Destruction of Daemon Targaryen | How and Why Ryan Condal and Sara Hess Did It | House of the Dragon
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- A look at how and why Ryan Condal and Sara Hess ruined Daemon in Season 2 of House of the Dragon. It's a departure from George RR Martin's Daemon Targaryen in Fire and Blood.
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Season 2 really felt like the writers didn't understand why Daemon was such a fan favorite and went out of their way to neuter him in the adaptation
Condal trying to take the crown from Benioff and Weiss in their behind the scenes commentary. I haven't watched any of them this season, so I didn't know he said that. They really did Daemon wrong.
„In the episode” commentary is the worst thing, why do they even do that? If you’re a good writer, it’s not needed. Just let the viewers have their own interpretation and let people discuss instead of giving us the answers, even Martin doesn’t do that and only he has a right to do that.
Looks like Condal and Hess have learned nothing from D&D before them. They think they know better than GRRM and are starting to do their own thing. Such a shame. Why the hell can't we get a mostly faithful adaptation of great stories anymore?
Daemon has children with Rhaenyra and his daughter from his marriage to Laena is engaged to Jace, but Condal thinks he'd "take the throne and see what happens?" And the throne from who? Aegon and Rhaenyra? Daemon is going to fight everyone on his own? lol
At least Dan and Dave would deliver their commentary with dead looks on their faces, that made it seem as if they had checked out. Ryan is smiling and thinking it sounds clever that Daemon would take the throne....and just see what happens.
@@reelworld1It's because Condal and Hess genuinely believe they are being clever with this, that they're "subverting expectations" or some bs like that
You think he wouldn't lol? Daemon was happy with Rhaenyra when they were equals and she was bearing his kids but now he's in a position where one of them is going to become the regent and the other the consort, he loves her but this is Daemon if one of them is going to be in charge he wants it to be him, just like he loved Viserys but when his brother became king he couldn't handle it because to him by all the laws of Valyrian culture he should the head of the family he's older, he has a bigger dragon, he wields Dark sister, and has been to war where as Rhaenyra just has the stale oaths of some Andal lords. Plus if Rhaenyra is regent that means Jace is the heir you think Daemon wants a strong bastard on the throne over his own son?
And it's not like he's being that unrealistic if he is the one to kill Aegon and Aemond and takes the throne for himself chances are everyone will fall in line and in Daemons mind Rhaenyra will respect this and for avenging her father she will take her place as his loyal wife and then their pure valyrian offspring will inherit the throne. That is basically everything Daemon has ever wanted and if he plays his cards right he could get it all of course he's considering it lmao. Did you guys not watch the show?
@@moe5020 Daemon is younger than Viserys....
@@ΚατερίναΤσιτσιμπίκου I was talking about Rhaenyra...
Also it doesn't matter with Viserys by Valyrian standards he should still be in charge because he's the stronger son. He has second son syndrome from being forced to comply with Andal customs.
Looking over the series thus far, there's no denying that it is severely suffering from the loss of Miguel Sapochnik.
And Sara Hess, as a writer, is adding insult to injury.
They need to do a serious overhaul before starting Season 3. And it needs to start with reining in or firing Hess.
I agree with everything you said. The changes to season 2 were horrendous. Bring Miguel back ASAP!!!
Unfortunately it appears as if Condal is behind these choices. It's how she went from writer in Season 1 to executive producer this season.
@reelworld1 Ugh. That leaves no room for optimism.
@@reelworld1oh no!!!! The actors themselves are beyond phenomenal but some of the changes don’t make sense. I’m incredibly disappointed.
My buddy asked if this was loyal to the source. I pretty much had to say, well they got the names right.
They didn’t get all the names right
season 1 was a bit book accurate but season 2 is way off
@@jcnom6606 yeah I was thinking the same thing
@@chiefchale7710season 1 kinda sucked also the once the time jump happened it was shit don’t care for adult rhaenyra actress and her stupid face when she stares angrily into the distance
I wonder if in the third season Daemon will again think about becoming a king and will repeat this journey to accept Rhenyra in the finale.
