@@noobhue1997 I mean 160mm rolled homogeneous plate angled backwards and to the side then what do you expect? It has a effective thickness of 480mm when faced frontally on that side plate.
nah that shell isn't mediocre at all, the only things it can struggle with is America or Britain in a full up tier and normally their have one of those nations on their team, mainly considering it mainly fights leopards, OF40s, and other lightly armored MBTs with at maximum 200mm of armor on a good day, 150mm normally
@@NotRealZayvoTrust the main issue is it's at a br where heat, apds, and apfsds begin to get stabilizers, meaning you won't get the first shot usually unless the enemy is braindead (which is quite often.) For example the Object 906 and T-55a have early stabs at 8.0, which is why the is-4m works really well in full down tiers but more often than not gets bullied in full up tiers unless you play it like a light tank 😂
If IS4 had soviet 100mm, it would be awesome. The 122mm in 7.7 is underwhelming, It's the same gun on ISU-122 in 5.3, and armor is almost useless given the quantity of HEAT, ATGM, and APDS in this BR. However In a full downtier it become a monster.
@@Polarfuchs I don't mean penetration of gun, pen is not good but it's enough, the problem is reload rate. In previous tanks with 122mm cannon it's doable because almost all WW2 tanks are sluggish So must of the time u can safely reload. In 7.7 and uptiers there are a lot of fast heat slingers and God forbid u shoot ur Gun.... All enemy team will rush to ur position.🤕 Maybe it's just my experience but it's really frustrating, I can do a lot better in IS3 because of 0.4 BR difference.
@@Polarfuchstbf, doesn't the 100mm have around the same pen as the 122mm? So the 100mm would have faster reload, (probably) better velocity while still having around the same pen and 1 shot potential.
"7.7 means a lot of downtiers" I have been getting so many 7.7 matches when I had a 7.3 lineup with my IS-3, but not just my first time using the IS4-M, but almost every match I get an 8.7 match. Yet when I get a 7.7 match, my team dies from map design or got infected by my incompetence.
Yea idk man. When I started out with the IS-4M I basically only got downtiers and now it's more equal. Guess it just depends on when you're playing. Had the same experience but reversed with the Maus.
The problem with the IS 4 is that when you do get a downtier you almost always get Germany and you know how German players are so it’s almost always a loss. Another thing is it feels like the barrel gets shot out a lot more than the is 3 or is 6
true that sometimes the armor works but when it doesnt is when the real problem starts, bad armor , under performing gun, bad speed, long very enticing barrel that can be shot, being a long boy, and looking like the immediate threat in almost all situations, its basically a t-34 1940 but upgunned with a long schlong
As a heavy tank lover, its lovely to see someone that likes the IS-4M like that, im glad to see that fr, hope your channel gets bigger and bigger, because you mate, have a huge potential! ^^
I do enjoy 7.7, trying to play the M103 and then getting sniped from across the map by a tandem charge atgm from a shturm s or getting hit by apfsds from a jagdpanzer k
This is the first time I’ve seen your video and I have to say. I love your voice, love your accent, love the sense of humour. I look forward to watching more of your content. Cheers.
after forcing myself to grind American and Swedish tech trees I have come to the realization that the only faction that ever has functional armor is the soviets most of the time with the Germans at least having acceptable armor at times.
