Only 10 minutes in and the number of gameplay changes already has me sold. So much of the mechanical stuff I hated about the first game has been completely revamped or eliminated - love it!
@@Filthyy1 Awakened Realms will have an update pack as others have mentioned, but they say that they won't change some aspects of the grinding as it's built in as part of the game. You can always houserule things to your liking once we have a better idea of what the 2.0 update changes.
I am playing through the first game right now and I am happy to see some of my house rules were applied to the official rules. My main gripe with the game was always having to spend 1 energy to explore, even if the action wouldn't really use energy from the characters (for example, choosing between going further into a forest or talking to locals costs the same). In this game they changed it so each action has its own cost. The way I play is I will only spend energy if I think the action would really make my characters spend energy. I am happy to see they are also making these changes to the first game. For me it is a great game but it requires a mixture of Story mode + house rules to be a good experience
I didn’t play the first one and based on reviews wasn’t that interested in it. But it sounds like this one is more different than I expected, I’ve got to put it on my watchlist now. I really like the way you do previews, with explanations of the rules and your decisions. Best on TH-cam imo. Thanks again!
I hope it will come out with a narrated app and music again. It was the best one I've ever tried and increased immersion by so much. Loved that melancholic female voice from it.
Thanks for covering this. Our group regularly plays the original three campaigns at three and four players, and have a blast with it. We really get into the storytelling aspects, though, which helps with downtime. Looks like I’ll be backing more Tainted Grail!
0:48:00 You can't play "Powerful Bolt" here as your second card in this turn, because it doesn't connect an additional card bonus key (lightning bolt).
I said that I took damage and drew a card (ending the round), but didn't show it fully on screen. Powerful Bolt was my first play of the NEXT round. Sorry that was more confusing than it should have been!
Awesome combos in your first diplomacy encounter. Thanks for the video, loved the original even with the food grinding and will get this one also for sure
Thanks for this Mike. I have heard a lot about Tainted Grail through others commenting, but never looked up the actual fight/diplomacy interaction. It's pretty unique compared to the other adventure or dungeon crawlers I have. And with the changes Awakened Realms made, it looks less tedious and grindy.
One last question here. Between this and ISS Vanguard, which takes up more table space. This one looks like it starts rather small with a couple of tiles, but might start to sprawl. Does it just grow to about the same size as ISS Vanguard? Does one take up a significant amount more space, or is it pretty much the same?
On average I would say Tainted Grail takes up less space, because often before a given location sprawls too much you "travel" to another area and clear out all the cards. I don't remember ever having huge trouble fitting everything on the table.
I just got a copy of Tainted Grail and have been playing through the first campaign with my wife. We have already run into the grind in Act 2 of keeping menhirs running while still having resources to actually play the game. This version certainly looks like Fall of Avalon 2.0, which is probably good. I may even go ahead and adopt some of these rules as others have said for house rules to make the game flow better and stop it from being such a slog to the point that it interferes with the story. I was interested to hear you talk about some railroading even in the original, and that may come later. So far I've actually had the opposite problem where the objectives have been left so vague that they are difficult to complete.
Yeah, it's interesting to compare the two. Especially in acts 2 and 3 the original Tainted Grail opens up a ton, perhaps too much as you noted. Here, it feels much more controlled, at least for the two acts I've played. Like for Act 2 you set up a new area, and it only has about 10 location cards, so you aren't wandering aimlessly hoping the story starts :) Though that could make some feel less of a sense of exploration and discovery...
@@OneStopCoopShop Yeah, though I feel like Destinies does a really good job of allowing players agency while still keeping a relatively compact story. In that game I never feel like I'm wandering around hoping for something to happen. I'm hoping that some of the streamlining you are talking about gives me more of that feel, and that's kind of what it looks like from what you've shown this far.
