The SHOCKING Thing Scientology Did To Me
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- Alex Barnes-Ross worked with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman's daughter Isabella Cruise in London, and gives us a pretty unique insight into Scientology's operations in the UK. After being expelled from the Church of Scientology, he tells his insane story about being locked in a room. We also look at the differences between scientology in the US versus UK, its tax status and L. Ron Hubbard's bizarre British history.
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Chapters:
0:00 Sneaky Way Scientology Convinced Alex To Join
6:00 What's So GOOD About Scientology?
8:40 What His Schoolmates Thought!
11:30 Way of Selling Books (Insane!)
14:30 Orgs Around the UK (And Going IDEAL)
16:00 Shall We Go To One? (Comment Below)
21:00 Alex Would Still Be There If Not For THIS
24:25 Tom Cruise's Daughter Bella Cruise!
31:00 L. Ron Hubbard's UK History
35:30 Scientology's Mad Tax Status Around The World
39:27 How Much $ Alex Lost To Scientology
41:30 Fraud: Scientology Bankrupted Its Own Members
44:50 Scientology Locked Alex Up!
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Did you know about the scientologists in the UK? And who shall I interview next?
What are those clowns doing over here in the UK? They need to leave.
Next one should be Claire Headley 😅
@@alexandracarvalho1661 Yes I need to remember to reach out, she's brilliant! Wish she was in England so I could do this in person. Same with Marc, Aaron, Chris etc!
If you don't go to one of those org's you'll never hear the end of it
@@WillieWeed haha we MIGHT!
What I’ve never understood about Scientology is, if going clear means that you get control over your emotions and your “reactive mind,” why is Tom Cruise known for losing his cool at employees on his film sets? Sounds like he needs a refund on all of his auditing sessions!
They cater to him. He's the biggest star they have and he's very close with the leader. He's untouchable. So yeah, it's gone to his head
I got a ❤️from Andrew!!🥰
I think the stated reason could be that he does it deliberately to discipline staff.
@@urutherford Well he just winds up looking like a lunatic!
It’s what Miscavige does, too.
I remember when I was in my early 20s I went with a friend up the road from where we worked, to pick up a friend of hers. I didnt know at the time, that he was a Scientologist and was working at the city offices(Auckland NZ) so we were in the vestibule of these offices for all of 10 minutes before we were being badgered to take a “personality test” I was just like “no thanks” and we collected the guy and left. HE then started to push going in for an “audit”. I was just like “dude, not interested” but I started talking to my friend after we dropped him off. She told me she’d taken a “personality test” and they’d told her that she was “unbalanced” and had the “potential to harm herself or others”. This girl was the kindest and gentlest person I’d ever met, and these people had made her worry about whether or not she really was unbalanced. I advised her to not listen to a word they said, and that she was as stable as anyone. It stuck with me tho cos it was just so very manipulative, telling people bad things just to scare them to come back for help…..assholes. I dislike Scientology intensely.
The woman i know you couldn't wish to meet a kinder woman ,but suppose its the vunrable ,they didn't like me wouldn't by the book they had the machine with them
They use the test to assess what will confuse and provoke. Her teat showed that kindness is important to her.
Interesting, boy do they push in still u knew best held you're own👏🏻 thanx for sharing
I'm from Auckland in NZ too and I was warned about the scientologists approaching you on the street offering questionnaires when I was a young teen in the early mid eighties to just point blank refuse because they were a manipulative cult, and I've never ever liked Tom Cruise hes a repulsive empty strange man
And they record in writing anything you get audited about so then someone has deepest secrets, that is manipulative also
I think the billion year contract would be a sticking point for me. Maybe I could spare 750 million years, but I was looking forward to at least 250 million, to wind down without any commitments. 😂
When I went to scientologists, they answered 0 questions, they'd just prompt to buy a book. I thought this was very unprofessional.
Now I start to think, they weren't really interested because we were teenagers back then and they could see that we didn't have too much money.
No, they'd say the same thing to everyone. Miscavidge doesn't trust his own people to explain it adequately.
It is a CULT
Apostate Alex tells his story. I have not as yet seen a Brit do a TH-cam video revealing recent Cult activity in the United Kingdom of the last 15 or so years. This is a FIRST ! High Fives and salutations !