Daemon in the books plays Rhaenyra like a puppet, harvesting power by association to her. I think this is the path his character should choose.
If Condal and Hess have no haters, I’m gone. I’m so sick of writers pushing their own biases, narrow-minded opinions, and woke agendas. It’s funny how they strip Daemon of nuance but they have it in them to make rapist Aegon nuanced and sympathetic. Make it make sense. If you can do it for one, you can do it for the other.
It was a very heavyhanded turn too this season. Rhaenyra could only trust the women, Daemon wasdestroyed and Aemond is now one dimensional villain after they hinted at nuance last season with him regretting killing Lucerys. Even Corlys, in his final scene with Rhaenys, they have her sees his bastard son. And this after them building the two up as a good marriage in Season 1.
@@reelworld1I thought that moment with Corlys was weird too...
Aego becoming nuance this season was like the only thing I liked this season! They tried WAY TO HARD to make him the "bad guy" of season one. He had zero redeeming qualities. This season tried to back peddle a bit and it helped.
Aemond went from being a strate up badass psycho in the books to a complex character in season one. Then in 2 he became a straight up anime villian in a single breath.
Alicent... let's not even go there...
They hit us with the Daemon/Alyssa sex in the episode after Rook's Rest. That was the end for me in having any hope for the show, from such a high to a gross low. I'm just happy Condal and Hess didn't get the Aegon's Conquest series. The writer working on it did the Batman film and said he sees it like doing a film on Alexander the Great, so I have my fingers crossed 🤞
My fear is that at this rate HotD's ratings will drop and they won't do the Conquest. That's the spinoff I most wanted to see too.
Dw the writers for that series will also ruin the conquest with their egos.
I hope the writer has enough integrity to not bend to the pressure of injecting the story/show with "the message"
Please don’t remind me of that scene. I’m trying to eat. 🤢
Back in S1 I took issue with Daemon murdering his wife and was met with comment after comment that Daemon was a misogynist and a killer so of course killing his first wife and choking the second made sense. Someone can be cruel and a misogynist but still loyal to their family. All because Daemon had contempt for his first wife doesn't mean he caved her head in.
This was the first blow for me too. This was a show invention and I'm sick and tired of the unreliable source argument. In the books he's in the Stepstones when it happens and his wife lingered for a week before dying, there's no way she wouldn't name him the culprit, but no, they had to depict him as a wife killer and an abuser. Being unfaithful and womanizing is not the same with abusing your spouse, and when I read the book I never thought of Daemon as a misogynist, more like philanderer and lustful. I'm pretty sure they're going to screw God's Eye too...
The other problem with having him choke Rhaenyra is that in the past he had proven to always be deferential to her. He gave up the egg on the bridge and Dragonstone, and immediately accepted her as queen. And as you said, he was always loyal to his family.
Nothing compared to what they did to Alicent Hightowers character. This show wont make it to a fourth season if they dont get rid of Condal and Hess.
I know. I went over that mess in my review of the finale. Having her give up her whole family for Rhaenyra and then asking her to run away with her was terrible Twitter level fan fiction.
Show Alicent is just sara hess's self insert to feed Rhaenicent shippers on TikTok and X for their toxic yuri edits🤷♂️
@@gopalkrishnan3196 Correct
@@reelworld1 they've got the man himself GRRM on board ffs, why they couldn't just consult with him
@@fourth-dimensionalbeing9737 From what I've been able to gather from reading between the lines is that George was much more closely involved in Season 1 than in 2. He also trusted Ryan Condal with the the lore. When the primary work was being done on Season 2 he was busy writing scripts for The Knight of the Seven Kingdom's series. Then just before Season 2 aired George had a lengthy blog post criticizing adaptations that tried to "make it their own" and ruined the original story. At the time people thought he was talking about shows like The Rings of Power, but he was really warning us about Season 2.
