Denafrips Terminator Plus Vs Holo Audio May KTE
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- In this video we will overview the main characteristics of the Denafrips Terminator Plus and then we will confront it with the Holo Audio May Kitsuné Tuned Edition digital to analog converter. Which is the best DAC?
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Whoever voiced the Denafrips sound created the Denafrips legacy; it's sound signature. I own the Venus II.
Great sense of physicality from the Terminator, I would have sweared it was the May. The Mola Mola you mentioned is another very good one, very physical and nuanced in sound. All the three far from my reach, I have to stick with my Qutest (which is a nice stiching to my ears and my pockets). Nice comparison Guido, thank you for sharing
I listened to the downloadable files, and I agree with your description of the Terminator Plus's timbre and detail on those surface-touch particulars, they were less THERE on the May KTE. But I also felt that the piano felt a little sharp, at least in contrast to the May KTE, which sounded a bit more rounded and natural on that instrument, at least on MY system. I felt that the bass was actually handled better on the Terminator Plus, being more textured and less bloated than the May KTE. I'm not sure which I'd pick if I was in the market for a DAC of this caliber. In my opinion there is quite a discernible difference between these two DACs. I was able to guess which was which, only from having heard descriptions of them from other reviewers. FYI: I have frequency roll-offs in both of my ears, one at 11khz and the other at 8khz, along with mild tinnitus.
I compared the two recordings with the original file on an audio editing software (seeing the waveform and also hearing them). May is really closer to the source, while Terminator deviates more. Its bass is significantly louder than the source as well. The transients seem more clear, but they are "clearer" than the original. So, the Terminator seems to add some flavor to the sound, making the transients more sharp and the bass more warm.
Denafrips is colored for sure
I have Pontus II for over a year now and it does exactly same. But I do not like the effect, over time it becomes very fatiguing.
I don't know what you have listened to, but Denafrips' dynamics is far superior and just what it should be. May sounds flat in comparison, with somehow artificial flavor left in mouth. Honestly, power section on the Holo is not quite up to the task and it's quite audible
Yes the dynamic may be better but as another commentator said this could cause fatigue.
All that from a TH-cam video!?
The key for me was the bass. The Holo May bass sounds much smoother and more natural. The Denafrits bass sound in my opinion is a little more impactful but harsher and becomes quickly fatiguing. When listening on my Ipad/Airpods Max setup, I actually preferred the Denafrits because of the perceived higher dynamism. However, listening to my Chord Mojo / THX amp / HD6xx, I clearly preferred the more sophisticated bass of the Holo May. The relative harshness of the Denafrits bass became obvious.
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You were the first to bring the May to my attention. Even though you talk funny, I'm glad I finished the video. It'll be here three days after my birthday.
Thanks.
I am mainly Italian, maybe that is why
Interesting info…but way out of my price range! 😁 I do own a Pontus II, though…and I just wanted to thank you for your recent references to RiCable (in spite of the RIOT it caused in the comments. LOL!). I ordered a .5M Supreme HDMI to connect my Pi2Design Mercury Streamer (pre-ordered, should receive in early May), to my Pontus II. Can't wait for that to happen! The RiCable cable got to New Jersey SUPER fast via DHL, is impressively made and we’ll packaged! 👍🏼 ALSO, THANKS for Ponta Box! Listening as I type this. What a high-quality, enjoyable recording. SWEET! 🙂
mercury streamer quality is amazing, using it with bnc right now to an audial dac
Both are nice 👍 2 for sound ..I usually listen 🎧 with my eyes 👀 closed for all the comparisons to be objective 😍😍😍😍
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS GUIDO 🤗😍😍😍
Interesting. Your description of the cymbals on the Terminator + matched exactly what I heard...with track 1. I thought the May was the more lifelike, and the Denafrips more controlled, with more of an oversampling hifi type sound.
Both DAC's are incredible, but I feel that the wow factor of the Terminator Plus would fatigue my ears pretty quick. Maybe it's a little overly hifi... like it's trying to prove a needles point.
The Holo May seems to draw you into the music and keep there for hours to seduce you til 2am.
