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I think Master Indara accidently killed all the witches, it looked like she felt them die and was shocked. She was the most careful and still ended killing everyone, I think that's why she was more inclined to lie to the council since she was hiding the guilt from everyone, they all ended with alot of guilt and Calnaka ended with going mad from the effects of Master Indara interrupting the ritual.
The "sacrifice" thing was a misunderstanding by Mae of what their mother told them in episode 3 about having to sacrifice material things for the greater good.
Was it though, I’m getting the feeling the girls were batteries, they make these kids and then absorb them or go into them for their connection to the force for longer life spans and closer connections to the force. They told the girls they’d be the leaders and Indara says you are kids, how can you lead, well lead from inside the mother or the mother inside one of them once absorbed maybe?
@@Manx36 Yeah, the interaction between Mother Aniseya and the other witches, where they are saying that she is sacrificing the coven's future by letting Osha go gave me a similar feeling. The other witches seemed very upset/worried about Osha leaving as if it was more than "this girl will be our future leader"...
He can’t sense their differences cuz they are one consciousness in two bodies. Thats why he couldn’t tell on the ship, that’s why Qimir couldn’t tell in the shop that it was Osha. The only ones that could tell them apart was their mothers. Sol even called Mae “osha” when she came running in about the fire!
@@JS-td8yp He didn’t seem to at first. He only seemed to realise when he got a bit the closer to her. He probably noticed the mark on the head was gone
@@CarlWheatley-wi2cl I mean, I think it's mid, but it's fine. Let people like what they like. Constructive and well articulated criticism is good, but just calling it garbage won't help the people making it know _why_ it's garbage.
@@CarlWheatley-wi2clat least they are explaing the mixup by it being one consciousness in 2 bodies. Is it odd he couldn't sense it from what we've seen before? Sure, but at least there is an intention behind it besides "whoops, he wasn't smart enough to see it"
@@bajes328 You can't explain to them why it's garbage. They don't understand what good writing is and what bad writing is. I've given up "explaining" because they DON'T understand. I agree, people will like what they like, me included. Fortunately, there's not enough people who like objective garbage for it to be viable.
@@CarlWheatley-wi2clCalling them idiots or the show trash serves nothing but venting your emotions if you're not communicating anything. It can't, even. It's just damaging your mental health at that point.
What I loved the most about episodes 3 and 7 is how they show neither the Jedi nor the witches were innocent, and that like sadly too many real life conflicts it was born out of prejudices and misunderstandings.
Really? The Jedi had no jurisdiction, yet broke into the covens’ home multiple times. I think whatever the coven did to the Jedi was earned. EDIT: *and* went against Indara’s + the council’s orders. FFS
@@MrPossum077 Equating the coven with the dark side, as if they are just another type of sith, seems to be misplaced. I do not at all see the point as being that the dark side is misunderstood... rather, it is telling the all too real story of how misunderstandings among different groups that are suspicious of each other can lead to terrible things.
I think Aniseya was trying to escape with Mae. Definitely a defensive move that Sol misinterpreted as aggressive. I also think Korril actually fled with that power, and didn't possess Kelnacca. I think that was the rest of the coven.
Yeah it seemed to be whatever the Star Wars witch version of Misty Step is, and because Jedi are taught to be so wary and suspicious of other Force users, Sol assumed the worst (even though they had literally broken into these people's homes). This along with Mother Korril's escalation lead to all that death. Its tragic. I do like that the Council, and Indara, had the right read, just leave people alone!
@@mysteriouslunar9779she could have just said hey I’m letting her go instead of going dust mode. Her fault for doing the dumb move. And she was straight up evil in the prior scene when in the kids mind.
@@MrPossum077 are you forgetting the part where the jedi broke in their houses armed wanting to kidnap their children? it's literally written out on the comment you are replying to, the reason why "she could have just said hey I’m letting her go instead of going dust mode" is because both sides were about to start fighting and words failed
Idk if it was intentional but I noticed how when Kelnaca was possessed, he was fighting with his saber but not in an elegant or efficient way. Large sweeping strikes and hits filled with anger like an angry witch who’s used to fighting with a metal stick would do.
That doesn't mean anything when we haven't seen Kelnaca fight before being possessed lol. His fighting was on par with 70% of sequel era saber fights lol
Fear was the enemy here. Everyone acted of their worst fear and it ended up in disaster. Mother Anaseya and Master Indara were the rational ones here, sadly they didn't listen to them.... 😢 To the people who lack basic Media Literacy: As we see, the witches can travel as a smoke too or what I like to call "Forcemoke" (I'm not good with names). It's safe to say Mother Aneseya was basically trying to take Mae away and possibly save Osha with the ability before Sol reacted. Master Indira warned Sol multiple times about interfering but he did. Trying to cover up what happened is for Osha's benefit because telling a child, hey we have to kill your mom and coven because we messed up is a lovely thing to do or deliver a child.
lol what. Black lady turns into a mist and is turning daughter to mist out of no where. Good guy tries to save child then out of no where she says oh I was going to let her go. So dumb. Then trinity says oh let’s just lie for no reason at all. Pull your head out
@jackiecarson859 Yes, that is what I usually see when I watch Star Wars. These Jedis are extremely emotional and undisciplined. But they have to be the bad guys.
How was the mother rational when she started into a smoke monster?? Also, how was Indara rational when she decided to hide the details to the event??? They didn't really need to hind anything... they didn't do that much wrong and everything was done because they wanted to protect the children anyway.
} Mae MISS-quoted Mother Aniseya, she did NOT say anything about sacrificing people at all, she was talking about letting go of wants and moving past fear, to let t go of fear, that was she meant by "sacrifice". } The fire spread through the 100+ year old wiring in the walls all the way to the old power generator room and the old equipment exploded } Torbin made A LOT of mistakes and misjudgements based on his own fear and mistrust } Sol made A LOT of assumptions with little evidence, and he acted out of emotions, acted out of fear } They were told NO by the Jedi council, they were all supposed to leave, they should of let it go and should have LEFT } Aniseya turned into "shadow" to teleport her and Mae to a safe place, Sol assumed it was an attack and reacted, but striking with his saber was an over-reaction on his part ) Mother Korril acted out of fear, anger and mistrust of the Jedi, she needlessly escalated things in several ways. } Indara severed the connection the witches has to Kelnacca to mind puppet him, but severing that connection killed them unintentionally she didn't know that would happen. Ever see The Matrix? It's like abruptly unplugging 50 people from the Matrix, which results in death
Thanks, I was about to write this same things as an answer to someone who asked 12 questions! 😁 Not many people know how to read subtext and between the lines, everyone wants everything spoon-fed. I've seen this happen with so many other franchises and movies etc.
The amount of people blaming Sol for killing Anaseya is crazy to me. If you're standing off and a fight could break out at any moment and one of your potential enemies turns into an evil looking smoke monster and is seemingly disintegrating a child wouldn't you stab her too? I sure as hell would. 😂 The Jedi made a shit ton of mistakes over the course of this show so far, but this wasn't one of them.
The Instict of Jedi should never be reacting with agression first. It dosnt matter with it is a evil loking amoke cloud, if you dont know what it is you should not kill it just becouse you fellt afraid or dont wanderstod it. And thats way we should blame Soul, because he reactied with fear and agression to something he dident know
@@DanielGarofalo100 First, you need to work on your grammar; it's all over the place. He wasn't reacting with aggression; he believed "Osha" was in danger at the moment because she turned into a smoke demon, and "Osha" began to evaporate. That's sufficient to assume she was in danger. Jedi don't just stand by and let others come to harm. The witch should've diffused the situation and explained that Osha was also free to go instead of gaslighting an already tense situation.
@@BrandonMcNeil2110 first of all I'm giving you the courtesy of speaking to you in a language you understand. I could just reply in my own native one and don't even care for you, but since probably english is the only language you speak I'm being nice enough inspite of my grammar "being all over the place" Second of all so Sol reacted without knowledge of the situation, he absolutely didn't know what the smoke would do, he assumed was bad, because he had preconseved all the wicthes abilities wore bad, she could easily be just teleporting everyone from the coven away and therefore descalating the conflict as you sad (like Jedi do with force pushes a non lethal techinique) But because Sol was inbalanced and reacted with fear and preconceved notions of evil he made a mistake. It doesn't mean he is evil or a bad person, Jedi are flawed, and he and his team were very flawed in the mission. Always escalating the conflict, always acting with preconceved notions insted of trying to truly understand how the magic of the witches worked
@@smartguy6895 The disaster occurred because there was a group of raiders called the Nihil that carried out their activities using unconventional hyperspace routes. One of their ships collided with a vessel carrying about 10,000 passengers and send debris at lightspeed throughout the galaxy. Some debris was prevented from colliding with planets and ships but some hit other worlds and damaged them severely.
Thanks to Eric, Rick, Calvin and Aaron! 🌑 The "we must be sacrificed" misquote little 'Mae' relayed to 'Indara' and 'Sol' had a huge impact. They literally thought the girls were in mortal danger. 'Aniseya' actually said, "It is about sacrificing a *part* of ourselves". 🔸 It's also wild to learn that 'Sol' was imposing his own wants (to have a Padawan... even though he might not be ready) onto the situation. He even almost lost his temper on 'Indara' at the end. That shows a very un-Jedi-like conflict that adds to his motivations.
I did wonder if Osha was unintentionally manipulating or over enhancing Sol’s feelings, because she was so desperate to get away from her sister etc. That he wasn’t fully to blame for his weird reactions to the girls. However I think I am giving the show way too much credit for a nuanced explanation, when it is likely just more really poor writing like the rest of the show.
It’s a mirror to qui gon’s arc in the prequels. An emotional headstrong Jedi who doesn’t follow the rules and makes the choice to take on an overpowered too old padawn against everyone else’s wishes
@@bigeent.5160 I see that similarity, but I disagree with the motivations. 'Sol' seems more selfish; 'Qui-Gon' seems more rational. The difference is what makes revisiting the dynamic particularly interesting.
I don't know if the coven died once the connection was severed. They could've just been knocked out. That said, they would probably then die in the fire.
@duman173 using their magic, all of them possess a living being to attack the Jedi. Severing that one connection kills all of them. That's a bit silly. Maybe not all of them should've tried possessing someone. Then the whole fire thing was silly. Burning her sister alive, a mountain of rock catching completely on fire. Just strange
@@Crabman141 how do you know the magic they were doing doesn't make it so if the link is interrupted without them being the ones to do it causes them to go brain dead, you know nothing about the magic , what you know is what you were shown. As for the fire they literally showed it was an accident she wanted to destroy her sisters notebook and things got out of control, are you gona argue a child making irrational decisions in a stressful moments where she sees fighting her sister as the only way to "protect" her because of her education and is using the rage of her abandoning her willingly to fuel it wouldn't be prone to doing irrational decisions? 10 seconds of media literacy should have gotten you there
I’m glad that the Jedi weren’t solely at fault here. Both the Jedi and the witches were at fault. I also like that Sol is this deeply flawed character who is still trying to do the right thing, at least that’s how I read him
Same! He’s multi-dimensional, I love flawed heroes. He had regret when the mother died, you could see it, he just allowed himself to be guided by fear. Which is some tasty drama
@@leojs5673not necessarily calling him a hero. A tragic hero is used in books all the time. Basically just means the main character while having “good” ideals and intentions. Is inherently flawed.
