@@mememan2344 lmao don't sprain yourself jumping to that conclusion buddy. I payed for her to go to school for graphics design she went 2 weeks and stopped because it was "too hard". I then spent 3 paychecks building her a pc so she could stream from home and learn from home. She didn't do shit. Guess what she took with her though when she did run away to her cousin's house? Mhmmmmm. She was mentally ill but refused any kind of treatment. Kind of person who can literally only talk bad about other people to make connections with strangers and if you try and ask her what good her parents etc did for her (her parents were better than mine and good people) she'll literally ignore the question because the only way she can feel good is by putting others down. She was/is racist as fuck by the way. Honestly the way you talk I hope you and her get together. Her last ex she got after me seemed like the sweetest guy ever and she chewed him out online for being a "pussy" and left him too. But pop off I guess because you're the only person in the world to be abused. 😑
@@DnBastard well excuse me and sorry for making that accusation. Blessings unto you in fact. After watching all these crime videos, I'm just hungry to find abusers of all sorts :O
My very verbally abusive older brother called my mom randomly some weeks ago to invite her for some coffee and lunch... Told her to be wary of that. He informer our mom that he was going to be remodeling the house... HER house, because he was having visits and he wanted the house pristine so he wanted us to be the maids to his friends, to get rid of the pets and to move out for the 10days of house destruction and if our items were there they were going to be moved or put in the trash... Informed her... Mom was so shocked she didn't even tell him no. So when I got told his plans I raised hell, she finally snapped out and told him no. So he called her and threatened her etc. So now she's making sure the house deeds and everything is under my name. Because if anything happens to her he would've probably taken all the inheritances... Not giving anything of the 50% to me... We're still working with the lawyer but I'm scared of him. He's violent, he's armed and he's a narcissist
@@kasm7870 you aren’t giving him too much credit, he def was planning on leaving not enough evidence for people to even realize he was chopped up (he thought that if he completely destroyed all evidence and burned the house down that the police would rule it either a murder suicide or just a house fire incident). But he was foolish to think police would suspect that, family testimony would prove that he was a loving father and husband that would never do such a thing. And Joel jr being financially cut off right before would not escape the law enforcements attention
I think Joel jr was so nonchalant about leaving the crime scene half cleaned up because he didn’t have any understanding of personal relationships. He probably couldn’t fathom anyone becoming concerned by not hearing from his parents because he himself is not capable of having those feelings for another person. His mothers boss had nothing to gain personally by calling the cops but did anyways for reasons Joel jr doesn’t understand, because he’s only driven by personal gain.
That and he has a god complex.. he thought all of this out… tried to “frame” his father but didn’t think anyone would question who cleaned up the script?
Jennifer (from Lisa's work), who called the police on the first day she didn't show for work, is a friend everyone should have. The fact that she insisted that the police go back to Lisa's house to check on her bolsters my point. Additionally, credit to the police for punctually doing their jobs instead of the usual, 'we have to wait 72 hours before we can take action' BS.
Yep. Imagine if Jennifer had not been persistent, allowing Joel more time to clean up the crime scene. I mean, he was lazy and probably would have left evidence behind, thinking the police would be too dumb to find it. Also, that would mean another day for the poor dog to be shut in a room.
Jsyk, the 24-72 hours thing is a trope made up for movies. If someone you know is absent suspiciously, call as soon as you think alarm is warranted. DO NOT WAIT!!!
Agreed on both points. Although I felt the first welfare check was poor. I have no idea what a standard welfare check looks like and what officers cannot do without a warrant or probable cause, but the cars being home without the owners surely would have seemed odd. And I would have thought the officer could have at least jumped into the backyard like the detective did on the second visit. If he had done that Jenny wouldn’t have needed to insist because there was enough evidence there that I felt the first officer should have noticed. Heck, I feel like me as a citizen would have noticed.
@@tacticalpossum7090 it use to be a requirement to wait that long before launching a missing persons report some pd still make that same excuse (ive had to deal with it)
What I don't understand is how he expected people to believe his dad committed the crime.... when his father was bathed in acid and dismembered after death.
I know. this guy thinks hes a genius or something but his plan was ridiculously stupid. as in even dumber than Chandler Halderson (who was really really dumb). congratulations Joel Jr. you somehow managed to be dumber than Chandler Halderson
I have to imagine that his obliviousness hit him like a ton of bricks as he watched testimony where the mother's employer immediately contacts the police because of one missed appearance. It's as if he decided they were done living if they weren't living for him, only to immediately discover they had this entire substantive existence outside of him that included friendships with people who cared for them in ways that he never stopped to consider.
Reminds me of one of my siblings... they rarely talk to me or are interested in my life, but anytime they happen to hear about me doing something with friends or loved ones of my own, they are completely shocked, as though anytime I'm not talking to them about their life, I just sit in the dark next to my phone waiting for their next call. Very sad and weird. I should mention that this sibling has openly stated they have zero friends or relationships. 😕
@@elleruach2301 I call this 'main character syndrome'. I only call it this because it helps me wrap my brain around the concept a little easier. As if everyone else is just an NPC that's programed only to interact with them and only them, and when they aren't around the NPC just.. Does nothing and waits for them to come back? It's really weird to think that there's likely a lot of people who don't even realize that other people have interpersonal relationships, activities, and do things just like they do.
It's kinda pathetic that the reason he was caught so quickly was the fact that he couldn't understand the idea of a friend checking in on his parents. Joel Jr was the kind of guy who would die and people would only realise when they smelt him decaying.
Joel wanted people to believe that his dad stabbed himself 42 times, then stabbed his wife 31 times before dismembering her and dumping the pieces in acid so they would dissolve, then proceeded to dismember and dissolve himself. Honestly, I don’t see how this could’ve gone wrong.
Don't forget he also cut his own hands off lmfao. I just don't even at the dudes stupidity. The fact that he couldn't even conceive of another party interfering with his parents life, y'know because they were actually loved and engaged with the community is actually kind of sad. He like just genuinely doesn't know how others could notice a lack of engagement. Since he's always locked up in his room, he's never been missed by anyone who isn't his parents by the sounds of it. Yet at the same time expected his moms entire paycheck? Such a warped sense of reality its insane.
Until those voices and footsteps left them for hours. I understand not wanting to mess up the crime scene, but that dog spent at least 3-6 hours more after they made entrance. I dont get why they cant grab the dog and leave, they had already 'contaminated' over half the house trying to make entry and looking for the victims
@@peanutbutter4949 omg I was thinking that too 😭 ik they didn’t wanna contaminate but they felt the heat and smelt the chemicals I mean come on, have a heart
I think the reason is this: the two deputies knew that this was a crime scene, and a more serious crime scene than they'd ever encountered. They had no idea what else might have been in the house, but they could tell that the place was going to require serious and thorough investigation. The less they disturbed, the more chance there would be of the crime being successfully solved and prosecuted. (They couldn't have known that Joel had left a detailed confession in the house.) I'm sure it hurt to leave the dog, but under the circumstances, going by the book and leaving the house for the CSI team seemed like the best decision.
Joel's unusual socializing at Thanksgiving reminds me of suicidal people who are suddenly happy in the days leading up to the act. There's relief in knowing they are going to follow through on something that they think will give them relief from their pain. Joel's relief was believing he could cash in on his parents' death.
He seems like a depressed psychopath. His flat mates said he mainly stayed in his room and he isolated himself from others. I would love to know if he ever will be diagnosed with any disorder.
"I'll kill dad and mom, then chop them both up and blame it on dad. Dad and mom had a wonderful relationship, so no one will doubt that dad hacked mom to death, chopped her up and put her head in a boiling pot of water, then chopped himself up and put their bodies, including his own, in tubs of acid. It's foolproof!" Fucking astonishing logic, Joel. Absolutely brilliant 👏
I love that he says to his friend “you’re the only good thing in my life” when his parents gave him the world on a silver platter. They did everything for him because they loved him.
“You’re the only good thing in my life” translation “You gave me sex and asked nothing in return so I could live my narcissistic lifestyle without owing anyone anything”.
So sad for the sisters who spent the holiday with their family and brother thinking he has finally "come around" only to find out it was all a ploy and part of a plan to murder their parents :(
Right, because I've seen a lot of people who've done just that. Not to the level of Joel, where they hated their family n was suckling on mom n daddy's titty milk their entire life, but where they were just sorta a loner n had really bad anxiety n it makes it hard for them to interact with others even family. But they'll come around one day n really put forth an effort to change that, n it's a really awesome thing sucks it was completely fake n for a nefarious reason here. To think, if he just finished college like he should've, he couldve been really making a good amount doing plastic surgery he wouldn't even need insurance money. He clearly wasn't the genius he thought he was tho so maybe he was doomed to fail, n doomed his parents along side him. This is just one of the stupidest and most fucked up cases, because everything could've ended up so so much different if he wasn't fucked in the head, prayers out to the sisters 🙏 hope one day with enough therapy they can understand and come to terms with their parents untimely and disgusting murders, and realize this dude was never their brother in the first place. He was a hateful disgusting stranger disguising as a family member determined to take everything from their parents, take n take n take, when they wouldve had such an amazing retirement and lived the rest of their lives peacefully without this loser who can't even get a job when he's apparently "sooo smart". The phone call at the end perfectly shows what kinda guy Joel is, a psychopath in a man's skin
@@Mike-xq7ibthey are dead and that’s devastating. Those two girls lost their parents to their own brother… Which is also devastating to them, you know because they’re alive and they have to live with that? How are you missing that?
@@Kratos-eg7ez As one of those "Loser" family members exactly. I have anxiety coming around because I never bring any gifts even though my sister insists I'm all that's required to be there. I still don't come sometimes because my pride gets in the way and I want to change that. I got my license and own place recently and just have started being able to go over consistently but I'm still poor lol
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago Try not to shoulder so much. I'm in a similar situation of not lik8ng to go to social gatherings empty handed. If you feel like bringing anything, even if they insist you don't and that your presence is enough, bring something you made or something cheap. Or offer to bring plates, utensils, etc.
Nickole Atkinson rang the police when she was worried about her friend Shannan Watts, she knew straight away something was wrong. Jennifer Whited rang the police and insisted they go back twice for a welfare check when she was worried about Lisa Guy. These people are heroes in the stories, we can all hope to have friends and work colleagues like this in our lives
Yes! I told my manager I was going to be late, and she never communicated it to anyone. 45 minutes after my scheduled shift, I had 3 missed calls from my coworker concerned I didn't go to work nor tell anyone I wasn't coming. I know she would warn the police right away if I was missing ❤
I came from an abusive family. It fills me with rage that someone had parents and siblings that loved and supported them, and did this. I would give an arm to have had parents who loved me, and siblings who were decent. The fact someone had what so many only dream of and destroyed it makes me inexpressably angry.
I’m sorry you had to go through that. I sometimes forget how truly lucky I am for the family I have. I hope you are in a good place and have your own family now be it friends or blood.
@@SMCwasTaken nothing in this comment mentions or even implies that OP is comparing their own outcome/choices to that of other abuse victims. They're angry that someone who was blessed with supportive and loving parents would take them for granted and murder them. They don't even mention anything about being better than other abuse victims. I'm honestly so confused where you came to this conclusion. They don't even say anything about "turning out fine"!
Yeah, when she got to the room with the pictures, it hit me. They loved him for years. I dont even think my parents have that many pictures of us up. His parents decided that maybe he should have to move on and care for himself so they could finally move on and enjoy their retirement which they earned. And he took it all away. Just makes me so angry and so sad.
Personally, it's for this reason that the goriness bothers me even more. Thinking of someone you love so much gleefully disrespecting your body after death...that really upsets me. His mom especially. She gave him everything up to and including her entire paychecks, and he still had so much anger and so little regard for her that he could could do that to her body. It's distressing.
Unfortunately his parents habitually rewarded his bad behavior…. So he always got his way. All he had to do is throw a hissy fit and stomp his feet. He 100% truly believed that it was his parents job to take care of him for his entire existence…. He did not know any better cuz that’s all they ever taught him by example…. And in their mind they were giving him things they never had. Such a sad sad story
Its sad how ungrateful some people are for their privileges. He had family wealth that so many people never get to experience, and he threw it all away by being selfish.
Sounds nerdy but I believe there is a difference between academic intelligence and emotional intelligence they say socio and psychopaths often lack emotions entirely
@@mofozi response to horsepanther of nobody telling Joel guy the truth about his level of intelligence. Just like when you see a big ugly woman who thinks she's hot, bc nobody told her the truth.
