ScreenPrism something on The Magicians, maybe? I like the characters and from what I've heard most people don't, tho the visuals and story is still interesting.
Margaret Atwood said that, when writing the book, she only included means of oppression that either currently exist or had existed at one point in history
You are just islamophobic ... They is well documented evidence that in christian cultures women were seen as baby vessels by the patriarchical structures of the churchs.Killing enslaving and raping women while trying to enforce christianity.The crusaders weren't gentlemen. This is no time for racism but thinking how fascism grabs the people where they are most vulnerable : bodily Autonomy .There's nothing more important as the rights of women's bodies to understand how much value a society puts on their people . The U.S is the best example for this mistreatment : -raping black women in times of slavery -making them infertile so the "inferior" doesn't outnumber -killing indeginous women and still kidnapping them from reservations -racist steorotyping of nonwhite women and their fetishization -canceling planned parenthood which mostly helped women and establishing a health care system which mostly punish women or people with vaginas -also experimenting on foreign women -in 14 states of the u.s child marriage is still legal to some extend -And using women in films as tool for men to evolve rather than being an own person. Please educate youraelf ,you will hurt maybe people you love
@Lola Montez Christianity isn't repressing, abusing and killing women- how naive. Guess you haven't been paying any attention to the anti-abortion legislation that's been taking the sovereignty away from women over their own bodies? Guess you haven't been paying attention to the sex trafficking going on in so many Christian societies. Haven't been paying attention to the statistics of how many females have been raped or molested in their life time. The info is at your finger tips, arm yourself with knowledge- for your own safety at least...
I think the best lesson from the show is that the first abuse of power is division of the powerless; no dictator feels safe when the people are getting along.
True! I think so often women are pit against eachother. I work in electrical engineering, and I'm the only woman there. So often I hear men saying stuff like: 'women can't be friends, it's always drama with female friends etc'. I don't see that, I've got female friends that I've stuck with since grade school, and I've seen plenty of back-stabbing from men. But I feel that even in media, it's all about the girl fights, bitch wars etc. I think some women even start behaving like that, since it's expected from us: to view other women as competition instead of allies. Especially younger women will view things like 'oh, you're cool, you're not like other girls!' as a compliment and gladly talk shit about their own gender. When actually, it's really a back-handed argument. That person is saying: well, women in general suck, but you're all right! Imagine this about race: oh, black people suck, but you're pretty cool.... for a black person. It's the same generalisation though, and it's harmfull as fuck!
@Twin Mommy It's the far right Republicans (along with other countries who are using digital media, pretending to be Americans) that are dividing us. Divide and conquer. What have Democrats done to divide by race or gender? Are they trying to take away my rights to control my body? I could go on but it won't matter.
@@yiela_ But portraying this particular Martha of the Commander as black woman is racism, because she would get more screen time than other Marthas. Other non-black women as Martha could be just tokenism.
@Kekistan Shitlord ...you have to be delusional. Things like cleaning and taking care of the house and children (so called "women's work") is always regarded as less important, or not real work. That is why stay at home moms are always called lazy
This movie series was designed to create the illusion that women are persecuted in the US and to make all Christians look bad. It is just similar than Communism, that is, to make some people revolt. Feminists want to destroy the institution of the family.
@@rockiniowa if that is your understanding of feminism, Christianity and the book... you may want to take an introductory course in getting a clue. you're grossly misinformed Carlos.
What people need to realise is that Atwood was inspired by the rise of the Christian right in the US, as well as the Iranian theocracy. The point is that any form of religious extremism can bring about this kind of society.
Syd Lane Incorrect. Any form of extremist Islam will omit some teaching about compassion, or the prophet’s teaching on the equality of women. Even then, the Quran contradicts itself on this. The same with the bible. Jesus teaches love for all people, but there are numerous cases that contradict this in the Church’s teachings.
Yep, if anyone has a chance read Chris Hedges "American Fascist" It's a good read of the ideology that the overarching structure of the mainstream Christian American culture that is predominately Judeo-Christian, white, and male. Obviously, these are not requirements of this ideology, but it is "preferred" to fit their metanarrative of the world. It helped me, along with Atwood's book, to visualize a world as this dystopia can actually happen.
When I was in grade-school a classmate told me her father told her "there are girls you date and girls you marry", suggesting that they are two different types of girls. She passed this along confidently as if it was helpful advice. I struck me as an incredibly creepy thing to say, but I wasn't sure why at the time.
I just thought this meant girls you date may not be right for you and girls you marry should be right for you as a person. Dating is a bit trial and error, whereas marriage is more of a commitment even though divorce exists.
@@myzen1729 Nah sorry to burst your bubble, but while women tend to have lower libido, there are so many women that sleep around in their younger years, just like men do. Women tend to put guys in just a few categories as well, just as men do with women. Is he handsome and charismatic? Fuck him or date for a while. Is he well-off financially, kind and funny? He might not be has intensely attractive sexually, but he'll be seen as great partner to settle down with. Also, I'm not saying that is bad, or that everyone does this consciously, or at all, but it happens a lot.
@DarthYuYevon I can't find hard data on this, but to me it actually seems that rise in LGB-acceptance (I didn't include the TQ because those are about identity, not sexuality) actually makes monogamy more prevalent under LGB population. While gay men probably still have higher levels of promiscuity (because we're all men, and men tend to have higher libido) most LGB people I know directly or indirectly, either are in a monogamous relationship, or have some future wish for one. Part of the reason for higher promiscuity in the past, is 1: it's easier to have underground sexual encounters than it is to have long-lasting relationships, because people will find out. 2: attachment theory says people who didn't receive love in their childhood consistently, will act out sexually more often. Since LGB people were often ostracized by their family, this could've led to attachment issues. On the other hand, hookup culture is making non-monogamy more common in the general population, whether straight or gay.
This video is fantastic! Thought it was really interesting how you mentioned Gilead only works for a small group of men. That rings true today but most men who wouldn't call themselves feminists don't realise it. The oppression of women hurts men too. When we are seen as purely caregivers, men are excluded and have less rights to their children. When emotion is associated with femininity and femininity is coded as weakness, men cannot express their feelings or ask for help. That's why men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women, our society doesn't let them reach out and ask for help.
You're on the right track. I like how it is the women who make sure the other women "remember their damn place." Social class trumps gender EVERY time. Women are willing to sell one another out to move up the social ladder. (In many, many ways we are worse to one another than men have ever been to us)
"Gilead only works for a small group of men" is a true statement; however,that is not the main message the producers of this movie intended to communicate. Their goal is clearly Liberal. They want women to revolt, just like they want Blacks to revolt in riots these BLM days. They clearly are anti-Conservatives and anti-Christian. They picture us in a very negative way (they'd try to cover this with some very quick statements and scenes in the movie to give them a future insurance against critism). They want women to be aware about protecting "their rights" (right to kill babies -- the message is implicit but clear) and is an indirect invitation to vote for the most Liberal politicians. If you are afraid about women "rights", you will vote Democrat. If you are afraid about violent riots and street destruction, you will vote Conservative. What is your biggest fear? They'll try to make a desicion for you through fear.
Maybe also because they can't get the help, let alone from women. Especially if the women is more concerned with playing the victim as is so often the case. Men aren't going to compete to be viewed as the victim in a society that no longer has clear roles for men and women. Expecting equal but never achieving. Men are expected to role with the changes and keep our mouth shut or be labelled as chauvinists.
@JustHereToComment. No I'm not and I shouldn't have to tell my personal story. You have jumped to this judgement and you got me All wrong. I'm pro life you dummy. I don't know you but maybe your a hot cookie that needs time to cool. Other issues surrounding this issue on point are factors, ok dumplin
this is one of the few tv series that actually makes me nervous while watching it. There is something about how it manages to be about the objectification of women and still be one of the few shows with human, realistic women is just so... Plus, being a woman myself, I can't help but put myself in their shoes
julijakeit First of all, why everytime we talk about women's issues someone has to come in "B-BUT THE MEN!", yes we are all very aware of the problems men face, especially because a lot of it also stems from mysoginy. Second, just because some people in the world have it worse, doesn't mean we also don't have issues, or we would never go foward. This is not the oppresions Olympics and if it was, your argument would fail again because women are MORE objetified than men in the Western world, without a doubt. Third, I love to see people throwing "western world" around as if the whole western world is North America and Europe. I live in Brazil, sure I can choose who I'll marry, I can vote and work and I love my country, but here there is also a rape every 11 minutes, 70% of those rapes are commited by men against children and teenagers. Every 7 seconds a women is victim of domestic violence. 2 in every 3 female college student have been victims of some sort of violence thanks to their gender IN college (as a college student myself, can confirm). Thankfully, at least 90% of the population agrees there is a problem and that men should learn how to NOT harass women, still doesn't change the fact this still happens. I could put my source here, but it's in portuguese.
B_Potassio dude, this show makes me need Xanax. I too, get extremely nervous and angry while watching this. I would kill myself before I conformed to this lifesyle...men or women.
+julijakeit Yet wen women say this they tend to be hypocritical and drool in secret of the sight of a man chiseled body. for example: Scott Eastwood, Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth.
I find it absolutely hilarious when people in the comments think that the show is just feminist propaganda. You need to look a lot more beyond that. The show says A LOT! About the power structure, class, race and gender.
HB, the show is indeed Feminist propaganda. It has some aspects on it designed to make it look more neutral, like the fact that some men are also oppressed. But the message is clear. It encourages women to be hyper vigilant about their "rights", with this, it means of course their right to kill babies. The goal of the movie is not to entertain, as movies' goals used to be. There are clear Liberal purposes on it, like their motivation to make Christian's look bad. Liberals want to destroy the institution of family and want to kill babies. They also want population control. It is all implicit in the movie. If you dont see it, you are blind.
@@rockiniowa Lol, yeah those alt-rights will be definitely be on your side when they get their way Either all are free or none, but I get it's hard to be pro women-rights when you are so afraid of them
@@rockiniowa I see that too. I look beyond the situation with the hand maids in the series as being not quite human enough for rights. Our full term unborn children are looked at as not quite human enough for rights. It amazes me that people can be fooled so easily in to thinking that abortion is simply women's rights. It is so much more complex.
yes, im terrified with whta is happening in atlanta, im from a different country but still, US does something and it sets a margin in this side of the planet, it's scary
the whole 'pure wife' thing reminded me of how cardi b was slut-shamed after having a child by being told she cant do all the things she did because 'shes a mother now'
my favorite example of this is when people got pissy at Megan Fox for dating Machine Gun Kelly because “she’s a mother and shouldn’t be having sex”, completely ignoring the fact that MGK has a daughter himself. do they literally expect women to fill their vagina up with cement the second they have a child because mothers are supposed to be strictly un sexual
I was adopted into an extremely Conservative Christian family when I was 10 they were very big on the fact that women clean up after men and take care of kids if a woman had a secular job and children it was looked down upon men didn't belong in the kitchen that was a woman's job my dad wouldn't even start a washer I think maybe once or twice he did in nine years. he hated being in the kitchen. my mom has a mess and she could get extremely exhausted and she would have to beg him to help her.when we went to church we wore a head covering to show that we were under submission to him. Not under submission to God under submission to him. My family and many people in our circles believe the Bible was absolutely literal and the god of the old testament is the same as the god of the New testament. I truly believe some of the people in our circled would be all for executing at least imprisoning homosexuals. I know some of Them would give the death penalty to abortion doctors. They firmly believe women who have abortions should go to jail. I wasn't allowed to cut my hair or wear it all the way down. Wasn't allowed to wear makeup or jewelry. Birth control was extremely looked down upon as was getting your tubes tied.If you don't think the America is in danger of becoming a country like in the handmaid's tale you're kidding yourself. There are whole denominations considering of hundreds some times thousands of people willing and waiting for it to happen. I left 5 months ago after coming out as bisexual and not a Christian. I'm pro-choice without exception and I will always fight for women's rights.
women shouldn't have to be in jail for getting an abortion these men who try to control their bodies by calling abortion "murder" are toxic chauvinists
When a man is disappointed that I am in a relationship... I am seen as "taken" as if an object rather than committed. It is necessary to understand the difference between I-It communication/I-You versus I-thou. In a society of "friend zoning", I have one purpose to these men, be their girlfriend (what they want me to be). There is no idea of my own hopes, dreams, (or even desire for them in the first place). They want me to fill a role THEY constructed with no input from me what so ever. Fuck... Can i run for the hills any faster??