Easiest explanation for the life: Planet was not uninhabitable, but SOMEONE put it in records as such, using the Accident as a cover... And then that SOMEONE gave the witches the advice to go there. Aaaand... Maybe said SOMEONE alerted the Jedi to the planet being mysteriously full of life?
Honestly the song at the end threw me off a bit. Even though it's made for the show, it's weird to hear a song like that in Star Wars. For once the council made a sane decision. They should've never interfered with the witches. I think Sol was too enveloped in his own feelings, more than what Osha needed.
Sol and his decisions/emotions really remind me of qui gon. Even down to taking in osha against everyone’s warnings and following his feelings rather than the code and rules of the Jedi. Qui gon did the same thing with anakin knowing everything he knew he still chose anakin and we know where that lead. Ik it doesn’t account for a lot but it’s interesting to think if qui gon had just left anakin alone none of what happened would’ve happened. Same could be said for sol. In the words of George Lucas, Star Wars is like poetry…it rhymes. Anyone upset with the decisions by the Jedi or their rashness throughout this series clearly haven’t been paying attention. It’s been said many times that they are an over correction. Not perfect in any sense and are partly responsible for their downfall. There’s a reason Luke made the choice he did
Aaron I don’t think Osha and Mae are the Vergeance, they were created out of the Vergeance, by the power of the Force (or the Thread in this case). One consciousness, one child split in two, hence why Sol keeps confusing them
In the same interview, she also confirmed Sol confused Mae for Osha because Sol didn’t know the difference. He was fooled twice now. While Qimir always knew when it was Osha. It’s supposed to be a sign that he is meant to be her master, not Sol.
I think it's funny how people literally wait for these to drop just so they can remind everyone that they hate something I'm convinced these people only live to be angry
Or, ya know, we love Star Wars and hate seeing it blatantly get used for trash TV? We don't "live to be angry." We live to see Star Wars used properly.
In the end it was everyone’s fault Sol for getting too paranoid about a limited view of events he saw Indara for being a bit too cold towards Torbin Torbin for being too impetuous and impatient Koril for being too violent and hateful Aniseya for being too lenient and allowing Mae to grow too dark, and pushing Torbin too far The only ones not at fault were tragically Mae and Osha. (And arguably Kelnacca)
Disagree a bit. Mae did started a fire (that she lost control over it) and Kelnacca should have shielded his mind after what happened to Torbin. But yeah i mostly agree, that was a series of epic fuck ups.
@@GattsBerserkArmor I didn’t think about that for Kelnacca, but Mae I was trying not to blame because Koril has been encouraging her dark side and even in this episode was smacking her around to get her angry enough to try to stop Osha from leaving
The Jedi lost their way when they became the peacekeepers for the Republic. The Republic should supply their own peacekeepers. The Jedi should've been left alone, friends of the Republic, allies most definitely, but their service to the Republic is how the Sith killed them. I can't blame Sol for striking down the mother. It definitely looked like she was attacking or doing something to the child. Definitely don't use darkside powers as a surprise next to a Jedi, that can't go well in any way it plays out.
I have a question, could you help me out here? If Torbin was a padawan and felt so guilty for what happened on Brendok, how could he become a Jedi? I mean he took his life because of this, wouldn't the Council feel that guilt and prevent him from becoming a Jedi?
Seeing some of the comments already bashing and insulting the child actor playing the twins is truly disappointing, that even exists in this community is sad enough much less about star wars with its history of fandoms bashing actors
@@theuglyswiss6532look bro, I hate this show with my heart, but going after the actors, SPECIALLY kids, that’s a nono. Let’s be respectful and criticize only the show itself
@@theuglyswiss6532you need to watch more TV shows and so that means you need to bully children what the fuck is wrong with you like genuinely do you feel good about that?
I really hope there’s some kind of novel/extra media that delves more into Sol because there’s clearly some kind of further background that needs to be explored (why he’s so much more emotional than other Jedi) which I don’t think we’ll have time for in the final episode.
All of that would've been avoided if Master Indara went alone as she insisted and ask for a private audience with Mother Anaseya. She can ask exactly what they intend to do with the children (considering this is Disney Star Wars, most likely not thrown into that big hole). Then all will be well, except for Sol who will need to find his Padawan elsewhere.
The force itself created Anny in response to Plagueis trying to create a Dark being with force manipulation. In that context this entire show is actually bunch of bullshit. The force will never allow anyone to manipulate with it without repercussions. Atleast it would have been good if the writing was decent.
My theory is that Mother Koril is alive, she saved Mae, and is now plotting her revenge behind the scenes either with a new coven or alongside the Sith. In this episode when Mother Aniseya and Mae began to dissipate it was to save Osha and get to safety. Unfortunately, Sol didn’t understand this and thought something evil was at play. Therefore, I think when we witness Koril fully dissolve she is able to physically get away. I don’t believe she dissolved in order to take over Kelneca’s consciousness because we quickly see that the other witches have collectively possessed Kelneca without the need to dissolve their physical bodies.
I really enjoyed this episode. Seeing the other side of that night, seeing all the mistakes that led to this nightmare… my heart broke for Torbin, Mae, Osha… I can’t wait to see the finale.
Torbin killing himself over guilt for when he barely did anything wrong other than rushing off alone is so ridiculous. Sure a lot of people died that night but he didn't kill anyone or hurt anyone, so he just kills himself years later because of the guilt of what happened? That's really dumb lol
@@Stygiophobic … that’s how guilt works. And even though it was dumb for you it was profound for him. His actions, along with others, led to many deaths. That’s enough to cause most people to go into a deep depression riddled with guilt.
@@Stygiophobicnot to mention the cover up and blaming everything on Mae. I’m sure the culmination ate at his mental health over time which is why he took the vow
@Stygiophobic This is why I dislike people spouting opinions. They never use media literary, storytelling comprehension, or critical thinking. They just see a character make a decision and think “Hey, if I were that character in that position, I would not have made that decision! This is so stupid.” Instead of thinking “Hmm, why would this character make that decision?” Literally 100 different people can be put through the exact same horrible experience, and they will all make different choices, and take from the experience wildly different things. It’s not about what YOU would do. No one cares that you wouldn’t feel guilt at inciting the circumstances that led to 50 women dying. That’s great for you. Torbin, on the other hand, is not you. I don’t understand what people can’t grasp about this in stories?
Yeah it's really weird. I actually didn't watch the show because of all the hate I saw. I finally gave it a chance and really liked it actually. The hate made even less sense to me.
Star Wars has always had this track record of story elements being patched and improved upon over time. People just don't remember or recognize that about the entries and things they saw when they were young, so the new stuff always seems worse in comparison. Ever since Ep 6 came out it's been the same thing, people just don't realize it
It’s mainly rage baiters that are stoking people’s intense emotions about the culture war and aiming them at any Disney product. There are some channels that do give valid critiques and I commend those people so much. But most of the channels where you find hate videos on the Acolyte, if you look at their catalog, it’s very obvious that they just hate to hate. They never have any positive content.
@takemywatch Your complaining about real world items being turned into props? Someone’s never watched Star Wars before lmao god what a braindead thing to complain about.
@@katieee1203 That Wookie would've teared through both Torbin and Sol and we all know it. Has Torbins head pinned to the wall, he should be crushed right there and then. Lazy writing.
It doesn't seem clear to me that the witches all died when Indara severed the connection with Kelnacca. They may have just passed out (which we have seen in Star Wars repeatedly when people put a lot of force energy into something). They could have then died in the fire... or they could have survived... after all, Mae somehow survived.
@@thejuansnow This was some modern pop something a-rather that has no place in Star Wars. Sounds too similar to an Earth song. Not other worldly like the music of Fallen Order
@thejuansnow modern pop is very different to using classic instruments, like in all star wars music being done with actual instruments. Plus it's more about the vibe than anything else. Just doesn't fit in a lot of people's opinion. Including mine
@@GrandPoppyA yeah but the logical part of me wants to know a reasonable answer this is still part sci-fi (even if it's the smallest part of the genre pie)
Like Ahsoka it's not been officially confirmed but heavily hinted at that there will be a S2. So if everything is tied up then, for me, it's not the end of the world.
@@katieee1203 I think it's unlikely there will be a season 2. 180 million dollars on this shit and its the lowest rated star wars ever including the christmas special. That kind of failure would signal to the creators that most people do not like this show and it shouldn't continue but anything is possible with Disney I guess
can i ask politely how ? i feel like the story has just been increasingly getting worse, also i’m not trying to attack you just genuinely curious what your thoughts are
Don’t agree. It was meh intially but I enjoyed 5 and 6. But this one was a step back. The acting/directing and execution of the reveals are weak to me.
Sol is such an interesting character who i cant really figure out. He says he feels a connection to osha but when mae comes running out he thinks it's osha. We know it's impossible to distinguish the twins through the force. So i think it further proves Sol was definitely forcing his wants into this situation.
@@Loveselfloveall1 they have sol super distraught and busy with other things. Especially with everything that happened. He thinks it's osha bc thru the force they feel the same. He never really looks at her until the end. Then he stuns her
3:25 He is, Kelnacca too; you can tell by the color of their belt. Indara is the only jedi master of the team. Torbin and Jecki were green, literally hehe.
Thanks for once again being some of the only decent SW reactors out there, guys. It’s so nice week to week watching this (imperfect, but very good) show with healthy, non-toxic fans who are just watching and appreciating the show for what it is.
@@tanisparker1282you wouldn’t know “true” Star Wars if it used an electron microscope to find and then bite you in the junk, man. Keep your bigoted gatekeeping, no one who matters at all cares what you think. About anything.
You wouldn’t know “true” Star Wars if it used an electron microscope to find and then bite you in the junk, man. Keep your bigoted gatekeeping, no one who matters at all cares what you think. About anything.
Can tell you for a fact that there is no pretending going on. They don't fake reactions. Them enjoying something, I assume you don't like, doesn't automatically mean they are lying.
@@katieee1203 This show is one of the worst written things to ever disgrace the screen. There are so many plot holes alone within the story and that's not even talking about lore breaking decisions within the show, that is an entirely different discussion altogether. If the actors for Sol, Qimir and Jecki were not hard carrying this show with their performance, the inexplicably terrible writing would have bombshelled this show into the ground in Episode 1-3. Anyone who thinks this show does star wars any justice is so blind to what Star Wars was about, George Lucas has spoken time and time again about what it is about. You can tell nobody who had a hand in this show genuinely respects the source material. You are allowed to enjoy bad films and tv shows, but don't try and pretend they are anything more than lackluster poor attempts at shallow surface level "artwork" from people who only started liking star wars because it became profitable and had a large audience.
