Nice video! I upgraded my 915 with a Seine Systems Gate Shift Kit in my SC and I also can particularly recommend it as well to improve the shift feeling. Beside of that a fully makeover of the whole shift linkage and first and formost the appropriate gear oil make a huge difference! Many 911 owners / mechanics want to make it well and use the wrong transmission oil. They make the mistake and fill a modern (partly or fully synthetic) gear oil with far too low viscosity in the 915! On the other hand Porsche recommendeds in the car's manual a pretty old fashioned mineral based only SAE90 GL5 oil with a low temperature viscosity (40°C/104°F) of approx. 180mm²/s=180cSt and a high temperature viscosity (100°C/212°F) of at least 17mm²/s=17cSt. The reason for that is that the Porsche-patented synchronization of the 915 requires urgently a higher viscosity with a higher drag torque! If the viscoisty of the oil and therefore the drag torque is too low, the 915 won't work properly, especially when the gearbox is warmed up after a half an hour of driving...the result with the SAE90 GL5 will be a lack of shifting comfort while the gearbox oil is cold, but a huge improvement until the oil warmed up...unfortunately the oil vendors tend to take now those old oils out of range...but some smaller shops keep those oils in sale for old car ethusiasts like us ;-) Best regards from Germany!
Ive always had a love for the air cooled 911/930.I honestly prefer the 915 gearbox over the G50. The 915 gearbox was the first car I learned to drive a manual trans when I had my 85 911. Now I’m looking for a 3.2L 911 engine and a 915 gearbox for 72 Bug. It’s fascinating that VW and Porsche almost interchange parts with one another.
I have a WEVO short shifter in my 1984 Carrera. I also got a Stomski shift coupler. The coupler is also important to get. I was racing my car and the two together were wonderful. My mechanic, at the time, thought changing out the shifter, etc., was a waste of money. But he had to admit my car shifted better than any other air-cooled 911 he had driven. My car is now retired from racing and has undergone an "outlaw" restoration. It's beautiful and still shifts great. Everyone who has driven it says it "drives great".
That 1st to 2nd hesitation is magnified because you're letting the revs drop between gears. Instead, feather the throttle when you clutch. It falls right in.
Hey👍🏻Like the comparison. I've got the Official factory short shift fitted to my 3.2 and I must say it has improved greatly in the shifting, also 95% eliminating the 'sloppy' gate. With the 915 it's all about the 'feel' when shifting, unlike any modern car gearbox. I think the shifting issues stem from folks trying to shift quickly in the lower gears, forgetting they're not in their VW Golf gti. The 915 is a strong gearbox, but had too much bad press regarding the 1st to 2nd shift feel, eventually the synchromesh say's 'enough is enough'. The WEVO is a lovely addition and I wouldn't think twice on buying one, but I am very pleased with the improvement of my factory option kit.
Shift kits in some cars make a lot of sense, I did that with my 2012 Mustang GT, was going to do it with my Challenger but they fixed much of the issues, maybe later on once more things wear out over time, in your case if your driving as you say you are yeah the kit makes much sense. Nice vid.....yeah when with a challenger because no 928's at a reasonable price with a Dog leg came up... hard to compete with someone who wants to but a GT version and two early 911 Turbos...
couple of key features of the 915 wevo. The click is to prevent going from 5 to R. This is one of the real usp's of that piece of hardware, surprised that you weren't aware of it. The other usp of the wevo, is the centering spring in the transversal plane, which is not standard on the 915. As you mentioned however, for later 915's 3.2 with the factory short(er)shift, it really isn't the shorter throw of the Wevo that makes it valuable. The other two things do, though! CheeRS (stole that line to Magnus Walker)
I have the J West Rennshift kit on my 1973 911 with a 915 and I agree that a modern shift mechanism improves the 915 dramatically. I no longer list shift action as one of the tings I do not like about this car. Originally at the top of the list with the exhaust system, since cured as well.