Good job Andrew and Alex😀❤🙏
Wasn't that long they were in Newcastle city center ,jackson street say 6 months ,had his book all over and the machine
Nicole doesn’t talk about her children with Cruise. I’m not sure if she talks to them. The kids are adopted. Kidman has never said anything bad about the church. The rumour was that Cruise didn’t show up to the Oscars was because Kidman was going. Now if that’s true, she has some power over that man.
That wasn't the reason he didn't show up. He probably didn't show up because he felt they are now a clown show he didn't wish to participate. That is the adult guess.
@@ericwilliams626 I did say it was a rumour
I think Tom just run away from an apology he owes Nicole for his selfishness.
@@VJShordee A bad rumor.
Perhaps he was afraid there would be scientology jokes, seems to be a trend at award shows.
That whole thing about stats having to go up every week was one of the things that made me want to leave.
Being a reasonable person (?) I realized that it’s impossible to keep expanding like that. Everything reaches an equilibrium eventually. The fact that Scientology doesn’t recognize that made me think they were full of 💩!
It always sounds like the put enormous pressure on their staff.
And financially on the public members.
Why isn't this "church " being investigated by the police in light of what he's alleging regarding credit cards. That's just fraud.
Temp is 57 in Clearwater Florida, but getting up to 67. Mostly sunny. 🌞 ☀️ 🌤 🌅
Isn't it beautiful in Florida today? I'm in SW Florida and I don't remember when it was this temperature this time of year! It's so cool LoL I am kidding kinda. It's cool for FL.
It's raining and bloody freezing here in the UK.
Hey Chad my Bro ❤😎🙋♀️🇨🇦💋
What’s the weather like in Cambridge Ontario right now lol?
Pissing it down mate 😂
Andrew I'm so happy for you. Watching your channel grow exposing the truth has been such a treat. I wish you all the success you deserve.
Much appreciated
Almost 100k Subs! 🥳 Wont be long.
4:23 hey I'm from America and I just wanted to let you know that I am absolutely addicted to your channel I am so happy for you and hope that you get that hundred thousand subscribers soon🎉 I would love to see you do an in-depth dies on Meghan Markle pre Harry because I can tell you that nobody in America likes her but we all feel sorry for her today because she has let all his demons out and has brainwashed him so badly that I'm hoping that the United States will not let him back in when he goes because if you have anything to do with drugs you can come back in and then maybe he can get the help he needs and get back with his family
Me too. I'm in Australia and watching the videos is so interesting. Love the questions and how you sit and patiently wait for the speaker roll out all the information. Fantastic Andrew.
Love the way Andrew listens! He doesn’t talk over his guests.
Bella Cruise is the adopted daughter of Nicole and Tom. Tom has only one biological child - Suri w/Katy Holmes. It was a huge deal when she had her b/c rumors swirled that Tom couldn't have biological kids (Mimi Rogers had none and Nicole adopted). And, from what I understand, Tom wasn't much of a dad to Bella either - allowing Scientology to basically raise her. I don't think she had much parenting from anyone.
Exactly - Tom Cruise has issues with his fertility ...
I just wrote something similar. I guess I should have read all the comments first.. LOL
Still not convinced he has a biological child.
Yes, and both Mimi and Nicole magically had biological kids after divorcing Cruise... not speculating too hard but I still think Katie either had extensive IVF or used a donor that looked like Tom in order to quiet those rumors that were going around. Also Tom only claims 3 kids - the two that he adopted with Nicole, and then Suri. (ETA: typo)
Nicole actually was in the early stages of pregnancy when Tom packed up the house and kids and left her right after their 10th Anniversary......... she had no idea he was leaving her, and the stress made her miscarriage.
Dude was sucked in the same way I was. Watched the 2007 BBC documentary, became curious, bought Dianetics and was transported by it. Difference is that I found the people to be really weird and kept them at arms length, thankfully.
Toph, I would love to hear more about your story - is there any way you could get in touch, please? My email is on my page
Can you say what exactly it was about them ?
@@flowerjpotter1629 Off-putting intensity to the majority of them, seemed to have no real interest in anything unrelated to the subject itself. Also turned off by attempts at pressure selling when I ended up surrounded by four people in a small room trying to sell me another course. That was the final straw for me. Blessing in disguise, if they were any warmer as human beings I’d probably have been far more malleable.
@@toph8298I’ve read the majority of dianetics out of curiosity and expanding on that sense of wonder, how the hell did it transport you? I transported mine straight to the bin honestly.
