just imagine if...BeOS was licensed or bought out by Amiga in the late 90s. Amiga bringing the hardware and Be the OS, what a combo! Amiga was working on PowerPC at this stage just needed a powerful OS from workbench. We could be looking at Windows98 killer system.
You should have mentioned MorphOS in this, because it appeared when phase5 was closed. MorphOS supports powerup made apps also. bPlan were sort of the next phase5/DCE company. Pegasos, Pegasos II and Efika PPC motherboards were produced by bPlan/Genesi. AmigaOS 4 got released on Pegasos II however. MorphOS is very important part of the PowerPC Amiga era. It sort of gathered Amiga users which waited for AmigaOS 4 and those that couldnt afford AmigaOne hardware which was more expensive than the Pegasos platform. Other than this. Very nice video!
To my knowledge, Gateway only was in the picture after Escom went bankrupt. It was mainly Escom and commodore UK competing for Amiga after Commodore went bankrupt.
Interesting, non-standard and over priced machines that cannot keep up with the rapid changes in industry. Dave Haynie could see it before anything was brought to market so why couldn't anyone else? It was clear by the mid to late 90s the Amiga was only ever going to be an alternative to Windows for hobbyists, the jump should have been made to Intel CPUs and off the shelf PC components so it ran on the same hardware as Windows did. Hardware manufacturing should have been abandoned and the Amiga should have just continued as a stand alone OS for x86 architecture. Imagine how it could have been by now if the correct decisions had been taken 20 years ago, small efficient Amiga kernel and OS with 3ghz 8 core CPUs, 16gb ram and all the other fantastic hardware there is now all open to bedroom programmers.
Its difficult to say now but it makes no sense to use ppc in this day and age but they have 20 years of legacy software to use. having said that - so did Apple and they jumped ship in 2005. I can't say i understand the ppc argument now...even the new motherboards will be £400 or so and for a ppc this is cheap but its still slow compared to current motherboards and cpus even in the budget sector...
Completely agree. The time is well past for the Amiga scene to swallow it's pride and move to the industry standard hardware that is prevalent today. Not since Commodore has it been practical for whoever owns the Amiga to manufacture custom hardware for the Amiga range of computers and to still be attempting to use obscure components in new boards now is just lunacy. Rewrite the whole thing for x86 and work closely with Toni Willen to utilise his awesome emulator writing skills to integrate some form of backwards compatibility to keep us old timers happy.
i agree , I'm sure some wiz kid to add a zorro slot on an x86 board for good measure. having said that, hyperion has new management now and they seem to be more willing to hear to x86 for OS4 argument or so i heard..
points well stated but who says Wintel/PC-based CPUs and components are affordable really? yes, there are MANY cheap hardware under that combination but are they really good too? to be fair, yes, some are quite fine and decent but some, perhaps most, not quite so! that means if you want a really powerful Wintel PC machine you're talking of paying at least 3K$ (and more!) to get a really good one! besides, if we're talking games-dedicated machines and setups here (which is what most Amiga users love to have even today) then what could an Amiga platform (OS in particular) do even if we run it on a Wintel/PC-based system NATIVELY without emulation? the answer is quite simple: none of the super fancy games today would still run on such an Amiga system `cause no games making firms are willing to import their products for the Amiga platform anyway because games (and apps of all kinds) for the Amiga have always been super easy targets for piracy! (unless we're going to reverse engineer the Amiga OS in a way it'd no longer be what it really is at its very core? yes? then would that be a true Amiga OS really?) now, in a world where even at least half the Wintel PC toys are made for the game industry and majority of powerful intel or AMD CPUs are designed and produced for that sector of the market, what chances would the Amiga really have were it to rely on Wintel/PC hardware and infrastructure alone? the only 'solution' for such a 'problem' that comes to my mind right now, would be a dual (multiple) boot PC system with Wintel or AMD components in it that could be capable of running Windows AS WELL AS a native AmigaOS separately at least, if not side by side simultaneously ... would such a 'beautiful beast' be possible to make? yes, i'm sure it is `cause almost nothing is impossible in the computer industry, right? :-) but the main question still remains valid here too: would such a lovely system be low cost as well? mmm...
And that is why Aros os is done.Developping it have gained some speed and you can install it old or new computer.Of course all hardware is not supported yet but they are updating all the time.And that is why they need donations and support.
Yeah tried to install the free version of Aros and failed, it would not support my hardware, even if i used a older machine. I would only consider supporting it if i got drivers for all my hardware. Even tried to install Aros on a Asus EEE which is on the list of supported hardware/laptops. Well it failed as well. Much better off just buying a rasberry pi and installing amibian.
X5000 and A1222+ are ridiculously out-dated systems. Next generation Amigas should abandon PowerPC as an architecture. A-Eon should develop an ARM based system with USB 3.2, PCIe x16 Gen 4 (at least), Sata III, M.2 support, and support for at least DDR4, with Hyperion developing OS5 for ARM-based systems. A modern ARM-based OS5 could easily provide emulated compatibility layers to run ClassicOS and OS4 applications natively. Radeon RX graphics support can still be included natively in the OS, but SOC graphics can be provided from the ARM chip. Existing PPC Amigas are over-priced, under-powered, and serve to fill no real niche, where an ARM-based Amiga could give X86 systems a run for their money.
just imagine if...BeOS was licensed or bought out by Amiga in the late 90s.
