Mannlicher Schoenauer Steyr Models 1908 1950 1952

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  • @juanpdg9741
    @juanpdg9741 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Terrific collection ! The stutzen rifles (first and last from up to down) are gorgeous. Thanks for showing.

  • @user-yo8ww9rk2p
    @user-yo8ww9rk2p หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! You have a nice collection. I'm a big fan of the full length Mannlicher stock. Such fine workmanship! Keep up the good work!

  • @dirtlump
    @dirtlump 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very fine and capable little carbines afield, I have 3 Full Stock examples 2X 1903's in 6.5X54ms and one 1908 in 8X56ms factory claw mounted 4X dialtyn scope, they are ALL my favorite !

  • @-oiiio-3993
    @-oiiio-3993 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice Mannlichers, cool video. A couple of addendum:
    The Mannlicher Schoenauer M1900 was introduced at the 1900 Paris World's Fair. Oesterreich Waffenfabrik ges, Steyr, with previous Mannlicher designs, had a history of success building high quality military rifles and carbines and several high end gunmakers had based sporting rifles on the '1888 Commission' and M1895 models. M1900s, with their new Schoenauer rotary magazine, were essentially sales samples used in attempts to entice lucrative military contracts though some were purchased and resold by British and other gunmakers. A contract was awarded by Greece, and the 'Greek Mannlicher' Y1903 went into production along with Steyr built M1903 sporting rifles.
    The M1903, as the Y1903 ('Greek') and M1900 before it, were chambered in 6.5X54. The M1903, as with subsequent pre WW2 models, was built by Steyr in half stocked rifle form as well as the full stocked carbine (accurately termed stutzen) and a nifty little takedown version (I have an M1910 takedown) in which the barreled action lifts from the stock as a unit. All but the takedown were available with single or double set triggers. The clip guides (for use of 'stripper clips', as you mentioned) were on all models from M1900 through M1924 (and 'M1925'). They were 'phased out' with the Model of 1950. The 'butt trap' for cleaning rods and two spare rounds also went away after WW2.
    What we Yanks have come to refer to as a 'Mannlicher stock' is known on the European continent as a stutzen and is not (nor ever was) exclusive to Steyr or the MS.
    The early models of MS were each chambered for a corresponding MS proprietary cartridge. All M1903 were originally chambered in 6.5X54, M1905 were 9X56, M1908 - 8X56, M1910 - 9.5X57. The M1924 was built on a longer action to allow for use of the .30 - '06 cartridge and initially marketed to the U.S., where not many sold. What has become known as the 'M1925' (referred to by Stoeger as 'High Velocity') were produced in many calibers which was made possible, in part, by addition of a 'guide ring' in the Schoenauer magazine that was absent on previous models.
    The action of a Mannlicher Schoenauer is remarkably smooth. If you take one of yours in hand, open and pull back the bolt, then angle the muzzle down about 40 degrees or so, the bolt will slide closed and lock completely as if riding on slick ice.

    • @mannequinfukr
      @mannequinfukr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had to test the smoothness portion of this comment with my gewehr 1888 rifle. I learned something new today

  • @OdeeOz
    @OdeeOz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a 1956 in .270 with monte carlo stock and double set triggers Still shoots like a champ

  • @saltfishingwitsand
    @saltfishingwitsand 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 9.5 x 57 mm. Recently fireformed 100 new cases. Loving the rifle....

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Quality Cartridge (Qual-Cart) makes new 9.5X57 brass with the proper headstamp.
      I had previously reconfigured brass for My M1910 Take Down Model by running .35 Whelen through RCBS dies and cutting to proper length.

    • @PowermanZAR
      @PowermanZAR 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also have a 9.5 x 57 aka 375 Nitro,

  • @nericello1618
    @nericello1618 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wonderfull collection i envy you......

  • @PlanetRibooted
    @PlanetRibooted 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome collection! I recently bought a CZ 550 in 30-06 with a mannlicher style stock because I love the look of those rifles so much. Probably from spending my teenage years in Germany.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That full length carbine stock is a stutzen.