Dear Andrew, I have a question. When you have Scientology insiders, can you please ask them how they take care about their elderly? Like Jews, you know, they have centers, they care for people, when they are in need, they do charity,....they care for your funeral...what do Scientologist do? Thank you. XX
You're going to hit 100000 b4 You're Birthday 🎂 🥳 congrats, Andrew in advance!
I hope so!! thank you, and love to Indiana and Kurt Vonnegut! :D
We are in a court matter of neighbour bullying. The bully is a Scientologist who took the aged victims to court claiming that they are the bullies. Your videos have taught me much in how to deal with thos monster at court
It took me a quick hot minute to remember you’re both British so you can actually sit in a room together 😅 The different format threw me haha but it’s a nice change though 🙂
I really love how you interview people, and you make it look so easy. So excited to see your channel growing.
Thank you so much!
Sound like the description of people describing what it's like to suffer from the toxic behaviour of narcissistic abuse.
Interesting that this cult taught him not to listen to his own feelings. That even Scientology kicked him out he struggled to get back in.
Exactly. Thank you
Why did Alex Barnes GO BACK to Scientology after he left the first time? He joined staff TWICE.
Couldn't have been that bad as he went back.
He told everyone he was leaving as he got a job and needed the money so couldn't stay on staff.
There was no big deal about it. Why is he making up drama that did not happen?
Wow this guy has a beautiful speaking voice! 💜
Didn't know we had that crap in UK.
Oh yes, indeed we do. In fact Scientology was run from the UK for many years, and one of the main HQs is in Sussex.
Would love to see an Edgehog school trip to UK Scientology with you and Alex!
I would notice immediately if they charged on my card without my permission.
This video was so informative! I appreciate Alex sharing his story! He has so much courage to step up and speak his truth!!!Thanks so much to both of you for this video!
I'm Australian and I was curious why Scientology is legally treated as a religion. It all flowed from one legal case decided by three justices of the High Court, the highest court in the country. All three agreed it doesn't matter if the founder of the religion was a charlatan who considered it a mere money-making scam, they must decide the case on the basis of whether its adherents considered it their religion. Which they concluded was so. So it looks like we're stuck with them as a religion for a very long time because it's hard to imagine how their decision, for those reasons, ever gets overturned. 😞
Yes because by that legal decision, they just legitimized cults. By definition the adherents to a cult believes that it's a religion. So the only thing to do is to revisit the legal premise and change the legal definition, which they absolutely should do because it's nonsensical to determine the intent and nature of an organization through the beliefs of its members who are clearly brainwashed.
@@Justicia007 If only it were that simple. The prohibition against anything that restricts the free exercise of any religion is in the Constitution. That's not going to change.
And yes, they did legitimize cults, and they did so deliberately. Their decision states, "Charlatanism is a necessary price of religious freedom."
@@rossmurray6849 I don't really know too much about the Australian legal system. Sounds like there's a similar constitution to ours here in the US?
Because even though we have decisions here that may seem set in stone, The court is free to accept a case with a similar but slightly different issue and clarify or even change their position and therefore change law.
I stand behind that court decision, as it seems just. All religions are religions. Either consider all of them not eligible for tax deduction, or none. There are a few ground pillars and if a group meets those, we gotta accept.
Assange has said a few things about sciencetology.
Allegedly Scientology used Parental Alienation to make the children choose To. Who they never see in my opinion
Ppl still affiliated with Scientology are ridiculous.
I never understood the appeal Scientology has for some people on a personal level. I got hold on a copy of "Dianetics' in 1988 as an adolescent (in the GDR even) and saw through the bullshit right away. Took me just a couple of pages. I agree that they're praying on the vulnerable.
However, though I would not fall for their BS, I would say I was still vulnerable as a young man. I guess, you've got to be vulnerable a CERTAIN WAY so that you might be in danger becoming a victim of them.
'Victim' I think is the key word here. People who fall for their lies are victims. I don't feel the need for looking down on them, because I was lucky to be vulnerable in a different (maybe just a little less than them) way. If you say that you under no circumstances couldn't have ended up being fooled by them - if you're not vulnerable at all; good for you! But it's the result of lucky circumstances that you happened to grew up in.
Righteous anger against that evil cult is necessary to bring it down. Certainly! But equally necessary is empathy and compassion for the victims.
Scientology taught me ear stretching is a questionable fashion statement.