Great video, real informative. I do like when creators take the time to add in the labeled segments in the scrub bar, very useful. Does the Wevo shifter have springs or other mechanism to make the shifter spring back to center when in neutral?
The car looks superb. I'm not a fan of modifying cars to any degree but I approve of what you've done here. The slow and ponderous shift was always a weak point, although some would describe it as character.
I installed a Wevo on my ‘81 SC a couple years ago and wow yes, huge difference!! I also have the same 917 knob! Man you have impeccable taste!!😂😂. Just ordered the FD complete short shifter kit with golden rod for my ‘96 yesterday! What does your ‘95 have?
Troy Hanson we are air cooled brethren. I’m running fister stage 2 exhaust, the golden rod and the FD SSK. Let me just say you’re gonna love it. If you don’t have the PSS10’s, you need those as well.
@@Rennthusiast Nice! Yes we must be brethren! I do have the PSS10’s! I’ve got a couple other 911 generations (water cooled) too but not a 997. I’m excited to get your review of that sweet Mezger engine ( and how much hp does it have with your apr tune?) how’s the gearing, acceleration and how the more modern the 997 as it compares to the air cooled stuff (but still retains the hydraulic steering feel) Does it feel heavy or hide the extra weight well? I’ve heard the 997 is really the last of the old school but that bigger leap into modernization in the 911. The 991 really went even more modern and even Id say, exotic, comfortable and yes, bigger. But is awesome in a whole new way. Love the 911, greatest car of all time. (All gens are awesome in their own way but so different but yet so familiar. Porsche is my religion 😂😂 keep up the cool content!!
Does the spring "return" the shifter to like a neutral setting? That is to say, if you pull it out of 5th, does it want to return to central neutral (centered between 3rd and 4th), so wanting to return to the left out of 5th or the right out of second? One of the things I like about my BMW is that when I pull it out of 5th, the springs are nice and strong and move the shifter back to the middle immediately. That way, it's a straight pull into 4th or a push into third. There's no hunting for gears. If the shifter is too loose or doesn't want to return to center, I find that it's more difficult to find the gears.
Hi Will. You love the 1986 with the 915. What do you like about the 915 so much? The G50 is regarded as being 'better'. If you had to choose between a well sorted 915 or a well sorted G50, what would be your choice?
Well sorted 915. It requires more skill to make it work well. It feels far more vintage - if someone wants a newer, smoother gearbox then the newer cars are great for it. Thanks for watching!
@@Rennthusiast thanks for replying so quickly! I have a 2015 C4S manual as well. I saw that you had problems with the WEVO, have you thought of the Numeric Racing for your '86? I have it installed in my C4S, and it's fantastic. I've only recently considered looking for a 915 due to the Numeric shifter becoming available for it. Currently, not available for the G50. Would be really great to see if you could test the Numeric shifter, I respect your opinion and watch your channel with enthusiasm. You need to post an update on your '86!
'86 911 is an awesome machine. How much did the short shifter help the throw? I just changed my shift coupler and it helped the directness when shifting.
Thanks for the video, Will. Have you driven the G50? That’s what my car is and it’s pretty notchy. Same tho, gets much better once warm. Wonder if this kit would improve the G50?
You would have to do your research as I don’t know if it’s available for the G50. I have driven a 3.2 with a G50. My buddy has an 87 coupe in white. I found his to be smooth but it could be that’s because I drove it right after driving mine
@@Rennthusiast Right, true. Like you, trying to keep mine pretty original. Suspension has been modified some, and car lowered. Plus momo wheel. But rest is original.
I have heard that but it’s not the case with mine. As I roll to a stop and place light pressure against 1st it falls in at maybe like 3 mph. No forcing and no grinding. Just eases into gear. It’s nice.
Hello nice looking 86. I have an 85 with 6 inch up front and 7 inch in rear by 16 inch wheels. I love the stance on your car. What size wheels and tires are you running?
I will probably go with pilot sport 4’s or something similar next time. These are great as they absorb road imperfections and have a bit of a cushier ride given they’re all terrain. They also perform well but do have some sidewall flex that I wish weren’t there. I’m running Pilots Sports on my 993 and they are a better tire. Different size, of course, but less flex. Thanks for watching .