It's like Hess and Condall went to the Rian Johnson school of writing. Daemon has essentially become the Jake Skywalker of HotD. If the visions had been about him reconciling his violent past and regrets for things he did and people he harmed. No mentions of wanting any throne. I would've gotten behind it. Just like I would've gotten behind Jake Skywalker losing so much faith in the Jedi, that he became a hermit. If done right. But for some reason they either don't know how to get them right, or they enjoy getting them wrong to destroy certain fan favourite characters. Hess's comments in season one got me so worried for Daemons portrayal. I'm worried, that even now, they'll pull a Rian Johnson style, "subverting expectations" and give his big moment to someone else. And rather than using the changes to the Nettles story line to help father and daughter bond. They'll find something more disturbing for him to do.
My only consolation in this, is that Rhaenyra was depicted badly as well. Although her bad depiction was unintentional. Trying to give us a girl boss and failing so hard, because they don't know how to depict a competent leader.
That's what so ironic about it all. They tried to make Rhaenyra perfect and peace loving, and it made her look weak and stupid in the face of what was going on. Look at the early seasons of Game of Thrones and how well defined the women were there, because they were showed as being as flawed as the men. You can understand Catelyn's desire for revenge over Bran, but her actions lead to even bigger problems when she kidnaps Tyrion. Here Lucerys is killed by Aemond and Rhaenyra is still seeking peace.
The "writers" kinda forgot that Daemon's key redeeming quality is loyalty to his family. (Yes, it's a D&D GoT S8 reference.)
I had no issues with S2 E1 and E2. Him having a fight with Rhaenyra over Blood and cheese is believable enough. But what follows is just nuts. You want us to believe that he abandones his wife and children to go on a guest AGAINST them for the Iron Throne? Which he could have taken from under Viserys while he was still the heir (for 10 years)?! And then the entire "power-hungry traitor Daemon" storyline gets aborted because... A witch told him to touch a tree.
And Rhaenyra just... Forgives him. At least according to the showrunners commentary on S2 E8. Emm... You had a giant fight. You said you couldn't trust him. Simon just told you he suspects treachery. And this is it???
What. The. F*ck.
I have read fanfics 10 times better than this.
This is borderline unrecoverable character assassination. The only one which consoder worse is Alicent.
Yeah, I really didn't see that one coming with Alicent at the end. I thought it was just going to be a repeat of their stupid meeting at King's Landing with her leaving like Rhaenyra did, but to give up her family like that was infuriating. And they even had her ask Rhaenyra to run away with her. It lost any semblance of being a story based on the Dance of the Dragons then.
Feed Sarah Hess to the Dragons and Put Ryan Condal in the black cells
Send both of them to the wall. Don't let them anywhere near the Kingdom of GOT.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
How can it be so hard to keep to a story when its all written for you already? I enjoyed season 1 Daemon - didnt like the mess of season 2.
because millions of dollars dont get sanctioned for a bunch of non binary actors to gimp around for making good entertainment, no, only good propaganda
I knew we were in trouble this season when they couldn't even adequately adapt the Blood and Cheese scene which is very vividly told in the books, and far superior to what we got. The TV version was Blood and Cheese Lite.
@@reelworld1Blood and cheese in hindsight was a clear indication that they don't understand these characters and that they were going to change them.
@@reelworld1to be fair I think blood and cheese in the books was to gruesome for HBO to do honestly in live action
@@Smilodon_ex We don't have to see the actual act itself, but the suspense of having Blood and Cheese tie up Alicent and wait for Helaena should've been shown. And we should've also had the choice between Maelor and Jaehaerys.
Daemon "King of the Betas" Targaryen
They doing that on purpose but book daemon is true chad even season 1 daemon was good season 2 just nerf him to the ground
I cringed so bad during the “winter is coming” scene. Why did they turn Daemon into Tormund?? 😭😭
What's crazy too is that of all the people presented in Season 1, he's the one least likely to be swayed by any of this stuff, and now he's suddenly a true believer.
Nothing good can be created in this modern era.
fr, they always run it into the ground someway or another. Its not even flanderization anymore, straight up character assassination to aid an agenda
Daemon went from GOAT status from a single battle sequence slicing up more men than Darth Vader did in a hallway and Qimir / The Stranger did in a forest into becoming Theon Greyjoy aka Reek in Season 2. I just finished watching S2 of Game of Thrones, and Theon was already pretty pathetic before Ramsay Bolton turned him into Reek. Theon tried acting tough only to look pathetic.