@Green Like when you tell a man you arent interested and he won't leave you tf alone! We have to say I have a boyfriend in order for them to respect that we don't want their nasty ass! I'm the queen at "friendzoning" all my "friends" end up liking me. And funny how we cant complain about how creepy men are without some loser crying about how women are the "same" Femine cry baby men are weird 🤢🤮🍤
I think this can be ultimately traced back to the times when women were considered just an extension of male property socially and legally. being "taken" is a status as another males property and backing off is respecting HIS property. Not you as your own person or your relationship.
@Boy Freitag if you want to enlighten green Sam, enlighten her. Stop with the attitude, what she said is true. But I'm sure she's not right about all men.
@Boy Freitag So, there was no way to say that in a civil manner? I actually agreed with your central point (about "taken"), but your delivery and attitude is so repugnant, it renders your comment invalid and you lack all credibility. Respect other human beings and you may get some respect in return. It is possible to engage in civil discourse and debate even with those whose opinions you strongly disagree with.
It is common for a man to leave the wife post childbirth and upgrade to a "better/younger" mate, and at times the cycle repeats. It tosses women en masse to self esteem issues about their bodies. In this tale, the wife is kept physically unscathed and leaves the physical dirty work to the servants. It actually instills what has gone on for as long as we all know. I'll sow my seed of legacy, and drop you like a hot potato when you're not "youthful". This "tale" backs up the claim of men just wanting an unscathed wife, and a vessel for them to use like a urinal so they get the best of both worlds without needing permission. I hate that I witness it on the regular and hate more that I recognize it for what it is. We are only for "use" as seen fit. More disturbing is hearing men chatter amongst themselves supporting human female slavery.
Yes, most women do not understand the true nature of men. Men do not like us but they tolerate us. I also think it’s vagina envy on a spiritual level. Women are the portals for spirits to enter the earth.
I remember I picked up this book in Chapters when I was 11 and my mom found me curled up in a ball on the floor reading it with tears in my eyes because I knew that life was actually like for many women all over the world. She bought it for me when I was 17 but she didn't feel comfortable letting me buy it and read it back then because even the little bit I read in the store really upset me. Even when you look at theocratic cult societies like the Mormon FLDS many men and young boys are just used for hard labour and are not fed or taken care of properly because only a few men can have all the power and "own" all the women and then little girls and women end up being raped and abused because they are not valued as human beings. Too many men don't realise that supporting the subjugation of women also means they are supporting their own subjugation because the power in a patriarchy mainly lies with the already rich and powerful.
And there's a reason why some people fear the reproductive rights battle right now in the USA. The abortion issue is getting out of hand and is crazy as fuck.
I think those gender roles also divide men into the powerful (represented by suits) versus the nameless / faceless soldiers (the guardians.) Anyone who is outside that mold is labeled a terrorist and enemy of the state. Great video and great show.
@@pizzaperson1 that's what the most hidden and vile about patriarchy : it lets men that are not at the top positions of society hope to one day be like them, instead of rebelling againts patriarchy. Juts like capitalism, it controls the "masses" with the hpe of being at he top one day.
they arent being oppressed by being guardians though lol? the women have it MUCH worse than men in the novel n series. anyone with a working brain should be able to see that.
Wolf The Gentleman No! It did not! It’s racism and hatred were on full display! That is why it was overthrown so easily! Nobody expected better under communism ! However, when it had to go against socialism, Capitalism and Communism had to lie! It would have gone well for capitalism except the UN exposed the true American economy to the world! Now no matter how Trump brags about the economy, people se Alabama and Indiana as no better than Venezuela! The only difference is that the plantation owners stayed in power in Alabama!
I hate going into the comments on videos about the Handmaid's Tale. There's always this one guy trying to be edgy saying he wishes Gilead was real or that those women had it coming or whatever. Simultaneously annoying and disheartening.
I think that The Take beat them to it by being edgy and saying that The Handmaid's Tale is about the present! That is about as hyperbolic as it gets. I think the problem in society today is that we feel we need to be extreme to be heard. That just leads to an arms race of extreme ideas, left and right.
It's not that a society that is trying to increase their fertility inevitably leads to less freedom. China wanted to decrease their fertility and imposed forced abortions and sterilizations and the Chinese have no rights. It's not about the goals of the society, it's about the methods they use to achieve it.
Richelle, China imposed a 1 child rule due to over-population.. in China's Society, a male takes care of his Parents in elderly years ( so people were aborting females ) which of course cause problems with to few women for the men ( women have more power & choices, because they are so fewer of them ), but not a good system ...in USA it is usually women who care for their parents and of course children...but no GOP cares or values them, due to tax cuts for wealthy & low minimum wage...women are forced to work, often more than 1 job ( most of income goes to childcare while they work...yet they are unable to deduct the full cost of that expense !!! While Business can deduct 100% of their expenses ) GOP trying to limit availability to birth control & family planning...wanting to force us to bare severely disabled babies !!! GOP want us to be subservient to men...yet men can no longer support women often without women working also !!! I remember a better time in USA, born in 49", when average Americans only needed1 income, could afford a 2 week vacation, own a car, home & the latest appliances ....but CEO's only made a reasonable amount over they workers......IT IS SO OUT OF WACK NOW !!!
@@debbiederosa7250 welp you can thank your own generation for leaving millenials in worse economic condition than you all had. I'm sure those CEOs you seem to hate so much were born somewhere around your time.
The book was inspired by Islamic fundamentalism and the author wondered what would happen if the Christian fundamentalism she observed rising in the 1970s followed the same path in the USA. While people may think it is preposterous, just this week, we had a Baptist Minister excusing domestic violence and marital rape. There are Christian articles about how women owe their husbands sex even if they do not feel like it. We have sects like Quiverfull. So it's not like there is not the seed of that level of religious misogyny to extrapolate from.
I think the difference is that Islamic countries are ruled by their religion so things like that happen and they are backed by the la... whereas here in the US we have laws in place so something like that can never happen - a law cannot be made that favors a religion
Christian "fundamentalism" in the West has in fact, in some perverse streams followed that regressive path, as back to female-as-breeder and child sacrifice (that in the Old Testament tale of Abraham and Isaac, God at end mercifully did not require). Jesus said that He was to be the last human sacrifice. And He upheld the Mosaic commandment "thou shalt not kill."
@@Artbug But you have politicians who create and are supposed to uphold the law openly saying America is a christian country, or a god fearing country. And we see that in the current climate with the population shifting to extremist views, either far-left or Far- right. With a little brain washing, I guarantee you, a society like this is not far off.
This is not what Christians believe in. This show is actually such a contradiction to what Christianity holds as a belief in regards to treating women. True Christianity isnt like this. I implore you to not base your views of Christianity on exaggerated misportrayals such as this show. It's misusing the Bible for its own storyline and leading many people to have a false view of Christianity.
@Lola Montez Did you miss the part where they sterilized the prostitutes? It's clearly not actually about survival. Read the book again before claiming to know it better than the author.
@jay A man living in a patriarchal society 200 years ago didn't have good opinion about women's capabilities? Shocker! Quote Napoleon on military strategy, that was his speciality. You wouldn't quote Picasso on nuclear physics either. What can you offer, anyway? You can't even find the letters on your keyboard.
“Sees women only as their function in relation to him...” I’ve never heard it expressed so well. I would say this is how narcissists think, but actually most men subconsciously do this. They have a mental list of roles their future wife must fulfill.
And women for the men they want as husbands. And before you try to go on about 'salty male tears' or whatever, I'm female, very straight, and angry at how people prioritize the freedoms we have in the west over the horrors of women's suffering in other countries, such as in the Middle East and Africa.
This movie in no way represents Western Society. It made mirror other societies around the world but not Western societies. Your analogy is lacking logic and reality!
do the same , deviding men into "mothers" and "whores" and make it a model of society enforced by laws, brothels/porn, human traficking ? no women don't do that. Ever.
@ Chayyiel Who is prioritizing that? You do realize that it is possible to care about and fight for multiple things at the same time, don't you? You do realize that it is perfectly natural and responsible to complain about corruption in your own country even though there are dictators elsewhere? This argument is so fucking bullshit.
@Boy Freitag that is not what she said at all. She meant that a FEW men in the comments were complaining about the fact that this video was about women. I am in no way saying that women are better than men and I'm sure that she wasn't either, third wave feminists dragged the name of feminism through the mud. Before third wave feminism the whole concept was to empower women and create equality. You blew it out of proportion.
@Boy Freitag Yes, people have a "right" to express themselves in a public forum - clearly that's the case since you obviously did so. AND in turn, others have a right to comment on those expressions. Judging by your hysterical reaction, It appears you are emotionally unable to cope with others' free speech, and you are just as intolerant of differing viewpoints as you accuse others of being.
@@suzukidrz3425 Its amazing that you read that into a comment which simply makes an observation about people's comments on this video. It seems like you have a complex that you need to deal with. The fact that someone wants others to stick to the point of the video doesn't mean they literally hate half the population. That's absurd.
@@silvertulip7532 I see your justification of bigotry gives you jaded insight. You are spreading toxic feminist behavior. Its sadly ironic. I think you missed the point of the point of this movie.
It seems to be happening around us, the new bill proposing women who miscarry be arrested or interrogated after such a loss. It's truly going to happen slowly around us if we don't take control.
@@ErickaCable yes - Georgia. "The HB 481 law that was just passed in Georgia dictates that a fetus should be treated as a full person from the moment of conception and that they deserve “full legal recognition.” That is very scary terminology. “Full legal recognition” means that the fetus is recognized as a "natural person" according to state law, and anyone who harms them could be punished as they would for any other crime against a person. " Harpers Bazaar There are several other newspapers carrying the same story.
This was my favorite show of that come out in 2017. The way the story, actors, costumes, lighting, cinematography, Everything on the show is at its best. I recommend the show to almost everyone around me
What people fail to realize is that It's set in a western scenery to make the readers be more sympathetic and clever. it's not a cry for western women to have their pain acknowledged by the world, but a cry for the world to have their pain recognized by western society.
Andrea Mendenhall that doesn’t stop the social sexism that happens tho, you can have all the rights in the world and still have social and society pressure that are toxic to a person, men of all groups could relate but it’s seems men just want to antagonize women, like they’ve always done. Sexism isn’t destroyed because women can vote, political and societal issues are separate.