The human loss of life is tragic but that poor dog howling for help all that time is heartbreaking. Thank you for establishing its safety and why it wasn't immediately removed during the initial home search
The video stated why. They weren’t qualified to process the scene and waited till qualified personnel could come to clear the whole scene. I.e. figure out what to do with a dog in an uncleared crime scene
It made me sad, but I also understood why. They didn't know if the dog would be aggressive or not and plus it was a witness and part of a crime scene so if they messed with the dog, they could mess up whatever evidence it is carrying.
i feel like you trust your audience to be observant and empathetic in a way a lot of other true crime channels don't. you don't need to point out every little thing or make jokes, it's not about you as a personality and ironically that makes you very admirable as a creator. you recognize the gravity of what you cover and you hold your audience to a high expectation of being respectful as well. your channel is an example of what true crime coverage should be.
@@princess2none What "processing" or "coping" is being done by people covering true crime? You can literally only do those things if something has directly happened to you, listening to or talking about traumatic things that have happened to others that you have no personal experience with is not something a person can process or cope with. And if you're trying to suggest that people joking about and being lighthearted towards horror inflicted on other people is them 'using humor to cope' then... lol
@@SaVanityVan just like CSI or cops, true crime researchers have to go through the gory and gritty details of each case. They more than likely see the crime scene photos (bodies specifically), and that shit will take a toll on you. Constantly researching and surrounding yourself with horrific and abhorrent stories and photos can depress someone severely
Assuming he remains in jail and given how long a criminal can keep his case open on court, the death penalty does not mean immediate death. I get the feeling that in prison, he will be fresh near and will be easy prey for the other prisoner who will make life hell for him. Somehow, a long life of daily hell for him, doesn't seem unfair to him at all. Maybe he will feel regret .
He was so inept he failed to realize that just not showing up to your job would raise an alarm. He had no sense of accountability at all so he never even thought about that
He also had no love or respect for them (or anyone else it seems except his room-mate). He had already devalued them, so being a narcissist, it never occurred to him that they are loved and would be missed. Chris Watts made the same mistake regarding Shannan. Psychopathic killers seem to miss this element about the people they kill. The victims mean nothing to them and they can't comprehend them being important to anyone else. So sad for these parents, they unknowingly raised a psychopath.
@@reelmermaid8844 literally my worst fear. I feel like if I do have kids. Knowing how I am. And just that they finna have their own personalities. I know that I would most likely never be able to spot the signs. Because my kids are finna be on another level. I just hope that I do everything right so they stay on the righteous footing in everything they do in life. Cause trust my kids are finna know empathy. If anything imma make sure they hold that down.
He clearly has no remorse for the monstrous act of murdering people who loved him, but let's all hope he spends every day of his life embarrassed and ashamed of what an absolute idiot he is.
@@mentallydisturbedscience8900I'd think it would still be obvious to anyone who considers it, it's just logical. I've never flown a 737 but I know you probably shouldn't do a barrel roll in one.
@D-jj5dyyour wrong. The reason why he did it was because they were asking him to leave and fend for himself. He didn't want to do that and wanted to continue living off there money.
The walkthrough of the house made me so so sad. The old-fashioned almost kitschy styling of the house, the mildly cluttered garage as garages tend to be, the little knick-knacks everywhere, the dog toy stuffies on the living room carpet, that office *covered* with photos of their family. Joel Snr's closet having only blue jean trousers. The baby gate (that might have been for the dog but almost certainly may have been for their grandchildren) spattered with blood choked me up a little. This couple loved their family so so much. Thank you for the video and the walkthrough of this case.
It makes you realize when you see it, that what's extremely personal to you, is just a pile of junk to strangers. I expect all our homes would look like this to outsiders.
detective: *"its pretty easy to figure out what happened here, husband murders his wife, dismembers and flushes her down the toilet then kills himself, washes himself with bleach, dismembers himself and also flushes himself down the toilet. tragic"*
The description of his mother's head being torn off by sheer force is horrifying. I can't even imagine how sinister someone's thoughts have to be to do something so disturbing and macabre. I genuinely feel hurt by this case. I don't know the family. I don't know the parents. But after losing both my parents, especially my mother, who was a single mother and gave me everything she could to keep me happy, the only thing I ever wanted was to repay her for her love and care. This guy was handed everything and he killed her. I am just in complete shock. How can any family move past this?
The amount of force is also above and beyond...I am having a hard time cutting out certain parts of meat and this dude just ripped it off...apparently.
@@jesusbuiltmyhotrod humans are shockingly strong. Also considering he had just been fighting to murder his parents his brain had probably unlocked some of the muscular fail-safes it has in place to protect you from yourself.
Think about how determined this guy was to keep his life exactly how it was. He liked doing nothing, being nothing, and caring about no one. Just astounding.
I do wonder whether he much cared about going to prison during the trial. Hopefully reality hit hard once he got there, and obviously it was his preference not to go to jail, but he did wind up, one way or another, not having to work, not having to pay his way, being fed and clothed and given somewhere to live and sleep.
Brian Kohberger should be giving you quite some joy then. I'm the same as you in this regard and I can't wait for the trial to find out the rest of the Phd criminal mastermind's blunders there.
A lot of sociopaths are highly intelligent they simply have zero emotional empathy it's like being color blind. They just can't factor in anything outside of their cognition.
The plan he wrote planning the murders of his parents is strangely specific. The fact that he turned out so odd just reinforces the theory that some people are born with psychopathic tendencies.
@@rebeccamassey337 Today we tend to use that label very readily, as a catchall for what we perceive as cold blooded, scheming, systematic, depraved. No so very long ago it was rarely used to describe a murderer unless that was a specific diagnosed set of characteristics. A recent report by the British Psychological Society on research conducted on Serbian prisoners found that there were fewer markers of psychopathy in murderers than there were for other forms of criminality.
The howling dog and the boiling pot just made the whole thing 1000 x more creepy. I can't believe he had that one friend. How incredibly bizarre and unexpected to hear him saying that he'll miss him and nothing else. What a waste. An absolute, horrible waste.
Uh, no. That is not how anything works. If you get accused of something and your accuser can't prove that you did it, you are not guilty of what you were accused of. There is no "we couldn't prove anything, but we are still going to punish you" in a normal democratic society- that is reserved for totalitarian states and banana republics.
Every time the pot was in camera from the body cams and forensic video, it filled me with so much dread. He didn't do that for any other reason than to humiliate her. Knowing she was in that pot, just an lift of the lid away, is so heartbreaking. I can only hope she has a better next life than this one....
@@crow1994-bl I never said there was, just that I hope. Can you not comprehend sympathy, even for a murdered and humiliated woman? I may not believe in an afterlife or reincarnation, but I can certainly wish for there to be some kind of justice and happiness for her. Jacka**.
Knowing Lisa's head was in that stockpot is the most bone-chilling thing I have ever seen. Thank you for doing such a great job with these cases. You are always so victim-focused and respectful.
I know, right?! And the rage with which he decapitates her--the horror of it all is simply unforgettable (though I've long wished it were at this point). I was first into this case a few years ago, & all this time later, it's something that's stuck w/ me maybe more than any other detail from hundreds of these true crime cases as just utterly unfathomable. (Also...he has maybe the most punchable face of any perpetrator of any true crime murder content I've seen).
They had such a beautiful beautiful home. So many pictures of their children and family portraits. They loved them all so much, and I’m sure the decision to move out was a difficult but rewarding one. It hurts me so much that they were never able to enjoy their retirement and hang those pictures in a new home.
I am happy my parents got out of drugs, now they live a quiet happy life. i still give them money if I could. Let them retire and enjoy old age as they been through a lot of bad mess. they praise me as i never took drugs and able to not hate them for their past. Maybe being a decent person is just RANDOM, while you could grew up in a healthy family, but some mind twist themselves for any sort of reason. Or i just lucky that my mind still hold up to Captain America.
It reminds me so much of my friends and grandma's houses. Like genuinely it caught me off guard. You can tell it was so well-loved and cared for. Makes me sad
i respect how this dude has a calm narration style in a world of over-stimulation and annoying loud in-your-face contenters. I also respect how he has a Patreon link, and does work worthy of support, so he doesnt have to cheapen the topic with ads and merch plugs, just an occasional verbal (and short) sponsor mention.
I would also highly recommend the channel by the name of that chapter; it’s not the same format as these videos but the man behind it captures similar qualities as this one
I truly hope they took inventory of the body parts in the bins and realized her head was missing and what might be in the pot on the stove. Purely so they could be somewhat prepared for what they were about to witness :(( that's so traumatizing
I find that people who feel like they are might be a loser, usually aren't. Introspection does wonders. It is the people who lack any self-awareness who tend to be the true losers.
His mother's boss is truly a saint. I've only known one manager I've ever had that would care enough to insist the police speak to me after not showing up to work.
All of mine would call constantly, and I would pick up, but if not, then my landlord, then definitely the police, and it was a restaurant job. I had teachers running through the school and calling different departments for me, a student. He just couldn't believe people cared
Seeing the pot on the stove, knowing what’s in there and the cops just walking by it makes me feel physically ill. It’s so unfathomable that someone can do that to anyone, let alone the people who love you most. It really shows how entitled, narcissistic, and evil some people can be. This and the Halderson case have literally given me nightmares, they’re so horrible and tragic. Great video as always! You’re hard work really shows, I always look forward to your videos!
I'm so sorry you're having nightmares. But you're right. After seeing everything knowing that those spots are the blood of his parents is truly just disgusting and ghastly. I believe people are good out there and I still want to keep it in my heart but this at times makes me question how bad is the world. And to his own parents that love him dearly. May they rest in peace because they didn't deserve this. It just breaks my heart just to see him hurt. Imagine what they went through. It just makes me want to cry.
Omg the dog howling absolutely broke my heart. I know they couldn’t let the dog out initially but that dog was asking for help. I would have struggled to ignore it. What an evil person this man is! His parents did everything for him!
They couldn’t let the dog out immediately as it might have disturbed the crime scene, so they required confirmation as was explained in the video - the cops did a good job here
@@yourmum69_420 no, because human life trumps animals to law enforcement every time. you can possibly remove a victim through a window with a fire rescue team and ems, but the risk of doing that with a dog that does not have the conscience to understand the situation is much higher. the dog can bite and injure law enforcement as well. they, at that time, do not know if the dog will launch at them as soon as they open the door.
How do you frame someone for a murder suicide and then tamper with both bodies? Doesn’t make sense you would need to leave the bodies alone for that to even be a possibility of working. He couldn’t do that to himself after he was dead.
I thought the same, like boo if you want to make it seem like a murder suicide, leave both bodies alone, because he cant dismember himself if he is dead
For someone who thought he was so smart he obviously dumb af. His whole plan was flawed and he couldn't even carry it out physically even if he wanted to because he was unfit. Disgusting sad little man
My B minus son who smokes a substantial amount of weed could plan a better murder/suicide off the top of his head. Also, the worse thing he ever does is not call or text me back right away. Daaaaamn.
He probably thought that after the fire burnt the house down theyd find the hand with the dna and link it to a murder suicide.... The rest of his mom and dads bodies would have been melted away by the chemicals and whatnot so the left over hand would have been the only evidence of either of them left....
Dude, thank you so much for including the point that Lisa’s stepdaughter’s mentality in parenting is “what would Mama Lisa do?” It’s such a humanizing fact and highlights how goddamn beautiful a human she was. What a beautiful family and horrendous person who destroyed such a family.
Agreed. It reminds me of my own relationship with my step-father (bio dad died of cancer rip). There are lessons from him that I carry with me, that have given me the confidence to live genuinely without needing to please others. The idea of his life ending the way Lisa and Joel Sr.‘s did, makes me choke up thinking about it.
Today, I watched a True Crime Doc. The police waited for SWAT to clear the house as they weren’t sure someone was in the room with the dog. They showed Body Cam of SWAT walking the dog (black Lab) out of the house over to the next door neighbor for safety.
