All those instruments are awesome,I love folk instruments better than all the new modern one's thank you for sharing, beautiful music from all the middle eastern countries 💪💪👍👍that's why from my country Mexico I love the Mariachi music.
Thank you for posting video with a cumbus with nylon strings. I have been wondering for a long time how this would sound with nylon strings and now I got my answer. Despite other people's comments I don't think it sounds bad at all, although obviously it would work better for certain types of music than others. Your videos are all very informative, thanks for taking time to make them.
lovely video, I searched for it cause I have an interest in the Mandolin, but Im actually a violin player and the frets don't appetize me at all (and keep me from playing stuff like Arabic music and real vibrato) Really good to know that it's possible and souds lovely!
Nice to see you have a outi made by Dimitris Rapakousios. I happen to own a trihordo bouzouki made by him. I like the cümbüs very much too. Seeing from the name it must be an original one, right?
I have an old mandolin that doesn't have correct intonation so I am thinking that I should convert it to a fretless one like you have done! Thanks for the idea! What tuning and string gauge have you used for it?
I'm a cumbus addict lol although I'm keeping my hand made egyptian oud for life, thank goodness it has a hardshell case because my first oud I slipped and fell down my teacher's steps and landed right on top of my wooden oud and it exploded into bits. The cumbus is like a tactical oud even if it breaks all the parts are easy to replace but also easy to modify, my next step for my cumbus is to install a hot rails single coil humbucker pickup so I can make it sound more like Megadeath.
This is just amazing! I love what you did to the mandolin and how it sounds with the nylon oud strings. I do have a question thou, as a guitarist with zero experience in any kind of fretless instruments... Does the fret marks help find the semitones? or does the position change once you remove the frets? Thanks in advance!
I have an Abadin Cumbus very similar to yours, but with the standard metal strings, can you recommend a tuning for it? A little weary to try the oud tuning you used in case it's a different of string gauge and breaking strings
Any Oud tuning is going to be lower in pitch on the cumbus to my knowledge... But I don't really know exactly what traditional cumbus tuning is... But I used original metal strings previously and tuned to CFADgc. The highest course being C4.
I would think metal strings would have more sustain as they are harder. Have you tried the fretless mandolin with metal strings? I am looking to get a fretless mandolin over a fretless ukulele because I thought the mandolin having metal strings would be louder. This isn't the case?
I didn't like how my mandolin responded with metal strings. The scale is too short I think, the finger mutes the metal string. It was harder to play with metal strings.
Greetings Naveed, I am a subscriber to your e-newsletter as well and was looking for information on fretless mandolin when I found this video. Fantastic! I've played mando for years, and have been wondering if I could do something like this to play some more accurate maqam music. I also play Turkish saz, and a little Persian Tar. The main thing holding me back on doing this to a nice mandolin has been strings and tuning, I thought you said in the video you used D'addario oud strings? If so, which ones, and critically what is your suggested tuning? Thanks so much... Regards.
Hey!!! Nice going with the mandolin! Been enjoying your lessons although slowly. FYI I bet a luthier can help you with the mandolin nut/bridge set up to get optimal intonation and action. Great Idea, I like it.
Why did Iraqi Oud development change from fixed bridge to floating bridge, do you hear or feel the difference,, does it allow the strings to vibrate more? Thank you for your comment ;-)
I just ordered a Cumbus from Turkey made by Abidin. It's a black color. I'm not sure if it comes with metal or nylon strings but hope they are nylon. If they are metal do you know if i can put a set of nylon oud strings on it? thanks, Mardas.
Do you know of any luthiers that make fretless mandolins with oud strings? I am a violinist that plays Greek and Turkish music. I am also a mandolin player but I want to play quarter tones on my mandolin and not be obstructed by the frets.
I don't know any. After doing it myself I would recommend that you do it with a longer scale mandolin like an octave mandolin. I think that would work better. I think any luthier might be open to making such an instrument.
