@@tooterbooter9877 They keep giving him 1v1s instead of fighting him together what do you expect lol. If they play like that even a 2x stat mercy can roll them
The main thing I noticed from all of this is that even in a 5v1, a Mei will still trap her tank on the enemy's side of her wall and leave them for death.
I would like to make a suggestion. When you guys show the multiplier at the beginning (2.5x in this case), you could also list some damage numbers for primary weapon, abilities etc. That would give an idea how strong the hero is beforehand. Anyway, I love this series. Keep it up!
Tbh, u should be knowing those by heart, but I can help for this video. I shall state default values here. 40(less than 50 for sure) dmg, with headshot multiplier of 2x. I believe no falloff. Each block in the hp bar is 25 hp. Orb of harmony is 30heal/s , lower than soldiers heal. Discord makes enemy take 25% more dmg. Transcendence is 300hp/s with an ult cost of around 2200. Zen dosent have orange hp(Armor) so how effective health is 500 itself with 400 auto regen which heals at around 22.5 /s (supp passive + shield/blue hp) Base meele is 45 for zen.
this is a good idea!! dude above me said "tbh you should know it by heart 🤓" but then gives incorrect dmg (its 48 w/o discord) also how you figure zen has 500hp bro its 200hp at 50/150 health/shield ratio, 1:3 not 1:4 like you stated
@@crby101 oh yeah lol it's 125-375 thought his split was 40 160 mb. And from the video i said 500 as 200 x 2.5 is 500. 375 passive regen. As fyi, knowing damage thresholds is pretty important, helps u know if u would get a kill or die with your hp, like knowing that u don't need 100% widow charge to kill a squishy, or learn why ashe was nerfed to prevent one shots, or know when to pop an orissa ult .etc Being nerdy helps in video games
@@abhinandhari7812 no worries bro I meant no disrespect, I sounded like an asshole sorta, sorry. I misunderstood about the health pool, makes sense now. glhf in your next games man!
19:15-19:20 This made me laugh harder than it should have. Proof of why that buff has been the best thing for Zen, just too great. Love you Emongg, you're a beast
The Orisa was clearly the winning strategy. The amount of extra time it took Emongg to kill her made it a lot easier to pump in damage before he could one-shot the squishies. Idk why they ever swapped off of her in that Ilios game.
@@Bbistheman_ honestly it was the same for me,my mechanics are pretty good since I play a lot of different fps,but I was pretty clueless.Luckily I’ve played since ow1 tho 😁
Wouldn't really call a zen doing 30% of your hp with 1 shot a skill gap, but yeah he did complain a little soon. Y'all gotta stop misusing terminology just because you want to insult someone.
@Joshua Patrick I mean I don't like the term skill gap at all too. But there is something to be said about his immediate deflection to typing "overtuned." There really shouldn't be anything overtuned when your doing 1v5. I play in Bronze and Silver lobbys because I play so little and with friends that are extremely new to the game. And so often we get a teammate that flames my friends so hard. But the other player does the same thing of running at the team by themselves over and over. The way to improve is to look at yourself objectively and find what u can change about yourself not trying to find blame in mechanics, teammates, etc.
I was impressed when you had the opportunity to transcended out of the Rhine rush but my favorite moment was when they needed to touch point and switched to ball and you just booted him away. I laughed at the irony of that denial lol
That's the thing about playing with or against a lot of bronze players. They all run in 1 by 1 to die to the enemy team until they all die and spawn together then they group up and all die to ult's get sent back to spawn to then say grouping up didn't work in going to go my way now and continue to lose. Classic Bronze 🥉
Ive been playing Zen since the first overwatch came out, i remember Zen is the least pick support heroes (the reason is because hes too weak), but i picked him anyway because i like the character design. And now many years have passed, my Boy came along way becoming one of the favorite and also strong support heroes.
Dva, Brig, Tracer, Lucio, Genji is honestly the best comp for this. DM on Zen means he's basically a floating target for everyone else and so Emongg would've had to play much more conservatively here.
Imagine if one (un)lucky bronze player was forced to play in ALL of these matches. We would be able to watch some poor guy either slowly become The Protagonist, or that guy at the beginning of horror movies that's seen too much and tells the rest of his team to turn back before it's too late.