I can't imagine the sheer horror of realizing someone you love and have cared for since they were born, your child, is trying and succeeding is murdering you. So horrible
Yeah this is what gets me, and he did it all to destroy everyone, he did it incompetently too... he could barely have left more evidence, even leaving a door knob off?? I'd say that seems sus but then this is top tier incompetence
It’s rare for me to become uneased by true crime at this point, but this one made me physically ill. The dog howling, the officers walking by the stove not knowing what was in there, and this man doing this to people who had only shown him kindness…it’s so crazy to believe that this is a real thing that happened
@@PyrrhusBrin the Sylvia documentary mad me so angry and sad I think I'm traumatized from hearing what she went through. But this channel has amazing content.
yeah I know. if you're into this genre you see some horrible sh*t. I think what sets this apart is exactly what you said. How can someone do this to people who loved him and went above and beyond what most parents do (not because they dont want to but just cant afford) in supporting him financially after 18, not just by paying for school but just giving him her entire paycheck to live off. he is a truly evil and irredeemable pos.
for some reason the bags on the floor really had an affect on me. i feel like i can see her with them before being attacked by the young boy she gave everything to. absolutely gut wrenching
What a psychopath. He looks like the only emotions he's able to experience are scorn, pride and anger. Poor doggie's howls broke my heart but I'm glad he's okay now.
So comedically intriguing is how he made such carefully detailed plans which resulted in likely one of the most sloppy, incompetent easily solved murders of all time.
That's one possibility, but I believe it didn't occur to him because he couldn't see anyone past himself and his own wants. The level of selfishness and narcissism he lived on is truly unmatched. It was hard for me to watch him sitting in the court room feigning interest and appearing bored half the time, like he was waiting his turn in traffic court. Infuriating. I wanted to reach through my screen and strangle him.
This is what I thought too lol. Nobody would check on him, and he would never check on anybody else, so it didn't occur to him that other people do that sort of thing
What an adorable little home. Detailed, sweet and very much cared for. Sad to see the groceries piled up by the door, she purchased herself a new lipstick. They were selling the home to make another move in their lives together, all ruined and laid to waste. Now the home will be forever stained as the place where two people were brutally murdered, and a head boiled on the stove. All the hard work by those who loved it and the people inside, flushed by a selfish unfeeling monster.
The proper thing to do would be to bulldoze the house, build a new one on its footprint, and give the new build a different street number. As they did with the site of the Sharon Tate murders.
I always wish this story ended with the dad killing his son :/ Joel is literally such a waste of life. I have never seen such a clear definition of one.
Like the Taylor Schabusiness bodycam footage. They just kind of stared blankly into the bucket not really capable of processing what was it was they were seeing.
Oh they knew. But to acknowledge is to face reality. I watched one where q cop pulled over a dude driving the cars of a dude who had been reported missing. The camaro had bullet holes all through it. Aviut thirty minutes in he says welp I'm gonna do the obvious and pop the trunk. When he says that you can tell he's been thinking this from the start and had a hunch especially once he finds out the camaro owner was missing. Its heartbreaking to have to face the reality that some people are absolutely disgusting. To hear them cough is to know that they are gagging to the crime scene and they work in this line of work.
Thank you so much for putting in the commentary about the dog. A lot of content creators just brush over the fact of the animals that are affected in situations like this and it's so nice to hear someone actually thinking about the pets in these terrible situations
@@supraguy4694it shows that they know that murder is fundamentally wrong, and that they cannot claim otherwise without cognitive dissonance. (i say this, and still disagree with the high-end of large sentences for crime.)
I nearly started crying when I heard that poor baby crying like it was. Animals are much more in tune with emotions and situations than a lot give them credit for and I cannot even imagine how awful this was for him. There are so many times when I’ve watched videos where an animal is present or briefly mentioned and then they’re never brought up again and I’m sitting there worrying about the animal the entire time not knowing what happened to them so it was really nice to hear about the dog right away. They’re too often forgotten about or overlooked and I know that I and many others want to know how they’re doing as well.
I've always been flummoxed by how anyone in the 21st century could possibly think they could get away with murder, but then I remember that clinical narcissism exists.
I feel bad for the officers who thought they were doing a routine welfare check and wound up walking in to that scene. That's horrifying! That dude is a straightup monster.
He seems to believe that his parents or anyone only exist when he is interacting with them. It never occurred to him anyone would miss his parents or come looking for them. He also didn’t seem to realize his siblings would be heirs too and he would have to share.
I really appreciate the fact that you humanize the victims involved, many videos have this eerie inhuman aura to them, an almost disregard to the fact that a horrifying murder happened. Thank you for covering this.
Agreed, it was nice to hear how great of people they were🥺 I feel so bad for the dog. Lost his parents :/ and the girls too.. anyone involved that loved them must miss them so much :(
@@mr.herbert532 They always were, but the media often treats victims of murder as nothing more than sensationalist media, dehumanizing them. Look at the true crime community for example, they rarely talk about the victims before the murder.
He literally has his nose so far up in the air that his face shield is on actually on an incline! I’m surprised that they let him wear that in court because most of the time, his nose and mouth aren’t shielded. He also studies those gory photos of his parents displaying no negative emotions; and at one point looks very proud of himself, disgusting…
@@angele5321 well 1. Some believe suicide to be an immortal sin (which isn't a thing but that's beside the point) 2. That would require him to have the actual desire to die 3. It'd also require the guts to do it and 4. It's likely that few who ask for it truly want it. It's a trial tactic
I remember from some other video the judge ordered him to wear the face shield instead of a normal mask (it was during covid IIRC) so jury would be able to see his face and reactions.
it is so unfortunate that the couple was murdered before either of them could retire over a person who felt entitled to the money of the only people that ever loved him
The poor dog howling in the background, knowing he was on there the whole time honestly kills me. Knowing that man killed his parents is absolutely horrible as well, but jesus....this is a terrible case
He was planning to grind at least him (and maybe mom?) up in the meat grinder then flush him down the toilet, originally. He wasn’t originally planning for at least dad to be found. He was trying to frame him for his moms murder.
How did this guy end up having all the worst traits a human can have, when he had such a nice and supportive family? I don't get how someone can end up like that
This guy was defect to the core, as a result of a very severe personality disorder. Possibly multiple. Severe schizoid personality disorder would be my guess.
That's EXACTLY how. He was too indulged by his parents. His parents were too supportive, too forgiving. That being said it's not their fault and it isn't fair. All the worst people have the best and most kind families. Frankly his behavior screams in c e l. I really wonder if he was involved in their community. He seems like the type of person to feel entitled to a girlfriend too . It also sounds like he had a serious gaming addiction
Don't get me wrong I LOVE the internet. But it might be the internet. We see more and more of these cases where kids waste their lives on the internet so can't do study and flunk out and I've battled with it as a parent too. One thing I haven't battled with as a parent is that my kids aren't into dark parts of the internet thank GOD. I mean I'm pretty confident they aren't I at least know the kind of stuff they do instead of homework.
Some people are just born as evil psycho/sociopaths. See the other vid Dreading did about Nancy Spungeon and the Port arthur maniac.. they were just born this way.
@@lynncantrell2782 You've met your quota for virtue signaling. You can collect your ribbon from your assigned distribution center. We thank you for your efforts in furthering self-righteous indignation.
How was it supposed to look like a murder/suicide if he desolves his dad's body, too? Dude was not as smart as he thought he was. He's very evil, though.
I assumed his plan had intitally been to murder them both, remove as much evidence as possible and then burn the house down, he was a dumb man, evil as hel.
I think the plan was to Make it look like his dad killed his Mom, got rid of his mom's body, and then fled. So he had to remove his dad's body completely, and leave some parts of his mom's body around... Or something... I don't know man.
It's disturbing how similar this case is to the Chandler Halderson murders. The same aggrieved entitlement, the same loving parents, almost the same m.o. Shocking.
It really is so shocking. I was a single mom to my son and doted on and probably indulged him too much at times. Love him beyond words, and to think a child could do this to such seemingly loving, caring parents who did all they could believing it would help ensure their sons success is beyond baffling. Makes me so incredibly sad for many reasons, but it also makes me look at my own relationship with my son. Not that I think he would do anything like this, but I relate in the way they tried to set him up to be successful. How? God, you never know wtf is going on in anyone's heart and mind. 😞
For someone who comes from a broken abusive home, I would love to have had loving supporting parents like Michael and Lisa. This infuriates me to no end.😢
His parents were too supportive, keeping him into a bubble and paying for everything and allowing him to be on his own. What kind of parents send a growing up son her all paycheck
he murdered his parents so he wouldn't have to get a job, wrote his plan out and left it on his person for the duration of the entire crime and investigation, and thought that fingerprints would melt at 90 degrees Fahrenheit. there's so much to make fun of there that i just find calling him ugly silly and unnecessary. don't judge people on their appearances, even if they're murderers.
I can't image how chilling it was. The empty doghouse, the cars, the groceries. Then going in the house... the dog howling in the distance from upstairs. I can't even imagine what was going through their heads.
What a creep! He just looks disturbed. Occasionally, it looks like his eyeballs are about to pop out of his creepy little head. His parents deserved so much better than that. I wonder if they had any idea their son was a psychopath? 😔
Indeed. I was about to comment on how the Cops started the investigation of the house and continued to *follow through* without needing to *ask permission from a superior*
Thank you so much for letting us know early on that the dog is OK. I feel so bad for him and I’m so glad I didn’t have to worry about him for the rest of the video.
Me too …l actually has to mute the poor dog howling, it upset me so much. The heat, the loss of his parents, no food, water, locked in basically a closet. This guy needs the d£ath penalty for that crime alone. Those poor parents, how deceived were they 😢
This is your first time hearing of this ‘thing’ and his crimes? This is one that I think about when I’m at a red light or just not thinking about anything in particular…. It’s bad …. What a great family he had…
for some reason, hearing that dog’s howls of agony just gives me chills. the horrific things that innocent animal had to witness. it’s such a comparatively small detail but it just adds a whole other layer of cruelty.
Fortunately the dog was adopted by one of the stepdaughters & has kids to play with now, so he went to a home where he knows the people already and gets lots of playtime & walks.
Yeah that was horrible to. Not only witnessing the brutality of their owners murder but being kept locked up in a house starving, no water and the heating system turned on high hot all that time. Poor thing 😢
@@XxRosexX96 So? It's a religious denomination for many people, it's not all about blood sacrifice like the Satanic-Panic of the 1980s tried to make us believe. Satantic worshippers are actually forbidden from killing or hurting, children and animals included, and most Satanic churches actually pay taxes...
Watching the body cam footage of the officers entering the house filled me with such dread, knowing what they were about to walk into. I can't even imagine how ominous and horrible it must have been to walk into that house, with the heat and the chemicals, and come across something so terrible. That poor family, poor dog, they deserved so much better.
Joel Guy Jr is a text book example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Can only imagine the shock these two people must have felt when their own flesh and blood murdered them. Such a heinous and tragic case.
@@driley5004 i think it's just the fact he was going to kill the dog even though that would've literally done nothing for him, just to then leave that poor puppy to starve after living through the trauma of losing his humans
@@juliesnoot2818 Right? I'll take a dog any day over that pile of inhuman turds. If you are that awful, your human card doesn't trump a dog in terms of who I'd like and sacrifice for more.
Joel legit has terrifying crazy eyes. Like the kind that looks at you like you're just a meat puppet and he's mentally calculating the best way to take you apart 😱
Jennifer is such a fantastic friend. She did not back down. She had to know if Lisa was ok. Good friend. True friend. I hope I have friends likes that, and I hope to be that friend as well.
Crazy how you can tell by someone’s face that they’ve never been through anything in their life. It’s hard to describe, but he doesn’t look young, you just looks like someone who’s never had to go through any kind of adversity. It’s like a certain softness you can see in their face. Maybe someone else can elaborate, but we have all seen someone like this in our own lives
I agree. I feel to some extent us people who have experienced hardship almost have this pride/superiority towards others. Some people you can just look at them and know they haven’t gone through any immense struggles. They almost have this surface level personality, and they lack world experience and wisdom. I think this is best illustrated by a sense of humility and humbleness, I think we all reach a point were we don’t need to prove/ get attention all the time. When you see people that haven’t gotten that humbleness yet you can just sense it
I just don’t understand how you end up killing your parents that gave you an abundance of support and love. It’s so beyond illogical. Born psychopath im calling it. Them chemicals were off from the jump
I know this is about the brutal murder of two innocent people, but God, that dog howling really got to me. Thanks dreading for letting us know that he’s alive and doing as well as could be expected ❤️
I'm glad the dog is okay, at least. It hurt knowing that they didn't let him out for hours, but I realized something, if they let the dog out immediately, the dog would rush to check on its owners because it knows something happened to them, and that would risk contaminating the crime scene...