@@parisknight1840 Something most men, and even a lot of women, don't seem to understand. "Name one right a man has that a woman doesn't." And they think feminism is solved (even though there are western countries where there are men who have rights, legal rights, that women don't). They are sooooo stupid it burns.
akshay satish actually no, hating on strippers is tied to sexism but I don’t expect you to know that. Again sexism isn’t just political rights it’s tied to our culture, how we react socially to things. If you think woman who willing wants to be a stripper is bad then clearly SOMETHING underlying is wrong there. And “oppression” isn’t just physical it can be psychological. I would know considering that I grew up in a cult that heavily tired to shape through force my ethical beliefs despite have opposite views. This all happen without any violence and it still effects how I see the world my relationships, everything. Come on how dumb are you?
@@parisknight1840 So you want to talk equality? I give you equality. The job market is already competitive as it is. For men to make money they need to put in their blood, sweat, and tears. While women are able to make huge profits from the sex market not needing to do any of the above. Either that be traditionally prostitution or being dancers. But more common now is only-fans, Instagram, tik-tok, and other social media. Women have hundreds of avenues to make a profit in the hundreds of thousands of dollars at a very young age. While the average man at the same age would just get by working minimum wage jobs or make a little better pay through backbreaking manual labor. That is why more workplace deaths are men, and why men work more hazardous jobs. We need to struggle to make a living. Or the other option which are illegal but offer jobs where you don’t need to break your back, but only risk your entire future. Why do you think men are drawn into criminal work? Selling drugs etc? Drawback is more men are in the prison system then women. Again, because for men to make money we need more then just our looks. Men are inherently born with no value in comparison to women. Men have to create value in life, while women can just be. Women have the option to exploit their bodies and make a net worth of millions by the time they are 25 off of the sexual market. Why this is to begin with? For women to make this much money from men online is because there is a direct imbalance in the sex market. But to you, it is empowering to make profit off of exploiting men? The average man is having less sex then ever before. This again is from statistics. Due to the introduction of online dating, a woman can get option from hundreds of men. From which they only choose the 1 or 2% of the best which she’d label ‘attractive’. But tell me how many men can fit the modern woman’s expectations from a man? Such as having a six figure salary? All women look for something that is better, they believe they deserve the cream of the top. Do men think the same? No. Why is it that men are perfectly fine with dating a mcdonalds worker, and women are not? Why it is that every woman if not look for money from a man, look for ambition and goals? Is it the same with men? No. You want to discuss equality as if we are the same. But the reality is we are different. You only want the benefits of being a man but not the drawbacks. You don’t want the manual labour jobs but the jobs in the managerial positions. You don’t want to die with men in the frontlines as soldiers but sit back and complain about patriarchy. Men are distilled not to complain about our problems but only listen to yours. But it is statistically proven that an average man’s life is far harder then a woman’s life can ever be. You do not share our difficulties in life, and you have zero empathy for any difficulties men have. And you expect modern men to give you any empathy in return?
@@hans3443 you already lost me when you immediately disrespected sex workers. No amount of crying like man child will make you look any less than emotional immature and not ready foe adult conversation. You literally started by making human fucking rights into a competition. This ladies is why the XY is a plague.
amazing how a few people in the comments can ignore how smart and well structured this analysis is and become so angry just because it talks about women (even though it's not just about women)... but hey, feminism isn't necessary, right?
Feminism is not only not needed, but it's detrimental to society because political movements only serve to pit us against each other and make us tribalistic. What we need is to not attach words to sets of beliefs. If you really cared about equality, you wouldn't be so attached to an inherently collectivist movement. It has done good things in the past, but it accomplished its goals, women are equal in the eyes of the law and so feminism needs to die. But it isn't going to because the nature of such movements isn't to help society first and foremost, but to survive. Are there bad things still happening to women? Yeah, and there always will be. Bad things happen to men too. But the only way forward is through a focus on logic and freedom in our society, and that can't be accomplished through left wing economic thought *or* right wing social views.
As a man. I’m so so sorry that women have to go through this or feel this way from the actions of men. I can’t even watch this show. It’s just to much and hits home. I have sisters i would never want this for them or anyone
Boy Freitag fiction my ass. Your a clown. Do you even not know the actual global statistics when it comes to women’s rights globally? Or the track record of Russia on women’s rights? Assuming you don’t from your half assed comment with no substance your a dipshit
yeah but it's not the message of the book/show. They did a bad job on that. The message is "revolt and unite against the patriarchy", "don't submit" "don't become an ally of your own opression" , even if you might lose your legs or life" . Not "be nice" , they could not be more wrong .
lol . Try again. What are you doing on an handmaid's tale video again? how come guys like you always think that they can pass the educational studie of history or litterature out of youtube and actually effectively argue against educated people?
I happened to come across this interesting video four years after it was made. I write this in the summer of 2022, immediately after Ro has fallen. Everyone around the world who would watch this video would also be familiar with where my country seems to be headed in 2022. The truth now, I think, is that women, LGBTA folks, people of color, those in poverty and many independent thinkers can understand the symbolism here; and the in depth explanation is appreciated. But it is also is frightening how I am almost afraid to watch the series again, because it feels less symbolic than ever now. Similar to what they say about history, life may not exactly repeat what is depicted in art, but it often rhymes with what art has foretold. Despite my trepidation, I believe it is important for all of us (in the US) who care about equality to watch this series , even if you have already watched it. Everything here has changed; there are far too many, decent, good, people, unknowingly, allowing themselves to boil just like the frog Offred compares society to in one of the episodes; when the heat is raised slowly, we, like the frogs, don't know they are being boiled to death until it is too late
Like you, I'm here in the summer of 2022 and I feel exactly like you feel. The difference is I'm way past menopause, but with all that's happening in the United States, my fear of a missed period in 1966 at age 20 is right back with me. I am so worried for young women. And ten year old little girls.😭 Women must turn out the hundreds of millions to vote on their own behalf in the midterms.
Orwell said very clearly that his work wasn't a prediction of the future, effectively guaranteeing that it was a reflection of his opinions of humanity at the time of writing without even reading it (though reading it compounds this further). It's the same with the Handmaid's tale, for sure. It's all social commentary.
I read this story at school, not more than a few years after it was first published. In the last few years, it's becoming more and more unsettlingly prophetic.
Handmaid's Tale is a great awakening to western women and their privilege in the world. The world depicted in the series is not that far-fetched for many women in this world, and worse is enabled not only by very patriarchal systems but also political and economic systems that profit off the backs of resource-full countries where innocent women and children are the collateral damage. It's all a circle.
Men and women are victimized and benefitted equally by society in general. I'm confused why we don't see violence against men as a problem. It's always about misogyny to the western ideology. I can't help but see this as coddling women which is a natural patriarchal impulse. Women are complainers and men are stoic. Feminism hasn't really disrupted or commented on that dynamic in any meaningful way.
@@Bradley_Lute because while men suffer issues as well, it’s not as bad. I agree it does need to be discussed, but we don’t need to taint women’s spaces where they’re talking about their pain by saying “oh but men too!”. That’s like invalidating men’s pain cause “it happens to women too!!” Just because something is worse doesn’t mean something else isn’t worth anything, but it does mean we shouldn’t ignore bigger things just cause minor stuff happens too.
@@Bradley_Lute I would look into actual feminism, not anything that’s “new” feminazis or misandrist shit. Actual feminists, which fights for men’s and women’s fights. Like for example Ruth Bader Ginsburg who fought for many women’s rights, but ALSO changed so much for men. It’s out there, you need to do your research instead of diminishing women’s pain yk. Again I do agree men’s issues need to be talked about, but they’re not about the same, so please don’t say that.
@@Daisy-kg4ho there isn't good evidence that women have it worse and furthermore woman's issues aren't separate from men's issues because our issues are generally caused by our own gender and the opposite gender.
What blows my mind is that if society is obsessed with reproduction and having children is "doing the work of God", mothers/fertile women should be considered the purest of all people and thus hold the most power. I do understand that Atwood brilliantly used oppressive techniques that have actually existed in our world but that in itself is terrifying, to know that women can and have been the ones oppressed regardless of the value of their function in such a regime.
@@reasonablewalk4982 ...and this is what we see in the US today - removing rights from anyone that they don't agree with, passing laws that disproportionately target trans people or women, spreading propaganda that drag acts are "sexualising kids", that any book that so much as mentions the existence of LGBTQ+ people is "pornographic", and banning such books from libraries. It's never been about "protecting the kids" - it's always been about total control. The Republican party in the US will not be satisfied until they have an authoritarian dictator in power, with women back in their place as "two-legged wombs", PoC back in chains, and LGBTQ+ people back in the closet. They've become so confident and so blatant, that they're not even pretending anymore.
When watching The Handmaid's Tale, I mostly think about _HOW_ this - all of it - was allowed to happen. The action that was taken was too little, & too late. I wonder if men like Nick & Luke (the regular men) were on-board at the beginning, until it was too late, and *their* lives/livelihood was threatened as well, making it too late for them to stop the ball from rolling downhill as it gathered speed/momentum. Excellent review, as always. 😊❤️
angie 808 hmmm yeah I always thought how relaxed Like was when her bank account got cut off. If that was my husband I hope he would have said that was the final straw and move me out th country. I know they did speak about it and they settled on staying but I would have hoped he was uncomfortable enough with it to push me out no matter how much I persisted
Wouldn't necessarily say that The Republic Of Gilead is based in the future, but rather in an alternate present, which is what it makes it even MORE terrifying.
Best serial so far...its impact is very effective...hats off to the writer ,director , producer n THE ACTORS... performing so well..dat u also become part of their emotional journey..n sometimes its scary too...
When I was younger I used to be pro-life. As i got older I changed my mind after seeing the handmaid’s tale as well as looking more into the consequences of not allowing a woman’s right to choose. I am now pro-choice. I feel devastated at the overturning of roe v wade as an almost 18 year old woman. I don’t know what’s to come next from this decision, but I hope us women can stand together and support each other during this time & after in post roe America. Nolite te bastardes carborundorum, sisters. i’m so sorry.
Whether you are pro-abortion or not, this was the right decision legally. You may not like it, but you were lied to by the Roe & Casey justices who told you abortion was a constitutional right. This Court set things straight & now it’s where it belongs: in the hands of the ppl.
Had to watch this again today in mourning of the overturning of Roe V. Wade. The video says, "The show warns us against the small taking away of our rights." Yep. Today we start down a dark path. When religion determines law, history shows us again and again that things go downhill very fast.
Whether you are pro-abortion or not, this was the right decision legally. You may not like it, but you were lied to by the Roe & Casey justices who told you abortion was a constitutional right. This Court set things straight & now it’s where it belongs: in the hands of the people.
I think you're the only woman besides me who's come here following the overturning of Roe v Wade. This video is 4 years old. I swore I wasn't going to look at the replies to your knowledgeable comment, but I did. Big mistake. The ignorance and misogyny is everywhere here. There will be no end to this. Unless women turn out by the millions in the midterms to vote for the right to have control over their own bodies. Does anyone really believe that if the daughter of a so-called Christian Republican was raped, or even impregnated by her father (hardly a rare scenario), she wouldn't be whisked to a State where or country where abortion is legal? Religion is the worst thing ever to happen to the human race. It'll be the end of it too.
@The Paradox Destroyer blowhard lol You don't have to cower away, if you are knowledgeable enough to argue your viewpoint on abortion then by all means bring it forward :)
I read the book last summer, just before starting to watch the series on HBO. I wasn't aware that the book was ambiented in the 80's because it felt SO present day-like. It's so sad to realize that we are more opressed than we think we are, but maybe this realization will turn out to be an awakening for a revolution. Love your videos girls!
