Learning Spanish - 1,000 hours with Comprehensible Input
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- I started acquiring Spanish in January 2022 using a method called Comprehensible Input. The idea is that you listen and watch simple videos in Spanish. The videos should be basic enough so that you understand most of what is happening even though you don't understand the words. Over time, the brain makes sense of the words and grammar. I plan to make a video every 100 hours to show my progress.
I am watching videos on Dreaming Spanish. There are playlists for beginner, intermediate and advanced.
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Dreaming Spanish Language Learning Roadmap:
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This is a link to a summary of scholarly research on Compressible Input. I would suggest those who make comments that I need to start speaking Spanish, first review the research. -
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Spanish Short Stories For Beginners - Claudia Orea and Abel Franco
Link to the Commonlit site with graded short stories:
www.commonlit....
Parallel text Bible - www.bible.com/...
CNN in Spanish - cnnespanol.cnn...
News from Spain - www.elespanol....
Wikipedia Spanish version - es.wikipedia.o...
Cuéntame podcasts:
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Español con Juan:
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Juan's books:
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Ideas for using ChatGPT to learn Spanish:
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It's great that you're showing older learners what's possible and what they might expect. We're all going to learn at different rates. Pablo's roadmap may be more accurate for learners in their 20s or 30s. If it takes 3000 hours for you to be comfortable in Spanish, so be it. You'll still accomplish the goal of exercising your brain and preventing dementia.
Thank you for the kind words.
I think I’m over 1500 hrs now and although I *can* speak and get around in Spanish, it is not very natural and I still do not find myself spontaneously producing all that much. Even though I can understand almost everything even native books. It’s so important to see how much it can vary from person to person, thanks for sharing!
When you get to that level of comprehension, the focus should be on output. You're not gonna get good at output without doing lots of it, even if u already have a high level of input comprehension. One thing to do alone is to tell stories about your life or a topic u like and send it as a whatsapp audio, for example. It's a good way to find out the vocab you have as passive, but you can't remember when speaking... And pronunciation mistakes. It would be great if a native could listen and correct you. Then you can try to tell the same thing using the correct pronunciation and vocab. That helps A LOT! :) Hope I could give you some motivation to output more.
@@gboundrapa Yes, I practice output. I was just describing how it still feels to output. Thanks
This is so true. It varies from person to person.
Focusing on output is fine if you are fully immersed in a Spanish speaking country. In England, finding a native Spanish speaker is not so easy as they live here to speak English. They are not interested in speaking their native language. Catch 22. On line tutorials cost the earth.
That’s not enough. A 5 year old has 15,000 hours of input in their native language. If we want to speak naturally we need hours of input far beyond 1,000 years
You are so realistic in your language learning. I love your videos and can't wait 'til 1100 hours.
Thank you for the kind words!
I find it ironic to acquire English from a video made by a guy who does the same as I do but in Spanish. Thanks for your contribution. Keep up the good work
This is great, thank you!
I'm at ~1,100 hours CI, and 1,300 total hours invested. Extrapolating from my current progress, to get to the point where I'm really comfortable speaking to friends about the kind of things I'd speak to friends about in English, it's going to take me another 1.5-3k hours. My progress hasn't really matched the Dreaming Spanish roadmap. I'm well behind it. I also notice there's huge variance in progress videos posted on YT - I think coming down to variation in counting methods, natural talent, intensity of interrest in content, motivation, focus, errors, honesty/dishonesty, among many other factors. But if you see progress, that's what matters, because you know overall the method is working. I have observed phrases and grammatical constructions sometimes coming naturally over time (easier to observe if you can invest time rapidly).
With respect to speaking, I don't really agree with Pablo's approach of letting sounds emerge naturally. The gravity of our mother tongue is too strong and so your tongue will naturally go to what it interprets as the closest thing to the sound you're trying to make. So in order to get comfortable & develop accent, it really is a kind of "remedial process" of training your tongue muscles to make new movements and be comfortable with them. I've put in 70 hours purely into just doing this and it helps - my accent is not as "strong" as many.
Great example of consistency!!!. Continue pushing forward, you are doing great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you checked Olly Richard's Spanish beginners and intermediate books? Those helped me a ton.