im a russian main but the reason i think everyone just hates using this tank is due to the same issues found on any other IS tanks except at a worse BR. the large breech and muzzle break is enough to put you out of the fight and usually the repair duration is enough for tams or amx30s to close in on you. the reload rate is prob the main reason why this tank performs terrible, sure it will mostly oneshot everything but id argue the russian 100mm performs the same efficiency but with a much better fire rate and 122mm (atleast for me) is often cucked by how volumetric works in this game. all in all, is4m performs alright at 7.3-7.7 but in most cases, itll be sucked up to 8.0+
Ppl love to hate on soviet heavies bcz with few exceptions they all have a 20+ second reload meaning they cant rush in with their head cut off for a few cheap kills before going down I usually had a good time playing it and the only times i didnt was in full 8.7 uptiers. The armor of this thing is borderline impervious to conventional rounds, it gets 2 .50 cals and for such a hevy tank the mobility is surprisingly decent
New players don't remember the utter terror of having to fight this thing with a Kingtiger. The driver port weakspot is not as well known, but it is still weak to 400mm+ HEAT
I've been playing since 2016, heavy tank meta is almost gone. People use to love the IS4 because the combination was good. What you are missing in your experience is that heatfs and apds tanks got moved up. before you had the Leo1 and the italian m47 105 at 7.3 or the IVK at 7.0 penning you with no problems at any distance for example, chinese bmp with 900mm of pen. Plus you weren't save from 90mm heatfs aswell when they shoot you in the hull. 8.7 tanks used to be Rooikat 105, chinese wheels apfsds and atgms even Leoa1a1. So that's the experience from War Thunder players. Just because you started playing recently and you had good matchmaking doesn't mean that majority of the players were wrong because for years that experience wasn't nice in the first place. I used to bully Is4 with the Centauro when it was 8.0 the best you can do is go back and watch old videos of war thunder youtuber and see what the experience was.
Love it, very op tank but I always play every tank in a lower class heavy->medium-->light play it strategy and there is-4 in a downtime is just pure fantasy
When it comes to vehicles that give me a mini heart attack every time I have to fight them, Soviet 7.7 really takes the cake. France 7.7 is not far behind either
I think the main reason for people dislikeing this tank is the slow reload poor penetration and simply that meta and the tanks at the br range changed so much that this tabk simply became obselete,i like it a lot but when you think about it for a second,the stb-1,sauma sm,m48,t-54 is the same br then you'll understand why people might not like this tank despite this i adore the is-4 and the t-10m which pretty much has the same opinions and peoblems except pen
Alot of people talk smack about heavies in general but i think theyre the most fun in the game. Its hilarious eating shots and then one tapping them back 😂
I've player a lot of WT. It took me forever to figure out how to kill this thing. From what I can tell, you need at least 250 or so mm of pen aimed at the driver's hatch to knock it out. But even then it's not a guarantee. Absolutely terrifying vehicle.
@@Polarfuchs I literally just played a match using the Surbaisse, 300mm of pen at 10m. Shot at the driver's hatch at point blank and it didn't go through. So I beg to differ that you don't need that much pen.
i don't thinks IS4m is a bad tank but I don't like it because is really slow to turn so you canot make good mooves with it and his shell are really really really unefficients for its br, added to its 25s of reloading... that unplayable for me... for the same br, we have T54 with 10s of reloading,better shell and better mooves capacities for close duals(of course, at a long distances, the diference of speeds between IS4m and T54 does'nt matter at all) and finally, IS4m is really heavy for its br but his armor does'nt matter face to 8.3 or 8.7 apfsds rounds( and stab ). so I prefere playing 8.3-8.7 with T55a,amd or the object at 8.7 just after T10m... oh and sorry if my english is not perfect
Dude yes! someone told me the same thing yesterday, I'm at the is-3 rn and researching it, Im so hyped, its just an objective upgrade to the is-3 and i slaughter in the is-3 haha super hyped to get it!~
@@Berserk-1-Enjoyer wich weak spot ? its not the IS 6, and the reload can be down to 17 s, its long compared to other tanks, but if it pens its 100% a one shot
@@Berserk-1-Enjoyer its a weak spot if you have more than 300mm of pen, even the leopard can be bounced, and i never get killed by the driver hatch for more than 50 battles
Just find u in recommending and my bro, U are really skilled and now I'm maybe also try ussr tech tree :D. rly like ur content (if I made some misspells - sorry I'm Russian and never was teached eng but videogames)
I have no idea what the IS-4M gets as much hate as it does. I have nearly 9k hours in wt and I can confidently say that the IS-4M (and the Soviet 7.7 lineup), is one of the funniest things to play
The armour scheme is absolutely terrifying to face
Main weak spot is the driver
In my 50 games, I never died to that once. No one even tries to shoot that. I don't know why.
