Honestly, you're just learning from all this, which is always great! :) And you're giving everyone else the chance to learn, and get a sneak peak into the minds of the pros! Keep it up, dude!
You are completely right. I really appreciate all the feedback and it makes me happy to see that I indirectly helped people to improve in some strange way.
Moe will make a rage video about Warowls counter-point to Olof reacts to Summit1g response to Stewie2k's take on Steel's perspective on Dazed's reaction to Warowl's video.
Next up, "Bogdan's perspective on Steel's perspective to Dazed's reaction to warowl" where he explains that he disagrees with all 3 of them because to start, C1rl didn't need an AWP because he had 100HP Kappa
+Vardenis Pavardenis No let your best player with full hp bait you if you are low it makes much more sense to trade frag then to give a low performance player your awp, there are way less chances for him to get a kill with a highpower rifle because he could get hit with almost anything and die bogdan was being stubborn l2p.
+Back_IN_VAC Maybe for an awp main like s1mple that makes sense but bogdan isn't even in rank S anymore so why would he let a shit player(Shit for their level) take awp especially when he has a .5 Frag/d average lmao
BabyJesus4lbs20oz imagine getting permanently banned for throwing a small meaningless game for some money because money in esports wasn't very good at the time :/
+BabyJesus4lbs20oz Imagine being upset about something you didn't even lose money on I bet out of both of you neither did but I lost about 80$ on that match and guess what I could care less I want the NA scene to grow and be able to compete with other regions so I 100% agree with the fact that they should be unbanned.
At the moment, sure. Look where it is now though, getting pretty big. There were no skins before in CS and people were still playing that. Same game, same shit money. What's better, a few skins or possibly being a contending NA team? Dazed and Steel have great game sense and could've done well, which I would love to see.
I don't bet anyway but yeah I agree with you. The duo of steel and dazed would be a lot more exciting on the scene now than a lot of other NA players/teams out there. And it is stupid that VAC'ed players are still playing but instead of blatant hacks they decided to fuck with "Valves money". And Valve is shit sooo here we are.
One point that needs to be mentioned is that that video is part of WarOwl's Matchmaking Academy. Which includes the word Matchmaking. A land where people rarely play as a team. WarOwl's advice was directed to someone playing matchmaking, not someone playing with a team in some organized league. DaZeD arguments are therefore invalid as he was talking from a "pro" type of player's perspective.
In any rank higher than dmg your teammates will most of the time be throwing correct smokes hitting easy shots and will be able to communicate to a basic level. Nothing dazed said was too difficult to execute even in an average mm game. The only thing that was needed of your team was for your highway player to peek fork and kill the guy. Not too difficult
Yes, my thoughts as well, but I went and looked for Warowls video (called Holding Angles like an Eagle) and the dude, as the video title suggests, is fucking LEM. He should hit that shot 10/10 at LEM.
Nobody hits shots 10/10 wheter their LEM or Global. All the ranks are so mixed up in skill levels aswell so this LEM player could aswell have the skill of a DMG or LE player for instance.
Not 'shots' in general, I am aware that people are no perfect regardless of their rank. Just 'that' shot in particular looked rather easy to hit. Please ready carefully before responding, I was only referring to 'that' shot.
His context claims aren't that irrational. How you would analyze a situation would need to depend on knowing the enemy team's previous behavior, this is why Dazed's perspective or WarOwl's perspective may appear wrong in some games as you will never get the same enemy team. Context in this matter would be important for giving actual feedback, as Steel had said because both Dazed's and WarOwl's perspectives can only be applied to only a couple of enemy teams. However, if this was a poor joke: n1 thumbs up.
Everyone is wrong you got to buy a p90 and push if you lose its your teams fault if you die hacker and when you derank cause you are on a 10 game losing streak just get a higher rank friend to carry you and then you go to school and brag about how you are silver 2
Great analysis, I love that you are showing everyone why you were considered one of the best in NA with these videos and not just a shouty streamer. Kudos from a shouty Brit
i came to your channel cause of a suggestion from reddit, and i have to say that these tutorial/educational videos are absolutely fantastic. especially cause you also know that things work differently in matchmaking and soloq from pro teams and games. good job, will binge your tipps and tricks playlist now.