@@Colaberator It's a TV show my friend, it really isn't that deep. I love Star Wars but it's not life & death. At the end of the day art is subjective. No one's opinion is more right than someone else's. I've enjoyed this show, had fun with it. That's my opinion, which again is totally subjective. Same as yours 👍
the one quote that cements the thematic landscape of this episode is what Qui-Gon said to Obi-Wan at the beginning of the Phantom Menace: "Don't center on your anxieties" Sol and Torbin forgot this one lesson that they learned way back when they were younglings They were torn apart from the inside with those emotions and this one incident set into motion the next 150 years of galactic history
There's digital lighting in the background, but they have a torch in the hallway. Also, easily the most flammable mountain in history. Must be a lot of wooden doors.
I knew from the Willow reactions that Eric would find the end credit song off putting. I felt the same way! If they wanted to do a stand alone music video for the song, it wouldn’t be a problem to me. I’m not shouting from the rooftop over it, but it was an odd creative choice.
I've been around for over 40 years and i can clearly say without question this is the worst time in all of Fandom. Its like people get off on hating things so much they have to bash others for not feeling as they feel. When i was growing up if i didnt like or hated a show i didn't continue to watch that show. I damn sure wouldn't watch a reaction to something i hated with such a passion. Hate-watching is a thing now i see. Calling people shills just because they are not hating thing like you is beyond pathetic, it's sad, it makes you small. I don't expect the people that im talking about to get this, they probably won't and come at me with hate in their rebuttal, i dont care.turn the channel if you dont like something. Its easy but you wont
And they have stopped watching, 75% viewer drop for the acolyte show. People want good star wars movies and shows to be produced outside of rouge one, mando seasons 1 and 2 and andor everything has been terrible and lore breaking.
@blitzenspeedster8150 just throwing a number out there doesn't make it true. Where are you getting the 75% drop off from? Because it's not true .the weekly numbers have been the same .it's true that this is one of the lowest viewed stars wars series ever but it's sitting at 244 million views you know what's the lowest? Andor at 208 million. It doesn't take any effort to go online and see people are review bombing this show which is pathetic work by small people. I loved andor more than this show but don't tell me that people have stopped watching because the numbers say that the views have been the same or close to the same each week. And you can look online each week for the youtubers who say it's the worst show they've seen but yet continue to watch each week just to rag on it because negative gets the most interactions of their algorithm. Critics have been locked with the audience scores except for two occasions the last jedi and this show. This show has at critics score of 93% and audience score of 19% it doesn't take a genius to realize what going on. And the comments these guys are getting from the same people each week just clearly shows that people are hate-watching the show and reactions to cry and complain that these guys don't feel the way the haters do each and every week. Apparently you don't like tge show but still watching the reactions unless you're just randomly by accident searched on the acolyte reactions to make a comment. If not you just verified my point.
@blitzenspeedster8150 If you want to see lore breaking look at the fan backlash when Ahsoka was introduced. Lucas broke his own universe bringing her on. She is a fan favorite so we overlook it.
@@ghostlee6434 I've been following blindwave since flash season 2 and followed through all the way with the cw superhero shows and watched there reactions on other shows. So I'll get notifications for all there reactions. This show isn't good, like at all. So seeing how many people defend this show in there comment section is wild. Star fans deserve better.
@@RaccoonVtuber Haha, you were that impressed to watch the same episode a second time?? Yeah, I guess us reaction watchers are like that... but to be serious, it was the worst episode so far.
@@Bayard1503 Of course I was, I pretty much watch anything Star Wars more than once (Except for the Resistance cartoon and some Clone Wars episodes cause those are meh) And wdym about the serious part?
My read of Mother Aniseya's move was that she was doing exactly what Mae asked for... she was turning to mist, along with Mae, so she could take them to the location of the fire that Mae had just told her about (note that we see Mother Koril use the same power to relocated herself, and seemingly all the witches with bows, to another location)... that would also get Mae away from the immediate danger of the escalation that Mother Koril just caused in the courtyard. Sol misread her actions, seeing Mae going to mist as well, seeing Mother Aniseya's actions a threat... so he made a "Choice" in a split second to do what he thought necessary to protect Mae.
This series sucks, not even you guys can pretend to like it anymore. But I understand that you can't say everything you really think because they take away your sponsors. 😒
The force can't be swayed to the dark or the light. When Anakin was made Darth plagueis and Palpatine wanted a dark side force user born to serve them but the force does not do that, it remains neutral and that's how Anakin came to be as a child. Not knowing anything but to be a kid. It's just like Kanan talking to the force user Bendu, "I am the light. I am the dark. I am the Bendu!" Remaining neutral and only helping when it is absolutely necessary. That's how I look at it anyway.
I think writers simply wanted describe how Sol's motive is almost identical to that of Qimir -- a desire for one's own apprentice/pupil --, and how this personal motive complicates everything around him. The problem seems to be, at least for me, the bad writing that does not deliver what writers set out to achieve, which made master Sol emotional to the extent of stupidity and not so Jedi-master level discipline.
@@testtest-qm7cjyour right. Master Sol started out as possibly the best character, and now..this. (Also didn’t this series start with Sol training like 12 younglings. What were there not enough younglings before so he obsessed over Osha for a second)
@@patrickmcdaniel5756 Galen built a weakness in the Death Star but I guess you could say that was dumb back when a new hope released so tell me how does that work as an argument for this? How does that even compare to a stone castle getting set on fire? It’s crazy that some peoples only defence for dumb stuff like this is by slamming all the original movies lol. People will go far to bat for Disney Star Wars lol even if they have to bring the OT down to do it.
Depending on how the events of this show end up influencing TPM, I love how the small detail here of the Great Hyperspace Disaster is now potentially the event that may have kicked off the entire Star Wars saga (disaster -> Brendok -> twins -> Jedi mission -> Qimir -> Plagueis? -> Anakin, etc). Because the Jedi would have ignored this planet without the loss and return of life signalling a possible vergence. So nothing to lead Mae to Qimir, etc.
@@daepappy I'm just shortcut-summarizing there. There's nothing revealed yet in terms of how Qimir fits into the Sith (if at all). But by Mae going to him, and Qimir learning of the twins, could lead to Plagueis learning of the witches' "test run" of creating life (again, just speaking broadly, not in specifics) or Tenebrous learning of it from Qimir and passing it onto Plagueis, either way which could then lead what happens later (and, at a bare minimum, form the basis for how Palpatine finishes manipulating Anakin to the darkside). There are still a lot of ifs in there, but it's implied to be a possible (though far from definite) chain of events so far.
@@dwilliams380 Depends on how directly Plagueis learns of the possibility and starts researching it. He could learn it from his master, or from an alternate source like Qimir, etc.
The possession thing the witches do reminds me of the Star Wars Rebels episode where Maul takes Ezra to Dathomir, and Kanan and Sabine get possessed by the Nightsister spirits. Same effect on the eyes, except then it was green whereas in this show it is black.
Hey guys I just wanted to say thank you for doing your thing. Makes someone like me who struggles to enjoy SW (or most modern media really) content these days enjoy it all the more. Yalls raw and full investment in the Galaxy Far Far away helps warm my jaded heart and find what there is to love in it. Thank you guys so much for sharing your passion and joy with us.
@@crimsonjedi man, you really bought into the script huh? Cause leaving the very obviously evil witch coven do a ceremony with children is the correct option. But no, the Jedi are evil cause they kept saying it so it must be true!
I think of the song at the end like Annie Lennox’s Into the West at the end of Lord of the Rings Return of the King. Not necessarily something you’d have in universe but related to the story. Also Andor’s song Pilgrim was another departure from normal Star Wars music
Likewise, not everything is awful in Star Wars land. It wouldn't kill you to realize a group that's famously known for liking Star Wars and not parroting the same negative comments other people make are liking Star Wars
Find me a perfect Starwars show/movie. They all have their flaws. The closest thing to perfection so far has been Rogue One and Andor. Those two beat out the OT even
Damn what a serie of fuck ups.🙃 Sol: let his prejudice over the coven bring the Jedi to meddle and investigate them.😐 Torbin: gets so afraid after being mind controlled than goes ballistic over the possibility of leaving the place using Osha and Mae as evidence of a vergence.😳 Toril: also goes ballistic. Inciting Mae to attack Osha and she was likely the one who put the fortress into self destruction mode. Her smile while she disappeared was most telling.😳 Aniseya: she was way too passive and lost control of both Mae and Torill, and the coven in the process. 😳 Mae: she did started a fire but lost control of it and she also incited the witches to fight.😲 Sol: fucks up again by confusing Aniseya's gesture as one of attacking while Torbin and Korill are facing each other.😨 Kelnacca: learns nothing from Torbin's failure and end up mind controlled. Forcing Torbin and Sol to hold their hits until Indara arrives to undo the mind control, killing the dozens of witches that were controlling them.😨 Indara: After being the voice of reason before and right after Sol finally comes to his senses she decides the best course of action is to hide the evidence and use Osha as a excuse?😨 And Let's not forget that Toril likely rescued Mae and led her to her revenge path with the Sith Qmir. After all there was no one else on the planet.😱
I loved how this episode showed Sol and Indara having different parenting techniques/styles. Sol is super soft and short from becoming a "soccer mom", believing Torbin´s emotions are valid and the girls need protection, while Indara thinks you can't hold the hand of your kid the whole damn time, you guid them but let them learn by themselves. Torbin was such a teenager here, stuck camping with his mum when all he wanted was to hang out with his friends.
He, along with Sol, instigated all of this when they went back for the girls. They caused a lot of turmoil. A community destroyed, people killed. Also what Aniseya did to him was such a surreal and scary expirience. That shit would stay with me for a long time. Thats a lot of baggage to hold onto for 16 years. Hope that clears it up 👍
super interesting details on how good torbin was fighting defensively as a padwan considering the display of his powers we saw in the present , holding his own against all the arrows alone and then against Kelnacca i get a feeling most padwans would probably not have survived that even in the state torbin did
@@beddeb45 How is that bad writing? Kelnacca was up against Sol and Torbin. Sol is the superior fighter and could have ended the fight at anytime, but didn't want to harm Kelnacca.
@@GrandPoppyA A Wookie jedi mind controlled by witches? Are you stupid or just ignorant? He would've easily crushed Torbin's head when he had it pinned and we all know it. Even the guys take notice in that exact scene. Torbins head is getting crushed, yet he has enough strength to withstand that AND block a slash from Kelnacca's saber and holding it for a bit. The writing is horrendous, and it's all right for you to say so as well.
