S&W M&P 2.0 Compact vs M&P 9c
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- I think the new M&P 2.0 Compact is a better solution for carry than the 9c. The size difference between the two in minimal. This new mid-size frame allows better control, enhanced sight radius and easier manipulation. I feel the new M&P 2.0 compact, is just as concealed as the M&P 9c!
I guess I’m one of those “misguided” people. Size of a CCW absolutely does matter and I believe many will find the 2.0 simply too large. Was for me which is why I bought the M&P9C.
The 2.0 does seem a lot larger. Virtually no difference between 4.0 and full-size. The 9C"1.0" can be setup like a double-stack Shield.
I conceal carry the 2.0 3.6, fits perfect for me. 9c was too small, not that much of size difference you have to worry about
@@Alexxx7137 the subcompact and 3.6 are basically the same. The only thing is that the 3.6 handle is fixed and only get bigger while the subcompact can be easily concealed and yet still use a 15 or 17 round mag with the extension sleeves.
not that i disagree at all with your assessment,but instead of just shooting them,you should have shown how well they conceal
Great feedback. Thank you.
Tyrone Power see you being a bigger guy is totally different for me being 5’6” at 165lbs. I can carry a 4 inch gun but I carry at 4:00 which can bump the tip of the barrel when I sit and it’s a little harder to hide the butt of the grip. That’s why the 9c was perfect for smaller people. Still a decent capacity with a little bigger barrel compared to 3inch guns but still easy to carry.
So please help me, what size barrell is 2.0 9c versus 2.0 9mm compact?
There is the 1.0 9C with 3.5" barrel and 3 .6 and 4.0 versions of 2.0 Compact. S&W SHOULD make 2.0 3.5" with mag sleeves for full-size and 2 .0 15 rd. mags. Maybe include one may of each.
M&P 9c with XS Big Dot Sights.
That slightly shorter grip makes a big difference when carrying.
A little is a lot.
Thanks for your perspective. I have carried a full size M&P, the Shield and M&P 9c. Also carried a G19 for many years. I feel the M&P 2.0 compact is no less concealable than the 9c for me. Bottom line, whatever works! Thanks for commenting and watching, all the best... happy holidays and stay safe.
Yeah, individual perspective.
A lot of people love Glocks. I can't stand the things. LOL
Especially ankle carry as I practice and love in hot summer and formal dress. Have both, and prefer the original 9c in summer when ankle carry is my preference. That is one great little 12 round package in a Bianchi Negotiator Ankle holster. Love my 9 and 40 compact M2.0 as well, for other situations. Typically IWB 4 o'clock fall winter spring [hoodie/coat and heavier clothing weather]. On a rare occasion, deep concealed in a 3-Speed holster. Make your own music with your own instruments. Be safe and well.
@Bungalo Bill: Yeah I agree. Glocks are overrated. I’m sticking with M&P. Currently trying to sell my Glock 19.
Thanks, I think smaller is better for CCW and will stick with my 9c and 40c. The guns are just as good as the 2.0 versions.
I will stick with my 9c
It's smaller
And with a Hyve extension you could make it like 2.0. I find the stock grip too small. Even with a grip extender for pinky I don't like the way it presses into butts of my hand.
I got both then the shield the full size and the 22.
Nice video, and I think even with your misspeaking about which gun is harder to conceal, we got what you meant. I recently purchased one of the first M&P 2.0 compacts available here in Reno, Nevada. I'm relatively new to firearms. I bought my first gun, a Walther Creed, about 2 years ago. I love that gun, and shoot it well with either hand. It is a bit too big to conceal, in my view. I also bought a Taurus PT111 G2 Millennium, and after some issues that necessitated my returning it to them, it's now back and running great.
This brings me to the M&P 2.0. I rented a Shield single stack once at a local range, I liked it, and shot it well. The new 2.0 Compact sits in a place right in between those other guns I own. The barrel length is almost the same as The Walther. It is noticeably smaller in some dimensions. The Taurus is like a G26, but with a longer grip that you can actually get a large hand like mine on, and it feels great. After my first, disappointing outing with the 2.0 Compact, I went home and rethought what I was doing. I had installed the largest backstrap, and that hurt my ability to shoot it well. I'd suggest to anyone who has one, to experiment with the provided backstraps, and compare your targets. Yesterday, I installed the medium large, and it felt better, and I shot it much better, too. My friend who owns Glocks, really liked my new Smith. I think I made a great choice.
You said people think mistakenly that because the 9C is smaller than the 2.0 compact, they can't conceal it. How could a smaller gun be less concealable?
I mis spoke. What I meant to say is some people feel the new 2.0 "compact" (actually it's a mid sized pistol), is too big to conceal and that the 9c (original S&W compact) is much easier. I disagree, I think the new 2.0 is the perfect pistol for EDC!
I agree that for a majority of adult males it would be no problem, and with its upgrades a joy. But NOT for everyone. That said, it would be harder for me to carry concealed but maybe doable and worth it (with some training). However, it would be a bigger challenge.
I like the Shield better than the 9c or the compact 2.0 . I'm probably in the minority but the
thin grip in the single stack shield fits my hand perfectly. I own all 3 and prefer the shield.
I'm the opposite - I have large hands and the Shield is horrific. Top heavy, too difficult to get a front finger trigger placement, poor grip texture combined with an elliptical grip means I have to reset my hand every other shot in summer. Much prefer the 9C. The optimal size for me is the PT111 G2, which is half way between a Shield and 9C, but unfortunately Smith doesn't make something like that.