@@xeffary7390 that's an ironic question to throw out, after you came to me throwing out incorrect damage numbers having nothing to do with the buffed zen we're seeing in the video. What does your bad math have to do with a zen with 2.5x stats?
I love this matchup because its by far the most interesting. Whereas the strat for tanks relies on being the definition of a raid boss, and dps heavily relies on hitting shots and ability usage, zen is (as stated in the video) the definition of a glass cannon. While with the buffed stats he demolishes healthbars, he cannot take a huge amount of punishment like other buffed characters. Plus he is slow moving so the typical strat of rotating to different healthpacks isnt viable. But if Zen wins the fight, his health restores itself. Super fun to watch
@@DrBlueHigh that would be too broken as slam would do 10x50 dmg per person and he would get like 350 health for hitting A ability but would love the concept at like 3.5 as then slam doesn’t just 1 shot but feel like he would lack too much dmg
There aren't many ways the Bronzes could've pulled out consistent wins, but the end of King's Row was definitely close. Just consider Zen's base stats pre-multiplier: 48 damage with his Orbs (with no falloff); +25% damage with Discord (48 → 60); and then an ultimate that just hits 'pause' on the game for five seconds. There's almost no damage or support hero that'll survive a raw ~300 [(48 × 2 × 1.25) × 2.5] damage orb to the head. That's a Widow headshot multiple times a second. The only way is to remove your head hitbox all together, or to have damage mitigation of some kind, or both... so automatically, that makes Orisa (40% mitigation with Fortify), Bastion (20% transformed) and Ana (50% with Nano) veritable must-picks, the former two also removing the ability to headshot completely for a short amount of time; they also both have some amount of armor, whose importance will be made clear later. Orisa also has her Javelin Spin, which is basically a 2-second Matrix, good for eating quick volleys of orbs with little to no risk. For your second healer, you could argue that Lucio is a massive pool of extra health with his Sound Barrier... ...but Baptiste's immortality field is four seconds of guaranteed invulnerability at any given time and can be concealed more readily, so he'd probably be your pick there. That just leaves your second DPS, and there's not much versatility there... Torbjörn has both a hard-to-find head hitbox and can give himself 100 health (350 total) in a pinch; he has a small armor pool that slightly mitigates 30% of incoming damage, turning his 350 HP pool into effectively [300 + (50 ÷ 0.7)] or *372* HP (barely surviving four non-Discord bodyshots); and his turret is another 225 HP distraction that draws precious few bullets away from your teammates' heads. The armor equation holds true for Bastion as well, who effectively has 428 [(200 + (100 ÷ 0.7)) ÷ 0.8] total HP, and Orisa who can soak up nearly 1200 damage or *eight* orbs at full health with Fortify [(275 + (275 ÷ 0.7) + 75) ÷ 0.6] while afflicted with Discord Orb. There are surely more heroes with some level of utility, but those five-Orisa, Bastion, Torb, Ana, and Baptiste-are probably the go-to against a massively buffed Zenyatta.
I think the comp I would play for this would be Rein - Mei - Junk - Ana - Moira, the first 3 would just have fight winning ults(that would be easy to catch you with) unless you use your ult, Ana can sleep and nade which would probably be fight winning as well and moira can just pump damage with her orbs without los'ing
I wish the bronzes would just play together 😂. I feel like just stacking behind a DMing Dva and diving would be the best option. But they all just run in one at a time 😂
They've been pretty coordinated in other videos. I don't know what was up with the group in this one cuz they were all playing like actual bronzes lol.
I mean how well can you control a bunch of randoms. Better skilled players can adapt on the fly without communication but not the same for bronze players. They could win if they use the strategy of "monkeys together strong" for sure
Watching 3 bronzes playing characters that require them to outaim a Zen that can 2 shot them is making me lose so many braincells Also watching a chain feed that lasts for like 5 minutes straight
The tank crying at the start without even trying different strats or setups got me. Also, I notice there is the same guy/guys on the enemy team. Is no one signing up to do this?
I think Rein is honestly the best tank here. Shield + Two forms of CC makes him very solid in the Zen match-up. I do like Mei Bastion against Zen and the Rein pick is definitely a compliment to Bastion. For supports, I like Zen here but I think Mercy provides more value than Kiriko.
