Has Final Fantasy 14 Killed World of Warcraft?
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'No king rules forever, my son'
Terenas Menethil
Has World of Warcraft been beaten by Final Fantasy 14?
Or...
Has World of Warcraft been so badly handles, mislead and broken over the last few years, players are leaving to look for a higher quality MMO, and FF14 just happens to be there when they need it?
Either way, the reign of King WoW, may be coming to a close.
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"The best received update was the removal of 17 years of updates!" Man, what a line!
That one kinda hurt.
not realy people are idiots
What's wrong with Conan?
@Aggromemnon Yeah, I was a little curious cuz I just got it during the recent Steam sale, about to build my first T3 base and got curious.
what is conan?
“MMOs aren’t Highlanders - there can be more than 1.” Ha ha ha! Brilliant! :o)
FF14 only NEEDS one Highlander... The Asmongold!
it is reference to what? I heard it multiple times lately
@@_Leouch Highlander is one of the playable races in FF14 that not many players pick. Asmongold's FF14 character is a Highlander. (Google FF14 Highlander)
@@kampferpl7759 I thought he was referring to MTG Highlander (commander format) which there can be only one of each card.
@@kentho7093 May be. I have no knowledge on MTG. LOL
"if your game is dying, it goes into a death cycle that is very hard to escape from"
how ironic is it that the game that actually did survive it is the one that might take the throne
I see the the entire remaining Shadowlands player base has downvoted this video
Biologist in me: Thats just natural selection
Wow has had a mass exodus more than once, this has been a very long, up and down inevitable fall.
There's a chance it survives the decade... A chance.
@@DBExplorer Usually I'd protest that evolution occurs on a population or species level and so natural selection wouldn't really apply here, but MMOs do sorta operate on the population level so I guess natural selection is a pretty apt metaphor.
Yoshida was basically the messiah leading FF14 from the land of the dead to the promised land. Something that I don’t think any other MMO team could accomplish besides maybe Warframe if you count that.
WoW doesn't need FFXIV to kill it. They're doing a splendid job on their own!
Exactly, all FF had to do was be competent
💯
That's true
My thoughts exactly.
@@traviswreynolds plenty to choose from in that case. FF is more then competent or else this video would not be here
Blizzard: You turned them against me!
Square Enix: You have done that yourself.
Or.
"They were never ours in the first place, they choose on a whim, and leave on a whim, so we adapted ourselves to make a product regardless if they come or not".
No company or games owns the playerbase.
They may have communities forming within, but these communities are never a sense of ownership for said team.
Activision: DEW IT!
"you were the chosen one, you were supposed to make good games, not destroy them"
*crispy Activision breathing noises
Blizzard to its player base: *I HATE YOU*
Player base: *You were my brother!*
@@SexycuteStudios Players and the courts: It's over Blizzard! We have the high ground!
Blizzard: You underestimate the power of capitalism!
I think maybe it might also be in part to the love ffxiv recieved from the developers because I think Square Enix originally made the mistake of overestimating players loyalty to the franchise, and from what I remember it nearly killed them entirely. I think the lessons learned from 1.0 were incredibly valuable to Square Enix and the community as a whole.
FFXIV slowly improved their game over time. Blizzard it's the other way around
Well not really. Our lord and savior Yoshida alone saved FF14 with his bold but measured and earnest decisions saving it from the terrible choices by its former dev team. For proof just look at Square Enix’s choice for Dev team for FF15 and making another unreasonable deadline lead it to be so much less then what it could have been and it’s a miracle the backlash wasn’t larger then it was given all the cut content.
Wants to give a thumbs down for seeing a thematically inconsistent mug...
gives a thumbs up instead for realizing a TH-camr made me care about thematic mug consistency.
My favorite mug gag is when he swapped the pikachu mug to a plushie and i didnt even notice until i rewatched it
@@ratoh1710 what video??
@@amanda1271 His previous one, the one on asmondgold.
Well like, how could he have a thematic mug, that's asking a lot of a...........oh, there is an Alliance Mug on the shelf.
thats lovely
short answer: no. blizz is the one trying to kill wow.
> Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
Say Activision dude
Was going to make a comment saying this.
Blizz has been making really stupid design decisions for about eight years. A lot of the die hard fans are just now seeing what millions of others saw years ago.
I’l sign that
@no or maybe yes blizzard has been relying on Chinese $$$, at least in part, for the last several years. RMT gold sellers have made up a good, meaty chunk of WoW's recurring subs for the last decade or more, and that number has only grown
"No other game is going to make World of Warcraft worse." *Proceeds to get interrupted by a Shadowlands ad*
haHAA
*cough* adblock *cough*
@@professordj9327 you got covid?
how do you still get ads on youtube in 2021?
They probably want to support this guy because he always whines about getting demonetized.
Back when I played like a crack addict during the original TBC, online warhammer 40k and LotR mmo came out. The forums were clamoring with fears which one would be the WoW killer. One post claimed “The only WoW killer will be Wow.” That was back in 2008. A true prophet indeed…
Damn
Thats actually insane cause it could have positive meaning (it cant be killed by anyone) or negative (suicid* death)...
Warhammer Online.....the nostalgia hurts. That game coulda been something.
God, it’s terrible how true this is. I want WoW to be great. I want it to be what it can be. There were so many interesting ideas! But, they go back to the same storylines… just with new mechanics.
Wait a minute! There was a Warhammer 40k MMO and I missed it?!
FF14 developers have been spending more time trying to make their players happy. Blizzard has been just trying to make their investors happy. That alone speaks for itself.
maybe ff14 investors play the game
Case in point, subs are down for WoW, but profits are up.
Billzard is long gone it is all Activision now
Sokken alone working through his cancer just to bring us beautifully written music, in the hospital bed 😭💜
@@estousemcriatividadepraumnome Yoshi-P's a purple parsing BLM in savage content. They do play.
I'm only half listening to him talk honestly, that cup hes holding had my full attention lol
Fair
To be fair, it's not "quitting an addiction" as much as it is switching it.
"I finally quit my heroine addiction by switching to crack"
In FFXIV it's hardly an addiction when you can take a break for a few days and not feeling like you're missing out something. Just logging in to meet my friends were my main reason.
@@DuoMaxwellDS it helps that Yoshi-P actively wants people to take breaks when they start feeling burnt out.
That didn't stop them from making Yokai, though. Twice.
I mean... Quitting meth for cigarettes is at least an improvement.
IMO it's the same drug, different supplier
That "No king rules forever" line at the end must have been so satisfying.
Dude, I was gonna say this lmao
That line just crushed my soul. So many memories and friends and history with that game... and I'm playing final fantasy, on day 3, while watching this video now. :-/
@@ItsJustMe0585 The memories aren't going anywhere. Play whatever game is fun for you right now.
Thats definitely been the phrase people have been using around this whole topic. I think the first person I saw using it was Bellular, but im sure others said it before him, too.
But yeah, it really does get the idea across. So its a cliche I'm okay with.
Does life imitate art or does art imitate life?
I remember for years every time a big MMO was announced “this is the WoW killer” “will this kill WoW” “WoW Killer WoW killer WoW killer”
Ffxiv didn’t kill WoW. WoW just kind of went and did a self lobotomy.
The phrase itself is stupid, particularly because the lead designer of FFXIV loves WoW, there are devs in both games that love the other's games, and FFXIV never set out to "kill" WoW, or "beat" WoW. It just wanted to be its own thing in its own corner. And it's done so, successfully!
The only reason WoW is "losing" is because that's the way most WoW-heads see the MMO space, as a competition.
@@ixis yes and no. WoW really is losing not just some made up competition but thanks to all these allegations. Their devs are going on strike, players are leaving (many cause they’re unhappy, others in solidarity) and work on the game has all but stopped as the CEOs deal with this ever growing crisis.
You’re right. Ffxiv didn’t set out to beat wow. It just wanted to be its own thing. But it seems the devs at WoW forgot how to do that.. they got so used to swinging their weight around. Releasing stuff the same weeks as other MMOs just to over shadow them. Throwing out new stuff after new stuff with no regards to their players.
The WoW killer was its own parent company Blizzard. And Activision as soon as that merge happened
100%. Also Jeff Stri-Face is great. Keep up the good work.
It was certain from the start this would happen. There’s no new player interest. And old players won’t play it forever. Wow levelling is utterly broken and they always break previous content after a new expansion. This happened even before cataclysm. It’s the game’s nature. You either keep up or end up with a broken game.
@@icewolf6062 i agree with you. I never want to touch blizzard again after the allegations and knowing how they treat their workers generally. I grew up playing blizzard games. It’s like discovering your uncle has always been an abhorrent criminal.
"Father, is it over?"
"At Long last, no king rules forever my son."
"I see only, catgirls before me....."
And people playing Instruments on the Bridges in Grandinia lol
@larva asbungold
*’I see only, Bunny Bois before me….’
And potatoes
I made a dragon girl...
As Blizzard taught us many years ago "Don't you have phones?"
Bad omen for them in few years later, lol
Is this a late april joke?😆
They think we do, but we don't :p
Considering the themes of Endwalker, I find it funny that FF14 persevered despite basically sabotaging its original launch whereas WOW has basically chosen to self-destruct after having arguably reached the peak of its genre.