The one thing that none of the 3 players analyzing this demo realize is his teammate was down highway when he shouldn't have been, due to the 3rd CT being pushed up vent in mid. The CT at highway has literally no reasoning for being there whatsoever when his teammate already has 99% of mid controlled, and no one can make it to highway. How did no one notice this????
This is really interesting, as it seems that WarOwl's tips work for low-mid level matchmaking, while Steel and DaZeD's are geared more towards high level matchmaking and client users. Would like to see more of this, great job!
I saw on Dazed's video, a comment trashing Steels side of this. I actually found this a bit easier to follow than both WarOwls and Dazed. I liked this.
Shroud shares his thoughts on steel's perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl COMING NEXT Warowl comments on thoughts shroud shared on steel's perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
It would be really interesting to see videos with multiple you-tubers discussing tactics together (in a civil and polite way, of course) in a drill-down type session to see where the consensus is and where the differences are between lower-level CS fundamentals, and the more nuanced and creative ways that pros play. i think a lot of people have gone through all of WarOwls stuff and have evolved to that level as players, but unless you want to analyze pro demos for hours on end (props to those who do) and figure it out for yourself, there's really not much content out there to bridge the gap between the CS essentials and the more advanced "master" level of play. i think the game itself has grown to a place where this kind of advanced curriculum would be consumed by many CS players looking to take it to the next level.
It's nice to see someone not bash other people for their own opinions. Everyone plays differently when it comes to CS:GO and its really refreshing to see someone not bitch about other players opinions and styles! GJ man!
Sometimes a youtuber just deserves a like because of there video and the work they have made behind t. This was one of those times wp Josh here have a like
I think what steel has thought us is that we are all wrong, here we are thinking about what to do in this situation but infact we should not think about it and just do something and make a decision straight away :).
Most of the time i play or think like steel in these situations. I have great respect for steel's approach towards the game and think he/you is a great player. Hope u will get succes now that u are unbanned. :)
Steel says around 1:33 that "We don't know how aggressive the enemies have been playing all game." Yet what he doesn't know is that people who submit these demos for WarOwl generally give him the whole demo and specify where they want him to look. So, in theory, WarOwl can in fact know this information and make these assumptions.
That is the best thing I take away from this video: context matters. In MM, WarOwl's advice probably makes more sense for the player in question. If you knew for a fact that your team was going to have a set strat or even somewhat of an idea of how to play together properly as a team, then DaZeD's perspective and your take on it would work out nicely. But if your team isn't really coordinating, which it appears they weren't, just holding a safer angle is probably the right way to go most of the time.
Can we have Moe reacts to steels perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl and then warowl reacts to moes reaction to steels perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
I would've stayed at fence and tell my teammate at highway to peek him because I know there is a high possibility of there only being 1 enemy, so they can't trade and he would have his crosshair on fence because he knew a ct was there.
This is the closest out of the 3 to my knowledge. (11 years of cs, rank Global) I am expecting that kind of teamplay out of my teammates. But context is needed.
so he fell back to the same position after missing the shot, right? you think it may have been better for him to move to quad? since it has an easier escape towards the site and has a higher potential of a multi-kill? I remember you talked about taking unnecessary risks and making the right plays (the D2 example where you get tagged through doors) what would you suggest for this situation?
Warowl had the whole demo, so he had at least some context on previous rounds. Also, what a pro player would do isn't always the best play around master guardian.
I really think that War Owls video is meant for new players. Now, let me go more into this before you dislike it. New players have a hard time getting into the groove is counter strike, an experienced player knows to recognize what he does wrong when he does it. Dazed says to "not miss an easy shot". New players tend to miss easy shots quite often. War Owls advice suits them way more, Dazed is correcting him as if someone seeking help knows how to play the game in and out. Holding an easier angle would be the safest bet for someone looking for a tutorial video on counter strike.
Warowl knows the player isn't likely to hit a peak shot on forklift consistently. Warowl also knows that the player cannot rely on his teammates to rotate quickly enough to support him. Warowl also realised that the player is effectively soloing A site from fence. Warowl has given the best advice in the CONTEXT of this particular match. Low rank matchmaking is not remotely at the same level as rank S and pro-team csgo. You need to play more for yourself in matchmaking, relying on team mates for support instead making the defensive play in spots like this is gonna get you killed 9/10 times. I think Steel and Dazed have forgotten what it's like to play with randoms in low rank mm.
