@@ChronoSerum Yup your right, Trump is jacking up prices for everyone with his tariffs. GPU manufacturers are rushing chips across the border right now before he gets in. He thinks everything will be made in America in the future. Good luck with that bro. For any natural resources needed that are difficult to source to America it will be way more expensive. Trump starts a trade war and it will be even harder for him to get those resources. I hope someone close to Trump convinces him to cancel all his dumbass tariff policies before he gets in. But he won't cause it's his excuse to basically bring in a sales tax on everyone so he can cut taxes for the rich.
Yeah, as someone who is playing at 4k, i just pulled the trigger on a Sapphire Pulse 7900xtx. There is no way i'm spending 1000+ bucks for a card with only 16gb. Coming from a 3080 10gb, it'll be nice not to worry about vram for once.
I'm on the ASRock Taichi White 7900XTX and I love it to death. The Sapphire is probably the best one overall, great buy dude, enjoy that raster, it's amazing.
the future of gaming will be driven by AI you can fight it all you want but you are going to be left behind. But hey least you got some raw horsepower.
I still can't believe my RX 7800 XT has the same bus width and VRAM capacity as 4080 and 5080. It's insane how Nvidia gimped both these cards. 4080 should've had 20 GB on 320 bit bus like 7900 XT and 5080 24 GB 384 bit bus like XTX. And its all intentional so they can later sell a Ti or Super version of 5080 that has 24 GB. Invent the problem and then sell the solution.
Bus width is an entirely irrelevant metric when comparing different memory generations, 5080 will have almost twice as fast memory compared to 7800XT despite having the same memory bus. It'll still be slower than a 4090 in raster and massively overpriced but don't blabber, bus width only matters gen-wise.
These horrendous prices will ensure that the cards stick to the shelves like stones. The market is already saturated with sufficiently good 2k cards, which are currently completely sufficient.
Heck my 700 dollar 4060 gaming laptop is enough for me, I don't really get high end hardware personally. I can play whatever game I want at reasonable visual quality settings.
@alvarg No one enters this business to do charity work. Everyone needs money but some of them have to fight for it like Intel and some don't, like nVidia.
Bus width is only half of the story. The other half is memory speed. GDDR7 is much faster than GDDR6X. Thus a card with 256 bit bus and GDDR7 achieves riughly the same bandwidth as a card with 384 bit bus and GDDR6X. 5080 will have roughly the same bandwidth as 4090 - ~1TB/s. That is definitely enough for 4K gaming. And 16GB is no slouch too, at least for now.
@@stangamer1151 It's still not reasonable at the expected pricing, the card will be slower than the 4090 in raster there's no way it can even match it with so few cores. 16GB VRAM is not enough for a luxury 4K card and neither is the 0% generational uplift in cuda cores. Laughable doa product.
4k, 1440p, 1080p is a perspective. Depends what your playing. If it's a 4k card today, it's a 1440p tomorrow, and 1080p next week. So, 4k on say 3-4year old game, 1440p for games of today, and 1080p to games released in the future. It's not set in stone, it's a sliding bar.
Exactly, even mid range cards can easily do 4k in older game titles. Games like max payne 3 which is amazing can be played in 4k on a budget walmart PC nowadays.
Memory bandwidth means quite a lot. For example, 4070 Ti is faster than 3090 Ti at 1080p, but slower at 4K. This happens due to the fact that 4070 Ti provides only 504 GB/s bandwidth, while 3090 Ti - 1TB/s. Twice as much. Thus 3090 Ti looses less frames at higher resolution. These days you need 300-400 GB/s for 1080p, 500-600 GB/s for 1440p and 800-1000 GB/s for 4K. So any card with 800+ GB/s is a 4K card by it's nature.
You don't know the slightest thing about resolution, 1440p is barely slower than 1080p. There's no reason to go for that resolution nowadays it'll soon be as dead as 720p is now. Stick to things you know, bub.
think as long as ya ain't swapping connections/cables around you should be good issues seem to come up when you frequently connect/reconnect that cable
@carlosnazario1170 yeah I've heard that and since i've already connected / disconnected around 10 times now, I'm now waiting for another cable to arrive soon, I'm taking all the precautions needed... thx
I feel like I have stumbled upon a weird channel who has NO idea what he is talking about. Have you ever come across a game where 4080s 16GB of VRAM was not enough? How about without DLSS enabled at native resolution with Path Tracing on? Any game? 11:15 I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. While AMD won;t support FSR4 in 7900XTS, meanwhile RTX 20 series cards will still benefit from latest DLSS and Ray Reconstructions improvements, those cards are 6 years old now and still getting software improvements. 4080 will continue to see improvements even till 6000 series launches. 4080 being 1440p or 4k is also useless, even 4090 will be a 1080p card few years from now. That's how tech works. 1080ti was a 4k card when launched. 7900XTS is not a great value of money card, doesn't support FSR4, bad upscaling, bad ray tracing support and high power usage. I can clearly see you are attached to AMD, good for you. I don't care about any company, my hard earned money goes wherever I get best bang out of the buck. That's Nvidia for now.
My Radeon VII has a 4096 bit bus with HBM2 - that's 1000GB/s bandwidth the same as a 4090 yet it is about the same speed as a 4060/1080ti/6600. It's a compute beast too. ROPs is the bottleneck.
I got an used Rx 6800 last year with 16gb of Vram. Honestly it's been great for the last months, the card even got me Hellblade 2 and Indiana Jones to run at 45 to 60fps, at 1440p with high settings, consuming around 8 to 10gb of its vram. Forza Horizon 5 even got me full raytracing capabilities at 4k in my 65 inch Samsung, which honestly surprised me a lot. Every thing I've been playing lately no problems or issues, for only $250 of the guy who sold it to me. Even in box and the $400 receipt from Best Buy. New cards are just getting very expensive, when you can game with no issues on older generations.
We use to get 384 bit bus in the cards.. now they want to cut that down, but give more memory going from like 6gb to 8 or 10 or 12 or 16.. when the 3090 and 4090 came out, they had that 384 bit bus with 24gb memory.. that is why them cards are so good.. when you cut down the memory and the bus, it cuts down dramatically the frames being generated..
Bus width is a fairly moot point considering it comes down to memory bandwidth. The 16gig vram on the 5080 is a joke though, put some 3 gig vram modules on that thing.
Nvidia hyping up professional level AI, Architectural visualization, Graphic design, Photography on GeForce gaming brand. And some gaming. A card that can do all that will get the premium boosted price tag for sure.
Im very happy with my 7900XTX nitro + bro, and i ONLY buy a new cars when 7900xtx become obsolete for me for my games. For now, for 1440p, 7900xtx its a perfect card for the price for sure and dont have VRAM inssue like NVIDIA does.
I ran a 1060 for 9 years with that same mentality, Helldivers 2 made me start putting together a new build list lmao. Glad o did it. 7900XTX/7800X3D now. 🗿
@@smileydude129 years on a 1060 that seems brutal. That was a 1080p card to begin with & certainly isn’t anymore. Unless you playing small or older games. I would say after 2 generations is a good upgrade time to keep up with new games at same resolution. Unless you got money to blow 🤷🏻♂️
@@mikeramos91 It was a bit of a combination of things: I didn't want to just upgrade the GPU, I wanted a new system since everything in it for the most part was budget: i5 6600, only 1TB storage, cheap cramped case. I tried to stretch my original purchase as long as possible, and ya for a while I was only playing games that had a few years on them so the performance wasn't game breaking for me. All my favorite franchises at that time like Battlefield were just in terrible states so I wasn't playing newer/more demanding games until Helldivers dropped. Then I started to see stuttering and other annoyances so I bit the bullet and planned for a few months before starting to get parts in August.
I sold my pro within a week. 99% of the games I had had no pro support, and won't. And even "pro" games still dropped into 40-50s in cities due to old cpu. To think I spent 800 bucks on that thing haha. Glad I could sell it for same.
@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk why did you sell the pro within a week when you had 28 days to take it back for full refund with a receipt? Dont tell me you lost the receipt?
@@Cranium1210 You know I didn't even feel like returning it, cause I would have embarrassed myself in front of the people there I know. But you're a stranger, so I can tell you this and I'm not effected in any way. I did, I sold it. Built a gaming pc that plays games better for the same price. Since I live near microcetner man, did I get some INSANE deals.
@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk so you could not go to people you apparently know and say the console wasnt living up to expectations and you would like a refund ? Thats embarrassing?
Money talks the only thing that drives the market is how we vote and that is with our cash. We want change stop buying overpriced crap. You've worked your ass off for that hard earned cash best believe these companies are gunna need to put in work to earn my cash. Being patient and researching is the best way to protect yourself in these times gamers.
@adeptuspotatocus6451 yeah the gap in Vram is too big between these cards. If there was no 5080ti with 24gb then the rtx 4090 would be a better option. I wouldn't be buying anything with 16gb personally asif I'm shelling out top dollar I want all the features of a high end card without limitations which is why I chose a rtx 4090. AMD just don't give you enough at their price point and I could never use FSR over native so it would be 1440p gaming on a 7900XTX
@@mrwalker6026 My thought is that Nvidia doesn't want to invest in the tooling to make an in-between die and GB202 yields won't be so bad that they'll make a disabled 384b version. If they do, it won't be for a good while later after they've had time to stockpile lower yielding chips.
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 If there's no 24gb vram option then 4090's will hold value or go up like I've seen lately. I think we'll see a 5080ti for sure maybe late 2025 or early 2026.
spot on, 1440p is why I got the 4080 super for my 5800x3D. knowing my limit and doing my homework, it balanced out with no bottle neck. Plus I have a 5800x with a Rx 7800xt, I traded my 3080 12gb and 3070 ti plus $612 for the 4080 super. skip the 9,000 cpu and 5,000 series for me.
@@giorx5 Those are mere speculations, the leaks are what's correct. They can up the performance with further software optimization but not by over 35% so keep coping but the facts are against you
@@anitaremenarova6662You will see by yourself in a few days what it the real deal. No manufacturer would make their next gen top product so low in the tier of the previous gen. Be logical. Also, it will consume 260(stock)-330W(custom models) when that is what 7900XT consumes made one an older manufacturing node. Do some math.