Hélio Pype Gomes Martins I have no idea where the idea for floating bridge oud came from except who first built one. It was Mohamad Fadhel from Iraq. You do hear a difference. A lot of traditionalists don't like floating bridge Ouds, and I don't know why. I really like it. I think it just changes the sound. If you want to hear the difference. Listen to Nasser Shamma solo Oud for a while, then listen to Simon Shaheen Oud. You will hear the difference after a while. I think it makes the Oud sound a bit airier.
Majnuun Music & Dance I just have a question, I was thinking of buying an oud but I have no idea what the differences between, say, the syrian and the egyptian oud is or the turkish one for that matter. Any suggestions/comments about the many variations?
For a fretless guitar you should use Arabic high ff tuning. Which is: F A D G C F. It's really easy, get your low string tuned to F, then it's 4 5 5 5 5 5. Press the 4th fret for tuning A, 5th fret on A string to tune D, etc. Let me know how it works out.
Thanks for the informations . And do you know if there is many types of qanun like many sizes or the numbers of the strings ot the notes ? And the syrian oud that you played has 12 strings right ? Could another oud's have less or more strings or is it always 12 strings ?
Hi, Navid I really like the Arabic Oud Sound better, but I prefer the Turkish Oud size. Are the Arabic Oud Strings different from the Turkish ones? If so, can I replace the Turkish strings with Arabic Strings to achieve Arabic Oud sound? Or I am talking nonsense here? Please forgive my ignorance. Thanks for all you do.
You can use a higher tension string set and tune to Arabic tuning with a Turkish Oud. Kurschner Arabic oud strings are good for that. Or you can get a higher tension Turkish string set and tune down to Arabic tuning. The Oud will have a Turkish accent, but it should work well enough.
He would play a Syrian Oud with rosettes. He wouldn't play an Iraqi oud with high f string. His ouds are usually antiques which have been refurbished to perfection by his brother Najib Shaheen.
Are you talking about the oud peg box? This probably originated with ancient luthier techniques. But if you play an oud with a headstocks like a guitar and a normal one you will feel a difference in tension in the strings. For ouds it's important that the tension is correct. I personally don't like ouds with headstocks in line with the fingerboard. The advantage of fretless is you can play any pitch, you are not bound by equal temperament. Our ears like to hear perfectly harmonious pitches and this is achievable on fretless instruments. Also fretless instruments resonate better because of the intonation. The drawback of fretless is that playing chords is limited. Chords are not important in modal music. The focus is the melody.
Hi. I would like to buy a Cümbüs. Can anyone help me find a contact for a manufacturer in Turkey? Someone who speaks English (maybe indirect contact). Or a website where they sell these, possibly?
I am still learning many things, you never stop learning. But I think it took about 3 years before I became a decent player. I already knew middle eastern music and played a Persian instrument Santoor. I learned how to play oud from a Persian player, Hossein Behroozinia.
Dude, really cool video. PLEASE try a modification of the Romanian HORA' octave mandolin. I think that might be a possible treasure trove for the work you are doing in this video. GREAT VIDEO
@@OudforGuitarists I have an old cheap mandolin that has faulty intonation so I should make it fretless. This is interesting for me too because mandolin is my second instrument. The folk dance band I joined in 1982 already had a rhythm guitarist, so I taught myself mandolin for jigs, polkas etc. Then I taught myself fiddle (and darabukka, bodhran, bouzouki, flutes, harmonica....) and now I play oud in a band with an Iraqi singer
@@gavinmackinney8484 you may or may not like the result... I put nylon strings on it because the metal strings just didn't make much sound after going fretless.
Brother , i really liked your video , i have read that you played santoor , well i am from iran and i love that instrument. I would like to know where you from and if i could ask you a couple of questions.
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Go find some metal oud strings and see how not easy it is to find them they put on the cumbus for a reason to sound better and you make it sound worse what a shame
I wish there was a channel who teaches how to sing like turkish vocal style and the technique compaired to normal western vocal style!