It's going to be shocking when Osha finds out and confronts Sol, Sol has been my favorite character in The Acolyte but I think it's very clear that Osha will kill him and she is going to become Qimir's Acolyte, I think she will even corrupt Sol's kyber crystal to make her own saber, it can genuinely be a very good season finale i.m.o.
well interesting thing about the Vergence here again, its the same way how Anakin was born or maybe created (by someone, maybe Plageous), vergence also happened on Tatooine and same happened with Anakin`s mother. But here it seems like the witches cult couldn`t control that vergence fully to create life and thats way one consciousness spilt into two bodies.
Mae was trying to destroy that Jedi booklet or whatever it was. She had lost control of the fire. George Lucas had been subverting the Jedi since 1980. The revelation of their flaws is nothing new.
@@homeostvsis Yes, it was bad. But Mae never meant to kill Osha. Her actions regarding the fire could be compared to the Jedi's presence and actions on that planet.
Coming from a similar budget show with house of the dragon to this, is a complete night and day difference in overall quality and respect for the source material
To me the dark smoke looks like a way for them to travel. Similar to how Charal could turn into a raven. I think mother Aniseya was responding to Mae crying and calling for her help - she was trying to dark smoke Mae to somewhere safe.
Why you guys don't have any criticism towards the show, is it because your expectations are that low ?? Uff I wish I had the same mentality. Jeezzzz I can't with this writing of this show.
Ignoring the other guy's response because it's full of bull The Blind Wave crew aren't part of the Fandom Menace. They don't hate or nitpick for the sake of hating, and actually like the shows for what they are. They do criticize things occasionally, but they're not a hate channel, there's a ton of those. You're watching Star Wars fans be fans, not Star Wars haters, if you wanted to watch manchildren hate on Star Wars for no reason you could go watch Star Wars theory
@@RaccoonVtuber Being a fan doesn't mean you can't criticize at all, especially the bad writing and acting. And since when all criticism equals hate. And I'm no fan of SW Theory, but saw some videos of his, and he seems down to earth and a big fan of the universe. But he is a hater according to your logic because he doesn't like ALL the SW shows.
@@camouflage1086 Damn I don't remember saying that. Here I thought he was toxic because he used AI Mark Hamill without Hamill's permission (Then played victim when Mark got upset) or because he constantly criticizs or nitpicks shows then defends Lucas-era projects that did the same thing, or because he continues intimidate smaller creators who support current Lucasfilm projects. But no no, I guess he's toxic because he doesn't like TV shows. Guess that's your logic, or at least my logic according to you. Coolio 👍
@@RaccoonVtuber "he constatntly criticizs or nitpicks shows" Good, shows he loves the universe, really cares for it and wants future projects to be better. Just like in real life, people that really care for you will always tell you the truth, even when it hurts in the short term. It's very simple.
I don't think Indara killed the witches when she severed the connection. I think they just got knocked unconscious. However, the Jedi did leave them there as the place burned down around them. Dark.
I love you guys so much, and enjoy how you analyse things and bring up interesting discussions. I’m watching along but have had a hard time enjoying the Acolyte, not because it’s bad Star Wars lore and stuff, but because I think the show is badly made. I also watch hotd and in comparison that’s god like. The writing, storytelling, pacing and character decisions in the Acolyte are just plain bad according to me. I respect you wave squadron so much but the lack of any form of criticism is a bit itching.. not for the Star Wars content but for how they choose to deliver it to us fans. But as I said, love your content keep up the good work!
@@regansimpson1930 I started watching Blind Wave when Eric rewatched GoT with Calvin and just thought that their enjoyment and discussions was the best of any reactors out there. They as now talked much about the characters, the world, magic and houses, what the show was about. But more than that Eric never ceased to amaze me with his thoughts regarding the cinematography, acting, music and most of all the storytelling. And this was still true at the end of GoT because they were willing to, not slamming and shit talking (like many others did), but to creatively criticise and remark upon what was good and what was bad. Now it feels like they only focus on what’s good and therefore not even acknowledging what could be better. Perhaps that’s a better feeling but to me it feels like a lie to myself, and as fans, don’t we deserve better?
@@claesgrill2898 "Don't we deserve better?" Do you hear yourself? It's four guys, having fun with a show. That's literally the long and short of it. There's no grand conspiracy, they aren't faking anything. Why should they make criticisms when they don't feel that way? They are just having a genuine fun time. It really isn't that deep 😂
@@katieee1203 that sentiment was directed towards todays creators of Star Wars not to Wave Squadron, I mean not to bear any ill intent towards them. I’m just stating that they are more than a reaction channel since they have so much knowledge about Star Wars and filmmaking, so the reaction is a small part (still is) but after that they would not only discuss the in universe stuff that we perhaps got to see first time in live-action but also how it was made. As I said before the storytelling is always, no matter what history you’re trying to tell, of uppermost importance. And as I wrote before, criticism doesn’t need to be bashing but a natural way to understand that nothing is perfection
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I think Master Indara accidently killed all the witches, it looked like she felt them die and was shocked. She was the most careful and still ended killing everyone, I think that's why she was more inclined to lie to the council since she was hiding the guilt from everyone, they all ended with alot of guilt and Calnaka ended with going mad from the effects of Master Indara interrupting the ritual.
Yeah, showrunner just confirmed that she didn’t intend to kill them.
The "sacrifice" thing was a misunderstanding by Mae of what their mother told them in episode 3 about having to sacrifice material things for the greater good.
Yeah, she was supposed to say "everyone needs to make sacrifices" but she got mixed up and said "be sacrifices"
Was it though, I’m getting the feeling the girls were batteries, they make these kids and then absorb them or go into them for their connection to the force for longer life spans and closer connections to the force. They told the girls they’d be the leaders and Indara says you are kids, how can you lead, well lead from inside the mother or the mother inside one of them once absorbed maybe?
@@Manx36 Yeah, the interaction between Mother Aniseya and the other witches, where they are saying that she is sacrificing the coven's future by letting Osha go gave me a similar feeling. The other witches seemed very upset/worried about Osha leaving as if it was more than "this girl will be our future leader"...
@@WiqidBritt Making fan fiction so the series makes sense
Yeah. It's supposed to highlight they are kids. They still don't understand everything and may misinterpret things differently.
He can’t sense their differences cuz they are one consciousness in two bodies. Thats why he couldn’t tell on the ship, that’s why Qimir couldn’t tell in the shop that it was Osha. The only ones that could tell them apart was their mothers. Sol even called Mae “osha” when she came running in about the fire!
Also the dream that Indara brings up reflects what Qimir said about killing the dream. Osha full on corrupted
sounds like like a Dyad to me.
But Qimir could tell in the shop
In that case it’s weird that the girls aren’t twins
@@JS-td8yp
He didn’t seem to at first. He only seemed to realise when he got a bit the closer to her. He probably noticed the mark on the head was gone
Notice that Sol _really_ wants to train Osha to the point of calling Mae, her twin, by the name Osha. He's seeing what he wants to see.
Rather like defenders of this garbage.
@@CarlWheatley-wi2cl I mean, I think it's mid, but it's fine. Let people like what they like. Constructive and well articulated criticism is good, but just calling it garbage won't help the people making it know _why_ it's garbage.
@@CarlWheatley-wi2clat least they are explaing the mixup by it being one consciousness in 2 bodies. Is it odd he couldn't sense it from what we've seen before? Sure, but at least there is an intention behind it besides "whoops, he wasn't smart enough to see it"
@@bajes328 You can't explain to them why it's garbage. They don't understand what good writing is and what bad writing is. I've given up "explaining" because they DON'T understand. I agree, people will like what they like, me included. Fortunately, there's not enough people who like objective garbage for it to be viable.
@@CarlWheatley-wi2clCalling them idiots or the show trash serves nothing but venting your emotions if you're not communicating anything. It can't, even. It's just damaging your mental health at that point.
What I loved the most about episodes 3 and 7 is how they show neither the Jedi nor the witches were innocent, and that like sadly too many real life conflicts it was born out of prejudices and misunderstandings.
Awesome, so I root for nobody! What a great show.
@@crimsonjediThat’s your takeaway? LMAO.
It’s trying to act like oh the dark side is just misunderstood. So dumb
Really? The Jedi had no jurisdiction, yet broke into the covens’ home multiple times. I think whatever the coven did to the Jedi was earned.
EDIT: *and* went against Indara’s + the council’s orders. FFS
@@MrPossum077 Equating the coven with the dark side, as if they are just another type of sith, seems to be misplaced. I do not at all see the point as being that the dark side is misunderstood... rather, it is telling the all too real story of how misunderstandings among different groups that are suspicious of each other can lead to terrible things.
I think Aniseya was trying to escape with Mae. Definitely a defensive move that Sol misinterpreted as aggressive. I also think Korril actually fled with that power, and didn't possess Kelnacca. I think that was the rest of the coven.
Yeah it seemed to be whatever the Star Wars witch version of Misty Step is, and because Jedi are taught to be so wary and suspicious of other Force users, Sol assumed the worst (even though they had literally broken into these people's homes). This along with Mother Korril's escalation lead to all that death. Its tragic.
I do like that the Council, and Indara, had the right read, just leave people alone!
I think you are right. We saw a similar power from the Nightsisters.
@@mysteriouslunar9779she could have just said hey I’m letting her go instead of going dust mode. Her fault for doing the dumb move. And she was straight up evil in the prior scene when in the kids mind.
@@MrPossum077 are you forgetting the part where the jedi broke in their houses armed wanting to kidnap their children? it's literally written out on the comment you are replying to, the reason why "she could have just said hey I’m letting her go instead of going dust mode" is because both sides were about to start fighting and words failed
@@mysteriouslunar9779 we saw Mother Talzin do the same in TCW and Merrin does it a lot in Fallen Order and Survivor.
7:59 “Sacrifice doesn’t sound good, especially when there’s a big hole around 🥴” - Rick
😂😂
Well that made sense.
Idk if it was intentional but I noticed how when Kelnaca was possessed, he was fighting with his saber but not in an elegant or efficient way. Large sweeping strikes and hits filled with anger like an angry witch who’s used to fighting with a metal stick would do.
True, but think about how a wookie fights in general. Any wookie Jedi probably uses form 5 and in a large, brutish way. Like Vader, just a wookie
Probably because the witches were controlling him
That doesn't mean anything when we haven't seen Kelnaca fight before being possessed lol. His fighting was on par with 70% of sequel era saber fights lol
@spencerrr9878 Too bad they killed him, so we have no idea how he truly fights.
Pretty lackluster way of explaining away 0% effort fight choreography
Fear was the enemy here. Everyone acted of their worst fear and it ended up in disaster. Mother Anaseya and Master Indara were the rational ones here, sadly they didn't listen to them.... 😢
To the people who lack basic Media Literacy:
As we see, the witches can travel as a smoke too or what I like to call "Forcemoke" (I'm not good with names). It's safe to say Mother Aneseya was basically trying to take Mae away and possibly save Osha with the ability before Sol reacted.