The OG Tainted Grail is my favorite game ever. Kings of Ruin was an insta-back for Past Me. Current Me just finished another campaign of the original though and is now re-watching stuff about Kings of Ruin to get excited as it comes closer to delivery. And, honestly... now I'm a little worried. I love the original. I don't think it is too hard. It's definitely difficult, but I have never felt a need to house rule stuff. Kings of Ruins seems so easy in comparison. Now you don't need to eat! Now you can explore everywhere for free! Now you don't need to light Menhirs and can just trek through the wyrdness! (Or if you want to, activate waystone, for way less cost than menhir.) It seems a little ridiculous to me. Like for sure I don't want my games to be Robinson Crusoe Cannibal Island level difficulty. But Avalon is supposed to be a bit of a dangerous place, so the game should not just be cakewalk adventure where I can skip across the whole wyrdness-infested island and never have to eat food again. But, Past Me must not have been too worried about it all this. Maybe Current Me is just over-reacting now?
You’re definitely overreacting I think. I had a review of the game a month or two ago (I got to play a nearly finished prototype of chapters 1-5), and the game is still hard as hell
@@OneStopCoopShop Hooray! I have never been so happy to have someone tell me a game is hard as hell! And I definitely remember Past Me watching this early playthrough and loving it and deciding this was an insta-back. Current Me must just be in the mood to overly worry today! >.
Looking at this or 7th Citadel. Which do you prefer? Which has the darker, more.....grim story? And how do they compare when it comes to difficulty of rules understanding/overhead and is one more.... fiddly then the other?
Thanks for sharing. Looks like a game I would enjoy. Will check out the campaign. Question - How important is it to get the add on box of miniatures? I mean, are they used a lot or rarely? Is each creature only used once through the story? Asking, because I don't know if the creature minis would be something that would add a lot to the play experience. I could be totally wrong, but it seems to me that the story and decisions are the main aspects and the minis are secondary.
From what I've played, the minis would show up very rarely, and like you said only for one section of the game and then done. I certainly wouldn't consider them a must-have, but I also don't love giant minis taking up my shelf space in general ;)
Thanks, Mike! I share your excitement. I'm curious about whether the Fall of Avalon could be played with the Kings of Ruin rule tweaks. Do you think that would work?
Others have asked that too, and my answer is... kind of? The new food rule would be easy to use, and would make the game a bit easier. Exploration costing 0 would be harder, because they don't account for that in the current story book... though the $8 upgrade pack says it has a new story book PDF, so maybe it will have reduced costs? Waystones and flipped locations you can still move through could kind of be cobbled together to replace menhirs, but it's a much bigger overhaul.
So I'll throw this out: I'm not a big fan of the summarization style. Part of the fun of these videos for me is getting an idea of what the plot feels like as you move through it and seeing what the prose is like. I understand the concern about episode length, but I was significantly less engaged with the second half of the video that I was the first, since I didn't have nearly as much narrative context. I love your videos and can't wait to see what you all are working on next, just wanted to give me two cents since this fell a little flat for me.
Others have asked the same, and sadly I don't know. They have announced their is an "upgrade pack" for the original, but there aren't many details on what it will look like yet.
So what I understand from the Gamefound page there are some changes that streamline the original experience (details of which are yet to be released but the idea is that it's less grindy). For original 1.0 backers they are working on an 'upgrade' pack (again, details to be revealed).
Destinies is fun for competitive, but I personally do not recommend it for solo. Tainted grail is great for solo and coop, but clearly much larger, longer, and more expensive 😅
I wasn't sucked into watching the original Tainted Grail play, but this one was way better. The Wyrdness reminds me of Silent Hill, very cool. The card combat, though, with all those tiny symbols, is very hard for me to wrap my head around. I guess you get used to it, but I don't find it intuitive yet. Hopefully there is replayability built in past the start, like you said. Well...guess this is something I need to look into more!
Unfortunately I don't know anything more than what they've released publicly. I'm curious myself! I don't imagine they will be able to back-map ALL of these changes to the original, but even some would be cool!
Is there a way to use some of these new rules on the original game? I want to go back and play again and make different choices, but the grind was a killer, does the designer suggest we might use these new rules in the original story?
I haven’t seen anything official yet. There is an announced update pack, but not many details yet. But I would hope at least some things are ported back
Thank you for the overview. Do you think the updated mechanics could be easily applied to the original game? Or would it likely be too easy/unbalanced?
