Love the Idea Matt but coming from a guy who has built cages in drift cars, Hot Rods and rock crawlers, your missing two things. First you need triangulation added all through out that cage or it will fold like a card board box, and you need bigger stronger anchor points with more mass on the fram grabbed. Just a recommendation Otherwise it is looking good. Also some bigger stronger pipe might be needed for the weight of the five ton. I have watched a jeep crawler mangle 2 inch and still get body damage. I can only imagine the weight of the 5 ton. Good luck and love the shows man. Keep doing what you are doing. GOD BLESS!!
If you're a "cage builder," you should know that saying "mangled 2 inch" means nothing. The od of the pipe has almost zero bearing on the strength. The wall thickness is what matters.
Your making the cage beefy yes, but the cage is only as good as the mounting points to the frame. any energy that hits it will have to go through the mounting points and usually at a way higher stress due to moments imposed upon. sch 40 OD tube is strong but if your vehicle tried to stop on just the cage it would bend and or snap those right off. sections of half inch plate going to the frame perpendicular to impact direction would do considerably better. also remember to grease the joints our do something with smaller tolerance or your going to get rust runs from the pipe. just food for thought from a mechanical engineer.
I had a similar idea but if he has a bull nose he could make it so tall that he could put a pully on there and a norther on the hood frame so the winch cable goes through the pullys and fixes back at the bull nose. And if he retracts the winch the frame should come up (sorry for misspelling) and sorry if it sounds dumb
Exactly what I was thinking. Use the front and back winch. Then bounce the line off the wall or roof. Or a tree. Or whatever carnage you just created. And monster max is destroyed all ready.
@Steven Criscione Is that Matt's estimated net worth? I'd bet it's more, Bunker Branding alone is probably worth that or more. Nevermind the vet clinic and rental houses. He's a solid business man for sure.
Do yourself a favor and get ahold of a person who builds racing cages and have them spec out the roll over part of your truck. With that kind of weight and no cross braising it will make it even worse if you go over.
Yep. I know Brandon is a good welder, but this needs attention from an engineer to at least sign off on yalls design. Good welds and heavy wall tubing aint jack without proper structure to disperse all the forces from all that mass.
We need to thumb this comment up so that Matt really sees it! This is so important! He needs to have a guy who really knows this stuff to be there and guide him through this build so he does not end up killing himself or someone else.
There needs to be three things done or this is just for show. You need better anchors to the frame bara rolled out the side of the frame will not support the weight. You need bars vertical inside behind driver and passenger seats that go from straight up to the main hoop whether it be inside or through the roof that plane will not support that weight. Also you need cross bracing everything at 90* does not make good for rolling it will rack and fold on a diagonal. You need triangulation gussets something. Also you will need to make hella beefy stops for that grill in the down and folded forward position. If it hits something hard it will pivot and smash against the hood
The front hinges will most likely ripp off clean after a few openings. They are way undersized and the anchoring is way to weak. Change it now or cry later. The need to be waaaay beefier and need a way bigger basis for achoring. I guesstimate the weight of the front cage alone around 300+ kg. All stressing at one point. Or mount anchoring points for heavy chains to stop the thing from traveling to far so they catch the most of the weight. The chains would have to stop it just right before the front bars hit the bumper.
Most people have already talked about it, but the cage definitely should have triangulation worked into for structural strength. If you look at the photos of your old Ultra4 chassis, you'll see a lot of triangles. Triangles are the strongest shape to build with and the rigidity and, most importantly, safety will go up a ton. Squares will only get so you far. I would have also build the cage out of either DOM steel round tube or chromoly round tube. Chromoly is more for race vehicles, while DOM is what most rock sliders and bumpers are made out of, but you could 100% use DOM for a cage. I know this cage is going to be just a show piece, but if something seriously went wrong and you roll while crushing cars or something, I highly doubt the cage would survive the impact and you'd be looking at cutting it all off and starting over again.
@@psquire45 Yep. There's just a number of things that could go wrong. It's fine as a show piece, but if he wants something structural and safe there's a lot of room to improve.
Not just that, What if the cage is strong enough but when the 5 ton is flipped it breaks away from the truck because it is only attached at several points that have to take all the force and all the stress. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. So the whole way the force will be applied during a roll over needs to be considered. Not just a static 'it is laying on the roof' kind of thing, but a dynamic 'it is rolling over'. As that introduces different types of internal forces and stress as well as different external forces.
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The 5 ton looks so cool as is. A beefy "cow catcher" grill guard, some fender guards and skid plates would look awesome. Not a fan of the full cage though. You would need a role bar like on a tractor or bull dozer to actually protect in a role over. These might protect you from falling trees though.
Agreed. This needs more upvotes. Diagonal strength is necessary for a roll cage or it will bend, twist, and contribute to crushing the occupants. Compare your box frame to StreetSpeed717s Blazer. Love your content, keep it up! Looking forward to seeing your house completed.
Yes and no. How strong do you need this thing to be. He's not whistlin diesel as much as he says he's going to ram things with it. He's doing it mainly for looks and if he does run into shit it's the lower half of the bar that will take the impact. It's still fairly heavy gauge steel tube, pretty sure it's going to work fine. Not my cup of tea and I wouldn't do it but to each their own
Yep. I posted a separate comment, but the main hoop behind the cab and one behind the front seats need to have X's in them. It's somewhat limited by what you can do in front if you want to fold the whole windshield down, but it needs more triangulation.