"Can I one shot Tracer with a headshot?" he says before one shotting an Ana with a headshot
he can oneshot tracer with a bodyshot lol
@@knyt0 if discorded
“Zen is a glass canon right now not overtuned” as he dies only twice on defense
@@tooterbooter9877 well the Bronzes would have had picked him off more if they, as mister Mong said himself, had rushed him down as a group more often
@@tooterbooter9877 They keep giving him 1v1s instead of fighting him together what do you expect lol. If they play like that even a 2x stat mercy can roll them
The main thing I noticed from all of this is that even in a 5v1, a Mei will still trap her tank on the enemy's side of her wall and leave them for death.
I laughed so hard when that happened
If he dies he dies. Literally the role of a tank gotta roll with the punches
Simply how mei operates, a tank must die because of wall. Yours or theirs.
And then blame the tank.
@@snvcchs bronze ass take
I would like to make a suggestion.
When you guys show the multiplier at the beginning (2.5x in this case), you could also list some damage numbers for primary weapon, abilities etc. That would give an idea how strong the hero is beforehand.
Anyway, I love this series. Keep it up!
Tbh, u should be knowing those by heart, but I can help for this video. I shall state default values here.
40(less than 50 for sure) dmg, with headshot multiplier of 2x. I believe no falloff.
Each block in the hp bar is 25 hp.
Orb of harmony is 30heal/s , lower than soldiers heal.
Discord makes enemy take 25% more dmg.
Transcendence is 300hp/s with an ult cost of around 2200.
Zen dosent have orange hp(Armor) so how effective health is 500 itself with 400 auto regen which heals at around 22.5 /s (supp passive + shield/blue hp)
Base meele is 45 for zen.
this is a good idea!! dude above me said "tbh you should know it by heart 🤓" but then gives incorrect dmg (its 48 w/o discord) also how you figure zen has 500hp bro its 200hp at 50/150 health/shield ratio, 1:3 not 1:4 like you stated
@@crby101 oh yeah lol it's 125-375 thought his split was 40 160 mb.
And from the video i said 500 as 200 x 2.5 is 500. 375 passive regen.
As fyi, knowing damage thresholds is pretty important, helps u know if u would get a kill or die with your hp, like knowing that u don't need 100% widow charge to kill a squishy, or learn why ashe was nerfed to prevent one shots, or know when to pop an orissa ult .etc
Being nerdy helps in video games
@@abhinandhari7812 no worries bro I meant no disrespect, I sounded like an asshole sorta, sorry. I misunderstood about the health pool, makes sense now. glhf in your next games man!
@@crby101 none taken friend
Lore accurate zen
Doomfist trembles at the sight of this tranquil lad
@@munchlax6577 no fist has ever won against an open mind- zen
@@eye41see92 is zen rlly that strong in the lore?
@Hating for no reason he can do transcendent
@@KfcOwner his powers being spiritual/mystical make it different and likely stronger than tech
19:15-19:20 This made me laugh harder than it should have. Proof of why that buff has been the best thing for Zen, just too great. Love you Emongg, you're a beast
Easily my favorite part of the video
I screamed with laughter at this part 😂😂😂
Love how skippernick is writing in chat during the fight. Really upholding the bronze play style.
The Orisa was clearly the winning strategy. The amount of extra time it took Emongg to kill her made it a lot easier to pump in damage before he could one-shot the squishies. Idk why they ever swapped off of her in that Ilios game.
He spent more time shooting at orisa than all his kills put together. Why they swapped is beyond me
These bronzes seem more believable than some other videos of bronzes who are suspiciously very good.
Some bronze players are decent mechanically but don't understand the game at all. It's a lot easier when emongg pretty much tells them what to do
@@Bbistheman_ can agree as a bronze.
Except my mechanics suck too, feels bad
@@Bbistheman_ honestly it was the same for me,my mechanics are pretty good since I play a lot of different fps,but I was pretty clueless.Luckily I’ve played since ow1 tho 😁
Usually in videos like these bronzes are all in vc, perhaps they arent comunicsting in this vid
@@Bbistheman_ hey love the BL2 pfp man, such an amazing game
I love the one bronze guy in the beginning saying it's "overtuned" because he got skill gapped 🤣
yeah that dude could not stop typing, seemed pretty young tho so whatever
Tbf, the guy's in bronze against gm or top 500, obvious skill gap idiot
Yeah he was the one that most often ran at him without a teammate in sight too. Basically sums up what silver and lower lobbys are like perfect. Look
Wouldn't really call a zen doing 30% of your hp with 1 shot a skill gap, but yeah he did complain a little soon.