I mean...I'm pretty sure there were multiple police officers leaving footprints, outside debris, fingerprints, sweat, hair, etc. all over that crime scene. You know, HUMAN contamination. But removing the DOG would have been "contamination"? Are you serious?
@mnschoen yes, we are serious. You should think before you type. Would it have been possible to remove the dog immediately without contaminating the crime scene? Maybe, however, the risk needs to be mitigated - the dog is removed after the scene is documented.
I just... can't believe he wrote down the steps to the murder so meticulously and named it 'The Journal of Premeditation' or something... it's like out of a cartoon. Something Dr. Doofinschmirtz or Megamind would've pulled were they *actually* evil...
He really has the creepiest face I’ve ever seen. No matter how angry we can feel about our upbringing, most rational people realise that you don’t murder your parents to get revenge. He clearly has serious mental problems and I bet if the police hadn’t found the crime scene before he came back the dog would of been next. It’s very sad for the family left to mourn. That’s one child I Bet every one wishes had never been conceived.
@annesuffolk630: & some of prominent celebrities post pins on Pinterest of just getting off your ass & get a job.... He probably would of been a butcher. People meat in the supermarket shelves!!!! 😆😆😆😂 .
That dog's howling was so disturbing, because to me it was an ECHO of the torture, agony and confusion those two wonderful people felt while being horribly killed by someone they loved so much.
@@fufufluffmuffin Absolutely! Some people here said no, a dog just howls (without any emotion). But a dog is deeply sensitive to its owners, so in addition to being thirsty, he was feeling grief for his owners' death. He must have heard their terrible screams.
@@GradKat well yes, but it is VERY obvious that it was not a normal howl. if you know anything at all about dogs (or animals in general, really), you can tell that it's the sound a dog makes when in pain. you've gotta be extraordinarily dense not to pick up on that.
Absolute hats off to the forensics teams that went through the house and documented the poor parents in those bins in the bathroom. I used to want to be a forensics officer but after watching crime shows and documentaries, I don’t have the mental fortitude for such an unfortunately necessary job. This is a horrific case and well done to Dreading for presenting it in such a well-thought and respectful manner. May their memories always be a blessing to the rest of the Guy family. Hope ole bug eyed boy rots wherever he goes, for eternity.
A good rule of thumb is: If someone that you know is evil starts acting nicely towards you, be extra wary of them. They're up to something.
My ex on the day she ran away from home while everyone was at work was out of character energetic. First time she ever got out of bed before me
@@DnBastardgood for her. As a survivor of abuse, we now must deal with you accordingly 😊 you'll get yours, unless you repent
@@mememan2344 lmao don't sprain yourself jumping to that conclusion buddy.
I payed for her to go to school for graphics design she went 2 weeks and stopped because it was "too hard". I then spent 3 paychecks building her a pc so she could stream from home and learn from home. She didn't do shit.
Guess what she took with her though when she did run away to her cousin's house? Mhmmmmm.
She was mentally ill but refused any kind of treatment. Kind of person who can literally only talk bad about other people to make connections with strangers and if you try and ask her what good her parents etc did for her (her parents were better than mine and good people) she'll literally ignore the question because the only way she can feel good is by putting others down. She was/is racist as fuck by the way.
Honestly the way you talk I hope you and her get together. Her last ex she got after me seemed like the sweetest guy ever and she chewed him out online for being a "pussy" and left him too.
But pop off I guess because you're the only person in the world to be abused. 😑
@@DnBastard well excuse me and sorry for making that accusation. Blessings unto you in fact. After watching all these crime videos, I'm just hungry to find abusers of all sorts :O
My very verbally abusive older brother called my mom randomly some weeks ago to invite her for some coffee and lunch... Told her to be wary of that.
He informer our mom that he was going to be remodeling the house... HER house, because he was having visits and he wanted the house pristine so he wanted us to be the maids to his friends, to get rid of the pets and to move out for the 10days of house destruction and if our items were there they were going to be moved or put in the trash... Informed her...
Mom was so shocked she didn't even tell him no. So when I got told his plans I raised hell, she finally snapped out and told him no. So he called her and threatened her etc.
So now she's making sure the house deeds and everything is under my name. Because if anything happens to her he would've probably taken all the inheritances... Not giving anything of the 50% to me... We're still working with the lawyer but I'm scared of him. He's violent, he's armed and he's a narcissist
Murder Suicide?? If dad kills and dismembered Mom, who dismembered Dad?? Yes, he’s brilliant indeed.
I’d imagine he was going to fully “disappear” his dad for that plan, but that might be giving him too much credit.
and he still didn’t consider that even with dad missing, if dad can’t be declared legally dead, he can’t get the insurance money anyhow
@@kasm7870 you aren’t giving him too much credit, he def was planning on leaving not enough evidence for people to even realize he was chopped up (he thought that if he completely destroyed all evidence and burned the house down that the police would rule it either a murder suicide or just a house fire incident). But he was foolish to think police would suspect that, family testimony would prove that he was a loving father and husband that would never do such a thing. And Joel jr being financially cut off right before would not escape the law enforcements attention
😂 I came looking for this comment.
Nah see he dismembered himself, as a ghost
I think Joel jr was so nonchalant about leaving the crime scene half cleaned up because he didn’t have any understanding of personal relationships. He probably couldn’t fathom anyone becoming concerned by not hearing from his parents because he himself is not capable of having those feelings for another person. His mothers boss had nothing to gain personally by calling the cops but did anyways for reasons Joel jr doesn’t understand, because he’s only driven by personal gain.
My thoughts exactly
I had the exact same thought.
That and he has a god complex.. he thought all of this out… tried to “frame” his father but didn’t think anyone would question who cleaned up the script?
Took the words right out of our mouths. Especially when they played that recording of Jen calling the non emergency number.
Great analysis
Jennifer (from Lisa's work), who called the police on the first day she didn't show for work, is a friend everyone should have. The fact that she insisted that the police go back to Lisa's house to check on her bolsters my point.
Additionally, credit to the police for punctually doing their jobs instead of the usual, 'we have to wait 72 hours before we can take action' BS.
Yep. Imagine if Jennifer had not been persistent, allowing Joel more time to clean up the crime scene. I mean, he was lazy and probably would have left evidence behind, thinking the police would be too dumb to find it. Also, that would mean another day for the poor dog to be shut in a room.
Jsyk, the 24-72 hours thing is a trope made up for movies. If someone you know is absent suspiciously, call as soon as you think alarm is warranted. DO NOT WAIT!!!
Agreed on both points.
Although I felt the first welfare check was poor. I have no idea what a standard welfare check looks like and what officers cannot do without a warrant or probable cause, but the cars being home without the owners surely would have seemed odd. And I would have thought the officer could have at least jumped into the backyard like the detective did on the second visit. If he had done that Jenny wouldn’t have needed to insist because there was enough evidence there that I felt the first officer should have noticed. Heck, I feel like me as a citizen would have noticed.
Wellness checks have never needed to wait 72 hours, nor do they.
@@tacticalpossum7090 it use to be a requirement to wait that long before launching a missing persons report some pd still make that same excuse (ive had to deal with it)
What I don't understand is how he expected people to believe his dad committed the crime.... when his father was bathed in acid and dismembered after death.
It's so idiotic. Even Grant Amato had a lot more brains than that and Grant Amato is an idiot.
Maybe he just wanted a relaxing bath
I know. this guy thinks hes a genius or something but his plan was ridiculously stupid. as in even dumber than Chandler Halderson (who was really really dumb). congratulations Joel Jr. you somehow managed to be dumber than Chandler Halderson
you and i are not as smart as joel it seems
@@PyrrhusBrin Being beaten to death isvbery stressful. Makes sense.
I have to imagine that his obliviousness hit him like a ton of bricks as he watched testimony where the mother's employer immediately contacts the police because of one missed appearance. It's as if he decided they were done living if they weren't living for him, only to immediately discover they had this entire substantive existence outside of him that included friendships with people who cared for them in ways that he never stopped to consider.
I see that a lot. People like Chris watts that think they can just hit the reset button and go start a new life. It's pretty wild.
Reminds me of one of my siblings... they rarely talk to me or are interested in my life, but anytime they happen to hear about me doing something with friends or loved ones of my own, they are completely shocked, as though anytime I'm not talking to them about their life, I just sit in the dark next to my phone waiting for their next call. Very sad and weird. I should mention that this sibling has openly stated they have zero friends or relationships. 😕
@@elleruach2301 That's unfortunate
@@elleruach2301 I call this 'main character syndrome'. I only call it this because it helps me wrap my brain around the concept a little easier. As if everyone else is just an NPC that's programed only to interact with them and only them, and when they aren't around the NPC just.. Does nothing and waits for them to come back? It's really weird to think that there's likely a lot of people who don't even realize that other people have interpersonal relationships, activities, and do things just like they do.
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After he killed them, he realized cleaning up a crime was a lot of realllly hard work and he was too lazy for that.
Ha ha. I think that's exactly what happened.
He had an owie on his finger dude 🥺
@@PointlessRhetoric 😂👍
He’s buying himself little self-congratulatory treats and I’m like “you haven’t even finished yet!”
Imagine letting that cut stop you from finishing the cover up. Let alone doing this in the first place
It's kinda pathetic that the reason he was caught so quickly was the fact that he couldn't understand the idea of a friend checking in on his parents. Joel Jr was the kind of guy who would die and people would only realise when they smelt him decaying.
looks like he already smells of decay
Similar to the Chris watts case. Shannan’s friend Nicole called for a welfare check the second she felt something was wrong.
There are good people who die lonely deaths like that, sad as it is.
that's the case with narcissists tho, that it's just them and only them.
Joel wanted people to believe that his dad stabbed himself 42 times, then stabbed his wife 31 times before dismembering her and dumping the pieces in acid so they would dissolve, then proceeded to dismember and dissolve himself.
Honestly, I don’t see how this could’ve gone wrong.
Don't forget he also cut his own hands off lmfao. I just don't even at the dudes stupidity.
The fact that he couldn't even conceive of another party interfering with his parents life, y'know because they were actually loved and engaged with the community is actually kind of sad. He like just genuinely doesn't know how others could notice a lack of engagement. Since he's always locked up in his room, he's never been missed by anyone who isn't his parents by the sounds of it. Yet at the same time expected his moms entire paycheck? Such a warped sense of reality its insane.
I'm only 5 minutes but I'm assuming he's not guilty? Right??
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@charleshastings7260 EXACTLY! I mean, it's the only thing that would explain such thorough self dismemberment.
I'm the chief detective for the the police department of USA city, I'd totally buy that story
That poor dog must have been so relieved to hear other voices! And that friend who called the police twice is an angel!!!!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Until those voices and footsteps left them for hours. I understand not wanting to mess up the crime scene, but that dog spent at least 3-6 hours more after they made entrance. I dont get why they cant grab the dog and leave, they had already 'contaminated' over half the house trying to make entry and looking for the victims
@@peanutbutter4949 half the house is not the entire house
@@peanutbutter4949 omg I was thinking that too 😭 ik they didn’t wanna contaminate but they felt the heat and smelt the chemicals I mean come on, have a heart
I think the reason is this: the two deputies knew that this was a crime scene, and a more serious crime scene than they'd ever encountered. They had no idea what else might have been in the house, but they could tell that the place was going to require serious and thorough investigation. The less they disturbed, the more chance there would be of the crime being successfully solved and prosecuted. (They couldn't have known that Joel had left a detailed confession in the house.) I'm sure it hurt to leave the dog, but under the circumstances, going by the book and leaving the house for the CSI team seemed like the best decision.
@@snowshoehare4712 That is your opinion and you certainly are entitled to it.
Joel's unusual socializing at Thanksgiving reminds me of suicidal people who are suddenly happy in the days leading up to the act. There's relief in knowing they are going to follow through on something that they think will give them relief from their pain. Joel's relief was believing he could cash in on his parents' death.
You’re exactly right
Yes I thought the same.
I think he did that because he didn’t want to be suspected of murdering them because of being resentful of them for not giving him any money anymore..
@@Blackbirdinthedeadofnight Exactly! I’ve watched his trial, it was thoroughly proven
He seems like a depressed psychopath. His flat mates said he mainly stayed in his room and he isolated himself from others. I would love to know if he ever will be diagnosed with any disorder.
"I'll kill dad and mom, then chop them both up and blame it on dad. Dad and mom had a wonderful relationship, so no one will doubt that dad hacked mom to death, chopped her up and put her head in a boiling pot of water, then chopped himself up and put their bodies, including his own, in tubs of acid. It's foolproof!"