Daemon is supposed to be the most dangerous man in Westeros during this time. In the book, Aemond said his uncle was the only one to fear, not his older half-sis. But in S2, we see him getting dunked on by a fat, old man, a witchy bastard, and a little kid. It’s so contrasting to who we saw from S1 slicing Vaemond’s head off to have his Will Smith’s “get my wife’s name out of your fucking mouth” moment. Peak badass Daemon was from 1x1 and 1x3. Then he falters like every cool character from Game of Thrones.
Remember how great Tyrion was from GOT S1-S4? I just watched the scene when he said a speech in the Battle of Blackwater to inspire the soldiers. Then what happened after S4? He became Dany’s worst hand. I saw maybe 15 minutes of badass Daemon so far…..
1x1 Slaughtering criminals as the commander of the City Watch and his jousting beating Gwayne Hightower but losing to Ser Crispin because he started to celebrate by turning around.
1x3 Last 10 minutes in the Stepstones killing 15-16 guys, only getting hit by two arrows, and then decapitating the Crabfeeder.
1x7 Blocking Criston to have Rhaenyra and Alicent settle it on their own.
1x8 Beheading Vaemond which lasted 3 secs.
In S2, Daemon is tripping balls. Having fantasies of banging his mother. Pouting. Crying. Saying he’s the king and Simon says the King…. consort. Getting punked by a character named after a Sesame Street character who lives in a trash can. I did find the Daemon and Simon interaction to be quite funny. They both added a comedic duo element to it. And then when Oscar became OSCAR the Grouch, I wanted to pat that kid on the back for schooling Daemon.
I really hope with the added scenes of Rhaenyra and Alicent meeting each other, the HBO showrunners can create a new scene between Daemon vs. Aemond and Criston. In the book, Daemon never interacts with Criston ever again. Their last interaction was in 1x7 in Driftmark. Wouldn’t it be cool if we see them fight with swords? And Daemon never interacts with Aemond until the Gods Eye. I want to see one sword fight between Daemon vs. those two.
Now if Daemon never does another badass thing ever again, he would still be at the top or near the top for me. And he seems to be on the most popular dragon in the show. Drogo’s biggest highlight was cutting that dude’s tongue. Oberyn was actually beating The Mountain but he still got killed by him. Of course, we know Daemon is going to have at least one more badass moment before he exits the story. His 1998 Michael Jordan shot. Not many characters have an ending as epic as Daemon’s in any lore.
GRRM loves Daemon so much, he really didn’t want to kill him and gave him a Houdini escape. Daemon didn’t lose an eye like Aemond or Lord Bloodraven. Didn’t lose a cock like Varys, Theon, and Aegon II. Didn’t lose a hand like Jaime. He committed war crimes but not as often as Daenerys. He died intact. Watching Jaime lose a hand, get kicked in the mud, and drink horse piss is just sad. This doesn’t happen to Daemon at all.
Maegor, Rhaenyra, Breakspear, and Daenerys all got shitty endings for a Targaryen. Daemon gets the GOAT ending.
I just hope they don’t screw up the battle above the Gods eye I want it exactly how it was said in the books please don’t screw that up always wanted see that in live action 😔
Yeah, you would think that it's pretty clear cut. But then that's been the case with other decisions too. I don't know why they changed Blood and Cheese.
@reelworld1
They could still screw up the God's Eye... B&C shows that even something plainly stated can be twisted.
Maybe daemon will superhero land on the waterr, break his legs, flow up a stream that doesn't exist and become the Night King...
"How? WHO CARES BECAUSE GOT!!!"
Maybe Aemond and Daemon will kiss as he says, "You were always my favorite uncle..." Idk 😂
@@kailanerman5090 Anything is possible now. They've already ruined the taking of King's Landing, which was Daemon's plan. Now Alicent is just idiotically going to allow Rhaenyra to take it, so it'll be anticlimactic too.