Master Indira warned Sol multiple times about interfering but he did. Trying to cover up what happened is for Osha's benefit because telling a child, hey we have to kill your mom and coven because we messed up is a lovely thing to do or deliver a child.
lol what.
Black lady turns into a mist and is turning daughter to mist out of no where. Good guy tries to save child then out of no where she says oh I was going to let her go. So dumb.
Then trinity says oh let’s just lie for no reason at all.
Pull your head out
@basicsimp8798 But Jedi are supposed to be able to control their emotions.
@@crimsonjedi Like that's ever worked.
@jackiecarson859 Yes, that is what I usually see when I watch Star Wars. These Jedis are extremely emotional and undisciplined. But they have to be the bad guys.
How was the mother rational when she started into a smoke monster?? Also, how was Indara rational when she decided to hide the details to the event??? They didn't really need to hind anything... they didn't do that much wrong and everything was done because they wanted to protect the children anyway.
} Mae MISS-quoted Mother Aniseya, she did NOT say anything about sacrificing people at all, she was talking about letting go of wants and moving past fear, to let t go of fear, that was she meant by "sacrifice".
} The fire spread through the 100+ year old wiring in the walls all the way to the old power generator room and the old equipment exploded
} Torbin made A LOT of mistakes and misjudgements based on his own fear and mistrust
} Sol made A LOT of assumptions with little evidence, and he acted out of emotions, acted out of fear
} They were told NO by the Jedi council, they were all supposed to leave, they should of let it go and should have LEFT
} Aniseya turned into "shadow" to teleport her and Mae to a safe place, Sol assumed it was an attack and reacted, but striking with his saber was an over-reaction on his part
) Mother Korril acted out of fear, anger and mistrust of the Jedi, she needlessly escalated things in several ways.
} Indara severed the connection the witches has to Kelnacca to mind puppet him, but severing that connection killed them unintentionally she didn't know that would happen. Ever see The Matrix? It's like abruptly unplugging 50 people from the Matrix, which results in death
Thanks, I was about to write this same things as an answer to someone who asked 12 questions! 😁 Not many people know how to read subtext and between the lines, everyone wants everything spoon-fed.
I've seen this happen with so many other franchises and movies etc.
Excellent response.
Great write up. 👍
The amount of people blaming Sol for killing Anaseya is crazy to me.
If you're standing off and a fight could break out at any moment and one of your potential enemies turns into an evil looking smoke monster and is seemingly disintegrating a child wouldn't you stab her too? I sure as hell would. 😂
The Jedi made a shit ton of mistakes over the course of this show so far, but this wasn't one of them.
It was the equivalent of pulling out a gun aggressively in front of a cop
He shouldn't have been there in the first place...let people turning into smoke in their own house alone
The Instict of Jedi should never be reacting with agression first. It dosnt matter with it is a evil loking amoke cloud, if you dont know what it is you should not kill it just becouse you fellt afraid or dont wanderstod it. And thats way we should blame Soul, because he reactied with fear and agression to something he dident know
@@DanielGarofalo100 First, you need to work on your grammar; it's all over the place. He wasn't reacting with aggression; he believed "Osha" was in danger at the moment because she turned into a smoke demon, and "Osha" began to evaporate. That's sufficient to assume she was in danger. Jedi don't just stand by and let others come to harm. The witch should've diffused the situation and explained that Osha was also free to go instead of gaslighting an already tense situation.
@@BrandonMcNeil2110 first of all I'm giving you the courtesy of speaking to you in a language you understand. I could just reply in my own native one and don't even care for you, but since probably english is the only language you speak I'm being nice enough inspite of my grammar "being all over the place"
Second of all so Sol reacted without knowledge of the situation, he absolutely didn't know what the smoke would do, he assumed was bad, because he had preconseved all the wicthes abilities wore bad, she could easily be just teleporting everyone from the coven away and therefore descalating the conflict as you sad (like Jedi do with force pushes a non lethal techinique)
But because Sol was inbalanced and reacted with fear and preconceved notions of evil he made a mistake.
It doesn't mean he is evil or a bad person, Jedi are flawed, and he and his team were very flawed in the mission. Always escalating the conflict, always acting with preconceved notions insted of trying to truly understand how the magic of the witches worked
Loved the reference to the Hyperspace disaster. The event that kicked off this whole era of content.
That was a great nod to us that read the High Republic books.
Wdym?
@@smartguy6895 The disaster occurred because there was a group of raiders called the Nihil that carried out their activities using unconventional hyperspace routes. One of their ships collided with a vessel carrying about 10,000 passengers and send debris at lightspeed throughout the galaxy. Some debris was prevented from colliding with planets and ships but some hit other worlds and damaged them severely.
@@TheOnlyRedsFan Thank you! I didn't want to type all that out.
@@TheOnlyRedsFanGod I gotta read high republic books they sound sick as fuck
Thanks to Eric, Rick, Calvin and Aaron! 🌑 The "we must be sacrificed" misquote little 'Mae' relayed to 'Indara' and 'Sol' had a huge impact. They literally thought the girls were in mortal danger. 'Aniseya' actually said, "It is about sacrificing a *part* of ourselves". 🔸 It's also wild to learn that 'Sol' was imposing his own wants (to have a Padawan... even though he might not be ready) onto the situation. He even almost lost his temper on 'Indara' at the end. That shows a very un-Jedi-like conflict that adds to his motivations.
I did wonder if Osha was unintentionally manipulating or over enhancing Sol’s feelings, because she was so desperate to get away from her sister etc. That he wasn’t fully to blame for his weird reactions to the girls. However I think I am giving the show way too much credit for a nuanced explanation, when it is likely just more really poor writing like the rest of the show.
It’s a mirror to qui gon’s arc in the prequels. An emotional headstrong Jedi who doesn’t follow the rules and makes the choice to take on an overpowered too old padawn against everyone else’s wishes
@@bigeent.5160 I see that similarity, but I disagree with the motivations. 'Sol' seems more selfish; 'Qui-Gon' seems more rational. The difference is what makes revisiting the dynamic particularly interesting.
@@bigeent.5160 It's not even close though. Leslie is trying her hardest to make her own "chosen one" it's honestly hilarious.
@@FroggeeSB This starts to make sens for me at least! as Indara said to Sol "Do not confuse what Osha wants as what you want"
I don't know if the coven died once the connection was severed. They could've just been knocked out. That said, they would probably then die in the fire.
@brycelloyd3592 either way they died. Either way it's also kind of stupid
I thought the same thing.
@@Crabman141 why is it stupid?
@duman173 using their magic, all of them possess a living being to attack the Jedi. Severing that one connection kills all of them. That's a bit silly. Maybe not all of them should've tried possessing someone. Then the whole fire thing was silly. Burning her sister alive, a mountain of rock catching completely on fire. Just strange
@@Crabman141 how do you know the magic they were doing doesn't make it so if the link is interrupted without them being the ones to do it causes them to go brain dead, you know nothing about the magic , what you know is what you were shown. As for the fire they literally showed it was an accident she wanted to destroy her sisters notebook and things got out of control, are you gona argue a child making irrational decisions in a stressful moments where she sees fighting her sister as the only way to "protect" her because of her education and is using the rage of her abandoning her willingly to fuel it wouldn't be prone to doing irrational decisions? 10 seconds of media literacy should have gotten you there
I’m glad that the Jedi weren’t solely at fault here. Both the Jedi and the witches were at fault. I also like that Sol is this deeply flawed character who is still trying to do the right thing, at least that’s how I read him
Same! He’s multi-dimensional, I love flawed heroes. He had regret when the mother died, you could see it, he just allowed himself to be guided by fear. Which is some tasty drama
I don’t understand how people don’t see that this is intentional, than claim they understand movie writings smh
@@vanessaaves3271pretty bold to call someone who killed two kids’ mom only to abduct one and leave the other to die a “hero”
@vanessaaves3271 No, they are just dumb and emotional Jedi. Which Jedi shouldn't be.
@@leojs5673not necessarily calling him a hero. A tragic hero is used in books all the time. Basically just means the main character while having “good” ideals and intentions. Is inherently flawed.
Easiest explanation for the life: Planet was not uninhabitable, but SOMEONE put it in records as such, using the Accident as a cover...
And then that SOMEONE gave the witches the advice to go there.
Aaaand...
Maybe said SOMEONE alerted the Jedi to the planet being mysteriously full of life?
I mean, all life was gone on this planet, we do know that. These theories are getting pulled out of nothing.
Honestly the song at the end threw me off a bit. Even though it's made for the show, it's weird to hear a song like that in Star Wars.
For once the council made a sane decision. They should've never interfered with the witches. I think Sol was too enveloped in his own feelings, more than what Osha needed.
The song was stupid
@nicopalermo1972 Nothing says Star Wars like that song, right 😂
@@TwistedReality13 horrible
If you think that song was stupid, listen to Clones, from Republic Commando. Power of Two is a masterpiece in comparison.
@@JayL- power of two makes me want to blow chunks
Sol and his decisions/emotions really remind me of qui gon. Even down to taking in osha against everyone’s warnings and following his feelings rather than the code and rules of the Jedi. Qui gon did the same thing with anakin knowing everything he knew he still chose anakin and we know where that lead. Ik it doesn’t account for a lot but it’s interesting to think if qui gon had just left anakin alone none of what happened would’ve happened. Same could be said for sol. In the words of George Lucas, Star Wars is like poetry…it rhymes. Anyone upset with the decisions by the Jedi or their rashness throughout this series clearly haven’t been paying attention. It’s been said many times that they are an over correction. Not perfect in any sense and are partly responsible for their downfall. There’s a reason Luke made the choice he did
Aaron I don’t think Osha and Mae are the Vergeance, they were created out of the Vergeance, by the power of the Force (or the Thread in this case). One consciousness, one child split in two, hence why Sol keeps confusing them
The showrunner has since confirmed they are not the Vergeance in an interview with the Nerdist yesteray
In the same interview, she also confirmed Sol confused Mae for Osha because Sol didn’t know the difference. He was fooled twice now. While Qimir always knew when it was Osha. It’s supposed to be a sign that he is meant to be her master, not Sol.
@@c.a.honeycutt5046 That and the big fucking face tattoo isn't clear enough right? They really handled this show with such care LOL.
@@bongzilla4172😂😂
I think it's funny how people literally wait for these to drop just so they can remind everyone that they hate something
I'm convinced these people only live to be angry
Or, ya know, we love Star Wars and hate seeing it blatantly get used for trash TV? We don't "live to be angry." We live to see Star Wars used properly.
@@williammccormick984 Okay, tell me how it's not being "used properly." Go on. I'm sure this will be great.
@@williammccormick984 Is it that difficult to say "this is not for me" and move on? No one is forcing anyone to keep watching.
@@mcoppola07 No, thanks. Change your attitude and maybe we can talk. Watch your shitty mouth.