Warowl reacts to Steel's response to Bogdan's to DaZeD's perspective on the reaction to Flusha wall hacking to Olofmeister's perspective on DaZeD's perspective on Steel's response. Make it happen people.
We need to go deeper
thorin is going to make a video next (should be around an hour long)
INCEPTION
Stewies reaction to moes thoughts on steels thoughts on dazeds perspective of warowls video. All in a TLDW thorin podcast.
Lol if C1rl is out there he must be feeling pretty good
"you died cause you're bad" i'm sure he's feeling real good, LUL
At the moment all I feel is: why me? But honestly it doesn't bother me. My failures make for some great discussions.
Honestly, you're just learning from all this, which is always great! :) And you're giving everyone else the chance to learn, and get a sneak peak into the minds of the pros! Keep it up, dude!
You are completely right. I really appreciate all the feedback and it makes me happy to see that I indirectly helped people to improve in some strange way.
now C1rl needs to make a video
This is probably the calmest Steel's voice I've ever heard.
He's like a young Sam Harris, probably a Jew thing kappa
I play it before going to bed
It's because he's reading
Thank you for the clarification.
Warowls counter-point to Olof reacts to Summit1g response to Stewie2k's take on Steel's perspective on Dazed's reaction to Warowl's video.
Moe will make a rage video about Warowls counter-point to Olof reacts to Summit1g response to Stewie2k's take on Steel's perspective on Dazed's reaction to Warowl's video.
Thanks for copying my picture you piece of shit
Sorcus obviously you copied me, you didnt even crop it correct.
Had it since August 2014 when I made my account on Steam so stfu
Sorcus 2014? hahaha, you are a mere child
Next up, "Bogdan's perspective on Steel's perspective to Dazed's reaction to warowl" where he explains that he disagrees with all 3 of them because to start, C1rl didn't need an AWP because he had 100HP
Kappa
lol
next up: bogdans reaction to steels perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
"Dosen't need AWP. Too much HP."
What u talking about? Btw, bogdan was right and steel wasn't in that situation.
+Vardenis Pavardenis No let your best player with full hp bait you if you are low it makes much more sense to trade frag then to give a low performance player your awp, there are way less chances for him to get a kill with a highpower rifle because he could get hit with almost anything and die bogdan was being stubborn l2p.
Bogdan was right dumbass, s1mple said himself that it's the right play, it does make since when you think about it.
+Back_IN_VAC Maybe for an awp main like s1mple that makes sense but bogdan isn't even in rank S anymore so why would he let a shit player(Shit for their level) take awp especially when he has a .5 Frag/d average lmao
Imagine being subbed to Steel just to drop a dislike and make a throw joke in 2017. Sad life
Imagine being pro with talent/knowledge and throwing a game for basically nothing and getting caught. Sad life :(.
BabyJesus4lbs20oz imagine getting permanently banned for throwing a small meaningless game for some money because money in esports wasn't very good at the time :/
+BabyJesus4lbs20oz Imagine being upset about something you didn't even lose money on I bet out of both of you neither did but I lost about 80$ on that match and guess what I could care less I want the NA scene to grow and be able to compete with other regions so I 100% agree with the fact that they should be unbanned.
At the moment, sure. Look where it is now though, getting pretty big. There were no skins before in CS and people were still playing that. Same game, same shit money. What's better, a few skins or possibly being a contending NA team? Dazed and Steel have great game sense and could've done well, which I would love to see.
I don't bet anyway but yeah I agree with you. The duo of steel and dazed would be a lot more exciting on the scene now than a lot of other NA players/teams out there. And it is stupid that VAC'ed players are still playing but instead of blatant hacks they decided to fuck with "Valves money". And Valve is shit sooo here we are.
We need mOE´s reaction to Steel's perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
One point that needs to be mentioned is that that video is part of WarOwl's Matchmaking Academy. Which includes the word Matchmaking. A land where people rarely play as a team. WarOwl's advice was directed to someone playing matchmaking, not someone playing with a team in some organized league. DaZeD arguments are therefore invalid as he was talking from a "pro" type of player's perspective.