I think the food fix would be simple enough to port, though yes it would make things easier. The waystone mechanic could be… sort of adapted? You could ignore the listed costs for lighting menhirs and make them cheaper. You could take away them counting down. And I guess you could mark locations with tokens if they got covered by wyrd instead of just taking the cards away. But that’d be a tougher mechanic to port over for sure
I don't know if everything in Kings of Ruin is being applied, but they are selling an update kit to the 2.0 version with this campaign for $8 as well if you're interested in that.
From what I’ve seen here and in the original TG, there will probably be branching plot lines and different endings, but no, locations won’t change which events they contain or where things are on the map
Great video! Not that it matters but - diplomacy encounter, where you able to play War Stories to end it? Has no connection, your charge on Keen Sight was already used. Am I understanding rules correctly, and you made a small mistake letting yourself be carried on by the moment?
Sounds like great tweaks. I really enjoyed the original game for the most part but hated the grind and definitely house ruled to get to the good parts. Good on them to be willing to change things.
Agreed. This is one of most player-focused sets of revisions to a game system I've seen. Or at least focused on players like us. I know there are some people in our Discord for example who never found any of the original grind-heavy :)
Thanks for the video🙏 Can anyone point out what makes this game stand out and why it's a great experience. I can imagine the freedom to roam around has a lot to offer but the combat and influencing(can't remember the correct term) seem pretty darn boring. If there isn't any epic fighting going on it surely must have something else that pulls you in. Is the character progression great, is it rewarding and can you obtain great new items or abilities, please help me out here.
Sounds like the game isn’t for you then, to be honest. The character leveling is nothing phenomenal. It’s mostly unlocking more attributes, and adding more combat and diplomacy cards. So if those systems seemed inherently boring to you, then I doubt you’ll find the character growth exciting either 😅
Thanks so much for answering. I guess the game isn't for me indeed. I have recently ordered a copy of Mage Knight Ultimate edition and I feel like that'll tick the boxes I'm looking for in a game. Would you consider Oathsworn a good alternative? I love campaign games and awesome storytelling but centered around character progression and tactical(brain crunching) combat and decision making.
I owned the first one, but i trade it away. Its a petty, because is an interesting game and well manufactured also with a lot of new and interesting mechanics, but a lot of times the narrative was so bad, that u couldn't finish a chapter because of it. I mean one time i found a major thing, and that was it. It didnt gave you a food,weapon or some sort of compensation, u just had to continue with the story......but with what? No food , nothing and u just where right back,dead to the 1 chapter. After i have done like 5 times it was enough.
The new one eliminates most of the grind, so you shouldn’t feel like you are ever back to square one. That being said, if you didn’t enjoy the narrative before, I don’t feel like the story they are telling here so far is drastically different in tone or scope
you don't have to start the game over. If you fail a chapter you can just restart it, following the All mother's mercy rules. Chapters give you rewards, but also there is plenty of places to gather resources, it is not an issue at all. If you died 5 times then you needed to play in story mode
Agree. I found the combat and diplomacy approach to conflict resolution transformed the game from a coop to a multiplayer solitaire game with excessive downtime. The economics of the core mechanic was also broken if played smart due to how efficient leveling outpaces difficulty of the game.
@@bennoblaschke1169 that's one reason I preferred the original (and I expect this one) solo or 2-player co-op. If a fight goes really long the next player can at least start reading their next narrative passage :)
The 'tainted grail' concept is great. It lets designers appropriate a popular mythos without having to respect the lore. Amazon should have called their series tainted tolkien.
I’m not clear on your argument here, sorry! You’re saying you don’t want the TG team to do their own riff on Arthurian lore and tell new stories from that starting foundation? And I don’t see the Tolkien connection at all, unless you were separately complaining about Rings of Power?
@@OneStopCoopShop If you played the video game King Arthur Knight's Tale perhaps my rant would make more sense. It does the same thing. Cashes in on the Arthurian legend without having to respect it. It's a popular strategy in all kinds of media, hence the reference to Rings of Power. I'm not on a crusade or anything, just making an observation.
@@garicb9271 I think there's irony in the Rings of Power comparison since Tolkien used various mythology (Nordic and Celtic primarily), religion and fairy tales as the basis for the Lord of the Rings.