@@williammccormick984 Entitled Sith mentality
In the end it was everyone’s fault
Sol for getting too paranoid about a limited view of events he saw
Indara for being a bit too cold towards Torbin
Torbin for being too impetuous and impatient
Koril for being too violent and hateful
Aniseya for being too lenient and allowing Mae to grow too dark, and pushing Torbin too far
The only ones not at fault were tragically Mae and Osha. (And arguably Kelnacca)
Disagree a bit. Mae did started a fire (that she lost control over it) and Kelnacca should have shielded his mind after what happened to Torbin. But yeah i mostly agree, that was a series of epic fuck ups.
Loved this!
Kelly boy did nothing wrong
@@GattsBerserkArmor I didn’t think about that for Kelnacca, but Mae I was trying not to blame because Koril has been encouraging her dark side and even in this episode was smacking her around to get her angry enough to try to stop Osha from leaving
The Jedi lost their way when they became the peacekeepers for the Republic. The Republic should supply their own peacekeepers. The Jedi should've been left alone, friends of the Republic, allies most definitely, but their service to the Republic is how the Sith killed them.
I can't blame Sol for striking down the mother. It definitely looked like she was attacking or doing something to the child. Definitely don't use darkside powers as a surprise next to a Jedi, that can't go well in any way it plays out.
I have a question, could you help me out here? If Torbin was a padawan and felt so guilty for what happened on Brendok, how could he become a Jedi? I mean he took his life because of this, wouldn't the Council feel that guilt and prevent him from becoming a Jedi?
Seeing some of the comments already bashing and insulting the child actor playing the twins is truly disappointing, that even exists in this community is sad enough much less about star wars with its history of fandoms bashing actors
Maybe because this bullshit is the worst TV show ever???
@@theuglyswiss6532look bro, I hate this show with my heart, but going after the actors, SPECIALLY kids, that’s a nono. Let’s be respectful and criticize only the show itself
@@theuglyswiss6532then stop watching, you absolute child. My god.
@@theuglyswiss6532you need to watch more TV shows and so that means you need to bully children what the fuck is wrong with you like genuinely do you feel good about that?
Kid or not they are awful actors . They are getting paid for this shit so yeah we can and should give critics , bad or good
I really hope there’s some kind of novel/extra media that delves more into Sol because there’s clearly some kind of further background that needs to be explored (why he’s so much more emotional than other Jedi) which I don’t think we’ll have time for in the final episode.
Glad to have Rick on this reaction
All of that would've been avoided if Master Indara went alone as she insisted and ask for a private audience with Mother Anaseya. She can ask exactly what they intend to do with the children (considering this is Disney Star Wars, most likely not thrown into that big hole). Then all will be well, except for Sol who will need to find his Padawan elsewhere.
It HAS been clarified that palpatine did not create anakin at least
He didn't, the canon Vader comics clarified that.
@@Keilanify yes...that's literally what I said lol
@JMiller1303 no, I completely understand that he was agreeing with me, I just didn't understand why it was worded the way it was
The force itself created Anny in response to Plagueis trying to create a Dark being with force manipulation.
In that context this entire show is actually bunch of bullshit. The force will never allow anyone to manipulate with it without repercussions. Atleast it would have been good if the writing was decent.
You guys are my favorite Star Wars reactors, and my favorite reactors in general. Love the positivity and discussions.
@@MasonGrant0704 ?
@carlofrivia4468 totally agree
Yes, I love the censored responses from them. Eat shit and just close your eyes.
@@crimsonjediwho hurt you?
@@crimsonjedicry more
My theory is that Mother Koril is alive, she saved Mae, and is now plotting her revenge behind the scenes either with a new coven or alongside the Sith. In this episode when Mother Aniseya and Mae began to dissipate it was to save Osha and get to safety. Unfortunately, Sol didn’t understand this and thought something evil was at play. Therefore, I think when we witness Koril fully dissolve she is able to physically get away. I don’t believe she dissolved in order to take over Kelneca’s consciousness because we quickly see that the other witches have collectively possessed Kelneca without the need to dissolve their physical bodies.
I really enjoyed this episode. Seeing the other side of that night, seeing all the mistakes that led to this nightmare… my heart broke for Torbin, Mae, Osha… I can’t wait to see the finale.
Torbin killing himself over guilt for when he barely did anything wrong other than rushing off alone is so ridiculous. Sure a lot of people died that night but he didn't kill anyone or hurt anyone, so he just kills himself years later because of the guilt of what happened? That's really dumb lol
My penis broke.
@@Stygiophobic … that’s how guilt works. And even though it was dumb for you it was profound for him. His actions, along with others, led to many deaths. That’s enough to cause most people to go into a deep depression riddled with guilt.
@@Stygiophobicnot to mention the cover up and blaming everything on Mae. I’m sure the culmination ate at his mental health over time which is why he took the vow
@Stygiophobic This is why I dislike people spouting opinions. They never use media literary, storytelling comprehension, or critical thinking. They just see a character make a decision and think “Hey, if I were that character in that position, I would not have made that decision! This is so stupid.” Instead of thinking “Hmm, why would this character make that decision?” Literally 100 different people can be put through the exact same horrible experience, and they will all make different choices, and take from the experience wildly different things. It’s not about what YOU would do. No one cares that you wouldn’t feel guilt at inciting the circumstances that led to 50 women dying. That’s great for you. Torbin, on the other hand, is not you. I don’t understand what people can’t grasp about this in stories?
It makes me wonder about that tree which Osha keeps going to. It has special significance to her, but why, what is it?
I honestly don’t understand the hate here from the community. I thought the show has been pretty good so far.
Yeah it's really weird. I actually didn't watch the show because of all the hate I saw. I finally gave it a chance and really liked it actually. The hate made even less sense to me.
Of course you did, Pokémon fans are known for liking everything regardless of its quality.
Star Wars has always had this track record of story elements being patched and improved upon over time. People just don't remember or recognize that about the entries and things they saw when they were young, so the new stuff always seems worse in comparison.
Ever since Ep 6 came out it's been the same thing, people just don't realize it
It’s mainly rage baiters that are stoking people’s intense emotions about the culture war and aiming them at any Disney product. There are some channels that do give valid critiques and I commend those people so much. But most of the channels where you find hate videos on the Acolyte, if you look at their catalog, it’s very obvious that they just hate to hate. They never have any positive content.
It's the same thing when the Prequels came out. The same kind of people crying loudly as usual.
DAMMIT AARON!! the badonkagonk jumpscare got me
Kalnaca also scratched Torbin with his claws and its super dishonorable for a Wookie to use their claws.
They did a really great job showing how terrifying a Wookie Jedi could be! Loved this episode!
A Wookie is already bad news. A Wookie with Force powers, a Lightsaber AND is possessed is ''Ok I guess I'll die now'' levels of bad news!
@@katieee1203 Don't forget his metal detector! Why use the force when you have a trusty Dr Otek at your side - just awful.
@@takemywatch Honestly something like that doesn't affect my enjoyment 🤷
@takemywatch Your complaining about real world items being turned into props? Someone’s never watched Star Wars before lmao god what a braindead thing to complain about.
@@katieee1203 That Wookie would've teared through both Torbin and Sol and we all know it. Has Torbins head pinned to the wall, he should be crushed right there and then. Lazy writing.
It doesn't seem clear to me that the witches all died when Indara severed the connection with Kelnacca. They may have just passed out (which we have seen in Star Wars repeatedly when people put a lot of force energy into something). They could have then died in the fire... or they could have survived... after all, Mae somehow survived.
Who saved Mae? She was just left on the planet alone if everyone died.
So another example of contemporary song in star wars is the song cal is listening to in the beginning if fallen order, it's by the hu
Yeah but it fits this is some wonder land shit
@@14aqib who cares man, it was a credits song
@@thejuansnow This was some modern pop something a-rather that has no place in Star Wars. Sounds too similar to an Earth song. Not other worldly like the music of Fallen Order
@Crabman141 the hu is literally .modern metal music played with traditional instruments... genres of music exist man this is NOT a big deal
@thejuansnow modern pop is very different to using classic instruments, like in all star wars music being done with actual instruments. Plus it's more about the vibe than anything else. Just doesn't fit in a lot of people's opinion. Including mine
the one question that still hasn't been answered (and probably never will now) is HOW DID MAE SURVIVE THAT FALL?
@@KarlKraus1 you're right. It will never be answered
In SW falls are never lethal. :)
@@GrandPoppyA yeah but the logical part of me wants to know a reasonable answer this is still part sci-fi (even if it's the smallest part of the genre pie)
@@KarlKraus1 I can understand, but we can't apply logic to the SW universe. None of it is logical. :)
THANK YOU FOR ASKING
I have been looking forward for this
I really liked this episode, but I have no idea how this story can possibly be wrapped up in a satisfying way in a single episode.
i was just thinking that as well
Like Ahsoka it's not been officially confirmed but heavily hinted at that there will be a S2. So if everything is tied up then, for me, it's not the end of the world.
I found it absolutely abhorrent.
@@katieee1203 I think it's unlikely there will be a season 2. 180 million dollars on this shit and its the lowest rated star wars ever including the christmas special. That kind of failure would signal to the creators that most people do not like this show and it shouldn't continue but anything is possible with Disney I guess
@@TheCalmPleb Each to their own. I've enjoyed it. Guess we'll see 👍
This show just keeps getting better and better imo.
can i ask politely how ? i feel like the story has just been increasingly getting worse, also i’m not trying to attack you just genuinely curious what your thoughts are
@@ZvchHart Yeah I don't get it.
Don’t agree. It was meh intially but I enjoyed 5 and 6. But this one was a step back. The acting/directing and execution of the reveals are weak to me.
LOL is that you, Kathleen?
really? I mean for real?!
The slow mo jumps in the fight were so matrix!
Sol is such an interesting character who i cant really figure out. He says he feels a connection to osha but when mae comes running out he thinks it's osha. We know it's impossible to distinguish the twins through the force. So i think it further proves Sol was definitely forcing his wants into this situation.
That’s interesting. Until you remember one of the sisters has a giant crop circle on her forehead and the other doesn’t 😅
@@Loveselfloveall1 they have sol super distraught and busy with other things. Especially with everything that happened. He thinks it's osha bc thru the force they feel the same. He never really looks at her until the end. Then he stuns her
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He is, Kelnacca too; you can tell by the color of their belt. Indara is the only jedi master of the team. Torbin and Jecki were green, literally hehe.
Thanks for once again being some of the only decent SW reactors out there, guys. It’s so nice week to week watching this (imperfect, but very good) show with healthy, non-toxic fans who are just watching and appreciating the show for what it is.
@@tanisparker1282nobody who calls Eric a fash is a serious person. Begone, troll
@@tanisparker1282begone, fash troll
@@tanisparker1282you wouldn’t know “true” Star Wars if it used an electron microscope to find and then bite you in the junk, man. Keep your bigoted gatekeeping, no one who matters at all cares what you think. About anything.
You wouldn’t know “true” Star Wars if it used an electron microscope to find and then bite you in the junk, man. Keep your bigoted gatekeeping, no one who matters at all cares what you think. About anything.