In my opinion Jesse Cox put it best: WoW is an MMORPG while FFXIV is an RPGMMO. XIV is everything I ever dreamed WoW could be. Primary focus on storytelling, able to play all classes on a single character, a friendly community that is there to help support each other and focus on the casual play. In the course of a year Eorzea turned from just another MMO I was willing to try to my virtual home.
What's funny is that WoW was at its best when it wasn't focused on Storytelling... Because, as it turns out, WoW writers don't know how to write a good story. They want to be complex and have plans within plans and villains playing 4D chess. It's like they saw Game of Thrones and thought that's what we all want. WoW always had a story but it wasn't really expressed well. In my opinion, WotlK and Legion were both the apotheosis of their story telling. Then, what happened to be a fantastic story in Legion somehow turned into BfA...
@@CallMeTeci Sadly, if you want to play a game where those people don't exist, online games in general don't sound like your kind of thing :p People see this kind of behavior from some people and think it's whole community. There are always bad apples.
You must’ve had a pretty shit experience dude. I’ve just put around 150 hours in and I’ve been pretty open with the rest of the community about what I don’t like, and I never met anyone who attacked me for it. Most of the time they agree with me (I also had some gripes with the online store and ARR story)
@@CallMeTeci Oh, no gatekeeping intended. I only mention this because what you're describing is... Well, every game online. Heck, even saying bad things about an offline singleplayer game gets you shit by that community.
That or you're VERY new to being online at all.
And TRUST me. I talk shit about FFXIV online store all the time. It shouldn't exist for a game that has box price AND a monthly to yearly sub.
However, it isn't the online store that is killing WoW, it's but one of many problems stacked on to of their shitting content.
I hate the FFXIV store but I can also look past it since they give content that is... Well... Fun. They actually care enough to want people having fun. And lets say that they are just another soulless corp... Doesn't really matter when they're making good content that gets people to stay. Even if it was all about the money, they at least have the basic business sense that...
Good content + Listening to your community = People staying.
@@CallMeTeci I would point out that the dye thing is pretty inoffensive as there's nothing you cant get ingame thats on the store on that front. Everything else....yeah its a problem
At this rate we're gonna need to read the patreon supporters with a microscope....
He's gonna have to upscale the video to fit them all in, eventually.
Imagine treating people who spend money to help fund you like that. Might as well as not show them in the vid. Have a shout-out or feature tier or put them in the description
nah buy an 8k 80inch screen......that should do u for a few more months atleast :D
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac Imagine donating because you like the content, not because you need your name to appear at the end of a video
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac literally no other YTer I've seen does more than just thank them verbally.
WoW got complacent years ago, and now that it's showing the corporate executives with no idea how video games are even liked are going to panic and force a lot of changes none if their customers want, which will only kill it faster.
Right? When they desperately try to monetize everything and bleed it for its last drops of blood ... oh wait they did that.
My prediction is that Activision will not want to invest a cent into making the game better, because the bean-counters don't understand how to invest in a product. So they'll keep cutting corners, reducing budgets, and firing employees. The game will get cheaper and cheaper, which will trigger even more people to bail out as the game turns to crap.
The king no longer has a crown of rare jewels and gems and lined in gold. It's a Burger King crown. Not that I like this perception I have of it. I used to be a diehard Blizzard gaming fanatic, WoW AND its other titles.
I have to laugh because that's actually what people call the symbol that people who have mentor status in XIV is called: a burger king crown
It's a sad feeling honestly...I remember how cool Blizzard used to be in the early days of WoW. Now they're a bunch of corporate shills who can't squeeze an ounce of originality out of their overworked developers.
More like it's a *fucking inflatable fucking crown*
@@1Br0cK Welp its what happens when blizzard is bought by a company who sold their soul to china and is as imfamous as EA
@@sydneysleeper9642 Yep! They're not wrong, either.
I’m reminded of the late Totalbiscuit a lot these days. He was one of, if not the first person to say that nothing can kill WoW except for WoW itself. I often wonder what he would think about this situation and being proven right if he were still around today.
I just wish he was around in general. Still noone has filled the hole he left behind in TH-cam Gaming.
May he rest in peace.
What he died? I used to watch his cataclysm beta gameplay. He dead? How?
@@thorbeorn4295 Cancer, 3 years ago. He battled it for some time as well, I think around 2 years or more.
I used to watch him and his podcast religiously. His death was the last time I cried.
I've been missing TB these days. I hope his family is doing ok.
I picked up FFXIV last July (shortly before this video came out) after realizing how unsatisfied I was with World of Warcraft's direction. I fell in love with it immediately. I appreciate that it is, in so many ways, the opposite of WoW. It's all about the story and journey, as opposed to WoW's rush to the endgame. I've been taking my sweet time about progressing (I've only just finished Heavensward) yet I've never felt like I was missing out just because I wasn't at the end. I love that when new content is added to FFXIV, the game gets bigger, instead of eliminating older content to make way for the new. The sense of community is also fantastic - most people I've encountered in FFXIV are much nicer than those I met while playing WoW! All in all, I couldn't be happier that I made the switch.
same here, played WoW excessively and competitively, but WoW made me leave WoW, not some other game - and FF14 is just a breath of fresh air, the story is great (especially with each new addon), the characters get close to you (like in a Bioware Title of ye olden days) and the combat can be as hard as you want it to be
Obi Wan: *You did that yourself*
Only Blizzard deals in absolutes.
Nope.
The Clickbait-Title didnt enhanced anything;
if anything, the Change of the Known/Familiar is
odd.
MMO's are social media before social media really took off. That is to say, they are games but they're also heavily governed by the "Network Effect" just as every social media platform is. Though in being games, they're also more complex and inherently more niche.
Around WOTLK Blizz seemingly forgot this key aspect of MMOs. Isn't a suprise that is when it started to see it's decline. Players still want to be able to play on your own but if you take away all incentives to encourage a thriving and welcoming community, then what is the point in playing an MMORPG?
I actually think that Discord had a larger impact on WoW than any other MMO. I can play single-player games, offline games, be watching TH-cam, etc all while still staying in contact through both voice chat and text chat. I don't have to be playing WoW or FF14 to stay connected to my friends I met in the game. Because of that, the sense of community that has kept me in WoW in the past is no longer tied specifically to that game.
In fact, I actually left WoW several years ago when my guild collapsed towards the beginning of BfA. I was already quite a bit tired of the direction of the game, and without the guild I had been in for several years by the point I didn't really feel much of a desire to continue playing. Since a good portion of my guild were still on Discord, I was seeing some of my friends posting pictures of FF14 and I decided to give it a try.
@@roetheboat1 discord isn't really something new, not the concept at least. most people were using MSN or MIRQ in the exact same way you're describing discord, long before discord was even a thing. discord is just an improved version of MSN, which people started using decades ago. i don't know how old you are, maybe you're too young to even know about MSN, but back in around 2002 and onwards MSN was absolutely massive, not just among gamers but among everyone with a computer and an internet connection.
@@ecMonify before msn n chats, mmos guilds are connected via members-only forums,in game chat n message boards like a sharepoint of faqs/help . its imperative for members to be nice to each other to get latest news on updates to help progression n trade. but youtube n chats & other online guides removed it. so most ppl can be assholes n still progress in game now lolx.
I'm 28 years old and I remember PC gaming in 2004-2009 when people used msn, x fire and teamspeak to stay in contact. I've never used discord in my life and the last PC game I played was wotlk in 2009. Streamers and discord killed mmos to me, its not the same anymore
Honestly I hate this whole "kill the other MMOs" mentality. It just creates unnecessary tension between people who like different games. Yoshida himself said that he loves WoW and took note on some of the things they did in WoW over the years.
Just because FFXIV is skyrocketing, doesn't mean it "killed" anything. WoW was dying since cataclysm.
nah WoW with its milking business model should burn to the ground and die
@@LyonPercival But you know that it is not gonna happen this way. It will loose it's prominent position, but Blizzard is not gonna let it go anytime soon.
I love that you said that, because it's so true. Any old game will have passed its peak, but wow has stood the test of time compared to other MMOs. WoW's been "dying" for over a decade now... at some point that is called living!
@@Accuratetranslationservices Guild Wars 2 was DOA according to every hardcore WoW fanboy and has always been dead apparently, yet it's got over a million players on the Americas megaserver alone, 10 years after its release. MOST "dead game" claims on mainstream MMOs are exaggerated. Most of the time it's one game's fanbase pretending the competition is dead so people don't leave. It's annoying because that was the reason I never played GW2 until now, because my friends who have played WoW with me since around 2013 kept lying about the game being dead as they were told the same by other people.
Not sure if it has killed it yet, but I must say, the amount of sprouts in FFXIV in the past few months is a sight to behold
I played FFXIV since 2.0, the servers were never full back then bro, and ofc there were a lot of dead servers. Now days every single server you login is full, whether people hate of love the game, you cant deny FFxiv today is full of people. They are even creating a new Data center for Ocenia players because the Devs notice there were a lot of them. I believe Endwalker will be the xpac that really makes FFxiv set itself apart as #1. The game is sooo hype at the moment without any new patch, just on it own, imagine how is gonna be when the xpac drops.