@@Polarfuchs TH-camr + Russian bias
@@Polarfuchs 80% match I play I get upteir I don’t even care about it anymore
@@Santer_MO ppl usually just shoot barrel/breech first which is why i dislike this thing
IS-4 the pinnacle of volumetric hell
Oh don't worry, the IS-4M was a monster even before volumetric. Especially against clueless people who didn't know how to kill it.
When Spookston was playing the Surblindé, he shot the flat upper side of the hull and it bounced the shot.
@@noobhue1997average french tank moment
@@noobhue1997 thats the funny thing, it is never really flat
@@noobhue1997 I mean 160mm rolled homogeneous plate angled backwards and to the side then what do you expect? It has a effective thickness of 480mm when faced frontally on that side plate.
Finally, a fellow is-4m enjoyer, the largest downside isn't the reload or mediocre shell, it's simply the lack of enemies.
nah that shell isn't mediocre at all, the only things it can struggle with is America or Britain in a full up tier and normally their have one of those nations on their team, mainly considering it mainly fights leopards, OF40s, and other lightly armored MBTs with at maximum 200mm of armor on a good day, 150mm normally
@@NotRealZayvoTrust the main issue is it's at a br where heat, apds, and apfsds begin to get stabilizers, meaning you won't get the first shot usually unless the enemy is braindead (which is quite often.) For example the Object 906 and T-55a have early stabs at 8.0, which is why the is-4m works really well in full down tiers but more often than not gets bullied in full up tiers unless you play it like a light tank 😂
I haven’t had any isssue with the shells all the way up to 8.7, it may be your position and what shots your able to get off
So real lmaoo
The only problems I encountered in the IS-4M are my teammates being incredibly unhelpful. Other than that? I had fun with it.
"Piet you fool"
Nice starwars quoet
Also “No tank that small has a cloaking device”
Everyone’s scared about the IS-6… but then they meet the IS-4 for the first time 💀
Soy virgin IS-6 "oh no I got penetrated" turret
vs
Chad IS-4M turret made of pure bullshitium
@@Polarfuchs Other day I had 3 tiger II, and many other tanks shooting at me, none of them penetrated for a good 2 minutes
Mobile players with so much br compression... Time to 90mm heat.
@@Polarfuchs IS-4 is busted in WOT So I wasn't surprised.
@@Polarfuchsas a conqueror main armour fears me
That video showcased the classic WT experience.
Having a few fun matches until slowly descending into madness 😂😂
If IS4 had soviet 100mm, it would be awesome. The 122mm in 7.7 is underwhelming, It's the same gun on ISU-122 in 5.3, and armor is almost useless given the quantity of HEAT, ATGM, and APDS in this BR.
However In a full downtier it become a monster.
I would argue the 122 isn't necessarily losing effectiveness at this BR, as there are plenty of vehicles that are sacrificing armour for mobility.
@@Polarfuchs I don't mean penetration of gun, pen is not good but it's enough, the problem is reload rate. In previous tanks with 122mm cannon it's doable because almost all WW2 tanks are sluggish So must of the time u can safely reload. In 7.7 and uptiers there are a lot of fast heat slingers and God forbid u shoot ur Gun.... All enemy team will rush to ur position.🤕
Maybe it's just my experience but it's really frustrating, I can do a lot better in IS3 because of 0.4 BR difference.
Hmh, fair enough. I usually just use the 2 .50's to delete every single track that I can find if I get overwhelmed.
@@Polarfuchstbf, doesn't the 100mm have around the same pen as the 122mm?
So the 100mm would have faster reload, (probably) better velocity while still having around the same pen and 1 shot potential.
i love fighting the is4 in my tiger 2💀💀
"7.7 means a lot of downtiers"
I have been getting so many 7.7 matches when I had a 7.3 lineup with my IS-3, but not just my first time using the IS4-M, but almost every match I get an 8.7 match. Yet when I get a 7.7 match, my team dies from map design or got infected by my incompetence.
Yea idk man. When I started out with the IS-4M I basically only got downtiers and now it's more equal. Guess it just depends on when you're playing. Had the same experience but reversed with the Maus.