Well, this is only my impression from the TH-cam presentation, but I much preferred the Terminator -- it seemed more precise and involving. The highs in particular seemed more detailed and in general I enjoyed it more.
You might like to take a listen to a comparison of the Terminator with the Chord Dave over at Headquarter Audio, where I preferred the Dave. But the cost of the Dave is astronomical (£10K) and who am I kidding -- I'd never spend that amount on a DAC, nor even the lesser amount for the Holo May or the Terminator.
I drew the line at around the £700 I spent on the Earmen Tradutto for my main system, and the Topping E30 (c £100) on my desktop system -- ironically, I listened to this video and the one at Headquarter Audio using the latter...
Another nice video!!! I can easily recognize the Terminator sound
Holo’s USB is amazingly good!
Based on earlier reviews between the two DAC's, I was kicking my self for getting Denafrips Terminator 2, and not getting the Holo Audio May KTE. I was even planning on selling my Denafrips and purchasing Holo Audio May KTE. But after listening to the two tacks using headphones, I am very happy that I did not sell the T2. I would like to thank you a lot for putting my mind at ease. For my ears the Denafrips sounds very much better with lot more clarity and lot more separation between the instruments. During the comparison, I was thinking track 1 is by Denafrips and the track 2, was by May. I was pleasantly surprised. Once again thank you very much for the video. I also have the Avatar CD player, and the combo of the T2 and Avatar is nothing like I have heard to date (Even better than PS SACD Transport outputting DSD/use same CD on both machines). I also have access to very high end audio stores and I do frequently visit them to compare my system. I have to say I heard a system worth 300k and my system sounds a lot better, not personal bias. But showers careful component selection and matching could compete or out do a poorly put together system costing considerably more. Also one more note, you purchased your May so you are sending the Denafrips back. I have learned my very costly lesson not to purchase components based on online reviews like Willsenton R800i 300B 805, Yamaha CD-S2100 SACD player and PS Audio SACD Transport. So I have learned to take all online reviews with a pinch of Salt. Only trust my ears. Thank you any away. Oh bye the way my PS Audio SACD transport is for sale if anyone is interested.
Thanks for your input. I am sure your system is better than the 300k one. Careful synergy built in time is priceless!
Loved the reference recording you chose, sir!
awesome job. great clarity on your presentation and spot on on your sonic analysis.
I'm owner of t+ and kte. Denafrips for me sound more realistic and fun
Thx for the vid. Titanis 2.0 - probably not just marketing.. What about Audio - GD are u planning to try their R7HE?
Maybe, but as you probably know I am not a huge fan of digital. Every know and then I try to test something.
There is more air and roundedness in the Track 2 sample, just more life. So I guess I like the Terminator sound. The Holo Audio May sounds more boxed in to me.
Agreed about openness and high end resolution. I’ll keep my Denafrips. :-)
Hi Guido,
First of all, I want to say that I learned a lot by watching your videos. I was interested in Denafrips Terminator Plus for a while, but decided to buy a Holo May KTE on your recommendations. I contacted Tim and he provided it to me in a very short time. I thank you both. My DAC is still in the burning period and ı am very very pleased with it. ı now need a streamer without a DAC to complete my setup. What would your advice be? Thank you for all your input. I am eagerly waiting for your new videos. Thanks!
Thank you very much for your words. As you probably know, I try to keep it real an honest. I am probably not the best source for streaming gear. I can just echo the quality of Lumin and Auralic streamers, which very expensive. In the end I personally went for a Peoject Stream Box S2 Ultra. Decent interface and good sonics. Generally speaking I just don't like the sound of streaming so I just don't feel motivated in that direction.
hmm....The fact that you are not that much into streaming makes you the better reviewer. :-)
you're open and honest in your communication to your subscribers. Why not explain to what you hear and dislike with streaming ?
just as an example. I'm very skeptical about cables. especially for cables in the digital domain. I recently bought a silver HDMI cable for my denafrips. (I2S)
Why ? because a critical reviewer advised it. and guess what ?. I hear the difference, I learned !
@@hansbogaert4582 good idea! The problem is that people think I am biased because I have an "analog" channel while I do enjoy quality digital playback. But you are right, it's worth a try!
