The Einstein Transition | Polyrhythmic DJ Mixing | CDJ 3000
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OK guys, in this video I am going to be teaching you a very complicated DJ transition. We are going to be using polyrhythmic mixing techniques. We are going to be using the CDJ 3000 and we will be looping 3/2 bars.
This will allow us to go from 120 BPM- 170 BPM.
If you have ever wondered how to mix between different BPM or Genres, this video will certainly help you out!
Very complicated mixing technique but I think some of you will love it!
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Before using computers (90s), I would use breakbeat/breaks records and use the 33/45 buttons for transistions from 125-130ish bpms to DnB 165-180ish tempo.
Interesting. I always think there’s only 2 ways to this kind of layering:
- Double/half the bpm (all of you already know)
- 1.5x the bpm (eg: when the 150bpm song gets to 6th bar, the 100bpm song will stand at it’s 4th bar)
So yeah, this is pretty useful for me. Many thanks Phil ! You rock !
It seems that is the exact reason why this can work.
Nice one to use in the set's. 3/4 is the half of 3/2 ((3/4)*2=6/4) so its baisicly duble the speed, thats why it works as well 😊
Last saturday i played at a party and did too much acid, when it was peaking and i almost didnt know what buttons to press, i somehow forgot to tempo match my tracks and started doing some crazy transitions that i've never done before. at a certain point my mate came to me and asked me wtf is was doing and how i made it sound so incredible, 1 track was playing at 126 and the other at 129 (i think), and somehow while tripping i could calculate the rhythm but i had to adjust the jogwheel every 3 seconds to make it work. this literaly has never happened before, everyone said it was the best set i ever played, and i still dont understand how i did it ..
this polyrhythmic thing is the closest i could find to what i was doing
Me: Yes, a new way to do and learn transition with huge BPM change!
Phil: Let's do math
Me: ._.
Also great tutorial! I try this next week. Thanks!
Heya @DJPhilHarris, I came across this video and it helped greatly! Thank you. And after seeing your explanation, now I can explain the math to you if you'd like. If you don't like, stop reading now. LOL.
Essentially, the track that is playing is going to be in a Loop, we'll call this Loop 1 or L1 for short. Now imagine, the track you're introducing is also in a loop, L2 for short. The thing that is key to remember: you're trying to change the number of beats per bar and have it line up. If you re-imagine that the bar is a loop for track 2, that's the ticket. Meaning, you're trying to have the same bar phrasing but you're changing the time signature using loops. Don't get too caught up on this right now, it will make sense after the examples.
Now for example, you want to go from say, 90bpm to faster. Well, what is a possible faster resulting bpm?
So you know that for every 1.5 beats that Track1 (L1) is doing, you want the new, faster Track2 (L2) to have 2 beats. So with some simple ratio math:
L1/1.5 = L2/2.
Now solve for L2.
When you solve and rearrange you get:
4/3*L1 = L2.
So for my example, (4/3)*90bpm = 120bpm. Essentially, by cramming 4 beats of the new track into 3 beats of the old track, you've overlaid 4/4 signature on top of 3/4 signature. This is musically correct, which is why it works.
Keep in mind, this same ratio is exactly the same for the following values:
2/1.5 = 4/3 = 8/6.
So for track 1 you could set a 1.5, 3, or even 6 beat loop. And track 2 would have a corresponding loop timing of 2 beats, 4 beats or 8 beats.
This all works in to slow down too. Now say you want to go from 128bpm down to a slower bpm. What is that bpm? Well, you want to have 4 beats in L1 and 3 beats in L2 to slow it down. So now you would do, 3/4*L1 = L2. Therefore, for a 128bpm slowdown, 3/4*128bpm = 96bpm. Therefore, pick Track2 to be about 96bpm.
Okay, so now this same concept works for other values. On the RX3 controller, the odd options are 3/4, 1, 3/2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 with the standard beat loops of 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 8. So you can do this in most any combination that's reasonable. Again, don't get too caught up on this because these are some odd phrasings.