Theres also an untold value in multitasking to talk about that is crucial yet often ignored. Like for example, running a dual monitor display with animated wallpapers with additional things running in the backround, not particularily gpu or cpu intensive but memory intensive both ram and vram, when I ran out of vram on my old card my preformance would tank and sigificantly on a lot of games but if i closed everything and disabled wallpapers my preformance would increase sigificantly, and I highly doubt my backround stuff and secondary monitor with the wallpapers was causing upwards to 50% preformance drops with horrible lag and stuttering in games I played. Like why does hardly anyone talk about this its an utold value of having more vram if you want to effectively future proof both faming and multitasking preformance at the same time. While 16GBs would be enough for 1440p for the foreseeable future, we knlw as time goes on that wont be the case and it would eventually mean having to scale back on how much luxury you want, overcompensating on vram means you will effectively never have to worry even if the raw horse power of your gpu itself will eventually render that vram buffer pointless for gaming as youll never utilize it effectively without destroying preformance, atleast you can still game without the fear of your backround applications and additional monitor sucking up too much vram as those mentioned hardly impact gaming preformance (this is hardware dependent obviously but you get a basic idea), so its criminal to charge that much for a gpu with only 16GBs of vram. I want to be able to do game and multitask without compromise, I can already predict with 16GBs with new games I'll either have to drop backround stuff entirely or drop the game with little in-between. I know its a little bit more niche as a decent chunk of people aren't rocking dual display setups or triple but for those who are only 16GBs of vram for 1440p who want additional luxuries like I mentioned sorry youre not gonna be able to do it without running out. Like seriously it drives me up the walls insane to see so many people not including this as a metric as well like yeah sure for purely gaming the rtx 5080 ti having only 16GBs lf vram would even then while egrigous wouldnt be an issue for most even pushing 4K textures and etc, but the moment you want a bit more luxury yeah no. Obvioisly once again, not the case right now, but it is garenteed to be in the future which is why I've invested into radeon gpus for the inclusion of more memory bandwidth.
Let's be clear. It's a 4K graphics card. Even the RTX 4080 is a 4K card. The lines are a little blurred now on what a 4K card even is anymore because of upscaling and playing with or without raytracing. It's interesting. If you play without raytracing I'd say even the RTX 4070 can handle 4K at 60fps in all but the most demanding games. I haven't watched the video yet. I'm just commenting on the title now.
At the end of the day the actual performance is what matters. NVIDIA and AMD GPUs aren't designed the same. The 4080 has a gigantic and fast 64MB of L2 cache. The 7900XTX has 6MB of L2 cache. The 4080 will play 4K for another 4 years no problem, it's way faster than a PS5 Pro and has more VRAM.
@@Phil_529 Whether or not an RTX 4080 plays at 4K for another 4 years depends on what your own expectations are more than anything else. There was a time we couldn't say that because only the best cards could even have a hope at playing games in 4K and you had to upgrade to the best card every single generation and there was no DLSS or FSR to help you out. The best you could do back then was to set a custom resolution or just play at 1440p.
@@theonerm2 Obviously it won't keep pace with PC ultra settings but it will consistently deliver way over whatever the PS5 Pro is capable of. People jumped into 4K way too early back in like 2015 and the GPUs just weren't fast enough. Plus they were 60hz screens, yuck. I went 1440p 165hz back then.
@@Phil_529 I jumped into 4K in early 2016 with a GTX 980 Ti. It has been pretty crazy trying to keep up with it. Very expensive. I considered dropping to 1440p several times, but I just hated going backwards. It felt wrong.
Problem is They now conflate Their Developer/productivity Cards in with what was a separate line of enthusiast gamer cards, Proof is in getting rid of Titan and quadro and having a dev driver you can now install instead of normal game drivers. Then adding Dev Card prices to them.
For my money I will just stick with the “this is what I feel comfortable paying for a graphics card” range. My red devil 7800xt checks all the boxes and looks great physically and graphically for $500. Great for mid build, solid for 1440. I will just use that money that I don’t overspend on a new gen best of the best GPU and buy more games to enjoy thoroughly.
VRAM throughput helps greatly when it comes to many professional workloads such as visual effects in davinci resolve, as well as AI workloads which tend to be memory hard computational workload. For those workloads, often you see a larger performance boost from overclocking the VRAM as compared to overclocking the GPU (though it is ideal to overclock both). Beyond that, it is mixed with some games. For example, if a game makes heavy use of VRAM throughput intensive functions such as nanite in Unreal engine 5, then VRAM throughput has really good scaling, though with some games that do not use them, the impact from VRAM overclocking is minimal at best.
VRAM : Think of VRAM as the storage space your graphics card has to hold textures, images, and other data needed for displaying graphics. When gaming at high resolutions like 4K or 1440p, the amount of detail in each frame is much higher, which means more data needs to be stored and accessed quickly. If you don’t have enough VRAM, your system has to work harder to transfer data back and forth between the main RAM and VRAM, which can cause delays and reduce your game's performance, visuals and even be umplayable. Bus Width: Imagine bus width as the number of lanes on a highway. The wider the bus, the more data can travel at once. A graphics card with a wider bus width can transfer data more efficiently, which is crucial when gaming at higher resolutions where more data needs to be processed quickly. If the bus width is too narrow, data gets bottlenecked, and this can cause stuttering or lower frame rates while playing. In essence, more VRAM and a wider bus width means your graphics card can handle more data faster, providing smoother and more detailed gaming experiences, especially at higher resolutions like 4K and 1440p. It's all about keeping the visuals running smooth with less stuttering.
4K is hella overrated cause you get half the Frame rate of 4K while not getting 2x better visuals. The 4090 cannot do 4K without the aid of AI upscaling like dlss and frame generation in the latest games as the latency is very high with those turned on. I truly believe that upscaling will be here forever due to game developers and their game optimisation as well as Nvidia and their disappointing performance and vram for non xx90 cards. Lemme tell you something, you guys that are purchasing the 5090, you will be playing it at 4K most obviously but in 2 years down the line when the 6090 comes out, the 5090 becomes a 1440p card just like the 4090 is becoming like that after 2 years and the cycle continues like that. I will never be buying a 4K pc and 4k monitor, 1440p is the new 1080p and hella underrated in my opinion.
I'm a RTX 4080 super , with a Ryzen 7800X3D owner . I can confirm that gaming at 1440p is very good indeed. I'm pairing that with a oled 1440p g-sync display and its the best set up period. 4K its too taxing for most GPU CPU combos.
Maybe RTX 5070ti 16gb for 800 bucks for me that doesn't sound that bad, taking into account all the circumstances. Sold my RTX 4080 FE that I got on a giveaway for 1000€, now I'm waiting to see what will happen on January 6 at CES, I have to buy something, it's free for me anyway.
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I'm sure the 7900xtx is a great card for the price, but calling 5080 just a 1440p card is just not right when it will come close to 4090 results in gaming. You're not going to play every game at native 4K of course, but even a 4090 doesn't do that and a 7900xtx doesn't as well.
You have a 4090 which lost 8GB, this will kill this card in future games. Pathtracing and frame generation eat VRAM for breakfast additional to high res textures. Its guaranteed that you have to reduce settings while the 4090 will do fine.
@Messametti and? VRAM requirements will rise even more. If you bought a 3090 Ti for example, you didn't really benefit from it at all in terms of future proving. thats why its great to have different options for gpus. Sure if you always want to play on the 7900xtx and you buy tjat for that reason, fine, but eventually the 7900xtx just can't compete with future gpus, then vram doesn't matter. the so called vram advantage is very theoretical and doesn't reallx align with reality or buying habits.
I think most of us know at this point upscaling and frame generation is becoming a necessity for 4k gaming and in that respect Nividia wins comfortably. As far as Vram is concerned I have an rtx 4090 with 24gb of VRAM and I guarantee there will be a rtx 5080ti with 24gb to bridge the gap between the rumoured 32gb of Vram on the rtx 5090. No one can touch Nividia in ray-tracing and upscaling which is what you should be considering when purchasing a card for 4k gaming.
5080 should had 32gb and costed around $950-1200 5090 should had 48gb and costed around $1800-2000 Nvidia should burn, but will not because the gaming market is not even important at this point. If they can ditch it entirely, it will be ok for them, but they are waiting for some kind of backlash first.
Frog i have huge worry about the way Nvidia is try to get people to buy flagship GPU by making the 80 class card straving with VRAM . I remember the 3080TI which was a beast of a card but Nvidia limited it's potential by giving to only 12GB while that GPU was powerful enough to have 16GB or even 20GB . We rather gave the 3090 24GB which was half of the 3080TI . I think the same thing will happen to 5080 and 5090 . Nvidia using AI to cut corners while producing VRAM hungry GPU's . This their new texture compression technology on the 5000 series just anyother way to cut corners instead of proper engineering the card with great VRAM . In my opinion native resolution always works and it looks clean . Using bullshit AI tools to generate fake pixels will always look worse .
Why doesn't every gpu coming out in 2025 have 16gb of vram minimum, i mean even entry level? Then mid range 24 and upper 32. Everyone knows the minimum you want for gaming TODAY is over 8gb, so you whay intel has done is kinda acceptable if it's really "cheap". But really, no one wants anything with less than 16gb because we can all see where things are going. Is it really costing nvidia *that* much to give their cards sufficient ram for gaming for the next few years.
@Frogboyx1gaming rt uses vram and rt is baked in more and more. We are both screwed. Only card worth it is 4090 cus it can handle it. Your card and mine will be obselete. No fanboying just saying it how it is. Mine will be due to vram..your will be due to lack of rt cores. When will it happen...we won't be on a 4080 or an xtx that's all I'm saying.