Lumin U2 mini is a fantastic streamer.
Sonore man and the galvanic isolation is the clear winner. Try the galvanic solution discussed on Audiogon’s forum. You’ll be shocked what $100 can do first.
For some reason, in a classified forum here in Australia, there were many used Holo May for sale but none for the Denafrips Terminator plus. Some even want to trade in their May for the Terminator Plus after having listened to both. The Denafrips is more relaxing, slightly wider soundstage and non fatiguing with better bass. The Holo May bass sounds a bit boomy to me. I would vote for the Terminator Plus.
The same impression of May's bass. Even listening to youtube audio with Aiwa Exos9 4.60 Bluetooth speaker. Overall: I liked track 2 better.
Denafrips sounded more right to me. The plucked notes were more believable and the bass seems more understandable from the Terminator. The May seemed slow for some reason, like it worked at keeping up with the music. Thanks for music demo as part of this comparison.
I picked out the right one from another review. The highs of the Terminator is more detailed than the May. It is more subtle on the May. But we must take the thing that fits best to the rest of the system and our own preferences.
Your comment about the USB input on the Denafrips is interesting. An audio engineer friend in Shenzhen made a bespoke 1541 DAC for me. He tried 3 different USB cards before he find a type that met his standards. I guess it is the most difficult input to get right.
i think throwing this money on those DAC, the owner will throw a bit more on a DDC
@@fatdoi003 Thats a better choice for the price..get a good DDC and DAC and it'll be way less that these and you'll get the same quality audio. I have an Audio-gd DAC and their DDC, all-in, for under $2k easy. Trust me, the sonics are top top notch. If you know what you're doing you don't need an all in one solution.
What kind of SACD with USB or I2S output you have? Are you sure you didn't replace the tracks into the downloadable file?
No replacement. I have an Oppo105D but I use this trick to send DSD: th-cam.com/video/KAqr8MP-in4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gu9LXmOyX3TkreFV
What's your DSD recorder?
The one that you recorded tapes on old video you've released?
I had a RME ADI2pro FS. Gone now.
Ciao Guido ! When will you do a Mola Mola Tambaqui test?
Thanks!
I know a TH-cam comparison doesn't mean much - especially given how long the recordings were, but I felt the Denafrips was noticeably nicer somehow as, again, this isn't the best way to demo a system. Going into it I felt like I would have been leaning towards the May. I know this was an XRCD and not an SACD, and I've heard the May has an amazing DSD DAC. I wouldn't know until I've tested them both. From this VERY makeshift demo though, I did prefer the Terminator +. I'd have to try both before committing that much $$$ either though.
Friend, so you'd recommend May over Terminator for straight USB connection?
Yes, but the differences are subtle
@@anadialog Thanks pal, good job on your videos
Friend, were these tests done via the same input and was May in NOS while T+ in OS which is reportedly the optimal settings on both? In other words, apples to apples..
I use strictly the USB in connection with an Innuos Zenith 3, The May is superior in using that connection.
Very briefly: in my time it was solid vs tube... this looks like it: Holo (= solid) vs Denafrips (= tube). If both are good (and thay are), the differences are minimal and it's a matter of preference. Cheers.
Can you pls compare with MPD-8 Playback Designs?
MPD-8 is better, as it should be for 3x the price...Dummy
Anyone want to dicuss the Analog to digital conversion of these great sounding music via r2r dacs, brick wall filters, delta sigma etc, does the original conversion makes all the difference, as a fairly cheap dac would sound excellent.
What loudspeaker do you use
Goldenear Triton Reference
BUT, the KTE has a preamp, right? This eliminates another component, cables, power cord, iso devices...
No it's just a DAC which operates at line level and no volume knob.
Only the Spring 3 DAC (any edition) has an optional factory-installed preamplifier module, at a cost. The May DAC is meant to be paired with the Serene preamplifier, which can also be used as a headphone amplifier with an adapter!
9:32 Alvin has to be drinking at this point
12:07 14:01
Any measurements??? I didn't think so.