@Hunter Kell “ triangulation helps majorly with structural integrity” Mathematically, triangulation provides structural rigidity to resist racking. “K” bracing (triangulation) resists rotation at a 90 degree in plane intersection, node, joint. I absolutely agree with you Hunter Kell, just with Mathematical accuracy (that OTHER 🧮 nerd alert 🚨 guy). Those High School kid welders have One Great Shop and make me wonder what I was doing at Engineering School in University.
I was thinking the same thing as watched it. I used to work for a company here in the UK building fire engines. As the cabs are heavy they have a pump that lifts 1 or 2 rams to lift the cab. As he already has an air supply, cant see it being to hard for somebody who knows what they are doing. To be able to fit this.
You should have looked into how roll cages are made before doing this. Every hinge point is a weakness. No trianglulation. All you're doing is adding more weight with really no significant protection.
Not to mention it doesnt look like its got a solid attachment to the frame other than with bend unders. Roll it and all its gonna do is bend at those points without bracing the angles lol.
If you still have connections with the trophy truck builders, you need to hit them up! Schedule 40 does NOT make for a rollover safe cage. It will absolutely protect you from trees and objects to a certain degree but I'm worried you're going to give yourself a false sense of security and put the truck in more of a potential rollover scenario with no real added safety. You should be looking to reenforce your frame tie-in points, you need to be using some more triangulation on your critical support points across the cage. Do this for the cab, who cares about the hood in a rollover. What you have isn't wasted yet, but don't trust that same design and material for the passenger compartment! Step up to some Chrome Moly piping that all the race car/truck standards would require as if you were building a cage for drag, circle track, drift, or trophy truck racing.
The 'cage' is just cosmetic. This tubing will not support a roll over nor a hard strike from a front end collision. The metal is too weak and the 5 ton's inertia would cancel any strength it would have in a collision. ...although it does look cool :)
This isn't even close to structurally sound given the weight of that thing. There's no triangulation or effective bracing anywhere. There's a reason real exo cages have bars on the inside also.
For a proper cafe for this truck he would need to use .125 2x4 tube, however if this thing ever rolls it will stop on it’s side and the rood is probably engineered for a rollover, especially as a military vehicle. However I do agree exocages are mainly used for panel protection in the event of something going sideways.
To lift the cage off of the hood, you could build a bar that comes out from the bumper with a heavy duty pulley on the end and use the winch to lift the cage. Also, use the bar as a safety to catch the cage. I can send a model if you wish.
Needs rails from the front nose cage to the roof so if you down a tree it will go up and over. Could use trailer hitch pins to remove them. Also attaching sharpened load binder hooks on the nose are good to cut downed wires away from the rig. Looks good brother
I feel like this is going to be a terrible idea that leads to the 5 ton getting destroyed. That's what happens when you hang out with Whistlin Weasel...
@@andred7415 lol it's funny how people get attached to things he builds that we know will get a BMG or a Tank Round or track at some point. Thats the fun of it.
You can use a winch system to move the guard back and forth. Like have two small winches on each side in the back to keep the frame from falling down after it reaches the tipping point.
Torsion spring or spring actuator to help with the weight, catch pin end stop, disc spring stack to help slow it down at the end of travel and absorb the energy both directions.
I'm currently on the fence, I'll reserve judgement until it's finished but it does look awesome as is (the truck, not the cage). The cage may very well end up a bit O.T.T.
Dude! I love most of what you do, but this one is a dud. The 5 ton is an amazing looking truck. It doesn’t need any help cosmetically. The cage, I think, makes it look like it’s more of something out of Mad Max. If you’re truly going for protection, then a roll cage on the inside of the cab will do the trick. All of that exoskeleton… I don’t know, dude. It ain’t working for me.
normal people: "we need a brush gaurd incase we hit some thing", Mat Carriker, "big trucks need big bumpers because they need to hit bigger things", lol. btw the bars will effect the spread of the beam from your head lights more than you think. for lifting the cage off the hood, you could make a reciever mount on the front bumper, then make a bar that slides in with a pulley and loop your winch back to the cage to pull it open. cant wait to see how you put it to use, lol
@@fishboy5960 greater roadrunners can have white banding around the neck and face just like a pheasant. the telltale sign for a roadrunner is the black to purple tail feathers and head feathers. the pheasant has a tan to brown tail feathers and green/blue/red head.
1:This is awesome. 2: it is awesome that your letting some younger guys do it.3: my first rollcage was an exo cage on a suburban. 14 stick of 1.75 dom.
You should design the bull nose to catch the metal tube frame at a certain angle to hold it from flying forward. You might even be able to put a pulley somewhere at the front to use the wench to pull the frame forward for you to get access to the engine.
It in fact was a pheasant! The ring neck gave it away. They hang out by roads and fence lines. We have been hunting them hard here the past month in Oklahoma.
A Roll cage is not about welding or looking beefy, it is about calculating the expected forces and having bracing in the right places. It might look "beefy" but once you land on the roof it might fold like paper. Trusting two high school students because they can weld and can make a fence or some stairs? Have any of you done any calculations or simulations to see if it will actually will hold ? What does Meredith say ? At least she is an engineer and has some clue as to what it takes to do a FEM analysis of a project like this ? I hear a lot of "it looks" and "I think". Don't trust your life to maybe's.
Brandon needs a brand at Bunker Branding!! This guy does great work and I hope with the millions of viewers he is incredibly successful. Get a TH-cam going Bud, you do great work brother!