I finally lost my sprout 🌱 😭
@@PhenomRom im not gonna lie, i miss mine dude. its been 5 years T.T
Definately! I just returned to FFXIV myself after a hiatus - Shadowbringers healer changes made me quit, I really, REALLY loath them - on a prefered world. Oh my god, the number of players running around is insane! I am really enjoying it.
@@GardenOfSilver thats great man, and guess what, your gonna be getting a new healer class soon. It was about time, healers got some love ya know, i know the healers changes was a rough time, but its all heading towards the right direction now.
-Everyone saying wow killed itself
-3 mins into the vid, him saying wow killed itself
*-“hmm I think wow killed itself”*
I'm not sure. Did wow kill itself?
Keep in mind that there are people that only read the video title and then comment.
@@TheRandomLetsplays that’s a lot of ppl
As a ex rabid fan boy I will confirm wow killed itself. Its a story all to common now so ill just leave it at that. You can ask any ex wow player and get the same story
hm, yes, the "wow killed itself" here is made of "wow killed itself.
Is it just a coincidence that the "No king rules forever line" was in the last expansion before activision took over?
i feel like its not. notice how WoW started to slowly decline after wotlk as well :D ?
activision took over HALF WAY through wotlk.
@Dennis Engelen: That is called foreshadowing at its finest.
@Dizzy Gear if you thinkin activision "just showed up one day and joined blizzard" you must be hell of a naive guy lol.
@@petarradelic4869 Shhh, Blizzard can't be held responsible for its own mistakes.
WoW: "What is this? What are you doing, my son?"
FFXIV: "Succeeding you, father."
Except, in this instance, WoW stabbed itself in the throat.
This supposed influx is a bit late, been bored/very casual on XIV for years lol, waiting for actual innovation in this genre got me looking like a dusty skeleton. XIV's chief benefits over WoW are gonna be mostly cosmetic/narrative
What a cringe comment... I almost threw up.
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
The thing is it’s not the villain it’s just pure incompetence.
The games industry be like
@@chedder9999 That's the thing though... It really isn't a case of incompetence. Every bad decision was made intentionally to drive engagement or revenue. The devs can only build what the Activision Blizzard execs tell them to build.
@@chedder9999 Well chosing to release content to parry any potential opposition is kinda like how a villain do things. WoW used to always release a expansion or content patch when a new MMO came out or a expansion, which meant people payed attention to WoW again if only for a month. A month is a long time for a MMO who just released since the genre needs alot of players and it costs alot of money to run servers.
The reality "You either die a hero, or live long enough to die a nobody"
All villains see themselves as heroes.
The one guy who's spent years of promoting WoW killed it in few days 😂.. Well played Blizzard
Who?
@@HalIOfFamer asmongold
No, it wasn't one guy or one game.
It was a steady process of WoW pushing players away and other games chipping of players little by little.
There is no death blow, it's errosion. Entropy if you wanna be dramatic. Unless you constalty work against it entropy claims all.
To be fair they really mistreated not only him but many of their content creators. Just look at Pyro’s meltdown to see the end point of the mistreatment.
wow had to kill itself coz no other mmo was competent enough to do it including ffxiv, its an 18 year old game bro
They lived long enough to become the villain.
Blizzard became the villain when majority of their original founders left the company. I mean you had the whole entire fiasco with the Hong Kong and hearthstone incident which the last original founder of Blizzard left the company.
Yikes. Shoulda listened to Harvey Dent.
OK, but I really would like to hear Taquito Bandito's take on this 😟
He’s probably thinking Josh himself is just a green screen.
@@peterlopez2388 You mean he _isn't??_
“No king rules forever” I rofled there
Short answer: not really
Long answer: FF14 is the rebound mmo for those fed up with being taken for granted by Activision/Blizzard
Oh look, I pretty much directly guessed his thesis
Short answer: not really
Long answer: nooooooooooooooot reeeeeeaaally...?
As someone in the FF14 community--this isn't a new thing. 14's been getting refugees from WoW for years, even since ARR. What's happened is finally the die hards have finally noticed that the game that their friends left to actually cares about its players. While Ion is fumbling interviews with a diehard hardcore player trying to justify mechanics no one enjoys, Yoshi P is hotfixing things, responding to feedback, and then pouring his heart out on stage. The die hards noticed that.
I'm predicting that Ion is one bad interview away from losing Preach too.
*Has Final Fantasy 14 Killed World of Warcraft?*
*Has the western king of MMOs been dethroned by the eastern prince?*
_Meanwhile_
Me: I maxed a stat in runscape!
Gratz
Nice!
Woodcutting levels?
@@animeentranced1130 99
Honestly, all of the criticism made towards WOW can also be made for RuneScape. Only reason it isn't brought up is that the RuneScape player-base have convinced themselves that nobody quits the game and always come back.
@@paladinben nice.
even if ffxiv have 100 players remaining in 20 years i would still play it for the story
EXACTLY
There is one big reason why I’d rather play FFXIV over WoW… because it’s on console. I can play FFXIV on my PS5, PC, and my gaming laptop and use the same character.
nice
This
Blizzard is killing it more than anything else FFXIV has just been there for people to enjoy for years now plus its been getting better and better each expansion
yep
It's also funny how quickly FFXIV overtook FFXI, considering FFXIV had a rough launch and needed re-launched. Now hardly anyone plays FFXI.
@@Tall_Order hardly anyone remembers 11? Last I checked often 11 is mentioned way more in all the groups on social media than you say so 🤣
Also XIV getting such high praise because of one factor: Yoshi-P. He's made the game what it is with the team, listening to the fans. He's out his life into this game which people have noticed.
A company that is running well will not kill off its biggest money maker, but hey they are number one... Uh oh ...
@@IzzyCoventina The last time I downloaded FF11 and logged in I only found a few players roaming around. It left me feeling as I wasted a monthly fee to play a empty MMO.
Why is this a therapy session about my relationship
I didnt expect to be attacked like this
Anecdotally, I can confirm that more than just FFXIV is getting an influx of players. I booted up Guild Wars 2 recently after a long break and I kept running into new players. I think all of these players finally looking into other games is great for the genre.
Gw2 is incredible as a newbie, I already did the Final Fantasy MSQ and loved it, it was great but I treated that game like a single player RPG and I have no regrets but Guild Wars 2 legitimately feels like an MMO that I can really get sunk into.
@@nolabets3130 advice from a longtime player, just enjoy it. It unfortunately gets to a point where the only thing you can do is grind for cosmetics, but it's a wonderful time before that.
Agreed, ESO player here, a lot of people is coming in.
If I didn't play ffxiv, I would play gw2. It is a lot of fun. I just don't have time for more than 1 mmo :(
Well people are bored after being stuck home for a year and a half and nobody wants to work. It was bound to happen
After watching this video and you know how hard it is to get players to leave their "nest"
then you have to give Blizzrd credit for their efforts even the hardcore player leaves the sinking ship
In RuneScape we have a famous saying "You can't quit, you can only take long breaks"
WoW has had a cycle of people just not playing until patches and xpacs for years now, I really don't think FFXIV is the ultimate WoW killer. It's like how people like talking about migrations in the United States. New York had a slight population decline in 2020 because migrant workers weren't able to work in New York under COVID restrictions and loads of journalists are already saying New York is dying due to an unflattering technicality. Patch 9.1 sucked and FFXIV had recent events, alongside a couple streamers claiming to quit WoW, so it looks like WoW is dying at this moment. Come next expansion I can guarantee the vast majority of players will come back. I simply don't think the MMO genre is popular enough to gain a bunch of new players at once, and most of the few new players are just going to check out the ones people always talk about. I can more likely see FFXIV being the less mainstream choice.
Looks like someone wasn't completely right about FF14, as FF14 sold out. That says quite a lot.
@@_TehTJ_ this didn’t age well
@@_TehTJ_ I kind of disagree as a lot of WoW players I know (many in top 50 mythic guilds) were already talking about 9.1 being their last patch in the game because they were actually just done. One of those people being me. The players are just done. Blizzard, especially after this circus of a race to world first and a fucking miserable 9.1 release that was at least a month to two months out from being done, blizzard-activision has started to kill itself.
We had planned to do this with WOW when we were moving and expecting our first child. We let it go dormant for a little over a year. They purged our account. I called around trying to find out if it was salvageable at all. Nope. 13 years of gameplay completely deleted because they wanted their servers cleaned up when the "new wave of players" came after they released their movie. I hope it was fucking worth it, because I'm never going back. Really enjoying FFXIV though.
As has been pointed out many times, Final Fantasy XIV is designed first as a satisfying gaming experience. WoW for the last 10 years has been designed first as a business. Focusing mostly on the bottom line eventually catches up with you, it just took longer for WoW because of how successful it was at the start.
And it's user base having a form of stockholm syndrome.
My guy, WoW's developers are doing much too good of a job destroying their game. There's no need for FFXIV to do anything but exist at this point.
he says that at the beginning of the video.
@@BlinJe I know, I was stating the obvious.