@@c523jw7How about people just stop playing new games? There are hundreds of incredible games from the past 20 years that I guarantee most people haven't played
People still don't realize how nvidia is trying their best to be the good guy. They're doing everything they can, short of just saying "buy AMD," to help out AMD & Intel, & no one is giving them credit for it. I mean, how bad do they have to be until people catch on? /j
We didn't have a 80's class card last gen, just as this new gen. The 80's class was only pro RTX 5000 (ada gen),102 die with 12800 cudas. I mean look at the 5080 exact the same as 4080S just with blackwell core. they even have the same core count. Would like know the peak core count on the blackwell 203 die.
That title is a bit presumptuous. It hasn't been confirmed to be $1500 USD, also the 4080 is a 4k card so the 5080 with ballpark 4090 rasterization performance and even better path tracing will definitely be a 4k card. Also the bus width isn't as important as actual bandwidth, which the 5080 will definitely have a lot of. It's a 4k card dude.
5080 will be 5 - 10% slower in rast, match in rt of the 4090. 5090 will be 30 - 40% in rast, 50% in rt,dlss. All the work is being into Tensors and Raytrace cores.
For how long though? 16GB is already not enough in some games and even the 4090 struggles to get 4K60 so the 5080 will be a 4K card for a grand total of 2-3 years before you have to decrease settings lots
I definitely wouldn’t buy a 4080 over the xtx unless it was $750USD. The vram is a huge problem. You can see it right now on the used market clear as day. 20gb amd cards that are older than the nvidia counterparts at similar original MSRP are holding their value better. There has to be a reason for that.
Pffft, your PS5 Pro that you and Froggy love only has a 256-bit bus. Doesn't even have the L2 cache boost like NVIDIA cards. Throw it in the garbage, it obviously can't be used on a 4K display.
@@Phil_529 The PS5 PRO is only getting better with the updates it enjoys. You just wait for when Indiana Jones & The Great Circle comes to the PS5 PRO and what the hardware is capable of doing within this engine.
I'd get the PS5 Pro too - given how ridiculously expensive PC hardware is getting - ... but my hundreds of games are already on Steam. So, no choice. 😅
Just beat RE4 remake on my 4080s. Went back to try out RE3 remake and was surprised to see it had more raytracing in the form of GI and reflections. Flipped all the settings to the max at native 1440 ultrawide and stayed at a locked 120fps, not even utilizing 85% of the GPU. No upgrade needed for me. (All of that was true except I use a 7900XTX and not a 4080s) lol
The RT in RE titles is not designed around RDNA 3 or Nvidia 30 or 40 series, it's designed for the RT capabilities of the APUs in the PS5 and Series X so obviously RDNA 3 cards will run it easily. When you go to stuff actually designed for RT cores on PC GPUs AMD fall apart.
@To translate that. “Not designed around” would mean “optimized to run performant.” “Stuff” would mean the 4 or 5 path traced games we have. “Designed for RT cores on PC” would mean Nvidia sponsored path traced games. 😉😉😉 In all fairness I’m just giving you a hard time. I’m fully aware as the RT load increases, AMD’s relative compute performance decreases relative to Nvidia, and pretty heavily. I’m simply making a tongue in cheek statement about how the XTX can run anything fully raytraced at above 60fps and often above 120fps as long as it’s not “those 4” path traced games. And at the moment that’s good enough for me! But anyone who tells me path traced Alan Wake 2 looks 7x better than RE4 remake is losing it imo lol 1 runs at 20fps while 1 runs at 140fps.
@@Reedg333 All true it's just people being impressed as if it's some sort of achievement that irritates me. A lot of the RT in games was designed for ancient console hardware which is why the RT in games like the RE titles looks so thoroughly unimpressive and runs on RDNA 3 no probs, it was made for RDNA2 console APUs. Same reason you can run the built in RT in Indiana Jones at over 100fps on a 7900GRE or 4070TI.
RE3 remake has very light RT, on my RTX4080S I had 130-200fps in this game at 4K native with RT. The most demanding RT games like the witcher 3 or cyberpunk will however run at sub 60fps in 4K, so I need to use DLSS and FG to get 100-120fps, but I cant complain about that since this technology works so well. Even PT games runs quite well with the help of DLSS and nvidia FG.
One thing We both can agree on when it comes to these graphic cards it's best to get the all out best where you don't have to worry do I have enough, that's why I have 7900xtx and the 4090, and I'm good.
i don't care anymore Ces is upcoming then we get actual confirmation to information, Nvidia gpu's have never been attractive to me, cater more to stay at home wanna be Devs, or people who use blender to make x rated content like wtf
What do you think about my build so far. Samsung G7 neo 43inch 144hrz $499, XFX RX 7900XTX Merc $842, Ryzen 7 9800x3d $479, X870E Taichi $449, Antec Flux Pro $179. Planning on getting a Artic liquid freezer 3 420mm (want to future proof in case a better cpu that heats up more) PSU Taichi 1000, and Kingston 62gb ram 6000 cl 30, and MP700 PRO SE.
@Frogboyx1gaming I went with AMD for the same reasons you talked about. I'm not trying to update or do another build for the next 5 to 6 years. I'm coming off a prebuilt 2060 Super from Digital Storm.
I argue that the 5080 isn't gimped by Nvidia. By specs, it fits in line with the 980, 1080, 2080S, 3070Ti, and 4080S. The 16GB feels bad because game devs didn't account for the fact that DRAM capacity increases were slowing down and are overfilling frame buffers. We're looking at nearly 5 years between 2GB GDDR6 chips and 3GB GDDR7. The other problem is the pricing, which doubled between the 3070Ti and 4080. Note: 3070Ti was supposed to be the 3080, but got demoted due to low clocks and bad yields. Compare it to the 2080S. Now, imagine it with an extra 300MHz and optional 16GB VRAM. I think video cards with multiple VRAM options should make a comeback in the mainstream, not just a 4050 masquerading as a 4060Ti with 16GB for an extra $100. How much more would customers pay for clamshell designs with double VRAM? 5070 24GB, 5080 32GB, etc...
@@anitaremenarova6662 The 5080 is rumored to be equal or better than the 4080 in every way with no downsides. To me, gimped means downgraded, which it is not. I agree that it's not impressive and I will not be buying one.
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 You need to look at what the full die size is. 4080(S) was 62,5% of 4090 cores and the 5080 will barely be 50% of 5090 cores. That's what gimped is, the chip keeps getting smaller and smaller each generation, travesty.
@@anitaremenarova6662 I am looking at it. The 5090 is a bloated monster compared to the rest of the stack that should be called the 5100 and will probably be priced like one. As for the 5080, it's still equal or better than the 4080S. As we were saying in that other thread you replied to, there's a huge gap between the two for something in between, closer to a "normal" 102-class die.
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 I agree that they're trying to make the xx90 the new titan card but they're also not giving people options in-between. Stop defending the corporate scum, giving you a measly 20% better performance for 30-40% more money isn't "better in every way" on any account. It's equal in some and worse in others.
I've found esports games to be much better on AMD like FC 25 & COD FC 25 is 100% much smoother as well, I think they use more vram if you have it Again that & other things is why AMD suits me more as a gamer, i'm playing FC 25 most of the time being a football fan
@@Frogboyx1gaming Yeah and if your favourite games seem to perform better on AMD then I guess it makes sense I'm playing Black myth Wukong with DLSS on i've noticed some very weird stuff actually, glitches on the grass and I looked it up and they all said it's happening in chapter 2 with DLSS related to Global Illumination apparently Then saw some patches of grass in the desert for some reason, very weird I put FSR on and it fixed it lol See even DLSS isn't perfect in every game and FSR actually looks ok in this game, it was worse before the latest update but better now Note Actually found out that because I updated game file to DLSS to 3.7 that actually caused the weird patches of grass not loading correctly in the desert so that's good I always did think updating DLSS could cause issues, noticed it in some other games actually Think i'm going too stop doing that now just too avoid it, Devs implementing it is always the best way The grass flickering is actually a bug on default DLSS 3.1 however so that didn't change because I did try it on both DLSS versions, duno why that happens but think it's related to a setting
In my opinion the only people that even need a 5090 are people that are into VR and need the extra RAM and have high-definition headsets like the pimax other than that you don't need that much vram
@@R6ex On the contrary, VRAM costs are going down. UE5 which many are starting to adopt as the industry standard keeps it at reasonable levels even at highest settings.
@@R6ex In a horribly unoptimized mess that doesn't even have a fallback option for older cards. Also as far as I'm aware this issue has been long fixed in a patch.
I think, in part, it is the development of new game engines that have effective performances. These new engines need cards with a lot more horsepower. It is also a lack of optimization with new games that has an effect on performance; games need to be better optimized. I also feel there is some level of planned redundancy with the lack of VRAM in some GPUs. No new generation card should not have less than 12GB of VRAM. We've seen this with older GPUs that are running into VRAM issues. Now as for bus and bandwidth, yes, too small a bus and too little bandwidth can be a bottleneck. I also think scalping had an effect on prices; this showed that people would be willing to pay more money, and marketing took note. Now I do not feel that it is not worth chasing raytracing until it becomes a mid-range feature with native 60 fps and high visual settings; now this is around 2 or maybe 3 generations of GPUs in the future. As for me, I am happy I picked up the 7900XTX. Why Price and Value to Performance at the time, which was well over a year ago, and do hope to get around 4 to 5 more years out of this card. Now a good foreshadowing of GPU hardware requirements is Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. This tells me that we are starting to see game requirements catching up with current hardware. It takes a good number of years to develop a game, so by the time the game came out, the hardware the team was using, which would be top-end, may very well be a few generations old. This part of the plan in developing a game so the game takes advantage of the catch-up factor or the development of hardware; I kind of think of it this way: top-end hardware, given time, sees its performance become equal to the performance of the new generation of midrange hardware. So the game you made will now run on a wider range of hardware and have a larger market.
Definitely a 4k card. Supposed to be similar in performance to a 4090. My 7900xt is a 1440p card. I'm looking to upgrade to the 5080 as it will be a safe 4k upgrade for me.
@lumunos843 16 is more than enough lol. I have 20 on my 7900xt and it's never broken 12. I watch benchmarks all the time, yet to see a 16gb card struggle at all. Or even come close. If a game is using more than that it's badly unoptimized. You should only ever need over 16gb for other stuff beyond gaming that uses far more resources.