  • @-oiiio-3993
    @-oiiio-3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 05:16, "The stock stayed similar throughout the life of the rifles..." Through the M1952, yes, but the buttstocks changed dramatically with introduction of the MC (Monte Carlo) and MCA (Monte Carlo Amerikanisch) stocks shortly thereafter.
    The 1957 Stoeger has an image of the MC cheekpiece (page 13) with caption; The beautiful hand carved "slope - away" cheekpiece, shown here, is now part of the standard stock on the Custom Model 1956 rifle and carbine.
    By 1962 the MC was referred to as Model 1960 and MCA was Model of 1961. If one wanted their MS with a high comb for scope use only, it was ordered as Model 1960 MC. For those who liked the high comb but wanted to still be able to sight through iron, Model 1961 MCA was ordered. The traditional European styled stock of previous years (as your 1950 and 1952 models) could still be ordered by specifying Model GK. The GK meant 'Gerader Kolben' or 'straight butt'.
    Also, the trap door buttplate (with storage for cleaning rods and two 'oh shit' rounds) went beyond M1908. They were used on all of the 'pre - WW2' and Anschluss (Nazi occupation of Austria) made MS.

    • @josefp1036
      @josefp1036 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      GK bedeutend Gekrümter Kammerstängel

  • @user-yo8ww9rk2p
    @user-yo8ww9rk2p 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. I have a 1962 carbine in 30-06. I would like to buy a .270. Do you have a favorite between the carbine and half stock rifles?

  • @davsmith7334
    @davsmith7334 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I picked up several guns from the widow of a gunsmith. One of the guns is a Steyr Mannlicher. I don't know much about it but your videos are helping. I need to figure out the caliber of this rifle.

  • @BangBangBo
    @BangBangBo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was a good video, but for me I was looking for WHY there are 2 triggers on a single-barrel bolt action. From what I found, it appears it was for, "setting" the actual firing trigger to be a far less trigger pull weight, sort of like a single action shot on a revolver. Correct me if I am wrong, but hopefully that helps someone else too. Maybe I can get lucky and find these at an ignorant gun shop one day...

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, they are double set triggers which were optional on most MS offerings. The rear trigger is a 'set' trigger, the front is the release. They can be fired by pulling the front trigger alone or by setting it with the rear which leaves the front as a 'hair trigger' which can be adjusted by means of a screw from a few pounds to mere ounces of pull. www.hallowellco.com/double_set_triggers.htm

  • @josefp1036
    @josefp1036 ปีที่แล้ว

    The rear amunition box was for the cleaning tools like brushes,pats and the sticks for holding them.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually one of the three 'holes' is used for a set of cleaning rods, two for spare cartridges.
      The cleaning rods were a set of four or five (both types were made) which threaded together to make one.

  • @99somerville
    @99somerville 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice collection. The carbines are classic with that full length stock.

    • @Snowball042
      @Snowball042  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      somerville99 : Thanks. I like the looks too. Classic Mannlicher.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stutzen.

  • @josefp1036
    @josefp1036 ปีที่แล้ว

    The second Trigger is called german trigger and the single trigger is named return Trigger or french Trigger Greetings from Austria the home of Mannlich-Schönauer.

  • @rainbow2710
    @rainbow2710 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice collection of fine guns, Sir!

  • @asagrimmr1459
    @asagrimmr1459 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. I am looking to buy one and your information is very useful.

  • @davidwagner4671
    @davidwagner4671 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video I had 2 in my lifetime.

  • @kurt5723
    @kurt5723 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a Pachmayr scope mount and am having a difficult time getting the scope to hold a zero. Is that common with the Pachmayr? Also is the mount suppose to lock when you tighten the knurled nut....mine gets tighter, but does not get real tight?Thanks.

    • @richardsabo7917
      @richardsabo7917 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kurt Schonauer i have the same problem

  • @mschultea4933
    @mschultea4933 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Having difficulty figuring out what I have. Would like to send photos for your consideration

  • @brianonthego
    @brianonthego 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    They are in great shape.

    • @Snowball042
      @Snowball042  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glocked 17 : Thanks.

  • @johnhutcheson8869
    @johnhutcheson8869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have an MCA Q. Is there a video for disassembly/assembly of the bolt??

  • @kathireshgun9087
    @kathireshgun9087 ปีที่แล้ว

  • @willf5768
    @willf5768 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and very nice collection. So when are you going to tackle the Paul jaeger mount. And will you do a video on the project with the disassembly install and reassembly of the rifle.

  • @chrisearls1380
    @chrisearls1380 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you ever seen a 1952, 30-06, with Leupold scope, single trigger, slanted bolt handle with out the dual safety that also has a monte carlo stock with metal shoulder butt?