This video should have millions of views. It really helps to explain the importance and the imagery used in this series and book. When I told a friend about this show her response was “oh well now we know what the left is afraid of,” implying that a sinister leftist part of the population were afraid of so called “God fearing people.” But the importance of this story is not to emphasize the dangers of religion, but of how an oligarchy will use any means necessary to achieve power. It is in no way an attack on religion, but a mirror to the dangers we face in current day society. Thank you thank you thank you for making this video.
My uterus hurt when I tried to watch this show. Seriously, I started to get cramps. I can’t watch movies/shows about slaves, child abuse, and the subjugation and abuse of women. It’s triggering af and makes me cry!
you are one of the most insightful film channels out there. with every video you've made me remember why i absolutely love film/tv and the messages behind them, great work you guys
This season helped me realize this is supposed to take place a lot closer to now. June’s mom is a Millennial (singing Hollaback Girl while June looks at her as if she is singing something ancient)
June's mom is meant to be a Boomer, having protested in the women's movements in the 70s when Roe was first enacted, which is why she was sentenced to the colonies. She's too old for childbearing and was a pro-choice activist. That's why June is looking at her weird for singing Holla back. June herself is meant to be an elder Millennial/Millennial.
The Handmaid's Tale is about fascism. Atwood believed that wherever fascism arose, it was shrouded under-not caused by-a cultural or religious identity. In America, this means that fascism would exist under the face of Christianity. That doesn't mean that it's a cautionary tale about Christianity or Islam and that doesn't mean it isn't-just that, at it's heart, it's not really about the religion itself.
Exactly. I don’t understand why people don’t understand this. They just feel attacked and think that it’s putting a bad image on Christianity. They can’t even see through their religious smoke & mirrors to realize that religion puts you in a very limited box, makes you judge people, takes away your right to decide morality when in your heart of hearts you know what is truly right. Having grown up Catholic and having to unlearn catholic guilt, I know now that it is okay to challenge everything that has been decided for me since before I got here. I’m not going to put myself into the confines of a religion and limit the love i have for all walks of people and possibilities in this life
One of the biggest parallels I've noticed between this show and present society is how similar the treatment of handmaids is to the treatment of dairy cows in factory farms. Both are valued solely for what their reproductive function. Both are raped until they conceive, and once they give birth, the child/calf is taken away. Then both are forced to pump milk, until they can't anymore, and then the cycle starts over again and they are raped again. When they can't give anymore, they are sentenced to death (sent to the colonies or butchers). It's such a strong parallel that it surprises me that nobody mentions it, sadly, it's probably because many people don't know what really happens to dairy cows. In fact, I don't know if Margaret Atwood even intended for this parallel, but if she did, it's definitely one of the most effective and subtle arguments against animal agriculture I've ever seen, as many people who aren't vegan would still want to watch this show or read the book.
That's what stood out to me so clearly. And not just dairy cows, but the meat/dairy/egg industries altogether. The way we treat other beings on the planet, in general. As though their only value is in what they can do for us. I watched it wishing deeply that other people would notice, however uncomfortably, that parallel. 😔
Well, I take it that you have never been around a bovine pair really enjoying themselves. Let me tell you, they REALLY do. Rape? Are you for real? The Egyptians had their goddess of love, Hathor represented by a cow. After knowing many of them, this is utterly logical. I have even seen an exhausted bull trying to sneak off from his overly amorous sweetie only to get ganged up on by the rest of the ladies. Oh, the poor boy later went to hide in some dense brush just to get some respite. He snuck out at least a day later on the other side of the creek all calm and collected, but the girls were on the other side, VERY frustrated. Yes, they very much enjoy sex. I rather wonder if you know that you can?
@@ladyaurelia1099 I have a horse (a mare), and I've seen this play out countless times. That is not what happens in breeding environments. I'm sure you know this.
@@ladyaurelia1099 look up how the dairy industry works, then you will understand what I mean. I'm not talking about cows having sex, I'm talking about humans taking cow semen and forcing it with their hands into a female cow in order to impregnate her
I loved the concept of the show but after watching the first episode I found myself REALLY angry and disturbed. I couldnt continue watching it. Maybe one day Ill go back to it because I feel people can learn alot from it. Thank you so much for those awesome videos! I true love your analysis
I read the book back in high school. As an adult, it still turns my stomach. It's still the same character - Offred but she still remembers "present day" where women were allowed to own property and choose relationships.
The Shape of Water presentation imho remains their best, but kudos to screenprism for consistently providing a level of analysis that elevates our collective understanding of film and other media. Here’s to future posts !!!🥂 🍻
Another note on the "men suffer too" section is that in the original novel written by Margerette Atwood, any men who didn't fit what the christofascist theocracy wanted, ended up being nuetured and forced into slavery (eg. Same sex attracted men, men who had been in prior relationships, racial minorities etc.)
The author wasn't "on some level" reflecting what she saw around her. She is very clear everything in "The Handmaid's Tale" was actually happening somewhere on the planet. Kind of lame you don't even know that and then act like you have some insight into the story.
I would like to add something about 'our society'. I think Atwood and the series mean the US society, especially. I feel that the US, with its outspoken Christian culture, as a country, will slide down when things fall apart. You can see this happening right now. It's not a far fetched idea, that a nation like the US, can slip away into military and religious dictatorship. Like Iran.
The Season 2 opener - i.e., the would-be mass-execution at Fenway Park - reminded me of that soccer stadium in Kabul that became a site of mass-executions under the Taliban. The stonings, the sheet between the GYN and the patient, Emily’s genital mutilation... So much of it is derived from Islamist fundamentalism and the enslavement of women. I’m a liberal but I’m not blind to reality... Today’s most systemic abuses against women occur in Islamist societies. It’s all about culture and not at all about religion. But, as Bill Maher says all the time, we should speak out against these abuses, like we spoke out against apartheid in South Africa.
Good analysis! I read this book 30 years ago and found it very moving and disturbing. I'm happy to see this film adaptation at this time, as Christian extremists seek to get increased favoritism from our government. People need to be aware of the atrocities that religious extremists have historically committed, continue to commit in many cultures, in varying degrees, and will be happy to bring to the USA today if they are allowed to increase their unjust influence.
Very true Jennifer. People are focused on the middle east when its closer to home. The Bible belt is truly a threat to humanity and it will happen, mark my words. Religious people are becoming crazy and angry at societal rejection of their mad ideologies that they will reach a point where they will infact ENFORCE it on the peoples of the world.
Honestly the best thing to do with videos on topics of oppression is to NOT scroll through the comments. Just when you find a little hope that the world is heading towards justice you find bigots all over to debunk that.
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ScreenPrism i think i love you. Been spreading your videos all over. Very well spoken and written which makes it a delight even when i disagree.
ScreenPrism something on The Magicians, maybe?
I like the characters and from what I've heard most people don't, tho the visuals and story is still interesting.
Do a video on the Borgias
Jose Luis Mendez Silva I agree this channel should be spread far and wide
Maybe a video on Jessica Jones, or any of the Netflix Marvel shows..... Unless you did and I haven't noticed yet.
Margaret Atwood said that, when writing the book, she only included means of oppression that either currently exist or had existed at one point in history
You are just islamophobic ...
They is well documented evidence that in christian cultures women were seen as baby vessels by the patriarchical structures of the churchs.Killing enslaving and raping women while trying to enforce christianity.The crusaders weren't gentlemen.
This is no time for racism but thinking how fascism grabs the people where they are most vulnerable : bodily Autonomy .There's nothing more important as the rights of women's bodies to understand how much value a society puts on their people .
The U.S is the best example for this mistreatment :
-raping black women in times of slavery
-making them infertile so the "inferior" doesn't outnumber
-killing indeginous women and still kidnapping them from reservations
-racist steorotyping of nonwhite women and their fetishization
-canceling planned parenthood which mostly helped women and establishing a health care system which mostly punish women or people with vaginas
-also experimenting on foreign women
-in 14 states of the u.s child marriage is still legal to some extend
-And using women in films as tool for men to evolve rather than being an own person.
Please educate youraelf ,you will hurt maybe people you love
@Lola Montez Sorry sweetheart, Islam and your precious Christianity have similar sins of sexism and misogyny.
@Lola Montez Christianity isn't repressing, abusing and killing women- how naive. Guess you haven't been paying any attention to the anti-abortion legislation that's been taking the sovereignty away from women over their own bodies? Guess you haven't been paying attention to the sex trafficking going on in so many Christian societies. Haven't been paying attention to the statistics of how many females have been raped or molested in their life time. The info is at your finger tips, arm yourself with knowledge- for your own safety at least...
Lola Montez 16 year olds are actually more likely to have a miscarriage or die in childbirth
@Lola Montez You literally sound like a quote from the book bud
I think the best lesson from the show is that the first abuse of power is division of the powerless; no dictator feels safe when the people are getting along.
burnerdaughter Spot on!
burnerdaughter also no guns for the women to protect themselves sucks
That's how it is in the Handmaids tale too. When they walk in pairs they are meant to act as spies to one another
True! I think so often women are pit against eachother. I work in electrical engineering, and I'm the only woman there. So often I hear men saying stuff like: 'women can't be friends, it's always drama with female friends etc'. I don't see that, I've got female friends that I've stuck with since grade school, and I've seen plenty of back-stabbing from men. But I feel that even in media, it's all about the girl fights, bitch wars etc. I think some women even start behaving like that, since it's expected from us: to view other women as competition instead of allies. Especially younger women will view things like 'oh, you're cool, you're not like other girls!' as a compliment and gladly talk shit about their own gender. When actually, it's really a back-handed argument. That person is saying: well, women in general suck, but you're all right! Imagine this about race: oh, black people suck, but you're pretty cool.... for a black person. It's the same generalisation though, and it's harmfull as fuck!
@Twin Mommy It's the far right Republicans (along with other countries who are using digital media, pretending to be Americans) that are dividing us. Divide and conquer. What have Democrats done to divide by race or gender? Are they trying to take away my rights to control my body? I could go on but it won't matter.
The Marthas being ignored too is also a metaphor on how "women's work" is less valued despite being very important
And I think it also highlights racism towards race. Don't you think?
Nada Nassif I don’t think it does. She just happens to be black. There are other Marthas that aren’t...
@@yiela_ But portraying this particular Martha of the Commander as black woman is racism, because she would get more screen time than other Marthas. Other non-black women as Martha could be just tokenism.
@@yiela_ Actually, didn't the author state that most Marthas are women of color because they aren't valued to be anything else?
@Kekistan Shitlord ...you have to be delusional. Things like cleaning and taking care of the house and children (so called "women's work") is always regarded as less important, or not real work. That is why stay at home moms are always called lazy
What this show made me realize is that we should never take our rights for granted. Let's not be asleep, and stay vigilant.
Too late. It's happening.
The women who slept with Weinstein for movie roles seemed to have forgotten that.
This movie series was designed to create the illusion that women are persecuted in the US and to make all Christians look bad. It is just similar than Communism, that is, to make some people revolt. Feminists want to destroy the institution of the family.
@@rockiniowa do you even have a brain or do you just spout out whatever fox news tells you?
@@rockiniowa if that is your understanding of feminism, Christianity and the book... you may want to take an introductory course in getting a clue. you're grossly misinformed Carlos.
What people need to realise is that Atwood was inspired by the rise of the Christian right in the US, as well as the Iranian theocracy. The point is that any form of religious extremism can bring about this kind of society.
Exactly!
Syd Lane Incorrect. Any form of extremist Islam will omit some teaching about compassion, or the prophet’s teaching on the equality of women. Even then, the Quran contradicts itself on this. The same with the bible. Jesus teaches love for all people, but there are numerous cases that contradict this in the Church’s teachings.