You gotta put some limb risers on that beast. Can easily make them capable of swinging out of the way when you need to access the engine, and would be really effective at raising branches above the cab when driving around the ranch
I was told they were roadrunners my entire life. Jesus if that’s a pheasant I’m gonna start a riot Edit: never mind. I have seen roadrunners a lot. Just not pheasants. That was a roadrunner
Matt, you said the reason you didn’t need a CDL was because of the weight loss due to the tail being bobbed. Will adding this extra weight back on put you in danger of exceeding that weight limit?
Its not about the weight of the vehicle, its about the GVWR (what the vehicle is RATED for combined with payload). By removing the axle, it reduced the GVWR to under 26k lbs. I have a hard time describing this, but I didn't want to give a short and possibly inadvertent smart a$$ answer..... but the short answer is, adding weight doesn't affect class of license needed - for the most part. clear as mud?! Lol
@@ionstorm66 Right. That's why I said "for the most part"... I would guess his roll bar wont get close to making him overweight, though. I am a manager in the transportation industry, and the FMCSA manual is pretty complex, I have a really hard time explaining it, even to some very talented drivers. I often find myself saying "trust me", and I know they dont! Lol I just tried to give a brief explanation. There are several caveats to it, for sure!
@@rrr3r2 Believe it or not, for hire (commercial) doesn't have anything to do with needing a CDL. It's all defined by GVWR of the vehicle and/or the combination of the GVWR of vehicle and trailer. Excluding one scenario, 26,001 lbs and over of GVWR requires a CDL - class dependent on how you get to that (either vehicle alone or combination of vehicle and trailer).
Fellas in the state of Texas they have graduated license for non commercial vehicles as well as commercial. The way the truck sits now it would have a gcvwr over 26001 lbs but because it's not registered as a commercial vehicle no cdl but in Texas it will require a class a non commercial driver's license. Learned that fact from the trailer guy on u tube! Good luck with it.
Umm, isn't Mere an engineer? Also, I'm relatively certain the skeleton needs arches or triangles in order to distribute the forces (hence why most roofs aren't flat and long span bridges have arches); straight lines will fold like a cheap card table under force. But I'm just a plant pathologist, so what do I know?
This is true! You’re not even allowed to race in most races, if your roll cage isn’t triangulated in the corners. Supporting the corners like that pretty much triples the strength of the cage.
I’m a commercial plumbing contractor so I work with that same pipe daily for gas pipe. I know it has a coating from the factory but black schedule 40 needs to be primed and coated or it will rust. Looks good besides that brother!
After building quite a few cages for rock crawlers I’ve discovered running the tubing closer to you body (around 1” - 1 1/2” ) off the body works the best for safety as well as looking better. Just a suggestion.
You desperately need triangulation in that mesh of pipe. The strength of the cage is highly compromised with your array of squares. It looks 'beefy' but its really as weak a structure as can be made. Curved pipes have near zero strength under compressive stress as they are already bending. Please contact a real structural engineer.
It's your toy, do what you want with it. I think this exoskeleton around the entire truck detracts from the inherent badass nature of the truck and looks stupid.
Yes the truck weight matters absolutely but Texas DPS and DMV go off of your truck and trailer’s gross weight rating. He probably has 12,000 pound axles on that thing, which would make his GVWR at 24,000 and his actual weight of the truck at 19,500 like he said
Well, normally you would follow an SFI specification for a roll cage, but they don't seem to have anything that would fit this application. The closest thing is SFI 47.1 for pull tractors up to 10,000 Lbs, maybe you could use that as a bit of a guide for your cage.
Love the Idea Matt but coming from a guy who has built cages in drift cars, Hot Rods and rock crawlers, your missing two things. First you need triangulation added all through out that cage or it will fold like a card board box, and you need bigger stronger anchor points with more mass on the fram grabbed. Just a recommendation Otherwise it is looking good. Also some bigger stronger pipe might be needed for the weight of the five ton. I have watched a jeep crawler mangle 2 inch and still get body damage. I can only imagine the weight of the 5 ton. Good luck and love the shows man. Keep doing what you are doing. GOD BLESS!!
I'm 6
Exactly what I was thinking
If you're a "cage builder," you should know that saying "mangled 2 inch" means nothing. The od of the pipe has almost zero bearing on the strength. The wall thickness is what matters.
I would’ve used 4” pipe SCH80 lol
@@xenonram not true. Larger OD pipe is going to be stronger with same wall thickness.
When is “Mad Matt: Fury Ranch” coming out?
and then the sequel, "Mad Matt: Furry Ranch"
@@sports4ever90g "Mad Matt: Furry Ranch"
You beat me to it.
5 ton will be Fury Ranch xD
I was thinking Mad Max too
Also, that cage will give him the weight/mass vs MM.
Your making the cage beefy yes, but the cage is only as good as the mounting points to the frame. any energy that hits it will have to go through the mounting points and usually at a way higher stress due to moments imposed upon. sch 40 OD tube is strong but if your vehicle tried to stop on just the cage it would bend and or snap those right off. sections of half inch plate going to the frame perpendicular to impact direction would do considerably better. also remember to grease the joints our do something with smaller tolerance or your going to get rust runs from the pipe. just food for thought from a mechanical engineer.
could you install grease nipples on the hinges, drill and insert them so that you can pump grease into the hinges when required.
