There is that, although in this case we weren't as close to Bungie as we are to some of the others. I think we're toughening up a bit...but not too much. Cheers.
sorry for your loss, its the sad part of livestock farming & as easy as it is to say "Don't get attached to your animals" in life that's not so easy Thx for the update as sad as it was
Hello! I'm new here. Nice tomeet you. I like your video. Your farm and house is very beautiful. I'm also in Thailand, I would like to visit your farm in the future if I had a chance. Have a nice day, stay safe.
We have a small group of miniature cows, over the last 2 years we’ve lost 3 to un identified causes. It’s hard, but it’s the circle of life. Press on brother. Much love!❤️
Keep your heads up and we your subscribers will keep giving you the thumbs up . The good times and the bad times that`s what it is all about , stay safe and healthy to all .
Next time try half a Small Chung straight down the Gullet and stand back. Keep a eye out for youngsters eating to much Legume plants and not enough grass and roughage.
I don’t no if it’s true but with sheep they used to have a small hollow sharp stick push it in the side of the sheep and let the air out the trick is where to put it, but will it work on goats I don’t no
Sorry to see this, Leigh - you and Toon tried your hardest. I've no experience with goats, but certainly in dairy cattle, bloat can be a very rapid killer. Our neighbor lost 11 one night while driving the herd from the paddock back to the milking shed for treatment, which for the serious cases (27 of them) was by sticking a trochar knife thru the abdomen into the rumen - muggins me got the sweet job of keeping those stab wounds open and venting gas, and not clogged up with chewed grass. The cattle never seemed bothered by the wound, after the vet had sewed it closed and dusted it with sulfonilamide powder, they were straight back to grazing happily. The less serious cases were drenched with a linseed oil and bicarb mix.
@@TLFarm when i first started farming we used to stick a hole in them also to drain the gas out of the stomach. later a vet i was using started putting a rubber hose down their throats. [i have even used garden hose in a pinch]. you just have to be careful when sticking it down their throat, [making sure it goes into their stomach, not their lungs]. the results are instant as soon as you get it into their first stomach. this was on yearling cattle, but i think goats have 4 stomachs also. so it should work with goats, i would just use like a 3/8 inch hose. you can judge the distance from their mouth to where the swelling is and guess how much hose to put down them. you might have to blow down the hose to stop the the ruffage from plugging the end, [and not letting the gas escape]. if you do try this, make sure the end of the hose is rounded, and run the hose thru like 3/4 to 1 inch of hard plastic pipe. you don,t put the pipe in far, just to get past their rear teeth. because if their are like cattle they will try to chew on the hose and either put a hole in it, or block the gas from coming out. it's kind of scary doing it the first time, but if you do this once or twice you will find out how easy it is to do. if done right it works everytime. i never lost a animal from bloat after i was shown how to do this. sorry for the long reply, and am not trying to tell you what to do. just thought you should know this. also when you jam a stick up their butt, you have to get the gas out going thru all 4 stomachs [as the bloat is in the first stomach]. so it would not work as well, and be more painful than going down their throat. [imho]
Hey Toon and Leigh, so sorry to see you lost a beautiful goat. You do know it's ok to shed a tear or two, there is nothing wrong with that. I've been known to do the same more than once. Take care my friends.
There is a massage technique I’ve learned from an old shepherd. Step behind and lift the goat or sheep just behind the rib cage until the legs are airborne and massage gently and deep in long strokes until the hind legs. I had this with my goats too. The last resort is an emergency cut with a very slim sharp stiletto or a big bore needle from a vet. But for this you need to know the right position. There is a spot where the Pansen (i don’t know the proper english term) is directly under the skin. I didn’t find a vet here who knows this.
hmmm don't think I'm going to add goats to my list of things to keep when I get back out there! Fish, yabbies, snails maybe even those big juicy scorpions but not goats. I don't know if you got to see it out there but Clarkson did a farming series, yeah "more power", "in the World", Jeremy Clarkson and he said that sheep seem intent on finding new and unusual ways of killing themselves so it looks like it goes with the farming territory unfortunately. I'm sure I read/saw/watched somewhere that when cattle get bloat you have to cut a hole in their side, not sure I'd be brave enough to do that or whether that would be too drastic on a baby goat. Sorry for your loss you two, I hope macro man comes back soon to cheer everyone up again :)
I've seen Doctor Pol deal with this on a cow. They sometimes use a big needle to relieve pressue. "The incredible doctor Pol" is a vet show aired in the United States, for my friends abroad. Love your content and the care and compassion you show to all. Cheers!