Comprehensible input is the way to go. I've done it to great success with Icelandic. Have not tried cross talk, but that's mainly because I don't think it's available for Icelandic. Keep up the good work!
Do you have recommended CI program for Icelandic?
@@qspec2002 This is the universal CI method which includes crosstalk th-cam.com/video/illApgaLgGA/w-d-xo.html
@@qspec2002 I made my own. Are you learning Icelandic? Send me contact, and I can tell you what I used.
Cool.. keep going!!!
Saludos desde Colombia 🇨🇴
I love your honest updates!! They are appreciated. Not everyone will be able to progress at a fast level so your honesty helps those who aren’t on par with the roadmap feel like they are still somewhat on track.
Wow that's great progress! Im only at about 100 hours ci but am using many other methods as well. I would recommend looking into the carnivore diet if you want to avoid dementia. Despite the bad name that cholesterol gets, your brain needs it. Carbs and sugar really constribute to dementia and it can even be reversed by going carnivore (which is a 0 carb diet)
I went on the Carnivore diet for one month last summer and I lost 18 pounds. I was never hungry. I am planning to try carnivore again next month. Thanks for watching.
Good on ya, mate! Love the dedication. I've been learning Spanish for years, and although it can be frustrating sometimes, the journey is so rewarding
I'm binge watching your videos and now I realize how hard is to learn a new language.
By the way, your persistence is admirable. Keep going!
Thank you. Glad you enjoy watching my progress.
Smoking weed stops dementia, loads of studies on this. Also Lions Mane mushrooms.
I speak 4 languages, not all of them at same level, and what you say about forgetting words in your mother tongue happens a lot. My understanding, my own theory without any evidence but my own experience, is we only talk ONE language, with multiple words to express the same concept. The more you use one language, the more 'powerful' it gets into your brain, so it basically takes over your mind. It doesn´t matter if its your mother tongue or not.
Keep going! You are almost there. Progression isn´t linear.
Agreed. If you are putting in hundreds of hours in a target language, that language becomes more dominant. He should be proud of that progress and certainly not begin to worry about the forgetfulness or dementia.
I still dont know how to say confident in italian and Ive been living in italy all my life😂
@@orangotango9231 That´s a problem... :D
Saludos de Colombia !!
Great work. Thanks for the updates!
Admiro tu dedicación Estado aprendiendo el español en el colegio desde hace 10 años pero solo durante los últimos 3 meses en qué he empezado a espero programas de televisión en español y ahorra empezado mi pimer libro eh estoy empezando a sentir cómodo en el idioma. He seguido tus vídeos durante los continuos tres me en mi mi viaje en el imput compresible y por eso tengo el impresion que estamos aprendiendo juntos. Parece que tienes un vocabulario más grande que yo pero ya estoy leyendo un libro escrito para nativos, De hecho solo consumo el contenido para nativos no para alumnos. Estás seguro que estás consumiendo el contenido que es un reto suficiente para ti estás quedando con el contenido que entiendes casi todas.
I appreciate your discipline and determination to accomplish a goal no matter your age or the length of time to get there. May your efforts continue to maintain a healthy brain, and may language learning remain your personal passion no matter what level you are able to achieve.
Congratulations on achieving 1000 hours! Your consistency is amazing. If you really want to achieve conversational fluency you've got to start speaking. There are speaking platforms (like italki) where with a tutor you could practice with little fear of making mistakes or sounding ridiculous.
I've had the opportunity of learning a 2nd language (French) to the level of near-native fluency. I only achieved this level by regularly speaking and listening to people speak to me.
So, continue with CI, but plan to start speaking (or speak more).
Good progress. Imagine that you have already moved to Spain and start doing language learning activities all the time or at least as much as possible. I've been learning German for last 4 years. Listening everyday initially 30-60 min a day. Noticed that progress is slow and unsatisfactory. So recently increased time to many hours a day. I don't think if it is comprehensible or not. Just watching news, videos about what interests me. If you immerse yourself you may see much better results. As for speaking just practice with high amount of reps. My way is 300 reps a day of one sentence, pair of words, 3 words together etc. And do it for 5 days. So you have 1500 reps of one item. I developed that method when I was learning English to overcome speaking barrier. I took that from practicing martial arts when they repeat one technique for example 100-1000 times at one go to develop automatic responses and reactions. Similar happens in language or any other type of learning. The more you repeat the better you are.