@@kailanerman5090erm ☝️🤓how do you know that Daemon didn't become the night king? After all, the maesters were sexists who didn't write anything objective according to ma kween Sara Hess
@vincentadultman6226 Who knows? Maybe Rhaenyra doesn't die at all, maybe she says, "I'm a queen," proceeds to T-pose and turn into Melisandra and says, "I don't need no kingdom, ima a fireboss!"
Then she proceeds to go to Essos and do whatever she wants for 150 years
The show runners they know that Deamon was the best character in season 1 ,he stole the whole show, and some of the writers specially Sarah Hess which she known for her hatred towards Deamon, so she decided to destroy his character this season,and make this season is All about woman and how good and peaceful they are 😂, fire and blood is a great story but it,s in the hand of stupid people (the writers)
Are Industry Awards more important than fan satisfaction ? We need to find a way to reward good productions so we can avoid DEI sabotaging everyrhing men create.
it's impossible, the writers will girl boss, gatekeep and slayy until all the men are flawed and meaningful and the women are caricatures of good that come off like idiots
It is obvious that the writers hate men. They have destroyed exciting, complex characters like Daemon Targaryen and reduced him to a cruel, delusional, idiot. I will not be back for Season 3 as I can only see more stupidity and irrational story lines in order to make Rhaenyra seem like she's some sort of victimized, lesbian heroine who did everything she could to avoid war. That is not the Rhaenyra from the books. I wanted to watch GRRM's extraordinary universe, not the ridiculous, nonsensical world of these brain-dead writers. What a shame, it really could have been great if they stuck as much as they could to the source material.
It's crazy too. The final blow was Alicent. She was the one woman that was written well. She was flawed and multifaceted. But in the finale you learn they only did all of that so she could see the error of her way having sided with "the evil men." Then they have her give up her whole family and ask Rhaenyra to run away with her. It was like a parody.
The scene of Daemon and his mother made me physically sick. They took a wonderful character and destroyed it. They just want this to be a weird Rhaenyra X Alicent fanfiction, and im TIRED of it. I've read better stories on AO3.
Magnificent Video *chefs kiss*
Regardless if you like Daemon or not he’s a badass. He has a background of war and the love for his family. She didn’t read the books
Daemon spent six episodes having visions that showed his guilt for his actions opposed to his power hunger, while he slowly came to the realization that the throne might be a burden
Only to be told "oh there are the ice zombies, support rhaenyra my dude"
Like what
oh no, Daemon is going down the same "Ma Kween" path as John Snow isn't he?
Matt Smith is awesome.
Great video. Right on 🎯
I get being confused as to why people would consider Daemon boyfriend material; after his actions in the S1 Finale of Rings of Power, it really bothers me how many people on Twitter STILL think Sauron would be a good match for Galadriel and that the show is actively working towards them being romantically involved. But As we've seen in the trailers, Sauron still very much has his agency, and he's really leaning into the villainy and having some fun at the same time. Daemon, as you said, lost all his agency and humor after one night in a bed made of weirwood.
Daemon is a stereotypical bad boy, Sauron is an unrepentant lieutenant of the literal devil, and older than creation itself.
There is no way in hell that Sauron or Galadriel would have anything but mutual suspicious and distrust between them
2024 you can’t have great white male character being shown as a badass even though season 1 they did do good then honestly nerf him in season 2 heavily
Because they have cut the other character meant to make his true arc happen, so instead he wastes his time in harrenhall with Alys, who in the book charms and whatever else didn’t work on him , if he ever met her at all. He claimed harrenhall easily and was not sway by this mess. Now the war has just begun and he’s already lost all ambition and will just follow whatever to make the stupid prophecy, when in the book it’s not until he’s in maidenpool hunting vhagar with nettles that a terrible action by rhaenyra drives him to lose all ambition, becomes a better man and finishes his arc. With cutting this character and sara and Ryan trying to make it up, we get stuck with their poorly quality writing instead of GRRM actual story
Yes, cutting out Nettles is inexcusable in itself, and completely alters his character even aside from the mess we were given this season.
Great analysis. You been many likes 👍👍👍👍
Hotd is kind of baffling. Sometimes the writing is great and other times you wonder if the writers are morons.