Gamefound campaign - gamefound.com/projects/awaken-realms/tainted-grail-kings-of-ruin
0:00 - Introduction
1:06 - Game Overview
3:51 - Set-Up
5:20 - Day 1
14:12 - Diplomacy Encounter
22:51 - Remainder of Day 1
31:03 - Day 2
35:06 - Day 3
39:41 - Day 4
44:18 - Combat Encounter
49:02 - Day 5
50:05 - Impressions
Only 10 minutes in and the number of gameplay changes already has me sold. So much of the mechanical stuff I hated about the first game has been completely revamped or eliminated - love it!
My sentiments exactly :)
Sat here wondering if I could use these rules instead for my next playthrough
@@Filthyy1 they will release an update pack for the original one, I guess it will bring the original one on a Level more simillar to the new one.
@@Filthyy1 Awakened Realms will have an update pack as others have mentioned, but they say that they won't change some aspects of the grinding as it's built in as part of the game. You can always houserule things to your liking once we have a better idea of what the 2.0 update changes.
I am playing through the first game right now and I am happy to see some of my house rules were applied to the official rules. My main gripe with the game was always having to spend 1 energy to explore, even if the action wouldn't really use energy from the characters (for example, choosing between going further into a forest or talking to locals costs the same). In this game they changed it so each action has its own cost. The way I play is I will only spend energy if I think the action would really make my characters spend energy.
I am happy to see they are also making these changes to the first game. For me it is a great game but it requires a mixture of Story mode + house rules to be a good experience
This mirrors my thoughts exactly. This new one seems like it takes all the best houserules and makes them official :)
I didn’t play the first one and based on reviews wasn’t that interested in it. But it sounds like this one is more different than I expected, I’ve got to put it on my watchlist now.
I really like the way you do previews, with explanations of the rules and your decisions. Best on TH-cam imo. Thanks again!
Thanks Scott! I DID play the original, and got burned out by it, but darn it I am LOVING the changes in this one. My wallet weeps!
I hope it will come out with a narrated app and music again. It was the best one I've ever tried and increased immersion by so much. Loved that melancholic female voice from it.
That would be great
Thanks for covering this. Our group regularly plays the original three campaigns at three and four players, and have a blast with it. We really get into the storytelling aspects, though, which helps with downtime. Looks like I’ll be backing more Tainted Grail!
Oh yeah, if that's been your experience, this should be an absolute slam dunk for you all!
Excited for the candlemaker! Loved the first one, my favorite campaign game its crazy thematic.
Awesome! I’m sure you will love this new one then
0:48:00 You can't play "Powerful Bolt" here as your second card in this turn, because it doesn't connect an additional card bonus key (lightning bolt).
I said that I took damage and drew a card (ending the round), but didn't show it fully on screen. Powerful Bolt was my first play of the NEXT round. Sorry that was more confusing than it should have been!
Your play throughs are great. Love the enthusiasm and close up shots are fantastic.
I'm sold!
Thanks 😊
Thanks Karl!
Awesome combos in your first diplomacy encounter.
Thanks for the video, loved the original even with the food grinding and will get this one also for sure
Got pretty lucky there! Talking is not my character's strong suit 😅
Thanks for this Mike. I have heard a lot about Tainted Grail through others commenting, but never looked up the actual fight/diplomacy interaction. It's pretty unique compared to the other adventure or dungeon crawlers I have.
And with the changes Awakened Realms made, it looks less tedious and grindy.
I always loved the fighting/diplomacy system… until I had to do it 6 turns in a row. So far this seems to fix that ❤️
One last question here. Between this and ISS Vanguard, which takes up more table space. This one looks like it starts rather small with a couple of tiles, but might start to sprawl. Does it just grow to about the same size as ISS Vanguard? Does one take up a significant amount more space, or is it pretty much the same?
On average I would say Tainted Grail takes up less space, because often before a given location sprawls too much you "travel" to another area and clear out all the cards. I don't remember ever having huge trouble fitting everything on the table.