I’ve never shot the shield well. It always shot left for me. I shot the full size and compact m&p better. Same exact trigger but the shield is just too thin of a gun
I've had a noticeable increase in armed robberies in my area and I carried and still own the shield but the capacity is an issue for me. Just got a 40c for some more ability and capacity.
Yes, the Shield just doesn't fit well in web of hand and awkward with the longer front to back grip length. The Hogue slip on helps a lot.
Love the Shield, but agree. For me if it was just a little thicker left to right and a little thinner front to back, or if I could get on the trigger at the right angle it would be perfect. The older Shield's trigger is now quite smooth, but if it was a little lighter it would be easier to shoot.
I own and carry both of these guns as my off duty carry. The compact is a better fighting gun vs the 9c, but as minuscule the size difference is, it’s the better CCW gun. The small difference does make a difference. The compact creeps into duty gun capability and does so very well. I can still knock out 10/10 torso shots at 25 yards, with the 9c, which is more than capable. The compact can do the same AND do head shots all day long at that distance. For the civilian CCW permit holder, I’d recommend the 9c over the Compact because it’s more likely that they will actually carry it.
Thanks for your input. I like both guns but the compact just works better for me. BTW, Thanks for your service. I have great respect for those of you who are "on the job" and serve the community.
I'll take my 9C all day. Can run a 17 round mag all day and that's actually how I carry it, Shorter barrel length helps with appendix carry and that's a huge thing for me. The fact that I can carry a 10,12,15 or 17 rnd mag in the 9C just doesn't warrant buying the 2.0. If it ain't broke don't fix it :)
Hey how do you do a 15 or 17 rd mag? Are those just mags fo the full sized m&p 9mm? How do they sit with the short grip on the 9c? Please let me know.
Thanks
@@xk1119 yes on the mags and X-Grip makes an extension to fill the gap between the grip and longer mags
As an m&p9c and full size owner, I’ve never felt that the 9c was too small to shoot. It’s a smaller gun that shoots like a full size.
Thanks for commenting
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Thank you!
I have the 9c and looked at the Conpact. If you’re carrying IWB, the extra butt makes a definite difference in printing. I have an SR9, which has a thinner profile than the Compact and it is hard to conceal for me and I’m 6’1”. The SR9 came with a better trigger than the M&P out of the box, so I threw an Apex Duty Trigger kit into it and that made all the difference shootability wise. The tactille reset in particular. That and swapping the palm swell from medium to large really made the difference. The gun stay planted in my hand and the trigger pull is much crisper and lighter. The full sized SR9 shoots a tad softer, but it is barely noticeable and for me, the accuracy is pretty much the same at real combat distances for a pistol. (10 yards). Just my opinion but the 9c is the sweet spot for concealability and purchase. My hands are big for the Shield. The 9c is definitely more stable for me.
I have the 2.0 compact and really like it. I'm 165 lbs 6.0ft tall. I carry it concealed fairly easily at the 4 o'clock position, appendix is ok. I have not owned or shot the m&p9c so I can't compare. I did have the shield and it was a great gun, but was to small for me to accurately shoot. I think the 2.0 compact is the perfect sizes gun.
Agree!
Weasel 84x When you carry appendix style, does the textured grip grab onto clothing ? Is it also uncomfortable when it comes into contact with with your skin? Some have said the texture is too aggressive while others say it’s not. I carry appendix and wanted to get your input. Thanks.
Weasel 84x I’m about 165 and carry the 9c at 4 o clock but I’m shorter at 5’6”. My issue is I can carry a G23 which is a 4” barrel but the tip might bump when I sit and the grip is a little harder to hide. I’m thinking the 2.0 is about the same size. So for me I prefer the 9c with the 3.5” barrel and shorter grip.
..whem perfromance isn't swayed too much, i'd opt for the one that imprints less. i am shopping around for a 9c, atm.
Either one can have a place. Some may find the 3.6" barrel easier to conceal than the 4 .0 2.0 Compact. The 9C is even more concealiable and more versatile as it can use 9C, 2.0, and full-size mags and has a 3.5" barrel. And it can be made more grippy with grip tape, and it isn't as trippy for those that don't want it. Some may find the new 2.0 too aggressive, but I really like it. The 9C trigger is not as good, but can be upgraded with Apex to a pretty decent trigger. I wonder if 2.0 trigger parts could improve it as stock 2.0 trigger is awesome. The 9C with standard magazines is awkward and a little unbalanced. BUT would be 3.5" awesomeness with 2 .0 compact mags and X-grips if X=- grip sleeve if X-trip would make them. I have tried it with modified full -size X-grip and 2.0 compact mag and like it a lot. S&W needs to release a 9C version of the 2.0 with mat extension base plates that blend in better than say the colorful blingy distasteful Hyve ones or provide X-grips. That 9C setup would make one nice carry gun as it would be like a double stack Shield. They could keep the 3.6" barrel and design it to accept ALL double-click maga. There really is a place in the M&P lineup for 3.5, 3.6 and 4.0 barrel lengths, though. I love the 4.0 version but the 9C or 3.6 would be better for me to carry with my body type. I actually find less of a need for the standard full -size now that the 4.0 is released, instead of phasing out the 9C get rid of the full size but leave the font-size full size. full
What I really want is a 2.0 9C that can use 2.0 Compact mags' 9C mags,and full-size. Choices are always good... Toss in a long-slide Shield, too. Wait, one was just released!