For example, let's say your playing a mashup track at 80bpm and the dancefloor is dying. You're like, damn, ok, let's slam this back into dance-party bpm of like high 120's or low 130's or so. Well, the (4/3)*L1 trick is only gonna get you to about 107bpm. So now you're like, "damn, what do I do?!?!?!?!" So you want to increase the ratio even more! So let's see what cramming 8 beats from Track 2 into 5 beats of Track 1 does:
(8/5)*80bpm = 8*80/5 = 640/5 = 128bpm. MONEY! Throw on some grimey tech house and GO! :D
But wait, they're not diggin it and you're like, "Ok, let's blast em with some hardcore techno at about 150bpm". So you just need to eek out about 15% more speed, well, 9 is about 15% bigger than 8. So cool, you want to cram 9 beats of hardcore on L2 into 8 beats of techhouse on L1:
(9/8)*128 = 144bpm.
Then you keep them there for an hour and people are sweating, overly excited, and need a breather to go pee, chill for a bit, and tell their friends about their life-changing revelations. So you're like, "let's just toss on some dub reggae at half speed". So you want 2 beats of happy-hippy music for every 4 beats of hardcore:
(2/4)*144bpm = 72bpm. Right in the suuuuuper chill pocket. maybe even tooooo chill. Anyway, yeah, the math is the same for the simple ones too, halving and doubling.
Hope this helps!
DJ Emerson (phx)
It works out like this:
For every 3 beats of the slow track, the fast track does 4 beats.
You can check this by doing the same calculations as for the BPM. 3/3 is 1, 3+1 is 4
Now, you're putting it on a 6 beat (1.5 bar loop)
Remember, 3 slow beats is 4 fast beats. So 6 (3*2) slow beats take as long as 8 (2*4) fast ones.
So the loop loops exactly every 2 bars of the fast track. That's neat and our monke brains like neatly aligned things, so it works out.
It's actually simpler with a 3/4 or 3 beat loop. Then it just loops on every bar of the fast track
But the loop length is 3/2. Oh I’m lost
“So the loop loops exactly every 2 bars of the fast track”.
That explains why it sounds good with a beatless loop, as only the first beat aligns.
Yes it is doable in the Rekordbox Software on your PC. But you need to change some settings under Controller: "Other" and then "Quantize" then set the Loop quantize from 1/1 to 1/2. 👍
EDIT- Did a math mistake... You can do it easier (though may not be as easy in your head, but if you remember a few key BPMs you don't need to do the math). The ratio with these polyrhythmic mixing (CDJs have the built in loop for 3/4 and 5/4 but on a controller you can still do it manually). So to go up its BPM/0.75 and to go down you BPM*0.75. So if you want to go from a house BPM to DnB you can do 129/0.75=172bpm. To go down 172*0.75=129bpm. You can also achieve the cool "effect" Phil was doing with the upfader using the TRANS effect at 3/4 (and you can play with that effect by dropping to 1/2, etc to sound cool). This is (in my opinion) better sounding as its quantized (if you are using Pioneer CDJ/DJM900NXS2 or the V9- make sure the BPM is NOT blinking which means it is not sync'ed to your bpm and will sound like crap!. I have played at clubs that don't bother to connect the mixer with the pro link only the CDJs which means it has to "hear" the bpm through the internal mic of the mixer). *YOU can also as I saw below, mix in a track that is 1/2 of that BPM. So if you are playing at 172 you can easily beat match/mix in a song at 86 BPM. These together can sound clean and jump over a wide range of tempos without having to do gradually increasing TEMPO or a loop and bring the tempo up tricks...