As if you have any concept at all of what “true” Star Wars is. Bigots stay losers, little bro.
they try so hard to pretend they like it so to keep viewers happy
Can tell you for a fact that there is no pretending going on. They don't fake reactions. Them enjoying something, I assume you don't like, doesn't automatically mean they are lying.
@@katieee1203 dude most of the viewers say this is shit and if they are "real" fans they would know its cheap crap
@@smiley-ii8lo Annnd now we're gatekeeping....nice 👍 I've been a fan of Star Wars near enough my whole life, I've enjoyed this, still a fan.
@@katieee1203 This show is one of the worst written things to ever disgrace the screen. There are so many plot holes alone within the story and that's not even talking about lore breaking decisions within the show, that is an entirely different discussion altogether. If the actors for Sol, Qimir and Jecki were not hard carrying this show with their performance, the inexplicably terrible writing would have bombshelled this show into the ground in Episode 1-3. Anyone who thinks this show does star wars any justice is so blind to what Star Wars was about, George Lucas has spoken time and time again about what it is about. You can tell nobody who had a hand in this show genuinely respects the source material. You are allowed to enjoy bad films and tv shows, but don't try and pretend they are anything more than lackluster poor attempts at shallow surface level "artwork" from people who only started liking star wars because it became profitable and had a large audience.
@@Colaberator It's a TV show my friend, it really isn't that deep. I love Star Wars but it's not life & death.
At the end of the day art is subjective. No one's opinion is more right than someone else's. I've enjoyed this show, had fun with it. That's my opinion, which again is totally subjective. Same as yours 👍
the one quote that cements the thematic landscape of this episode is what Qui-Gon said to Obi-Wan at the beginning of the Phantom Menace:
"Don't center on your anxieties"
Sol and Torbin forgot this one lesson that they learned way back when they were younglings
They were torn apart from the inside with those emotions and this one incident set into motion the next 150 years of galactic history
There's digital lighting in the background, but they have a torch in the hallway. Also, easily the most flammable mountain in history. Must be a lot of wooden doors.
Those hallway light capsules are filled with Star Wars Nepalm called Rhydonium. Which also was a bad choice
The hyperdrive disaster mentioned is a major event in the Old Republic novels. This is an awesome reference.
I dont think they died when the connection to the wookie was broken but they just fell unconsious and the fire and the smoke kill them
Which is so much worse. :(
I’m wondering whether the fact that Mae is Portuguese for mom, just as Vader is Dutch for father might be a connection for this story.
That Wookie Jedi Fight!
Great reaction Wave Crew!
I knew from the Willow reactions that Eric would find the end credit song off putting. I felt the same way! If they wanted to do a stand alone music video for the song, it wouldn’t be a problem to me.
I’m not shouting from the rooftop over it, but it was an odd creative choice.
Another vergence in the Force is the Ahch-To Jedi Temple, along with the mirror cave beneath it
"Balance: powerful light, powerful darkness"
Isn't there also a vergence in the force on Dagobah?
@@xandernoe899 they mentioned that one it's the dark side cave they said
Kelnacca's home was full of the witches symbols
I've been around for over 40 years and i can clearly say without question this is the worst time in all of Fandom. Its like people get off on hating things so much they have to bash others for not feeling as they feel. When i was growing up if i didnt like or hated a show i didn't continue to watch that show. I damn sure wouldn't watch a reaction to something i hated with such a passion. Hate-watching is a thing now i see. Calling people shills just because they are not hating thing like you is beyond pathetic, it's sad, it makes you small. I don't expect the people that im talking about to get this, they probably won't and come at me with hate in their rebuttal, i dont care.turn the channel if you dont like something. Its easy but you wont
I'm in my 50s and this has got out of hand. I remember when TPM made a lot of fans angry. Idk why SW always attracted this type of fan.
And they have stopped watching, 75% viewer drop for the acolyte show. People want good star wars movies and shows to be produced outside of rouge one, mando seasons 1 and 2 and andor everything has been terrible and lore breaking.
@blitzenspeedster8150 just throwing a number out there doesn't make it true. Where are you getting the 75% drop off from? Because it's not true .the weekly numbers have been the same .it's true that this is one of the lowest viewed stars wars series ever but it's sitting at 244 million views you know what's the lowest? Andor at 208 million. It doesn't take any effort to go online and see people are review bombing this show which is pathetic work by small people. I loved andor more than this show but don't tell me that people have stopped watching because the numbers say that the views have been the same or close to the same each week. And you can look online each week for the youtubers who say it's the worst show they've seen but yet continue to watch each week just to rag on it because negative gets the most interactions of their algorithm. Critics have been locked with the audience scores except for two occasions the last jedi and this show. This show has at critics score of 93% and audience score of 19% it doesn't take a genius to realize what going on. And the comments these guys are getting from the same people each week just clearly shows that people are hate-watching the show and reactions to cry and complain that these guys don't feel the way the haters do each and every week. Apparently you don't like tge show but still watching the reactions unless you're just randomly by accident searched on the acolyte reactions to make a comment. If not you just verified my point.
@blitzenspeedster8150 If you want to see lore breaking look at the fan backlash when Ahsoka was introduced. Lucas broke his own universe bringing her on. She is a fan favorite so we overlook it.
@@ghostlee6434 I've been following blindwave since flash season 2 and followed through all the way with the cw superhero shows and watched there reactions on other shows. So I'll get notifications for all there reactions. This show isn't good, like at all. So seeing how many people defend this show in there comment section is wild. Star fans deserve better.
That silence at the end tells everything you need to know about the quality of this episode and show...
For real, I was also left speechless by the end of it. This show is honestly so good and I can't wait for the next episode.
@@RaccoonVtuber Haha, you were that impressed to watch the same episode a second time?? Yeah, I guess us reaction watchers are like that... but to be serious, it was the worst episode so far.
@@Bayard1503 Of course I was, I pretty much watch anything Star Wars more than once (Except for the Resistance cartoon and some Clone Wars episodes cause those are meh)
And wdym about the serious part?
My read of Mother Aniseya's move was that she was doing exactly what Mae asked for... she was turning to mist, along with Mae, so she could take them to the location of the fire that Mae had just told her about (note that we see Mother Koril use the same power to relocated herself, and seemingly all the witches with bows, to another location)... that would also get Mae away from the immediate danger of the escalation that Mother Koril just caused in the courtyard. Sol misread her actions, seeing Mae going to mist as well, seeing Mother Aniseya's actions a threat... so he made a "Choice" in a split second to do what he thought necessary to protect Mae.
This series sucks, not even you guys can pretend to like it anymore. But I understand that you can't say everything you really think because they take away your sponsors. 😒
What are you trying to say?
@@RevanTheFireMage I already changed the text to be more specific with what I'm trying to say.
The force can't be swayed to the dark or the light. When Anakin was made Darth plagueis and Palpatine wanted a dark side force user born to serve them but the force does not do that, it remains neutral and that's how Anakin came to be as a child. Not knowing anything but to be a kid. It's just like Kanan talking to the force user Bendu, "I am the light. I am the dark. I am the Bendu!" Remaining neutral and only helping when it is absolutely necessary. That's how I look at it anyway.
So everything was Sol’s fault?…did the writers..mean to do that??
I think writers simply wanted describe how Sol's motive is almost identical to that of Qimir -- a desire for one's own apprentice/pupil --, and how this personal motive complicates everything around him. The problem seems to be, at least for me, the bad writing that does not deliver what writers set out to achieve, which made master Sol emotional to the extent of stupidity and not so Jedi-master level discipline.
@@testtest-qm7cjyour right. Master Sol started out as possibly the best character, and now..this. (Also didn’t this series start with Sol training like 12 younglings. What were there not enough younglings before so he obsessed over Osha for a second)
I don’t think the writers knew anything they were doing
They writers WANTED you to believe that, but they lack the skills to make it believable so a lot of people cheered when the witches died. I did.
@@kingragnarok7302 their death was slightly weird too. Almost didn’t realize they had died.
How did that fire get so out of control on a stone floor? It definitely looked like some kind of accelerant but why was it there?
The oil from the lamp hit the wiring on the door panel.
@@katieee1203The fire spread on stone slabs and the whole mountain combusted because the wiring was set on fire? Really? Who wrote this crap
@@regansimpson1930and you also hate new hope i trust, because shooting the super secret spot can blow up a death star. Who wrote this crap! 😂
@@patrickmcdaniel5756 Galen built a weakness in the Death Star but I guess you could say that was dumb back when a new hope released so tell me how does that work as an argument for this? How does that even compare to a stone castle getting set on fire? It’s crazy that some peoples only defence for dumb stuff like this is by slamming all the original movies lol. People will go far to bat for Disney Star Wars lol even if they have to bring the OT down to do it.
Depending on how the events of this show end up influencing TPM, I love how the small detail here of the Great Hyperspace Disaster is now potentially the event that may have kicked off the entire Star Wars saga (disaster -> Brendok -> twins -> Jedi mission -> Qimir -> Plagueis? -> Anakin, etc). Because the Jedi would have ignored this planet without the loss and return of life signalling a possible vergence. So nothing to lead Mae to Qimir, etc.
Instead of Plagueis it would likely be Tenebrous
Every saga has a beginning.
That's the biggest stretch I've seen in a while, Qimir -> Plagueis? There's nothing there with what we know so far
@@daepappy I'm just shortcut-summarizing there. There's nothing revealed yet in terms of how Qimir fits into the Sith (if at all). But by Mae going to him, and Qimir learning of the twins, could lead to Plagueis learning of the witches' "test run" of creating life (again, just speaking broadly, not in specifics) or Tenebrous learning of it from Qimir and passing it onto Plagueis, either way which could then lead what happens later (and, at a bare minimum, form the basis for how Palpatine finishes manipulating Anakin to the darkside).
There are still a lot of ifs in there, but it's implied to be a possible (though far from definite) chain of events so far.
@@dwilliams380 Depends on how directly Plagueis learns of the possibility and starts researching it. He could learn it from his master, or from an alternate source like Qimir, etc.
Sophie's Choice: Star Wars Edition
I'm curious how all those witches died at once...
Power of maaaannnyyyy
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The possession thing the witches do reminds me of the Star Wars Rebels episode where Maul takes Ezra to Dathomir, and Kanan and Sabine get possessed by the Nightsister spirits. Same effect on the eyes, except then it was green whereas in this show it is black.
What a good show Rebels 😌
Hey guys I just wanted to say thank you for doing your thing. Makes someone like me who struggles to enjoy SW (or most modern media really) content these days enjoy it all the more. Yalls raw and full investment in the Galaxy Far Far away helps warm my jaded heart and find what there is to love in it. Thank you guys so much for sharing your passion and joy with us.
Sol started to get all creepy uncle.
@heidifedor Yeah, the Jedi are just creepy child abductors.