Great idea! Thank you.
Great job! In addition to Juan's books, I've enjoyed Paco Ardit's and Olly Richards's graded readers.
Thanks! I need to purchase Juan's books. I really enjoy his humor in his videos!
Great job, Sir!
Relaxing yet Great video and approach! Keep it up 👏
I am brazilian. My mother tongue is brazilian portuguese. It is so close to spanish. If i have no Knowledge of Spanish I can understand slowest pace conversations and small texts in Spanish. To learn spanish for brazilians is very straight foward. Less than 06 month I can get fluent in spanish. If I do not study so hard.
I began read texts in Spanish about 28 years ago. Since My childhood I get used to listen radios in Spanish from Shortwave radio stations from Argentina and uruguay. I speak Río platense spanish. I do the Seseos and Voseos. I conjugate the verbs in second person of singular in "presente do indicativo" like Argentinians and Uruguayans. eg. Vos comés rather than tu comes. And i do the cheismos. Y and LL is prononce like CH. Lluvia is prononced like chuvia. Cayer is prononce like cacher.
Muy impresionante su constancia en el aprendizaje! Creo haciendo el cross talk en un punto va a sentir la necesidad de contestar en español y ahí creo sería un buen punto para agendar una clase con un tutor en italki. Algo que a mí me ha servido en el aprendizaje de idiomas son los videos de Easy Languages como Easy Spanish. Puede pausar los videos cuando hacen una pregunta e intentar a contestar.
🌹 *promo sm*
I'm gonna be that guy and point to the elephant in the room. Even without much output practice, I'm still very surprised about the accent/pronunciation with 1000 hours input
I get the sense he started from 0 with the language. I also get the sense that for some people it is harder to imitate the accent than it is for others. Feels to me like a fake it until you make it kind of thing - like a whole process of finding your “new” voice in your target language. This is based on 0 data, just my intuition.
The truth is; is that, if those 1000 hours had have been a mix of everything from the start, he would have been pretty capable in all areas by now. I’m sure it it is possible to learn a language with just input - but its gonna take 10x longer.
Fantastic job!
Ghost of my Christmas future! 950 hours for me as of this comment. Dreaming Spanish is fantastic. Glad to see you’re also out there getting after it! Congratulations on reaching this milestone!
Congratulations to you as well for getting close to 1,000 hours!
1000 hours sounds like a lot. I haven’t tracked my own studying so I can’t say for sure but it seems like a lot. I would think you could start speaking by now. Then again my Korean might be at 1000 hours too I have no idea but unless I go to Korea I don’t think I want to talk. Talking online as a beginner isn’t any fun. In person I think it can be very fun.
Really inspiring how far you've come. I would recommend Hola Lola and Olly Richard's books once you are finished with the ones you own! I know in previous videos you have said you really want to wait until the words come spilling out of you, however, I've seen many people at level 6 say that speaking is like a muscle that must be exercised, so it also might be worth beginning to practice.
Using only one method slows u down. Mixing it up with speaking praxis, a decent Spanish Course and a lot of reading makes u fluent way faster. Comprehensible input and immersion is very important but shouldnt be the only thing.
Felicitaciones. Do you think learn other language besides spanish?
Yo estoy igual que tú, pero aprendiendo inglés jajaja. ¡Saludos desde Chile!
Even at 3000 hours of input I couldn't speak until I practiced output intensely. In fact I've never heard of any learner speaking from input alone. I like Pablo, but he vastly underestimates the hours required and the importance of output practice.
3000 hours is nothing lol. I've been consuming english through input and first time i had to output with no practice i had no issues. it just takes time. your "fact" is a bias.
@INFIDEL96 Interesting. Did you notice your target language starting to emerge at some point? If so, at how many hours? With young children, language emerges very slowly and at some point the language comes at an exponential rate.