Love the sound of the Syrian Oud. A larger member of the mandolin family would sound even better fretless I think.
Syrian Ouds are really the best !! I love how they sound !!!!!!!!
Best ouds is from iraq and first oud he show is iraqi made by Mohamed fadel evry Arabs by ouds from him
@@حمدالناسكحبوش he said Syrian, not Iraqi.
The first oud in history was made in Iraq@@حمدالناسكحبوش
the best ouds are the ouds that are being played daily
instead of hanging around on someone wall looking cool@@حمدالناسكحبوش
All those instruments are awesome,I love folk instruments better than all the new modern one's thank you for sharing, beautiful music from all the middle eastern countries 💪💪👍👍that's why from my country Mexico I love the Mariachi music.
wow the sound of the Iraqi oud !
Cümbüş is our traditional insturment and can be played in various styles. Especially gypsies nail it :D
I love the sound of the Iraqi Oud. A lot of potential for expression.
Thank you for posting video with a cumbus with nylon strings. I have been wondering for a long time how this would sound with nylon strings and now I got my answer. Despite other people's comments I don't think it sounds bad at all, although obviously it would work better for certain types of music than others. Your videos are all very informative, thanks for taking time to make them.
They are all beautiful
Thanks for the information about these very beautiful instruments and music!
You're welcome
lovely video, I searched for it cause I have an interest in the Mandolin, but Im actually a violin player and the frets don't appetize me at all (and keep me from playing stuff like Arabic music and real vibrato)
Really good to know that it's possible and souds lovely!
Fantabulous video and channel
Thanks and welcome
Cümbüş my favourite instrument 👍
I use UV resin to fill fret slit on my guitars and electric bass. Anyway it's nice to know another fretless bewitched man on this earth.
Awesome video. Thank you for sharing. Seeing and hearing all the instruments was incredible. Thank you.🌷
Nice to see you have a outi made by Dimitris Rapakousios. I happen to own a trihordo bouzouki made by him. I like the cümbüs very much too. Seeing from the name it must be an original one, right?
I have an old mandolin that doesn't have correct intonation so I am thinking that I should convert it to a fretless one like you have done! Thanks for the idea! What tuning and string gauge have you used for it?
The mandolin sounds similar to the Greek bozouki. On another note, I love your trills on the Iraqi Oud.
Sort of but its a bit too high pitched
C'est très beau..👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💖💖💖💖💖
Just FYI, "aquila" is pronounced AH-kwee-la. It's Italian so the stress is on the first syllable and, unlike Spanish, the u is pronounced.
'Le son du Oud iraquien est assez grave. C'est beau. Ma préférence le Oud syrien. ... Les 3 sont super
I'm a cumbus addict lol although I'm keeping my hand made egyptian oud for life, thank goodness it has a hardshell case because my first oud I slipped and fell down my teacher's steps and landed right on top of my wooden oud and it exploded into bits. The cumbus is like a tactical oud even if it breaks all the parts are easy to replace but also easy to modify, my next step for my cumbus is to install a hot rails single coil humbucker pickup so I can make it sound more like Megadeath.
This is just amazing! I love what you did to the mandolin and how it sounds with the nylon oud strings. I do have a question thou, as a guitarist with zero experience in any kind of fretless instruments... Does the fret marks help find the semitones? or does the position change once you remove the frets?
Thanks in advance!
It could help a little, but it's only a guide. They change a little bit because there's no equal temperament.
Iraqi is the best.
I have an Abadin Cumbus very similar to yours, but with the standard metal strings, can you recommend a tuning for it? A little weary to try the oud tuning you used in case it's a different of string gauge and breaking strings
Any Oud tuning is going to be lower in pitch on the cumbus to my knowledge... But I don't really know exactly what traditional cumbus tuning is... But I used original metal strings previously and tuned to CFADgc. The highest course being C4.
AA2 BB2 EE3 AA3 DD4 GG4
Great video is the Syrian oud for sale?