@@crimsonjedi man, you really bought into the script huh? Cause leaving the very obviously evil witch coven do a ceremony with children is the correct option.
But no, the Jedi are evil cause they kept saying it so it must be true!
I think of the song at the end like Annie Lennox’s Into the West at the end of Lord of the Rings Return of the King. Not necessarily something you’d have in universe but related to the story.
Also Andor’s song Pilgrim was another departure from normal Star Wars music
Or Annie Lennox's song at the end of Bram Stoker's Dracula
How was this related to the story?
Midichlorians are the powerhouse of the force
@@thejuansnow Why did they say M count?
@@crimsonjediit’s a term used commonly now. It’s used a lot in the Bad Batch season 3.
@crimsonjedi because after the prequels they will probably never ACTUALLY say midichlorian ever again, they used the term m count in mandalorian too
It wouldn't kill you guys to say negative things about the show. Everything is not perfect in Star Wars land.
Likewise, not everything is awful in Star Wars land. It wouldn't kill you to realize a group that's famously known for liking Star Wars and not parroting the same negative comments other people make are liking Star Wars
Find me a perfect Starwars show/movie. They all have their flaws. The closest thing to perfection so far has been Rogue One and Andor. Those two beat out the OT even
@@KS-vj2ln The fact you say Andor tells me everything I need to know
Damn what a serie of fuck ups.🙃
Sol: let his prejudice over the coven bring the Jedi to meddle and investigate them.😐
Torbin: gets so afraid after being mind controlled than goes ballistic over the possibility of leaving the place using Osha and Mae as evidence of a vergence.😳
Toril: also goes ballistic. Inciting Mae to attack Osha and she was likely the one who put the fortress into self destruction mode. Her smile while she disappeared was most telling.😳
Aniseya: she was way too passive and lost control of both Mae and Torill, and the coven in the process. 😳
Mae: she did started a fire but lost control of it and she also incited the witches to fight.😲
Sol: fucks up again by confusing Aniseya's gesture as one of attacking while Torbin and Korill are facing each other.😨
Kelnacca: learns nothing from Torbin's failure and end up mind controlled. Forcing Torbin and Sol to hold their hits until Indara arrives to undo the mind control, killing the dozens of witches that were controlling them.😨
Indara: After being the voice of reason before and right after Sol finally comes to his senses she decides the best course of action is to hide the evidence and use Osha as a excuse?😨
And Let's not forget that Toril likely rescued Mae and led her to her revenge path with the Sith Qmir. After all there was no one else on the planet.😱
I loved how this episode showed Sol and Indara having different parenting techniques/styles. Sol is super soft and short from becoming a "soccer mom", believing Torbin´s emotions are valid and the girls need protection, while Indara thinks you can't hold the hand of your kid the whole damn time, you guid them but let them learn by themselves.
Torbin was such a teenager here, stuck camping with his mum when all he wanted was to hang out with his friends.
the many got their ass kicked by the one.
You guys are great. Keep up the good work. May the force .... Richard (Johannesburg, South Africa)
cant blame sol it looked like she was gonna just take out mae with her she just became smoke
@@olivercastillo5883 Exactly!
So torbin in killed himself because…….
He, along with Sol, instigated all of this when they went back for the girls. They caused a lot of turmoil. A community destroyed, people killed. Also what Aniseya did to him was such a surreal and scary expirience. That shit would stay with me for a long time. Thats a lot of baggage to hold onto for 16 years.
Hope that clears it up 👍
@@katieee1203 lol
@@katieee1203 That doesn't clear anything up. What people tell themselves to get behind a dumpster fire like this is incredible.
Sol mistaked Mei for Osha when she came running for help, I think they both been switching places the whole time, 1 person split in 2
Is anybody else curious about who or what is in the giant hole, the witches were worshipping? any guesses?
Loving this show so much, im not ready for the end
I’m glad you like it. I really wanted to.
@@tylerpifer5966it's a good show. It has some issues but overall I'm enjoying it
super interesting details on how good torbin was fighting defensively as a padwan considering the display of his powers we saw in the present , holding his own against all the arrows alone and then against Kelnacca i get a feeling most padwans would probably not have survived that even in the state torbin did
I agree.
Crazy how he survived that wookie jedi who was possessed by witches, to kill the jedi.
Another example of the atrocious writing 🗑
@@beddeb45 How is that bad writing? Kelnacca was up against Sol and Torbin. Sol is the superior fighter and could have ended the fight at anytime, but didn't want to harm Kelnacca.
@@GrandPoppyA A Wookie jedi mind controlled by witches? Are you stupid or just ignorant? He would've easily crushed Torbin's head when he had it pinned and we all know it. Even the guys take notice in that exact scene. Torbins head is getting crushed, yet he has enough strength to withstand that AND block a slash from Kelnacca's saber and holding it for a bit. The writing is horrendous, and it's all right for you to say so as well.
@beddeb45 atrocious comment more like it. Clearly Kelnaca would be resisting the witches as much as possible
The "body-hopping force ghost" thing HAS already happened in SW, thanks to Palpatine's explanation of how the Sith Lords stay alive.
Regarding what the vergence might be. Well, to paraphrase TomSka: Probably the hole.
It's going to be shocking when Osha finds out and confronts Sol, Sol has been my favorite character in The Acolyte but I think it's very clear that Osha will kill him and she is going to become Qimir's Acolyte, I think she will even corrupt Sol's kyber crystal to make her own saber, it can genuinely be a very good season finale i.m.o.
36:05 Good luck at your appointment Rick!
well interesting thing about the Vergence here again, its the same way how Anakin was born or maybe created (by someone, maybe Plageous), vergence also happened on Tatooine and same happened with Anakin`s mother. But here it seems like the witches cult couldn`t control that vergence fully to create life and thats way one consciousness spilt into two bodies.
Mae was trying to destroy that Jedi booklet or whatever it was. She had lost control of the fire. George Lucas had been subverting the Jedi since 1980. The revelation of their flaws is nothing new.
Lmao, the fire still burned stone and steel. It's just bad.
@@homeostvsis Yes, it was bad. But Mae never meant to kill Osha. Her actions regarding the fire could be compared to the Jedi's presence and actions on that planet.
so excited for this reaction!
Coming from a similar budget show with house of the dragon to this, is a complete night and day difference in overall quality and respect for the source material
Just because HOTD doesn't look as good doesn't mean it's not on the same quality. Both are wonderful shows.
@@RaccoonVtuber Wow that point just flew way over your head
You’re right, HotD *does* suck.
@@jasonmarbach Compared to this dumpster fire, HotD is fucking Shakespear in comparison.
@@bongzilla4172 bless your heart 🤣🤡
lol anaseiya referencing Order 66 was a bit much 😂😂😂😂
To me the dark smoke looks like a way for them to travel. Similar to how Charal could turn into a raven. I think mother Aniseya was responding to Mae crying and calling for her help - she was trying to dark smoke Mae to somewhere safe.
Why you guys don't have any criticism towards the show, is it because your expectations are that low ??
Uff I wish I had the same mentality. Jeezzzz I can't with this writing of this show.
It's simple: money and fear. Check most big reactor channels, almost all of them avoid any criticism towards this obviously "poopie" written show.
Ignoring the other guy's response because it's full of bull
The Blind Wave crew aren't part of the Fandom Menace. They don't hate or nitpick for the sake of hating, and actually like the shows for what they are.
They do criticize things occasionally, but they're not a hate channel, there's a ton of those. You're watching Star Wars fans be fans, not Star Wars haters, if you wanted to watch manchildren hate on Star Wars for no reason you could go watch Star Wars theory
@@RaccoonVtuber Being a fan doesn't mean you can't criticize at all, especially the bad writing and acting. And since when all criticism equals hate. And I'm no fan of SW Theory, but saw some videos of his, and he seems down to earth and a big fan of the universe. But he is a hater according to your logic because he doesn't like ALL the SW shows.
@@camouflage1086 Damn I don't remember saying that. Here I thought he was toxic because he used AI Mark Hamill without Hamill's permission (Then played victim when Mark got upset) or because he constantly criticizs or nitpicks shows then defends Lucas-era projects that did the same thing, or because he continues intimidate smaller creators who support current Lucasfilm projects.
But no no, I guess he's toxic because he doesn't like TV shows. Guess that's your logic, or at least my logic according to you. Coolio 👍
@@RaccoonVtuber "he constatntly criticizs or nitpicks shows" Good, shows he loves the universe, really cares for it and wants future projects to be better. Just like in real life, people that really care for you will always tell you the truth, even when it hurts in the short term. It's very simple.
If he can hold two bridges why didnt he just hold the girls with the force instead... this episode was not good at all
Because that would be a good idea and not dramatic at all.
I mean I will say that Korils decision to fight the jedi rather than saving the girls from the fire is... what doomed them too
I don't think Indara killed the witches when she severed the connection. I think they just got knocked unconscious. However, the Jedi did leave them there as the place burned down around them. Dark.
I love you guys so much, and enjoy how you analyse things and bring up interesting discussions. I’m watching along but have had a hard time enjoying the Acolyte, not because it’s bad Star Wars lore and stuff, but because I think the show is badly made. I also watch hotd and in comparison that’s god like. The writing, storytelling, pacing and character decisions in the Acolyte are just plain bad according to me. I respect you wave squadron so much but the lack of any form of criticism is a bit itching.. not for the Star Wars content but for how they choose to deliver it to us fans. But as I said, love your content keep up the good work!
Yeah it’s also how they watch marvel it’s really weird when you put it next to their other reactions
@@regansimpson1930 I started watching Blind Wave when Eric rewatched GoT with Calvin and just thought that their enjoyment and discussions was the best of any reactors out there. They as now talked much about the characters, the world, magic and houses, what the show was about. But more than that Eric never ceased to amaze me with his thoughts regarding the cinematography, acting, music and most of all the storytelling. And this was still true at the end of GoT because they were willing to, not slamming and shit talking (like many others did), but to creatively criticise and remark upon what was good and what was bad. Now it feels like they only focus on what’s good and therefore not even acknowledging what could be better. Perhaps that’s a better feeling but to me it feels like a lie to myself, and as fans, don’t we deserve better?
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"Don't we deserve better?" Do you hear yourself? It's four guys, having fun with a show. That's literally the long and short of it. There's no grand conspiracy, they aren't faking anything. Why should they make criticisms when they don't feel that way?
They are just having a genuine fun time. It really isn't that deep 😂
@@katieee1203 that sentiment was directed towards todays creators of Star Wars not to Wave Squadron, I mean not to bear any ill intent towards them. I’m just stating that they are more than a reaction channel since they have so much knowledge about Star Wars and filmmaking, so the reaction is a small part (still is) but after that they would not only discuss the in universe stuff that we perhaps got to see first time in live-action but also how it was made. As I said before the storytelling is always, no matter what history you’re trying to tell, of uppermost importance. And as I wrote before, criticism doesn’t need to be bashing but a natural way to understand that nothing is perfection