It doesnt need to exist at all and neither does wow.
@@halaniwalombardi3562 True, but that wasn't what they meant. In the context of both games already existing, FF14 doesn't have to do anything to try and get people to play it instead of WOW. Because WOW is putting people off with how they keep messing up the actual game play and expecting people to redo what they have already done despite it not making sense in game to do so mechanic wise.
They clearly read the Art of War.
That line, every time I hear it bring a smile to my face by how much it hold true to WoW today.
"No king rules forever."
still leaves a mental scar to think this is it. To know with almost certainty that WoW will not recover quality wise. OG blizzard devs who left said it themselves: Abandon hope. To think all of my characters who i had so many stupid, long, grindy, funny and desperate adventures with... will probably just sit there until one day even WoW shuts down it's servers.
A little melodramatic, no?@@Nivin_Frostgaze
"No King Rules Forever"
man, the state of Lich King WoW versus now... that quote hurts.
Meh people are finally waking up, that's all.
@@cegesh1459 The stench of the decaying corpse is finally bad enough that people are noticing.
The stage of an abusive relationship where the abused partner is finally ready to pack their bags and leave.
Josh, speaking of suiciding MMOs: What about making an EVE Online episode?
please dont remind me. episode they could call. "the game they gave to the bots"
edit: BTW I mostly did Blops. Solo, Small gang and small fleet
Having quit EVE during the pay-to-cheat explosion (skill injectors), has something gone even worse lately?
@@sirgog Yea, a few weeks ago. Have a look at the eve offline chart, set to one year. The game has fallen down to user numbers last seen in 2006. Difference is, that this time the graph has a declining gradient.
@@undefined40 What's been the cause?
@@sirgog Theere was an update withe the usual mix of mainly nerfs, like e.g. limits to warp stabs and changing nullification to modules, and fixes. But I am not sure if that is what caused that landslide or some other change having consequences that escape a casual player like me. The last time we have seen such an impact was, when they removed local's listing of in system users and they reversed that change within 2 weeks or so, due to the enormous drop in user numbers. Not so this time, they just let the game die.
As a WoWfugee I agree. WoW killed itself, I stuck with it since Vanilla, but SL was the last straw, I'm not interested in the other MMOs out there currently but I'm not going back to WoW until they fix their S, which is most likely never.
Not until the money grubbing and perverted leadership that has the worst of worst morality, leave the company. It’ll then take years to form a passionate team and start from scratch. Maybe we can finally get a WoW 2 until then…
To me, Draenor was more or less it's last gasp. I played through it, enjoyed the main story, more or less, then uninstalled due to lack of content. One of my friends begged and pleaded for me to come back for legion and I relented in the last half. I was pleasantly surprised, thinking they may have turned over a new leaf. I played it constantly through all major content updates from that point forward.
Then BFA...
I didn't really trust it, but was willing to give it a try. It was unplayable. one of the worst MMO experiences I had ever had. I forgave D3, despite my misgivings, because it was fixed. I forgave LOTV because of loyalty. But at that point I, who had purchased every single game blizzard had ever released, literally uninstalled my Battle.net account. I now actively refuse to play any Blizzard game that came out after WC3.
hey, sounds like kind of crap they kept pumping out in call of duty too.
they are doing such a "great job" that l raged uninstalled wow few years ago, then l raged uninstalled call of duty half a year ago and started to play ffxiv.
@@brianong3359 those were the people that originally made the game genius
In my case, there's no way that i'll come back to wow.
They will just milk your wallet dry, to them you are just a customer not a player
I was a Night Elf player. By the time I left I felt like the devs fucking hated me for the race I chose. So I have no interest in coming back at all. And as it looks now, it looks like they will be redeeming a character they actually had commit genocide. Whoever is directing the story is fucked in the head.
@@Arrusoh Judging from the recent revelations, a lot of the top people (including the devs) are indeed fucked in the head.
"No king rules forever."
As a fan of both WoW and Warcraft 3, that was the most visceral punch I've ever received.
I played WoW on and off for a decade, and it got me through some of the worst times in my life and was foundational for my love of fantasy and gaming, but it is long past its time.
I’ve played for almost as long as you and I just got sick of WoW feeling like a second job without the benefits... Just logging in is a pain right now
My reason I quit because they always push sylvanas like she's the main character. I hate that bitch ass undead elf. funny though she is not that important in Warcraft 3 during undead campaign. also some WoW players have a job now, it is much tiring to grind and only play games to relax.
Comparing WoW's story (classic, BC, WotLK, everything) is trash compared to WC3
In light of recent allegations it seems WoW killed WoW - like a self fulfilling prophecy. FFXIV is good, but its no WoW killer. Its just the best alternative on the market, in the right place at the right time.
Will be downloading and installing FFXIV as my 3rd official mmorpg once the great record-breaking FFXIV server bottleneck comes to an end and they start selling FFXIV once again!
Best video to date. No king rules forever, it's time people start seeing how WoW has changed.
Yet no other game can provide what WoW does
@@raptoraurion 🤦 FF14, GW2, ESO and RuneScape are not trying to be WoW.
The reason other games die or never get into the top five is they try to be WoW.
FF14 is not WoW. Which is why it's on top now. It could have easily been ESO or GW2 or RuneScape.
@@raptoraurion they don’t need to Follow a failure
@@evacody1249 wow can't even provide what wow does
@@evacody1249 Not necessarily, BDO is nothing like WoW, it problem is actually being too different from anything else, and I can't ever understand why people hate the instanced games. They are extremely fun, and in some ways more fun than the traditional tab target games. People don't play them becaus ethey are not open world. As if everything needed to be open world to be good.
For a very long time, WoW was my life. I want to say I was a fan but, I was an addict. One of my characters had an entire year of login time and I was proud of that at the time. I was one of those people I hated every update, claimed it was killing wow, but I kept playing. I helped alot of friends just because I was good at the rut the game had put me in and helped them with their stuff, I was the guy that always had the rare materials and stuff. There was always something to do, something to work toward. I enjoyed Warlords of Dreanor but I always felt like, the Garrison's were good, but, something was off with the implementation, its what everyone wanted but it wasn't done right. Rather than fix it in any meaningful way Blizzard cut it short and moved onto the next expansion. Legion was a breath of fresh air but, something felt off, the garrison was just moved to the class hall and you were in charge, you got special weapons, you were the hero. I felt like instilling the 'you are the hero' mentality in an MMO is a very, very bad path to walk just because, yeah your the hero along with anyone else who plays and walks your path. Awesome weapon of power, handed out like candy for anyone who wants it. So much work and effort poured into a weapon, along with a new weapon and no other weapons for it, limiting transmog on a new weapon class, because everyone got their I am special weapon. when Legion ended (Which they didn't even end properly) it was on to BFA and more races more encouraged leveling and throwing away a system you spent a whole expansion working on for a new item...that i knew I would spend a whole expansion working on and throw away. I just... let my subscription run out and stopped. I walked away, all the farming all the saving all the rare stuff I had collected, worked so hard on, wasted, to the wind. It was hard to walk away from that but... I did. I was so tired of the...I guess you could call it the runaround, disposable systems that make your progress and ability's worthless just, was the breaking point. The story had gone down hill too since the writer for the books replaced Chris Metzan, and she had some weird thing for Sylvanas and she was just another tyrant and everything revolved around her. The intro to BFA with the war effort and the attack on the two areas was so disgusting I took a break after finishing it at the time.
Also as someone who played alliance and dabbled in horde stuff, story wise. The Alliance always got the shaft from blizzard, there was no equality it was always 'for horde' the major rework with cataclysm was the clinching point for it for me. The horde got massive continent expanding quest that tied into each zone that you moved through with arcing plotlines. The Alliance got a smooth transition from the the area outside Stormwind, to the fields and that was it, the only over arching plot was the Rambo knockoff in redridge coming back in another area. I didn't want favoritism, I wanted fairness. It kinda started as a joke yeah but, it just always ended up feeling too real.
I got another friend who is kinda in the same boat as me, we played together since I started, he got me into it. He talks about how much he hates it now, how he can't get in a solid raiding guild and he is tired of it, but.. he just can't get off the treadmill like I did. I keep trying to urge him to walk away like I did, find another game, but his argument is Investment, like mine was. I just...want better for him.
It can be hard to admit these things to yourself, let alone talk about them, so you are brave there. I too was in vanilla WoW and spent a lot of time there all the way to WotLK (2nd expansion), I was a proper addict. Then real life got me and when I came back in Legion, it just wasn't the same. Sigh. No more same guild, and pushing mythic keys and raids... for what? There was no drive, no point anymore. And the votekick tool was god-awful, people abused it to no end. Once I was kicked out of run halfway there for god knows why... and other times too, even though I damn well knew my stuff, had healed a M12 key with the people of same skill level as me.
That got me. Now I'm drifting between games, but having fun too. Moreso than I had in WoW since TBC became a thing after vanilla. FFXIV, Last Epoch, Bless Unleashed, Warframe, and some others... in a better place.