@@GrassToucherrr69 most people dont do 8k lol. I couldn't tell it apart from 4k aside from being slower and using more resources. 16gb just fine for 4k. Like I said they put those big vram amounts on for professional creators not gamers.
@@Lockwood360I said the exact same thing with 1440p and 4k before I got exposed. There is a huge difference and it’s immaculate in 8k. 8k upscaled to 16k with the help of dsr is mouth watering.
Frog, i agree vram is important. But for the love of god. Nvidia double the amount of cache to offset the 256bit bus. You need stop comparing AMD with Nvidia they very different architecture.
@@OniiXGaminga m d literally invented the infinity cache concept with the rx 6000 series, that's why nobody thought the rx 6k would be able to keep up with the rtx 3k but it matched it with a much smaller bit bus. Nvidia, of course, copied that with the rtx 4k series
Still loving my 7900xt. I overclocked it and it got me pretty close to 7900xtx levels. I use to be team green but they're greedy motherfuckers and their prices are dumb asf.
Will be interesting to see how the RTX 5080 with 256bit bus GDDR7 compares to a 4090 with 384 bit bus and GDDR6X on 4k benchmarks. AMD is still using GDDR6 non-X so they are now 2 generations of VRAM behind Nvidia.
Tamor Ubuytamorusav from Nvidia wants you guys to not listen to the Frog and have major fomo with every subsequent Nvidia gpu release! The more you buy….. the more you save. 🧥
Anything for clicks tool bags! I don’t need DLSS for my 4080 for any game out now not including games that are terribly optimized. How does 256 bit bus hinder 4K gaming.
Is AMD offering a better option next generation? We all know that the 9070xt or whatever is coming out with 16 gbs of vram and the leaks are comparing it to a 4080.
I play my 4070ti super all day at 4k and yes get way more fps at 1440p but i still use it at 4k and im happy for now so 5080 should beat my 4070ti super in the ground so the 5080 should be 4k no problems.
Info that people don't want to hear: The 5080 won't be that crazy expensive. Price leak says $2799 AUD or $1746 USD. Taking away the VAT you'll end up with $1586. Most likely this will be a partnered GPU, which always cost more than the FE card. Let's take $100 for this roughly, we end up with $1486. Now if we calculate inflation over this number from 2024 to 2020, we end up with 2020 MSRP of $1219 comparing to the $1200 of the 4080 and $1000 of the 4080S. Sure, there is an increase. But in the current market we really shouldn't complain about this all.
And even with later PS5 Pro lunch, cause I not agree the lunch time that Sonny lunch the new console, its good, yes its a good console because for the price you have a great experience and performance with a great quality with a lower power consumption that PC dont have for that price. So for ppl who dont have any console or a old generation console, its really worth it. For who already have Xbox series X or PS5, i think is not worth. Maybe Next generation console it Will be.
I think this dude is smoking to much or sniffing glue to get his AMD boys bashing Nvidia. Sure Nvidia does some shady things like less Vram. But one thing is sertain. They have the best gpu's by a mile. AMD can't catch up so they are downplaying all. AMD will have a 9070XT that will be slower then the 7900XTX and all of the sudden that is smart of AMD 😂 Poor people and misinformed ones buy AMD. Good informed Nvidia. You pay more you get the best. It's that simple. My 4080 Super is a 4K card. The 5080 will be for sure 4090 or higher. But is becomming a 1440P card. I guess the 9070XT will become a 720P card? HD ready? 😂😂🤣🤣
@@karlos1060 4080 a 4k card? Try running Indiana at 4k with PT and Supreme textures. It craps out as it dont have enough memory. Go back to 1440p and use DLSS on your card how it is intented.
@@UndyingGhost You mean the mode that was released unfinished and still will be receiving more patches? Once ray reconstruction is in the game it's going to free up 1GB of VRAM easily. 16GB will be perfectly fine for 4K for another 4 years. You would be way better off dropping the textures from "supreme" to "ultra" and staying at 4K. The only people saying it's intended for 1440p are clueless.
Agreed until you add in ray , path tracing on few select games ( Alan wake , Cyberpunk ) if you want to run native without DLSS . Even on my 1440 p monitor with 4080 Super . At least for me .
@ it true for path tracing but it true for the 4090 24gb to , try same game with path on xtx upscalling wouldnt help it dont works , seen on blackwukong not only cyberpunk n alan wake
Nvidia : Solid 7, acting like a 10.
AMD Radeon : Solid 6, with the heart of gold.
I'll go with the solid 6.
It's actually solid 10 acting like a 10. We agree on the solid 6 on AMD though.
Nvidia is more like a solid 3 but has no competition that's why people think it's a 9 or 10.
@@ChronoSerum If Nvidia is 3 AMD is -3.
@@METALHEADNYC I mean there is no other choice. Wallet will be hurting if you buy the new GPUs coming out with Trump taxes
@@ChronoSerum Yup your right, Trump is jacking up prices for everyone with his tariffs. GPU manufacturers are rushing chips across the border right now before he gets in. He thinks everything will be made in America in the future. Good luck with that bro. For any natural resources needed that are difficult to source to America it will be way more expensive. Trump starts a trade war and it will be even harder for him to get those resources. I hope someone close to Trump convinces him to cancel all his dumbass tariff policies before he gets in. But he won't cause it's his excuse to basically bring in a sales tax on everyone so he can cut taxes for the rich.
The RTX 5080 will have the horsepower to play 4k but 16gb vram is close to becoming 1440p requirement
Exactly
Yeah, as someone who is playing at 4k, i just pulled the trigger on a Sapphire Pulse 7900xtx. There is no way i'm spending 1000+ bucks for a card with only 16gb. Coming from a 3080 10gb, it'll be nice not to worry about vram for once.
You are going to absolutely love it.
I'm on the ASRock Taichi White 7900XTX and I love it to death. The Sapphire is probably the best one overall, great buy dude, enjoy that raster, it's amazing.
Same Asrock 7900XTX for $849. I own like one game with Ray Tracing.
@@smileydude12probably true. The nitro plus one.
the future of gaming will be driven by AI you can fight it all you want but you are going to be left behind. But hey least you got some raw horsepower.
I still can't believe my RX 7800 XT has the same bus width and VRAM capacity as 4080 and 5080. It's insane how Nvidia gimped both these cards. 4080 should've had 20 GB on 320 bit bus like 7900 XT and 5080 24 GB 384 bit bus like XTX. And its all intentional so they can later sell a Ti or Super version of 5080 that has 24 GB. Invent the problem and then sell the solution.
Bus width is an entirely irrelevant metric when comparing different memory generations, 5080 will have almost twice as fast memory compared to 7800XT despite having the same memory bus. It'll still be slower than a 4090 in raster and massively overpriced but don't blabber, bus width only matters gen-wise.
Yep
You can't say this because the 4080 Super and the 5080 have WAY faster ram than what we have.
@@anitaremenarova6662 bus width matters for higher resolution gaming, also the 5080 will be at the price of when the 4090 came out which is stupid
@nephilimslayer To an extent, but it's not everything.
These horrendous prices will ensure that the cards stick to the shelves like stones. The market is already saturated with sufficiently good 2k cards, which are currently completely sufficient.
Absolutely 💯 1440p is in its prime right now and truly over saturated with amazing cards
Heck my 700 dollar 4060 gaming laptop is enough for me, I don't really get high end hardware personally. I can play whatever game I want at reasonable visual quality settings.
Unfortunately they will still sell.
graphics enthusiasts will ensure these sales ;)
might be a hot take but Nvidia never cared about gamers, they have been doing anti consumer practices since the early 2000s
@alvarg No one enters this business to do charity work.
Everyone needs money but some of them have to fight for it like Intel and some don't, like nVidia.
Linus Torvalds said it pretty well many years ago with the F word.
256 bit bus size is crazy work lmao. Half the 5090 bus size at 1500+ probably
Bus width is only half of the story. The other half is memory speed. GDDR7 is much faster than GDDR6X. Thus a card with 256 bit bus and GDDR7 achieves riughly the same bandwidth as a card with 384 bit bus and GDDR6X. 5080 will have roughly the same bandwidth as 4090 - ~1TB/s. That is definitely enough for 4K gaming. And 16GB is no slouch too, at least for now.
@@stangamer1151 It's still not reasonable at the expected pricing, the card will be slower than the 4090 in raster there's no way it can even match it with so few cores. 16GB VRAM is not enough for a luxury 4K card and neither is the 0% generational uplift in cuda cores. Laughable doa product.
@@stangamer1151 Waiting for reviewers to test this at 1440p/4K to see any differences in loading textures, frame spikes.
@@stangamer1151 The 4080 is enough for 4k gaming, but these morons want to tell you the 5080 won't be?? God I hate people.
4k, 1440p, 1080p is a perspective. Depends what your playing. If it's a 4k card today, it's a 1440p tomorrow, and 1080p next week. So, 4k on say 3-4year old game, 1440p for games of today, and 1080p to games released in the future. It's not set in stone, it's a sliding bar.
It's 4k in todays games.
@@DsLmaNiaC exactly
Exactly, even mid range cards can easily do 4k in older game titles. Games like max payne 3 which is amazing can be played in 4k on a budget walmart PC nowadays.
Memory bandwidth means quite a lot. For example, 4070 Ti is faster than 3090 Ti at 1080p, but slower at 4K. This happens due to the fact that 4070 Ti provides only 504 GB/s bandwidth, while 3090 Ti - 1TB/s. Twice as much. Thus 3090 Ti looses less frames at higher resolution.
These days you need 300-400 GB/s for 1080p, 500-600 GB/s for 1440p and 800-1000 GB/s for 4K.
So any card with 800+ GB/s is a 4K card by it's nature.
You don't know the slightest thing about resolution, 1440p is barely slower than 1080p. There's no reason to go for that resolution nowadays it'll soon be as dead as 720p is now. Stick to things you know, bub.
