little, it seems to be resetting itself all the time and doing other weird and wonderful things when I use the Canon trigger with my Nikon camera. Have you come across any of these??
Hi Pirjo, I'm using the exact same setup (Canon trigger on Nikon camera), and not seeing the issue you're describing. Since there is no flash intelligence being sent to the flash from the trigger, I doubt the trigger is at fault. I'd suggest running a series of consistent tests with numerous flash shots using each trigger with the same flash unit under the same conditions to see if you can replicate the issue consistently.
Hi Nathan .after one year do you have information about update of xpro trigger mistake? Thank you. Luc
Hi Noel, unfortunately Godox hasn't taken any action on this.
any update, Nathan? i posted before that Flashpoint seems to refute that this is any sort of issue, but is instead a genuine "feature." so, I hope you are (somehow) speaking to Godox. if we can help, please let me know
Sadly, Flashpoint refuses to budge and Godox has gone silent. Since their older triggers had a single-pin mode just for this purpose, I don't buy the "feature" argument. I'll hit up Godox again, but at this point I'm not counting on any fix. If anyone would like to contact Godox, you can email them at servicesupport@godox.com I know Adorama had a flood of calls from Flashpoint users, and Adorama is more than aware of my video, but sticking to their guns that it's a feature, not a bug. Adorama can't fix it anyways, since they just slap a Flashpoint label on Godox stuff; gotta go to Godox to get this done. I'll continue to hit up my marketing contacts at Godox, but I wouldn't count on a resolution any time soon.
I have the R2 Pro, but just ordered the R2 Pro Mark II. Does anyone know, if the new version has the same issue? Thanks in advance!
Maris Stoeppler Hi, does the mark2 the same? You tested it? Thanks..
Nathan, after testing again, although correcting the white balance, now my Xpro trigger acts erratic when I use it above the $8.99 dumb trigger. The manual power of the remote triggers varies w/o changing it in the Xpro master.
Hi Luis, if your power is varying on your flash, and you can verify that the power setting has changed on the flash's display, then a dumb trigger or adapter is not causing that issue. Instead, it could be that you may have the group in the hot-shoe trigger set to TTL, not M, or it could be from turning your trigger off and on again between shots, or also from pressing the test button on either trigger or light to do testing. Also, since you can change power manually on the light in the single-user mode, you may be encountering a workflow issue where you set the power via the transmitter, then change it on the light, or you turn the light off and on and it will have the same power as what was set the last time, not what the transmitter is set to. I talk about this a bit more in this other video: th-cam.com/video/dWE0bXFFNpo/w-d-xo.html
Does this apply to speed lights on camera as well? I was shooting bedside a profoto a1 and our white balance was completely different. Same settings both cameras
One way to find out is to test it. Do a flash shot, then isolate the center pin and take the shot again. Compare the WBs.
Hey Nathan! Thx for your videos. Very helpful for me learning the flambient technique. Recently i bought a Nikon z 6II, godox ad200pro and the Godox xpro Flash Trigger for Nikon. Also bought a Single Pin adapter.
So now here is my question: is it possible that godox has already fixed the white Balance issue? If i use the single Pin i get more red colored picture. Without using the single Pin it seems i get a more realistic colored Pic.
Greetings from germany
You're very welcome, Kristian. You do need to do a one-for-one test with two shots, then check the image EXIF like I show in this video, with pins making contact for one shot and with only center-pin making contact for the other (you can temporarily cover pins with some paper), and also compare the two images side-by-side. Nikon Z cameras tend to favor red no matter what and Lightroom does it more so, so that is not the deciding factor for this issue: you need to check the EXIF and compare WB values using Nikon Studio (OEM software) to see the true comparison.
@@NathanCoolPhoto Nathan thanks for your detailed answer. i checked the images in NX Studio.The image which was made with single pin adapter shows no EXIF information for the flash. The image without the adapter shows flash informations like you show in the video (SB-900). both images show a wb value of 5500. so there is still the bug in xpro trigger. i will use the single pin adapteron shootings in future. thx for your help.
Does this effect the k value ? I mean if i set my white balance to a k number? Please answer me🙏
No. This affects the auto white balance (AWB) calculation. For everything else but interior RE photography I suggest using Kelvin, but for interior RE photography AWB is crucial since we need, very quickly, a way to get "close" to the mix of various color balances throughout an interior space.
Absolutely Correct..
Is this only a Nikon issue? On my Canon 90D, the EXIF reports the XPro-C trigger (less than a year old, firmware v1.8) as "Individual Group Control" and I don't see any warming of the images when using it. Since the SB-900 is a Nikon speedlight, I wonder if this issue is isolated to Nikon versions and/or Nikon cameras? I am curious if other Canon users have tested this as well.
Thanks as always for the excellent videos and honest reviews!
This happens to them all, Nikon, Sony, Canon, etc. You can see this by looking at the EXIF as I show in the video, and also be testing a single, repeatable flash shot with the trigger, and with the center pin on the trigger isolated, like I also show in the video.
@@NathanCoolPhoto Sure enough. The difference is subtle, but it IS there when I reproduced the test like you did with everything on a tripod and stand, and taping over the data contacts on the trigger. I also updated my XproC firmware to the latest (2.0) and the problem is still present.
The EXIF doesn't show a Canon speedlight model like the Nikon version does, just "Flash Type: Individual group control" which actually sounds accurate, but it is still warming the white balance. And Canon's DPP4 isn't nearly as good as the Nikon software, it doesn't show the WB temperature as a number anywhere I can find, but when I flipped back and forth between the two images, it was definitely apparent.
It is a shame they haven't fixed this, it has been years, and like I said, mine is brand new.
Thanks again for making this clear, your attention to detail and honest reporting is always appreciated. Off to Amazon for the single pin adapter...
Does anyone know if they have come out with an update to fix the R2 trigger?
Nope...issue went dead :(