As a side note from, it appears that the only difference between 10 rd. 9C and 10 rd. 2.0 Compact mags is the "extended base plate. If S&W really valued their fans they would provide a way for their customers to use the 2.0 C mags with the 9C by providing a sleeve or molded base plate and 2 .0 palm swells for the 9C. I really don't think them supporting the 9C would hurt 2.0 Compact sales. I want all three Compact sizes, anyway.
Great summary of the M&P line up. I've put tens of thousands of rounds through my M&Ps with no issues. I like the M&P 2.0 version. Depending on the weather I'd like the M&P 2.0 compact or the extremely concealable shield.
That difference in frame length is NOT minimal - it’s substantial.😳. In hot humid tropical weather where concealment is paramount and clothing is light, smaller is better... especially if you carry appendix.
Good perspective. Think it also depends on the individuals frame in regards into the way the guns fits
I note that you had the Apex trigger on your SW M&P 9MM 2.0. I have an M&P 9c with the Apex trigger set and an X-Grip which allows use of a Glock 17 full size 17 round mag. Not only do I get a big boost in capacity, it fills my hand and changes the entire personality of the gun. Great video... keep it up! DEFCON1 Palm Coast, FL
Good point.
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I have the M2.0 and the 9c both have the same size frame with the M2.0 being longer. I use the same holster for both and I can use the M2.0 17 round magazines in the 9c. The 9c is more comfortable sitting in a car. I carry in an Allen Swipe holster outside the belt. I use a shoulder strap to transfer the weight of the pistol onto my shoulders. (up and in front of my right shoulder and down and in back of my left shoulder) I don't carry my M2.0 very often because my 9c easily uses the 17 round magazines.
I’ve carried the full size 1.0 M&P, the 1.0 m&p 9c and the Glock 19 with no problem in concealing! Right now carrying the g19 and so comfortable with the holster I have and I wear shorts when I’m not at work and shorts has never sagged! In the next few days I’m going to get the M&P 2.0 full size because there’s no 2.0 in my area yet!
I wish pearce grip would've made the pinky extension for the 9c. Great gun. I haven't had the pleasure of shooting the 9 compact yet.
Yes, that would be a solid addition. The MNP compact really is an outstanding pistol. I prefer it over the 9C.
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Love conceal carrying my 2.0 3.6, IMO from experience, I’d pick it over the 9c.
Good choice.
Thank you for making this video. Great comparison b/t the pistols.
I own and carry both. The 9c is my carry gun when I’m on my motorcycle, going to the gym, or to and from the store. It’s pretty much my go to gun when I’m by myself. I carry a 17 round mag as a spare.
I carry my 2.0 when commuting to and from work. I also carry it when I’m off duty with my family or if I go to an area like San Francisco or Oakland. Again, a 17 round mag is my spare.
My criteria for any gun I carry is can it make 8/10 head shots at 25 yards wile standing unsupported. I can do 9/10 with both guns, so either works for me. The smallest gun I carry that can do this is my Sig P938. I carry two extra 7 round mags when I carry that one.
It all comes down to what your mission is. I’m a LEO, so my requirements and mission may be different from yours. As a civilian CCW, both are great.
Overwatch I got the 9c as my off duty gun also with the 17 rounder as a back up no reason to replace it for me.
hell.....i got both and the full size 9....i think everyone should
I agree. Wish my full-size was 2.0 Compact length so I could standardize on 2.0 Compact mags.
Excellent points, excellently presented. This would also be true of ANY handgun, wouldn't it? My wife is an excellent shot with her Walther PK 380, but had to get rid of her Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380 because she couldn't hit the proverbial broadside of a barn with it. I prefer a revolver, and I'm reasonably proficient with my Smith and Wesson 442, but I'm much better with my Rock Island Armory M 206, simply because it has a bit more real estate to hold onto. I use the classic wood grips on both. Both are doa snub nose revolvers. The difference in barrel length is negligible (1& 7/8" vs 2"), and the M 206 weighs 10 & 1/2 ounces more (loaded). Everything is a trade-off. The 442 is a bit easier to carry and conceal, and the M 206 is a bit easier to shoot well.
Love my 2.0 Compact. I've been carrying it since a bought it. It's a great shooter. I carried a Glock for 18yrs (19/23). I love my Glocks and won't ever get rid of them. This is the first gun that's got my interest in years. I wish Smith would have started the M&P line with 4" 15rd gun!!!
Agree 100%
Ditto
THANK YOU,, MAYBE MORE COMPARISONS ON THE 9C ?