Nope! Not my style nor my competence, especially for digital. We have Amir for that! ;-)
@@anadialog I didn't know you were a team. So many Stereophile writers get embarrassed when JA1"s measurements come out. Even Amir has called out a few for recommending poorly designed gear.
Does anyone sit there wondering what the sample rate is???
Of the test tracks? Natively the tracks come from a CD. After conversion I re-converted them in 96Khz/24bits like the files for download along with the original CD track.
I have feeling that vast majority of youtube reviewers copy paste each other on equipment they rewiev, like there are ten DACs, or speakers, or amps made, in the world.
Probably! What I can say is that I did not watch one single review. I did read a few articles at the end of my assessment.
12:07 14:02
12:46 14:40
16:08
3:30 so far all Cereal
let's get to the point
T+A iDac 200
Your wishes may be granted...;-)
@@anadialog nice bro)))
DSD who cares l usb since recent firmware update ,no linger an issue.
T+ sounds better than May by a big margin. T+ has higher details and warm tone.😊
Have you listened to both?
I truly don’t think this guy knows that much opinions are worth-0 I heard both and totally disagree, your Loudspeakers will dictate what dac is best for you ,the T&A 200dac is better then both and just under $7k and is much more versatile then both !!
🤣 what kind of comment is that!?
Т+ окрашен, верх торчит, мягкий теплый, без баса из за поднятых высоких, полный окрас, но середина натуральная! Май искусственный, звук, середина не естественная, звук чуть отодвинут от слушателя, мутная середина, оба плохие, чёрт Почему не могут сделать нормальный правильный звук, они там глухие что ли 😢😢😢 Т+А 200 вот ориентир им, китайцы учитесь!!!
th-cam.com/video/VKqMzj75FwU/w-d-xo.html&feature=share9
Wow, expensive for China junk. You could buy Merason DAC (Swiss) or Mytek for those prices.
All those brands you mentioned have the same "junk" inside of them from China. But go ahead and keep underestimating us, it's worked so far lol
@@jctai100 Please keep doing what you're doing with pushing back the boundaries of hifi with Chinese made R2R Dacs!
Open a Holo May and pls tell me if you still think it's junk. If you still do, you have a serious problem.
@@trun1979 it features special components selected by people in USA ...Regardless, would never spend that cash on a no name brand. I'm sure Mytek, Chord, Merason, McIntosh are better.
Another nice video Guido, i can easly recognize the Termy!!!
I'm a Pontus II owner for about 8 months. Interestingly enough, the second the first bass note hit I knew it was the Denafrips. I had no idea there was a signature sound across the brand until I heard it. A rounder, fuller, warmer bass. Mind you, my TV does not go through the DAC. It goes through a Yamaha receiver. Thanks for another great video.
Listened to both for quite some time before purchasing the Terminator +. They're very close, but when combining the Gaia and T+ it tips the scales.
i'm t plus + gaia owner. Its sound amazing, a little better overall then may kte
Thanks for the excellent review and sound demos. Based on the other comments, you can conclude without a doubt that sound is subjective and no two brains work the same. I was leaning towards Holo for its class-leading measurement but was surprised to find track 1 sounded less realistic straight off the bat. When track 2 came it was instant warmth and the realism of the sound of the stick coming off the drum skin was mind-blowing. The one major thing that put me off Denafrips is I am also a gamer and apparently there's a lag issue with all Denafrips that made it impossible for gaming use and that is something that is inherent so can't be fixed by firmware (from my understanding).
I really appreciate the diligence you apply to your reviews. You are a fantastic source of information. I hope you are able to review the Luxman D10x one day (I have one and I'm curious to know how it compares to lower priced reference level DACs).
Did anyone else think track 1 sounded more like a live performance than track 2? I downloaded the files to compare.
no, second track more reality and quality
@@kabardink well… for me track 2 was simply better. There was simply more life in it. That’s the way I see it
I liked track 2
Great that you didn't mention which is which before the monitoring ! I thought the first one sounds very pleasing to the ears with a robust bass, and the second one sounds more natural or a bit more realistic with somewhat blurry bass. Of course through my gears !! I was curious about both dacs, but now I'm kind of prepared what to expect from each of them. Good job, and many many domos !
blurry may come from the lowest bass extension presence (married to the acoustics of the listening room), which comes from powerful bass range transients being present in the sound, which also create bass fullness and presence, but not necessarily the sharpest definition, because a lot is of concern to get both the deepest extension and the definition
12:07 12:46 track 1
14:02 14:41 track 2
What about the differences in 3 dimensionality between the two?