The writing for the Greens I thought was much better than the Blacks this season. The Aegon scenes were some of the best moments. Otto, the little we saw of him was excellent. Early season Alicent was fine too before they completely assassinated her character in the finale.
Ryan & Sara kinda forgot about the iron fleet & Daemons character arc
I hate when they describe GRRM's characters as 'grey'. They're not. There's an emergence to their actions and behaviors, one that he traces to their biology, psychology and life experiences. It is also what makes his world infinitely interesting and feels 'historic' - the drama emerges out of the characters, but they pursue life in a structure set by the world. Even in the beginning, there's a heavy weight of the recent past.
Great video, finally someone said it.
I put "Sara Hess" as a search term in TH-cam to see if other people had similar ideas about which writer(s) + director(s) ruined season 2. So many great artists and craftsmen worked their butts off to make this universe come to life, and all these efforts ruined by a few hacks. And don't get me started on the laughable Shakespeare rip-off...
I feel that Daemon was toned down and almost redeemed ... because they needed to make the Black side look better.
This is in complete contradiction to the core of his character and really sucks. He's like a Bojack Horseman or a Walter White to me. Complete and utter @$$hole but we're invested in his story anyway lol. He didn't need to be toned down or redeemed, he's supposed to be a jerk.
In the book he evolves a bit after Rhaenyra goes off the rails as Queen, but that is largely due to Nettles influence and Daemon defying Rhaenyra toward the end of the story.
I think the disturbing part was people loving Daemon romantically. Somehow they forget his abusive nature because "oh he's so passionate and masculine" or something.
Seems to me that there's a huge portion of the population with daddy issues...
Don't forgot he stoned his first wife and people still say that he was justified because she was abuser
That's exactly what it is. Women with Daddy issues. Their morals and expectations are twisted beyond repair. It could be several generations until broadly speaking, women are mentally healthy again
I mean, they had already destroyed him in season 1
They definitely planted the seeds with him killing his wife, and then out of nowhere having him grab Rhaenyra's throat, but most viewers overlooked those things at the time. This season though they completely tossed the book version away. Now we won't get Nettles, and he doesn't even get credit for the taking of King's Landing with the horrible plot of Alicent giving up her family.
I don’t like Daemon, but I hate what they did to his character. While I hated him, he was so damned entertaining to watch in season one. He was almost a 1:1 of book Daemon. Condal and Hess ruined him. There’s no going back from their brain-dead writing choices in season three.
Yes, also any evolution Daemon does toward becoming a different person is largely due to Nettles, who was written out of the show. So that arc is gone. They couldn't even give him the King's Landing victory from the book, but stupidly have Alicent just hand it to Rhaenyra.
Well they needed to pad out the story with a bunch of extra BS so they could turn one big battle & three minor events from the novel into an entire season.
Personally I really enjoyed the portrayal of Damon in season 2, but am very worried if they aren’t going to include nettles as a character as I was really excited to see that relationship
I don’t agree with your analysis on Damon’s lack of agency and contrived conflict with rhanyra but I do think the inclusion white walkers and final dream sequence was shlock
Daemon wasn't great in S1 either 💀
If you read the books you'd know Daemon disappears for a while, so he thankful we got him on screen.
You mistake intent. Daemon is not ruined. His scenes in Harrenhall were part of his redemption arc. He needed to confront his selfish desires vs his part to protect his family legacy. He needed to confront the fact that everytime when things get too tense or emotional he runs away. We have seen him do this repeatedly. In episode 7, he realised that though he desires the throne, he does not want the responsibility of sitting the throne because he is all about fighting and glory (Robert Baratheon is an example of this through his drinking and whoring even going on hunts every so often because he got depressed sitting the throne). So when Viserys asks him if he still wants the throne, Daemon answers sincerely and says no. So obviously, since he was not a Green fan, his army would fall under Rhaenyra since he said he no longer wants to rule and those visions just amplified the part he has to play in the overall narrative to get his blood line to succeed. His loyalty was always to his family and so he would've pledged the army to Rhaenyra anyway even if he didn't have visions. The scene with him and that small council member were intently written so that Simon would misinterpret the conversation for potential treason being committed. So Daemon's loyalty would never waiver. He has a tendency of being tempted but all goes back to his loyalty to his family that is why after he won and was named "King" he went back to his brother and gave him that throne as a gift instead. So he would've done the same to Rhaenyra even without those vision. So he is not ruined at all. Just his scenes in Silent hill dragged but it is understandable given the financial troubles HBO is facing and the decision by Discovery to cut costs. There simply was no money to film more action stuff because originally Daemon was intended to take Harrenhall by force and would get injured hence his dreams but execs ordered that changed and that is why Episode 9 The Fall of KL and the season finale Episode 10 The Battle of The Gullet were cut because the season was originally intended for 10 episodes and cut to 8, and with writer's strike, writers could not adjust the normal build up episode Into proper finale. So the odds were against them from the start.