@@TLFarm sorry for your loss, I wrote that comment before I saw the ending of video. I debated deleting it but I truly believe you and Toon do a wonderful job caring for all the animals on the farm. Pass along my condolences to Toon please.
Yes, it was sad.....Yes, it was emotional. Nonetheless, a brilliantly informative and well produced video. The excellent information you provided will almost certainly help other potential goat breeders and may well save the lives of future animals.
Well let's hope so. It's not very nice posting this sort of video (even worse editing it) but we try hard to give a true account of what it's like here on the farm. Cheers.
Wow it’s gotta be devastating when you are doing everything correct, I wonder if there’s something on the farm that ( bitten) the baby goat 🐐 thanks for sharing the farm with us 🙏
I also lost my first mama goat I ever owned and she has 2 kiddies they only a month and 1/2 and it was a very difficult time for us and the babies sadly
Sad for sure. We were lucky during our goat raising days and never gotten a serious case of bloat. We had a small herd and it was easier to spot problems fast. I had to refuse a hay delivery because of the high clover and alfalfa content in it. In the pasture it was less able to control what they ate.
@@TLFarm A trick I use to do is to take the goats for a a walk in summer before night time lockdown. The gravel road did wonders for hoof trimming and fart fest (LOL). It was hard some days after a hard day of labor. But I need a fart walk after supper (our main meal of the day) anyways.
Have you talked to a vet about this? In cows they even use a small blade to cut and release the gas from the animal from outside, probably it would save the goat too. There might be something in season that produces gas in them, perhaps a sort of legume. I heard in cows the broadbean leads to this issue. That site of suffering animal was killing me. If the rate of survival of such issue is so low just releave the animal from the slow death.
The survival rate is high if you get to them quick enough. We've contacted our vet about a visit to talk about inserting a needle to release the trapped air in the future.
@@TLFarm Great thats exactly I was thinking about, even a needle should work. There are also food supplements that reduce the gas. Seaweed does that but I know you dont have access to it, there might be something else too.
Good idea if possible. If I could have a needle with a 3mm bore shoved in me to suck out puss from an abscise that formed after surgery then surely a smaller needle could be used to get rid of air? That and a good dose of antibiotics for the needle wound?
So wanted to see a happy Hollywood ending, as I know you did. I'm sure you'll be researching the matter for the future. I've always heard that goats are born easy and die easy. Take care.
If we had more solar power so we could run our big chest freezer that's something we'd definitely do. Word is slowly getting around that we've started selling goat meat. The slaughtering side of things is still a bit of an issue....can't find a bolt gun online in Thailand. The Goat Man pays the best price for
It's tough indeed. I'm sorry for the loss. Thank you Leigh. All the best. Mitch 🙏
Thanks Mitch. Gutted as we always are when we lose a goat. Toon cleaned her straight away & all sold apart from 1.5kg for us.
Saddened with your loss Leigh, I guess they do become family in a way, with the smaller scale of the farm.
There is that, although in this case we weren't as close to Bungie as we are to some of the others. I think we're toughening up a bit...but not too much. Cheers.
sorry for your loss, its the sad part of livestock farming & as easy as it is to say "Don't get attached to your animals" in life that's not so easy Thx for the update as sad as it was
Thank you Gary
Sorry for your loss very sad but that is nature !! Up and Onwards Leigh and Toon !!
It certainly is Neil. Cheers for your support.
Sorry for your loss guys.
Thank you Chad. This rainy season is proving a real challenge with the herd.
Really sad to watch this Leigh but I guess the reality of farming livestock. Good to see the challenges of your work as well as the positive stuff
Cheers CO1
I admire your efforts,hang in there Leigh.
Thank you for that Gerald 💪
Life feeds on life. The life of the dead is placed in the memory of the living. Keep it going.....Good things are coming!!!!
I've never heard that saying before....nice one 👍
Hello! I'm new here. Nice tomeet you. I like your video. Your farm and house is very beautiful. I'm also in Thailand, I would like to visit your farm in the future if I had a chance. Have a nice day, stay safe.
Sounds good. We look forward to it 👍
ups and downs leigh you must be in line for a few ups now keep going and thanks for the reality check
We have a small group of miniature cows, over the last 2 years we’ve lost 3 to un identified causes. It’s hard, but it’s the circle of life. Press on brother. Much love!❤️
Sorry for your loss Nate 💪💪💪
Sorry for the bad news, all the best.
Thanks buddy 👍
Keep your head up Mate, there are brighter days ahead . 😊
Keep your heads up and we your subscribers will keep giving you the thumbs up . The good times and the bad times that`s what it is all about , stay safe and healthy to all .
Brilliant that thanks John.