@@jonlloyd87 @Elevative Rusty Pipes and Greasy Nipples.. You boyz is DIRRTAY
⬆️What he said⬆️
Also raising the center of gravity with all that weight. Making it more prone to roll
The front bars will block the headlights from lighting to the sides. That will limit visibility in a turn.
Ya got a winch right there. Use it it open and close frame. Have a catch pin at balance point to have time to reverse winch.
That might be the perfect use for that tiny winch he has 👍
Came here looking for this before I posted
Came here to comment this.
I had a similar idea but if he has a bull nose he could make it so tall that he could put a pully on there and a norther on the hood frame so the winch cable goes through the pullys and fixes back at the bull nose. And if he retracts the winch the frame should come up
(sorry for misspelling) and sorry if it sounds dumb
Exactly what I was thinking. Use the front and back winch. Then bounce the line off the wall or roof. Or a tree. Or whatever carnage you just created. And monster max is destroyed all ready.
As a fabricator, I’m jealous as hell of all of his equipment. That’s like a $2500 bender or more . Lol
More like $5k-7500 just to get started. Nice stuff for sure. It's easy to spend $40k on a Baileigh bender
@Steven Criscione Is that Matt's estimated net worth? I'd bet it's more, Bunker Branding alone is probably worth that or more. Nevermind the vet clinic and rental houses. He's a solid business man for sure.
Hi Jeff, from another Fab guy named Jeff.
Go look at collin furze channel he has even better kit
But that's not Matt's equipment. It belongs to the welder dude.
Do yourself a favor and get ahold of a person who builds racing cages and have them spec out the roll over part of your truck. With that kind of weight and no cross braising it will make it even worse if you go over.
Yup, cages need triangulation not squares
What he needs is an inner cage to keep him safe from the outer cage :D
Yeah that modelled cage Is all rectangulation
Yep. I know Brandon is a good welder, but this needs attention from an engineer to at least sign off on yalls design. Good welds and heavy wall tubing aint jack without proper structure to disperse all the forces from all that mass.
We need to thumb this comment up so that Matt really sees it! This is so important! He needs to have a guy who really knows this stuff to be there and guide him through this build so he does not end up killing himself or someone else.
How to get 4 MPG instead of 10 MPG... Matt: " Oh I'm not worried about fuel mileage, I'm buying an oil refinery".
Next series
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There needs to be three things done or this is just for show. You need better anchors to the frame bara rolled out the side of the frame will not support the weight. You need bars vertical inside behind driver and passenger seats that go from straight up to the main hoop whether it be inside or through the roof that plane will not support that weight. Also you need cross bracing everything at 90* does not make good for rolling it will rack and fold on a diagonal. You need triangulation gussets something. Also you will need to make hella beefy stops for that grill in the down and folded forward position. If it hits something hard it will pivot and smash against the hood
👆 this needs to happen. at the current stage this “roll cage” is not going to do much in the event of a crash.
@@itchyprince3793 It will make it harder to get out... thats something. But I immediately thought it needed some cross-bracing too.
@@WakarimasenKa I didn’t think about that lol
Also need additional mounts/pivot points on the front. Those two will break every time you hit something. Only as strong as the weakest spot.
The front hinges will most likely ripp off clean after a few openings. They are way undersized and the anchoring is way to weak. Change it now or cry later. The need to be waaaay beefier and need a way bigger basis for achoring. I guesstimate the weight of the front cage alone around 300+ kg. All stressing at one point. Or mount anchoring points for heavy chains to stop the thing from traveling to far so they catch the most of the weight. The chains would have to stop it just right before the front bars hit the bumper.
the fact that they want to make it tip forward makes the whole thing useless anyway. this thing will fold up like a taco if it ever rolls over.
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@@13christbane it's not going to be just free to move they're going to lock it duh
@@13christbane why should it fold up? There are things like locking bars...
Most people have already talked about it, but the cage definitely should have triangulation worked into for structural strength. If you look at the photos of your old Ultra4 chassis, you'll see a lot of triangles. Triangles are the strongest shape to build with and the rigidity and, most importantly, safety will go up a ton. Squares will only get so you far. I would have also build the cage out of either DOM steel round tube or chromoly round tube. Chromoly is more for race vehicles, while DOM is what most rock sliders and bumpers are made out of, but you could 100% use DOM for a cage. I know this cage is going to be just a show piece, but if something seriously went wrong and you roll while crushing cars or something, I highly doubt the cage would survive the impact and you'd be looking at cutting it all off and starting over again.
Or worse still it cracks a weld and sends a loose pipe somewhere
@@psquire45 Yep. There's just a number of things that could go wrong. It's fine as a show piece, but if he wants something structural and safe there's a lot of room to improve.
@@corybechtold 100% the only thing worse than no safety gear is trusting gear that wont work
@@psquire45 Agreed!
Not just that, What if the cage is strong enough but when the 5 ton is flipped it breaks away from the truck because it is only attached at several points that have to take all the force and all the stress. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
So the whole way the force will be applied during a roll over needs to be considered. Not just a static 'it is laying on the roof' kind of thing, but a dynamic 'it is rolling over'. As that introduces different types of internal forces and stress as well as different external forces.
2020 was the worst year ever!! Let's end it by saying REST IN PEACE to 2 legends of life, Mark and Jake! You'll always be missed n loved. more than you know, Rest easy friends.....
Worst year ever? I take it history is not a topic of interest for you?