The problem with the IS 4 is that when you do get a downtier you almost always get Germany and you know how German players are so it’s almost always a loss. Another thing is it feels like the barrel gets shot out a lot more than the is 3 or is 6
I do SUPER WELL with the IS-3 and IS-4 despite all the flaws, its like I'm destined to use the IS tank series.
I remember when I was starting out and people told me that the IS-4 would be shit to play, but it's still one of my favorite tank it's honestly great
I cant wait for this guy to blow up hes really underrated
4:02 Привет classic world for a enemy
true that sometimes the armor works but when it doesnt is when the real problem starts, bad armor , under performing gun, bad speed, long very enticing barrel that can be shot, being a long boy, and looking like the immediate threat in almost all situations, its basically a t-34 1940 but upgunned with a long schlong
Its not that the armor is bad per say. Its actualy Amazing however the modern ammo will nuke you.
Its still great against regular shells.
@@Dominikuuu true, true but everyone will target you if you play it for some reason i can say from experience
As a heavy tank lover, its lovely to see someone that likes the IS-4M like that, im glad to see that fr, hope your channel gets bigger and bigger, because you mate, have a huge potential! ^^
Thank you :)
@@Polarfuchs yw my friend ^^
Tank goog but depends on matchmaker, luckily 7.7 is mostly downtiers (yes guys TAM vs IS4 is very fair)
Almost every 7.7 game I have is an upteir to 8.0 or even 8.7 on occasion, I do main france, so that's probably why.
most 7.3 and 7.7 is uptiered, maybe Gaijin love you.
I do enjoy 7.7, trying to play the M103 and then getting sniped from across the map by a tandem charge atgm from a shturm s or getting hit by apfsds from a jagdpanzer k
Since when 7.7 is mostly downtiers? Tf? When did that change happened?
Thanks Wargaming for have introduced me to War Thunder by nerfing the IS-4 in WoTB
i love this THICC boy , lots of fun to use it alongside the other IS tanks like the is-3 is-6 and t10a , quite a beefy lineup
This is the first time I’ve seen your video and I have to say. I love your voice, love your accent, love the sense of humour. I look forward to watching more of your content. Cheers.
Thanks man :)
Good game play man
after forcing myself to grind American and Swedish tech trees I have come to the realization that the only faction that ever has functional armor is the soviets most of the time with the Germans at least having acceptable armor at times.
im a russian main but the reason i think everyone just hates using this tank is due to the same issues found on any other IS tanks except at a worse BR.
the large breech and muzzle break is enough to put you out of the fight and usually the repair duration is enough for tams or amx30s to close in on you.
the reload rate is prob the main reason why this tank performs terrible, sure it will mostly oneshot everything but id argue the russian 100mm performs the same efficiency but with a much better fire rate and 122mm (atleast for me) is often cucked by how volumetric works in this game.
all in all, is4m performs alright at 7.3-7.7 but in most cases, itll be sucked up to 8.0+
I found the reload and barrel breaking isn't as much of an issue, thanks to the 2 .50's, which just outright delete tracks.
i was saying where is the centurion torturing then here it is 13:34 that just explains my experience with IS-4M a year ago.
IS-4 has way better armour than MAUS and IS-6
Not maus
@@Fazorplaysbetter distributed armour, then
Ppl love to hate on soviet heavies bcz with few exceptions they all have a 20+ second reload meaning they cant rush in with their head cut off for a few cheap kills before going down
I usually had a good time playing it and the only times i didnt was in full 8.7 uptiers. The armor of this thing is borderline impervious to conventional rounds, it gets 2 .50 cals and for such a hevy tank the mobility is surprisingly decent
New players don't remember the utter terror of having to fight this thing with a Kingtiger. The driver port weakspot is not as well known, but it is still weak to 400mm+ HEAT
I've been playing since 2016, heavy tank meta is almost gone. People use to love the IS4 because the combination was good. What you are missing in your experience is that heatfs and apds tanks got moved up. before you had the Leo1 and the italian m47 105 at 7.3 or the IVK at 7.0 penning you with no problems at any distance for example, chinese bmp with 900mm of pen. Plus you weren't save from 90mm heatfs aswell when they shoot you in the hull. 8.7 tanks used to be Rooikat 105, chinese wheels apfsds and atgms even Leoa1a1. So that's the experience from War Thunder players. Just because you started playing recently and you had good matchmaking doesn't mean that majority of the players were wrong because for years that experience wasn't nice in the first place. I used to bully Is4 with the Centauro when it was 8.0
the best you can do is go back and watch old videos of war thunder youtuber and see what the experience was.