I agree with you that for many people there really isn't a big difference between the two in terms of size and the 9C really isn't that much of a big difference for concealment. However, there are a few people that would have trouble. The 2.0 comes with either a 4.0" or 3.6" barrel, and the 9C has a 3.5" barrel. For many it would be easier to manipulate the larger slide, but there is a trade off. If you are carrying Appendix then the shorter (and the shortest) barrel might be easier to make work, especially for those with a certain physical characteristics. A large/long person might not have that much trouble, while a shorter person might. Carrying in the 4 o'clock position might not be a problem with the barrel length. However, carrying the firearm might be easier, in particular, if the grip is shortened. And the 9C offers that, but at a compromise. The 2.0 Compacts are much easier to get a grip on and control for most people and most people will feel the balance much better on them. Again, the 9C has versatility because it can be adjusted with various aftermarket things, etc.. but they come at a compromise as well, especially in loading and unloading the magazines. SO.... For a large individual the 4.0 Compact might be the best of all. But for someone that wants the most versatility, or would have the most difficulty concealling the 9C might be the best. However, for me the 9C just does not work with the standard grip. I don't like the dangling pinky, and even with most aftermarket pinky grip extenders I am not that happy as the back of the grip really digs into and bothers the butt of my hand grip below my thumb. The compromise for me, though pricey and with its trade offs (silly color and too smooth) is the Hyve +3 grip extension. It gives the magazine increase but it also is slightly shorter in the rear than the standard 2.0 grip length (which is where you need it for concealment) and it also allows for the best balance, etc. and makes the "1.0" 9C handling THAT much better. A more affordable compromise without as much versatility might be the Compact 3.6. The 9C with the Hyve is marginally better in this department but has the slight awkwardness of the 3.6. Yes, the 3.6 is the best of both worlds. That said, grip extensions provided like those for the 2.0 to use full size magazines provided with either a 3.5" (older style) or prospective 3.6" "9C" 2.0 Compact that could use either the 15-round 2.0 magazines, 17-round full size, magazines, or the stock 12 round 9C magazines with or without pinky base plates would be a very nice alternative and one I can get behind. But with what exists, I would get the 3.6" 2.0 Compact as the best of all worlds. And, I love the 4.0 Compact as that is a perfect gun for me, but for my purposes it could actually replace the 4.25" version full-size one, as I don't think it offers that much up over the 4.0 unless one has really large mitts (although that extra bit of sight radius and acceleration in the larger barrel and potential for easier manipulation) in terms of my purposes. For you, the 4.25" might be a little too big to conceal than the 4.0, and to others and vice-a-versa. So, with those thoughts one could reconsider your claims in the video. Instead, give the consumer choices...
Yes, Smith should offer choices! Long slide version, 4.25" Full Size, 2.0 Compact 4.0, 2.0 Compact 3.6, and yes, either an upgraded 3.5 or 3.6" 9C "1.0". That way there would be a system in place for everyone. The 4" 2.0 Shield is also awesome and would be my choice over the standard Shield (unless I was going to carry appendix) as the slide manipulation, etc. wold be better on the longer slide Shield (and in terms of the Shield I wish there were backstraps, as with my smaller hands the narrow but longer front to back grip on the Shield is less than ideal, but that is another video).
Yours and my mileage might vary, but as for me, I would probably want a 3.6" 9C upgraded to 2.0 if that animal existed and would deal with the slide length, but would be more than happy with the slightly larger 4.0 Compact, but would settle on the existing 3.6" 2.0 Compact. And as of now, for me that slide manipulation compromise can be made for the venerable 9C with some grip and grippiness added and with the Hyve adapter and an Apex kit (with or without the trigger). THAT is the best for ME. And for those of you in an unconstitutional slave state (like me) the 2.0 Compact Mag Blocks (going from 15 to 10) work perfectly with the 12 round 9C magazine (not the 10 rounders) and the Hyve to give you 10 rounds. I am not a pleader for Hyve and wish they made extenders that were not so blingy and blended in more with the gun, and I wish they included some kind of texturing on the extensions, but, that is what I would choose. Would be nice if X-grip or some other stepped up to the plate and gave us some sleeves so that the 15-round mags could work with the older 9C. Too bad smith couldn't design a pistol in the future that gave you the various grip lengths so you wouldn't need to use aftermarket devices and all you would have to do is consider slide length, or make package similar to the Glock 43X and 48, and allow someone to purchase for an additional fee various slide lengths with the gun.
I love the M&P platform. Newer triggers not perfect but better... Smith a deal with Apex so that they are still needed? In many ways, although the M&Ps are not Blocks (Glocks), they still are a bit Chunky on top, and being a little heavier and not as "thin" as the venerable 19. Still the trade offs are better and Smith has the better product.
Agree that the M&P is a great platform. The 9c never worked for me. But many like it. Thanks for commenting and watching.
There is a X-grip sleeve available now to utilize the new 2.0 magazines in the 9C.
I have carried both. I found getting a solid grip is more difficult with the 9C when using the 12 round mag (the flushed base mag is the worst albeit the most concealable). Recently I found a mag sleeve from Xgrip that allows me to use the 2.0 compact 15 round mag in a 9C. This affords a much better grip with the 9C. It feels just like holding a 2.0 compact but with shorter slide and barrel. Because of this the 9C is now back as my primary carry choice.
Yes the X Grip can help. I'm getting new 2.0 9c this week and am looking forward to doing a review. I'll also review and compare the 3.6" 2 Compact to the 2.0 9C.
Compact size handguns have always been my preferred carry. I sometimes carry full size but rarely ever carry sub compacts. That just me
Thanks for making my shooter tinnitus act up
Sorry about that!
I run my 9c with hyve +3 mag extensions and I absolutely love to shoot and carry it:)
Good deal. I say use what works and use what you practice with!
Think I'd like the 15rnd,even with pinky extension I'd still like more with the 12rnd,or could always get a 17rnd
Have them both, and enjoy them both. They each have their uses in my life...….great guns.
Agree 100%. Thanks for commenting.
Did I count two misses with the 2.0 pistol, or were they silent hits?
That's for the review. With the 9c you can add a 15 or 17 round mag. So IMO, it's the better buy.
Thanks for watching and commenting... as far as a "better buy", it depends on what you're looking for. I prefer the full size or compacts over the sub-compacts. I have no problem concealing them and find them easier to shoot faster and more accurately. That being said, I also have the sub-compact M&P and enjoy it very much. Having the ability to run the 15 and 17 round mags in the sub-compact is a great feature of that pistol.