In any rank higher than dmg your teammates will most of the time be throwing correct smokes hitting easy shots and will be able to communicate to a basic level. Nothing dazed said was too difficult to execute even in an average mm game. The only thing that was needed of your team was for your highway player to peek fork and kill the guy. Not too difficult
MinusTheCoffee Lol, no, dmg's are fucking trash
"The only thing that was needed of your team was for your highway player to peek fork and kill the guy."
>Matchmaking
+Cheaper well maybe I'm giving dmgs and Les to much credit but I mean if your stuck in that bracket your just as bad
Who's stuck in that bracket?
Conclusion:
Warowl wants the player to wait because warowl knows the player sucks.
DaZeD is a former pro so the mindset is Different.
Yes, my thoughts as well, but I went and looked for Warowls video (called Holding Angles like an Eagle) and the dude, as the video title suggests, is fucking LEM. He should hit that shot 10/10 at LEM.
Nobody hits shots 10/10 wheter their LEM or Global. All the ranks are so mixed up in skill levels aswell so this LEM player could aswell have the skill of a DMG or LE player for instance.
Not 'shots' in general, I am aware that people are no perfect regardless of their rank. Just 'that' shot in particular looked rather easy to hit. Please ready carefully before responding, I was only referring to 'that' shot.
Yes true but there are way too many shit players above LE aswell so alot of people would miss that shot at these ranks aswell haha.
The guy was LEM, DaZeD's advice was solid.
Steel logic: "you need context guys, you never know, CT might not have hands"
His context claims aren't that irrational. How you would analyze a situation would need to depend on knowing the enemy team's previous behavior, this is why Dazed's perspective or WarOwl's perspective may appear wrong in some games as you will never get the same enemy team.
Context in this matter would be important for giving actual feedback, as Steel had said because both Dazed's and WarOwl's perspectives can only be applied to only a couple of enemy teams.
However, if this was a poor joke: n1 thumbs up.
Can confirm, I play with my feet.
Skatie, or a brain!
Steel is waaaaay too smart for 99% of the community.
Most of the dummies doesn't have any clue what he is talking about
thorin's thoughts on bogdan's shots on steel's perspective on dazed's reaction on warowl
botdan*
shit on him all you want but i bet he's way better than you
M Dry Whatever you say, Bogdan.
I can see thorin making a 30 mins video about it, and talking about how philosophy relates to awping in cs go
Greetings I am the war owl➡️ hey what's up guys it's your boi godazed➡️ hello everyone
SpiritWolf2K its closure, google it
its "and i still have no clothes on"
Everyone is wrong you got to buy a p90 and push if you lose its your teams fault if you die hacker and when you derank cause you are on a 10 game losing streak just get a higher rank friend to carry you and then you go to school and brag about how you are silver 2
I have to say, Steel is likable when he's not screaming like a lunatic.
Reacting to Reacting to WarOwl with my boy JoshNissan
Learn a real skill
Great analysis, I love that you are showing everyone why you were considered one of the best in NA with these videos and not just a shouty streamer. Kudos from a shouty Brit
i came to your channel cause of a suggestion from reddit, and i have to say that these tutorial/educational videos are absolutely fantastic. especially cause you also know that things work differently in matchmaking and soloq from pro teams and games. good job, will binge your tipps and tricks playlist now.
The one thing that none of the 3 players analyzing this demo realize is his teammate was down highway when he shouldn't have been, due to the 3rd CT being pushed up vent in mid. The CT at highway has literally no reasoning for being there whatsoever when his teammate already has 99% of mid controlled, and no one can make it to highway.
How did no one notice this????
This guy probably didnt expect his demo to go viral within the CS Pro Scene, but there he is, everyone arguing about his decision. GJ!
absolutely!! I love your videos and would really appreciate those kind of content
This was awesome Josh! hope you do more of these please!
Loved the vid as always. Keep up the good work .
4:43 That almost 1g tho ;P
This is really interesting, as it seems that WarOwl's tips work for low-mid level matchmaking, while Steel and DaZeD's are geared more towards high level matchmaking and client users. Would like to see more of this, great job!