@Fuhe Yu yeah I think Chris wrote some of legion and she co wrote the rest. When legion was a success she was given full reign and things went downhill
That was an interesting read especially for someone who started right at the time when BC was released many years ago. I was also addicted. Played this game for a stupid amount of hours, was in the top guild on my server, battle my way up to RL, and so on. But at the end of WotLK, I stepped away from it, I could feel the downwards spiral, a lot of other competitive and hardcore guys in our guild stopped playing too. I heard WoW got back on track for some expansions, but the glorious golden days of the first years were gone. I never considered coming back to play it again. I got on one of those public servers who stayed true to the game for BC but after half a year or so I also let that one slip. I played BC to the death and could only ignite the passion for some months when you had really to grind out the dungeons and raids.
The worst part is WoW devs/marketing/higher ups deliberately designed this milking system...
sunk cost fallacy and stockholm syndrome is a hell of a drug and sometimes the only way out is pull them out of there
"FFXIV has focused on being the best mmo it can be..."
While blizzard has focused on trying to make as much money from its players as possible. In the scenario he described where 14 and WOW release for the first time as they are now, 14 doesn't just beat WoW, WoW fails and becomes a dead game because it's such a trash tier mmo compared to the others these days. No one would know that wow raids are amazing because no one would put in the effort to get through the games bullshit and get to the good parts. I genuinely do not think people would play at all if it weren't for its established reputation of having some of the best raids and PVP.
WoW is not trash tier. I have to say that I have played many other MMOs (not FF14 though), spent quite some time with RS and GW/GW2 but WoW hits the right spot between slow and tactical/fast and reactive. It offered just the right amount of challenge in dungeons for casuals as well as for hardcore players. Their original design is the most universal one and that'S why they got so successful in 2004-2010. It is a sweet-spot game for many people.
You will find MMOs that are better at PVP, gathering, crafting, raids, dungeons or social aspect but you will be hard-pressed to find something that is better in everything AND has a unique visual style to it that makes it stand out and so iconic. It is not the greatest game, it might not even be a good game, but it is very accessible and understandable game.
@@IanBalek I used to play wow too, and it WAS an amazing game. I like how you try to defend the game, since its so close to your heart, and i get that. but youre defending the current game as it is right now by explaining how it was good between 2004 and 2010...
@@Ryutatsi I have to agree with that. You are misreading my statement. It was an amazing game. Now it's just fine. Still, I would not call a trash tier as it offer many great moments and new and younger players might be actually better off right now than in TBC or Wotlk (if the teenagers back then were like those now).
Just a simple statement. Not a trash tier but no amazing game like it used to be.
@@IanBalek ok I see your point. You also have s good point with the teenagers being as they are today wouldn't enjoy the tbc or wotlk content. I personally dislike wow alot after giving up 6 years ago and all the recent controversy. I see how people have a hard time letting go after so many years invested. But personally I don't see the enjoyment in that game anymore.
You lost me when you said pvp, if you think wow's pvp is good I legitimately feel sorry for you. It has never been good, there was a point where it was a fun. 2 points #1 back before battlegrounds were a thing, and players would raid Tarren Mill, that was fun. #2 Alterac Valley was a lot of fun, until they killed it and made it a speed BG. It hasn't been good sense and everything they tried after just sucks, its cool if you like the arena stuff, but that isn't MMORPG pvp!
Player: I was so worried about you, Wowakin. Final-Wan told me terrible things.
Wowakin: What things?
Player: He said you have turned to the oversystemication side... that you killed your own lore.
Wowakin: Final-Wan is trying to turn you against me.
Player: He cares about us.
Wowakin: Us??!
Player: He knows... He wants to help you.
Wowakin: Is Final-Wan going to give your playtime value? He can't... he can't help you. He's not strong enough.
Player: Wowakin, all I want is your love.
Wowakin: Love won't save you, Player. Only systems designed to retain you through manipulation can do that.
Player: At what cost? You are a good game. Don't do this.
Wowakin: I won't lose you the way I lost Chris Metzen! I've become more powerful than any MMO has ever dreamed of and I've done it for you. To protect you.
Player: Come away with me. Help me level up our new Shaman. Leave everything else behind while we still can.
Wowakin: Don't you see, you don't have to level anymore. You can buy my boosts! I have brought peace to the MMO sphere. I am more powerful than Chancellor PalpaVision. I can overthrow him, and together you and I can rule the MMO market. Make things the way we want them to be.
Player: I don't believe what I'm hearing... Final-Wan was right. You've changed.
Wowakin: I don't want to hear any more about Final-Wan. The content creators turned against me. Don't you turn against me.
Player: I don't know you anymore. Wowakin, you're breaking my heart. You are going down a path I can't follow.
Wowakin: Because of Final-Wan?
Player: Because of what you've done... what you plan to do. Stop, stop now. Come back! I love you.
Wowakin: (seeing Final-Wan) Liar!
Player: No!
Wowakin: You're with him. You tried his free trial. You've betrayed me! You brought him here to kill me!
Player: NO! Wowakin. I swear... I...
Wowakin reaches out, and the Player grabs her throat as she starts to choke on a 6 month subscription.
Final-Wan: Let her go, Wowakin. Let her go!
Wowakin releases his grip on the unconscious Player and she crumples to the ground.
Wowakin: You turned her against me!
Final-Wan: You have done that yourself.
Wowakin: You will not take her from me!
Final-Wan: Your ignorance of feedback and your lust for money have already done that. You have allowed this Dark Lord PalpaVision to twist your mind until now... until you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
Wowakin: Don't lecture me, Final-Wan. I see through the lies of the critics. I do not fear the dark systems as you do. I have brought peace, justice, freedom, and security to my satisfied playerbase.
Final-Wan: Your satisfied playerbase?
Wowakin: Don't make me kill you.
Final-Wan: Wowakin, my allegiance is to the players... to democracy!
Wowakin: The players think they want that, but they don't.
Final-Wan: Only a Blizz Lord deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.
Wowakin: You will try.
They fight, both executing their rotations flawlessly.
Final-Wan: I have failed you, Wowakin. I tried to lead by example and you didn't pay attention.
Wowakin: I should have known the other four of the Big Five were plotting to take over...
Final-Wan: Wowakin, Chancellor PalpaVision is evil!
Wowakin: From my point of view, the players are evil!
Final-Wan: Well, then you are a dying game!
Suddenly, Final-Wan passes Wowakin's player numbers.
Final-Wan: It's over, Wowakin. I have the high pop.
Wowakin: You underestimate my content updates!
Final-Wan: Don't try it! The content isn't enough for how long the playerbase has waited!
Wowakin aggressively releases 9.1 but Final-Wan easily cuts him in half.
Final-Wan: You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy poor game design, not embrace it. Bring balance to the classes, not leave them in an unsatisfying meta.
Wowakin: I hate you! For not loving Sylvanas! She's a perfect and pure cinnamon bun and did nothing wrong! She's misunderstood!
Final-Wan: You were my role model, Wowakin. When I relaunched I looked to Mists of Pandaria for inspiration. I loved you.
The playerbase sees the raid cinematic for 9.1 and Wowakin bursts into flames like Teldrassil, screaming for Christie Golden to save him.
Final-Wan picks up Wowakin's crown and gives him a final pained look before walking away.
@Daven Briar Aw crud. Thanks for pointing that out. Spending way too long on this makes words lose their meaning. X)
"You've tried his free trial"
I'm dying
"from my point of view, the player are evil!" omg man that made me laugh hahahha
"I looked to mists of pandaria for inspiration. I loved you."
Really hits home. FFXIV looked up to wow and possibly still does, wow could learn something from FFXIV now.
Now that actually caught me off guard. 😥
With Activision-Blizzard at the helm, it's a miracle they've lasted this long.
You have to understand that there are die hard wow player that will continue to play no matter what. And it's these players that will always keep wow in a stable subscription level so the game can survive.
I personally unsubscribe because I was paying a subscription for a game that only had one raid active for quite a long time and what's worse is that the raid is not difficult.
@@michaelgonzalez4698 you can easily spotted them on doronmovies/noone182/bellullar videos. They will tryhard picking up a fight with anyone who were once loyal wow fans but tired of the games in the comments, lol
@@michaelgonzalez4698 that’s really not it they are those people ofc but soo many people are acting like there aren’t players who just really love playing wow bc they have fun with all the recent wow hate a lot of people seem to forget why wow is one of the top mmos ever I’m pretty sure it arguably still has the largest player base wow has a lot to offer and is a extremely fun game plain and simple that’s why even with all the negatives and the hate train that’s going on so many people still play it and btw I started on ff14 first and switched to wow ff14 isn’t the end all be all everyone claims it to be and it’s community is actually similar to wow your just trading gatekeeping and elitist to the “you don’t pay my sub” and don’t criticize the game crowd which isn’t surprising since there’s a large pool of people who play both games frequently so both games share a large part of their community
My thing is tho, WoW style games where you can't experiment on one character and need to create multiple to do so sucks. By the time you know a certain class may not be for you I feel like you've already spent months maybe even a year or two playing that class and may commit to the sunk time fallacy. FFXIV, RS(tho I have my own gripes for not being quite as in depth) and albion just seem a lot better in that regard. Tho I wish more would imitate FFXIV's version of classes and crafting instead of continuing down the WoW path...
