The first time i say a latin mass ( sung mass) and actually read what was being said at the foot of the alter it waa life changing. Thr first high mass i went too i was frozen and crying inside and out how beautful and meaningfull it was.
After going to only a Novus Ordo for my entire life and being a lukewarm/barely practicing Catholic, I began taking my faith seriously, and eventually found the TLM. Never went back to the NO, best decision of my life. Finally found a reverent liturgy with orthodox teaching and people who take the faith just as seriously. Glory to Jesus and Mary!
I'm practicing catholic, I'm happy that you converted from a bad state. I was also like this. Just one thing: don't say glory to Mary, you are putting her on the same level of God. That's not good. I'm sorry if I feel protestant, or someone who judges others. I don't know how to say it in another way. Sorry. Also correct me if I'm wrong in any way.
@@putin_alla_spina You would be wrong about that, giving glory to Mary is not putting her on the same level as God. Many saints, including John Paul II, have written about how Mary deserves glory and was the first to receive glory from God. Giving glory is not the same as worship.
Thank you brother this made my ideas clearer! I have a question: what about the orate frates? I am supposed to hear that? Should we respond to that prayer or the servers do? Idk can you tell me? Thank you
You may or may not hear it, depending on whether the music drowns it out. You don't have to respond to it, but I'm a server so I usually respond to it when I hear it
@@Altare_Dei thank you. What about low mass. Because one time I went to low mass without a server and the priest just turned around and said it very very quietly I didn't even hear it, so I didn't understand if I should or shouldn't respond
yep, most of the prayers are different and one has a lot more lacking then the other. Even if you are lucky to have a very rev NO mass. Look at the two missiles side by side. Don't get me wrong I would rather have more very Rev NO masses in the world then what we have now, but the EF/TLM no matter where you go is always solid and consistent.
The Divine Liturgy is actually quite innovative. A first century “mass” would be the Agape Feast. 4 didn’t remain, Rome excommunicated Constantinople only and later under Ottoman rule the Orthodox Church fully separated
@ambientapathy777 The further back one goes, the less complete the picture is. The Anaphora of Addai and Mari has been mentioned. Didache and Justin Martyr are both early and both give liturgical information, but are problematic because one is a "church order" and the other an apologist. The earliest prayerbook of the Byzantine Rite is from the 8th century, but even that is by no means a complete liturgy in every sense. But it does contain all the priest's prayers for the Eucharist. I'd recommend *The Search for the Origins of Christian Worship* by Paul Bradshaw if you're interested in the details of this process.
@ambientapathy777 The further back one goes, the less complete the picture is. The Anaphora of Addai and Mari has been mentioned. Didache and Justin Martyr are both early and both give liturgical information, but are problematic because one is a "church order" and the other an apologist. The earliest prayerbook of the Byzantine Rite is from the 8th century, but even that is by no means a complete liturgy in every sense. But it does contain all the priest's prayers for the Eucharist. I'd recommend *The Search for the Origins of Christian Worship* by Paul Bradshaw if you're interested in the details of this process.
I *think* the oldest still in use is the Assyrian Church of the East Liturgy. The oldest anaphora is the Anaphora of the Apostolic Tradition from around 200-230. There is some argument whether this was an actual text read at the Liturgy or what it could be like since we know at least in 150, where we get the oldest order of a service, the Anaphora prayers were still improvised by the bishop.
The first time i say a latin mass ( sung mass) and actually read what was being said at the foot of the alter it waa life changing. Thr first high mass i went too i was frozen and crying inside and out how beautful and meaningfull it was.
After going to only a Novus Ordo for my entire life and being a lukewarm/barely practicing Catholic, I began taking my faith seriously, and eventually found the TLM. Never went back to the NO, best decision of my life. Finally found a reverent liturgy with orthodox teaching and people who take the faith just as seriously.
Glory to Jesus and Mary!
That's beautiful!
I'm practicing catholic, I'm happy that you converted from a bad state. I was also like this. Just one thing: don't say glory to Mary, you are putting her on the same level of God. That's not good. I'm sorry if I feel protestant, or someone who judges others. I don't know how to say it in another way. Sorry. Also correct me if I'm wrong in any way.