The 5 ton looks so cool as is. A beefy "cow catcher" grill guard, some fender guards and skid plates would look awesome. Not a fan of the full cage though. You would need a role bar like on a tractor or bull dozer to actually protect in a role over. These might protect you from falling trees though.
To much weight not worth it tbb
Hey Matt you NEED a front diff plate to protect in case you “accidentally” hit something
Lol, awesome!
Needs triangles for strength. Tell Mere just this once.
Agreed. This needs more upvotes. Diagonal strength is necessary for a roll cage or it will bend, twist, and contribute to crushing the occupants. Compare your box frame to StreetSpeed717s Blazer.
Love your content, keep it up! Looking forward to seeing your house completed.
Yes and no. How strong do you need this thing to be. He's not whistlin diesel as much as he says he's going to ram things with it. He's doing it mainly for looks and if he does run into shit it's the lower half of the bar that will take the impact. It's still fairly heavy gauge steel tube, pretty sure it's going to work fine. Not my cup of tea and I wouldn't do it but to each their own
She’s an engineer. She would probably have some ideas
Triangles are the answer, look around, bridges, trusses, buildings etc. )
Matt is really a ten-year-old kid. His wife is going to stop letting him hang out with whistling diesel.
Don't tell Mere!
I hate to be “that guy” but a cage should be triangulated. Triangulation helps majorly with structural integrity.
but triangles cause space and increased mass issues
Yep. I posted a separate comment, but the main hoop behind the cab and one behind the front seats need to have X's in them. It's somewhat limited by what you can do in front if you want to fold the whole windshield down, but it needs more triangulation.
Rollbar in bed and vertical extension of the front bumper would protect passengers better than exocage they have currently desinged.
@Hunter Kell “ triangulation helps majorly with structural integrity” Mathematically, triangulation provides structural rigidity to resist racking. “K” bracing (triangulation) resists rotation at a 90 degree in plane intersection, node, joint. I absolutely agree with you Hunter Kell, just with Mathematical accuracy (that OTHER 🧮 nerd alert 🚨 guy). Those High School kid welders have One Great Shop and make me wonder what I was doing at Engineering School in University.
Instead of all thos strate bars in the front he should of did x's
idk, I've got mixed feelings about the cage. It looks kinda cool, but I really like the way the 5 Ton looks without it.
Same
There needs to be triangulation or those bars will end up in the truck in case of a roll.
I was about to comment the same.
I don't know what this means, but it sounds important
@@Timooooooooooooooo same
@@Timooooooooooooooo triangles are strong
Let's face it, this is mostly cosmetic. Plus, if it ever rolls over, the cage will help protect the occupants, not necessarily save the truck.
109 degrees to spring back to 90. 19 degrees is the magic number..... I F+&$ing LOVE little bits of info like that.
The truck already has an air system, why not lift the cage with pneumatic cylinders?
No
Esa puede ser una buena idea.
That was my thought... either that or hydraulic lift cylinders like cat uses on their articulated dump truck hoods
More control with hydraulic cylinders, I assume the truck is fitted with a PTO to run a hydraulic pump.
It would only need to be a simple system.
I was thinking the same thing as watched it. I used to work for a company here in the UK building fire engines. As the cabs are heavy they have a pump that lifts 1 or 2 rams to lift the cab. As he already has an air supply, cant see it being to hard for somebody who knows what they are doing. To be able to fit this.
You should have looked into how roll cages are made before doing this. Every hinge point is a weakness. No trianglulation. All you're doing is adding more weight with really no significant protection.
You don't know how cages work and obviously don't know what a hinge is
@@mikewinstanley4360 Tell us all expert?
@@mikewinstanley4360 I'm a certified cage builder. And I'm telling straight out you are an idiot. Triangluation is what makes cages work
@@mikewinstanley4360 please do tell us how much you know.
Not to mention it doesnt look like its got a solid attachment to the frame other than with bend unders. Roll it and all its gonna do is bend at those points without bracing the angles lol.
1 more day until the big countdown
The Christmas tree burning
Oh my gosh I forgot about that thats one of the best parts of the year seeing that
Ohhhhh
And now he has chief is case it get a little out of hand
@@stewiestewart3589 maybe thats why he got chief :o maybe it will be HUGE
@@stewiestewart3589 Last year he had the real fire department out, and I expect the same thing
Anyone else wondering when the next abandoned mansion is coming out
This week on OffTheRanch Matt start building his killdozer.
Beat me to it!!😂🐱
Saw trump flag in background
@@carlsjr7975 sexy flag ain’t it?
@@BigCountryKracker correct
Shouldn’t you be thinking about undercarriage protection since you’re gonna be ramming stuff
Lol... Undercarriage 😂
If you ram over shrub and trees it can rip up the underside super easy, fuel lines, air tanks, air lines and so on
Those are skid plates
Just find a set of IED protective plates... they form a v underneath to direct blasts out away from the truck
Yep
lol, you are the king of "it sounded good in my head"
He is definitely preparing for the Zombie-Apocalypse.
Matt, cover the lights and any glass with welding paper otherwise the sparks will burn marks in them. When your welding or grinding near them.
Welding on site myself, this was the first thing that came to my head.. also Abel’s paint could get rusty stains
Matt: "When we hit something...If we hit something...I don't know if we are going to hit anything"
Demolitia: "We know you are going to hit things."
if goldie wasnt already gone id bet that he would ram the side of if it for the sendoff
If you still have connections with the trophy truck builders, you need to hit them up! Schedule 40 does NOT make for a rollover safe cage. It will absolutely protect you from trees and objects to a certain degree but I'm worried you're going to give yourself a false sense of security and put the truck in more of a potential rollover scenario with no real added safety.