WoW has killed itself and planned the funeral too. FFXIV is more like the really polite and nice bystander who wishes you all the best for the future and tells you to keep your head up.
For me FFXIV symbolizes future more than WoW does. WoW gets his power from a strong past that people more and more begin to forget or the never knew of in the first place.
As someone who played WoW from its start I do wish for an end. The game I once adored is no more - and that is totally fine.
Open your eyes to something knew - be it another MMO or something completely different. WoW may not officialy be dead - but for me the World of Warcraft has ended a couple of years ago.
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FF will die down in the next 6 months, WoW is already back to bigger sub numbers and all it took them is a content update lmao FF fundamentally sucks to play, and you can say what you want about the story, and combat animations etc etc. The game is sluggish, slow and boring, WoW players can't play that, and in order for WoW to die, they';d have to revamp the combat system entirely. Not happening
@@masteroffmuppets666 Ok WoW simp. Your game is trash, and nothing you can do is going to stop it from dying a painful death. Look at the writing on the wall. It's over. Move on.
@@masteroffmuppets666 "WoW players can't play it" tell me you don't know about WoW players playing XIV without telling me you don't know 🤣
You make WoW players sound like children who need their fix & things now.
Sounds like someone is just a salty WoW player. Calm down mate
@@masteroffmuppets666 actually with the expansion it will probably get even more players soon new and old one's that took a break :)
This... was very well said. I left a few years ago and joined FFXIV and never looked back. It was hard to leave wow but omfg... FFXIV was such a eye opener. The only blizzard gonna learn is there pockets.... that how we wake them up.
Yeah, a week in Final Fantasy XIV made me feel like I had escaped an abusive relationship. It was that bad.
I was on WOW from the beginning, They lost me years ago to GW, GW2 and now FFIV. The WOW community is just way too toxic for the not hardcore endgame player.
It’s like what every WoW player has said for years. The only thing that can kill WoW is WoW.
I agree with that guy 90%. But he forgot the 10% crucial thing that makes wow players leave wow. It's the lore and how they massacre it. Metzen nurture the heroes and lore of wow with patient and love, but after he leave Blizz, they change the characters 180°. And now they didn't even know what to do with their own works, lmao
@@chakravartin3356 Yeah meanwhile, you can look over at ffxiv and how they handle their plot, showing that they have had very clear places they had been planning out since all the way back to the end of 1.x that end up having genuine payoffs years down the line. Now we're getting ready for 6.0, which will definitely end the long term plot, and then the post patches we know will start a new story.
@@JackgarPrime yep! In one of the live letters, they said they begin working on the story two expansions in advance. So, when ARR launched, they had already written most of HW and began writing StB, and during HW, they finished most of StB, and began writing ShB, and so on.
You can really see that process too, since the big and most visible plot thread usually shows up two expansions before that one. Like how Ala Mhigo was heavily discussed in ARR to lead into StB, the Warriors of Darkness in HW to lead into ShB, and now Zenos, Fordola, and the artificial echo from StB to lead into EW.
I've got to admit Blizzard has helped in breaking my attachment to retail, and I'm actually grateful for it.
Who would have thought that all those systems that are made to keep you in the game are the exact ones that make you raise hands and say "fuck this, im out!"
I had tried playing WoW a while back, around when time travel was released I think, and I just couldn't understand what was happening at all. When I joined FFXIV, I had one button. I press button, damage happens. Then, I level, get a new button, and do more damage. The cycle repeats throughout the levels.
I feel FFXIV is a lot more beginner friendly, since it keeps things simple, and gives you time to understand your abilities before throwing you a new one to test and try.
It also allows players to come in and experience the whole story, start to finish, on their own time, unlike Destiny 2 and WoW (from what I remember). You don't get to see the game world during "x" expansion. In FFXIV, you move into NEW areas in the world to continue the story. You don't change the current areas, just add onto them.
9.1 Chains of Domination has been an amazing patch for FFXIV.
I can't be the only one that has staring contests with him. He doesn't blink
Lol I’m noticing this now. I’ve always thought there was something odd with his stare.
Thank you! I knew something was off!!
He's a robot! Calling it now!
You win every few minutes as he glances at his script / bullet points.
What an incredibly true video. There's so much wrong with WoW at a base level even though everyone only seems to complain about the new updates and all the pointless grinds they add but people are so caught up in their toxic relationship with the game that they're blind to it. I'll just give one example out of many: Dual-wield classes need double the weapon drops for them to play at the same level as 2H classes. Nobody ever complains or gives feedback about it because "that's just how it is" when any rational person can see that it shouldn't be that way. There's just so much imbalance and injustice that has been going on for years in WoW so it's failure really seems earned. When people warned that Shadowlands was WoW's last chance after the terrible experience that was BfA they were right and since the expansion was released Blizzard have failed to correct their course in any meaningful way. It didn't have to be this way if they took the feedback and changed the game's direction.
It's funny you say that about the weapons thing. I recently played a bit of WoW at the behest of my friend because I hadn't played FFXIV for a few years (because my FC dissolved) and I was itching for some MMO action. I had played WoW before but stopped playing not long after BC came out so I had little knowledge of how the game had or hadn't changed. The weapon thing was one of the first things I noticed, I started playing a Monk and I remember the first fist weapon I found, I put on and was so confused when my offhand still had a knife or shield or w/e was in the hand at the time lol.
There are a ton of quality of life improvements in FFXIV that I kept pointing out when I couldn't do it in WoW and even my WoW veteran friends were like "wtf that would be so useful!" like the holding X on the keyboard so you can only click on NPCs. Or being able to change, move and turn on/off every aspect of the UI. How gathering and crafting are much more involved than just right click on the thing or click a button and wait. how the new player experience is actually somewhat enjoyable and isn't just "Get to max level as quickly as possible".
Safe to say I'm back playing FFXIV now lmao.
I’ve played WoW since I was 11, I started back when TBC had just released. Granted I was absolute dogshit at the game, and could neither read nor write English, making questing a nightmare.
But despite all of that WoW captured my imagination and pulled me into a world of adventure.
I reached max lvl for the first time in WOTLK and an older friend of mine was kind enough to have his guild carry me through ICC, and I got to kill the Lich King. To this day, it’s one of my fondest memories in any game ever.
By Cataclysm I had learned English, and decided to take a stab at PvP. I almost reached Gladiator.
I decided to take a break at MoP’s release. But came back a few months before WoD.
I quit two months into that expansion and swore off the game. But then came Legion.
The lore nerd in me was giddy. Finally I’d get to fight the Legion Proper, I played althroughout the Expansion.
I was exited to get back to the faction warfare of BfA, and hoped it brought some exiting new ways to tell a multifaceted story. I was sorely disappointed and quit two months in.
Shadowlands was the last chance. I really had my hopes up for this one, but after getting Keystone Master after slamming my head against a metaphorical brick wall for months without any new content in sight I decided that this game is no longer worth my time or money.
I’ll give FFXIV a spin just for the hell of it, but I don’t know if it’ll fill that WoW shaped hole in my poor gamer soul.
Your English is better than most who speak it as a first language. Well played.
I was playing wow since I was 13 . I started from lich king and played till shadowlands. I deleted wow 8 month ago and didn’t play since then. Then around 4 mounts ago I saw a video from ffxiv. It is so stupid that I didn’t even know that game exists. I installed it and played it. I wasn’t that good at the beginning but after each day I felt that it’s gets better and better and there was moments that I was said this: o my god why do I even killed my time playing wow so many years. I have a folder that it has 12 Gb of my screen shots from ffxiv. I enjoyed every moment of it. It is not a game without esuuses but it has a good story , Incredibile game play , best community that I have ever seen in my life and … You will not regret it. Give it a try and play at least 2 expansions
Try final fantasy , don’t skip the story , please trust , read the quest text, give it some time , and you will see
This is my exact situation, altho i actually loved WoD for some reason, might be becaue i never touched my garrison. Anyways shadowlands was the last straw, all the dungeons released were only dissapointments and all my favorite specs were trash tier (aka insane queue time). At one point i just had enough, even after 14 years with this game i cant take it anymore, and its really sad. Im currently playing Warframe, and while its fun, just like you said, it dosent fill the WoW shaped hole in my soul. Hopefully someday a new game will come out that fills the void, but i doubt it, the entire gaming industry is just billionaries seeing who can make the most money, its a lost cause.
@@wackywarrior001 The story is pretty insipid. It's the one thing I don't get why people like. Yeah, it's good for an MMO but it's...still not good lol
After 14 years as a diehard WoW player, I finally decided to try FFXIV about 6 weeks ago. I knew nothing about it. I didn’t know other WoW players were already migrating there. I picked it because it showed up near the top in a Google search of most popular MMOs. My only reason for searching was I finally got sick of being bored repeating the same list of chores over and over, and accepted that it was never going back to being the game I once fell in love with. Two hours into the FFXIV free trial I already knew I wasn’t going back, so I bought a subscription. I didn’t stop playing WoW because I wanted to play FFXIV, I started playing FFXIV because I wanted to stop playing WoW.
for what it's worth, i hope you enjoy your time in Eorzea
Genuine question, do you really believe the endgame of FF won't be doing the same chores?