@@tinynhhouse5467 i never "studied" english or saw english as a target language. i just enjoyed content (cartoons, video games, movies) for 6 hours a day on average. i remember i could understand comortably everything i consumed after around 2-3 years. sometime after i had an epiphany moment 'wait, i understand everything... all the time... cool" later i moved to an english speaking country and had to actually use english for the first time which i had no problems with at all. actually got into university without having to sit a language test which is a standard practice for non native speakers. interview was enough.
rough timeline i'd say:
2-3 years for confortable comprehension,
another 2-3 years till i had a 'i understand everything, all the time" moment,
8 years after i moved to an english speaking country and had no issues with speaking at all
at what point i could've been speaking comfortably? i don't know. never tried. but probably way sooner.
@@一本のうんちI wouldn't say that 3,000 hours is nothing and then proceed to "lol" at that statement. With doing 2 hours per day it will take you over 4 years to achieve that many hours in your target language. You also failed to mention how many hours you have been putting in before you started speaking or before you started to get good at speaking. What was the point of your comment? To be a jerk? Why not be more specific about your language learning journey in your comment?
Pablo has stated that of course output is needed but not nearly as much as input and that is a fact.
An example could be 3000 hours of input and 500 hours of output.
Muy bien amigo, el próximo video queremos verte más rato hablando español.
Also my mom had dementia too so that is a big part of my motivation for learning a second language. I’m just about to hit 300 hours…way behind you. Congrats on level 6 👏
I've been waiting on this video! nice job. and ou're doing great. It takes as long as it takes and I can't wait to see your 1500 hour video.
Thank you! I hope to be speaking more in Spanish at 1500 hours!
@@tinynhhouse5467 That would be great! Then we can compare the individual levels even better :) Hasta luego!
Look at the progress you have. I'm so proud of you. Keep going!
Hola Compadre: Hey amigo. Keep up the great contact with the language. Yep. Cross talk is awesome. You are definitely a kindred spirit. I really started cranking up on comprehensible input with French during the pandemic. I did some cross talk with a French speaking colleague at school (I'm a Spanish teacher--learned it while I was living in Costa Rica for two years in the mid seventies) I spoke to him in Spanish and he answered in French. Fantastic.
Yes. Indeed. The so called "beginner" texts are really hard at the beginning. The way I solved this problem for my French was to take all my wonderful tunes---cajun, creole, zydeco songs from Louisiana, and tons of really fun, beautiful songs in Quebec and Acadian French---On the left side, are the lyrics and on the right side, I found the English translations and put them on the right side along side the French. So I can listen to the tune--access the meaning with the translation and then when I go to work out in the gym in the mornings, I can listen to these tunes and listen to the lyrics while I am working out. It's just really enjoyable. I really have grown my vocabulary this way. And I have hit the conversational level now which is way fun. Anyway, you really look like you're enjoying yourself with your cross talk, and the reading and listening. I guarantee you that by sticking to it, which I have no doubt you will, because you are enjoying it--you will achieve fluency. And when you do, it's going to be the bomb! So Salud y ¡Un brindis por la salud de nuestros cerebros!
Thank you for the encouragement!
from the start of your journey to learn Spanish until today at 1000 hours, how long has it been in terms of (weeks, months, years ) thanks?
I started Dreaming Spanish in January 2022 and reached 1000 hours in early February 2024, so it has been about 25 months. That averages out to 1 hour and 20 minutes of comprehensible input per day.
Your videos are so encouraging! I love seeing your progress! Any tips on how to find a crosstalk partner? I'm a portuguese comprehensible input channel by the way, if anyone here is interested!
Facebook has a group called Crosstalk Language Exchange Network with 600 members.
@@tinynhhouse5467 Thanks! I'll look it up!
Great video thank you for sharing. I like to read books by Cristina López bilingual books.
Thank you for the suggested books!
Dave, eres un crack! 💥
I can totally identify with your Spanish comprehensive input journey. I’m on exactly the same page as you. I can read and understand Spanish, but when it comes to speak the language then that’s the stumbling block for me. This is because of circumstances beyond my control as I live in the UK. There is a scarcity of native Spanish speakers where I live, and if I stumble across one then they tend not to want to speak Spanish because they live in England to learn English. I catch 22 situation for people in the same situation as me.