Or just extremism in general.
Yeah, like the cushion with 'Faith' on it but not 'Hope' and 'Charity'
Yep, if anyone has a chance read Chris Hedges "American Fascist" It's a good read of the ideology that the overarching structure of the mainstream Christian American culture that is predominately Judeo-Christian, white, and male. Obviously, these are not requirements of this ideology, but it is "preferred" to fit their metanarrative of the world. It helped me, along with Atwood's book, to visualize a world as this dystopia can actually happen.
When I was in grade-school a classmate told me her father told her "there are girls you date and girls you marry", suggesting that they are two different types of girls. She passed this along confidently as if it was helpful advice. I struck me as an incredibly creepy thing to say, but I wasn't sure why at the time.
@DarthYuYevon ??? No, most women choose to have monogamy relationship, women prefer to have one person as their romantic and sexual partner.
I just thought this meant girls you date may not be right for you and girls you marry should be right for you as a person. Dating is a bit trial and error, whereas marriage is more of a commitment even though divorce exists.
@Boy Freitag Have you ever talked to a woman dude?
@@myzen1729 Nah sorry to burst your bubble, but while women tend to have lower libido, there are so many women that sleep around in their younger years, just like men do. Women tend to put guys in just a few categories as well, just as men do with women. Is he handsome and charismatic? Fuck him or date for a while. Is he well-off financially, kind and funny? He might not be has intensely attractive sexually, but he'll be seen as great partner to settle down with. Also, I'm not saying that is bad, or that everyone does this consciously, or at all, but it happens a lot.
@DarthYuYevon I can't find hard data on this, but to me it actually seems that rise in LGB-acceptance (I didn't include the TQ because those are about identity, not sexuality) actually makes monogamy more prevalent under LGB population. While gay men probably still have higher levels of promiscuity (because we're all men, and men tend to have higher libido) most LGB people I know directly or indirectly, either are in a monogamous relationship, or have some future wish for one. Part of the reason for higher promiscuity in the past, is 1: it's easier to have underground sexual encounters than it is to have long-lasting relationships, because people will find out. 2: attachment theory says people who didn't receive love in their childhood consistently, will act out sexually more often. Since LGB people were often ostracized by their family, this could've led to attachment issues.
On the other hand, hookup culture is making non-monogamy more common in the general population, whether straight or gay.
friends don't stone friends to death.
Actually I believe it was a quote from Phoebe in Friends
"Friends get stoned together" //Snoop doggy
@@ldm673 😊
All jokes aside: Remember this.
Watch the stoning of soraya m
This video is fantastic! Thought it was really interesting how you mentioned Gilead only works for a small group of men. That rings true today but most men who wouldn't call themselves feminists don't realise it. The oppression of women hurts men too. When we are seen as purely caregivers, men are excluded and have less rights to their children. When emotion is associated with femininity and femininity is coded as weakness, men cannot express their feelings or ask for help. That's why men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women, our society doesn't let them reach out and ask for help.
Ellen you said it very well
You're on the right track. I like how it is the women who make sure the other women "remember their damn place." Social class trumps gender EVERY time. Women are willing to sell one another out to move up the social ladder. (In many, many ways we are worse to one another than men have ever been to us)
I would be married by now if I'd met a woman like you.
"Gilead only works for a small group of men" is a true statement; however,that is not the main message the producers of this movie intended to communicate. Their goal is clearly Liberal. They want women to revolt, just like they want Blacks to revolt in riots these BLM days. They clearly are anti-Conservatives and anti-Christian. They picture us in a very negative way (they'd try to cover this with some very quick statements and scenes in the movie to give them a future insurance against critism). They want women to be aware about protecting "their rights" (right to kill babies -- the message is implicit but clear) and is an indirect invitation to vote for the most Liberal politicians. If you are afraid about women "rights", you will vote Democrat. If you are afraid about violent riots and street destruction, you will vote Conservative. What is your biggest fear? They'll try to make a desicion for you through fear.
Maybe also because they can't get the help, let alone from women. Especially if the women is more concerned with playing the victim as is so often the case. Men aren't going to compete to be viewed as the victim in a society that no longer has clear roles for men and women. Expecting equal but never achieving. Men are expected to role with the changes and keep our mouth shut or be labelled as chauvinists.
It is very uncomfortable to watch... but it is necessary to realise how important women's rights are for all society, including men
@JustHereToComment. At least they leave him alone instead of stoning him.
A woman has a right to choose to HAVE a baby.
@JustHereToComment. No I'm not and I shouldn't have to tell my personal story. You have jumped to this judgement and you got me All wrong. I'm pro life you dummy. I don't know you but maybe your a hot cookie that needs time to cool. Other issues surrounding this issue on point are factors, ok dumplin
@JustHereToComment. Such a sexist remark, I declare.
@JustHereToComment. The movie The handmaids Tale.
this is one of the few tv series that actually makes me nervous while watching it. There is something about how it manages to be about the objectification of women and still be one of the few shows with human, realistic women is just so... Plus, being a woman myself, I can't help but put myself in their shoes
Jajaja!
julijakeit First of all, why everytime we talk about women's issues someone has to come in "B-BUT THE MEN!", yes we are all very aware of the problems men face, especially because a lot of it also stems from mysoginy. Second, just because some people in the world have it worse, doesn't mean we also don't have issues, or we would never go foward. This is not the oppresions Olympics and if it was, your argument would fail again because women are MORE objetified than men in the Western world, without a doubt. Third, I love to see people throwing "western world" around as if the whole western world is North America and Europe. I live in Brazil, sure I can choose who I'll marry, I can vote and work and I love my country, but here there is also a rape every 11 minutes, 70% of those rapes are commited by men against children and teenagers. Every 7 seconds a women is victim of domestic violence. 2 in every 3 female college student have been victims of some sort of violence thanks to their gender IN college (as a college student myself, can confirm). Thankfully, at least 90% of the population agrees there is a problem and that men should learn how to NOT harass women, still doesn't change the fact this still happens. I could put my source here, but it's in portuguese.
B_Potassio dude, this show makes me need Xanax. I too, get extremely nervous and angry while watching this. I would kill myself before I conformed to this lifesyle...men or women.
+julijakeit
Yet wen women say this they tend to be hypocritical and drool in secret of the sight of a man chiseled body. for example: Scott Eastwood, Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth.
B_Potassio And this happens now, today, under the Taliban, etc.
I find it absolutely hilarious when people in the comments think that the show is just feminist propaganda. You need to look a lot more beyond that. The show says A LOT! About the power structure, class, race and gender.
They only know their partisan boundaries
so, a feminist shitshow?
HB, the show is indeed Feminist propaganda. It has some aspects on it designed to make it look more neutral, like the fact that some men are also oppressed. But the message is clear. It encourages women to be hyper vigilant about their "rights", with this, it means of course their right to kill babies. The goal of the movie is not to entertain, as movies' goals used to be. There are clear Liberal purposes on it, like their motivation to make Christian's look bad. Liberals want to destroy the institution of family and want to kill babies. They also want population control. It is all implicit in the movie. If you dont see it, you are blind.
@@rockiniowa Lol, yeah those alt-rights will be definitely be on your side when they get their way
Either all are free or none, but I get it's hard to be pro women-rights when you are so afraid of them
@@rockiniowa I see that too. I look beyond the situation with the hand maids in the series as being not quite human enough for rights. Our full term unborn children are looked at as not quite human enough for rights. It amazes me that people can be fooled so easily in to thinking that abortion is simply women's rights. It is so much more complex.
this aged a little too well
Jupppp unfortunetly
yes, im terrified with whta is happening in atlanta, im from a different country but still, US does something and it sets a margin in this side of the planet, it's scary
Oof
No not really
Lola Montez thank you!! People just love to hate on the US for fun at this point.
I'm an Iranian girl and ... sadly ... I could relate to many parts of the show 😞
امیدوارم یه روزی کشور ما هم به برابری برسه...
@@yazmatazz06 thank you so much for your kindness ❤
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@@haniyehlavoi3070 That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. No one should have to feel this way. I hope u are safe
The high control religions even in modern nations, ALL women can relate to it.
the whole 'pure wife' thing reminded me of how cardi b was slut-shamed after having a child by being told she cant do all the things she did because 'shes a mother now'
@Boy Freitag what?
Hey, wasn't Cardi B the woman who used to lure men with sex and then rob them?
my favorite example of this is when people got pissy at Megan Fox for dating Machine Gun Kelly because “she’s a mother and shouldn’t be having sex”, completely ignoring the fact that MGK has a daughter himself.
do they literally expect women to fill their vagina up with cement the second they have a child because mothers are supposed to be strictly un sexual
@@restingsadface everyone owes megan fox an apology. What she got put through years ago is unacceptable.
@@sultanashahjalal5364 brrruh I know right, my girl deserved better!
I was adopted into an extremely Conservative Christian family when I was 10 they were very big on the fact that women clean up after men and take care of kids if a woman had a secular job and children it was looked down upon men didn't belong in the kitchen that was a woman's job my dad wouldn't even start a washer I think maybe once or twice he did in nine years. he hated being in the kitchen. my mom has a mess and she could get extremely exhausted and she would have to beg him to help her.when we went to church we wore a head covering to show that we were under submission to him. Not under submission to God under submission to him. My family and many people in our circles believe the Bible was absolutely literal and the god of the old testament is the same as the god of the New testament. I truly believe some of the people in our circled would be all for executing at least imprisoning homosexuals. I know some of
Them would give the death penalty to abortion doctors. They firmly believe women who have abortions should go to jail. I wasn't allowed to cut my hair or wear it all the way down. Wasn't allowed to wear makeup or jewelry. Birth control was extremely looked down upon as was getting your tubes tied.If you don't think the America is in danger of becoming a country like in the handmaid's tale you're kidding yourself. There are whole denominations considering of hundreds some times thousands of people willing and waiting for it to happen. I left 5 months ago after coming out as bisexual and not a Christian. I'm pro-choice without exception and I will always fight for women's rights.
Mad respect for u. I am a bisexual woman also and I feel the same way
Thank you for sharing your story - keep sharing it!
women shouldn't have to be in jail for getting an abortion these men who try to control their bodies by calling abortion "murder" are toxic chauvinists
I'm so glad you came ou and left that behind!
Thank you for sharing, reading this gave me hope that even if the world is against us we can stand up for ourselves and each other.
"The cloaking of evil things in virtuous sounding language." Bloody hell that's the UK today.
And the U.S.
I know, what with delaying Brexit and what have you.
Both left and right. Crazy.
@@outdoorminer5533 example from the left?
@@revspikejonez Gender ideology.
When a man is disappointed that I am in a relationship... I am seen as "taken" as if an object rather than committed. It is necessary to understand the difference between I-It communication/I-You versus I-thou. In a society of "friend zoning", I have one purpose to these men, be their girlfriend (what they want me to be). There is no idea of my own hopes, dreams, (or even desire for them in the first place). They want me to fill a role THEY constructed with no input from me what so ever. Fuck... Can i run for the hills any faster??
@Green
Like when you tell a man you arent interested and he won't leave you tf alone!
We have to say I have a boyfriend in order for them to respect that we don't want their nasty ass!
I'm the queen at "friendzoning" all my "friends" end up liking me.
And funny how we cant complain about how creepy men are without some loser crying about how women are the "same"
Femine cry baby men are weird 🤢🤮🍤
I think this can be ultimately traced back to the times when women were considered just an extension of male property socially and legally. being "taken" is a status as another males property and backing off is respecting HIS property. Not you as your own person or your relationship.