I just got a copy of Tainted Grail and have been playing through the first campaign with my wife. We have already run into the grind in Act 2 of keeping menhirs running while still having resources to actually play the game. This version certainly looks like Fall of Avalon 2.0, which is probably good. I may even go ahead and adopt some of these rules as others have said for house rules to make the game flow better and stop it from being such a slog to the point that it interferes with the story. I was interested to hear you talk about some railroading even in the original, and that may come later. So far I've actually had the opposite problem where the objectives have been left so vague that they are difficult to complete.
Yeah, it's interesting to compare the two. Especially in acts 2 and 3 the original Tainted Grail opens up a ton, perhaps too much as you noted.
Here, it feels much more controlled, at least for the two acts I've played. Like for Act 2 you set up a new area, and it only has about 10 location cards, so you aren't wandering aimlessly hoping the story starts :)
Though that could make some feel less of a sense of exploration and discovery...
@@OneStopCoopShop Yeah, though I feel like Destinies does a really good job of allowing players agency while still keeping a relatively compact story. In that game I never feel like I'm wandering around hoping for something to happen. I'm hoping that some of the streamlining you are talking about gives me more of that feel, and that's kind of what it looks like from what you've shown this far.
The OG Tainted Grail is my favorite game ever. Kings of Ruin was an insta-back for Past Me. Current Me just finished another campaign of the original though and is now re-watching stuff about Kings of Ruin to get excited as it comes closer to delivery. And, honestly... now I'm a little worried. I love the original. I don't think it is too hard. It's definitely difficult, but I have never felt a need to house rule stuff. Kings of Ruins seems so easy in comparison. Now you don't need to eat! Now you can explore everywhere for free! Now you don't need to light Menhirs and can just trek through the wyrdness! (Or if you want to, activate waystone, for way less cost than menhir.) It seems a little ridiculous to me. Like for sure I don't want my games to be Robinson Crusoe Cannibal Island level difficulty. But Avalon is supposed to be a bit of a dangerous place, so the game should not just be cakewalk adventure where I can skip across the whole wyrdness-infested island and never have to eat food again. But, Past Me must not have been too worried about it all this. Maybe Current Me is just over-reacting now?
You’re definitely overreacting I think. I had a review of the game a month or two ago (I got to play a nearly finished prototype of chapters 1-5), and the game is still hard as hell
@@OneStopCoopShop Hooray! I have never been so happy to have someone tell me a game is hard as hell! And I definitely remember Past Me watching this early playthrough and loving it and deciding this was an insta-back. Current Me must just be in the mood to overly worry today! >.
Looking at this or 7th Citadel. Which do you prefer? Which has the darker, more.....grim story? And how do they compare when it comes to difficulty of rules understanding/overhead and is one more.... fiddly then the other?
7th Citadel has the slightly more straightforward ruleset, but kings of ruin has the darker storyline. Both are great
@@OneStopCoopShopthank you! I am feeling some grimdark storytelling would go down well right now. Decision made!
Thanks for sharing. Looks like a game I would enjoy. Will check out the campaign.
Question - How important is it to get the add on box of miniatures? I mean, are they used a lot or rarely? Is each creature only used once through the story? Asking, because I don't know if the creature minis would be something that would add a lot to the play experience. I could be totally wrong, but it seems to me that the story and decisions are the main aspects and the minis are secondary.
From what I've played, the minis would show up very rarely, and like you said only for one section of the game and then done. I certainly wouldn't consider them a must-have, but I also don't love giant minis taking up my shelf space in general ;)
Thanks, Mike! I share your excitement. I'm curious about whether the Fall of Avalon could be played with the Kings of Ruin rule tweaks. Do you think that would work?
Others have asked that too, and my answer is... kind of?
The new food rule would be easy to use, and would make the game a bit easier.
Exploration costing 0 would be harder, because they don't account for that in the current story book... though the $8 upgrade pack says it has a new story book PDF, so maybe it will have reduced costs?
Waystones and flipped locations you can still move through could kind of be cobbled together to replace menhirs, but it's a much bigger overhaul.
@@OneStopCoopShop Thanks! Much appreciated. And great video as always.
I've been struggling on whether or not to get in a late pledge for this game. I think I will now, looks fun to me.