@@raptoraurion So what's your point? Don't bother trying out a different game, just stay in the same rut because I'll end up in a different rut anyway? Thanks for the bad advice, but I'd rather take my chances. At least I'm having fun for a change.
@@syzygy21055 all that matters mate, welcome to Eorzea!
Very solid content, I could not agree with you more. WoW back when I used to play it was a total grind just to keep up and be relevant in ~end game content. Over time you get tired of it, and every new update the class mechanics change making your class different and possibly non-viable for end-game content. I ended up quitting - not for anything else, just quitting.
Depends on how you define killed? I don't think WoW is ever going to be the #1 MMO again though. FFXIV has pulled ahead of WoW a few times before but it doesn't seem there's any going back from this, Shadowlands and Classic attracted a lot of new and returning players to WoW, but those bridges seem to be burned quickly and most of those players won't be coming back.
@Der Patriot Don't be so pessimistic, they've still got Overwatch 2 in works.
@Der Patriot final fantasy has the same things! Their store is even more insane than WoW, so if you want to come after WoW for the store, you need to at least acknowledge final fantasy’s because I’m tired of people pretending that FF is perfection in every way but charges you money for a head, body and shoe pieces individually.
@@demonangel918 FFXIV has a 40 dollar whale mount. Speaks for itself really.
@Der Patriot the things is (at least as it seems right now):
they don't care if WoW dies.
because all they do looks like going full short-time-profit.
and seeing what bobby kotick earns it seems that at least he doesn't care about blizzard as a whole dying.
just recently got 155 Million $ again (and that's just this one "payment") so he should be more than good even if blizz goes down.
@Der Patriot I play WoW too, I have forever. I don’t think the game is in a bad place, I think the player base is. I don’t care if you wanna play a p2w game, go ahead lol.
What i don't like about WoW at the moment is the endless grind. I miss the time where i could only improve my Character by Equipment i get in Raids so that i have time to play other games wichout the fear of falling too far behind.
I miss this as well, if i dont join the toxic rushed mythic+ cesspool i cannot keep up. I would be willing to play retail wow 8h a day still, its more of a psychological cost for me. Until they make raids raid equip only i dont see how i will ever enjoy the endgame again.
But people wanted to get gear from other sources. Pvp for pvp, mythic plus community wants their own gear now. I only raid and sometimes do some mythics and I don’t feel behind.
@@icannotbeseen raid gear is better than mythic+ gear. And domination shards are raid only. What?
Its also important to remember that that feeling is self imposed. I see this notion so often that you HAVE to grind and grind to keep up or you'll fall behind.
Why? I don't really get what the fear is of being slightly behind other players, and to me it sounds a lot like toxic competitiveness in the workplace. I think a lot of people play mmos more like work than a game.
Just play classic vanilla or classic tbc
I played wow for 14 years, tried Tera(went back to wow), played Aion(went back to wow), played Black Desert Online(went back to wow) -Blade&soul, Lineage,Archeage- even played ffxiv back in the day and went back to wow. but after so much stuff just being turned into dailly shores, no thanks i already have a job. That's why i'm now enjoying FFXIV, allways been a FinalFantasy Fan since i got IX on ps1 when i was a kid.
And be honest, who the hell limits AoE to a number of enemies? never seen that anywhere else
My favorite line: "MMOs aren't Highlanders."
Like the 80's movies eh? good times :)
@@weertangel7231 i loved the series.
But FFXIV has highlanders. :p
I tried to play retail over and over, it just doesn’t have....soul
It’s gorgeous, but it bores me after a few hours and don’t go back for months
I play classic wow religiously, upwards of 18 hours a day some days
Me and my friends quit wow after taking down Garrosh on SOO. Few years ago we already full grown men with jobs, and decided to return to wow during BFA. No kidding, the graphics increased greatly, but we feel empty. As soon as Ny'alotha opened, the older raids gets ignored completely. Newly created charas can catch up by doing dailies instead a full run easier raids. Also, the repetitive quest is so exhausting. After 3 months of playing, none of us play the game anymore. I was the last to stay playing because i keep trying to get the feel i was once experienced few years ago, but i found nothing so decided to leave too
Yeah I feel the same way. Tried retail multiple times and it's fun for a while, but in the end just feels like a soulless grind for minuscule improvements hidden behind a RNG slot machine. You can't even progress the story without hitting a RNG slot machine. And every choice you make just feels like it has zero impact on the world.
I even wanted to try getting into Classic, but vanilla was just a re-implementation of a broken early game system. So I waited for TBC Classic.
It came and... level boosts. Cash shop mounts. Cash shop things everywhere. And missing game features to boot because apparently they didn't have "enough time" to implement everything, yet had all the time in the world to plan and implement cash shop boosts and mounts and stuff.
I was so... disgusted... I just noped out right there and then. If I ever play WoW again it will be on private servers.
"The best received update is the removal of 17 years of updates."
Ouch! That has to sting a few egos at Blizzard.
If WoW came out today as it is now, with no sunk cost feeling or emotional ties, would it succeed? I can personally answer with no. I stopped playing when Cata dropped and haven't returned until recently. WoW Retail is so wildly different that I don't recognize it anymore. So after a few weeks of playing Retail, I walked away and have no desire to keep playing it.
I did jump back into Classic and have stuck around through TBC. Ill be raiding Kara soon and I love it. It's familiar to what I used to enjoy years ago.
i played up to legion then quit before battle of azeroth launched
played all day after school back in my teens with my best friend but when his PC died in pandaria and had to money for a new PC i stuck with legion alone untill burnout nad boredom
and returned now myself to shadowlands to a totally new and different game
the fuck is this new level system removal of basic old stuff played for a few hours and unsubbed and uninstalled
Im so happy to have tbc and i hope it doesnt die like classic did when tbc released
Although FFXIV is incredible, i have always thought the soundtrack was the best part of the game.
As someone that has played WoW since beta and running around in Teldrassil. Right now the heads for WoW are completely out of touch with what the players actually want. The irony in Ion being the head of the development team and him not being able too see past his own arrogance that blizzard can be wrong when he objectively proved that blizzard were wrong in vanilla when it came to C'thun. At this point i wonder if any sort of loss could humble them or if they are too entrenched in their arrogance and ways to ever change.
What, you don't want to do the same exact dungeons and same exact raid constantly? With the only thing breaking up the monotony being chores? You don't enjoy that????
Meh. Wow was just the first one on my radar. I always thought the story and game cycle was superficial at best and without alternatives it was good enough. FF14 has all the parts I liked about WoW but had a much better story, content, challenges, music… it literally does everything better in every way and it doesn’t torture you for wanting to play its most challenging content with ridiculous farms and unrelated shit. The clear needs to be the challenge, not the door into the raid.
More like WoW killed itself in confusion and FF14 sit on the empty throne.
if they fits, they sits. if it works for real life cats? might as well work for miqo'te as well.
played this game more than 10 years, i always been trying to be spoiler free- my friends from wow know- you spoiler me ill block your ass till content will come out
today ive looked at new patch sppoilers and i felt nothing but being annoyed how its coming out
it oddly hurts when you lose attachment to something you felt so close for so many years
I dont play wow but I never heard anything good about its story...
@@MasterNochi Wrath was awesome, mostly piggybacking off of Warcraft 3... MoP was pretty good, too.
@@MasterNochi i liked to follow warcraft 3 characters and how they develop, used to rp and be really deep into lore but it kinda got killed in bfa when they wasted najzatar/black empire and release ofshadowlands...was ok. But recent patch is just terrible.
I dont expect extraordinary multilevel plot but what we got given was wattpad level, even some players could make better one than that.
As you said you did not played wow so it might be harder to understand attachment as it was cultivated by many years of playing it.
"starting to happen"
We're 2 expansions deep into them producing some of the worst content from pretty much all angles. Awful systems upon systems upon systems, lore that even the lore guys can't defend, lack of content period, chores lol
FFXIV hasn't killed WoW, WoW has killed WoW.
FFXIV is a great game but it has nothing to do with WoW's fall from grace especially in the last few years. Some WoW refugees might have gone over to FFXIV, but if it didn't exist those WoW refugees probably would be playing some other game instead.
Is he really a gamer or in fact a mugger?
I think he's trying to sell us all those mugs.
His own mug is the most collectible of all.
Ugly mug if u ask mate
@@dogma2129 the mug is sus
I really like how you compare an MMO to a relationship. Its's far more accurate than I would have initially thought.
"The best received update was the removal of 17 years of updates" LMFAO... I had no interest in classic and still don't (lost all interest in WoW) but that was basically my initial thought as well but not said that well... I was hyperventilating on that comment.
Probably not in any significantly quantifiable way, but asking the question sure gets people to click on a video.
it got me to click and i dont even play wow
Spot on. WoW’s wounds are self-inflicted. They’ve had plenty of time to modernise, but they persist with outdated ideas and antiquated secondary systems.
No housing, minimal crafting, dull overland content, two professions max, abandoned class design, no innovation at all.
I don’t miss it.