I have the Spring 3 KTE and I’m more than happy with it. I use it with a Danafrips Gaia DDC and it’s amazing!
Others here have mentioned the Holo as better at that. Maybe my ear is too much used to high quality analog, but it is just not as deep and wide as analog sources. Apart from that, if I have to make a choice, yes, the May was a little better but again IMO very similar apart from the elements highlighted in the video.
I use the GAIA with my Chord Qutest (And Plixir Elite BDC power supply for the Qutest), to great effect!!
Holo May it's absolutely amazing dac, his sound is so mesmerizing and magical 😍
Very nice and sweet music 😊
the denafrips can further be improved by adding the DDC Denafrips Hermes or Denafrips Gaia
Apple Music lossless
T+ seems emphasise micro details but it isn't coming across natural to me. It's almost like a digital layer on top especially in the highs. May seems to be more analogue sounding. I have a Pontus 2 at the moment and I'm looking at different upgrade paths. Perhaps the Venus2/Terminator 2 variant doesn't push the detail so far? Otherwise the May as a vinyl lover has gotten my attention.
As a Terminator+ owner I agree with the "crystal clear" highs that it reproduces. So much that I decided to add a pair of REL subwoofers. This wasn't a new decision; I've been thinking about adding a pair of REL subs even before I added the Terminator+ to my stereo set-up. I use a pair of JBL 4365 monitors with 15-inch woofers. One may think that the 15-inch woofers would handle the bass perfectly without the addition of subwoofers, but I find with proper blending of the subs it helps tremendously. Now I have the great highs and lows I've been looking for.
I've heard great things about the Mola Mola DAC. Hopefully you can get your hands on one for a test run. I would be very interested in your thoughts.
Adding subwoofers can’t correct the problem from a bright DAC.
@@牧園-m4x
Does it "change" the DAC, no, but it does *off-set* the sound with "more proficient" bass. Thus, the brightness projected by the DAC is challenged.
Great review. As an old analogist that I am, used to turntables and RtR, who has never completely "digested" digital, I wanted to listen without prevention. With the limits of the medium I have (MAC / pro and 700 mb / sec dowload) I listened with good headphones and.... track 1 (IMHO) seems to me more defined in the low range, deeper, more full-bodied and better connected to the other ranges. Track 2 is better defined in the high range, perhaps more articulated, perhaps faster. I like more track 1......That said, a comment on the reliability ( in real life) of the two DACs would also be welcome. Review on their functioning, without problems, over time, ability on the recognition( one shot) of the sources (CD transport, PC / MAC, DAT ....). This - may be - is the key to choosing one or the other device.
It's funny when realizing I am now listening to my own audio interface D/A... But the recording is amazing and still the difference is pretty big. I love the cymbals and drums on 1, where it's moved to the background in 2. I can't say which is the best DAC, because you'd need to hear it through the studio's DAC where it was recorded. As a passive listener I'd prefer 1's engagement.
As for music, I like Apple Music lossless quality
in the future (maybe) hopefully you can compare the top Musician and Audio GD DACS
Well that was pretty easy for me to assess which I liked more. The Holo is much much better.
I had a Venus II and actually didn’t like it. It did kind of what the Terminator does. Too soft and too round. If you look at what Goldensound has said with his review and measurements the Denafrips use a lot of DSP that messes with the sound. That is, adds to the sound. So as a musician it doesn’t and didn’t sound natural to me.
The Holo was way more natural and presented in space.
It was also much more cohesive.
The terminator was harder to follow.
And btw as a musician the symbols are more real with the Holo. I know you might like the way it’s presented more with the terminator but symbols are not that smooth in a live setting. Live instruments are usually quite bright live.
The terminator also was more forward.
The Holo presented the instruments more properly in space.