Gutted for you both. Keep on kicking arse with both feet
Cheers LW. Lucky we both bounce well.
Next time try half a Small Chung straight down the Gullet and stand back.
Keep a eye out for youngsters eating to much Legume plants and not enough grass and roughage.
Sorry guys, I can see how much you both care about them all. One of the "not" joys of farming. 😢
Very much so Gav. Cheers for your kind words.
Definitely sad loosing one of them but that's mother nature for you
Thank you Si.
I don’t no if it’s true but with sheep they used to have a small hollow sharp stick push it in the side of the sheep and let the air out the trick is where to put it, but will it work on goats I don’t no
Bummer
Sorry Leigh
Thanks Steve. Very sad, lovely goat.
Sorry to see this, Leigh - you and Toon tried your hardest. I've no experience with goats, but certainly in dairy cattle, bloat can be a very rapid killer. Our neighbor lost 11 one night while driving the herd from the paddock back to the milking shed for treatment, which for the serious cases (27 of them) was by sticking a trochar knife thru the abdomen into the rumen - muggins me got the sweet job of keeping those stab wounds open and venting gas, and not clogged up with chewed grass. The cattle never seemed bothered by the wound, after the vet had sewed it closed and dusted it with sulfonilamide powder, they were straight back to grazing happily. The less serious cases were drenched with a linseed oil and bicarb mix.
Flipping heck, that must of took some doing on your behalf Graham.
@@TLFarm when i first started farming we used to stick a hole in them also to drain the gas out of the stomach. later a vet i was using started putting a rubber hose down their throats. [i have even used garden hose in a pinch]. you just have to be careful when sticking it down their throat, [making sure it goes into their stomach, not their lungs]. the results are instant as soon as you get it into their first stomach.
this was on yearling cattle, but i think goats have 4 stomachs also. so it should work with goats, i would just use like a 3/8 inch hose. you can judge the distance from their mouth to where the swelling is and guess how much hose to put down them. you might have to blow down the hose to stop the the ruffage from plugging the end, [and not letting the gas escape].
if you do try this, make sure the end of the hose is rounded, and run the hose thru like 3/4 to 1 inch of hard plastic pipe. you don,t put the pipe in far, just to get past their rear teeth. because if their are like cattle they will try to chew on the hose and either put a hole in it, or block the gas from coming out.
it's kind of scary doing it the first time, but if you do this once or twice you will find out how easy it is to do. if done right it works everytime. i never lost a animal from bloat after i was shown how to do this.
sorry for the long reply, and am not trying to tell you what to do. just thought you should know this. also when you jam a stick up their butt, you have to get the gas out going thru all 4 stomachs [as the bloat is in the first stomach]. so it would not work as well, and be more painful than going down their throat. [imho]
Hey Toon and Leigh, so sorry to see you lost a beautiful goat. You do know it's ok to shed a tear or two, there is nothing wrong with that. I've been known to do the same more than once.
Take care my friends.
Much appreciated thanks Brock.
That is a real bummer guys, so sad to see a young goat slip away so quickly. I really feel for you both. Stay strong for each other. :(
Will do Harry. Many thanks.
There is a massage technique I’ve learned from an old shepherd. Step behind and lift the goat or sheep just behind the rib cage until the legs are airborne and massage gently and deep in long strokes until the hind legs. I had this with my goats too.
The last resort is an emergency cut with a very slim sharp stiletto or a big bore needle from a vet. But for this you need to know the right position. There is a spot where the Pansen (i don’t know the proper english term) is directly under the skin. I didn’t find a vet here who knows this.
hmmm don't think I'm going to add goats to my list of things to keep when I get back out there! Fish, yabbies, snails maybe even those big juicy scorpions but not goats. I don't know if you got to see it out there but Clarkson did a farming series, yeah "more power", "in the World", Jeremy Clarkson and he said that sheep seem intent on finding new and unusual ways of killing themselves so it looks like it goes with the farming territory unfortunately. I'm sure I read/saw/watched somewhere that when cattle get bloat you have to cut a hole in their side, not sure I'd be brave enough to do that or whether that would be too drastic on a baby goat. Sorry for your loss you two, I hope macro man comes back soon to cheer everyone up again :)
You can also use a small rubber hose more flexible they a stick
I've seen Doctor Pol deal with this on a cow. They sometimes use a big needle to relieve pressue.
"The incredible doctor Pol" is a vet show aired in the United States, for my friends abroad.
Love your content and the care and compassion you show to all. Cheers!
Thanks for for that David.
@@TLFarm sorry for your loss, I wrote that comment before I saw the ending of video. I debated deleting it but I truly believe you and Toon do a wonderful job caring for all the animals on the farm. Pass along my condolences to Toon please.