Andrea M. I’m sorry, but I’m not sure. I haven’t really put any energy into learning about that. My mechanic did adjust my clutch cable a few months ago and the clutch feel change a bit but nothing too dramatic. As I recall it became a little more precise.
That click in fifth is the reverse lockout tab snapping into place so you don’t go from 5th to R
Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. How do you think my review is? Do you agree, disagree?
Nice review, I am still restoring my 76 targa
@@Rennthusiast You're a lawyer right? Maybe an accountant or CPA but first pick is lawyer.
@@bill2953 lol way off. Business guy.
A "screwdriver in a can of rocks"- Mike Brewer on Wheeler Dealer. I very much like the way you went with the shift boot and knob, classic and clean.
Nice video! I upgraded my 915 with a Seine Systems Gate Shift Kit in my SC and I also can particularly recommend it as well to improve the shift feeling. Beside of that a fully makeover of the whole shift linkage and first and formost the appropriate gear oil make a huge difference!
Many 911 owners / mechanics want to make it well and use the wrong transmission oil. They make the mistake and fill a modern (partly or fully synthetic) gear oil with far too low viscosity in the 915! On the other hand Porsche recommendeds in the car's manual a pretty old fashioned mineral based only SAE90 GL5 oil with a low temperature viscosity (40°C/104°F) of approx. 180mm²/s=180cSt and a high temperature viscosity (100°C/212°F) of at least 17mm²/s=17cSt. The reason for that is that the Porsche-patented synchronization of the 915 requires urgently a higher viscosity with a higher drag torque! If the viscoisty of the oil and therefore the drag torque is too low, the 915 won't work properly, especially when the gearbox is warmed up after a half an hour of driving...the result with the SAE90 GL5 will be a lack of shifting comfort while the gearbox oil is cold, but a huge improvement until the oil warmed up...unfortunately the oil vendors tend to take now those old oils out of range...but some smaller shops keep those oils in sale for old car ethusiasts like us ;-)
Best regards from Germany!
Man the more I see this car the more I like it. Beautiful car and hope to see more of it and the 993.
Ive always had a love for the air cooled 911/930.I honestly prefer the 915 gearbox over the G50. The 915 gearbox was the first car I learned to drive a manual trans when I had my 85 911.
Now I’m looking for a 3.2L 911 engine and a 915 gearbox for 72 Bug. It’s fascinating that VW and Porsche almost interchange parts with one another.
I have a WEVO short shifter in my 1984 Carrera. I also got a Stomski shift coupler. The coupler is also important to get. I was racing my car and the two together were wonderful. My mechanic, at the time, thought changing out the shifter, etc., was a waste of money. But he had to admit my car shifted better than any other air-cooled 911 he had driven. My car is now retired from racing and has undergone an "outlaw" restoration. It's beautiful and still shifts great. Everyone who has driven it says it "drives great".
I have had an Outlaw build on my mind lately, actually.
Thanks for watching and for commenting.
That 1st to 2nd hesitation is magnified because you're letting the revs drop between gears. Instead, feather the throttle when you clutch. It falls right in.
Exactly just tap throttle or speed up the process.
Hey👍🏻Like the comparison. I've got the Official factory short shift fitted to my 3.2 and I must say it has improved greatly in the shifting, also 95% eliminating the 'sloppy' gate. With the 915 it's all about the 'feel' when shifting, unlike any modern car gearbox. I think the shifting issues stem from folks trying to shift quickly in the lower gears, forgetting they're not in their VW Golf gti. The 915 is a strong gearbox, but had too much bad press regarding the 1st to 2nd shift feel, eventually the synchromesh say's 'enough is enough'.
The WEVO is a lovely addition and I wouldn't think twice on buying one, but I am very pleased with the improvement of my factory option kit.
Great video. I also have the same issues with the 915 trans. Still love it though.