@@putin_alla_spina You would be wrong about that, giving glory to Mary is not putting her on the same level as God. Many saints, including John Paul II, have written about how Mary deserves glory and was the first to receive glory from God. Giving glory is not the same as worship.
@@Altare_Dei thanks. I'm sorry
@@putin_alla_spina no worries
Awesome video my brother thank you 👍
WE GOING TO THE TLM WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
lmao
Your Channel is Awesome Bro ❤️🔥
Thank you so much!
Ngl I just realized now who this was 😂thanks Ozzy
Not a Christian but this is really interesting, I find learning about other religions fascinating.
Keep searching. God loves you and wants you to get closer to Him.
I suggest you look for a Latin Mass if there is one near you! You will love it!😊
www.latinmassdir.org/ can help you find a Latin Mass near you
Keep searching, and you will find the Orthodox church :)
@@perrypappas947 Do you mean Orthodox as in the Eastern Christian Church or Orthodox as in what is traditionally accepted?
This is some Trad Cat 🔥🔥🔥
Excellent, thank you this really helps
Glad I could help!
Completely another world! Thanks bro!
@@annamarialocurtodesign of course! Glad I could help you understand
@@Altare_Dei I knew the difference from time! But I'm happy about your initiative!! 😃
Thank you brother!
@@VaticanII_isValid ofc!
@@VaticanII_isValid great username btw
@@Altare_Dei Thank you!
Breath of fresh air after getting jumped by multiple sedes.
@@VaticanII_isValid yeah, that's the risk I run making liturgical videos. You'd be surprised the horrible things people say 😔
Thank you brother this made my ideas clearer! I have a question: what about the orate frates? I am supposed to hear that? Should we respond to that prayer or the servers do? Idk can you tell me? Thank you
You may or may not hear it, depending on whether the music drowns it out. You don't have to respond to it, but I'm a server so I usually respond to it when I hear it
@@Altare_Dei thank you. What about low mass. Because one time I went to low mass without a server and the priest just turned around and said it very very quietly I didn't even hear it, so I didn't understand if I should or shouldn't respond
@@putin_alla_spina Same goes for Low Mass. You can respond if you want but you don't necessarily have to
This is almost identical to the Novus Ordo
In the general structure, yes, but the differences can be pretty stark when you look more into it.
yep, most of the prayers are different and one has a lot more lacking then the other. Even if you are lucky to have a very rev NO mass. Look at the two missiles side by side. Don't get me wrong I would rather have more very Rev NO masses in the world then what we have now, but the EF/TLM no matter where you go is always solid and consistent.
Or you can see a true 1st century mass at your local Orthodox Church. Flee from Schismatics, why did only one bishop seperate when 4 remained?
@@ambientapathy777 We celebrate Divine Liturgy too, you know. But I still pray that your church and mine can reunite 🙏
The Divine Liturgy is actually quite innovative. A first century “mass” would be the Agape Feast. 4 didn’t remain, Rome excommunicated Constantinople only and later under Ottoman rule the Orthodox Church fully separated
@ambientapathy777 The further back one goes, the less complete the picture is. The Anaphora of Addai and Mari has been mentioned. Didache and Justin Martyr are both early and both give liturgical information, but are problematic because one is a "church order" and the other an apologist. The earliest prayerbook of the Byzantine Rite is from the 8th century, but even that is by no means a complete liturgy in every sense. But it does contain all the priest's prayers for the Eucharist.
I'd recommend *The Search for the Origins of Christian Worship* by Paul Bradshaw if you're interested in the details of this process.
@ambientapathy777 The further back one goes, the less complete the picture is. The Anaphora of Addai and Mari has been mentioned. Didache and Justin Martyr are both early and both give liturgical information, but are problematic because one is a "church order" and the other an apologist. The earliest prayerbook of the Byzantine Rite is from the 8th century, but even that is by no means a complete liturgy in every sense. But it does contain all the priest's prayers for the Eucharist.
I'd recommend *The Search for the Origins of Christian Worship* by Paul Bradshaw if you're interested in the details of this process.
I *think* the oldest still in use is the Assyrian Church of the East Liturgy. The oldest anaphora is the Anaphora of the Apostolic Tradition from around 200-230. There is some argument whether this was an actual text read at the Liturgy or what it could be like since we know at least in 150, where we get the oldest order of a service, the Anaphora prayers were still improvised by the bishop.