I like my 9c slide size but hate the grip size. So I fitted the mags with Hyve extensions, and that I can live with, however magazine ejection is kind of a pita since my hand is touching the magazine. In the end I tend to carry my full size M&P 9 or my G19 more than I do the 9c, I will probably end up selling it.
I'd love to see a video on the apex trigger you installed.
Paul had it installed. Its the forward set Apex trigger. Frankly I didn't care for it. The new M&P 2.0 triggers are good out of the box and I preferred that to this Apex. That being said, triggers are subjective. I say use whatever works!
The new Compact is nice, but I am a big guy and the 2.0 Full Size actually hits the sweet spot for me for carry. I can conceal it well enough, even in just a t-shirt. The M&P9c is a nice size for more concealment, but I would be running a full size slide on it.
I have the M 2.0, the 9c, shield 380 EZ and a Bodyguard. My favorite one to carry is the EZ, next is the 9c with 17 round magazines.
All good choices!
I can’t wait for someone to come out with a mag sleeve for the 15 round mag to sit well in the older 9c.
champer slimmerthannone I saw another video (can’t remember who) and the adapter is a little too short
dustinmcd91 x-grips.com/sw/
Hyve Technologies just came out with a +3 mag extension for the 9c and 40c. Been on the fence on getting the 2.0 when instead I can get mag extensions.
champer slimmerthannone That one will be too long since it’s made for the 17 rd mag instead of the shorter 15rd mag
I actually think there is one by X grips
We need a comparison with the 9C and the new 3.6” 2.0. I own the 9C; but I’ve thought about getting the 2.0 version if the added stiffness and better trigger make it a lot better!
It does 3/6 is better nd is less awkward and would work better for many. Buying new I would get the 3.6 esp. if I had no problem concealing. With a Hyve +3 extender, APEX trigger/sear, and grip tape you could have something similar but more versatile with slightly smaller barrel and potential to use smaller mags.
The 2.0 version of the 9C is available for purchase. It’s a great gun!
I absolutely love my 2.0 compact. I’ve done five upgrades. I did an apex trigger, Apex trap in Metairie barrel, custom mill slide with a nickel coating on the inside to make it smoother Space I also did really nice iron sites as well as an 80 point RDS a carbon fiber guide rod pretty much everything to possibly do it so between the gun and every single possible (you can do with it and that includes by already has my sure fire X300 with laser light and my 5.5 inch mini suppressor came out to about two grand but it’s an absolute showstopper space I really used to be a I really used to be a black person and I don’t like it least 10 of them in my lifetime but is soon as I switched over to the 17th time it is just so much better like holy shit
And to be honest I’ve owned about 25 Glock’s. There are much more accurate. They are much better build quality. As a much more accurate barrel and sites. My current one is decked out with every single upgrade on the planet but my girlfriend is buying one next week and I told her the only things that you need are the apex trigger really nice iron sites. And micro RDS, Then after that she needs to get the Apex dropping barrel and then send her slide off to get custom milling and get a couple of windows cut out to reduce recoil and also to make it look pretty but most of all let them know that you want the inside of the slide to be anickel colored finish. My MNP 92.0 compact has every single upgrade that you could possibly find and it shoots just as good as my $6000 nighthawk custom
Thanks for saying it's like a Glock 26. That killed it for me.
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X-grip has a sleeve available to utilize 2.0 Compact mags!
I'm looking for something to have in the front pocket of my bibs while I'm at work. I work for a short line railroad and we go pretty far out in the sticks and wild hogs are a MAJOR problem.
Sir, thank you for watching. I think the 9C would be a good option. If you’re putting in a pocket I highly recommend a pocket holster to make sure that the trigger is covered. I also don’t know about the size of the pockets which would be another factor in determining your options.
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I shot the compact 2.0 and its great ! really fun to shoot ! I am going to buy one soon . Thank you . Ky
Ky Anderson I bought mine last week. You won't be sorry, it's outstanding!
Ky Anderson love mine. Its the ideal edc in my opinion.
This is the just the comparison I was looking for. I am going to stick with my 9c. Good review.
Pick up a Hyve +3 extender, and give the 2.0 grip length a try. Also, write X-grip to get them to make 2.0 sleeves to use the 2.0 Compact mags in the older 9C.
Agreed if I lived in a free state, however I reside in Massachusetts and can only carry 10 round magazines. So for the size of gun vs 10 rounds maximum capacity, the 9c makes more sense to me.
The Hyve +3 will work with the standard 9C 12-round magazine (not the one with the 10-round base plate) AND a MagBlock used to make an M&P 2.0 Mag 15-rounder down to 10. It works perfectly! (12 plus 3 minus 5). You may want to put some grip tape on the Hyve plate though.
I have one of each. I CCW with either pistol. Canvas holster outside the belt, over shirt for concealment. I like 17 rounds in any one of them.
Agree both are great options for EDC! Personally, I like 2 O'clock IWB. Almost impossible to detect when carrying in this position.
The pinkie extension makes a big difference. That's how i carry the 9c.
CWB1863 Me too but I’ve always felt that if S&W went to the effort of designing a pinky extension the should’ve enclosed it for an extra three rounds. They’d have a ton of happier 9c owners.
I hear what you're saying, but i think Smith wanted to keep as compact as possible at the time.12 rounds is a good size.However, with the 2.0 compact being released, you get what you're looking for.
Have you compared the 9 c with pinky extension to the 2.0 compact? I have not but I'm guessing they are very close?