The differences to me are actually quite big. They are very different.
Great comparison!
That was wonderful
Thank you so much
Thank YOU!
OK.. you , fantastic as always .. but these products are wierd .. bizzarre inputs and outputs .. where are the vu metres or at least leds you can see .. I know I'm a funked up dinosaur but I need bigger writing , louder style , more Interactive interested interest ...give me a 70s maranntz or technics su 7/8 combo .. I want my mind blown and my socks blown off .. forgive me .. the music ..Tony Wilson once said jazz is the last refuge of the non musical or something similar .. then he gave us unknown pleasures and closer ...don't get me wrong .. that's great jazz .. but it is music that oozes separation.. soundscapes space ..by nature ..it is easy to play back ,, smooth as the faceless overpriced boxes .. I'm a big fan of your you tube content .. but don't you get the feeling we as friends are not being served steak ...I'm getting tired of processed pork . is it as hot there as here ? cognac 🇫🇷 ...salut
😂 I see your point. Well, for an amp, I would agree completely, but for a DAC I guess it's ok. Maybe you are thinking more of pro gear. That has all the meat you're talking about...
The hifi market is so huge I need 3 lifes to get through all the brands ...
When I startet with this journey I thought one of these 2 will it be, nothing better out there and not really cheap. Boy was I wrong, there is so much stuff out there in a total different price range and it is so difficult to tell it they are even close of being worth it when you have equipment like the Holo Audio May. MSB, VAC or Playbackdesigns ... are so expensive but have so good reputation it is impossible for me at the moment to even get a market overview
True!
Hi, everyone,
from what i could hear the Dena is more precise, faster and also has more punch, so it doesn't seem to go down quite as low, but this is a normal perception when it's clearer in the upper ranges, Dena would be up for me more interesting right away after what I could see here through my headphones..
Thank you very much ANA DIA LOG !
Thank YOU!
Hmm. There is definitely a difference. In the bass, particularly. The May's bass is much more pronounced.
When I listened to it on AMZN HD, the T2 sounded much closer to what I was hearing while streaming directly.
I'm listening thru a COS Engineering D2V. It's no slouch, either. I think I may like the May sound better on this cut, but I can't help but think with “my” additional little test, that it is adding to the low end. The extra bass goes away straight from the tap.
REALLY Great review!!! Thanks！
A really good DAC gives you EXACTLY what is being thrown into it, which means that it mercilessly reveals the flaws of the cd format (16/44,1 never was enough). If not, it's not a good DAC, but instead something comparable to Dolby or likewise. And nothing good ever comes out of polishing a turd.
The difference between vinyl and cd's are; The more you spend on turntables/pre-amps the better the sound you get (Though it won't ever be perfect no matter how much you spend, but nothing will anyway) - But when it comes to cd's, spending more just reveals how much the format sucks. Unless it conceals or manipulate it, but then we have left the hifi area.
Sure you won't agree, but that's okay.
Stay cool Mate.
I do agree but mainly because of lousy mixing and mastering. A well-recorded and mastered CD like Ponta Box rivals with a decent record. But I see your point.
Hey Mate.
Bad mastering and mixing sure ruins a lot, but the cd format in it self has flaws that not even a superb recording or a really good DAC can fix. If you have a good recording on a cd, and the same on a SACD or other high res format, and you compare them, you'll know exactly what I mean. If you dig further into things, I bet you'll come to realize that the better the DAC - the more the shortcomings of the cd format is revealed. You might get a few more details from the music, but it comes with a price higher than what's gained. I personally have come to the conclusion that investing in an expensive DAC infact is a bad deal when it comes to cd's. You're better of with a cheaper messy sounding one that drowns the flaws along with everything else. Of course I'm not recommending complete junk, but don't go too high. DAC's (for cd's) are one of those things where better actually makes things worse. At least in my opinion (which of course noone are forced to agree with).
Hang on to your awesomeness.
Best wishes.
@@TheSoundrookie - I think you are right. I only listen to CDs on my main system (of which many are poorly recorded/mastered) and my recent pandemic instilled 'upgrade journey' made me experience exactly what you describe. Only a few CDs where actually fun to listen to. So, I went for a 'lesser' DAC - in my case a Musician Pegasus. That machine is a lot more forgiving, and I am very happy with it in my system.