Mate, the only way around that is to jump on a language exchange site and practice with native speakers. I use Italki and thats been brilliant for me. They have teachers and tutors for all levels from A1 to C2.
Mate, the only way around that is to jump on a language exchange site and practice with native speakers. I use Italki and thats been brilliant for me. They have teachers and tutors for all levels from A1 to C2.
Good for you, keep it up
Interesting. I think I am also at the same point, I can understand slow patient speakers, but hardly anything non trivial from real life. I do have a comment, I think that just comprehensible input may not be enough on its own. Whilst it works you may get quicker results by working in hybrid with another technique such as formal training.
I would suggest you watch this video where Pablo explains what CI is and the research which has been done on CI. The research section begins at 4:25 of the video.
th-cam.com/video/M5RwvFnsZ_g/w-d-xo.html
@@tinynhhouse5467ah yes I watched for 4.25 my thought these days is after trying CI for years (I guess it depends on the definition of CI, what you include or exclude as CI) that certainly CI is a crucial piece of the puzzle however I don't believe CI to be great at learning finer detail. In his first example he actually describes closed loop learning, not just CI. The kids and parents talk to each other and that's how finer improvement is made. In the baby stage its mostly CI, but it evolves. That is to say, you will not learn to drive a car from comprehensible input, you will not earn a doctorate from just observations. There needs to be some feedback into the system to learn and refine. Likewise in some sense grammar could be a form of CI, and help close the loop or so to speak.
@@TheWandererTiles If you have the time, read this blog post from Pablo about acquiring a mental image.
www.dreamingspanish.com/blog/how-to-play-a-foreign-language
As I understand it, CI provides us with a mental image of the sounds, vocabulary and grammar of the target language. When we start speaking, our brains compare our spoken word to the mental image we have for that word and we adjust our pronunciation to match. This is the feedback portion and corresponds to your learning to drive a car example.
Remember that I studied several traditional Spanish learning courses before starting CI, so I am familiar with most of the Spanish grammar. The huge improvement for me with CI, is the ability to understand the spoken language.
@@tinynhhouse5467 I agree nobody can learn a language with just grammar. And if you don't prioritize activities like CI, I'm not sure the point of bothering to learn grammar would be. I imagine you are in a better position now that you are doing CI AND have already studied grammar.
However I think the author of that blog overcooks the CI pudding a bit.
The feedback I was referring to was not so much to do with mechanics of producing speech, but rather necessary input for understanding the finer points of language, that you won't ever get without some output. (Just as we adults rightly correct young childrens speech). So much of language are abstract concepts, and behavioural, cultural features, and so on which require discourse and interaction to understand.
As the saying goes something like "to do business, you must be in business".
It's nice that you're learning Spanish. When you said "acabo" it is the present tense of the verb "acabar" you should have used "acabé" since you accomplished two weeks ago 1,000 hours of comprehensible input, it is the past tense of the aforementioned verb; Hence the whole sentence would be "Hace dos semanas yo acabé 1000 horas de input comprensible". Even though it is a valid sentence it doesn't sound natural to me (I'm a native spanish speaker) I would use "hice" instead of "acabe"; Also, in Spanish we don't often use the pronoun in every sentence we do, in this case I would absolutely drop the pronoun "Yo"; Therefore, the final sentence would be: "Hace dos semanas hice 1000 horas de input comprensible".
Thank you! 🙂
Have you tried podcasts?
Yes, I listen to Cuentame and Espanol con Juan podcasts.
@@tinynhhouse5467 gracias! Conozco Español con Juan pero el otro no. Gracias.
You should try TPRS 2.0. The highest students are getting to intermediate mid in 60-80 hours and the lowest student are getting to intermediate low in 110. I believe it is the fastest way to fluency.
2.0 is new to me. How's it different?
EDIT: found Jeff Brown's video on it. Very compelling, but need more info still
Sure
Who is Pablo?
Pablo Roman is the creator of Dreaming Spanish with the purpose of helping people acquire Spanish through Comprehensible Input.
This is Pablo's Linkedin page:
www.linkedin.com/in/romanpablo/?originalSubdomain=th