Still getting used to my Numeric short shift in my 997. Brings the beast out in the car.
My four speed shifts beautifully. Long throws, but you get used to it. Very satisfying shifts.
Great Video, Very informative! Man can't get enough of that Guards Red 911! Full on Trance at every glance!
What a beautiful car, great collection ✌️
Shift kits in some cars make a lot of sense, I did that with my 2012 Mustang GT, was going to do it with my Challenger but they fixed much of the issues, maybe later on once more things wear out over time, in your case if your driving as you say you are yeah the kit makes much sense. Nice vid.....yeah when with a challenger because no 928's at a reasonable price with a Dog leg came up... hard to compete with someone who wants to but a GT version and two early 911 Turbos...
couple of key features of the 915 wevo. The click is to prevent going from 5 to R. This is one of the real usp's of that piece of hardware, surprised that you weren't aware of it. The other usp of the wevo, is the centering spring in the transversal plane, which is not standard on the 915. As you mentioned however, for later 915's 3.2 with the factory short(er)shift, it really isn't the shorter throw of the Wevo that makes it valuable. The other two things do, though! CheeRS (stole that line to Magnus Walker)
Love the coco mats, just received my set for my 987. Awsome video.
I have the J West Rennshift kit on my 1973 911 with a 915 and I agree that a modern shift mechanism improves the 915 dramatically. I no longer list shift action as one of the tings I do not like about this car. Originally at the top of the list with the exhaust system, since cured as well.
Great looking Daytona
Great video, real informative. I do like when creators take the time to add in the labeled segments in the scrub bar, very useful. Does the Wevo shifter have springs or other mechanism to make the shifter spring back to center when in neutral?
It does. The shifter always falls back to neutral unlike the way it behaves stock.
Thanks for watching!
Great vid Will. Sharing with a mate...
The car looks superb. I'm not a fan of modifying cars to any degree but I approve of what you've done here. The slow and ponderous shift was always a weak point, although some would describe it as character.
#Modif4Lyfe 😄
Excellent content!
This is a 86? So it's a Carrara with a 3.2l engine? Currently thinking about getting a 3.0 SC or a 2.7S.
I installed a Wevo on my ‘81 SC a couple years ago and wow yes, huge difference!! I also have the same 917 knob! Man you have impeccable taste!!😂😂. Just ordered the FD complete short shifter kit with golden rod for my ‘96 yesterday! What does your ‘95 have?
Troy Hanson we are air cooled brethren. I’m running fister stage 2 exhaust, the golden rod and the FD SSK. Let me just say you’re gonna love it. If you don’t have the PSS10’s, you need those as well.
@@Rennthusiast Nice! Yes we must be brethren! I do have the PSS10’s! I’ve got a couple other 911 generations (water cooled) too but not a 997. I’m excited to get your review of that sweet Mezger engine ( and how much hp does it have with your apr tune?) how’s the gearing, acceleration and how the more modern the 997 as it compares to the air cooled stuff (but still retains the hydraulic steering feel) Does it feel heavy or hide the extra weight well? I’ve heard the 997 is really the last of the old school but that bigger leap into modernization in the 911. The 991 really went even more modern and even Id say, exotic, comfortable and yes, bigger. But is awesome in a whole new way. Love the 911, greatest car of all time. (All gens are awesome in their own way but so different but yet so familiar. Porsche is my religion 😂😂 keep up the cool content!!
I wonder why you don't do more revs than 3000. A flat six comes alive beyond that.
Guess I just didn’t happen to hammer on it in this vid. This engine is healthy so I enjoy taking it all the way to the redline.
Thanks for watching.
Does the spring "return" the shifter to like a neutral setting? That is to say, if you pull it out of 5th, does it want to return to central neutral (centered between 3rd and 4th), so wanting to return to the left out of 5th or the right out of second? One of the things I like about my BMW is that when I pull it out of 5th, the springs are nice and strong and move the shifter back to the middle immediately. That way, it's a straight pull into 4th or a push into third. There's no hunting for gears. If the shifter is too loose or doesn't want to return to center, I find that it's more difficult to find the gears.