Relatable
@Boy Freitag if you want to enlighten green Sam, enlighten her. Stop with the attitude, what she said is true. But I'm sure she's not right about all men.
@Boy Freitag So, there was no way to say that in a civil manner? I actually agreed with your central point (about "taken"), but your delivery and attitude is so repugnant, it renders your comment invalid and you lack all credibility. Respect other human beings and you may get some respect in return. It is possible to engage in civil discourse and debate even with those whose opinions you strongly disagree with.
It is common for a man to leave the wife post childbirth and upgrade to a "better/younger" mate, and at times the cycle repeats. It tosses women en masse to self esteem issues about their bodies. In this tale, the wife is kept physically unscathed and leaves the physical dirty work to the servants. It actually instills what has gone on for as long as we all know. I'll sow my seed of legacy, and drop you like a hot potato when you're not "youthful". This "tale" backs up the claim of men just wanting an unscathed wife, and a vessel for them to use like a urinal so they get the best of both worlds without needing permission. I hate that I witness it on the regular and hate more that I recognize it for what it is. We are only for "use" as seen fit. More disturbing is hearing men chatter amongst themselves supporting human female slavery.
Yes, most women do not understand the true nature of men. Men do not like us but they tolerate us. I also think it’s vagina envy on a spiritual level. Women are the portals for spirits to enter the earth.
This is why the term "trophy wife" exists.
Lol, and there's women kicking out men for allamony farming
I remember I picked up this book in Chapters when I was 11 and my mom found me curled up in a ball on the floor reading it with tears in my eyes because I knew that life was actually like for many women all over the world. She bought it for me when I was 17 but she didn't feel comfortable letting me buy it and read it back then because even the little bit I read in the store really upset me. Even when you look at theocratic cult societies like the Mormon FLDS many men and young boys are just used for hard labour and are not fed or taken care of properly because only a few men can have all the power and "own" all the women and then little girls and women end up being raped and abused because they are not valued as human beings. Too many men don't realise that supporting the subjugation of women also means they are supporting their own subjugation because the power in a patriarchy mainly lies with the already rich and powerful.
r/thathappened
I'm sorry but the start of that just sounds fake.
@@thehumanoddity just stop
@@AvgJane19 What kind of child thinks of shit like that at the age of 11.
And there's a reason why some people fear the reproductive rights battle right now in the USA. The abortion issue is getting out of hand and is crazy as fuck.
trevor bgs euh, I’m one of those. So?
I think those gender roles also divide men into the powerful (represented by suits) versus the nameless / faceless soldiers (the guardians.) Anyone who is outside that mold is labeled a terrorist and enemy of the state. Great video and great show.
Yes the patriarchy is hurting men hugely too.
@@pizzaperson1 that's what the most hidden and vile about patriarchy : it lets men that are not at the top positions of society hope to one day be like them, instead of rebelling againts patriarchy. Juts like capitalism, it controls the "masses" with the hpe of being at he top one day.
@@ouicertes9764
Communism also gave people false idea of equality
they arent being oppressed by being guardians though lol? the women have it MUCH worse than men in the novel n series. anyone with a working brain should be able to see that.
Wolf The Gentleman No! It did not! It’s racism and hatred were on full display! That is why it was overthrown so easily! Nobody expected better under communism ! However, when it had to go against socialism, Capitalism and Communism had to lie! It would have gone well for capitalism except the UN exposed the true American economy to the world! Now no matter how Trump brags about the economy, people se Alabama and Indiana as no better than Venezuela! The only difference is that the plantation owners stayed in power in Alabama!
I hate going into the comments on videos about the Handmaid's Tale. There's always this one guy trying to be edgy saying he wishes Gilead was real or that those women had it coming or whatever. Simultaneously annoying and disheartening.
Seen about 10 comments all complaining about "all these men"- comments of which I have seen zero...
I'd set things up a little differently
Contrapunctus XV Really I cant go through one comment thread with some guy complaining about feminism and how men are victims or some shit
Contrapunctus XV
They probably got reported and deleted.
I think that The Take beat them to it by being edgy and saying that The Handmaid's Tale is about the present! That is about as hyperbolic as it gets. I think the problem in society today is that we feel we need to be extreme to be heard. That just leads to an arms race of extreme ideas, left and right.
It's not that a society that is trying to increase their fertility inevitably leads to less freedom. China wanted to decrease their fertility and imposed forced abortions and sterilizations and the Chinese have no rights. It's not about the goals of the society, it's about the methods they use to achieve it.
Richelle, China imposed a 1 child rule due to over-population.. in China's Society, a male takes care of his Parents in elderly years ( so people were aborting females ) which of course cause problems with to few women for the men ( women have more power & choices, because they are so fewer of them ), but not a good system ...in USA it is usually women who care for their parents and of course children...but no GOP cares or values them, due to tax cuts for wealthy & low minimum wage...women are forced to work, often more than 1 job ( most of income goes to childcare while they work...yet they are unable to deduct the full cost of that expense !!! While Business can deduct 100% of their expenses ) GOP trying to limit availability to birth control & family planning...wanting to force us to bare severely disabled babies !!! GOP want us to be subservient to men...yet men can no longer support women often without women working also !!! I remember a better time in USA, born in 49", when average Americans only needed1 income, could afford a 2 week vacation, own a car, home & the latest appliances ....but CEO's only made a reasonable amount over they workers......IT IS SO OUT OF WACK NOW !!!
They’re both reproductive control, in essence
Debbie DeRosa Excellent accurate points. Thank you.
@@debbiederosa7250 welp you can thank your own generation for leaving millenials in worse economic condition than you all had. I'm sure those CEOs you seem to hate so much were born somewhere around your time.
You get it.
The book was inspired by Islamic fundamentalism and the author wondered what would happen if the Christian fundamentalism she observed rising in the 1970s followed the same path in the USA. While people may think it is preposterous, just this week, we had a Baptist Minister excusing domestic violence and marital rape. There are Christian articles about how women owe their husbands sex even if they do not feel like it. We have sects like Quiverfull. So it's not like there is not the seed of that level of religious misogyny to extrapolate from.
I think the difference is that Islamic countries are ruled by their religion so things like that happen and they are backed by the la... whereas here in the US we have laws in place so something like that can never happen - a law cannot be made that favors a religion
the book is inspired by patriarchy as a universal political system.Atwood"s a very prolific radical feminist .
Christian "fundamentalism" in the West has in fact, in some perverse streams followed that regressive path, as back to female-as-breeder and child sacrifice (that in the Old Testament tale of Abraham and Isaac, God at end mercifully did not require). Jesus said that He was to be the last human sacrifice. And He upheld the Mosaic commandment "thou shalt not kill."
@@Artbug But you have politicians who create and are supposed to uphold the law openly saying America is a christian country, or a god fearing country. And we see that in the current climate with the population shifting to extremist views, either far-left or Far- right. With a little brain washing, I guarantee you, a society like this is not far off.
This is not what Christians believe in. This show is actually such a contradiction to what Christianity holds as a belief in regards to treating women. True Christianity isnt like this. I implore you to not base your views of Christianity on exaggerated misportrayals such as this show. It's misusing the Bible for its own storyline and leading many people to have a false view of Christianity.
The obsession with fertility is too common place in a patriarchal society
you mean reproductive abuse is so common in patriarchal societies.
@Lola Montez humanity dying off would benefit earth more than anything, just saying
UDRĘKA 13 the earth wouldn’t care
@Lola Montez Did you miss the part where they sterilized the prostitutes? It's clearly not actually about survival. Read the book again before claiming to know it better than the author.
@jay A man living in a patriarchal society 200 years ago didn't have good opinion about women's capabilities? Shocker! Quote Napoleon on military strategy, that was his speciality. You wouldn't quote Picasso on nuclear physics either.
What can you offer, anyway? You can't even find the letters on your keyboard.
“Sees women only as their function in relation to him...” I’ve never heard it expressed so well. I would say this is how narcissists think, but actually most men subconsciously do this. They have a mental list of roles their future wife must fulfill.
And women for the men they want as husbands. And before you try to go on about 'salty male tears' or whatever, I'm female, very straight, and angry at how people prioritize the freedoms we have in the west over the horrors of women's suffering in other countries, such as in the Middle East and Africa.
And you're saying that women don't do the same thing? I'd have to call bullshit on that one!
This movie in no way represents Western Society. It made mirror other societies around the world but not Western societies. Your analogy is lacking logic and reality!
do the same , deviding men into "mothers" and "whores" and make it a model of society enforced by laws, brothels/porn, human traficking ? no women don't do that. Ever.
@ Chayyiel
Who is prioritizing that? You do realize that it is possible to care about and fight for multiple things at the same time, don't you? You do realize that it is perfectly natural and responsible to complain about corruption in your own country even though there are dictators elsewhere?
This argument is so fucking bullshit.
Amazing how men in the comments can't even let a video about women, be about women.
@Boy Freitag that is not what she said at all. She meant that a FEW men in the comments were complaining about the fact that this video was about women. I am in no way saying that women are better than men and I'm sure that she wasn't either, third wave feminists dragged the name of feminism through the mud. Before third wave feminism the whole concept was to empower women and create equality. You blew it out of proportion.
It's amazing you're so misandristic.
@Boy Freitag Yes, people have a "right" to express themselves in a public forum - clearly that's the case since you obviously did so. AND in turn, others have a right to comment on those expressions. Judging by your hysterical reaction, It appears you are emotionally unable to cope with others' free speech, and you are just as intolerant of differing viewpoints as you accuse others of being.
@@suzukidrz3425 Its amazing that you read that into a comment which simply makes an observation about people's comments on this video. It seems like you have a complex that you need to deal with. The fact that someone wants others to stick to the point of the video doesn't mean they literally hate half the population. That's absurd.
@@silvertulip7532 I see your justification of bigotry gives you jaded insight. You are spreading toxic feminist behavior. Its sadly ironic. I think you missed the point of the point of this movie.
It seems to be happening around us, the new bill proposing women who miscarry be arrested or interrogated after such a loss. It's truly going to happen slowly around us if we don't take control.
Can you provide a reference of this bill that you speak of? Please, in which state?
Ericka Creed not sure of the bill name/# but it was recently passed here in GA
lol stop watching cnn...
Indiana has a law that a woman must pay for a funeral for her abortion
@@ErickaCable yes - Georgia. "The HB 481 law that was just passed in Georgia dictates that a fetus should be treated as a full person from the moment of conception and that they deserve “full legal recognition.”
That is very scary terminology. “Full legal recognition” means that the fetus is recognized as a "natural person" according to state law, and anyone who harms them could be punished as they would for any other crime against a person. " Harpers Bazaar There are several other newspapers carrying the same story.
This was my favorite show of that come out in 2017. The way the story, actors, costumes, lighting, cinematography, Everything on the show is at its best. I recommend the show to almost everyone around me
I appreciate the use of Sandy and Rizzo
What people fail to realize is that It's set in a western scenery to make the readers be more sympathetic and clever.
it's not a cry for western women to have their pain acknowledged by the world, but a cry for the world to have their pain recognized by western society.
Andrea Mendenhall that doesn’t stop the social sexism that happens tho, you can have all the rights in the world and still have social and society pressure that are toxic to a person, men of all groups could relate but it’s seems men just want to antagonize women, like they’ve always done. Sexism isn’t destroyed because women can vote, political and societal issues are separate.