Y'all gotta stop misusing terminology just because you want to insult someone.
@Joshua Patrick I mean I don't like the term skill gap at all too. But there is something to be said about his immediate deflection to typing "overtuned." There really shouldn't be anything overtuned when your doing 1v5. I play in Bronze and Silver lobbys because I play so little and with friends that are extremely new to the game. And so often we get a teammate that flames my friends so hard. But the other player does the same thing of running at the team by themselves over and over. The way to improve is to look at yourself objectively and find what u can change about yourself not trying to find blame in mechanics, teammates, etc.
I love seeing lore accurate Zen. We all know he'd kick the shit out of Hog
I was impressed when you had the opportunity to transcended out of the Rhine rush but my favorite moment was when they needed to touch point and switched to ball and you just booted him away. I laughed at the irony of that denial lol
21:45 got me laughing after he said “you monster”
The lack of footsteps had them shook 😳
I chuckled at how he still crouch-walked when trying to sneak as Zen.
I love how this series just proves how Orisa can stay alive for too long and bully supports XD
Orisa was 100% the difference maker
If they stayed on Orisa and the team didn't stagger 90% of the time, easy win
The one DPS who kept trying to sneak is my kind of energy. Also the same result I usually get xD
That's the thing about playing with or against a lot of bronze players. They all run in 1 by 1 to die to the enemy team until they all die and spawn together then they group up and all die to ult's get sent back to spawn to then say grouping up didn't work in going to go my way now and continue to lose. Classic Bronze 🥉
I think the deciding factor on Push was the cart push speed, they could move it at 3 ticks vs your 1.
The push bot moves at the same speed no matter how many are on it
@@gav.bxnnet6050 ah i meant payload escort, i forgot what it was called lol. The one with the cart, not the robot.
I would to see a lucio one since bronzes can’t hit him most times anyway😂
I would also to see.
yes please
i honestly think if he had been better about using discord, he could have taken that push map
Zen Kick be like: "Get off my point!! Get off my point!!" got me cracking hard there 🤣🤣🤣
As a Zen main this is heaven to see
Ive been playing Zen since the first overwatch came out, i remember Zen is the least pick support heroes (the reason is because hes too weak), but i picked him anyway because i like the character design.
And now many years have passed, my Boy came along way becoming one of the favorite and also strong support heroes.
Dva, Brig, Tracer, Lucio, Genji is honestly the best comp for this. DM on Zen means he's basically a floating target for everyone else and so Emongg would've had to play much more conservatively here.
any comp could have won if they werent bronze tbh
How flats sees Zen:
lmao
I'd love to see this concept the other way around too. Where one or two buffed bronzes take on GMs
I think jay3 or someone did that
Buffed Zen: "peace be upon you...as I slaughgter you like a madman"
I love the “Get off my point” kicks from zen
9:21
the person who typed “don’t get tilted, don’t get tilted, don’t get tilted” cracked me up
Imagine if one (un)lucky bronze player was forced to play in ALL of these matches. We would be able to watch some poor guy either slowly become The Protagonist, or that guy at the beginning of horror movies that's seen too much and tells the rest of his team to turn back before it's too late.
1:20 500hp on a character that can pop heads in one shot. That's not a glass cannon. That's just a cannon. Like pre-nerf hog on a diet.
Or widow without the diet
thats 100 damage per team member on an easy to hit character, i think if the 5 were any higher elo he'd get speared once and instantly blow up
@@xeffary7390 zen does 96 damage on a headshot with normal stats. This is 2.5x stats.
@@christopherbonds1858 what does that have to do with what i said
@@xeffary7390 that's an ironic question to throw out, after you came to me throwing out incorrect damage numbers having nothing to do with the buffed zen we're seeing in the video. What does your bad math have to do with a zen with 2.5x stats?
I love this matchup because its by far the most interesting. Whereas the strat for tanks relies on being the definition of a raid boss, and dps heavily relies on hitting shots and ability usage, zen is (as stated in the video) the definition of a glass cannon. While with the buffed stats he demolishes healthbars, he cannot take a huge amount of punishment like other buffed characters. Plus he is slow moving so the typical strat of rotating to different healthpacks isnt viable. But if Zen wins the fight, his health restores itself.