The problem isn't the fact that they aren't "modernizing." It's the exact opposite in fact. The success of Classic shows that. The issue people have is that the game IS changing and for the worse. It IS modernizing and unfortunately that doesn't come off as a positive anymore because of what modern games have done.
That's completely the opposite. As the expansion goes on, they try to invent something new, but horribly goes wrong. Players now have very limited stats management each expansion, fixed built for each spec, and many more which some old fans (includes me) think, the old system was much better and give us more freedom in managing our charas stats
To clarify - when I refer to modernising, I'm comparing the inflexibility of WoW compared to its closest competitors and Blizzard's unwillingness to update their systems to match them.
The armor and costume customisation in something like ESO is light years ahead of what WoW offers, for example. Wear any armor type you like with hundreds of styles that you can dye in a myriad of colours.
Or the ability to take all of the professions you want (FFXIV takes this to a whole new level of accessibility - everything can be done on one avatar).
The fact that the best Blizzard could do for housing was garrisons and they've never attempted to provide it for their playerbase is just...I don't have a word for it. Creating your own home with your own furnishings is a game in itself.
It's features like that that make WoW look antiquated and restrictive.
Gameplay wise, the best Blizzard could do there is KISS. I loved my Classic adventure where you were unencumbered and could just explore the dangerous world. If they combined that with the kind of features that ESO and FFXIV offer, they'd be right back in the fight.
WoW killed itself. FF14 was just happy to take the refugees in, heal them and offer them a better experience
It's kinda funny. A decade ago we all said "the only thing that was going to kill wow, was wow itself" as a joke, But here we are. I'm not sure even at this point if they were to make a new mmo would it survive with all the bad blood between them and the playerbase.
However, I will always be curious as to what project titan could have been instead of overwatch, not to say anything bad about overwatch itself, but it was always a "what if" for me.
I just hope ashes of creation can deliver and become the new top dog in the mmmorpg scene.
Same I hope AOC can take us to a new level cos ff14 ain't that good imo
no game lives forever so it was bound to happen eventually. it still has some years left at least.
Next year: Has Runescape killed Final Fantasy 14? (just joking)
Isn't Runescape entirely paid for and populated by gold farmers and botters, with only a handful of actual players?
Wow is killing itself but you're also selling FFXIV short, if FFXIV weren't doing something right then other MMOs would be growing just as quickly as XIV is growing.
For me, there were two big factors that lead to me dropping WoW. The first was the endless grind just trying to keep up with everyone else. It was tedious and left me with very little time to do anything else - even in the early days of Shadowland, I kept asking myself if this was truly how I wanted to spend my free time.
The second, and the biggest for me personally, was the WoW community. I am an anxiety riddled mess who had a bad habit of taking shit too personally. So for me, grouping with random people in WoW was a nightmare. So many people who blame others for their own bad playing. Or who would nitpick the slightest thing. And if they weren't being assholes, they were dead silent the whole time.
FFXIV is not without it's own community issues, but the fact of the matter is that I look forward to playing with other people in it. That is not something I've been able to say in WoW for a long time.
ok
could you just make less paragraphs or nah
@@Joseph-gz3qs you're the type of player he's talking about. Keep paying your subscription fee to shitty blizzard
the problem with other mmo's for wow players is that WoW players are already married to WoW, so when these new mmo's send suggestive images of great content, and overly flashy bosses and emotional weekend pics of fun times. it makes us WoW players hate these games even more! But what is happening now is that WoW has gotten even more abusive, and FF14 has become even more suggestive, so we're daring to try! not only that but there was also a 70% sale on the game at the perfect moment! and not only that, but there is also a great free trial so you don't even have to pay! and there are thousands of refugees wandering together, some might be friends, some might be entire guilds, some might be entire servers.. to the promised lands! and we have gone for so many years without talking to anybody, without socializing, without close contact, that when we enter FF14... We get petted, we get hugs, we get welcomed, we get commondations in dungeons for doing a fantastic job.. and we get confused! and we get danced!.. and even with these new happy times in this new world.. We're still hoping, and begging and believing that WoW will once more become good, once again.. the good thing with FF14 is as you said, it makes you feel comfortable right off the bat, its familiar, friendly and safe. and that's what it does good. but to answer your last question, If both games were released today, with current patches etc, in my opinion FF14 would raise to the top, ESO would be second, BDO would be third and WoW would be 6 or 7.. I don't think it would take by storm as it once did.
The strongest sensation in FFXIV is having someone's character walk up to you, physically move their head to LOOK at you, give you a cute emote like a hug or a head pat, and then ask "Hey, do you need any help?" and this happens all the time. FFXIV feels so alive and visceral where WoW and other MMOs feel so cold and distant. It's become impossible for me to immerse myself or care about other MMOs because FFXIV does this feedback and socializing quality so well.
The thing that sold WoW classic for me was everyone's limitations. Having a friendly priest or druid buff you as they passed by was a big deal and felt like a noticeable change. Having to talk to people and form groups and travel to dungeons together. Forcing players to create these micro circles of friends and stick it out through bad runs because you can't just drop and re-queue and face roll all the content. Everyone in other MMOs might as well be NPCs, but in Classic WoW and FFXIV they feel like real people.
I can't count the number of people in FFXIV who have helped me with dungeons, gear, story clears, etc. In turn this made me become one of those people, and I've tried to help as many people as I can. I've crafted countless sets of gear for free for new players below level 50 and every time it puts a smile on both our faces.
FFXIV just has this warmth to it that I can't put into words. Something about the tone, the community, the emotes, the ability for characters to look at eachother, interact with eachother. It's probably why FFXIV has such a huge RP (and ERP, hehe) population; because it's so easy to get immersed and interact with each other instead of having a bunch of people standing in a room staring blankly into space while you read a chat box.
@@Mekose It is quite obvious when you play FF14 these days and you get WoW refugees or FF14 players in your group. because wow players don't chat, they don't talk, or joke around. and i am faulty of that too, due to wow. but when you play with a FF14 player, they joke around, they talk and they usually have more acceptance for failure from people, while wow players do not. obviously sometimes that's just normal that people don't talk, but its especially common these days with all the refugees.
@@serendipitygaming6785 Speak for yourself
Activision killed WoW. Just like how it kills everything it touches.
Nah, Blizzard also did a number. In fact they are literally the same company, but ignoring that, the literal Blizzard team did their fair share.
Any chance we get your view on crowfall? From Kickstarter concept to the remains that got released yesterday while their servers could not even handle 5k players and they blame it on DDoS ;D
As long as WoW doesn't die before they finish TBC classic, I'm good. I never played WoW back in the day, but I've been playing classic for a year now, and it's been incredible.
WOW everyone wants to play the game from 15 years ago. FFXIV everyone wants to play the latest expac
WoW will most likely limp through at least another 5-7 years before that happens, and in the meantime, they'll gradually keep adding xpacs and mtx to classic until it's literally just regular WoW
I am currently playing TBCC and am loving it, and I enjoy retail too but retail really feels like a disorganized mess of well polished but loosely connected content and mechanics. Retail wow kinda feels more like a WoW-clone at this point. I basically am playing it just for the lore.
But yeah, TBCC is pretty cool.
@@Asukol honestly, at this point, retail wow just feels like they're throwing shit at a wall, then going with what sticks. They've also painted themselves into a bit of a corner with the BfA and Shadowlands. They've jumped the shark so hard with those two alone that they've really got nowhere else to go, lore-wise, that won't seem incredibly contrived and tacky. The best they can do at this point is go back to the classic "Alliance vs Horde" with an updated twist
@@trip-qwq Well, the Expansions of FF14 feel like an Improvement to the former one. Playing through old WOW-Xpacs to level up felt like nothing at all....
Why time-Dunegons? FF14 and ESO allow you to play their dungeons as often as you like. Why Crafting Jobs if the Crafting items are more meaningless than the freaking Worldquest-Trash? Blizz basically forces you to invest you 3-4 Hours a week to invest into Torghast and this Anima- and Baselevel-farming to reach what?
Some of the Dunegons and Raid are fun in SL but it is the only thing that makes fun in SL and since onebody wants to play tank, you can waiting for hours if you dont want to do it yourself. And being Tank usually means being the scapegoat for failing in Mythic+ Dungeons...
The story is just forgettable. Sylvanas is playing bad for 2 Xpacs just to be redempt with some Bullshit in the next Patch. Anduin gets turned into discount Arthas so that Sylvanas can probably save him. Blizz Revive characters to rewrite their stories like the whole "illidan is actually good and sane but you morons just killed him for no reason" in Legion when Blizzard don´t even offered you the chance to not kill him.
@Kazuma Blackwing
They did with "Battle for Azeroth" but of course there must be universal forces behind the scene because Alliance and Horde actually would be best friends if there is no Old God or scuffed Hades behind everything-
I've been repping FF XIV since its closed beta. The amount of sprouts I've seen around lately is amazing. It''s even gotten to the point that my main fallback MMO's, DC Universe Online and Star Trek Online, seem to have a bunch of new people running around.
"No King rules forever, my son"
Awesome quote to finish the video!
Every wow player that's been around since wrath of the lich King has been cracking that joke we even knew at one point wow would not rule forever.