I'll stick with my 4090 paired with my 2k Ultrawide for at least 5 years and just hope that my shitty 12VHPWR connector won't burn... loll
Right you should be fine.
think as long as ya ain't swapping connections/cables around you should be good issues seem to come up when you frequently connect/reconnect that cable
As long as there isnt a bend and you have it plugged in you should be fine
@carlosnazario1170 yeah I've heard that and since i've already connected / disconnected around 10 times now, I'm now waiting for another cable to arrive soon, I'm taking all the precautions needed... thx
4090 on 2k monitor it will serve you well. Probably til 70 series
I feel like I have stumbled upon a weird channel who has NO idea what he is talking about.
Have you ever come across a game where 4080s 16GB of VRAM was not enough? How about without DLSS enabled at native resolution with Path Tracing on? Any game?
11:15 I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. While AMD won;t support FSR4 in 7900XTS, meanwhile RTX 20 series cards will still benefit from latest DLSS and Ray Reconstructions improvements, those cards are 6 years old now and still getting software improvements.
4080 will continue to see improvements even till 6000 series launches.
4080 being 1440p or 4k is also useless, even 4090 will be a 1080p card few years from now. That's how tech works. 1080ti was a 4k card when launched.
7900XTS is not a great value of money card, doesn't support FSR4, bad upscaling, bad ray tracing support and high power usage.
I can clearly see you are attached to AMD, good for you. I don't care about any company, my hard earned money goes wherever I get best bang out of the buck. That's Nvidia for now.
This is the best and smartest channel you have ever seen. It only takes a few weeks to fully come around.
My Radeon VII has a 4096 bit bus with HBM2 - that's 1000GB/s bandwidth the same as a 4090 yet it is about the same speed as a 4060/1080ti/6600. It's a compute beast too. ROPs is the bottleneck.
I got an used Rx 6800 last year with 16gb of Vram. Honestly it's been great for the last months, the card even got me Hellblade 2 and Indiana Jones to run at 45 to 60fps, at 1440p with high settings, consuming around 8 to 10gb of its vram.
Forza Horizon 5 even got me full raytracing capabilities at 4k in my 65 inch Samsung, which honestly surprised me a lot.
Every thing I've been playing lately no problems or issues, for only $250 of the guy who sold it to me. Even in box and the $400 receipt from Best Buy.
New cards are just getting very expensive, when you can game with no issues on older generations.
We use to get 384 bit bus in the cards.. now they want to cut that down, but give more memory going from like 6gb to 8 or 10 or 12 or 16.. when the 3090 and 4090 came out, they had that 384 bit bus with 24gb memory.. that is why them cards are so good.. when you cut down the memory and the bus, it cuts down dramatically the frames being generated..
Bus width is a fairly moot point considering it comes down to memory bandwidth. The 16gig vram on the 5080 is a joke though, put some 3 gig vram modules on that thing.
Nvidia hyping up professional level AI, Architectural visualization, Graphic design, Photography on GeForce gaming brand. And some gaming. A card that can do all that will get the premium boosted price tag for sure.
That Ai bubble is gonna burst so badly, and deservedly.
That’s who they have been going after in the market over the last few odd years.
Im very happy with my 7900XTX nitro + bro, and i ONLY buy a new cars when 7900xtx become obsolete for me for my games. For now, for 1440p, 7900xtx its a perfect card for the price for sure and dont have VRAM inssue like NVIDIA does.
Im planning on getting this but im not sure if getting a nitro is worth a couple hundred more. Is it just cooling this model is great for?
@@Aethelbeornnitro + is the best model and coolest you can get bro. But if it is too much, try and see model ASRock taichi, its good also.
I ran a 1060 for 9 years with that same mentality, Helldivers 2 made me start putting together a new build list lmao. Glad o did it. 7900XTX/7800X3D now. 🗿
@@smileydude129 years on a 1060 that seems brutal. That was a 1080p card to begin with & certainly isn’t anymore. Unless you playing small or older games. I would say after 2 generations is a good upgrade time to keep up with new games at same resolution. Unless you got money to blow 🤷🏻♂️
@@mikeramos91 It was a bit of a combination of things:
I didn't want to just upgrade the GPU, I wanted a new system since everything in it for the most part was budget: i5 6600, only 1TB storage, cheap cramped case. I tried to stretch my original purchase as long as possible, and ya for a while I was only playing games that had a few years on them so the performance wasn't game breaking for me. All my favorite franchises at that time like Battlefield were just in terrible states so I wasn't playing newer/more demanding games until Helldivers dropped. Then I started to see stuttering and other annoyances so I bit the bullet and planned for a few months before starting to get parts in August.
As a PS5 Pro gamer I missed the bus here 😂
Right
I sold my pro within a week. 99% of the games I had had no pro support, and won't.
And even "pro" games still dropped into 40-50s in cities due to old cpu.
To think I spent 800 bucks on that thing haha. Glad I could sell it for same.
@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk why did you sell the pro within a week when you had 28 days to take it back for full refund with a receipt? Dont tell me you lost the receipt?
@@Cranium1210 You know I didn't even feel like returning it, cause I would have embarrassed myself in front of the people there I know.
But you're a stranger, so I can tell you this and I'm not effected in any way.
I did, I sold it.
Built a gaming pc that plays games better for the same price. Since I live near microcetner man, did I get some INSANE deals.
@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk so you could not go to people you apparently know and say the console wasnt living up to expectations and you would like a refund ? Thats embarrassing?
1440p? what did we smoke today?
Money talks the only thing that drives the market is how we vote and that is with our cash. We want change stop buying overpriced crap. You've worked your ass off for that hard earned cash best believe these companies are gunna need to put in work to earn my cash. Being patient and researching is the best way to protect yourself in these times gamers.
RTX 5080 16gb Vram
RTX 5080ti 24gb Vram
RTX 5090 32gb Vram
Basically this. There's a 384b wide hole in the lineup. Fill that void then we can go back to complaining about prices.
@adeptuspotatocus6451 yeah the gap in Vram is too big between these cards.
If there was no 5080ti with 24gb then the rtx 4090 would be a better option.
I wouldn't be buying anything with 16gb personally asif I'm shelling out top dollar I want all the features of a high end card without limitations which is why I chose a rtx 4090.
AMD just don't give you enough at their price point and I could never use FSR over native so it would be 1440p gaming on a 7900XTX
@@mrwalker6026 My thought is that Nvidia doesn't want to invest in the tooling to make an in-between die and GB202 yields won't be so bad that they'll make a disabled 384b version. If they do, it won't be for a good while later after they've had time to stockpile lower yielding chips.
@@adeptuspotatocus6451
If there's no 24gb vram option then 4090's will hold value or go up like I've seen lately.
I think we'll see a 5080ti for sure maybe late 2025 or early 2026.
Nice fanfic except there won't be a 5080ti, 5080 super later in 2026 maybe.
spot on, 1440p is why I got the 4080 super for my 5800x3D. knowing my limit and doing my homework, it balanced out with no bottle neck. Plus I have a 5800x with a Rx 7800xt, I traded my 3080 12gb and 3070 ti plus $612 for the 4080 super. skip the 9,000 cpu and 5,000 series for me.
Exactly you have the right mindset for it you will definitely be much happier going forward
I have 4080 super and use a 240 Hz 1440p monitor . I’m great and happy with that . Should be good for a couple years
You’ll be good for a while.
8800 XT with 4080 performance at $500 and I'm switching. Nvidia is deliberately making their products obsolete.
Maybe $600 for 9070XT but either way if it ends up being as fast as 4080, it will be the bargain for any financially sensible gamer.
Leaks say 7900GRE performance so it'll be matching 7900XT at the very best scenario. AMD is gone lol
@@anitaremenarova6662 Other leaks say it matches 4080 so wait for a few days eh?
@@giorx5 Those are mere speculations, the leaks are what's correct. They can up the performance with further software optimization but not by over 35% so keep coping but the facts are against you
@@anitaremenarova6662You will see by yourself in a few days what it the real deal. No manufacturer would make their next gen top product so low in the tier of the previous gen. Be logical. Also, it will consume 260(stock)-330W(custom models) when that is what 7900XT consumes made one an older manufacturing node. Do some math.
Theres also an untold value in multitasking to talk about that is crucial yet often ignored. Like for example, running a dual monitor display with animated wallpapers with additional things running in the backround, not particularily gpu or cpu intensive but memory intensive both ram and vram, when I ran out of vram on my old card my preformance would tank and sigificantly on a lot of games but if i closed everything and disabled wallpapers my preformance would increase sigificantly, and I highly doubt my backround stuff and secondary monitor with the wallpapers was causing upwards to 50% preformance drops with horrible lag and stuttering in games I played. Like why does hardly anyone talk about this its an utold value of having more vram if you want to effectively future proof both faming and multitasking preformance at the same time.
While 16GBs would be enough for 1440p for the foreseeable future, we knlw as time goes on that wont be the case and it would eventually mean having to scale back on how much luxury you want, overcompensating on vram means you will effectively never have to worry even if the raw horse power of your gpu itself will eventually render that vram buffer pointless for gaming as youll never utilize it effectively without destroying preformance, atleast you can still game without the fear of your backround applications and additional monitor sucking up too much vram as those mentioned hardly impact gaming preformance (this is hardware dependent obviously but you get a basic idea), so its criminal to charge that much for a gpu with only 16GBs of vram.
I want to be able to do game and multitask without compromise, I can already predict with 16GBs with new games I'll either have to drop backround stuff entirely or drop the game with little in-between. I know its a little bit more niche as a decent chunk of people aren't rocking dual display setups or triple but for those who are only 16GBs of vram for 1440p who want additional luxuries like I mentioned sorry youre not gonna be able to do it without running out. Like seriously it drives me up the walls insane to see so many people not including this as a metric as well like yeah sure for purely gaming the rtx 5080 ti having only 16GBs lf vram would even then while egrigous wouldnt be an issue for most even pushing 4K textures and etc, but the moment you want a bit more luxury yeah no. Obvioisly once again, not the case right now, but it is garenteed to be in the future which is why I've invested into radeon gpus for the inclusion of more memory bandwidth.