Super fun to watch
17:34 “Ha.. you hit my trap card” that’s all I got from that
I was waiting to see how long until Emongg realized that shields don’t stop Zen
So this is what would have happened if Zenyatta became the violent one instead of Ramattra.
lmao the sound zen makes at 17:06 when he got pinned
Would love to see a 10x stats zen but you can only kick.
if doomfist was awesome:
@@DrBlueHigh that would be too broken as slam would do 10x50 dmg per person and he would get like 350 health for hitting A ability but would love the concept at like 3.5 as then slam doesn’t just 1 shot but feel like he would lack too much dmg
Tldr: would be 2 hard to tune properly
@@broadbunny5472 i wasnt talking about doomfist himself
i was referring to 10x kickboxer zen
There aren't many ways the Bronzes could've pulled out consistent wins, but the end of King's Row was definitely close. Just consider Zen's base stats pre-multiplier:
48 damage with his Orbs (with no falloff); +25% damage with Discord (48 → 60); and then an ultimate that just hits 'pause' on the game for five seconds.
There's almost no damage or support hero that'll survive a raw ~300 [(48 × 2 × 1.25) × 2.5] damage orb to the head. That's a Widow headshot multiple times a second. The only way is to remove your head hitbox all together, or to have damage mitigation of some kind, or both... so automatically, that makes Orisa (40% mitigation with Fortify), Bastion (20% transformed) and Ana (50% with Nano) veritable must-picks, the former two also removing the ability to headshot completely for a short amount of time; they also both have some amount of armor, whose importance will be made clear later. Orisa also has her Javelin Spin, which is basically a 2-second Matrix, good for eating quick volleys of orbs with little to no risk.
For your second healer, you could argue that Lucio is a massive pool of extra health with his Sound Barrier...
...but Baptiste's immortality field is four seconds of guaranteed invulnerability at any given time and can be concealed more readily, so he'd probably be your pick there.
That just leaves your second DPS, and there's not much versatility there... Torbjörn has both a hard-to-find head hitbox and can give himself 100 health (350 total) in a pinch; he has a small armor pool that slightly mitigates 30% of incoming damage, turning his 350 HP pool into effectively [300 + (50 ÷ 0.7)] or *372* HP (barely surviving four non-Discord bodyshots); and his turret is another 225 HP distraction that draws precious few bullets away from your teammates' heads. The armor equation holds true for Bastion as well, who effectively has 428 [(200 + (100 ÷ 0.7)) ÷ 0.8] total HP, and Orisa who can soak up nearly 1200 damage or *eight* orbs at full health with Fortify [(275 + (275 ÷ 0.7) + 75) ÷ 0.6] while afflicted with Discord Orb.
There are surely more heroes with some level of utility, but those five-Orisa, Bastion, Torb, Ana, and Baptiste-are probably the go-to against a massively buffed Zenyatta.
I think the comp I would play for this would be Rein - Mei - Junk - Ana - Moira, the first 3 would just have fight winning ults(that would be easy to catch you with) unless you use your ult, Ana can sleep and nade which would probably be fight winning as well and moira can just pump damage with her orbs without los'ing
11:38 is really just a classic bronze mei moment huh
I love that Emmong, even without using the DMG org that much, was better with zen than with Hammond with 3X
that transition you have gives me the spins...yall are hilarious tho
I wish the bronzes would just play together 😂. I feel like just stacking behind a DMing Dva and diving would be the best option. But they all just run in one at a time 😂
They're bronze for a reason lol
@@christopherbonds1858 I mean yeah your right 😂
He would have to either buff him some even more or ban characters if they play that boring tbh cus I'd rather see emongg win than some bronzes.
They've been pretty coordinated in other videos. I don't know what was up with the group in this one cuz they were all playing like actual bronzes lol.
I mean how well can you control a bunch of randoms. Better skilled players can adapt on the fly without communication but not the same for bronze players.