(ORIGINAL POST) So I would like to suggest things to make it easier. Just do your BPM/1.5. Saves some extra math step. So if you are going to fast-> slow (reverse of what you have at 2:35s) 164/1.5= 123. If you are wanting to go Slow to fast (or slower...) you can do the same exact equation 123/1.5=82. So you can mix it into a 82BPM song, OR (just like you have displayed on your deck) just like many high tempo songs, your software/deck will show it 1/2 the actual BPM. So just double it like you are doing in your video. So 82x2=164 BPM.
Just makes the math a bit easier to do instead of doing multiple math operations. Cheers!
This comment helped me a year later, thank you so much 😅❤
Now I just think of it fast -> slow then divide by 1.5 and slow -> fast then divide by .75 - i think your first example 164/1.5 is supposed to be 109.3 - everything else spot on!
@@sadboolean8605 I realized I made a mistake. It is the ratios of 3/4 and 5/4 so its divide 0.75 and then mult by 0.75. Going to edit my example above. So if you start at say 129 BPM house and want to go to DnB or something. 129/0.75=172 and if you want to go back 172*0.75= 129. What Phil is doing with the up fader you can also accomplish by the TRANS effect set at 3/4. Then you can shorten/etc for a cool sounding effect.
You did the right thing getting the DJM900 - fantastic setup.
Im on the SX2 - my first controller since cutting my teeth on hip hop in the 80’s through 1210’s in the 90’s.
Absolutely love getting back into my EDM mixing. 👍🏼
Ah, another dj who makes me feel poor
....I knew that exact feeling up to 2 weeks ago 🤦♂️
You where one of the dj’s showing you can do anything with a DDJ-SX2 and now you don’t have it anymore? Love the new setup.... expensive 🤪
@@DJPhilHarris dude you own CDJS
@@DJ-kt5bk get a full time job and they’re not that hard to get
@@DJ-kt5bk mans still using like a Galaxy S6 for a smartphone, safe to say sacrifices have been made
Due to getting my DDJ SZ2 tomorrow? I’m literally binge watching every TH-cam video you have for information when I’m ready to practice 😂
Great idea for mixing genres! Nice setup too btw! I’d love that!
Also when you loop it, it’s sounds like it’s saying ‘Gorbachev’ over & over again!
3/4 beat echo is pretty much the only echo duration I use on my DDJ-800, regardless of song BPM, it just has a nice texture to my ears, especially cranking it up and down on buildups. I hadn't realised it was something that has only started appearing on newer Pioneer gear.
Really? I always get a bad sound when I use 3/4. I prefer 1/2 with the bass cut out.
@Ralph Hardwick I love the 3/4 echo, sounds like it’s raining beats!
I was been researching on this from past few years ..and u made it on the point ..thanks
Love the new setup. Thanks for the vid 👍🏻
Thanks you for this tutorial, i tried learning it myself but i gave up and now you uploaded this tutorial, i thought it would be harder than this
3000s and RCAs sweeet.
This the best thing since Quantum Key Mixing. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😎
LOVED this!!! But no CDJs. Soooo.... figured it out completely on a DDJ800 (which should apply to any Rekordbox controller). Prep by doubling the bpm, find your loop and use in-out on those 3 beats, save loop as a cue and label with bpm to mix to (mine says PRL-170 for poly-rhythmic loop 170bpm) and change bpm of track back to original. Works like a champ.
Very neat!!! I think you explained it really well. Got to figure out the right tracks to try it out. Also, can't wait to see your vid on what happened to the S11. 😀
I knew it! I. Knew. It! Mr Phil, you got struck with buyers' remorse! As bomb as the S11 is, you kept looking at your setup and kept thinking "this isn't a true club setup". It grated, and you ultimately succumbed! 200 bucks (quid?) more is all the 900NXS2 is so why not?
This will be cool transition to practice
Yo Phil here's how you fix that BPM issue you're having.
1 load the track in rekordbox
2 Click the grid button
3 Click the x2 button.
you can also adjust all your beat grids and everything whenever you analyze new music. Get it all crispy.