Yes
I think of driving the 915 to playing a fretless instrument--you have to pay attention to what you are doing to make the music happen.
Hi Will. You love the 1986 with the 915. What do you like about the 915 so much? The G50 is regarded as being 'better'. If you had to choose between a well sorted 915 or a well sorted G50, what would be your choice?
Well sorted 915.
It requires more skill to make it work well.
It feels far more vintage - if someone wants a newer, smoother gearbox then the newer cars are great for it.
Thanks for watching!
@@Rennthusiast thanks for replying so quickly! I have a 2015 C4S manual as well. I saw that you had problems with the WEVO, have you thought of the Numeric Racing for your '86? I have it installed in my C4S, and it's fantastic. I've only recently considered looking for a 915 due to the Numeric shifter becoming available for it. Currently, not available for the G50. Would be really great to see if you could test the Numeric shifter, I respect your opinion and watch your channel with enthusiasm. You need to post an update on your '86!
That’s a great video, exactly what we are interested in.
Any changes on the clutch ?
Thank you for the feedback.
No change in clutch feel or engagement point.
Thanks for watching 👍🏼
How high are the ceilings in your garage to fit the lift?
Great video! I was wondering if you considered the JWest Rennshifter when looking at your options. If so, why did you go with the Wevo? Cheers.
Thanks. I went with the Wevo based on a recommendation from a friend.
'86 911 is an awesome machine. How much did the short shifter help the throw? I just changed my shift coupler and it helped the directness when shifting.
The factory SSK didn’t seem to make a huge impact but what did was the wevo classic I installed.
What steering wheel do you have on the red 911 wevo porsche
Thanks for posting - Did you use Precision Shift Joints (PSJ) to? Cheers
I did not. Perhaps I should look into it.
Thanks for the video, Will. Have you driven the G50? That’s what my car is and it’s pretty notchy. Same tho, gets much better once warm. Wonder if this kit would improve the G50?
You would have to do your research as I don’t know if it’s available for the G50.
I have driven a 3.2 with a G50. My buddy has an 87 coupe in white. I found his to be smooth but it could be that’s because I drove it right after driving mine
@@Rennthusiast Right, true. Like you, trying to keep mine pretty original. Suspension has been modified some, and car lowered. Plus momo wheel. But rest is original.
What is the new exhaust, beautiful car.
Is it common and or normal that you cannot shift to first unless you are at a complete stop? Seems that’s what everyone says. Just curious.
I have heard that but it’s not the case with mine. As I roll to a stop and place light pressure against 1st it falls in at maybe like 3 mph. No forcing and no grinding. Just eases into gear. It’s nice.
Hello nice looking 86. I have an 85 with 6 inch up front and 7 inch in rear by 16 inch wheels. I love the stance on your car. What size wheels and tires are you running?
Alva B thanks! 17” wheels. Here’s tire info. I can’t recall the details off the top of my head: th-cam.com/video/u5d_Nkn8YeQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Rennthusiast 17” thought so. Invaluable to have user feedback on tires. Thank you sir!
I will probably go with pilot sport 4’s or something similar next time. These are great as they absorb road imperfections and have a bit of a cushier ride given they’re all terrain. They also perform well but do have some sidewall flex that I wish weren’t there. I’m running Pilots Sports on my 993 and they are a better tire. Different size, of course, but less flex. Thanks for watching .
Any improvement can be done on the clutch system ?
Andrea M. I’m sorry, but I’m not sure. I haven’t really put any energy into learning about that.
My mechanic did adjust my clutch cable a few months ago and the clutch feel change a bit but nothing too dramatic. As I recall it became a little more precise.
Nothing at all to do with the clutch. It's all in the syncros
can power steering from a 993 be fitted to an SC?
OS993 full disclosure, I am not a mechanic but I am doubtful. Then again pretty much anything can be done with enough money.
Why on earth would anyone want to even consider that?
The Monte Carlo looks better in this generation of 911