Nope, but you can get a new one here dimitrisouds.com
Very lovely music
Thanks
Your welcome,
May I know where are you from?
@@akhmadyakup5004 I'm Iranian, raised in Canada.
@The Future Is set Barbat and oud are fundamentally the same thing. Just different names for the same thing.
I would think metal strings would have more sustain as they are harder. Have you tried the fretless mandolin with metal strings? I am looking to get a fretless mandolin over a fretless ukulele because I thought the mandolin having metal strings would be louder. This isn't the case?
I didn't like how my mandolin responded with metal strings. The scale is too short I think, the finger mutes the metal string. It was harder to play with metal strings.
Hey - is there a video on tuning pegs that keep slipping whilst trying to tune them?
Greetings Naveed, I am a subscriber to your e-newsletter as well and was looking for information on fretless mandolin when I found this video. Fantastic! I've played mando for years, and have been wondering if I could do something like this to play some more accurate maqam music. I also play Turkish saz, and a little Persian Tar. The main thing holding me back on doing this to a nice mandolin has been strings and tuning, I thought you said in the video you used D'addario oud strings? If so, which ones, and critically what is your suggested tuning? Thanks so much... Regards.
I love oud syria and turkish feeling
wow the Syrian our is so amazing
Thanks. The maker is Dimitri Rapakousious check the channel rapakodi
what did you exactly make with the Mandulin?? Have you took off it's frets and full their places ??
Hey!!!
Nice going with the mandolin! Been enjoying your lessons although slowly.
FYI I bet a luthier can help you with the mandolin nut/bridge set up to get optimal intonation and action. Great Idea, I like it.
Why did Iraqi Oud development change from fixed bridge to floating bridge, do you hear or feel the difference,, does it allow the strings to vibrate more? Thank you for your comment ;-)
yes you can feel the difference. it's difficult to put into words.
what is the tuning on the fretless mandolin?
I just ordered a Cumbus from Turkey made by Abidin. It's a black color. I'm not sure if it comes with metal or nylon strings but hope they are nylon. If they are metal do you know if i can put a set of nylon oud strings on it? thanks, Mardas.
Cumbus is made for metals strings. It's not easy to put nylon strings on it.
Do you know of any luthiers that make fretless mandolins with oud strings? I am a violinist that plays Greek and Turkish music. I am also a mandolin player but I want to play quarter tones on my mandolin and not be obstructed by the frets.
I don't know any. After doing it myself I would recommend that you do it with a longer scale mandolin like an octave mandolin. I think that would work better. I think any luthier might be open to making such an instrument.
Hélio Pype Gomes Martins I have no idea where the idea for floating bridge oud came from except who first built one. It was Mohamad Fadhel from Iraq. You do hear a difference. A lot of traditionalists don't like floating bridge Ouds, and I don't know why. I really like it.
I think it just changes the sound. If you want to hear the difference. Listen to Nasser Shamma solo Oud for a while, then listen to Simon Shaheen Oud. You will hear the difference after a while. I think it makes the Oud sound a bit airier.
Majnuun Music & Dance I just have a question, I was thinking of buying an oud but I have no idea what the differences between, say, the syrian and the egyptian oud is or the turkish one for that matter. Any suggestions/comments about the many variations?
For a fretless guitar you should use Arabic high ff tuning. Which is: F A D G C F. It's really easy, get your low string tuned to F, then it's 4 5 5 5 5 5. Press the 4th fret for tuning A, 5th fret on A string to tune D, etc. Let me know how it works out.
Majnuun Music & Dance the idea is Fadel's idea to prevent cracking while playing in high tuning, it gives a stronger oud structurally
faik oud for sale?
Oh wow, that fretless mandolin!
Thanks for the informations .
And do you know if there is many types of qanun like many sizes or the numbers of the strings ot the notes ?
And the syrian oud that you played has 12 strings right ? Could another oud's have less or more strings or is it always 12 strings ?