Let's be clear. It's a 4K graphics card. Even the RTX 4080 is a 4K card. The lines are a little blurred now on what a 4K card even is anymore because of upscaling and playing with or without raytracing. It's interesting. If you play without raytracing I'd say even the RTX 4070 can handle 4K at 60fps in all but the most demanding games. I haven't watched the video yet. I'm just commenting on the title now.
At the end of the day the actual performance is what matters. NVIDIA and AMD GPUs aren't designed the same. The 4080 has a gigantic and fast 64MB of L2 cache. The 7900XTX has 6MB of L2 cache. The 4080 will play 4K for another 4 years no problem, it's way faster than a PS5 Pro and has more VRAM.
@@Phil_529 Whether or not an RTX 4080 plays at 4K for another 4 years depends on what your own expectations are more than anything else. There was a time we couldn't say that because only the best cards could even have a hope at playing games in 4K and you had to upgrade to the best card every single generation and there was no DLSS or FSR to help you out. The best you could do back then was to set a custom resolution or just play at 1440p.
@@theonerm2 Obviously it won't keep pace with PC ultra settings but it will consistently deliver way over whatever the PS5 Pro is capable of.
People jumped into 4K way too early back in like 2015 and the GPUs just weren't fast enough. Plus they were 60hz screens, yuck. I went 1440p 165hz back then.
@@Phil_529 I jumped into 4K in early 2016 with a GTX 980 Ti. It has been pretty crazy trying to keep up with it. Very expensive. I considered dropping to 1440p several times, but I just hated going backwards. It felt wrong.
@@theonerm2 I'd say trying to play The Witcher 3 at 4K 30fps would feel wrong. 1440p was absolutely the better choice back then.
16GB 5080 will be a stutter-fest real soon .....
Problem is They now conflate Their Developer/productivity Cards in with what was a separate line of enthusiast gamer cards, Proof is in getting rid of Titan and quadro and having a dev driver you can now install instead of normal game drivers. Then adding Dev Card prices to them.
Because that's where the money is. That's why AMD decided to ditch RDNA and going UDNA.
For my money I will just stick with the “this is what I feel comfortable paying for a graphics card” range. My red devil 7800xt checks all the boxes and looks great physically and graphically for $500. Great for mid build, solid for 1440. I will just use that money that I don’t overspend on a new gen best of the best GPU and buy more games to enjoy thoroughly.
You can’t go wrong with that choice.
VRAM throughput helps greatly when it comes to many professional workloads such as visual effects in davinci resolve, as well as AI workloads which tend to be memory hard computational workload. For those workloads, often you see a larger performance boost from overclocking the VRAM as compared to overclocking the GPU (though it is ideal to overclock both).
Beyond that, it is mixed with some games. For example, if a game makes heavy use of VRAM throughput intensive functions such as nanite in Unreal engine 5, then VRAM throughput has really good scaling, though with some games that do not use them, the impact from VRAM overclocking is minimal at best.
Absolutely.
VRAM :
Think of VRAM as the storage space your graphics card has to hold textures, images, and other data needed for displaying graphics.
When gaming at high resolutions like 4K or 1440p, the amount of detail in each frame is much higher, which means more data needs to be stored and accessed quickly.
If you don’t have enough VRAM, your system has to work harder to transfer data back and forth between the main RAM and VRAM, which can cause delays and reduce your game's performance, visuals and even be umplayable.
Bus Width:
Imagine bus width as the number of lanes on a highway. The wider the bus, the more data can travel at once.
A graphics card with a wider bus width can transfer data more efficiently, which is crucial when gaming at higher resolutions where more data needs to be processed quickly.
If the bus width is too narrow, data gets bottlenecked, and this can cause stuttering or lower frame rates while playing.
In essence, more VRAM and a wider bus width means your graphics card can handle more data faster, providing smoother and more detailed gaming experiences, especially at higher resolutions like 4K and 1440p. It's all about keeping the visuals running smooth with less stuttering.
4K is hella overrated cause you get half the Frame rate of 4K while not getting 2x better visuals. The 4090 cannot do 4K without the aid of AI upscaling like dlss and frame generation in the latest games as the latency is very high with those turned on.
I truly believe that upscaling will be here forever due to game developers and their game optimisation as well as Nvidia and their disappointing performance and vram for non xx90 cards.
Lemme tell you something, you guys that are purchasing the 5090, you will be playing it at 4K most obviously but in 2 years down the line when the 6090 comes out, the 5090 becomes a 1440p card just like the 4090 is becoming like that after 2 years and the cycle continues like that. I will never be buying a 4K pc and 4k monitor, 1440p is the new 1080p and hella underrated in my opinion.
4K is entirely a waste of performance unless you're playing on a TV or a similarly large display.
Tends to be an expensive hobby. 😂😂😂. I wonder if that crowd is going to get the 9950x3d.
funny how people are only now realizing nvidia (corporate america) is greedy 🙈
Kinda weird how some say any corporation can’t do wrong. 😂😂😂
I'm a RTX 4080 super , with a Ryzen 7800X3D owner . I can confirm that gaming at 1440p is very good indeed. I'm pairing that with a oled 1440p g-sync display and its the best set up period. 4K its too taxing for most GPU CPU combos.
Absolutely my friend 1440p is actually awesome. 4k is just too much
Never going to touch this stuff unless I win the lotto. I'll let the Fanboys do their thing.
Right
So, 88% of all dedicated GPU users are fanboys?
@@leonfrancis3418 88% of dedicated GPU users don't have a xx80
Maybe RTX 5070ti 16gb for 800 bucks for me that doesn't sound that bad, taking into account all the circumstances. Sold my RTX 4080 FE that I got on a giveaway for 1000€, now I'm waiting to see what will happen on January 6 at CES, I have to buy something, it's free for me anyway.
5070ti is the best bet, almost the same specs as 5080 for much, much cheaper.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Yep i agree and probably stronger then RTX 4080 by 10-15 percent with some new feature set. We will know and see all next week.
@@sjuric2435 faster, not stronger
Let's be Honest here Frog , you miss your RTX 4080 / Super, you only wished you had it back 😂😂
Maybe a little
Nah, 7900xtx or 4090, otherwise bust
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Those are entirely different performance tiers lol
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I'm sure the 7900xtx is a great card for the price, but calling 5080 just a 1440p card is just not right when it will come close to 4090 results in gaming. You're not going to play every game at native 4K of course, but even a 4090 doesn't do that and a 7900xtx doesn't as well.
You have a 4090 which lost 8GB, this will kill this card in future games. Pathtracing and frame generation eat VRAM for breakfast additional to high res textures. Its guaranteed that you have to reduce settings while the 4090 will do fine.
@Messametti and? VRAM requirements will rise even more. If you bought a 3090 Ti for example, you didn't really benefit from it at all in terms of future proving. thats why its great to have different options for gpus. Sure if you always want to play on the 7900xtx and you buy tjat for that reason, fine, but eventually the 7900xtx just can't compete with future gpus, then vram doesn't matter.
the so called vram advantage is very theoretical and doesn't reallx align with reality or buying habits.
@@david53444and the 6950xt. Was eventually better than the 3090ti. Since the fine wine overtime.
32gb is an overkill... You will never utilize that much Vram, basically paying for paperweight
Mainly for professionals, AI, etc.
I think most of us know at this point upscaling and frame generation is becoming a necessity for 4k gaming and in that respect Nividia wins comfortably.
As far as Vram is concerned I have an rtx 4090 with 24gb of VRAM and I guarantee there will be a rtx 5080ti with 24gb to bridge the gap between the rumoured 32gb of Vram on the rtx 5090.
No one can touch Nividia in ray-tracing and upscaling which is what you should be considering when purchasing a card for 4k gaming.
5080 should had 32gb and costed around $950-1200
5090 should had 48gb and costed around $1800-2000
Nvidia should burn, but will not because the gaming market is not even important at this point. If they can ditch it entirely, it will be ok for them, but they are waiting for some kind of backlash first.
Bro 32gb?? you realize most games are made based on console specs, right? you will NEVER EVER use more than 20gb of VRAM even on 4k.
@@nimaahmadi-s7o Until devs start using 4k textures for everything
I have been saying that for a couple years now. Gamers for them is an after thought. Let’s go after the professionals, AI, etc.
People just love defending Nvidia. Don't bother with those deranged fanboys.
Looks like I will never be able to buy a GPU.
Frog i have huge worry about the way Nvidia is try to get people to buy flagship GPU by making the 80 class card straving with VRAM .
I remember the 3080TI which was a beast of a card but Nvidia limited it's potential by giving to only 12GB while that GPU was powerful enough to have 16GB or even 20GB .
We rather gave the 3090 24GB which was half of the 3080TI .
I think the same thing will happen to 5080 and 5090 .
Nvidia using AI to cut corners while producing VRAM hungry GPU's .
This their new texture compression technology on the 5000 series just anyother way to cut corners instead of proper engineering the card with great VRAM .
In my opinion native resolution always works and it looks clean . Using bullshit AI tools to generate fake pixels will always look worse .
If 3080TI had 20gb of VRAM that card would absolutely still be a monster just like the 3090 and 3090ti still are capable 4k cards.
They are definitely cutting corners
Nvidia can poish a turd all they want with A.I, doesn't change the fact its still is a turd.
I stick with my 7900XTX in 2025 and switch to UDNA when it comes out
Why doesn't every gpu coming out in 2025 have 16gb of vram minimum, i mean even entry level? Then mid range 24 and upper 32. Everyone knows the minimum you want for gaming TODAY is over 8gb, so you whay intel has done is kinda acceptable if it's really "cheap". But really, no one wants anything with less than 16gb because we can all see where things are going. Is it really costing nvidia *that* much to give their cards sufficient ram for gaming for the next few years.
watching the fight against kang-jin star was painful
Are you getting the next gen flagships from either company ?
Probably 5070 and 9070XT and possibly the B770 from intel
You even said the xtx is not as good as the 4080 as a 4k card. Did several videos on it 😂.