@@parisknight1840 Something most men, and even a lot of women, don't seem to understand. "Name one right a man has that a woman doesn't." And they think feminism is solved (even though there are western countries where there are men who have rights, legal rights, that women don't). They are sooooo stupid it burns.
akshay satish actually no, hating on strippers is tied to sexism but I don’t expect you to know that. Again sexism isn’t just political rights it’s tied to our culture, how we react socially to things. If you think woman who willing wants to be a stripper is bad then clearly SOMETHING underlying is wrong there. And “oppression” isn’t just physical it can be psychological. I would know considering that I grew up in a cult that heavily tired to shape through force my ethical beliefs despite have opposite views. This all happen without any violence and it still effects how I see the world my relationships, everything. Come on how dumb are you?
@@parisknight1840
So you want to talk equality?
I give you equality.
The job market is already competitive as it is.
For men to make money they need to put in their blood, sweat, and tears.
While women are able to make huge profits from the sex market not needing to do any of the above.
Either that be traditionally prostitution or being dancers. But more common now is only-fans, Instagram, tik-tok, and other social media.
Women have hundreds of avenues to make a profit in the hundreds of thousands of dollars at a very young age. While the average man at the same age would just get by working minimum wage jobs or make a little better pay through backbreaking manual labor. That is why more workplace deaths are men, and why men work more hazardous jobs. We need to struggle to make a living.
Or the other option which are illegal but offer jobs where you don’t need to break your back, but only risk your entire future. Why do you think men are drawn into criminal work? Selling drugs etc? Drawback is more men are in the prison system then women.
Again, because for men to make money we need more then just our looks.
Men are inherently born with no value in comparison to women. Men have to create value in life, while women can just be.
Women have the option to exploit their bodies and make a net worth of millions by the time they are 25 off of the sexual market. Why this is to begin with? For women to make this much money from men online is because there is a direct imbalance in the sex market.
But to you, it is empowering to make profit off of exploiting men?
The average man is having less sex then ever before. This again is from statistics.
Due to the introduction of online dating, a woman can get option from hundreds of men. From which they only choose the 1 or 2% of the best which she’d label ‘attractive’.
But tell me how many men can fit the modern woman’s expectations from a man?
Such as having a six figure salary?
All women look for something that is better, they believe they deserve the cream of the top.
Do men think the same? No.
Why is it that men are perfectly fine with dating a mcdonalds worker, and women are not?
Why it is that every woman if not look for money from a man, look for ambition and goals?
Is it the same with men? No.
You want to discuss equality as if we are the same. But the reality is we are different. You only want the benefits of being a man but not the drawbacks. You don’t want the manual labour jobs but the jobs in the managerial positions. You don’t want to die with men in the frontlines as soldiers but sit back and complain about patriarchy.
Men are distilled not to complain about our problems but only listen to yours. But it is statistically proven that an average man’s life is far harder then a woman’s life can ever be.
You do not share our difficulties in life, and you have zero empathy for any difficulties men have. And you expect modern men to give you any empathy in return?
@@hans3443 you already lost me when you immediately disrespected sex workers. No amount of crying like man child will make you look any less than emotional immature and not ready foe adult conversation. You literally started by making human fucking rights into a competition. This ladies is why the XY is a plague.
Amazing work as always! Don't let the bastards grind you down.
amazing how a few people in the comments can ignore how smart and well structured this analysis is and become so angry just because it talks about women (even though it's not just about women)... but hey, feminism isn't necessary, right?
feminism is necessary because there are people that disagree with you?
Feminism is cancer
Ed McKenzie feminism is the equality between genders. Attaching child-like slurs to it says more about you than the movement.
Boxjuice feminism is needed for the excact reason the video said. We categorize and objectify women. Hurting everyone, men and women alike.
Feminism is not only not needed, but it's detrimental to society because political movements only serve to pit us against each other and make us tribalistic. What we need is to not attach words to sets of beliefs. If you really cared about equality, you wouldn't be so attached to an inherently collectivist movement. It has done good things in the past, but it accomplished its goals, women are equal in the eyes of the law and so feminism needs to die. But it isn't going to because the nature of such movements isn't to help society first and foremost, but to survive.
Are there bad things still happening to women? Yeah, and there always will be. Bad things happen to men too. But the only way forward is through a focus on logic and freedom in our society, and that can't be accomplished through left wing economic thought *or* right wing social views.
As a man. I’m so so sorry that women have to go through this or feel this way from the actions of men. I can’t even watch this show. It’s just to much and hits home. I have sisters i would never want this for them or anyone
I have a sister. She must get 10 dick pics a month from guys she does not know
lol
Boy Freitag fiction my ass. Your a clown. Do you even not know the actual global statistics when it comes to women’s rights globally? Or the track record of Russia on women’s rights? Assuming you don’t from your half assed comment with no substance your a dipshit
All women are so grateful to have you cry for them Im sure
@@greatsword6365 in 2022 he would be criticised for implicitly giving the definition of a woman by the woke elitists
it's ALWAYS WORTH IT to be kind, and treat everyone with respect. always.💞
thank you for another great video!
yeah but it's not the message of the book/show. They did a bad job on that. The message is "revolt and unite against the patriarchy", "don't submit" "don't become an ally of your own opression" , even if you might lose your legs or life" . Not "be nice" , they could not be more wrong .
lol . Try again. What are you doing on an handmaid's tale video again? how come guys like you always think that they can pass the educational studie of history or litterature out of youtube and actually effectively argue against educated people?
This is such a great analysis of The Handmaid's Tale!
I happened to come across this interesting video four years after it was made. I write this in the summer of 2022, immediately after Ro has fallen. Everyone around the world who would watch this video would also be familiar with where my country seems to be headed in 2022. The truth now, I think, is that women, LGBTA folks, people of color, those in poverty and many independent thinkers can understand the symbolism here; and the in depth explanation is appreciated. But it is also is frightening how I am almost afraid to watch the series again, because it feels less symbolic than ever now. Similar to what they say about history, life may not exactly repeat what is depicted in art, but it often rhymes with what art has foretold.
Despite my trepidation, I believe it is important for all of us (in the US) who care about equality to watch this series , even if you have already watched it. Everything here has changed; there are far too many, decent, good, people, unknowingly, allowing themselves to boil just like the frog Offred compares society to in one of the episodes; when the heat is raised slowly, we, like the frogs, don't know they are being boiled to death until it is too late
Like you, I'm here in the summer of 2022 and I feel exactly like you feel. The difference is I'm way past menopause, but with all that's happening in the United States, my fear of a missed period in 1966 at age 20 is right back with me. I am so worried for young women. And ten year old little girls.😭 Women must turn out the hundreds of millions to vote on their own behalf in the midterms.
Orwell said very clearly that his work wasn't a prediction of the future, effectively guaranteeing that it was a reflection of his opinions of humanity at the time of writing without even reading it (though reading it compounds this further). It's the same with the Handmaid's tale, for sure. It's all social commentary.
Christianity, e.t.c.
I read this story at school, not more than a few years after it was first published.
In the last few years, it's becoming more and more unsettlingly prophetic.
1:54 repeat after me kids: Mary.Magdalene.was.not.a.prostitute.
good.
Handmaid's Tale is a great awakening to western women and their privilege in the world. The world depicted in the series is not that far-fetched for many women in this world, and worse is enabled not only by very patriarchal systems but also political and economic systems that profit off the backs of resource-full countries where innocent women and children are the collateral damage.
It's all a circle.
Men and women are victimized and benefitted equally by society in general. I'm confused why we don't see violence against men as a problem. It's always about misogyny to the western ideology. I can't help but see this as coddling women which is a natural patriarchal impulse. Women are complainers and men are stoic. Feminism hasn't really disrupted or commented on that dynamic in any meaningful way.
@@Bradley_Lute because while men suffer issues as well, it’s not as bad. I agree it does need to be discussed, but we don’t need to taint women’s spaces where they’re talking about their pain by saying “oh but men too!”. That’s like invalidating men’s pain cause “it happens to women too!!” Just because something is worse doesn’t mean something else isn’t worth anything, but it does mean we shouldn’t ignore bigger things just cause minor stuff happens too.
@@Bradley_Lute I would look into actual feminism, not anything that’s “new” feminazis or misandrist shit. Actual feminists, which fights for men’s and women’s fights. Like for example Ruth Bader Ginsburg who fought for many women’s rights, but ALSO changed so much for men. It’s out there, you need to do your research instead of diminishing women’s pain yk. Again I do agree men’s issues need to be talked about, but they’re not about the same, so please don’t say that.
@@Daisy-kg4ho there isn't good evidence that women have it worse and furthermore woman's issues aren't separate from men's issues because our issues are generally caused by our own gender and the opposite gender.
And with Roe v. Wade being overturned, The Handmaid’s Tale ie one step closer to becoming reality.
And I have one less reason to breathe.
What blows my mind is that if society is obsessed with reproduction and having children is "doing the work of God", mothers/fertile women should be considered the purest of all people and thus hold the most power. I do understand that Atwood brilliantly used oppressive techniques that have actually existed in our world but that in itself is terrifying, to know that women can and have been the ones oppressed regardless of the value of their function in such a regime.
EX-ACTLY!
In a later season, Fred admits that it was never actually about that. It’s just the cover story for total control
@@reasonablewalk4982 ...and this is what we see in the US today - removing rights from anyone that they don't agree with, passing laws that disproportionately target trans people or women, spreading propaganda that drag acts are "sexualising kids", that any book that so much as mentions the existence of LGBTQ+ people is "pornographic", and banning such books from libraries.
It's never been about "protecting the kids" - it's always been about total control. The Republican party in the US will not be satisfied until they have an authoritarian dictator in power, with women back in their place as "two-legged wombs", PoC back in chains, and LGBTQ+ people back in the closet. They've become so confident and so blatant, that they're not even pretending anymore.
This is only about making women suffer. That is what men and some women want. They want suffering as if no one has ever suffered.
Be brave and keep hope alive. Well said.
When watching The Handmaid's Tale, I mostly think about _HOW_ this - all of it - was allowed to happen. The action that was taken was too little, & too late. I wonder if men like Nick & Luke (the regular men) were on-board at the beginning, until it was too late, and *their* lives/livelihood was threatened as well, making it too late for them to stop the ball from rolling downhill as it gathered speed/momentum. Excellent review, as always. 😊❤️
angie 808 hmmm yeah I always thought how relaxed Like was when her bank account got cut off. If that was my husband I hope he would have said that was the final straw and move me out th country. I know they did speak about it and they settled on staying but I would have hoped he was uncomfortable enough with it to push me out no matter how much I persisted
Well, here we are in Gilead. MayDay.
Wouldn't necessarily say that The Republic Of Gilead is based in the future, but rather in an alternate present, which is what it makes it even MORE terrifying.
Hey, women in Saudi can get DL now!! Woohooo! pogress!
Still occasional stoning from time to time, people need their entertainment /s
This analysis is genius!.. You said everything that's been on my mind while watching the show, but in a much more well-structured format!
Best serial so far...its impact is very effective...hats off to the writer ,director , producer n THE ACTORS... performing so well..dat u also become part of their emotional journey..n sometimes its scary too...
When I was younger I used to be pro-life.
As i got older I changed my mind after seeing the handmaid’s tale as well as looking more into the consequences of not allowing a woman’s right to choose. I am now pro-choice. I feel devastated at the overturning of roe v wade as an almost 18 year old woman. I don’t know what’s to come next from this decision, but I hope us women can stand together and support each other during this time & after in post roe America.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum, sisters.
i’m so sorry.
No one’s forcing you to get pregnant, dummy
@@caseclosed9342 What about r*pe?