You should be looking to reenforce your frame tie-in points, you need to be using some more triangulation on your critical support points across the cage. Do this for the cab, who cares about the hood in a rollover.
What you have isn't wasted yet, but don't trust that same design and material for the passenger compartment! Step up to some Chrome Moly piping that all the race car/truck standards would require as if you were building a cage for drag, circle track, drift, or trophy truck racing.
Chromoly is mainly used because you can use thinner tube walls which makes it lighter, it's not needed for strength.
Chromoly is useless unless you can heat treat it post weld.
Good luck finding a heat treat oven that large.
I think it’s awesome you keep using Brandon for all of your welding projects.
Should get a riot cage over the windshield to protect it from rocks or flying objects from smashing the windshield
Lol i said basically the same thing. Wooo lets go full mad max!
And a gatlin gun on the back of 5 ton and
spikes on rims
polycarbonate panels infront of the windows
The 'cage' is just cosmetic. This tubing will not support a roll over nor a hard strike from a front end collision. The metal is too weak and the 5 ton's inertia would cancel any strength it would have in a collision. ...although it does look cool :)
"Cars have bumpers to make them better at hitting things"-Matt Carriker
Hahaha :-)
Pull out bar on the front with a pully to use the winch and mechanical advantage to lift the hood protector
Headache Rack with triangulation for strength. Squares aren’t going to protect you or your passengers.
As a mechanical engineer, you make a great veterinarian. 😎
You are going to want to put in bushings and grease fittings on the hinges.
Cool matt keep going . Light bars completely around the top hoop
Might need to mount a front camera to avoid running over pets and kids.
And full grown adults
It already has a camera on the front
@@robertblackson97 yes but the pipe is right in the way
O yes now I see lol
This isn't even close to structurally sound given the weight of that thing. There's no triangulation or effective bracing anywhere. There's a reason real exo cages have bars on the inside also.
Yeah really it’s just for the look which I don’t like at all
For a proper cafe for this truck he would need to use .125 2x4 tube, however if this thing ever rolls it will stop on it’s side and the rood is probably engineered for a rollover, especially as a military vehicle. However I do agree exocages are mainly used for panel protection in the event of something going sideways.
To lift the cage off of the hood, you could build a bar that comes out from the bumper with a heavy duty pulley on the end and use the winch to lift the cage. Also, use the bar as a safety to catch the cage. I can send a model if you wish.
I was thinking the same thing. They could build a storage rack in the bed to keep it with the truck.
@@JamesS.254 or store it behind the front bumper with a rack of some sort.
Needs rails from the front nose cage to the roof so if you down a tree it will go up and over. Could use trailer hitch pins to remove them. Also attaching sharpened load binder hooks on the nose are good to cut downed wires away from the rig. Looks good brother
Tree branch deflectors to protect the windscreen and wipers from being hit.
You need to triangulate your cage to resist racking.
I feel like this is going to be a terrible idea that leads to the 5 ton getting destroyed. That's what happens when you hang out with Whistlin Weasel...
@Ethan Hooper people get butthurt he destroys shit for a living
@@andred7415 lol it's funny how people get attached to things he builds that we know will get a BMG or a Tank Round or track at some point. Thats the fun of it.
@Ethan Hooper he is an idiot that just wrecks stuff
Your just butthurt that your not the one having fun 😂😂
@I Am Sekou yes... he does... he destroys vehicles for youtube videos and makes more than most people with a 9-5
You can use a winch system to move the guard back and forth. Like have two small winches on each side in the back to keep the frame from falling down after it reaches the tipping point.
Saw the post on CB welding ig a while ago. Been waiting for this
Cool
Me too
Reading comments agree you need to consult a proper roll cage expert. Also you definitely need some underside protection. Ie a heavy duty sump guard
I pray you never actually roll this thing, because you'll be prying that cage out of the passenger compartment.
I pray he doesn’t roll it because it would be one hard thing to flip back over
Torsion spring or spring actuator to help with the weight, catch pin end stop, disc spring stack to help slow it down at the end of travel and absorb the energy both directions.
You need Rock Sliders!
That is a definite must have here!
@@AxxLAfriku I like the videos
Truth
I like your videos
Oh yeah
Is it just me or does the exoskeleton kind of ruin the look of the 5 ton
I'm currently on the fence, I'll reserve judgement until it's finished but it does look awesome as is (the truck, not the cage). The cage may very well end up a bit O.T.T.
It does, but not as much as "JustTheDipz" ruined the Corvette.
It's a bit too Mad Max for me, but it's certainly a lot more badass than a stock military truck.
Yeah I agree, it ruins it for me, but hey I don't own the truck ;D
@@americansmark but Able isn't stock. It's a chopped up 5 Ton made into a pick-up.
Dude! I love most of what you do, but this one is a dud. The 5 ton is an amazing looking truck. It doesn’t need any help cosmetically. The cage, I think, makes it look like it’s more of something out of Mad Max. If you’re truly going for protection, then a roll cage on the inside of the cab will do the trick. All of that exoskeleton… I don’t know, dude. It ain’t working for me.
It’s like doing major plastic surgery on Jessica Alba.