Fucking astonishing logic, Joel. Absolutely brilliant 👏
The dog did it? 😂
@@ZombieDarkblade what the dog doin?
@@ZombieDarkblade it was the dog all along...
Life hack: how to go to prison
Dad's hand did it all...
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I love that he says to his friend “you’re the only good thing in my life” when his parents gave him the world on a silver platter. They did everything for him because they loved him.
I do wonder what their relationship was? Was Joel in love with him? It’s an odd thing to say to someone…from such an Odd off man
@@onetiredempath I love your username. Same.
He must have been a bum boy
@@onetiredempath I kinda wondered that too
“You’re the only good thing in my life” translation “You gave me sex and asked nothing in return so I could live my narcissistic lifestyle without owing anyone anything”.
So sad for the sisters who spent the holiday with their family and brother thinking he has finally "come around" only to find out it was all a ploy and part of a plan to murder their parents :(
Right, because I've seen a lot of people who've done just that. Not to the level of Joel, where they hated their family n was suckling on mom n daddy's titty milk their entire life, but where they were just sorta a loner n had really bad anxiety n it makes it hard for them to interact with others even family. But they'll come around one day n really put forth an effort to change that, n it's a really awesome thing sucks it was completely fake n for a nefarious reason here. To think, if he just finished college like he should've, he couldve been really making a good amount doing plastic surgery he wouldn't even need insurance money. He clearly wasn't the genius he thought he was tho so maybe he was doomed to fail, n doomed his parents along side him. This is just one of the stupidest and most fucked up cases, because everything could've ended up so so much different if he wasn't fucked in the head, prayers out to the sisters 🙏 hope one day with enough therapy they can understand and come to terms with their parents untimely and disgusting murders, and realize this dude was never their brother in the first place. He was a hateful disgusting stranger disguising as a family member determined to take everything from their parents, take n take n take, when they wouldve had such an amazing retirement and lived the rest of their lives peacefully without this loser who can't even get a job when he's apparently "sooo smart". The phone call at the end perfectly shows what kinda guy Joel is, a psychopath in a man's skin
@@Mike-xq7ibthey are dead and that’s devastating. Those two girls lost their parents to their own brother… Which is also devastating to them, you know because they’re alive and they have to live with that? How are you missing that?
@Thatonegirl989 that guy doesn't have a fully developed sense of empathy. Only surface level understanding clearly
@@Kratos-eg7ez As one of those "Loser" family members exactly. I have anxiety coming around because I never bring any gifts even though my sister insists I'm all that's required to be there. I still don't come sometimes because my pride gets in the way and I want to change that. I got my license and own place recently and just have started being able to go over consistently but I'm still poor lol
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago Try not to shoulder so much. I'm in a similar situation of not lik8ng to go to social gatherings empty handed. If you feel like bringing anything, even if they insist you don't and that your presence is enough, bring something you made or something cheap. Or offer to bring plates, utensils, etc.
Nickole Atkinson rang the police when she was worried about her friend Shannan Watts, she knew straight away something was wrong. Jennifer Whited rang the police and insisted they go back twice for a welfare check when she was worried about Lisa Guy. These people are heroes in the stories, we can all hope to have friends and work colleagues like this in our lives
Thank god for sympathy pain and empathy
Yes! I told my manager I was going to be late, and she never communicated it to anyone. 45 minutes after my scheduled shift, I had 3 missed calls from my coworker concerned I didn't go to work nor tell anyone I wasn't coming. I know she would warn the police right away if I was missing ❤
Yes we watched the video
Jennifer Whitehead
Still dead tho.
I came from an abusive family. It fills me with rage that someone had parents and siblings that loved and supported them, and did this. I would give an arm to have had parents who loved me, and siblings who were decent. The fact someone had what so many only dream of and destroyed it makes me inexpressably angry.
I feel you. I feel the same.
I’m sorry you had to go through that. I sometimes forget how truly lucky I am for the family I have. I hope you are in a good place and have your own family now be it friends or blood.
Just because you turned out fine doesn't mean others will
If he loved them dont killed them
@@SMCwasTaken nothing in this comment mentions or even implies that OP is comparing their own outcome/choices to that of other abuse victims.
They're angry that someone who was blessed with supportive and loving parents would take them for granted and murder them.
They don't even mention anything about being better than other abuse victims. I'm honestly so confused where you came to this conclusion. They don't even say anything about "turning out fine"!
It’s not even the gore that gets to me it’s the fact he didn’t care about them at all and they cared about him so much. Heartbreaking.
Yeah, when she got to the room with the pictures, it hit me. They loved him for years. I dont even think my parents have that many pictures of us up. His parents decided that maybe he should have to move on and care for himself so they could finally move on and enjoy their retirement which they earned.
And he took it all away.
Just makes me so angry and so sad.
@@tjrizvi251took the words right out of my mouth man.
@@VegaFadge Yeah 😞
Remember to hug your parents if they love you. You never know when they may go.
@@tjrizvi251 so true
Personally, it's for this reason that the goriness bothers me even more. Thinking of someone you love so much gleefully disrespecting your body after death...that really upsets me. His mom especially. She gave him everything up to and including her entire paychecks, and he still had so much anger and so little regard for her that he could could do that to her body. It's distressing.
The way his parents loved him so much and supported him so much only to be repaid with such brutal murders. It’s absolutely unthinkable.
They gave him too much, but they didn't deserve this. Let your children stand on their own
They were stupid enough to support this turd, they deserved what they got
Unfortunately his parents habitually rewarded his bad behavior…. So he always got his way. All he had to do is throw a hissy fit and stomp his feet. He 100% truly believed that it was his parents job to take care of him for his entire existence…. He did not know any better cuz that’s all they ever taught him by example….
And in their mind they were giving him things they never had. Such a sad sad story
@@viktordickinson7844That's literally not what caused this, he's sick af. Stop advising people to not help out their kids.
Its sad how ungrateful some people are for their privileges. He had family wealth that so many people never get to experience, and he threw it all away by being selfish.
I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that this guy was of even *average* intelligence.
Sounds nerdy but I believe there is a difference between academic intelligence and emotional intelligence they say socio and psychopaths often lack emotions entirely
It's because nobody told him the truth
@@warborg1237 ?
@@mofozi response to horsepanther of nobody telling Joel guy the truth about his level of intelligence. Just like when you see a big ugly woman who thinks she's hot, bc nobody told her the truth.
There’s definitely a difference between academic intelligence and emotional/social intelligence
The human loss of life is tragic but that poor dog howling for help all that time is heartbreaking. Thank you for establishing its safety and why it wasn't immediately removed during the initial home search
The video stated why. They weren’t qualified to process the scene and waited till qualified personnel could come to clear the whole scene. I.e. figure out what to do with a dog in an uncleared crime scene
@@Goldiegirl6240 I know the video said why I was thanking them for telling us instead of leaving us to speculate...
It made me sad, but I also understood why. They didn't know if the dog would be aggressive or not and plus it was a witness and part of a crime scene so if they messed with the dog, they could mess up whatever evidence it is carrying.
@@Goldiegirl6240u didnt read their comment very well
@@cfinley81a witness ? 😭
The punchibility of his face is off the charts
@ALA-FREAKING-BAMA! what a nice thought. 😊
@ALA-FREAKING-BAMA! agreed 100%! Still, he is a freaky looking SOB
And what his bug eyes buldge even more.
I couldn't agree more. He's also giving fat Chandler Halderson. Both pieces of dog shit from hell.
I was thinking with a good solid mallet.
"for the first time in his life, joel didn't give up"
absolutely FIRE line 💀
Yeah
Right 😂
I bet he never gives up when he plays wizard 101 for 15 hours straight
It caught me off guard lmfao 🤣
this fr
i feel like you trust your audience to be observant and empathetic in a way a lot of other true crime channels don't. you don't need to point out every little thing or make jokes, it's not about you as a personality and ironically that makes you very admirable as a creator. you recognize the gravity of what you cover and you hold your audience to a high expectation of being respectful as well. your channel is an example of what true crime coverage should be.
I hear ya barkin’ big dog.
How people process and cope differently... this is good but other methods are also good. The variety is a good thing
@@princess2none What "processing" or "coping" is being done by people covering true crime? You can literally only do those things if something has directly happened to you, listening to or talking about traumatic things that have happened to others that you have no personal experience with is not something a person can process or cope with. And if you're trying to suggest that people joking about and being lighthearted towards horror inflicted on other people is them 'using humor to cope' then... lol
@@SaVanityVan I agree somewhat, but your comment about only having to cope if you're directly affected isn't true. At all.
@@SaVanityVan just like CSI or cops, true crime researchers have to go through the gory and gritty details of each case. They more than likely see the crime scene photos (bodies specifically), and that shit will take a toll on you. Constantly researching and surrounding yourself with horrific and abhorrent stories and photos can depress someone severely
I'm normally against the death penalty because sometimes the system gets it wrong, but this guy was made for it.
It happens more often than a spared criminal goes on to take another live, if not more.
Assuming he remains in jail and given how long a criminal can keep his case open on court, the death penalty does not mean immediate death. I get the feeling that in prison, he will be fresh near and will be easy prey for the other prisoner who will make life hell for him. Somehow, a long life of daily hell for him, doesn't seem unfair to him at all. Maybe he will feel regret .
vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.
@@sorrowfulvixxxfuck your lord
Meh! Life without parole is a pretty rough run, especially if he lives for another 50+ years.
He was so inept he failed to realize that just not showing up to your job would raise an alarm. He had no sense of accountability at all so he never even thought about that
He also had no love or respect for them (or anyone else it seems except his room-mate). He had already devalued them, so being a narcissist, it never occurred to him that they are loved and would be missed. Chris Watts made the same mistake regarding Shannan. Psychopathic killers seem to miss this element about the people they kill. The victims mean nothing to them and they can't comprehend them being important to anyone else. So sad for these parents, they unknowingly raised a psychopath.
@@reelmermaid8844 literally my worst fear. I feel like if I do have kids. Knowing how I am. And just that they finna have their own personalities. I know that I would most likely never be able to spot the signs. Because my kids are finna be on another level. I just hope that I do everything right so they stay on the righteous footing in everything they do in life. Cause trust my kids are finna know empathy. If anything imma make sure they hold that down.
Well, he’s never had a job before, how would he know it would be strange for a reliable employee not to show up? 😒
He clearly has no remorse for the monstrous act of murdering people who loved him, but let's all hope he spends every day of his life embarrassed and ashamed of what an absolute idiot he is.
@@mentallydisturbedscience8900I'd think it would still be obvious to anyone who considers it, it's just logical. I've never flown a 737 but I know you probably shouldn't do a barrel roll in one.
She worked all those years giving him ALL of her paychecks.. just for him to do that to her? This is a real life demon.
LITERALLY
@D-jj5dyyour wrong. The reason why he did it was because they were asking him to leave and fend for himself. He didn't want to do that and wanted to continue living off there money.
@D-jj5dyah yes, assigning codependency based on.. not liking the style of someone's home. Such a well thought out theory.
maybe actually watch the whole video with more than half your brain before commenting next time @D-jj5dy
Remember there's two sides to every story!!☝️☝️☝️
The walkthrough of the house made me so so sad. The old-fashioned almost kitschy styling of the house, the mildly cluttered garage as garages tend to be, the little knick-knacks everywhere, the dog toy stuffies on the living room carpet, that office *covered* with photos of their family. Joel Snr's closet having only blue jean trousers. The baby gate (that might have been for the dog but almost certainly may have been for their grandchildren) spattered with blood choked me up a little. This couple loved their family so so much. Thank you for the video and the walkthrough of this case.
It makes you realize when you see it, that what's extremely personal to you, is just a pile of junk to strangers. I expect all our homes would look like this to outsiders.
Literally worked their dicks off all their life to get that house and retirement and their freak son was like NOPE. MINE.
Same. Seeing the dad’s clothes just piled up next to all the blood in the gym is really sad.
@@MegaBioGirl Yes same, seeing the baseball cap amongst the pile then the stack of other caps he owned in his closet was awful.
I know, it just made me extremely sad.
detective: *"its pretty easy to figure out what happened here, husband murders his wife, dismembers and flushes her down the toilet then kills himself, washes himself with bleach, dismembers himself and also flushes himself down the toilet. tragic"*
It was all done by Dad's hand... 👋
And the brilliant John "Has no eyes" Smith wins YET ANOTHER detective award
Oh and one more thing. I couldn't help but notice the DNA under your finger nails, Mr. Dad's Severed Hand. What's that about?