I said i would only recommend a 4080 Super for 4k with DLSS LOL 😆 😂 🤣
@Frogboyx1gaming it keeps up with xtx even raster though ?🤷♂️
@c523jw7 for now
@Frogboyx1gaming rt uses vram and rt is baked in more and more.
We are both screwed.
Only card worth it is 4090 cus it can handle it.
Your card and mine will be obselete.
No fanboying just saying it how it is.
Mine will be due to vram..your will be due to lack of rt cores.
When will it happen...we won't be on a 4080 or an xtx that's all I'm saying.
@@c523jw7How about people just stop playing new games?
There are hundreds of incredible games from the past 20 years that I guarantee most people haven't played
1440p ultra wide is especially 3k in terms of rendered pixels. It's definitely harder to render than 1440p.
Absolutely
It's 15-20% more demanding.
People still don't realize how nvidia is trying their best to be the good guy. They're doing everything they can, short of just saying "buy AMD," to help out AMD & Intel, & no one is giving them credit for it.
I mean, how bad do they have to be until people catch on?
/j
We didn't have a 80's class card last gen, just as this new gen. The 80's class was only pro RTX 5000 (ada gen),102 die with 12800 cudas. I mean look at the 5080 exact the same as 4080S just with blackwell core. they even have the same core count. Would like know the peak core count on the blackwell 203 die.
lol no way I am spending $1500 for a card with just 16 gig of vram on it.
That title is a bit presumptuous. It hasn't been confirmed to be $1500 USD, also the 4080 is a 4k card so the 5080 with ballpark 4090 rasterization performance and even better path tracing will definitely be a 4k card. Also the bus width isn't as important as actual bandwidth, which the 5080 will definitely have a lot of. It's a 4k card dude.
5080 will be 5 - 10% slower in rast, match in rt of the 4090. 5090 will be 30 - 40% in rast, 50% in rt,dlss. All the work is being into Tensors and Raytrace cores.
For how long though? 16GB is already not enough in some games and even the 4090 struggles to get 4K60 so the 5080 will be a 4K card for a grand total of 2-3 years before you have to decrease settings lots
@@anitaremenarova6662 Nice lies. Never had a limit with 16gb
I definitely wouldn’t buy a 4080 over the xtx unless it was $750USD. The vram is a huge problem. You can see it right now on the used market clear as day. 20gb amd cards that are older than the nvidia counterparts at similar original MSRP are holding their value better. There has to be a reason for that.
VRAM absolutely still matters my friend
All this makes my plug n play PS5 pro purchase even sweeter. 😊
Pffft, your PS5 Pro that you and Froggy love only has a 256-bit bus. Doesn't even have the L2 cache boost like NVIDIA cards. Throw it in the garbage, it obviously can't be used on a 4K display.
Nice!
@@Phil_529 The PS5 PRO is only getting better with the updates it enjoys.
You just wait for when Indiana Jones & The Great Circle comes to the PS5 PRO and what the hardware is capable of doing within this engine.
@@cezarstefanseghjucan We've already seen it with Alan Wake II. Lower than low RT settings lol. The path tracing mode isn't coming to Ps5 Pro ever.
I'd get the PS5 Pro too - given how ridiculously expensive PC hardware is getting - ... but my hundreds of games are already on Steam. So, no choice. 😅
so another year where the rx 6800 and 7800 reign supreme lol
Which are the games in this video here?
Black myth wukong and Assassin's Creed Odyssey
I just hope Fsr 4 is available for the 7000 series.
It will be
Can't wait to see what they all have in store for us. AMD Nvidia and Intel let's see what they have.
and people will pay scalpers $2500 for them. I'll keep struggling with my AMD GPU I guess.
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Just beat RE4 remake on my 4080s. Went back to try out RE3 remake and was surprised to see it had more raytracing in the form of GI and reflections. Flipped all the settings to the max at native 1440 ultrawide and stayed at a locked 120fps, not even utilizing 85% of the GPU. No upgrade needed for me. (All of that was true except I use a 7900XTX and not a 4080s) lol
Yeah my friend AMD can trace rays too.
The RT in RE titles is not designed around RDNA 3 or Nvidia 30 or 40 series, it's designed for the RT capabilities of the APUs in the PS5 and Series X so obviously RDNA 3 cards will run it easily.
When you go to stuff actually designed for RT cores on PC GPUs AMD fall apart.
@To translate that. “Not designed around” would mean “optimized to run performant.” “Stuff” would mean the 4 or 5 path traced games we have. “Designed for RT cores on PC” would mean Nvidia sponsored path traced games. 😉😉😉 In all fairness I’m just giving you a hard time. I’m fully aware as the RT load increases, AMD’s relative compute performance decreases relative to Nvidia, and pretty heavily. I’m simply making a tongue in cheek statement about how the XTX can run anything fully raytraced at above 60fps and often above 120fps as long as it’s not “those 4” path traced games. And at the moment that’s good enough for me! But anyone who tells me path traced Alan Wake 2 looks 7x better than RE4 remake is losing it imo lol 1 runs at 20fps while 1 runs at 140fps.
@@Reedg333 All true it's just people being impressed as if it's some sort of achievement that irritates me. A lot of the RT in games was designed for ancient console hardware which is why the RT in games like the RE titles looks so thoroughly unimpressive and runs on RDNA 3 no probs, it was made for RDNA2 console APUs. Same reason you can run the built in RT in Indiana Jones at over 100fps on a 7900GRE or 4070TI.
RE3 remake has very light RT, on my RTX4080S I had 130-200fps in this game at 4K native with RT. The most demanding RT games like the witcher 3 or cyberpunk will however run at sub 60fps in 4K, so I need to use DLSS and FG to get 100-120fps, but I cant complain about that since this technology works so well. Even PT games runs quite well with the help of DLSS and nvidia FG.
One thing We both can agree on when it comes to these graphic cards it's best to get the all out best where you don't have to worry do I have enough, that's why I have 7900xtx and the 4090, and I'm good.
If you spent money on 150 new games why are you crying about gpu prices? Even if half of that was full price on release thats 5k.
I am not crying about GPU Pricing LOL. Brother I can buy what I want and AMD is what I want.
i don't care anymore Ces is upcoming then we get actual confirmation to information, Nvidia gpu's have never been attractive to me, cater more to stay at home wanna be Devs, or people who use blender to make x rated content like wtf
What do you think about my build so far. Samsung G7 neo 43inch 144hrz $499, XFX RX 7900XTX Merc $842, Ryzen 7 9800x3d $479, X870E Taichi $449, Antec Flux Pro $179. Planning on getting a Artic liquid freezer 3 420mm (want to future proof in case a better cpu that heats up more) PSU Taichi 1000, and Kingston 62gb ram 6000 cl 30, and MP700 PRO SE.
Sounds like an absolute beast
@Frogboyx1gaming I went with AMD for the same reasons you talked about. I'm not trying to update or do another build for the next 5 to 6 years. I'm coming off a prebuilt 2060 Super from Digital Storm.
Every card is 1080p/30 card if one does not know what they're doing making a game, or cripple it on purpose.
7:30
4080 can do real time path tracing at 1440p, not just 1080p.
Albeit at 30fps without DLSS
Why are you so obsessed with bus width? Go track down the GTX 280 from 2008 -- it has a 512-bit bus so clearly it's the greatest GPU of all time!! /s
I don't know honestly but I am and so far that has served me good
He needs the views, all blabbering and no substance.
I won't buy Nvidia until they stop ripping us off.
I argue that the 5080 isn't gimped by Nvidia. By specs, it fits in line with the 980, 1080, 2080S, 3070Ti, and 4080S. The 16GB feels bad because game devs didn't account for the fact that DRAM capacity increases were slowing down and are overfilling frame buffers. We're looking at nearly 5 years between 2GB GDDR6 chips and 3GB GDDR7. The other problem is the pricing, which doubled between the 3070Ti and 4080.
Note: 3070Ti was supposed to be the 3080, but got demoted due to low clocks and bad yields. Compare it to the 2080S. Now, imagine it with an extra 300MHz and optional 16GB VRAM.
I think video cards with multiple VRAM options should make a comeback in the mainstream, not just a 4050 masquerading as a 4060Ti with 16GB for an extra $100. How much more would customers pay for clamshell designs with double VRAM? 5070 24GB, 5080 32GB, etc...
It absolutely is gimped, 0% generational uplift in cores or VRAM is utterly laughable.
@@anitaremenarova6662 The 5080 is rumored to be equal or better than the 4080 in every way with no downsides. To me, gimped means downgraded, which it is not.
I agree that it's not impressive and I will not be buying one.
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 You need to look at what the full die size is. 4080(S) was 62,5% of 4090 cores and the 5080 will barely be 50% of 5090 cores. That's what gimped is, the chip keeps getting smaller and smaller each generation, travesty.
@@anitaremenarova6662 I am looking at it. The 5090 is a bloated monster compared to the rest of the stack that should be called the 5100 and will probably be priced like one. As for the 5080, it's still equal or better than the 4080S.
As we were saying in that other thread you replied to, there's a huge gap between the two for something in between, closer to a "normal" 102-class die.
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 I agree that they're trying to make the xx90 the new titan card but they're also not giving people options in-between. Stop defending the corporate scum, giving you a measly 20% better performance for 30-40% more money isn't "better in every way" on any account. It's equal in some and worse in others.
if 1440p card what the hell is the 7900xtx, 720p?