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds restocked or modified. Steel butt plates went away with introduction of the M1950.
      Pre WW2 MS had a serrated steel buttplate with trap door access to cleaning rod and spare cartridge storage compartments, no Monte Carlo stock.
      M1952 was referred to also as GK. After the Monte Carlo (Model MC) stock was introduced as M1956, buyers who wanted the straight stock were advised by Stoeger to "be sure to specify Model 1952-GK on your order."
      An originally configured MS with Monte Carlo Stock should not be stamped Mod.1952, though it seems the only 'hard fast rule' regarding Mannlicher Schoenauers may be that there are few, if any, hard fast rules about der Mannlicher Schoenauer.

  • @ralphwatten2426
    @ralphwatten2426 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful rifles. When I was in High School I used to draw the Mannlicher full stock rifle by memory. They're still well out of my range but I still admire them. P.S. Snowball if you're still there. Are the rifles safe with the safety straight up like the Mauser?

  • @sudhirbellunke-sf1ku
    @sudhirbellunke-sf1ku 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The shape of bolt handle
    Are they called butter knife handle shape?

  • @maxmanta3758
    @maxmanta3758 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm looking at a Steyr 1950 in a local store, but I think the stock was shortened. Can you tell me what the pull length is supposed to be?

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      My M1910 Takedown has an LOP of about 14.5".

  • @martinstiastny7679
    @martinstiastny7679 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really was expecting you to have a 6.5 x 54.
    An older gent I knew hunted with one. He had lots of rifles, but always grabbed his little Mannlicher.

    • @Snowball042
      @Snowball042  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s a 1903 model. The same rifle as the 1908 except for chambering. The 1903 is on my short list of rifles I still have an eye out for buying.

  • @ArchitecturalOrphans
    @ArchitecturalOrphans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a carbine , based on what I see here it’s 1908 , however I don’t know the caliber, I’m thinking it’s perhaps 9x56 it seems bigger that 8mm, any help would be appreciated

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      All M1908 Mannlicher Schoenauers were originally chambered for the 8X56MS.
      The first four models of MS were cartridge specific, all chambered for the MS proprietary cartridge for which they were designed. M1903 - 6.5X54, M1905 - 9X56, M1908 - 8X56, M1910 - 9.5X57.
      Does it have 'M1908' roll stamped on the front receiver? See this 'site for more info: forums.nitroexpress.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=mannlicher

    • @ArchitecturalOrphans
      @ArchitecturalOrphans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Brian Rothhammer all is says is “patent mannlicher” there is a sight below that that may have been added where the model number would be.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@ArchitecturalOrphans Unfortunately that is often the case.
      If it was made prior to the 1938 Anschluss (Nazification of Austria) it will have Austrian proof marks. You will have to disassemble your rifle to find them - be sure to use properly fitting (thin) drivers. If yours is a stutzen (full stocked carbine), disassembly instructions can be found here (scroll to bottom): www.mannlicher.org/aboutmannlichers/mannlichercharacteristics
      You will find a number in the format xxxxx.xx. The last two digits will be the year that it was proofed. Look also for a number preceded by the letter C. That will indicate the caliber of cartridge for which it was proofed. An M1903 will be C 6.5, M1905 - C 9, M1908 - C8, M1910 - C9,5 .
      If yours was sold through the 'British trade' it will have British proofs that will be seen without disassembly (above the wood). My M1910 is marked .375 EX 270 Cordite 43 MAX, which indicates a proof for 9.5X57 (.375 Nitro Express Rimless to the Brits) with a 270 grain projectile to be loaded at 43 grains Cordite propellant or less.
      View this link: www.africahunting.com/threads/mannlicher-sch%C3%B6nauer-prewar-m1900-m1903-m1905-m1908-m1910-m1924-m1925-or-high-velocity.47277/ The last post on that thread has a photo and explanation of the Austrian proofs.
      Also view this one: www.africahunting.com/threads/1903-mannlicher-schoenauer-6-5x54-questions.44736/
      Enjoy!

    • @ArchitecturalOrphans
      @ArchitecturalOrphans 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brian Rothhammer hey! Took me a long time to get around to it, but I finally took mine apart,
      It has the V over cursive E proof marks, also it’s a C 9.0 marking, so it must me an m1905
      The numbers on the are 1892.06
      As far as I can tell from what you’ve mentioned as well as the forums here, it was proofed in 1906, right?
      It also have the number 096 on several places including above the wood, on the wood itself underneath and on the receiver under the wood. Not sure what that number means.
      The receiver also has a proof mark of NPV
      Where as the barrel have the V over cursive E proof
      Thanks for all your help man, this has been exciting.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArchitecturalOrphans You are correct regarding proof date and the C 9.0 indicating 9mm (M1905). That would be the 1892nd firearm proofed at Vienna during 1906 and is rather early as production of Mannlicher Schoenauer sporting rifles did not commence in earnest until 1905.
      The '096' would be a Steyr serial number and is extraordinarily low (jackpot)!
      Here are a few tons more info: www.africahunting.com/threads/mannlicher-sch%C3%B6nauer-prewar-m1900-m1903-m1905-m1908-m1910-m1924-m1925-or-high-velocity.47277/