This video is like a junior high school presentation. A+ Steel.
I saw on Dazed's video, a comment trashing Steels side of this. I actually found this a bit easier to follow than both WarOwls and Dazed.
I liked this.
whats next? warowl reactions to steels prespective on dazed reaction to warowl?
I'm waiting for it.
Now more pro's make videos of it but each time the rendering quality gets slowly worse and worse, i need this in my life.
Shroud shares his thoughts on steel's perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
COMING NEXT
Warowl comments on thoughts shroud shared on steel's perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
4:45 This is why TheWarOwl said it was a bad position for awping because the player was smoking a main
But the real question is, did the T make the right play?
Mikulka CS my opinion is that they are both low..
Yo Josh do you play any online poker? You go about cs with the same mentality that I play poker.
It would be really interesting to see videos with multiple you-tubers discussing tactics together (in a civil and polite way, of course) in a drill-down type session to see where the consensus is and where the differences are between lower-level CS fundamentals, and the more nuanced and creative ways that pros play. i think a lot of people have gone through all of WarOwls stuff and have evolved to that level as players, but unless you want to analyze pro demos for hours on end (props to those who do) and figure it out for yourself, there's really not much content out there to bridge the gap between the CS essentials and the more advanced "master" level of play. i think the game itself has grown to a place where this kind of advanced curriculum would be consumed by many CS players looking to take it to the next level.
Simply perfect, good job steel. Amazing work
It's nice to see someone not bash other people for their own opinions. Everyone plays differently when it comes to CS:GO and its really refreshing to see someone not bitch about other players opinions and styles! GJ man!
How is nobody talking about how LOW the volume is on this video?
Sometimes a youtuber just deserves a like because of there video and the work they have made behind t. This was one of those times wp Josh here have a like
really thought you'd be ragging on the war owl a lot, but i was pleasantly surprised.
I think what steel has thought us is that we are all wrong, here we are thinking about what to do in this situation but infact we should not think about it and just do something and make a decision straight away :).
Most of the time i play or think like steel in these situations. I have great respect for steel's approach towards the game and think he/you is a great player. Hope u will get succes now that u are unbanned. :)
Very good point about perspective, didn't think about it.
Steel says around 1:33 that "We don't know how aggressive the enemies have been playing all game." Yet what he doesn't know is that people who submit these demos for WarOwl generally give him the whole demo and specify where they want him to look. So, in theory, WarOwl can in fact know this information and make these assumptions.
The last part will be Warowls thoughts on Dazeds reaction to steels perspective on Dazeds reaction to Warowl.
when i play i always prefire quad but no fence so fence was a fine angle
Coming up on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z: Swag's reaction to Steel's perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
This new format saved my marriage
Really liked the video. Finally, someone who makes proper sense.
Thank you steel, this is really helpful!
Then next: Steel's reaction to thooorin's perspective on WarOwl's thought about steel's perspective on dazed's reaction of WarOwl's video.
That is the best thing I take away from this video: context matters.
In MM, WarOwl's advice probably makes more sense for the player in question. If you knew for a fact that your team was going to have a set strat or even somewhat of an idea of how to play together properly as a team, then DaZeD's perspective and your take on it would work out nicely. But if your team isn't really coordinating, which it appears they weren't, just holding a safer angle is probably the right way to go most of the time.
The audio in this video is such bad quality its actually painful and fatiguing
hey anyone else think the audio is unbalanced in this video?
Should have been titled "steels perspective on dazed perspective of warowls perspective"
could you make a video about how to throw a match without getting caught?
Hahaha humor 10/10! Never heard that joke before!
The player who sent this demo is really happy about now.
Next video, dazed reacts to steel reacts to dazed reacts to warowl
Can we have Moe reacts to steels perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
and then warowl reacts to moes reaction to steels perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl
I would've stayed at fence and tell my teammate at highway to peek him because I know there is a high possibility of there only being 1 enemy, so they can't trade and he would have his crosshair on fence because he knew a ct was there.
the question is... who will do the reaction to my video to this video?
great vid would be really cool to get more vids like this from more people
man this guy playing is accualy getting the best advised from some of the best personalities, FOR FREE
This is the closest out of the 3 to my knowledge. (11 years of cs, rank Global)
I am expecting that kind of teamplay out of my teammates. But context is needed.