Hi, Navid I really like the Arabic Oud Sound better, but I prefer the Turkish Oud size. Are the Arabic Oud Strings different from the Turkish ones? If so, can I replace the Turkish strings with Arabic Strings to achieve Arabic Oud sound? Or I am talking nonsense here? Please forgive my ignorance. Thanks for all you do.
You can use a higher tension string set and tune to Arabic tuning with a Turkish Oud. Kurschner Arabic oud strings are good for that. Or you can get a higher tension Turkish string set and tune down to Arabic tuning. The Oud will have a Turkish accent, but it should work well enough.
Thank you for your demonstration. Why do the darker wood of oud sound better than the blond wood ouds?
I'm not sure. I think spruce is brighter, cedar is warmer. Oud sounds best when warm but simultaneously cuts through with balanced highs.
Which of these does Simon Shaheen play? His oud sounds beautifully haunting.
He would play a Syrian Oud with rosettes. He wouldn't play an Iraqi oud with high f string. His ouds are usually antiques which have been refurbished to perfection by his brother Najib Shaheen.
Soo beautiful!
What is the music at the beginning?
Very nice. PLEASE make a video, how it sounds with bare right hand (no pick).
Whats the cloth for on the Cumbus?
how did you attach nylon strings at tail piece on the Mandolin? Loop , bowline, bead or other?
Hey, quick question OudforGuitarists whats your tuning for your fretless mandolin?
I can't exactly remember now. But I tuned it in fourths. CGCG or ADAD or CGDA.
I just heard the Persian oud the Iraqi oud sound alot better is it longer in millimeter?
Iraqi is shorter
You have Cümbüş wrong tuned. The actually tuning is AA2 BB2 EE3 AA3 DD4 GG4
Furkan Kılıç That's true, I am using Turkish Oud tuning on this Cumbus.
It has an explosive sound! Very loud.
Why does the area with the tuning pegs bend away from the fingered area? What advantage do fretless necks offer?
Are you talking about the oud peg box? This probably originated with ancient luthier techniques. But if you play an oud with a headstocks like a guitar and a normal one you will feel a difference in tension in the strings. For ouds it's important that the tension is correct. I personally don't like ouds with headstocks in line with the fingerboard.
The advantage of fretless is you can play any pitch, you are not bound by equal temperament. Our ears like to hear perfectly harmonious pitches and this is achievable on fretless instruments. Also fretless instruments resonate better because of the intonation.
The drawback of fretless is that playing chords is limited. Chords are not important in modal music. The focus is the melody.
What gage strings/ tuning are you using for the fretless mandolin?
No idea anymore, this was a while ago. I was using Daddario oud strings.
Hi. I would like to buy a Cümbüs. Can anyone help me find a contact for a manufacturer in Turkey? Someone who speaks English (maybe indirect contact).
Or a website where they sell these, possibly?
Ethnicmusical.com
Can I play smoke on the water on this?
I have a 10 strings oud does that make a difference compared to the 11 strings ???
Not really. The basic oud is five course GADgc or FADgc, the extra bass string is not required.
@@OudforGuitarists alright !thanks
how long did it take you to learn Oud and where did you learn the Oud?
I am still learning many things, you never stop learning. But I think it took about 3 years before I became a decent player. I already knew middle eastern music and played a Persian instrument Santoor. I learned how to play oud from a Persian player, Hossein Behroozinia.
What is the full tuning Shamma is using that you mentioned? Thanks
FADgcf, second course 'c' is C4, or middle C.
Hi, do you still have Faik oud, I want one like it.
I still have it. Email me at support@oudforguitarists.com if you want to give me an offer for it.
Dude, really cool video. PLEASE try a modification of the Romanian HORA' octave mandolin. I think that might be a possible treasure trove for the work you are doing in this video. GREAT VIDEO
Could you please recommend me one oud on a budget for beginners?