If you are only streaming Qobuz or Tidal does a DAC of this caliber make a difference? Or do you need other sources to her the difference?
IMHO a decent converter will do it. With SACD, DVD audio, HDCD, XRCD, CD and native DSD files you really want the best.
A very good question Frank! 🇺🇦🇺🇸🤜
May ist the best you can do for analog yet highly detailed holographic presentation. Tried Rockna Wavedream,Terminator and T+A, none of that came close to holo may balance and neutrality.
Thanks, I was wearing my non releaving earbuds and I could easily hear the bass detail more clearly with the denafrips dac! Maybe the fact that it has more features gives it a step up!
Thank you very much for the review. Just one question… When using programs like Hqplayer, Audirvāna or Roon to upsample, do you think the Terminator will perform better with PCM or DSD? Just wondering as you said you didn’t like DSD on the USB at all… And DSD is pretty more intensive with computer resources. Thank you very much in advance. Best regards.
Yes, I was using Audirvana when I made my test with my own native dsd files via USB. So, no, I don't think so. For high-res pcm I used Qobuz trough audirvana besides my Project audio streamer. Nothing special via USB.
I have the Terminator II and use Roon and HQPlayer. From my experience, PCM sounds better w/ the TII
The terminator firmware has been upgraded since this video ,usb is equal with both machines now.
Interesting! On first small listen I preferred the Denafrips. Which I am surprised by.
Great review and comparison! Although I could not agree less with your findings :)
I dedicated 15 min. critically listening to sound clips back and fourth (with my Sennheiser HD 650) BEFORE proceeding to the reveal. I expected not to hear any difference but on my surprise it was very easy to hear. I liked May much more, because it sounded much more correct, especially on the cymbals! I would make an analogy with the photograph: May's presentation sounds like great photo with no filters and aftereffects and Terminators presentation is like HDR enhanced, almost over sharpened image of reality. I am a professional classical musician and 30+yrs audiophile and combined I know how softly and quietly played cymbals sound like when it IS played like on the given track. So if I could spend two times worth of my car on the DAC I would go for the MAY!
The internal May upsampling is quite weak a dedicated oversampler takes it to another level. The May with HQPlayer is stunning it sounds so much better than without it and I have a tin ear
Good job. Heard some guys saying the Weiss 501 it's better....smoother. give it a try if you can
Thanks!
the Weiss is twice the price..Not in the same category.
Not sure I'd pick a winner based on this test through youtube, but I have to say based on what I heard I much prefer the Denafrips. The difference in the bass is palpable, but to me there's a better sense of microdynamics too and even a sense of more details retrieval. I'm suprised I heard as much difference as I did...
I'm perfectly happy with my Chord Hugo TT2 though, but it nice to have knowledge of what's out there.
Enjoyed this video. I'll sub for more :)
Thanks! Remember all files are available for download in high-res in the video description of my vids
Thank you for your good work on audio products! Do you tested or heard the Holo Audio DAC Cyan 2? It’s way cheaper than these DACs but not soooo far away, I’ve heard.
Thanks, no I haven’t!
I find holo products better for nos and dsd.
I guess I must have clicked on the Digidialog channel by mistake
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Man, include Mola Mola Tambaqui and Chord Dave + Hugo M Scaler...
Chord Dave is a $10k joke POS
You should change the name of your channel to DIGIT(DIA)LOG.
:-) c'mon guys! Who knows me, every know and then I do some digital when it's worth it.
It’s a pity that Denafrips lie that their DAC is NOS. It isn’t.
does it matter it sounds great and other more expensive DACs cannot touch it
@@audioguy67 Of course it matters. Denafrips lied and have still not given an explanation why.
@@nespressoman Rob Watts from Chord does not tell you how his DAC is programed or how it really works it is the same with Denafrips they came out with programing for this DAC and no one really knows what is done on that level, some people think they are specialist in this field but they cannot come with the same good sounding design, this is all based on opinions not real facts
@@dariuszsalamon9441 With respect, watch this video. Denafrips do not do NOS. They promised an explanation and never did.
th-cam.com/video/7obMQuxjSlA/w-d-xo.html
great video . .thank you.