I’m super excited to play this again
Fantastic presentation, One Stop 👍 254
Looks really awesome🔥
Have a wonderful Friday, Friend 🥰
Keep up the marvelous work!
Thanks for this - excited for the campaign!
Me too!
So I'll throw this out: I'm not a big fan of the summarization style. Part of the fun of these videos for me is getting an idea of what the plot feels like as you move through it and seeing what the prose is like.
I understand the concern about episode length, but I was significantly less engaged with the second half of the video that I was the first, since I didn't have nearly as much narrative context.
I love your videos and can't wait to see what you all are working on next, just wanted to give me two cents since this fell a little flat for me.
That’s fair. Thanks for watching, and for the feedback!
So are they revamping the gameplay of the first one since they are re-printing it and said there have been rules changes and such ?
Others have asked the same, and sadly I don't know. They have announced their is an "upgrade pack" for the original, but there aren't many details on what it will look like yet.
So what I understand from the Gamefound page there are some changes that streamline the original experience (details of which are yet to be released but the idea is that it's less grindy). For original 1.0 backers they are working on an 'upgrade' pack (again, details to be revealed).
In terms of open world narrative tabletop games Im wondering if I should get Tainted Grail or Destines?
Destinies is fun for competitive, but I personally do not recommend it for solo.
Tainted grail is great for solo and coop, but clearly much larger, longer, and more expensive 😅
I wasn't sucked into watching the original Tainted Grail play, but this one was way better. The Wyrdness reminds me of Silent Hill, very cool. The card combat, though, with all those tiny symbols, is very hard for me to wrap my head around. I guess you get used to it, but I don't find it intuitive yet. Hopefully there is replayability built in past the start, like you said.
Well...guess this is something I need to look into more!
Good call with the silent hill connection! I love those games… well, at least 1 and 2 :)
@@OneStopCoopShop 1 and 2 are aalll you need!
I wondwr how the upgrade pack will work for the 1st ed, need more information on that.
Unfortunately I don't know anything more than what they've released publicly. I'm curious myself!
I don't imagine they will be able to back-map ALL of these changes to the original, but even some would be cool!
Is there a way to use some of these new rules on the original game? I want to go back and play again and make different choices, but the grind was a killer, does the designer suggest we might use these new rules in the original story?
I haven’t seen anything official yet. There is an announced update pack, but not many details yet. But I would hope at least some things are ported back
Thank you for the overview. Do you think the updated mechanics could be easily applied to the original game? Or would it likely be too easy/unbalanced?
I think the food fix would be simple enough to port, though yes it would make things easier.
The waystone mechanic could be… sort of adapted? You could ignore the listed costs for lighting menhirs and make them cheaper. You could take away them counting down. And I guess you could mark locations with tokens if they got covered by wyrd instead of just taking the cards away. But that’d be a tougher mechanic to port over for sure
I don't know if everything in Kings of Ruin is being applied, but they are selling an update kit to the 2.0 version with this campaign for $8 as well if you're interested in that.
Is it a legacy game, meaning you play it a couple of times and that's it? Any randomization to the board and story?
From what I’ve seen here and in the original TG, there will probably be branching plot lines and different endings, but no, locations won’t change which events they contain or where things are on the map
Curious if you ever played the digital version and how it compares.
I have not, sorry! I remember hearing some mechanics were fairly different.
We really have entered the era where you skip the first crowdfunding campaign and wait for the second one lol.
Well, only when it’s a big company and we have the privilege of knowing there will BE a second campaign most likely 😅😅
Great video!
Not that it matters but - diplomacy encounter, where you able to play War Stories to end it? Has no connection, your charge on Keen Sight was already used. Am I understanding rules correctly, and you made a small mistake letting yourself be carried on by the moment?
You can always play your first card of a turn, even with zero connections.
@@OneStopCoopShop aaah yes, true, it was the first one of a turn? Well played then! 👏
Great content Mike!
Thanks!
Sounds like great tweaks. I really enjoyed the original game for the most part but hated the grind and definitely house ruled to get to the good parts. Good on them to be willing to change things.