Hi Keren, I would be happy to do that. Could you email me at support @ oudforguitarists.com and I'll get back to you with some options. 😊
What tuning do you use for your fretless mandolin? GDGD?
Yes, it was a long time ago but I think that's what I used.
@@OudforGuitarists I have an old cheap mandolin that has faulty intonation so I should make it fretless. This is interesting for me too because mandolin is my second instrument. The folk dance band I joined in 1982 already had a rhythm guitarist, so I taught myself mandolin for jigs, polkas etc. Then I taught myself fiddle (and darabukka, bodhran, bouzouki, flutes, harmonica....) and now I play oud in a band with an Iraqi singer
@@gavinmackinney8484 you may or may not like the result... I put nylon strings on it because the metal strings just didn't make much sound after going fretless.
The fretless mandolin reminds me the bengali Dutara.
Indeed
Oud : 2:29
Cumbus : 4:06
I have found an Iraqi oud im going to buy from someone. Would you reccomend an Iraqi oud is it good for beginners?
iraqi oud usually a professional instrument
but be sure that its iraqi .... not fake one
if you need any help just write me
The Iraqi Oud ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Brother , i really liked your video , i have read that you played santoor , well i am from iran and i love that instrument. I would like to know where you from and if i could ask you a couple of questions.
I'm in Canada, I'm Iranian. feel free to email me at support@oudforguitarists.com.
Salam khoob hastin ? mamnoon ke mikhahid komakam konid
man baratoon email mifrestam , do you want it in english or in Farsi? what do you prefer?
+RandomVideos4U either is fine. thanks.
+RandomVideos4U my farsi reading is a bit slow.
Brilliant
Thanks for watching
i think the faik oud need special strings for the tune that you used
Very interesting.
Where are you based and how can I contact you please?
I am in Vancouver Canada. you can reach me at support@oudforguitarists.com. I would love to hear from you.
Thanks a lot. Would do soon. Regards
Majnuun Music & Dance is it for sale?
Vary nice thank you
C'est beau c'est intéressant 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Hi everyone I am looking for a good website to purchase an Oud , I live in Europe Denmark, thank you .
salamuzik.com
sayrian oud for sale ????
Just go to syria
rapakodi nice instrument
Thank you
Chords are pretty much impossible with çumbuş
حلو العود العراقي
hussien haider تمدح العود العراقي لانك عراقي😂👌🏻
هذا العود الذي في الفيديو ليس بتلك الجودة و صوته خشن, اما اعواد محمد فاضل الاب لا يضاهيها أي عود عراقي اخر و هي من افضل الاعواد العربية
hahaha ::: love the green screen add on , hahaha thumbs up bro
Cumbus sounds like rubab.
It's Rapakousios :)
One of the best
The Arabic oud is the best 61.5
Agreed.
The best oud in the world only the Iraqi.
Personal preference. The Syrian Oud has more sustain and reverb
the Iraqi oud wasn't good, its sound was rough and not smooth.
he meant the instrument
the sound of the Turkish "cooker" is so annoying.
i liked the sound of the Syrian oud
None of them is annoying. They all have different characteristics.
not really..at all
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Your Syrian oud is actually Iraqi
The syrian oud is actually an iraqi oud😂
And the iraqi oud you have,has a rough sound!! I think it's not in a high quality.
What exactly makes the Syrian Oud an Iraqi Oud?
Yes, the Iraqi Oud needed repairs. I was disappointed with the quality.
Yupp that's the son of the great Mohammad fadel will he just took the name of his father nothing else
Your Cumbus sounds really bad with the nylon strings so bad you ruined it for a show and tell
Go find some metal oud strings and see how not easy it is to find them they put on the cumbus for a reason to sound better and you make it sound worse what a shame
دتعزف لو دا تتعلم تعزف
Your Syrian oud is actually Iraqi
And it’s built by a Greek guy so no it’s not Syrian
PlatiniumOG هههههه
PlatiniumOG The Greek Guy built it based on Syrian Technique. So it’s Syrian Style.