The description of his mother's head being torn off by sheer force is horrifying. I can't even imagine how sinister someone's thoughts have to be to do something so disturbing and macabre. I genuinely feel hurt by this case. I don't know the family. I don't know the parents. But after losing both my parents, especially my mother, who was a single mother and gave me everything she could to keep me happy, the only thing I ever wanted was to repay her for her love and care. This guy was handed everything and he killed her. I am just in complete shock. How can any family move past this?
YIKES 😬 don't remember that part I watched the whole trial I guess I blocked it out🤷🏻♀️
The amount of force is also above and beyond...I am having a hard time cutting out certain parts of meat and this dude just ripped it off...apparently.
This evil was born, not raised. I cant even imagine the horrors and trauma the surviving family has had to endure....
How did he even have the physical strength to do it? By all appearances he wasnt in good shape at all.
@@jesusbuiltmyhotrod humans are shockingly strong. Also considering he had just been fighting to murder his parents his brain had probably unlocked some of the muscular fail-safes it has in place to protect you from yourself.
Think about how determined this guy was to keep his life exactly how it was. He liked doing nothing, being nothing, and caring about no one. Just astounding.
Autistic?
I do wonder whether he much cared about going to prison during the trial. Hopefully reality hit hard once he got there, and obviously it was his preference not to go to jail, but he did wind up, one way or another, not having to work, not having to pay his way, being fed and clothed and given somewhere to live and sleep.
@@trala8911 Right? Maybe in the end, the thought of it as a win.
@@trala8911 well said
completely worthless .
I love when people think they’re so “highly intelligent” and then they get caught because of something very dumb. 😂 it just hits the spot
Later they claim "If it was me, I wouldn't have gotten caught!"
Writing down your crimes in your super secret journal...galaxy brain move
Magnet school, huh? Not sure I'm seeing it.
Brian Kohberger should be giving you quite some joy then. I'm the same as you in this regard and I can't wait for the trial to find out the rest of the Phd criminal mastermind's blunders there.
A lot of sociopaths are highly intelligent they simply have zero emotional empathy it's like being color blind. They just can't factor in anything outside of their cognition.
Thank you for updating on the dog. Those howls were gut-wrenching. I wish that poor baby the best.
The plan he wrote planning the murders of his parents is strangely specific. The fact that he turned out so odd just reinforces the theory that some people are born with psychopathic tendencies.
Evil is real.. Sometimes there isn't an explanation besides some people are truly evil.
I don't think hes psychopathic
@@uggggggghhhhh you don't? Whay do you think he is then?
@@rebeccamassey337 Today we tend to use that label very readily, as a catchall for what we perceive as cold blooded, scheming, systematic, depraved. No so very long ago it was rarely used to describe a murderer unless that was a specific diagnosed set of characteristics. A recent report by the British Psychological Society on research conducted on Serbian prisoners found that there were fewer markers of psychopathy in murderers than there were for other forms of criminality.
Not born, but created.
The howling dog and the boiling pot just made the whole thing 1000 x more creepy. I can't believe he had that one friend. How incredibly bizarre and unexpected to hear him saying that he'll miss him and nothing else. What a waste. An absolute, horrible waste.
Dont forget the hands....
@@phyllojoe5346 we would all like to forget about the hands, joe
The smell the dog must have known
Him and his “friend” were definitely more than friends
@@LolliDeathCrush It could have been one sided from Joel’s part for all we know.
Writing the plan down on a book called the book of premeditation is hilarious. Paving the way for that 1st degree murder charge like a champ
Uh, no. That is not how anything works. If you get accused of something and your accuser can't prove that you did it, you are not guilty of what you were accused of. There is no "we couldn't prove anything, but we are still going to punish you" in a normal democratic society- that is reserved for totalitarian states and banana republics.
That part sent me 🤦🏽♀️
**FARTS LOUDLY IN ORDER TO ASSERT DOMINANCE**
Couldn’t be a better textbook example 😂😂
Then leaving that book AT the crime scene with all his other stuff while the mom misses work on Monday. What a moron.
Every time the pot was in camera from the body cams and forensic video, it filled me with so much dread. He didn't do that for any other reason than to humiliate her. Knowing she was in that pot, just an lift of the lid away, is so heartbreaking. I can only hope she has a better next life than this one....
There is no "next life". Grow up!
@@crow1994-bl I never said there was, just that I hope. Can you not comprehend sympathy, even for a murdered and humiliated woman? I may not believe in an afterlife or reincarnation, but I can certainly wish for there to be some kind of justice and happiness for her. Jacka**.
@@crow1994-blbecause you sound so grown and mature? get real dude.
@@crow1994-blfunny you can’t respect others beliefs because it doesn’t relate to you, maybe you relate to joel jr!
There is actually. You sound like you and the murderer share the same type of arrogance.@@crow1994-bl
Knowing Lisa's head was in that stockpot is the most bone-chilling thing I have ever seen. Thank you for doing such a great job with these cases. You are always so victim-focused and respectful.
I agree, so chilling and sickening. I can’t imagine what it would have been like to the police- and that poor dog….
I feel bad for all the law enforcement that had to see everything in the home😭💔
And he Tore it the rest of the way off
the sous vide upstairs near the bins got me
I know, right?! And the rage with which he decapitates her--the horror of it all is simply unforgettable (though I've long wished it were at this point). I was first into this case a few years ago, & all this time later, it's something that's stuck w/ me maybe more than any other detail from hundreds of these true crime cases as just utterly unfathomable. (Also...he has maybe the most punchable face of any perpetrator of any true crime murder content I've seen).
You know someone’s weird as shit when your entire family thinks it’s insane when you interact with your immediate family 😅 yikes
Family aside, To be the friend on the stand. Holy cow.
They had such a beautiful beautiful home. So many pictures of their children and family portraits. They loved them all so much, and I’m sure the decision to move out was a difficult but rewarding one. It hurts me so much that they were never able to enjoy their retirement and hang those pictures in a new home.
I am happy my parents got out of drugs, now they live a quiet happy life. i still give them money if I could. Let them retire and enjoy old age as they been through a lot of bad mess. they praise me as i never took drugs and able to not hate them for their past.
Maybe being a decent person is just RANDOM, while you could grew up in a healthy family, but some mind twist themselves for any sort of reason. Or i just lucky that my mind still hold up to Captain America.
It reminds me so much of my friends and grandma's houses. Like genuinely it caught me off guard. You can tell it was so well-loved and cared for. Makes me sad
@@ihatecabbage7270 You are a good person, i have to learn a lot from you.
Yep. Dude there had not the first clue how good he had it... But looking at him, can tell he ain't right in the head.
i respect how this dude has a calm narration style in a world of over-stimulation and annoying loud in-your-face contenters. I also respect how he has a Patreon link, and does work worthy of support, so he doesnt have to cheapen the topic with ads and merch plugs, just an occasional verbal (and short) sponsor mention.
I would also highly recommend the channel by the name of that chapter; it’s not the same format as these videos but the man behind it captures similar qualities as this one
Contenters???
Fuck, can you imagine being the officer who took the lid off of that pot?
I truly hope they took inventory of the body parts in the bins and realized her head was missing and what might be in the pot on the stove. Purely so they could be somewhat prepared for what they were about to witness :(( that's so traumatizing
Traumatized for life ..I would expect!
Hmmm.. Head of Lisa.🍛💨 Delish! 😂
@@Weird.Dreams yikes dude…it’s not even remotely funny….
@@Weird.Dreams that's not funny. That's his mother man...
I have felt like a loser before, but compared to this guy I have never been close to being one. What a sad person
But he doesn’t even think he’s a loser that’s what’s crazy
Feeling like a looser has a tendensy to be a drive for self improvement, thinking you are an adonis wouldnt improve a person mutch at all.
I find that people who feel like they are might be a loser, usually aren't. Introspection does wonders. It is the people who lack any self-awareness who tend to be the true losers.
What you mean is pathetic. You can be poor, absolutely broke, and still be a good person. This GUY is a true loser for what he did.
@@joeblow1748hihi logically
He has 3 lives on his hands. His grandmother passed A DAY after her daughter was buried.
💔💔💔💔there is something so deeply heartbreaking about obviously grief-related deaths
Death from heartbreak is very real💔
His mother's boss is truly a saint. I've only known one manager I've ever had that would care enough to insist the police speak to me after not showing up to work.
All of mine would call constantly, and I would pick up, but if not, then my landlord, then definitely the police, and it was a restaurant job. I had teachers running through the school and calling different departments for me, a student. He just couldn't believe people cared
Seeing the pot on the stove, knowing what’s in there and the cops just walking by it makes me feel physically ill. It’s so unfathomable that someone can do that to anyone, let alone the people who love you most. It really shows how entitled, narcissistic, and evil some people can be. This and the Halderson case have literally given me nightmares, they’re so horrible and tragic.
Great video as always! You’re hard work really shows, I always look forward to your videos!
I'm so sorry you're having nightmares. But you're right. After seeing everything knowing that those spots are the blood of his parents is truly just disgusting and ghastly. I believe people are good out there and I still want to keep it in my heart but this at times makes me question how bad is the world. And to his own parents that love him dearly. May they rest in peace because they didn't deserve this. It just breaks my heart just to see him hurt. Imagine what they went through. It just makes me want to cry.
damn these give you nightmares?? I could see that. These videos are so damn good you feel it in your soul sometimes...
If you get nightmares from this stuff you shouldn't be watching it 🤣🤣🤣 it doesn't bother me
@@tngirl341 But the point is that what happened was disgusting and just truly despicable. And he will be put behind bars so he won't harm anyone else.
I totally agree ive seen this case before and the head in a pot really got to me too
I can’t imagine this guy being capable of anything other than smugly staring at a wall in a dark room. Which I guess is his life now.
He's got you fooled
He can meticulously plan out his day every day in prison. Especially the part about meeting Bubba in the shower.
He does have some bugged out eyes
I bet he feels real superior in there lmao, pathetic until the day he dies.
Sadly.. I bet he does not mind his time alone in jail .
Omg the dog howling absolutely broke my heart. I know they couldn’t let the dog out initially but that dog was asking for help. I would have struggled to ignore it. What an evil person this man is! His parents did everything for him!
That poor dog must have been half expired from the heat and chemicals. 😢
imo they should've let the dog out
They couldn’t let the dog out immediately as it might have disturbed the crime scene, so they required confirmation as was explained in the video - the cops did a good job here
@@annak9646 would they say that about a human left in there?
@@yourmum69_420 no, because human life trumps animals to law enforcement every time. you can possibly remove a victim through a window with a fire rescue team and ems, but the risk of doing that with a dog that does not have the conscience to understand the situation is much higher. the dog can bite and injure law enforcement as well. they, at that time, do not know if the dog will launch at them as soon as they open the door.
I never could have expected to ever think to myself "That person looks like he boils heads", but here we are.
LOL great comment
He's definitely got one of those head boiler's faces
How do you frame someone for a murder suicide and then tamper with both bodies? Doesn’t make sense you would need to leave the bodies alone for that to even be a possibility of working. He couldn’t do that to himself after he was dead.
He cut off his own hands, it was the perfect plan. You're clearly not as clever as the mastermind here.
I thought the same, like boo if you want to make it seem like a murder suicide, leave both bodies alone, because he cant dismember himself if he is dead
For someone who thought he was so smart he obviously dumb af. His whole plan was flawed and he couldn't even carry it out physically even if he wanted to because he was unfit. Disgusting sad little man
My B minus son who smokes a substantial amount of weed could plan a better murder/suicide off the top of his head. Also, the worse thing he ever does is not call or text me back right away. Daaaaamn.
He probably thought that after the fire burnt the house down theyd find the hand with the dna and link it to a murder suicide....
The rest of his mom and dads bodies would have been melted away by the chemicals and whatnot so the left over hand would have been the only evidence of either of them left....
Dude, thank you so much for including the point that Lisa’s stepdaughter’s mentality in parenting is “what would Mama Lisa do?” It’s such a humanizing fact and highlights how goddamn beautiful a human she was. What a beautiful family and horrendous person who destroyed such a family.
That part made me have to stop and catch my breath.
@@PrinCesA159 ME TOO!!
Agreed. It reminds me of my own relationship with my step-father (bio dad died of cancer rip). There are lessons from him that I carry with me, that have given me the confidence to live genuinely without needing to please others. The idea of his life ending the way Lisa and Joel Sr.‘s did, makes me choke up thinking about it.