I'm glad you took something away from this video, at least!
Scientology plays on the same impulse that people have for self help books, it's a spectrum obviously but when something appears to help and work it can suck you in.
"Source Of Trouble Declare" = "being in this insanity called scientology."
Would love to see you & Alex do a visit to an Org in the U ❤. I took my Mike Rinder bobble head to the Birmingham Org to get a pic for Marc & Claire....massive car park but only 3 cars & didn't see a soul. I was still scared though 😅😅
Cults are evil!!🫥
Great discussion. 💜
Something I think that doesn’t get mentioned enough when discussing L Ron Hubbard is that he was a *pulp fiction* writer & wrote in all sorts of genres under various pseudonyms. Romance, western, sci fi, he did it all & was paid a penny a word. His books were the inexpensive sort sold in checkout lines at drug stores & the like. 📖
He still holds the Guinness world record for most prolific writer. He had a special affinity for sci fi, as did most of his friends who were writers, and they’d meet often & spin tales with each other. I’m sure by his very plagiaristic nature he “borrowed” plenty of ideas from those around him. Wouldn’t it be fun to be a fly on the wall in those days?
I think it trained him so he could come up with pretty fantastical stuff on a moment’s notice when he eventually turned his attention to Scientology.
I understand he was very sadistic
I read a lot of his SF as a child so when I eventually heard about Dianetics I simply couldn't take it seriously. In the early seventies I came across other SF writers exploring the theme of messiahs and prophets. I think Robert Silverberg was one. They depicted cynical salespeople putting on a messianic facade and also truthful dupes being manipulated by politicians. I think I've been innoculated against cults from a young age.
I've just found on Google maps the Edinburgh building guess where this SP is going soon 😂
Send pics to Marc Headley for his show.
I watched a video of some young adults went into a Scientology building the guy had glasses with the camera in them. It is the funniest videos ever. He really went full blown extra 😂😂😂
Reckless Ben. Andrew was supposed to do a live interview with him but Ben flaked and never turned up.
Every few people talk about how much money they have given to this organisation. Do they not see its a scam.
they enjoy it as a tax write-off
Would LOVE to see you and Alex visit an org! I enjoyed your interview with him immensely. Nice to see Scientology from an English point of view. ❤ from San Diego!
Seven years later and I am still operating on Scientology principles. It still effects my thinking, my behaviour etc. And quite franckly a part of me does not want to let go because the personality overlay that it created ensures that I can no longer be hurt or controlled. I had alot of anxiety before Scientology which I no longer have. I can't even begin to explain the mind xxxx . I feel like I have lived in multiple Sci-fi movies like equilibrium, the giver etc.
Thank you for your comment, this is totally relatable and I'm here to tell you, you are not alone.
Sad 😞
Humankind doesn't need cults like Scientology we all can create our own reality just by meditating and being present with oneself! Imagination creates!
@@KAREN-rx9pq Amen!
@@apostatealex Thank you Alex. I had my comments turned off for months and only see this now. Have you been able to unravel the mental effect Scientology had on you yet? Is there an estimated timeline to when I will begin to feel like my kind empathetic former self? I was also part of GAT II
he thought he was intelligent but turns out he was just the opposite.
The sheer look of terror on Nicole Ks face and the faces of allllllll the women that were in a "relationship" w Mapother ...puke...😢
The fact that David Miscaviage was so threatened by and concerned about Kidman, and seemingly not concerned at all with Holmes, tells u all you need to know about those two very distinctly different marriages.
This was brilliant! Thanks Andrew & Alex.
I missed the Live airing of this video..I had to work over today,and now I am watching the replay..
This behavior reminds me exactly like World Wide Dream Builders Amway…. Cult cult cult
Thank you Andrew, this was a great interview. You make your guests very comfortable. Nice to see your subscribers growing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fascinating to hear Alex's story, a great interview.
Yeah! You guys are together!! Love you both. Tom and Nicole didn’t have any bio kids. The only bio kid Tom has is Suri. Nicole had a miscarriage right before Tom filed for divorce.
Bella was adopted as well as her brother. Great video!!!
Great interview!!!! 99k now!!!!! WOW!!!
99,1k ;D
Thank you so much, you are so supportive :)
Yessss!
@@AndrewGold1 With great reason !!!
OMG was he gullible. This is painful.