Fair enough.
Getting good at WT feels like being in the sandpaper room, I'm probably just lacking interest for my tism to do it's magic.
Your channel is such a hidden gem. I’m happy I found it
Love it, very op tank but I always play every tank in a lower class heavy->medium-->light play it strategy and there is-4 in a downtime is just pure fantasy
8:57 honestly, that feels ridiculously low for how well you did, especially with premium.
When it comes to vehicles that give me a mini heart attack every time I have to fight them, Soviet 7.7 really takes the cake. France 7.7 is not far behind either
That 30mm APDS spalls more and does more damage than my 3in was today.
I think the main reason for people dislikeing this tank is the slow reload poor penetration and simply that meta and the tanks at the br range changed so much that this tabk simply became obselete,i like it a lot but when you think about it for a second,the stb-1,sauma sm,m48,t-54 is the same br then you'll understand why people might not like this tank despite this i adore the is-4 and the t-10m which pretty much has the same opinions and peoblems except pen
No wonder people keep shooting me through smoke
I was always sus when people shot me through smoke, but now I know that it's just a snail moment
Can’t believe this is my first time seeing you on here, amazing content!
I take the is-4m into 8.7 lobbies and it still can get some work done but to be fair it’s light tanks and ifv’s for the most part
100% Organic Log armor best armor
I love the IS4 as well. Great tank
Honestly, you are quite underrated man. +1 sub
Thank you :)
the accent makes this so entertaining
"7.7 means a lot of downtiers" yeahhhh about that.... I've seen one down tier in 26 matches. It's pain and suffering
this tank is biggest nightmare for new 6.7 german main in brand new tiger II
The armour pyramid scheme is strong with this one
Alot of people talk smack about heavies in general but i think theyre the most fun in the game. Its hilarious eating shots and then one tapping them back 😂
You should be lucky enough to meet only AP type shells and no HEAT/AP(FS)DS on this tank. And yes... 230 mm of pen with 20s of reload at 7.7?
hes back!!!
I've player a lot of WT. It took me forever to figure out how to kill this thing. From what I can tell, you need at least 250 or so mm of pen aimed at the driver's hatch to knock it out. But even then it's not a guarantee. Absolutely terrifying vehicle.
You don't actually need that much pen for the weakspot, though it's still not terribly consistent.
@@Polarfuchs I literally just played a match using the Surbaisse, 300mm of pen at 10m. Shot at the driver's hatch at point blank and it didn't go through. So I beg to differ that you don't need that much pen.
Check protection analysis.
You have to shoot the upper part of the driver hatch, I Can consistently pen it using french 100 and 120mm
I was laughing so hard when I was repairing my barrel whilst swarmed by tiger 2’s and they kept bouncing on the back of my turret😂😂
Dude I just found you, your commentary is hilarious 😂
Greetings as a fellow german 🤝🇩🇪
I can’t believe they would say this is a bad tank this thing is great
Immediately subbed cus of how funny you are dude.
IS-4M is quite a decent tank to play, i actually get NUKE with IS-4M
It's the first time I see you Chanel and its great dude
the driver thing that is flat is easy to pen with over 200mm of pen i killed it with a 100 mm cannon with 239 mm of pen
Good video mate
my new favorite ADHD WAR THUNDER TH-camR!!!