Good shit steel.... good shit.
I know this has nothing to with the video, but does anybody know the crosshair steel has in this video?
right ear love itttttttt
Can this happen more often? This is all so interesting.
I find it funny that Thorin called the AWP underpowered
moe's reaction to steels perspective on dazeds reaction to warowl
I think your tip videos are really helpful!
So do you think he did the best thing possible (Apart from whiffing the shot) ?
But the question is, how do you know that the CT didnt throw the match to win skins?
But in the end, its the skills of the player whether he is in a good position or a bad one.
M0e's perspective on steel's perspective on DaZed'd reaction to Warowl's video
Next: JasonaR perspectivr on steel's reaction to dazed's reaction to warowl reaction
Hey nice video, but the shaking of your crosshair made me a bit dizzy.
I dont think my left ear is working properly
so he fell back to the same position after missing the shot, right?
you think it may have been better for him to move to quad? since it has an easier escape towards the site and has a higher potential of a multi-kill?
I remember you talked about taking unnecessary risks and making the right plays (the D2 example where you get tagged through doors) what would you suggest for this situation?
moe reacting steel reacting dazed who reacting warowl
Freakazoid reacting to Moe reacting to Steel reacting to Dazed reacting to Warowl
Slashable summit1g reacting to Freakazoid reacting to Moe reacting to steel reacting to Dazed reacting to WarOwl
tarik reacting to summit1g reacting to Freakazoid reacting to Moe reacting to steel reacting to Dazed reacting to WarOwl
WE MUST GO DEEPER
Warowl had the whole demo, so he had at least some context on previous rounds. Also, what a pro player would do isn't always the best play around master guardian.
Seangares's take on Steel's perspective on dazed's reaction to warowl''s kibitzing incoming??????????????
Audio was a bit quiet :/
Moe reacts to Steel's perspective on Dazed's reaction to Warowl incoming.
dan m's reaction to steels perspective on dazed reaction to warowls video
STEEL DISABLE RESAMPLE ON YOUR SONY VEGAS VIDEO CLIPS BECAUSE 4:47 IS TOO CHOPPY AND MAKES ME SAD :)
why does steel sound like he is doing a high school presentation lol
I really think that War Owls video is meant for new players. Now, let me go more into this before you dislike it. New players have a hard time getting into the groove is counter strike, an experienced player knows to recognize what he does wrong when he does it. Dazed says to "not miss an easy shot". New players tend to miss easy shots quite often. War Owls advice suits them way more, Dazed is correcting him as if someone seeking help knows how to play the game in and out. Holding an easier angle would be the safest bet for someone looking for a tutorial video on counter strike.
I hope someone else continues the reaction to the reaction of.
Next up:
m0e's reaction to Steel's perspective on DaZed's reaction to warowl.
How did you make the TV thumbnail? I'm really interested :/
you should do this kind of stuff more its really helpful
Warowl knows the player isn't likely to hit a peak shot on forklift consistently. Warowl also knows that the player cannot rely on his teammates to rotate quickly enough to support him. Warowl also realised that the player is effectively soloing A site from fence.
Warowl has given the best advice in the CONTEXT of this particular match. Low rank matchmaking is not remotely at the same level as rank S and pro-team csgo. You need to play more for yourself in matchmaking, relying on team mates for support instead making the defensive play in spots like this is gonna get you killed 9/10 times.
I think Steel and Dazed have forgotten what it's like to play with randoms in low rank mm.
Warowl reacts to Steel's response to Bogdan's to DaZeD's perspective on the reaction to Flusha wall hacking to Olofmeister's perspective on DaZeD's perspective on Steel's response. Make it happen people.
who's next!?!
did i just watch a guy reacting to another guy reacting to another guy whos helping another guy?
Almost every top level team has their own system SK, VP, Astralis, Fnatic, NaVi etc. (IBUYPOWER) kappa:((
Why no "it's ya boy steel"???
WarOwl reacts to Steel's respone to DaZeD response on Steel''s perspective on Dazed''s reaction to WarOwl
This is my comment on his perspective on dazeds reaction to WarOwls commentary
audio is a little low