4k 384bit bus 24gb VRAM
I've found esports games to be much better on AMD like FC 25 & COD
FC 25 is 100% much smoother as well, I think they use more vram if you have it
Again that & other things is why AMD suits me more as a gamer, i'm playing FC 25 most of the time being a football fan
I find that my Ubisoft games really like AMD
@@Frogboyx1gaming Yeah and if your favourite games seem to perform better on AMD then I guess it makes sense
I'm playing Black myth Wukong with DLSS on i've noticed some very weird stuff actually, glitches on the grass and I looked it up and they all said it's happening in chapter 2 with DLSS
related to Global Illumination apparently
Then saw some patches of grass in the desert for some reason, very weird
I put FSR on and it fixed it lol
See even DLSS isn't perfect in every game and FSR actually looks ok in this game, it was worse before the latest update but better now
Note
Actually found out that because I updated game file to DLSS to 3.7 that actually caused the weird patches of grass not loading correctly in the desert so that's good
I always did think updating DLSS could cause issues, noticed it in some other games actually
Think i'm going too stop doing that now just too avoid it, Devs implementing it is always the best way
The grass flickering is actually a bug on default DLSS 3.1 however so that didn't change because I did try it on both DLSS versions, duno why that happens but think it's related to a setting
People have to stop being stupid and buy Intel or AMD for 1 or 2 generations to teach nvidia a lesson, and trust me they will change their way.
In my opinion the only people that even need a 5090 are people that are into VR and need the extra RAM and have high-definition headsets like the pimax other than that you don't need that much vram
Not for today, but will be in the future.
@@R6ex On the contrary, VRAM costs are going down. UE5 which many are starting to adopt as the industry standard keeps it at reasonable levels even at highest settings.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Indiana Jones already using 20GB VRAM at 4K highest settings.
@@R6ex In a horribly unoptimized mess that doesn't even have a fallback option for older cards. Also as far as I'm aware this issue has been long fixed in a patch.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Sure. Bet the 19GB VRAM usage Cyberpunk game is also another "horribly unoptimized mess".
My 8gb 256bit 580 is a card of legend at this point.
I am not going to upgrade until ps6.
I think, in part, it is the development of new game engines that have effective performances. These new engines need cards with a lot more horsepower. It is also a lack of optimization with new games that has an effect on performance; games need to be better optimized.
I also feel there is some level of planned redundancy with the lack of VRAM in some GPUs. No new generation card should not have less than 12GB of VRAM.
We've seen this with older GPUs that are running into VRAM issues. Now as for bus and bandwidth, yes, too small a bus and too little bandwidth can be a bottleneck.
I also think scalping had an effect on prices; this showed that people would be willing to pay more money, and marketing took note.
Now I do not feel that it is not worth chasing raytracing until it becomes a mid-range feature with native 60 fps and high visual settings; now this is around 2 or maybe 3 generations of GPUs in the future. As for me, I am happy I picked up the 7900XTX. Why Price and Value to Performance at the time, which was well over a year ago, and do hope to get around 4 to 5 more years out of this card.
Now a good foreshadowing of GPU hardware requirements is Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. This tells me that we are starting to see game requirements catching up with current hardware.
It takes a good number of years to develop a game, so by the time the game came out, the hardware the team was using, which would be top-end, may very well be a few generations old. This part of the plan in developing a game so the game takes advantage of the catch-up factor or the development of hardware; I kind of think of it this way: top-end hardware, given time, sees its performance become equal to the performance of the new generation of midrange hardware. So the game you made will now run on a wider range of hardware and have a larger market.
Ever since 2080 ti we have 4k card 🤌
Definitely a 4k card. Supposed to be similar in performance to a 4090. My 7900xt is a 1440p card. I'm looking to upgrade to the 5080 as it will be a safe 4k upgrade for me.
16gb is not a safe upgrade for 4k but safe for 1080p.
@lumunos843 16 is more than enough lol. I have 20 on my 7900xt and it's never broken 12. I watch benchmarks all the time, yet to see a 16gb card struggle at all. Or even come close. If a game is using more than that it's badly unoptimized. You should only ever need over 16gb for other stuff beyond gaming that uses far more resources.
@@Lockwood360 I game in 8k. The 16gb is not viable. Now if it’s the RTX 5090 then we’re talking. 😍 32gb vram.
@@GrassToucherrr69 most people dont do 8k lol. I couldn't tell it apart from 4k aside from being slower and using more resources. 16gb just fine for 4k. Like I said they put those big vram amounts on for professional creators not gamers.
@@Lockwood360I said the exact same thing with 1440p and 4k before I got exposed. There is a huge difference and it’s immaculate in 8k. 8k upscaled to 16k with the help of dsr is mouth watering.
If the tech is good, it prob worth the price but i'll wait for official benchmark
Frog, i agree vram is important. But for the love of god. Nvidia double the amount of cache to offset the 256bit bus. You need stop comparing AMD with Nvidia they very different architecture.
I am not falling for that.
@@Frogboyx1gaming you don't have to fall for that. Is literally there Google it. Check the massive jump from the 3000 to 4000 series.
@@OniiXGaminga m d literally invented the infinity cache concept with the rx 6000 series, that's why nobody thought the rx 6k would be able to keep up with the rtx 3k but it matched it with a much smaller bit bus.
Nvidia, of course, copied that with the rtx 4k series
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br exactly... You are absolutely correct. Every time he talks about it it melts my 🧠
It's way more than double. 3080 had 5MB of L2 cache. 4080 has 64MB. 7900XTX is 6MB of L2 cache.
Yea I’m planning on upgrading this new gen because I’m on a 3080 10g and vram Is a issue so we’ll see I guess
I am still on m ASUS Tuff 3080 and it plays everything at 4k sufficiently. Might wait one more generation
Still loving my 7900xt. I overclocked it and it got me pretty close to 7900xtx levels.
I use to be team green but they're greedy motherfuckers and their prices are dumb asf.
Will be interesting to see how the RTX 5080 with 256bit bus GDDR7 compares to a 4090 with 384 bit bus and GDDR6X on 4k benchmarks. AMD is still using GDDR6 non-X so they are now 2 generations of VRAM behind Nvidia.
I bet it does pretty well
Bro it hasn't even been released yet...ya'll need to chill with the rumors. Guess at the end of the day views matter more than facts.
Don't be stupid, it will be great at 4k. And who TF cares what bit it is, the performance matters not how it does it.
Tamor Ubuytamorusav from Nvidia wants you guys to not listen to the Frog and have major fomo with every subsequent Nvidia gpu release!
The more you buy…..
the more you save. 🧥
Couldn’t have said it better myself 😂and it’s not a 4K card. Not at all. If I have to turn all the settings off to make it special it ain’t it.
Anything for clicks tool bags! I don’t need DLSS for my 4080 for any game out now not including games that are terribly optimized. How does 256 bit bus hinder 4K gaming.
So, to get the 5090 will I have to sell my 4090 and prolly my kidney? Thanks, I'll keep my organs though.
Most likely but at least you will still have 1 kidney left unless you already sold that one for the 4090
@@Frogboyx1gaming Nope, no GPU is worth my body integrity.
Is AMD offering a better option next generation? We all know that the 9070xt or whatever is coming out with 16 gbs of vram and the leaks are comparing it to a 4080.
Don't really know sadly
Leaks are comparing it to the 7900 GRE (aka the 4070S). It's not a 4080 competitor at all.
If you’re talking like an XTX. Wait til UDNA
@@onomatopoeia162003 Thanks, I’ll have to look that up I’m not sure what that is.
Nvidia is the best
I play my 4070ti super all day at 4k and yes get way more fps at 1440p but i still use it at 4k and im happy for now so 5080 should beat my 4070ti super in the ground so the 5080 should be 4k no problems.
Nah more like 720p
Info that people don't want to hear: The 5080 won't be that crazy expensive.
Price leak says $2799 AUD or $1746 USD. Taking away the VAT you'll end up with $1586. Most likely this will be a partnered GPU, which always cost more than the FE card. Let's take $100 for this roughly, we end up with $1486.
Now if we calculate inflation over this number from 2024 to 2020, we end up with 2020 MSRP of $1219 comparing to the $1200 of the 4080 and $1000 of the 4080S. Sure, there is an increase. But in the current market we really shouldn't complain about this all.
I think we need 24gb VRAM for that price
And even with later PS5 Pro lunch, cause I not agree the lunch time that Sonny lunch the new console, its good, yes its a good console because for the price you have a great experience and performance with a great quality with a lower power consumption that PC dont have for that price. So for ppl who dont have any console or a old generation console, its really worth it. For who already have Xbox series X or PS5, i think is not worth. Maybe Next generation console it Will be.
If the 5080 is a 1440p card than the 7900XTX belongs at 1080p. LOL
I think this dude is smoking to much or sniffing glue to get his AMD boys bashing Nvidia. Sure Nvidia does some shady things like less Vram. But one thing is sertain. They have the best gpu's by a mile. AMD can't catch up so they are downplaying all. AMD will have a 9070XT that will be slower then the 7900XTX and all of the sudden that is smart of AMD 😂
Poor people and misinformed ones buy AMD. Good informed Nvidia. You pay more you get the best. It's that simple. My 4080 Super is a 4K card. The 5080 will be for sure 4090 or higher. But is becomming a 1440P card. I guess the 9070XT will become a 720P card? HD ready? 😂😂🤣🤣
@@karlos1060 4080 a 4k card? Try running Indiana at 4k with PT and Supreme textures. It craps out as it dont have enough memory. Go back to 1440p and use DLSS on your card how it is intented.
@@UndyingGhost You mean the mode that was released unfinished and still will be receiving more patches? Once ray reconstruction is in the game it's going to free up 1GB of VRAM easily.
16GB will be perfectly fine for 4K for another 4 years. You would be way better off dropping the textures from "supreme" to "ultra" and staying at 4K.
The only people saying it's intended for 1440p are clueless.
4080super run every games in 4k high or ultra setting ,
With upscaling, otherwise it can't run ultra or high settings.
@ it run every game at 4k at high without upscaling
Agreed until you add in ray , path tracing on few select games ( Alan wake , Cyberpunk ) if you want to run native without DLSS . Even on my 1440 p monitor with 4080 Super . At least for me .
@ it true for path tracing but it true for the 4090 24gb to , try same game with path on xtx upscalling wouldnt help it dont works , seen on blackwukong not only cyberpunk n alan wake
You will buy one cause the "channel" you keep giving money to evil jensen 🤑 😂
5080 will be fine for 4k with RT off or DLSS as it will almost be a 4090...but yeah, still too expensive lol
Upscaling is a plague, any cheaper card can run 4K with it there's no reason to buy it if it can't do native.