They could win if they use the strategy of "monkeys together strong" for sure
21:41 I laughed so hard! LOL
"I believe I have won this round." Zen, chill 😂
I love that Enrico said 2.5x may be overtuned. Look, just because it’s not literally impossible for Emongg to win doesn’t mean it’s overtuned. Fun vid
If they wanted to win they should have stayed pharah
I get that exact same problem with dust on the sensor of the Logitech Pro Superlight. Really annoying.
this had no right to be this funny 19:16
The Insane Level AI Zenyata be like:
All they needed to be was Rein, Brig, Reaper, McCassidy, and Ana and full send it, they had the idea, but not the execution
this challenge would be a lot easier if emongg wasnt trolling/throwing intentionally so much
My man died at the beggining once and already said overtuned
FINALLY!! BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS
be aware 2.5x stats means zen can kill a tracer with one kick
No, it's a bit more than 140 dmg.
@@danielvarnier2699 oh, i thought it did 50 not 45 mb
@@wipeoutninja if it did 50 it still wouldn't be able to one shot with 2.5x stats
@@defnotnaruto222 ok so i might be stupid i just realised
Do you go against the same bronze everytime or do you pick random people from your discord?
Probably randoms from discord
"lore accurate zenyatta"
Watching 3 bronzes playing characters that require them to outaim a Zen that can 2 shot them is making me lose so many braincells
Also watching a chain feed that lasts for like 5 minutes straight
SkipperNick was losing his mind lol
The tank crying at the start without even trying different strats or setups got me. Also, I notice there is the same guy/guys on the enemy team. Is no one signing up to do this?
i was waiting silently this one 💥
22:50 this is sparta
Zenyatta: "experiment my balls"
you have to figure out how to buff cart speed so you solo push at max speed as if it were 3 of you.
The "Music Used" section of the description is empty. :'(
I’m just wondering how I can add the buff to a hero in my own custom game
this makes me think of one thing
TANK ZEN IS VERY SCARY
Wouldn’t Lucio be the support to pick for them?
8:50 I’m deaf in my right side and forgot that people can hear so I was wondering how you knew cas was there, rip
Crouching on Zen. DOUBLEY silent!
this buffed zen is what bronze's THINK top500 players are like.
The zen 1v1s: "Zen diff"
I cant believe you got jjonak to play zen in this video!!!
you don't need to crouch on zenyatta because he has no footsteps
If they went full dive comp I feel like they can win it so easily
Alternative title:ramattra vs 5 bronze players
i like how they say zen was over tuned when they attack you one at a time.
2.5x buffed Bastion would be interesting to see, lol
this team had no coordination at all 😭 not one time i saw them grouped up. that’s why they were getting ate up one by one every time 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Yup. This is basically how I feel as a Zen main. I'm immortal and can do anything until I can't.
Went from zenyatta to HIMyatta 🤣
Top 10 creatures that could destroy the earth
a buffed 1v5 with my favorite support!
buffed 3x junkrat BRONZE player vs 4 bronze and 1 top500 players next. blessRNG
top 500 not tank!)))
Zen is supposed to be a pacifist, is he not?!
Nope! He actually has a voiceline about this. Soldier: 76 will ask him why he's a pacifist and Zen will reply "What makes you think I'm a pacifist?"
“What’s makes you think I’m a pacifists? Then Perhaps it’s assumptions that are foolish.”
zen is neutral not a pacifist actually, basically he's chill until you make him react
Could you guys do a moon gravity match?
This is how I feel playing zen
I ult boosted my zenyatta friend in 3 different matches. Got him potg in every one
zen was a crazy pick man
what's his cross hair for zen?
This looks so fun
I thought he was meant to be buffed this is normal zenyatta
Now you know what it feels like to be jjonak
discorded tracer would get oneshot in the body
Zen as dps is more fun than his actual role
Zen pretty much is dps you just have to check who needs harmony orb every so often
Zen buffs go crazy
Doomfist would be op in this game mode
I think if they went zarya, mei, bastion, zen, and kiriko they could have killed him a lot more
I think Rein is honestly the best tank here. Shield + Two forms of CC makes him very solid in the Zen match-up. I do like Mei Bastion against Zen and the Rein pick is definitely a compliment to Bastion. For supports, I like Zen here but I think Mercy provides more value than Kiriko.
@@William256 yea but like think the kiriko ult that is why I was thinking kiriko just for the speed in shooting and movement
They should have gone Ramm and Sombra or Doom and Sombra. They would have more easily beat Emongg.
Why didn’t they use dva, genji, or sombra?
Genji is 100% not the pick due to Snap Kick. Sombra's biggest strength would be EMP but Zen kinda doesn't care about hacks.
They threw by swapping off Orisa and staggering in