You read my mind on this one. Thanks!
I like the old M&p 9c. The grip is a little short for my big hands but perfect for my wife. For my use, I just use Mec-gar magazine extension; note, you will have to do a little bit of shaving on the Mec-Gar for it to fit perfectly. There are videos in here so don't ask me how it is done. Also the trigger sucks; good thing for Apex. There are videos on Apex triggers so don't ask me how it is done either.
So essentially, there is no good reason to replace your Compact 1.0 for a 2.0 other than it holds three more rounds and is harder to conceal.
The 9c is a subcompact. My point was that some folks believe that the new 2.0 compact (midsize) is too big compared to the 9c. And therefore not as concealable... that's not the case. In addition the new 2.0 is easier to shoot, operate and manipulate.
It's bigger than the shield and more ergonomic than a G26,I can't have 15 rnd mags in my state but the 1.0 version takes the higher capacity mags too.Bad comparison with the Apex installed as well.
Actually because it holds three more rounds and is just as concealable as the 9c.
From my handling and shooting expirences, 2.0 m&ps are superior to the first gen guns in every respect.
I own a mp40c and have zero trouble picking up the sights, aiming, and firing accurately right out of the box. On top of that the size does matter.
Agree with you. These are solid performers right out of the box.
I won my m&p 2.0 9 compact, but the paperwork said 9c. Being a newbie to gun world i thought compact meant smaller. When i received my gun i thought is this compact, as its large to me with a 4 inch barrell. So what am I missing? I know there is a 5 in barrell, is this what he's referring to? I also heard, not seen, a 3.60 barrell and i am not talking about the shield. I want to make sure i was given the correct gun and not spend unnessary money to get a smaller gun. To me, living in the state of IL, it better be concealed or jail you go! Correct answers gladly accepted. Thank you.
The best way to think on the compact is to compare it to the Glock 19. The frame is smaller. If you're looking for even smaller, the the sub-compact 9c or G26. A compact is a gun with a smaller frame for easier carry and concealment than a full sized gun. ... The Glock 19 is their “compact” in 9mm: The Glock 26 is their subcompact in 9mm. The M&P Compact is essentially their mid-sized gun
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC thank you. I know nothing of the glock, but going to the range and will compare them all.
How did you carry your g19 and what holster did you use good sir? I wonder because I just got a glock 32 not long ago and I bought a $13 cloth uncle Mikes holster so I could research what holster would work best and not spend $50 on a holster to begin with that I don't like and have to get a new one anyway once I found one that was comfortable and keeps your handgun tucked and easy to conceal
I like the video,I just don't agree with your opinion. I bought the new 2.0 compact. Love it, but yeah..that inch of you speak of in the grip makes all the difference. I don't carry it because it does print more than I like.
With your argument you could carry the full size 4.25" just as easy? I mean the difference between the new 2.0 compact is minimal. I shoot it very well. That's my point..those little differences are huge when you are carrying them everyday.
So I appreciate the size comparison between the 2 in this video. I think most of us would agree the new compact 2.0 is a better shooter. I own it, but yeah I don't carry it every day..too damn big even though I shoot it well.
I wish it was easier to do a nice grip chop on an older 4.25" to the 2.0 Compact length and not have the backstraps, etc.
What is that at 3:37-3:49? I've seen this happen on other videos of ppl shooting this gun, after the third shot the gun wobbles like he pulled the trigger and flinched. I'm sure it's just user, but I've seen this happen before on other videos. Anyone know? After flinch?
Is the M2.0 subcompact very difficult to rack? Or does it require a break-in period? I have some muscle rigidity in my hands due to cerebral palsy, but I can easily manipulate the Ruger Security-9, Sig Sauer P365XL (and its baby brothers), S&W CSX, Glock 19 and FNH 509 Mid-size. I couldn't rack the Shield Plus or Glock 26, though.
I don't feel the subcompact is more difficult to rack. Really it's a matter of technique. Use a "power stroke"....pressing the pistol forward rapidly while cycling the slide with the non-dominant hand moving briskly toward the dominant shoulder. Here is a video on that technique. th-cam.com/video/RWIfyntywds/w-d-xo.html
Too many people try to do all the work with the non-dominant hand. Hope this helps.
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I have the M&PC and 4.25” M&P 1.0 pistols. I carry the smaller pistol much more often, and if 1/2” doesn’t matter, why did S&W take 1/4” of an already fine pistol? In my opinion, it was purely marketing, and saying it’s the same size as a Glock has sold a lot of 2.0’s. Love the channel, so take this as just my opinion. ;-)
P.S. The M&PC is not a range gun.
Thanks for your input. Like you I own the first generation M&Ps including the 9c, 4.25" and 5" guns. Also own M&P 2.0 in the new compact, 4.25 and 5". They (2.0) guns are really an improvement.
I've always love the G19 and its size. (Put 50,000 rounds the an Gen 2 G19). So, I'm thrilled that Smith came out with the M&P 2.0 Compact. For whatever it's worth, many top instructors in the USA shoot and teach with the G19 ( A mid-sided gun). So, Smith is targeting a product (G19) that is used by others and extremely popular for tens of thousands of americans. Frank Proctor (an amazing instructor) is now using the M&P Compact 2.0. The 2.0 compact provides customers an alternative to the full size or compact sized gun and is targeted at the CWP holder and those who EDC. And yes, to compete with the G19. Frankly that's good business IMHO. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
After seeing the 2.0 c I realize my original is suitable for me to everyday conceal carry, its name tell it all, compact and tiny to hide with 12 rounds is enough to get job done.