Agree, cage is going to make giant shadows and it’s going to be a pain to open the hood
wait until it begins to rust
@@Callsign_Fredrick877 Hahahahaha nice
Poop pipe isn't for protection!
4:32 i like that sign.
You thought of almost everything.... you forgot the front camera that is now blocked by a pipe .....
I’m sure you can move a camera
Or how the hood opens
normal people: "we need a brush gaurd incase we hit some thing", Mat Carriker, "big trucks need big bumpers because they need to hit bigger things", lol. btw the bars will effect the spread of the beam from your head lights more than you think. for lifting the cage off the hood, you could make a reciever mount on the front bumper, then make a bar that slides in with a pulley and loop your winch back to the cage to pull it open. cant wait to see how you put it to use, lol
Sump protection/lower guard, so you don’t get debris going between the front axle and engine bay.
mats getting ready for when the goverment comes falling down xD
He really is though and it’s pretty hilarious how well he disguises it
When that happens there will be a whole lot of demolition heading to texas
“I wanna be protected in a rollover” 5 seconds later “ I wanna be really good at hitting things”
😂😂😂
You need a skid plate on to bottom to protect everything!
That truck is too heavy, in a roll over those pipes would just bend.
Agree
Half inch pipe no way
Came here to say the same thing.
They would bend too.
thats the idea the pipe bends before the passengers.
Matt. Take it off! Stock looked clean.
The bird you saw was a Roadrunner. Able is becoming a real beast! I can’t wait to see what else you have in store for him! Happy New Year 🎉🎊 🎆!
glad to see someone else that knows their birds.
Was a pheasant you can see the white collar on the neck
@@fishboy5960 greater roadrunners can have white banding around the neck and face just like a pheasant. the telltale sign for a roadrunner is the black to purple tail feathers and head feathers. the pheasant has a tan to brown tail feathers and green/blue/red head.
That was a pheasant
I stand corrected. It is a Ringed Necked Pheasant Not a Roadrunner.
Not overkill he's just preparing to collaborate with whistlendiesel again.
Matt wants to be Demolition (Ranch) Derby King.
Then he needs to waterproof it
Its like, how do I describe this, giving him more of a challenge so he will be more determined to destroy it
he´s just gonna make it whistlingdieselproof!
Every rally car I’ve seen has triangulation of their roll cages. Want to keep you and your family safe Matt. God Bless and happy new year!
1:This is awesome. 2: it is awesome that your letting some younger guys do it.3: my first rollcage was an exo cage on a suburban. 14 stick of 1.75 dom.
Don't know for sure, but shouldn't there be a bunch of triangles in there somewhere? Cool tools!
gusseting and more gusseting, it will only be as strong as the connection points.
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@@someweirdassdude5759 he’s saying this “cage” isn’t near as strong as it looks. With it connected by weak hinges and no gussets it’s only aesthetic.
It’s a shame that Mark never got to experience the 5 Ton. I’m sure he would’ve loved that thing!
No doubt he would've loved it
You should design the bull nose to catch the metal tube frame at a certain angle to hold it from flying forward. You might even be able to put a pulley somewhere at the front to use the wench to pull the frame forward for you to get access to the engine.
That “pheasant” looked like a roadrunner to me...
Was thinking the same.
I believe it is a roadrunner
Nope a roadrunner doesn’t have a ringed neck. That was a rooster pheasant. No doubt about it.
It in fact was a pheasant! The ring neck gave it away. They hang out by roads and fence lines. We have been hunting them hard here the past month in Oklahoma.
Yup
A Roll cage is not about welding or looking beefy, it is about calculating the expected forces and having bracing in the right places. It might look "beefy" but once you land on the roof it might fold like paper. Trusting two high school students because they can weld and can make a fence or some stairs? Have any of you done any calculations or simulations to see if it will actually will hold ?
What does Meredith say ? At least she is an engineer and has some clue as to what it takes to do a FEM analysis of a project like this ?
I hear a lot of "it looks" and "I think". Don't trust your life to maybe's.
He isnt doing it for protection for himself, its a way he dosent total the truck.
This is so funny. Have you ever built a roll cage?
@@dunnivanshea9963 🤔 he said it's for protection if it ever rolls.
@@steelpenguins6917 he's not claiming he has, he might be coming off as harsh but there's some truth to it. He's just looking out for Matt 💪🏿
It’s better than nothing
Brandon needs a brand at Bunker Branding!! This guy does great work and I hope with the millions of viewers he is incredibly successful. Get a TH-cam going Bud, you do great work brother!
I’d love to watch videos of his work
You gotta put some limb risers on that beast. Can easily make them capable of swinging out of the way when you need to access the engine, and would be really effective at raising branches above the cab when driving around the ranch
This is what happens when Matt is left unsupervised for too long. I've been left unsupervised before and this is what it looks like.
“I don’t really know what pheasants look like.” - Dr (ish)
To be fair most people don't keep pheasants as pets or take them to the vet LOL
I saw one while I was hunting.
I was told they were roadrunners my entire life. Jesus if that’s a pheasant I’m gonna start a riot
Edit: never mind. I have seen roadrunners a lot. Just not pheasants. That was a roadrunner
RoadRunner....?
@@v8foraheart884 nope, roadrunners don't have black-and-white neckrings.
I love that this was designed in SketchUp
Ooooo, I love that bending machine, worked with the exact same model for years when I worked as a hydraulic mechanic.
Able in a Christmas parade would be sweet next year!