I’m glad you were quick to say the dog survived and is doing well! Thank you for that.
Two loving and selfless parents got murdered in grisly fashion but who cares about that am I right? Filthy dog nutter.
exactly!!!!
Today, I watched a True Crime Doc. The police waited for SWAT to clear the house as they weren’t sure someone was in the room with the dog. They showed Body Cam of SWAT walking the dog (black Lab) out of the house over to the next door neighbor for safety.
😂
The last bit of hope for life at all 😢
The dogs howls as the cops go back outside are heartbreaking. I’m so glad he’s ok.
I can't imagine the sheer horror of realizing someone you love and have cared for since they were born, your child, is trying and succeeding is murdering you. So horrible
i would regret everything
That’s why I believe his mom didn’t fought back. I can only imagine the absolute shook and disappointment she felt, very sad
Yeah this is what gets me, and he did it all to destroy everyone, he did it incompetently too... he could barely have left more evidence, even leaving a door knob off?? I'd say that seems sus but then this is top tier incompetence
It’s rare for me to become uneased by true crime at this point, but this one made me physically ill. The dog howling, the officers walking by the stove not knowing what was in there, and this man doing this to people who had only shown him kindness…it’s so crazy to believe that this is a real thing that happened
This one and the one about Sylvia that was posted recently managed to make me feel sick.
@@PyrrhusBrin the Sylvia documentary mad me so angry and sad I think I'm traumatized from hearing what she went through. But this channel has amazing content.
People will say evil is subjective but this couldn't be further from the truth. Some people are simply born evil.
Right? I felt sick to my stomach, and also seeing the groceries laying where she had left them. 😔
yeah I know. if you're into this genre you see some horrible sh*t. I think what sets this apart is exactly what you said. How can someone do this to people who loved him and went above and beyond what most parents do (not because they dont want to but just cant afford) in supporting him financially after 18, not just by paying for school but just giving him her entire paycheck to live off. he is a truly evil and irredeemable pos.
for some reason the bags on the floor really had an affect on me. i feel like i can see her with them before being attacked by the young boy she gave everything to. absolutely gut wrenching
I nearly threw up when I saw the pot on the stove. It was covered, but just knowing what was in there sickened me to my core.
He wasn’t a young boy. He’s almost 30!
@@copperridgegrow3940 he may be 30, but he was her child. A bunch of parent I know call their children “my baby” even if said children are 50+
Fr tho it was super disturbing seeing that. I hope this loser experiences hell on earth then hell.
The last things she'd ever touch:(
What a psychopath. He looks like the only emotions he's able to experience are scorn, pride and anger.
Poor doggie's howls broke my heart but I'm glad he's okay now.
But the parents who gave everything to their child and got murdered didn't break your heart it seems. Disgusting dog nutter.
So comedically intriguing is how he made such carefully detailed plans which resulted in likely one of the most sloppy, incompetent easily solved murders of all time.
Fax
Yeah the investigation must have felt like that Skyrim quest, where you follow the trail of blood to find a journal solving almost everything.
@@amyvic5121that about summed up Skyrim's quest development 😂
I believe it didn't occur to him that someone would come to check on his parents because he was so used to always being alone
Damn that somehow makes it even more fcked up
Him: What are these 'friends' you speak of, and why do they bother you so with senseless visits and niceties??
That's one possibility, but I believe it didn't occur to him because he couldn't see anyone past himself and his own wants. The level of selfishness and narcissism he lived on is truly unmatched. It was hard for me to watch him sitting in the court room feigning interest and appearing bored half the time, like he was waiting his turn in traffic court. Infuriating. I wanted to reach through my screen and strangle him.
This is what I thought too lol. Nobody would check on him, and he would never check on anybody else, so it didn't occur to him that other people do that sort of thing
What an adorable little home. Detailed, sweet and very much cared for. Sad to see the groceries piled up by the door, she purchased herself a new lipstick. They were selling the home to make another move in their lives together, all ruined and laid to waste. Now the home will be forever stained as the place where two people were brutally murdered, and a head boiled on the stove. All the hard work by those who loved it and the people inside, flushed by a selfish unfeeling monster.
Oh fuck, the lipstick part is brutal
All I noticed was the beer
It’s little details like a new lipstick that will never be used that just shatter the heart.
The proper thing to do would be to bulldoze the house, build a new one on its footprint, and give the new build a different street number. As they did with the site of the Sharon Tate murders.
Man the sound of their poor dog's rasping howls was so heartbreaking.
I always wish this story ended with the dad killing his son :/ Joel is literally such a waste of life. I have never seen such a clear definition of one.
If you read my life you’d know I too am a waste of life. I am a narcissist.
It’s horrifying to see them walk passed the pot multiple times, unaware of its contents.
Well typically pots don't contain human remains lol
@@Supersonicspyro I’m aware. It’s just eerie being aware of what’s in there
Like the Taylor Schabusiness bodycam footage. They just kind of stared blankly into the bucket not really capable of processing what was it was they were seeing.
Oh they knew. But to acknowledge is to face reality. I watched one where q cop pulled over a dude driving the cars of a dude who had been reported missing. The camaro had bullet holes all through it. Aviut thirty minutes in he says welp I'm gonna do the obvious and pop the trunk. When he says that you can tell he's been thinking this from the start and had a hunch especially once he finds out the camaro owner was missing. Its heartbreaking to have to face the reality that some people are absolutely disgusting. To hear them cough is to know that they are gagging to the crime scene and they work in this line of work.
@@SebastianDingleswitchshaubuisness is a fake name
Thank you so much for putting in the commentary about the dog. A lot of content creators just brush over the fact of the animals that are affected in situations like this and it's so nice to hear someone actually thinking about the pets in these terrible situations
The fact that many people deliberately avoid killing animals in games like GTA shows just how important they are to so many
the dogs life is the priority lmfao
@@supraguy4694it shows that they know that murder is fundamentally wrong, and that they cannot claim otherwise without cognitive dissonance. (i say this, and still disagree with the high-end of large sentences for crime.)
I nearly started crying when I heard that poor baby crying like it was. Animals are much more in tune with emotions and situations than a lot give them credit for and I cannot even imagine how awful this was for him. There are so many times when I’ve watched videos where an animal is present or briefly mentioned and then they’re never brought up again and I’m sitting there worrying about the animal the entire time not knowing what happened to them so it was really nice to hear about the dog right away. They’re too often forgotten about or overlooked and I know that I and many others want to know how they’re doing as well.
Because it is literrally irrelevant in the face of two people being brutally murdered?
I've always been flummoxed by how anyone in the 21st century could possibly think they could get away with murder, but then I remember that clinical narcissism exists.
It's easy if you work for the government.
@@badxradxandy not really unless the you got your govt job via some high power nefarious entity.
I agree wholeheartedly to Caitlin’s comment.
uhm… not every murder is solved.
It's not that hard... you can ask my girlfriend... errr ex girlfriend....
I feel bad for the officers who thought they were doing a routine welfare check and wound up walking in to that scene. That's horrifying!
That dude is a straightup monster.
cops are abusive monsters who don't deserve any sympathy and paint themselves as victims in every situation but yeah
He seems to believe that his parents or anyone only exist when he is interacting with them. It never occurred to him anyone would miss his parents or come looking for them. He also didn’t seem to realize his siblings would be heirs too and he would have to share.
That I think he may have realized He was the only birth child in the equation of the mother. This why he listed her assets first?
sociopath
It only shows that he never considered anyone but himself.
Yep, that's narcissism 101.
@@ladyfarona1988 yep, that's what the original comment basically said. Ya goof
I really appreciate the fact that you humanize the victims involved, many videos have this eerie inhuman aura to them, an almost disregard to the fact that a horrifying murder happened. Thank you for covering this.
Agreed, it was nice to hear how great of people they were🥺 I feel so bad for the dog. Lost his parents :/ and the girls too.. anyone involved that loved them must miss them so much :(
So they weren't human before?
@@mr.herbert532 They always were, but the media often treats victims of murder as nothing more than sensationalist media, dehumanizing them. Look at the true crime community for example, they rarely talk about the victims before the murder.
@@mr.herbert532 How you came to that conclusion of all things is beyond me.
@@inwit594 You said it yourself, I am beyond you.
He literally has his nose so far up in the air that his face shield is on actually on an incline! I’m surprised that they let him wear that in court because most of the time, his nose and mouth aren’t shielded. He also studies those gory photos of his parents displaying no negative emotions; and at one point looks very proud of himself, disgusting…
I really dont understand why people ask for the death penalty when they could..... give... the death penalty to themselves..................
@Angele Because he doesn't actually want to die. It was a lie to garner attention/symapthy/doubt from the jury.
There's a huge difference between keeping your chin up and putting your nose up... You're right, this is the latter.
@@angele5321 well 1. Some believe suicide to be an immortal sin (which isn't a thing but that's beside the point) 2. That would require him to have the actual desire to die 3. It'd also require the guts to do it and 4. It's likely that few who ask for it truly want it. It's a trial tactic
I remember from some other video the judge ordered him to wear the face shield instead of a normal mask (it was during covid IIRC) so jury would be able to see his face and reactions.
it is so unfortunate that the couple was murdered before either of them could retire over a person who felt entitled to the money of the only people that ever loved him
The poor dog howling in the background, knowing he was on there the whole time honestly kills me. Knowing that man killed his parents is absolutely horrible as well, but jesus....this is a terrible case
That broke my heart I hate the sound of animals suffering
😢😢😢😢😢
Small relief, at least he didn't kill the pupper too. A monster like this certainly could have and wouldn't think twice.
You: "omg the poor dog went through so much... oh yeah the murder and dismemberment of the parents is also bad too"
@@RoyDontHugMeImScared they're just saying that the dog howling in the background adds an extra disturbing layer jfc
So if the “dad killed the mom and then himself”, then who dismembered the dad? 😂 what a well thought out plan
This!!!! Man, what a genius!!!!
I believe the plan was, dad killed mom and disappeared, with hopes that cops would be dumb enough to think “dad gone, must be him”
He was planning to grind at least him (and maybe mom?) up in the meat grinder then flush him down the toilet, originally. He wasn’t originally planning for at least dad to be found. He was trying to frame him for his moms murder.
Right I was listening to his plan and I was thinking my guy none of this sounds like a murder suicide you freaking idiot.
@@maddii34u this what?
How did this guy end up having all the worst traits a human can have, when he had such a nice and supportive family? I don't get how someone can end up like that
This guy was defect to the core, as a result of a very severe personality disorder. Possibly multiple. Severe schizoid personality disorder would be my guess.
That's EXACTLY how. He was too indulged by his parents. His parents were too supportive, too forgiving. That being said it's not their fault and it isn't fair. All the worst people have the best and most kind families. Frankly his behavior screams in c e l. I really wonder if he was involved in their community. He seems like the type of person to feel entitled to a girlfriend too . It also sounds like he had a serious gaming addiction
Don't get me wrong I LOVE the internet. But it might be the internet. We see more and more of these cases where kids waste their lives on the internet so can't do study and flunk out and I've battled with it as a parent too. One thing I haven't battled with as a parent is that my kids aren't into dark parts of the internet thank GOD. I mean I'm pretty confident they aren't I at least know the kind of stuff they do instead of homework.
It happens that why you can't always blame the parents.
Some people are just born as evil psycho/sociopaths. See the other vid Dreading did about Nancy Spungeon and the Port arthur maniac.. they were just born this way.
thank you for finding out how the dog is doing. poor pup, i hope their life is so sweet now
That dog's howling broke my heart! I am so glad he's ok and recovered well. I had so many tears come out when you said he was ok.
Me too it is a miracle he didnt succumb to the bleach/heat what a good doggo he didnt deserve that
And yet you didn’t shed one real tear for the parents 🙄
@@lynncantrell2782 You've met your quota for virtue signaling. You can collect your ribbon from your assigned distribution center. We thank you for your efforts in furthering self-righteous indignation.
@lynncantrell2782 animals are pure souls. Humans on the other hand..... 🤷♂️
@@ienspire exactly lol
How was it supposed to look like a murder/suicide if he desolves his dad's body, too? Dude was not as smart as he thought he was. He's very evil, though.
I assumed his plan had intitally been to murder them both, remove as much evidence as possible and then burn the house down, he was a dumb man, evil as hel.
It literally makes no sense, man.