Thanks for watching. The new 2.0 9c subcompact is really exceptional. We just did a review on our channel.
Worth pointing out now that the 2.0 subcompact is essentially the 9c upgraded
The 2.0 subcompact is excellent ... love it. Check out my video on the thre three 2.0 compact 9mm pistols on my channel.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Will do!
What 2.0 magazine will fit in the original mp9c? The handle is longer in New 2.0
Any M&P double stack 9mm will work in either gun
What happened to your left hand?
I'd like to see S&W start offering these guns optics ready. It's time for them to start taking a bite out of that market
What do you think the pro series is for?
@@ibleedpurple52 they're almost impossible to find. I'd prefer and option I actually see every now and then
What is that camera you have on your ear muffs? I've been wondering what to use if I want to record my range practice. Not recording where I'm hitting the target but recording how I'm gripping, etc. Thanks!
Contour +2 is the head mounted camera. If your looking for grip, stance and structure... record with your cell phone. Even from directly below it will help. The Camera mounted on the side of the ear pro is really for point of view shots.
I like the 1.0
I would like a 2.0 version of a 1.0 with X-grip sleeves for the 2.0 and full size models
Totally agree because I haven't even P shield the is we too small for me
I am sold. I will be getting a 2.0 compact 4.0. But will those mags work in the 9C. A spacer maybe from Xgriip or even Smith & Wesson might make the 9C a keeper as well. I usually shoot it with full size trips and a spacer but the slightly smaller ones would be awesome. The 9C site radius is slightly longer than the G19. i am sure the 2.0s even longer!
I think the 9c is good but prefer the 2.0 compact. Thanks for commenting
2:51 I had a 1.0 full size service weapon with a core series back like that
Thanks for watching. The core series of the Smith and Wesson line are really great because they allow the individual to add red dot optics to the slide itself.
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The concealment factor in any handgun is the but or magazine well length. The 2.0 is just too big period. its not a compact handgun. Its full size.
Only if you consider a G19 "full size"
I agree, it is the length the stock full size should have been.
9c all the way. Might as well get a full size than the compact
Thanks for your perspective. I own the The M&P 2.0 9C but find the the 4” compact just as easy to carry / conceal. But lots of people like the shorter frame and barrel. Use what works for you !
Thanks for another good video
Thanks for watching and commenting!
how's the felt recoil on the smaller one ? on both ? compared to a G19 ? to larger M&P 9 ?
I think they're all about the same.
Great comparison video. I’m looking to get the m&p 2.0 compact. Any thoughts on safety vs no safety? Do you have a preference?
If it's a single action gun, yes I want a safety However, I'm not a fan of external safeties on striker fired guns. For a carry gun like the M&P Compact, I would not want it. Hope this helps.
pghfan97 I have the original 9c with safety. I often wish that I would have stayed away from it. The best safety is between your ears.
I accidentally ordered the 2.0 compact with safety and didn’t mean too. Big goof up on my part. But I contacted smith and Wesson and they sent me the safety plugs for free. So now it’s like I never had the safety at all. So you can do the same thing with your 9c.
I have the same camera, what did you used to fix it there with the ear pro?
Contour makes a bracket allowing it to be mounted to ear phones
Scrub to 3:45 mark on the video, specifically the 3:49 mark, I see you anticipated a shot when you pulled the trigger and the weapon failed to fire. What caused that? I'm looking at getting a 2.0, but if this is an issue with the gun, I may re-consider. If it's only shooter error, then it is what it is.
Operator error on my part I was short stroking the trigger . This wasn't my pistol and the owner had installed an APEX trigger that hand a longer reset than I am used to. Bottom line, the performance issue was mine not the guns. I really this pistol!
Alright, thanks for clarifying.
LEO M&P 9c with night sights 319.00 .. Being LEO is there any mods done to it?. Like trigger tx
Thanks for commenting. It's unlikely that the trigger has been modified. The Night Sights would be the primary LEO upgrade.
I'm 5-10 and 190 pounds. Neither of these are comfortable for me to carry. My Shield fits in my right back pocket and works perfectly from there!
love my 9c...perfect size
Stock grip is a tad too short.
thanks guys its on layaway !
You'll enjoy it!
Why not have both
Donald Wortham I don’t think they make the 9c and 40c anymore. Looks like they dumped the C line.
No Its not nonsense its freeking huge!
The half inch is a big deal for some people. I like the 9c I have glock 19 and 9c I leave the 19 home with the old lady. It's not that difficult to run the guns like the 9c or g26 when it gets harder is when you get into the so so stupid pocket guns. In my opinion those guns have no place and they plain flat out suck.
Thoughts on the 2.0 subcompact?
Are you referring to the 2.0, 3.7" compact?
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC no sir the 3.6 subcompact 2.0 it was released a couple of weeks ago. I have the 4 inch compact 2.0 and have been considering the 2.0 subcompact which is basically the 9c updated
@@1776orbust Interesting , I was not aware of it. I'll have to check that out.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC I think it's a huge improvement based on the steel inserts in the frame which should help on felt recoil.
My lady is a 5’1” tiny Mexican babe. I bet the size difference would be significant for someone her size. She wants a full-sized Luger or Glock but I’m steering her toward very compact pistols so she can carry at work. Better to lose your job than lose your life.
Protection first. Fun later 👍
A great option would be the the M&P Shield or the Glock 43.
Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC man. Thank you. I think the Shield is what I was looking for. I’ve held a Smith & Wesson before and thought,
“wow, this thing is tiny. It fires a 9mm? Perfect for my little lady.”
I couldn’t remember what it was. Huge help. Thank you. I haven’t ruled out the glock, either. Especially since it rhymes with all the fun things: clocks, locks and glocks. There should be a TH-cam channel devoted to these things.
Cheers 🥂
Love the channel by the way I am a sub and look to get rid of a couple of glocks for a 2.0 compact and maybe a 9c
I love the 9c. The new 2.0 front serrations look goofy as hell. Still wondering why they even bothered.
Thanks for watching and commenting. The intent of the 2.0 compact wasn't to replace the 9c. It was intended to compete against the G19. Have you shot the 2.0 Compact? I've shot it and the 9c a fair amount. I can state that the 2.0 Compact is easy to conceal, and due to it's longer frame, barrel and enhanced trigger, it out performs the 9c --- for me! Nevertheless, feel of a handgun to the operator is subjective . Regarding the front serrations, many people press check their pistol using the front of the gun, those serrations give them purchase during the process. I don't feel one way or another about them. While I am happy to EDC the 9c, the 2.0 Compact is a better gun for me. Thanks again for commenting ... all the best and stay safe. Here is a bit more on the S&W compact th-cam.com/video/UbnhI-7T8Cs/w-d-xo.html
Yes I know that. I have shot it and it's a great gun. Great alternative to the G19.
Is the compact the 3.6??
Compact is 4" the 9c is 3.6"
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC I understood that there is a new 3.6 what is the difference between the old and the new one?
Also the 9c can utilize 17 rd magazines if needed. Both great pistols, although I don't have any experience with the 2.0.
Should have shot the 9c with the pinkie extention since that is a factory option
I have shot that setup many times. Think the new 2.0 Midsized is much better!
The pinky extension makes a huge difference. I put the extension on all my 12 round magazines. I hate dangling the pinky especially on a thicker pistol. I've never tried the 2.0 but looks nice. Having a 15 round mag that can fit both means there's less pressure to upgrade on my 1.0.
what do you guys recommend for a conceal carry holster ? thanks so much !
I like US Grunt Gear wing holster for 2 o'clock carry www.usgruntgear.com/aichho.html
I carry an M&P 40 full size in a no print wonder holster by Clinger. The no print has a tang that pushes the grip up against your body, so it's great for conceal. Any holster that has that tang or claw or whatever, which makes the grip lie against your side will do you well. For a single stack I carry a 9mm at 3:00, in a vedder lighttuck, with the butt canted forward so the back of the grip and the barrel are about even with the seam of the pants vertically. The full size I carry about 4:00.
Thanks for the link, I will check them out when I get another pistol.
I started using Vedder LightTucks about 6 or 8 months ago. Very low profile and solid. They have the strongest spring steel belt clip I’ve seen on a holster yet. I don’t like belt loops and all plastic belt clips/hooks are garbage that stretch and deform rather quickly.
Id recommend vedder or stealthgear.
Paul deserve some camera time
He is camera shy! But I'll ask if he wants to be featured sometime.
Been carrying a 2.0 Compact every day for about a month. Buy a good belt and holster, it'll hide just fine
Lol so it’s like Glock 19 vs Glock 26
Except with stainless slide, better ergonomics, more metal in the frame, a very nice trigger (although that hinge isn't too perfect), and metal stock sights. Oh, and its made in USA.
@@redoak3809 hahaha
I have two 9c’s and now two 2.0 Compacts. The 2.0 Compact is everything the 9c should’ve been and more. Picture a 9c with those useless magazine pinky extensions filled in and holding 3 extra rounds. It’s just as concealable as a 9c in every way except maybe ankle carry.
why do you have 2 of each gun??
BakyDuffer Why not?
idk it just seems silly to me you couldve used that money you spent on your 2nd compacts on another brand of gun
BakyDuffer I do have other brands, two of each.
I'm getting ready to grab two M&P 9C's myself....lol. I like the traditional black and the FDE just as much, so I'm getting both.
Thanks for the information Gray Beard , I will check that out , have a great one brother ! Ky
I carried the 9c for three years and now the Compact. Conceal ability is the same. Very little difference. The new Compact is smoother and softer to shoot. I acquire a better sight picture and can shoot the new 9 Compact better and faster than the older 9c. So I carry the newer gun in the same spot just as easy, shoot it better and it holds more ammo. It’s a no brained for me.
This video is dumb.. The difference in the size of the 2.0 compact and the full size is miniscule also, so then why dont you just carry a full size???
I appreciate you commenting. I believe the 2.0 compact is easier to conceal compared to the full sized. Just like the G19 is easier than the full sized G17. Its all a personal preference. The concept of the mid-sized pistol is to split the difference between the sub compact and full sized. I believe S&W has done a nice job doing that with the 2.0 compact. Thanks again for watching...all the best and stay safe.
Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC what’s stupid is they had a shield,high capacity sub compact for CC and a full-size for Police and who ever else wants a full size pistol. Now we have a shield,a midsize pistol which is only a .25 shorter barrel than the full size and a full size. Seems kind of stupid. I see why they wanted a “compact” 4 inch barrel. They sell well and the M&P line was lacking it. But now the people who wanted a decent capacity “sub compact” will be forced to go elsewhere since their is no compact C line anymore. That means most likely they will go with Glock.
whatfreedom7 they’re still making the 1.0 9c’s tho