I fucking love this thing, second most used tank behind the T32E1, I think I have like 3500kills or something with it and a 3.4k/d
T32: at least you get good stock round
i don't thinks IS4m is a bad tank but I don't like it because is really slow to turn so you canot make good mooves with it and his shell are really really really unefficients for its br, added to its 25s of reloading... that unplayable for me... for the same br, we have T54 with 10s of reloading,better shell and better mooves capacities for close duals(of course, at a long distances, the diference of speeds between IS4m and T54 does'nt matter at all) and finally, IS4m is really heavy for its br but his armor does'nt matter face to 8.3 or 8.7 apfsds rounds( and stab ). so I prefere playing 8.3-8.7 with T55a,amd or the object at 8.7 just after T10m...
oh and sorry if my english is not perfect
First time watching your channel great video. subbed
Russian mithril, better known as stalinium.
Cheers from Argentina!
I have a KD of 6 with the IS-4M. That thing is a monster
In an uptier unless you s
Flank em or not see any tank like t54 variant your done for the t54 (1947) is a beast it’s the same exact tank but better
epic gameplay, i like the is4m too
Dude yes! someone told me the same thing yesterday, I'm at the is-3 rn and researching it, Im so hyped, its just an objective upgrade to the is-3 and i slaughter in the is-3 haha
super hyped to get it!~
Good luck lad!
The grind must continue.
I wish one day you get big you have such a fun style of editing lol
Thank you :)
i never understood why people hate the IS 4M too , it is an amazing tank ! glad to finaly see someone with the same opinion
The massive weak spot and long Relod is why most people don't like it
@@Berserk-1-Enjoyer wich weak spot ? its not the IS 6, and the reload can be down to 17 s, its long compared to other tanks, but if it pens its 100% a one shot
@@mat-vl5mb the weak spot in the middle of its hall
@@Berserk-1-Enjoyer its a weak spot if you have more than 300mm of pen, even the leopard can be bounced, and i never get killed by the driver hatch for more than 50 battles
@@mat-vl5mb I got it and I'd like to say I love it you where right
So I'm not the only one who moans when I'm playing
The moaning makes me feel like I'm watching zarbon play war thunder
"The ADHD epidemic has been a disaster for the War Thunder community"
-Polarfuchs
I couldn't agree more! 😂
nice video, you just earned a new subscriber! 😄
When I heard “Piett you fool” I immediately subbed
It will be done my lord
Just find u in recommending and my bro, U are really skilled and now I'm maybe also try ussr tech tree :D. rly like ur content (if I made some misspells - sorry I'm Russian and never was teached eng but videogames)
War thunder player learns that its possible to do well and have fun no matter how bad a tank is
I know right? Absolutely crazy.
I love IS4M it's really fun
Žižka was giving you power all along
Visually impaired, just like me fr
Friends warned me about the is4m being bad but my experience things at at down tiers
10k special when, Mr Fox?
Channel membership when?
BACK! To The Hangar
me when plane
7:46
I believe in IS-4M and T10M supremacy....2 of my favorite tanks
Everyone hate it cause this thing have stroges turret face, even apfds can be block by it
i really want to like the russian 122mm, but it just doesn't do anything a bit to many times.. and then ofc the long aaaah reload xD
great video btw!
The shell has a huge hitbox, so it tends to hit a great many random bullshit on its way
@@Polarfuchs indeed, volumetric hell strikes again
this video make me happy
grinding the IS-4 rn, trying to make a line up with IS-3, IS-6, and T-10A
This tank is my favourite tank in the game. Love this thing.
Yes you can see from the smoke regularly that's how we where the tank when they're smoke in warthunder mobile
I have no idea what the IS-4M gets as much hate as it does. I have nearly 9k hours in wt and I can confidently say that the IS-4M (and the Soviet 7.7 lineup), is one of the funniest things to play
Damn, that's a lot of hours
ur pfp sparks something
Bro not gonna even lie you sound like king Julian so much😭😭🙏🙏
Is7's grandpa 😂😂😂
you're better off taking less rounds, with the long reload you never shoot that many
Maginot line is the worst map for the maus if your team clobbers the enemy team, I had a match with 0 battle activity
many times if this tank is good angle it can bounce ATGM from Bradley
no one talking about mincraft lobby?
love your video btw
food for ligth tanks with heat-fs
everyone gangsta till the IS-7 pulls up
yes
today in one battle sis4 ate all my rockets from raketenautomat...💀💀💀
10:12is said critical shit😂
did my first nuke with it love it to