THIS episode!
Ciao Guido, thanks for this very interesting comparaison between these two well regarded DACs 🙏👍 I have recently received a Merason DAC1 🇨🇭Very analog sounding, you should give it a listen if you can. Also thank you for sharing such great recording, I’ve been a fan of Japanese jazz on the TBM label, I was not familiar with Ponta Box, I read that “Ponta” Murakami-san (drums) and Sayama-san (piano) regretfully both passed away too early RIP, I will look for their XRCDs (JVC), in the meantime I see their albums are available for streaming on Spotify (unfortunately not on Qobuz or Tidal). By the way how are you progressing on your preamp choice? Best, Joel
Thanks, yes, I keep hearing of that DAC. Interesting, thanks! Ponta Box are great. I have a few records, great big sound but the XRCD is just outstanding, especially the first track. Preamps are going good but it will take some time 😚
@@anadialog I've got also a merason dac-1 since 3 months after comparing many challenger including waveligt Rockna, denafrips, audiobyte, and ECdesign powerdac. Merason is not impressive at the first time (and may be never) but it deliver an impressive musicality which was missing in my system.
The May supports DSD natively I think the Terminator converts DSD to PCM
No, via USB and I2s it supports it up to DSD1024.
@@anadialog I agree that is can play DSD but I was under the impression that it converted DSD to PCM and then send it to the R2R ladder. where as the May has 2 DACs the R2R ladder for PCM and a separate one for DSD. Can you confirm that there is a separate DSD Dac?
Try Bricasti M1 that one is not chinese☝️
Which means....
Clear difference between the DACS. The terminator has more body more gravitas.
It‘s usually bad form to criticise other people’s music, but in this case it’s different because the genre was fine, the band was fine, but the recording oh my it was awful.
Vagabond Suzuki’s electric bass was so close mic-ed that it drowned out the other instruments and it just distracted me too much from hearing the other instruments. His bass was like a musical photobomb shouting “look at me!”.
So although I picked up on the May’s ability to dig deeper in the bass with more control, even after several attempts I could not tell the other instruments apart nor focus on imaging or soundstage. It was only after hearing you refer to the cymbals that I was able to pick them out as being different (better on the Terminator).
FYI if you’d like a really excellent one-mic recording in DSD with incredible lifelike reproduction, then check out “Unsquare Dance” from the Feen Brothers album “Feenbrothers Play Brubeck”.
On Soundliason’s webpage for the album there’s a TH-cam video clip of the session so you can even see the setup and what’s going down in the audience and instrument placement….the recording perfectly recreates this with incredible layering and super realistic clapping.
On my iPad the piano sounded closer to real through terminator, same with percussion, through holo may it was all soft edges to the point of being obviously processed sound. Even before the second track played I knew that’s not quite right, pianos don’t sound like this even when playing una corda with newly felted hammers. But it was like the piece lost some cohesion in track two, the individual parts sound real but there’s that feeling of each almost having been recorded separately then mixed together. Maybe that’s how the music was actually recorded and processed. Anyway, I don’t think I would have picked the May out of those two, what would be the point of paying that kind of money for gear without full resolution capability - that should be the starting point.
Interesting input, thanks.
Thank you for this high quality comparison. I loved the track you chose. But as most audio gear struggles whith really busy tracks (a lot of instruments at the same time), timing and dynamics, it would be great if you would large scale classical tracks and dynamics+rythm tracks (maybe big band or fusion jazz) as well.
Like the first take of the first track. It was an instant recognition. That said, I would never buy it due to past issues with products from China. Once bit, never again. Got stuck with a lemon once that no one would fix, or could fix. Out $4,000.
Hi Guido, question hopefully you can answer, I am analyzing to buy one of these two beasts, so I would like to be sure that I could play ny SACD from my SACD player through the HDMI to I2S converter to either the May or the Terminator, which of these two are going to allow me to do this? Thanks.
I kept going upstairs for my headphones and coming back without them i give up 😕