Matt, you said the reason you didn’t need a CDL was because of the weight loss due to the tail being bobbed. Will adding this extra weight back on put you in danger of exceeding that weight limit?
Its not about the weight of the vehicle, its about the GVWR (what the vehicle is RATED for combined with payload). By removing the axle, it reduced the GVWR to under 26k lbs.
I have a hard time describing this, but I didn't want to give a short and possibly inadvertent smart a$$ answer..... but the short answer is, adding weight doesn't affect class of license needed - for the most part.
clear as mud?! Lol
@@RidingMann Overloading the vehicle has its own issues that not related to needing a CDL though.
@@ionstorm66 Right. That's why I said "for the most part"... I would guess his roll bar wont get close to making him overweight, though.
I am a manager in the transportation industry, and the FMCSA manual is pretty complex, I have a really hard time explaining it, even to some very talented drivers. I often find myself saying "trust me", and I know they dont! Lol
I just tried to give a brief explanation. There are several caveats to it, for sure!
@@rrr3r2 Believe it or not, for hire (commercial) doesn't have anything to do with needing a CDL. It's all defined by GVWR of the vehicle and/or the combination of the GVWR of vehicle and trailer.
Excluding one scenario, 26,001 lbs and over of GVWR requires a CDL - class dependent on how you get to that (either vehicle alone or combination of vehicle and trailer).
Fellas in the state of Texas they have graduated license for non commercial vehicles as well as commercial. The way the truck sits now it would have a gcvwr over 26001 lbs but because it's not registered as a commercial vehicle no cdl but in Texas it will require a class a non commercial driver's license. Learned that fact from the trailer guy on u tube! Good luck with it.
Umm, isn't Mere an engineer?
Also, I'm relatively certain the skeleton needs arches or triangles in order to distribute the forces (hence why most roofs aren't flat and long span bridges have arches); straight lines will fold like a cheap card table under force. But I'm just a plant pathologist, so what do I know?
This is true! You’re not even allowed to race in most races, if your roll cage isn’t triangulated in the corners. Supporting the corners like that pretty much triples the strength of the cage.
Civil I believe not a mechanical. I think this is more for the channel and not functionality. Let’s hope anyway.
I’m a commercial plumbing contractor so I work with that same pipe daily for gas pipe. I know it has a coating from the factory but black schedule 40 needs to be primed and coated or it will rust.
Looks good besides that brother!
Concerned the homemade hinges will slide left and right when you don't want them to.
That’s simple to fix just weld something next to the hinge
How many of y’all are loyal fans and haven’t told mere
You never tell Mere lol
I would never tell Mere😂
Never ever tell mere
Wait, people are telling Mere?
Oh shit
I dont even mention here name or think about her.
I think a straight pipe in place of the, “macaroni noodles”, would look a little better.
Probably make it stronger too
Was thinking the exact same thing.
Looks better like this following the hood in my opinion, it did look weird with straight pipes like they tried at first.
It would also likely help with stability.
After building quite a few cages for rock crawlers I’ve discovered running the tubing closer to you body (around 1” - 1 1/2” ) off the body works the best for safety as well as looking better. Just a suggestion.
You desperately need triangulation in that mesh of pipe. The strength of the cage is highly compromised with your array of squares. It looks 'beefy' but its really as weak a structure as can be made. Curved pipes have near zero strength under compressive stress as they are already bending. Please contact a real structural engineer.
100% correct and you can do more with less weight
It's your toy, do what you want with it. I think this exoskeleton around the entire truck detracts from the inherent badass nature of the truck and looks stupid.
those guys have a bright future. need more young people like that these days
I would suggest bearings in the hood-bar hinge to ensure smooth opening and closing... And don't forget the grease zerts!
To get the frame to swing up to access the hood you should rig up some kind of removable pulley system so you can use the winch from the truck
he got a winch could easy make something so he can use it to open the hood
Won't this cage put you over the weight that you will need a CDL? I thought when you bought it the guy said it was just under the weight. Maybe not.
26,000 lbs is the limit .....26,001 it requires a CDL.
It’s based off of the trucks GVWR not the actual weight of the truck
@@cullenheim You're incorrect. 26,000 vehicle + cargo weight combined. The truck weight absolutely matters.
Yes the truck weight matters absolutely but Texas DPS and DMV go off of your truck and trailer’s gross weight rating. He probably has 12,000 pound axles on that thing, which would make his GVWR at 24,000 and his actual weight of the truck at 19,500 like he said
And yes you cannot legally exceed the weight ratings for your truck and trailer
Vet: "I don't know what a pheasant looks like."
Me: wanting to bring my pet pheasant for a check up.. "nope"
😂😂😂😂😂
Matt... Use the winch to lift the cage. Free spool up through a pulley on a strong support beam inside then back down to the cage. Simple
Hey Matt, isn't there a camera on Able's grill that is now being blocked by pipe?
Matt: *builds 5 ton version of KillDozer*
Also Matt: **drives over Kentucky’s safes**
He did when
@@usarmy500 I was joking, but it seems like something that Matt would do 😉
@@TStevens8296 ohh hahaha I thought he actually did but yes it seems like something he would do
Well, normally you would follow an SFI specification for a roll cage, but they don't seem to have anything that would fit this application. The closest thing is SFI 47.1 for pull tractors up to 10,000 Lbs, maybe you could use that as a bit of a guide for your cage.
To support the new hood contraption i suggest hydraulic actuator, put some on the hood as well as pulling those back can be a kick in the back