I think the plan was to Make it look like his dad killed his Mom, got rid of his mom's body, and then fled.
So he had to remove his dad's body completely, and leave some parts of his mom's body around... Or something... I don't know man.
It's disturbing how similar this case is to the Chandler Halderson murders. The same aggrieved entitlement, the same loving parents, almost the same m.o. Shocking.
As well as the Grant Amato case.
This one is the most disturbing to me our of the 3 though.
@@WobblesandBean The Grant Amato case is bone chilling, you never hear much about it compared to others.
The same stupidity.
It really is so shocking. I was a single mom to my son and doted on and probably indulged him too much at times. Love him beyond words, and to think a child could do this to such seemingly loving, caring parents who did all they could believing it would help ensure their sons success is beyond baffling. Makes me so incredibly sad for many reasons, but it also makes me look at my own relationship with my son. Not that I think he would do anything like this, but I relate in the way they tried to set him up to be successful. How? God, you never know wtf is going on in anyone's heart and mind. 😞
All of the casual insults to him along side the respectful nature when talking about everyone else is just perfect.
For someone who comes from a broken abusive home, I would love to have had loving supporting parents like Michael and Lisa. This infuriates me to no end.😢
absolutely agree. it INFURIATES me seeing people not appreciate the beautiful parents they have. this case is so sad
I know people Who had very bad parents and they'd never dare to do what this Monster we're all mocking did.
His parents were too supportive, keeping him into a bubble and paying for everything and allowing him to be on his own. What kind of parents send a growing up son her all paycheck
@@drollette08 Enabling fosters codependent relationships. That's where his inability to be independent comes from. It is dangerous behavior.
LITERALLY I WOULD LOVE IF MY FAMILY CARED ABOUT ME THAT MUCH TO PAY FOR MY COLLEGE LET ALONE MY LIFESTYLE . He deserves to rot
Definately a face only a mother could love. And he cared nothing for her. How horrible a spoiled brat can be does not make sense to me.
he murdered his parents so he wouldn't have to get a job, wrote his plan out and left it on his person for the duration of the entire crime and investigation, and thought that fingerprints would melt at 90 degrees Fahrenheit. there's so much to make fun of there that i just find calling him ugly silly and unnecessary. don't judge people on their appearances, even if they're murderers.
I don’t think he was a spoiled brat he was just fucking insane
I can't image how chilling it was. The empty doghouse, the cars, the groceries. Then going in the house... the dog howling in the distance from upstairs. I can't even imagine what was going through their heads.
If the bleach in the air wasn't melting their skin the tension would've come in at a close second
I imagine what was going through their heads was how do I do my job safély?
@@DrLesleyStevenslol, have you met any member of the police force before?
What a creep! He just looks disturbed. Occasionally, it looks like his eyeballs are about to pop out of his creepy little head. His parents deserved so much better than that. I wonder if they had any idea their son was a psychopath? 😔
There's cops like this that go straight into the unknown, into what could have been an ambush, and then there's the Uvalde cops.
👏👏👏 right
Underrated.
The professionalism and competence of these officers is noteworthy.
gosh, even thinking about them makes my blood boil, so much wasted opportunity
Indeed. I was about to comment on how the Cops started the investigation of the house and continued to *follow through* without needing to *ask permission from a superior*
your passive aggressive insults toward the killer slid in with all the facts about the case just adds so much and im loving it
Thank you so much for letting us know early on that the dog is OK. I feel so bad for him and I’m so glad I didn’t have to worry about him for the rest of the video.
Same
Me too …l actually has to mute the poor dog howling, it upset me so much. The heat, the loss of his parents, no food, water, locked in basically a closet. This guy needs the d£ath penalty for that crime alone. Those poor parents, how deceived were they 😢
Get a grip lady. Human lives were butchered and youre worried about the damn dog. You sound like a psycho.
This is your first time hearing of this ‘thing’ and his crimes? This is one that I think about when I’m at a red light or just not thinking about anything in particular…. It’s bad …. What a great family he had…
If you haven’t seen it, please watch his half sister’s testimony in court…. ♥️💋
Thank you for the break in the body cam footage to assure us the dog is still alive and currently thriving. I think we all needed that.
No, we all needed loving and selfless parents to not get murdered and dismembered. Go away, dog nutter.
for some reason, hearing that dog’s howls of agony just gives me chills. the horrific things that innocent animal had to witness. it’s such a comparatively small detail but it just adds a whole other layer of cruelty.
Fortunately the dog was adopted by one of the stepdaughters & has kids to play with now, so he went to a home where he knows the people already and gets lots of playtime & walks.
@@XxRosexX96 and?
i am glad he didnt butcher them though.
Yeah that was horrible to. Not only witnessing the brutality of their owners murder but being kept locked up in a house starving, no water and the heating system turned on high hot all that time. Poor thing 😢
@@XxRosexX96 So? It's a religious denomination for many people, it's not all about blood sacrifice like the Satanic-Panic of the 1980s tried to make us believe. Satantic worshippers are actually forbidden from killing or hurting, children and animals included, and most Satanic churches actually pay taxes...
Watching the body cam footage of the officers entering the house filled me with such dread, knowing what they were about to walk into. I can't even imagine how ominous and horrible it must have been to walk into that house, with the heat and the chemicals, and come across something so terrible. That poor family, poor dog, they deserved so much better.
It's worse than any horror movie or even horror game on an electronic device. Truly bone shaking.
Not to mention the smell of his Mother's decapitated head still cooking in the stockpot.😰😰😰
I feel horrible for whoever discovered the head in the pot.
You could see the mood shift when they found the hands. They knew some sick shit went down.
@@bluefaery1865you saying that made me “smell” it. The smell of fear perhaps 🤷♂️
I really like this channel. You’re a strong writer, researcher, and narrator. Thanks for all the hard work.
I really like this description. Strong. Totally agree.
I agree wholeheartedly
He is, but he needs to go over how to pronounce some of the words that he uses. I say this as a professional orator.
Where's the reaearch?
@@jamie1165 research of which aspect?
Joel Guy Jr is a text book example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Can only imagine the shock these two people must have felt when their own flesh and blood murdered them. Such a heinous and tragic case.
Thank you for inputting the update on the dog. Knowing that people can be so evil, it’s the silver linings.
I feel the same. A small but meaningful silver lining.
The dog bro? Oof
And? What of it?
@@driley5004 i think it's just the fact he was going to kill the dog even though that would've literally done nothing for him, just to then leave that poor puppy to starve after living through the trauma of losing his humans
@@juliesnoot2818 Right? I'll take a dog any day over that pile of inhuman turds. If you are that awful, your human card doesn't trump a dog in terms of who I'd like and sacrifice for more.
Joel legit has terrifying crazy eyes. Like the kind that looks at you like you're just a meat puppet and he's mentally calculating the best way to take you apart 😱
Yeah he’s got that Lanza drip lol
Manson Lamps is what Mike of That Chapter would call them.
Meat puppet! Good wording!
Just empty.
Lucky for us he couldn't calculate his way out of a wet paper bag
Jennifer is such a fantastic friend. She did not back down. She had to know if Lisa was ok. Good friend. True friend. I hope I have friends likes that, and I hope to be that friend as well.
Taking a moment to appreciate you taking the time to let us know how that poor dog is doing 😢❤
Crazy how you can tell by someone’s face that they’ve never been through anything in their life. It’s hard to describe, but he doesn’t look young, you just looks like someone who’s never had to go through any kind of adversity. It’s like a certain softness you can see in their face. Maybe someone else can elaborate, but we have all seen someone like this in our own lives
I agree. I feel to some extent us people who have experienced hardship almost have this pride/superiority towards others. Some people you can just look at them and know they haven’t gone through any immense struggles. They almost have this surface level personality, and they lack world experience and wisdom. I think this is best illustrated by a sense of humility and humbleness, I think we all reach a point were we don’t need to prove/ get attention all the time. When you see people that haven’t gotten that humbleness yet you can just sense it
Yeah i know what you mean you did a good way of describing that
@@Kyle-qo5ds thanks brotha man!!
No your absolutely right.. I said the same thing..he looks extremely soft and has never had to go threw anyrhjng hard in his life
I just don’t understand how you end up killing your parents that gave you an abundance of support and love. It’s so beyond illogical. Born psychopath im calling it. Them chemicals were off from the jump
I know this is about the brutal murder of two innocent people, but God, that dog howling really got to me. Thanks dreading for letting us know that he’s alive and doing as well as could be expected ❤️
Same here, very upsetting. So glad the fur baby is ok.
Me too. That poor dog locked in baking heat with no food or water. He was howling for help where usually he would bark at the sound of intruders.
Yeah, I don't know why the police didn't at the very least let the dog out knowing how hot it was inside. That kind of annoyed me a bit
Seriously. That made my heart sick to hear. Poor pup. So glad to know he is ok for all he went through.
I came here to say the same thing! That was literally my breaking point which I know sounds terrible but he just sounds so stressed and helpless…
Somehow you take cases that have been played out, ( like seriously played out) and make them seem new. That's not easy. Thanks for your hard work!
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That is so true I've seen this story before in detail and dreading make it seem like the first time I'm seeing this story
Absolutely. But still would love to see some lesser known cases covered
@@jMci726 yeah, that’s what I’m waiting for.
100% agree
I'm glad the dog is okay, at least. It hurt knowing that they didn't let him out for hours, but I realized something, if they let the dog out immediately, the dog would rush to check on its owners because it knows something happened to them, and that would risk contaminating the crime scene...
I mean...I'm pretty sure there were multiple police officers leaving footprints, outside debris, fingerprints, sweat, hair, etc. all over that crime scene. You know, HUMAN contamination. But removing the DOG would have been "contamination"? Are you serious?
@@mnschoen I’ll never understand people getting overly hostile over non-controversial comments
@mnschoen yes, we are serious. You should think before you type.
Would it have been possible to remove the dog immediately without contaminating the crime scene? Maybe, however, the risk needs to be mitigated - the dog is removed after the scene is documented.
I just... can't believe he wrote down the steps to the murder so meticulously and named it 'The Journal of Premeditation' or something... it's like out of a cartoon. Something Dr. Doofinschmirtz or Megamind would've pulled were they *actually* evil...
He is truly the most brilliant psychopath in the Tri-State area.
Like an evil Mr. Bean, morelike.
im surprised he didn't call it My Evil Plan
"Dexter has nothing on this, baby!".
He really has the creepiest face I’ve ever seen. No matter how angry we can feel about our upbringing, most rational people realise that you don’t murder your parents to get revenge. He clearly has serious mental problems and I bet if the police hadn’t found the crime scene before he came back the dog would of been next. It’s very sad for the family left to mourn. That’s one child I Bet every one wishes had never been conceived.
@annesuffolk630: & some of prominent celebrities post pins on Pinterest of just getting off your ass & get a job.... He probably would of been a butcher. People meat in the supermarket shelves!!!! 😆😆😆😂
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@@rambunctiousvegetable if you don't have something useful to contribute, don't try to contribute.
@@rambunctiousvegetable nobody gives a fuck.
@@rambunctiousvegetable u act like he turning in a paper this shit not graded bro 😭 it’s YT comments
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That dog's howling was so disturbing, because to me it was an ECHO of the torture, agony and confusion those two wonderful people felt while being horribly killed by someone they loved so much.
No. Dogs just howl. You should hear the ghastly little monster next door when his human parents leave him alone for half an hour.
@@GradKat yes so imagine a dog being left for a day in the heat after witnessing his family being murdered
YES YES YES YES YES! I agree. It was hard to listen to. You could tell the dog knew something horrible happened and was feeling it all.
@@fufufluffmuffin Absolutely! Some people here said no, a dog just howls (without any emotion). But a dog is deeply sensitive to its owners, so in addition to being thirsty, he was feeling grief for his owners' death. He must have heard their terrible screams.
@@GradKat well yes, but it is VERY obvious that it was not a normal howl. if you know anything at all about dogs (or animals in general, really), you can tell that it's the sound a dog makes when in pain. you've gotta be extraordinarily dense not to pick up on that.
Absolute hats off to the forensics teams that went through the house and documented the poor parents in those bins in the bathroom.
I used to want to be a forensics officer but after watching crime shows and documentaries, I don’t have the mental fortitude for such an unfortunately necessary job.
This is a horrific case and well done to Dreading for presenting it in such a well-thought and respectful manner.
May their memories always be a blessing to the rest of the Guy family.
Hope ole bug eyed boy rots wherever he goes, for eternity.