Agreed. This is one of most player-focused sets of revisions to a game system I've seen. Or at least focused on players like us. I know there are some people in our Discord for example who never found any of the original grind-heavy :)
hi there, could those many changes (that apparently makes the game better) applied to the original game ?
Keep up the good work
Cheers
Thanks!
Several other comments asked the same question, so I’d check those for a more detailed answer. But in short… some, but not all.
AW prototype quality is crazy as always....
Yeah, the box basically looks like a final version too 😅
Thanks for the video🙏
Can anyone point out what makes this game stand out and why it's a great experience.
I can imagine the freedom to roam around has a lot to offer but the combat and influencing(can't remember the correct term) seem pretty darn boring. If there isn't any epic fighting going on it surely must have something else that pulls you in.
Is the character progression great, is it rewarding and can you obtain great new items or abilities, please help me out here.
Sounds like the game isn’t for you then, to be honest. The character leveling is nothing phenomenal. It’s mostly unlocking more attributes, and adding more combat and diplomacy cards. So if those systems seemed inherently boring to you, then I doubt you’ll find the character growth exciting either 😅
Thanks so much for answering. I guess the game isn't for me indeed. I have recently ordered a copy of Mage Knight Ultimate edition and I feel like that'll tick the boxes I'm looking for in a game.
Would you consider Oathsworn a good alternative? I love campaign games and awesome storytelling but centered around character progression and tactical(brain crunching) combat and decision making.
If those are your preferences then Oathsworn should be right up your alley!
I owned the first one, but i trade it away. Its a petty, because is an interesting game and well manufactured also with a lot of new and interesting mechanics, but a lot of times the narrative was so bad, that u couldn't finish a chapter because of it. I mean one time i found a major thing, and that was it. It didnt gave you a food,weapon or some sort of compensation, u just had to continue with the story......but with what? No food , nothing and u just where right back,dead to the 1 chapter. After i have done like 5 times it was enough.
The new one eliminates most of the grind, so you shouldn’t feel like you are ever back to square one. That being said, if you didn’t enjoy the narrative before, I don’t feel like the story they are telling here so far is drastically different in tone or scope
Hmm which one was that? Usually you get some rewards when you complete a deed or quest.
you don't have to start the game over. If you fail a chapter you can just restart it, following the All mother's mercy rules. Chapters give you rewards, but also there is plenty of places to gather resources, it is not an issue at all. If you died 5 times then you needed to play in story mode
I didn’t like the card mechanic (lining up symbols) in the original game so this is also an easy pass.
Oh absolutely. All the "fixes" they have are to reduce grind, but they didn't change any of the core systems.
I on the other hand think it's a fantastic system
@@Filthyy1 oh I’m sure people love it and for those like yourself who did, enjoy!
For me, it was a pass. Everyone’s different.
Agree. I found the combat and diplomacy approach to conflict resolution transformed the game from a coop to a multiplayer solitaire game with excessive downtime. The economics of the core mechanic was also broken if played smart due to how efficient leveling outpaces difficulty of the game.
@@bennoblaschke1169 that's one reason I preferred the original (and I expect this one) solo or 2-player co-op. If a fight goes really long the next player can at least start reading their next narrative passage :)
The 'tainted grail' concept is great. It lets designers appropriate a popular mythos without having to respect the lore. Amazon should have called their series tainted tolkien.
I’m not clear on your argument here, sorry! You’re saying you don’t want the TG team to do their own riff on Arthurian lore and tell new stories from that starting foundation?
And I don’t see the Tolkien connection at all, unless you were separately complaining about Rings of Power?
@@OneStopCoopShop If you played the video game King Arthur Knight's Tale perhaps my rant would make more sense. It does the same thing. Cashes in on the Arthurian legend without having to respect it. It's a popular strategy in all kinds of media, hence the reference to Rings of Power. I'm not on a crusade or anything, just making an observation.
@@garicb9271 I think there's irony in the Rings of Power comparison since Tolkien used various mythology (Nordic and Celtic primarily), religion and fairy tales as the basis for the Lord of the Rings.
@@PRC533 Fair point. Though Tolkien made what he stole look good.