Sweet thanks!
What a spicy technique! Thank you
More like this Phil
Nice!!!!
It works with 3/4 because (1-1/2)/2 = 3/4. It’s just half the loop of the 1-1/2 or 3/2 bar
3/2 x 120 = 160
160 = 160
Beat and a half loop is 1.5 loop translated means 3/2.
That’s sick need to try this 😎!
This is awesome!
This is really interesting sh*t !!!
Nice transition
:0 I thought I was doing it wrong on my phone my entire life but lol it's a thing, polyrhythmic beats on 3/4 or 1/3 beat, I really appreciate it, I can't seem to find this anywhere else, this is the only video that helped me :)✨ still waiting for my DDJ-200 though😭😂
Yes but can you tell me how Cadbury's get a glass and a half in every bar? 😂 Only joking. And the new setup looks awesome. So cool. What happened to your mixer? Great vid as always.
Aww I got exited when I saw 170 I thought hardcore but nope drum n bass.... 😢😂 good vid tho man.
That's some very slow hardcore 😬
@@Roodeeboy hey man! Let me educate you. As a DJ myself who primarily mixes UK/Happyhardcore I can tell you 170bpm is the typical bpm you’ll find majority of tracks are produced at most falling between 170-175bpm most of us do play our sets around 180bpm to give a little more energy to our sets. Looks like you learned something new today man! 🙂
Hey what up Phil, cook video, I definitely thought this was extremely interesting, where as im a big D&B fan, & also im really big with skratching, & would love to learn mixing, as well.... I've been learning, & practicing, on vinyl with no computers, & skratching, more than anything, in all honesty. Been doin the whole portablism, & also collecting Skratch Vinyl, & musical vinyl, as well, trying to get better with all types of skratches, the basics, & want to learn mixing with my vinyl records, but im almost afraid to move my records around at all, when its my musical vinyl records, so I'm trying to learn the best way to mix with vinyl, & without having to depend on computers, ya know my friend. Would definitely like to join your classes, for sure. Great video man, Respex Big Upz Mad Love to DJ Phil, & all the DJs.... 🔥💯👍💪🙏🎶🌎
Eyy what happened to the s11?
I swapped it. I may make a video on it
You can absolutely do this in Serato. Great video though, nice transition.
how do you setup serato to do it
Hey Phil, while you're over here playing pattycake with your new gear, remix club misses you! its time to vote on this months songs. come home.
oh someone as been spending some serious dollar . i’m getting my 3000 soon can’t wait
Man that set looks wicked. Wish I could afford that. 😞
Anyways, thanks for the tip and keep up the great videos
this acc went hard
I feel like there is a simpler way to do this, I'm not trying to steal your thunder but I do a lot of data analytics and I won't sleep until I've put forward this theory...
The slower song multiplied by 1.33 should give you the right answer. Instead of dividing by three and then adding it to the original song bpm you're shortening the sequence from 2 steps to 1.
That makes sense to me tonight, I might change my mind in the morning.
This is literally the exact same thing lol
0.80+/- rule
Yes the maths is right I just don’t quite understand how a 3/2 loop would change things by a third??
@@danielgstohl9993 I know it's the same result, it's just a quicker way of getting it.
@@DJPhilHarris Me neither.
Very good, yet thats a double time transition because the 3/4 loop traduces to the same bpm as the new track. Try a surprise mix with a 3/4 polyrithm doing a 1 beat loop in a track and playing next a 33% faster track . Exemple: 90 bpm track -> 1 beat loop -> drop 120bpm track, the calculus is 90+(90/3)=120 or X+(X/3)=Z, X=song A bpm and Z= song B bpm. Keep it up! Realy like your videos.
You can override the bpm in rekordbox (or maybe change range hint).
if u round down to an even number the fractions are easier to work out
Such a clever transition, what tracks did you use?