  • @billeudy8481
    @billeudy8481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was wondering if you have any of the newer Steyr Mannlicher M72 models. Some say they are not real Mannlicher Shonäuers and the actions are clearly different but they are made in Austria with the distinctive full length carbine stock and the barrels are clearly engraved with the M/S name. What do you think of them?

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The full stocked carbine (stutzen) was never an exclusive MS feature.
      Not all stutzen were Mannlicher Schoenauers, and not all MS were stutzen.
      The 1939 Stoeger catalog features a Mauser full stocked carbine (#615), available with double set triggers and trap door buttplate.
      My M1910 Mannlicher Schoenauer Take Down Model is a half stocked rifle with 60cm barrel.

    • @josefp1036
      @josefp1036 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@-oiiio-3993 Schönauer was the Konstrukteur of the Magazin

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@josefp1036 Ja.

  • @billeudy8481
    @billeudy8481 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My dad left me a newer Steyr Mannlicher Schönauer M72 Carbine with a full-length stock, double set triggers and an 8 x 12 Leupold variable scope in caliber .243 Winchester. I also have an earlier model Steyr Mannlicher full-stock carbine in .22 LR with a 5 round detachable magazine and a 4 x 8 vari - x Bushnell scope. Please PM me if you can assist me in establishing the value of these carbines for insurance purposes.

  • @savageZA76
    @savageZA76 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video.

  • @Cravin009
    @Cravin009 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a chance to buy a very nice 1952 Mannlicher Schoenauer in 270 with no modifications shot very little if at all. I would want to put a scope on the rifle and use it for hunting. My questions are how can I determine what a fair price would be, how much would it cost to have a nice scope base installed on the rifle and how well do they typically shoot in terms of group size? Thank you.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check auction 'sites for prices realized on rifles of similar model and condition. A decent, unaltered, MS should fetch north of $1,000 USD.
      Scope mounting is notoriously difficult on earlier MS (as discussed in the video), and expensive on all. Even though mounting is rather straightforward on an M1952 with its built in 'delete' sideplate, the mounts themselves can be very pricey. The side mounts are a bit cumbersome, other mounts are available but require expert gunsmithing to install. Ebay is a frequent source for them and reference for price: www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=mannlicher+schoenauer+scope+mount&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=mannlicher+schoenauer
      All Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and carbines have a well deserved reputation for accuracy.
      For more information, view these links: www.africahunting.com/threads/mannlicher-sch%C3%B6nauer-prewar-m1900-m1903-m1905-m1908-m1910-m1924-m1925-or-high-velocity.47277/
      forums.nitroexpress.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=mannlicher

  • @richardsabo7917
    @richardsabo7917 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Mannlicher Schoenauer 1950 in .30-06 that needs a new firing pin. I cannot find any new firing pin at all. Is there any firing pin I could use for this rifle that isn't specific to the Mod 1950?

    • @Snowball042
      @Snowball042  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check out NitroExpress forum for possibilities. Years ago I picked up some spare parts from a military Mannlicher Shooters from a place called Springfield Sporters. Not sure of the compatibility between models though.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ebay.

  • @elijahwhitfield6851
    @elijahwhitfield6851 ปีที่แล้ว

    My great grandfather brought one of these rifles home from WW2. I would love to shoot it but I can find any ammo since it’s an 8x60 magnum. Does anyone have any suggestions.

    • @-oiiio-3993
      @-oiiio-3993 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Handload.

  • @myburghpieterdewaal6418
    @myburghpieterdewaal6418 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can anyone help...?
    Im looking for a trigger for my mannlicher also the extractor is not working that good anymore.
    I live in Namibia so parts on mannlichers are hard to come by

    • @Snowball042
      @Snowball042  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Myburgh Pieter de Waal : Try this forum. There may be someone here who could help. forums.nitroexpress.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=mannlicher

    • @ArchitecturalOrphans
      @ArchitecturalOrphans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are a surprising amount of parts on eBay, keep your eyes open

  • @chrisnewport7826
    @chrisnewport7826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Grew up on them.