Great interview 👏
Great interview, Andrew. Thanks for speaking out, Alex. Very interesting. I don't feel it's necessary to visit Scientology, Andrew. There are enough people coming forward, just interview them. 💜
Looking forward to it!!
Great interview. Very eye opening!
I just LOVE how Andrew Gold interviews people. Letting the guest tell his story without interrupting much and doesn't make the conversation about him like some other podcasters (**cough** Joe Rogan **cough**)
It’s so confusing that the brits call high school, college 😂 can you imagine meeting a young woman/ man/ boy/ girl and they say I’m in college so you thinking they at least 18 or up when they really 15-16 years old 😭
We Brits find it weird when a US adult says they are in school. Schools are for children! So we tend to assume you must be a teacher.
sun shinning in hawaii heavy rain clouds on the mountains,wanna hear this one lol
Thank you for a great interview 🙏 🐨
Great stuff. Thank you Andrew
Excellent interview!
Fascinating guest Andrew, ❤️ many thanks
Great interview x
so interesting, thanks for sharing 🖤
Love this so much!
The "blue building" in L.A. is the American Saint Hill Organization (ASHO), formerly the Cedar-Sinai hospital....
Thank you, Andrew and Alex. From South Africa 🇿🇦
Happy to see an in person interview. Thank you Andrew!
Great episode and yesssss, please visit that place with Alex!
Excellent discussion. I remember the book shop in Tottenham Court Road ! That in itself was extremely weird.
been passed the plymouth org and seen their stall in the market.
These critical thinkers, who don’t trust journalists, and think they know it better. Then do their own research and step in the trap! Think on your own isn‘t a good advice to many people!
Almost at the magic number! Can't wait to see that play button.
a sociopath created a "bridge" to sociopathy.
YAY!!! You made it 100K! Congratulations!!
Sorry I missed the live stream! Thank you for this, it was great to chat with you!
Great interview
Fantastic interview.
Many thanks!
Great interview Andrew…you are always engaged with the conversation, it really does make a difference.
🙋♀️ Howdy, Andrew & Alex. Here on the rewatch crew about to dive in soon. See you on the other side. . .
Hi Andrew, what a fantastic and really well produced interview. That was really impressive and very professionally done. More like this! Loved it.
Really interesting viewpoint. Really great interview as always
Thank you! Im glad you thought so
Very thankful to you Andrew! You are educating us, your followers, about a very important matter, essential to everyone: religion.The dangers,or let’s call it, “dark side”, of some beliefs in the context of cults. To be truthful all cults make shiver.
Yes definitely go visit. Would be fascinating.
We owned a building in Sunderland that had Scientology as a tenant. After some time they stopped paying rent so we sent the bailiff to East Grinstead and got paid there. The empty offices had a bank of five showers….always wondered what that was about.
WOW, Joanne I would LOVE to hear more about this - Is there any chance you could get in touch with me please? My email is in the description of my vids & on my channel About page
I used to walk past that building as an adolescent and I was tempted to go in based on the posters in the window. Thank goodness I was too shy to go in!
Great interview 👍
Wonderful interview. I am a sub of both of you❣️
Congratulations on reaching 100K subscribers! ❤😊
100k, congrats!!
Penelope Cruz has spoken out about Scientology. She has said that Scientology was why she stopped seeing Tom Cruise.
@Timothy Mc Yes, same as why the Beckhams distanced themselves from Cruise. He was coming on really strong and pushing to hard for them to join Scientology. Many others have said similar things. Kidman has previously alluded to it, albeit somewhat vaguely.
No she never said that.... sorry
I can’t understand how someone as talented l
My sister and her first year uni chums did one of those diabetic personality tests in the mid 1980s. Her results were that she was too happy and they didn’t have anything to sell her. Imagine a cult who wants to recruit everyone rejected her!!!!!
Well done Andrew 100k.
Wake up people, Scientology traffic’s children!
Congratulations on 100K!!
🎉🎊 🎉
Oh, and congrats on the 100k good sir 🎉🥳
Congratulations on 100,000!!!!
Thank you!!
Andrew, you are such an incredible interviewer and I enjoy watching all of your videos and I always learn something new. 💗
Glad you enjoy it!
I got sucked in to doing one of those stupid tests yrs ago, being unaware that it was scientology to begin with until I heard someone else say it, got out of there real fast as I knew someone whose Mum was in it in LA and she was telling how bad it was. Thank God I knew before falling for their oppressive crap.