Whether you are pro-abortion or not, this was the right decision legally. You may not like it, but you were lied to by the Roe & Casey justices who told you abortion was a constitutional right. This Court set things straight & now it’s where it belongs: in the hands of the ppl.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 we punish rapists by send them to prison where they get to experience it themselves
@@InfoLunix except it's not in the hands of the people, it's in the hands of the Elite of states, that are going to ban ab0rt10n.
Brilliant analysis. I think every woman should read this book or watch the series. It is vital for our understanding of modern day look to women
Had to watch this again today in mourning of the overturning of Roe V. Wade. The video says, "The show warns us against the small taking away of our rights." Yep. Today we start down a dark path. When religion determines law, history shows us again and again that things go downhill very fast.
Whether you are pro-abortion or not, this was the right decision legally. You may not like it, but you were lied to by the Roe & Casey justices who told you abortion was a constitutional right. This Court set things straight & now it’s where it belongs: in the hands of the people.
I think you're the only woman besides me who's come here following the overturning of Roe v Wade. This video is 4 years old. I swore I wasn't going to look at the replies to your knowledgeable comment, but I did. Big mistake. The ignorance and misogyny is everywhere here. There will be no end to this. Unless women turn out by the millions in the midterms to vote for the right to have control over their own bodies. Does anyone really believe that if the daughter of a so-called Christian Republican was raped, or even impregnated by her father (hardly a rare scenario), she wouldn't be whisked to a State where or country where abortion is legal? Religion is the worst thing ever to happen to the human race. It'll be the end of it too.
You mean the right to kill?
@The Paradox Destroyer if you want to go into detail, I dont mind schooling you
@The Paradox Destroyer blowhard lol
You don't have to cower away, if you are knowledgeable enough to argue your viewpoint on abortion then by all means bring it forward :)
I’ve watched this brilliant series twice over, and it’s scary how much it’s like the days we live in now in many ways
I read the book last summer, just before starting to watch the series on HBO. I wasn't aware that the book was ambiented in the 80's because it felt SO present day-like. It's so sad to realize that we are more opressed than we think we are, but maybe this realization will turn out to be an awakening for a revolution. Love your videos girls!
Sara Bestea +
Do you live in an Islamic theocracy?
Because the western world is oh so oppressive
It's not on hbo though
Amy Sternheim good. Our military would run better without having to lower standards or provide special services. Both of which weaken the military.
I'm here because this is exactly what is happening right now in Poland.
I just saw the video that the guardian made on abortions in Poland and honestly, it’s terrifies me
What is happening in Poland??
I hope everything turns out alright
Absolute bollocks, quit exaggerating
@@reubensearle8200 Even the taliban has let women be educated I will give a 0% chance of this happening across an entire country.
She's defining a human struggle by helping people understand what that struggle could lead to. It's timeless.
Every time I think I know how great is this channel there is a new video that probes me wrong and shows me it's even better. I love your work!
This hits differently in 2022
This video should have millions of views. It really helps to explain the importance and the imagery used in this series and book. When I told a friend about this show her response was “oh well now we know what the left is afraid of,” implying that a sinister leftist part of the population were afraid of so called “God fearing people.” But the importance of this story is not to emphasize the dangers of religion, but of how an oligarchy will use any means necessary to achieve power. It is in no way an attack on religion, but a mirror to the dangers we face in current day society. Thank you thank you thank you for making this video.
It is terrifying that this is basically Project 2025.
the book/novel is amazing. it's timeless-- it can be set anywhere past, present or future and it's setting can be anywhere too.
Rewatching this video because this week, and the precedent it is setting, is making this hit all too close to home.
LOVE Everything this channel puts out, man.
My uterus hurt when I tried to watch this show. Seriously, I started to get cramps. I can’t watch movies/shows about slaves, child abuse, and the subjugation and abuse of women. It’s triggering af and makes me cry!
Susannah and Debrah, you just made me love you even more. THIS IS BEYOND BEAUTIFUL!
you are one of the most insightful film channels out there. with every video you've made me remember why i absolutely love film/tv and the messages behind them, great work you guys
The show isn't set in the future. It's an alternative history.
This season helped me realize this is supposed to take place a lot closer to now. June’s mom is a Millennial (singing Hollaback Girl while June looks at her as if she is singing something ancient)
June's mom is meant to be a Boomer, having protested in the women's movements in the 70s when Roe was first enacted, which is why she was sentenced to the colonies. She's too old for childbearing and was a pro-choice activist. That's why June is looking at her weird for singing Holla back.
June herself is meant to be an elder Millennial/Millennial.
POV: you're watching this in 2022 and Roe v. Wade has been overturned..
We all know why we’re all here.
Seriously creepy to watch this now.
The Handmaid's Tale is about fascism. Atwood believed that wherever fascism arose, it was shrouded under-not caused by-a cultural or religious identity. In America, this means that fascism would exist under the face of Christianity. That doesn't mean that it's a cautionary tale about Christianity or Islam and that doesn't mean it isn't-just that, at it's heart, it's not really about the religion itself.
It was about her view of Afghanistan after she visited with her family in 1978, so Islam.
Exactly. I don’t understand why people don’t understand this. They just feel attacked and think that it’s putting a bad image on Christianity. They can’t even see through their religious smoke & mirrors to realize that religion puts you in a very limited box, makes you judge people, takes away your right to decide morality when in your heart of hearts you know what is truly right. Having grown up Catholic and having to unlearn catholic guilt, I know now that it is okay to challenge everything that has been decided for me since before I got here. I’m not going to put myself into the confines of a religion and limit the love i have for all walks of people and possibilities in this life
One of the biggest parallels I've noticed between this show and present society is how similar the treatment of handmaids is to the treatment of dairy cows in factory farms. Both are valued solely for what their reproductive function. Both are raped until they conceive, and once they give birth, the child/calf is taken away. Then both are forced to pump milk, until they can't anymore, and then the cycle starts over again and they are raped again. When they can't give anymore, they are sentenced to death (sent to the colonies or butchers). It's such a strong parallel that it surprises me that nobody mentions it, sadly, it's probably because many people don't know what really happens to dairy cows. In fact, I don't know if Margaret Atwood even intended for this parallel, but if she did, it's definitely one of the most effective and subtle arguments against animal agriculture I've ever seen, as many people who aren't vegan would still want to watch this show or read the book.
Yes your absolutely right
That's what stood out to me so clearly. And not just dairy cows, but the meat/dairy/egg industries altogether. The way we treat other beings on the planet, in general. As though their only value is in what they can do for us. I watched it wishing deeply that other people would notice, however uncomfortably, that parallel. 😔
Well, I take it that you have never been around a bovine pair really enjoying themselves. Let me tell you, they REALLY do. Rape? Are you for real? The Egyptians had their goddess of love, Hathor represented by a cow. After knowing many of them, this is utterly logical. I have even seen an exhausted bull trying to sneak off from his overly amorous sweetie only to get ganged up on by the rest of the ladies. Oh, the poor boy later went to hide in some dense brush just to get some respite. He snuck out at least a day later on the other side of the creek all calm and collected, but the girls were on the other side, VERY frustrated. Yes, they very much enjoy sex. I rather wonder if you know that you can?
@@ladyaurelia1099 I have a horse (a mare), and I've seen this play out countless times. That is not what happens in breeding environments. I'm sure you know this.
@@ladyaurelia1099 look up how the dairy industry works, then you will understand what I mean. I'm not talking about cows having sex, I'm talking about humans taking cow semen and forcing it with their hands into a female cow in order to impregnate her
I loved the concept of the show but after watching the first episode I found myself REALLY angry and disturbed. I couldnt continue watching it. Maybe one day Ill go back to it because I feel people can learn alot from it. Thank you so much for those awesome videos! I true love your analysis
anybody else cried so hard almost every 5 minutes of the show because it felt so much like the reality we live in?
I read the book back in high school. As an adult, it still turns my stomach. It's still the same character - Offred but she still remembers "present day" where women were allowed to own property and choose relationships.
I didn't cry, but there were lots of times I realized I'd stopped breathing.
That scene where they hug Janine after she gave birth is everything❤
Well here we are folks....
It's sad that so many people find the message of this series so neccesary instead of absolutly obvius.
“Be brave and keep hope alive”. Nothing more true and helpful than that, especially where we are now.❤😢
هذا أعظم فديو اتفرجته في حياتي
This is the greatest video I've ever seen in my life
God i love this channel 😍
The Shape of Water presentation imho remains their best, but kudos to screenprism for consistently providing a level of analysis that elevates our collective understanding of film and other media. Here’s to future posts !!!🥂 🍻
Another note on the "men suffer too" section is that in the original novel written by Margerette Atwood, any men who didn't fit what the christofascist theocracy wanted, ended up being nuetured and forced into slavery (eg. Same sex attracted men, men who had been in prior relationships, racial minorities etc.)
2020 in the US, I am reminded of this show as I watch the news.
The author wasn't "on some level" reflecting what she saw around her. She is very clear everything in "The Handmaid's Tale" was actually happening somewhere on the planet. Kind of lame you don't even know that and then act like you have some insight into the story.
Today, this is simply a documentary
I would like to add something about 'our society'. I think Atwood and the series mean the US society, especially. I feel that the US, with its outspoken Christian culture, as a country, will slide down when things fall apart. You can see this happening right now. It's not a far fetched idea, that a nation like the US, can slip away into military and religious dictatorship. Like Iran.
America is the glorified TALIBAN.
I subscribed to your channel because i love your perspective on things... This one is just awesome! i LOVED it
When this popped up in my feed, I was like the timing couldn't have been more perfect.
Then I saw how old the video is 😱
The novel was written in 1985! It's horrifying.
Susannah and Debrah, you're in the category of awesome. Thanks for another great analysis.
4 years later and it’s even more true today
Watching this in 2022. So sad
What’s so sad?
Well done ladies. Very impressed with the care and thought that was put into this video. Definitely subscribing.
saying hi from 2022 and crying
So... as the reversal of Roe v. Wade looms... This video seems so fucking prophetic.
The Season 2 opener - i.e., the would-be mass-execution at Fenway Park - reminded me of that soccer stadium in Kabul that became a site of mass-executions under the Taliban.
The stonings, the sheet between the GYN and the patient, Emily’s genital mutilation... So much of it is derived from Islamist fundamentalism and the enslavement of women.
I’m a liberal but I’m not blind to reality... Today’s most systemic abuses against women occur in Islamist societies. It’s all about culture and not at all about religion. But, as Bill Maher says all the time, we should speak out against these abuses, like we spoke out against apartheid in South Africa.
After roe v wade was overturned this book matters more then ever
Watching this again in 2022, yikes…
Good analysis! I read this book 30 years ago and found it very moving and disturbing. I'm happy to see this film adaptation at this time, as Christian extremists seek to get increased favoritism from our government. People need to be aware of the atrocities that religious extremists have historically committed, continue to commit in many cultures, in varying degrees, and will be happy to bring to the USA today if they are allowed to increase their unjust influence.
And yet, nobody notices the growing Communist movement.
Very true Jennifer. People are focused on the middle east when its closer to home. The Bible belt is truly a threat to humanity and it will happen, mark my words. Religious people are becoming crazy and angry at societal rejection of their mad ideologies that they will reach a point where they will infact ENFORCE it on the peoples of the world.
Same. And now the extreme right SCOTUS has brought it all to fruition.
Honestly the best thing to do with videos on topics of oppression is to NOT scroll through the comments. Just when you find a little hope that the world is heading towards justice you find bigots all over to debunk that.
You guys are genius, every video and analysis you guys put out are always so true and thought out 💯