I discovered this a few years ago but NEVER found a way to use it, I had to use manual loop in serato
Friendly reminder the plastic is still on your cdjs covering the “PIONEER DJ” logo at the back :)
It actually isn’t. There is no plastic covering. It just looks like it because of random reflections
@@DJPhilHarris oh my bad 🤣 Loving the videos on the new setup btw!
Cool
Wheres the djm s11
A few things really. I might make a quick video on it
@@DJPhilHarris cant wait!
Very nice
San Francisco hat nice
Which dj software do you think is the best
I have always used serato with controllers
can you do that on a cdj 2000 nexus?
the use of the term polyrhythmic is incorrect from a theory standpoint
can I ask how. I'm genuinely curious
It’s hemiola and then regular
man the fact that you have cdj's makes your videos apply to my setup so much more and I feel like there's so much more stuff that I can learn from you. thanks!
Phil is saying he doesnt know why three quarters works as well. Just to confirm 3/4 and 3/2 are the beat divisions he uses.
Yes that's what he said. He also said that he isn't good at math. So he doesn't understand that 3/2 is 2x 3/4 so of course it works at half time.
I think the most important question is how do you find using the CDJ3000’s? 😎🎧👍🏻
This can be done with any controller and/or software including Serato. I actually used to do it with Serato Scratch live and it’s simple. Don’t bust your heads with the math.
1- DON’T USE THE AUTO LOOP FEATURE!!
2-Find a track, that in the break has a vocal, synth or whatever sound that you feel that would work for you. Let call this track A
3- Take a track or genre that you wish to mix into. Be it drum n bass, jungle, trap or whichever you want to mix into. Let’s call this track B
4- Play the track A. Play it in at a bpm in which you would play it during your set. When you get to the sound that you want to loop for the transition, Set the loop in and out manually.
5- Now make a loop in track B.
6- Track A play the loop and edit the loop out. Shorten the loop until it matches rhythmically to Track B
7- Save the loop that you created on Track A for you to use it whenever you’d like to do that transition. Then layer the next track over it.
Play with it, it might take a few tries. But when you get it right you find that it’s easy. You can use the same technique to go from example techno to hip hop.
Plz play dj on disk dj 3d app on your ios phone.
or you could just multiple by 1.33 which is 1 plus a 3rd.
possible multipliers
.33
.5
.75
.67
1 (most popular :)
1.33
1.5
1.67
1.75
2
WHOS YOUR FAVOURITE DJ PHIL?
Hmmmmm. Very difficult. I am more of a music fan than a technical dj fan so my favourite would be a music producer. That changes every two seconds. Listening to a lot of tech house at the moment, like fisher
Hey Phil, can you share what cameras you use for your videos?
Yeah, canons mark 3 and 1dx
@@DJPhilHarris Thanks!
that was rude ending :( jk jk amazing vid again, learn alot
I'm sure this guy was inspired by James Zabilea?
How you loving the new set up?
wish i could afford that set up :(
it's kind of similar to mixing 4/4 time with 3/4.
2:51 ooff that didn't age well 😂
technically that was more sampling than transition but a neat trick
It’s actually 170.5 :) and 128
no more s11? :(
Watch my new vid
Basically it works because 124 x 3/2= 186 so put a 3/2 loop on a 124 BPM track the loop will play as a beat at 186 BPM if that makes sense 😂
It kinda does but not really. I’m so thick
Got the new CDJ 3000, Got new Swag
Phil What do you do with all the info i gave you about me to win something? dj discOworm
you should've given an example with mixing two beats together, just to show us how terrifying it is.
3/2 is double 3/4.. you're working with halves and doubles... just going a long way about it...
Does anybody have the track ids?
You have 900 nxs, I though you bought s11.
Thizzle
8th viewer
Thats the 0.80 rule +/-
2:16 haha yes yes gen z is waaaaaaaaay to sensitive
where's the "Einstein" in the transition? lol