Daemon's biggest moment in Dance of the dragon is Fall of kings landing. he tricked both aemond and cole, sneek past them joined hands with Rhaenyra and dragonseeds,took kingslanding with the help of Gold cloaks without bloodshed within in a day for his wife. This is such a iconic moment in entire Fire and blood,and huge tactical victory for Rhaenyra and black. now the show changes it and try to give this moment to that useless alicent.she opened the gate so Rharnyra takes the throne. why the writers constantly undermine his agency or try to steal his iconic moment for some other characters. IN F&B Daemon was rhaenyra/blacks biggest strength until his death.now just compare the show, he is just damn infantry man thats it. my friends(not book readers) are making fun of me,because i told them daemon is a key man and big assert to Rhaenyra before this season. now they think daemon is just a useless for blacks and Rhaenyra is powerful even without him. they even think Mysaria and messy girls are blacks biggest strength😭 thats the opinion of casual non book readers views on daemon. I am sure Martin will never going to praise show Daemon as he was better than my daemon from F&B.
@@gopalkrishnan3196 Yes, in the book when the gold cloaks saw Daemon on Caraxes they turned against the Greens. Here Alicent is intentionally offering up her entire family (aside from Helaena) and opening the gates, which the real Alicent would never do. She was instrumental in trying to defend Kings Landing. The taking of KL was one of the moments I was most looking forward to see, with all the dragons descending on the city, but now it's nothing and they even stupidly spoiled the taking of it in the finale.
@@reelworld1 I do not think you unnderstand the anger I have for them ruining the kingslanding moment and giving it alicent.
@@zenadaraghmi7863 I share your anger on the ruining of the KL moment. It's Daemon's big victory which they snatched away for a nonsensical character turn by Alicent. Also, separately, it's terrible story telling to give away such a huge Season 3 moment. The let everyone know that the taking of KL will not only happen, but it will be easily attained. They're just extremely bad at this.
You're crazy if you think this is character destruction. This is character development. I don't think you understand Daemons character one bit.
seriously bro , cover all the bullshit in name of character development , what development exactly happened ?
@@marcosurvivalist7266 He finally has become Rhae Rhae's feminist husband. What more do you want?
@@TensaSangetsu1254 Someone pays attention, thank you. Daemon was humbled this season and it was one of the best parts of the season. Seeing Harenhaal as an actual mystical place instead of just a random castle was also a highlight. GoT stayed away from the fantasy when it could and never allowed for the location of the Gods Eye and Isle of Faces to have any relevance.
@@extraplain2412 I think they where being sarcastic, not actually agreeing with you, idk.
Daemon was already in Rhaenyra's side, he crowned her after struggling an entire season with Viserys's choice. Not to mention that they have children together, and Baela is engaged with Jace, it doesn't make sense that he contemplated treason against his family when they had shown us Damon had accepted her as Queen in the S1 finale.They could've added the mystical factor without having to go over this struggle for a second time.
I immediately tuned out when he said that Daemon having dream sex with his mom was out of character lol.
I feel like asoiaf tourists want Daemon to be the "rogue prince" but only if it's in a badass anime edgelord type way where they can route for him they don't want him to have geniunely disturbing moments that make him hard to route for or any moments where he's vulnerable and pathetic. It the same with Aemond the targaryens aren't meant to be badass they are supposed to be freaky weirdo's lol