Thank you David, that means a lot to the both of us.
Hi mate very sad news can see how hard it hit you, the joys of farming they say . Stay safe chris .
Absolutely Chris 👍
Yes, it was sad.....Yes, it was emotional. Nonetheless, a brilliantly informative and well produced video. The excellent information you provided will almost certainly help other potential goat breeders and may well save the lives of future animals.
Well let's hope so. It's not very nice posting this sort of video (even worse editing it) but we try hard to give a true account of what it's like here on the farm. Cheers.
is it like when sheep get into clover and swell up have hole em ive read about it in old novels
This one caught is cold as the pasture hasn't changed much this last week or so. Can only think that maybe she binged on some Leucaena we brought in.
So sorry...a farmers life not easy. So many things can happen and every loss is a loss in many different ways.
Take care
Very well said Bill. Totally agree.
Wow it’s gotta be devastating when you are doing everything correct, I wonder if there’s something on the farm that ( bitten) the baby goat 🐐 thanks for sharing the farm with us 🙏
Toon cleaned & processed the meat that morning. No signs of anything that had bitten her (bites are quite noticeable.)
I also lost my first mama goat I ever owned and she has 2 kiddies they only a month and 1/2 and it was a very difficult time for us and the babies sadly
Sad for sure. We were lucky during our goat raising days and never gotten a serious case of bloat. We had a small herd and it was easier to spot problems fast. I had to refuse a hay delivery because of the high clover and alfalfa content in it. In the pasture it was less able to control what they ate.
We're thinking she'd gorged herself on leucaena.
@@TLFarm A trick I use to do is to take the goats for a a walk in summer before night time lockdown. The gravel road did wonders for hoof trimming and fart fest (LOL). It was hard some days after a hard day of labor. But I need a fart walk after supper (our main meal of the day) anyways.
Have you talked to a vet about this?
In cows they even use a small blade to cut and release the gas from the animal from outside, probably it would save the goat too.
There might be something in season that produces gas in them, perhaps a sort of legume. I heard in cows the broadbean leads to this issue.
That site of suffering animal was killing me. If the rate of survival of such issue is so low just releave the animal from the slow death.
The survival rate is high if you get to them quick enough. We've contacted our vet about a visit to talk about inserting a needle to release the trapped air in the future.
@@TLFarm Great thats exactly I was thinking about, even a needle should work. There are also food supplements that reduce the gas. Seaweed does that but I know you dont have access to it, there might be something else too.
Good idea if possible. If I could have a needle with a 3mm bore shoved in me to suck out puss from an abscise that formed after surgery then surely a smaller needle could be used to get rid of air? That and a good dose of antibiotics for the needle wound?
Sorry to hear that mate,
Cheers David, bit out of the blue this one.
Another treatment I've heard for cattle and horses is running them up and down a hill till the gas escapes
So wanted to see a happy Hollywood ending, as I know you did. I'm sure you'll be researching the matter for the future. I've always heard that goats are born easy and die easy. Take care.
That's a saying that we've never heard before...it certainly rings true at the moment.
I seen on a goat video. Where a guy had to cut the goat's belly to save it.
Sad th hear have a good day
Thank you Lester.
Keeping it real 🙏🙏🙏
Very real this one mate. Very unexpected.
Aww
Can't you pop a needle in the stomach?
Fkn ell…that was tough to watch…..I could literally feel you touch that one…..sad indeed….I’ll stick to veggie farming….lol….
Veggie farming....love it lol
😢
Sad news guys
Thanks YL, it was indeed. On the plus side we sold all the meat that morning & kept some for us & Toon's family.
The best way to treat a bloat , is sprite drink.
Troka needle.
In agreement with Gregoryjames50 below, this is an exceptional video. Thank you an Toon for sharing ,up and downs, with us.
This was a hard one to do. Such a great goat. She was exactly the right type we want in the herd.
sad mate
Tis indeed. Thank you for commenting 👍
Sorry mate not good
Nothing you can do about it Leigh ,you know your stuff but nature can kick you in the balls at times(like i know about goats 🤷♂️)Sad though mate
Thank you Geno 👍
castrate all bucklings and grow em on leigh
If we had more solar power so we could run our big chest freezer that's something we'd definitely do.
Word is slowly getting around that we've started selling goat meat. The slaughtering side of things is still a bit of an issue....can't find a bolt gun online in Thailand.
The Goat Man pays the best price for
INSTEAD CALLING VET HE LET HER DIE
We live remotely where vets have to be booked days in advance.
You could've simply asked "Why didn't you call a vet?"
But you didn't ask.