Amiga bringing the hardware and Be the OS, what a combo! Amiga was working on PowerPC at this stage just needed a powerful OS from workbench.
We could be looking at Windows98 killer system.
Cool, no one could've imagined the price of PPC accelerators as vintage computing devices :D
£1000 now?
@@mjnurney I think around 1500EUR average….so thereabouts.
Wow that’s a lot
You should have mentioned MorphOS in this, because it appeared when phase5 was closed. MorphOS supports powerup made apps also. bPlan were sort of the next phase5/DCE company. Pegasos, Pegasos II and Efika PPC motherboards were produced by bPlan/Genesi. AmigaOS 4 got released on Pegasos II however. MorphOS is very important part of the PowerPC Amiga era. It sort of gathered Amiga users which waited for AmigaOS 4 and those that couldnt afford AmigaOne hardware which was more expensive than the Pegasos platform. Other than this. Very nice video!
Distrita your right there is a lot more info to add ... I may revisit this one day in a longer video
To my knowledge, Gateway only was in the picture after Escom went bankrupt. It was mainly Escom and commodore UK competing for Amiga after Commodore went bankrupt.
Tim D indeed it was , escom only after commodore UK were shafted by escom.
As far as I remember, Gateway were only interested in the brand name / IP. Then they went bust too.
I miss my 240mhz 040/25 overclocked to 40mhz encoded many an mp3 with it back in the day :-)
PPC stuff is so expensive now , a vampire is a faster and cheaper option
@@mjnurney a vampire is faster than the ppc ?
In cpu instructions , yes.
@@mjnurney maby someone should do some testing :-)
Interesting, non-standard and over priced machines that cannot keep up with the rapid changes in industry. Dave Haynie could see it before anything was brought to market so why couldn't anyone else? It was clear by the mid to late 90s the Amiga was only ever going to be an alternative to Windows for hobbyists, the jump should have been made to Intel CPUs and off the shelf PC components so it ran on the same hardware as Windows did. Hardware manufacturing should have been abandoned and the Amiga should have just continued as a stand alone OS for x86 architecture. Imagine how it could have been by now if the correct decisions had been taken 20 years ago, small efficient Amiga kernel and OS with 3ghz 8 core CPUs, 16gb ram and all the other fantastic hardware there is now all open to bedroom programmers.
Its difficult to say now but it makes no sense to use ppc in this day and age but they have 20 years of legacy software to use. having said that - so did Apple and they jumped ship in 2005. I can't say i understand the ppc argument now...even the new motherboards will be £400 or so and for a ppc this is cheap but its still slow compared to current motherboards and cpus even in the budget sector...
Completely agree. The time is well past for the Amiga scene to swallow it's pride and move to the industry standard hardware that is prevalent today. Not since Commodore has it been practical for whoever owns the Amiga to manufacture custom hardware for the Amiga range of computers and to still be attempting to use obscure components in new boards now is just lunacy. Rewrite the whole thing for x86 and work closely with Toni Willen to utilise his awesome emulator writing skills to integrate some form of backwards compatibility to keep us old timers happy.
i agree , I'm sure some wiz kid to add a zorro slot on an x86 board for good measure. having said that, hyperion has new management now and they seem to be more willing to hear to x86 for OS4 argument or so i heard..
points well stated but who says Wintel/PC-based CPUs and components are affordable really?
yes, there are MANY cheap hardware under that combination but are they really good too?
to be fair, yes, some are quite fine and decent but some, perhaps most, not quite so!
that means if you want a really powerful Wintel PC machine you're talking of paying at least 3K$ (and more!) to get a really good one!
besides, if we're talking games-dedicated machines and setups here (which is what most Amiga users love to have even today) then what could an Amiga platform (OS in particular) do even if we run it on a Wintel/PC-based system NATIVELY without emulation?
the answer is quite simple: none of the super fancy games today would still run on such an Amiga system `cause no games making firms are willing to import their products for the Amiga platform anyway because games (and apps of all kinds) for the Amiga have always been super easy targets for piracy! (unless we're going to reverse engineer the Amiga OS in a way it'd no longer be what it really is at its very core? yes? then would that be a true Amiga OS really?)
now, in a world where even at least half the Wintel PC toys are made for the game industry and majority of powerful intel or AMD CPUs are designed and produced for that sector of the market, what chances would the Amiga really have were it to rely on Wintel/PC hardware and infrastructure alone?
the only 'solution' for such a 'problem' that comes to my mind right now, would be a dual (multiple) boot PC system with Wintel or AMD components in it that could be capable of running Windows AS WELL AS a native AmigaOS separately at least, if not side by side simultaneously ...
would such a 'beautiful beast' be possible to make?
yes, i'm sure it is `cause almost nothing is impossible in the computer industry, right? :-)
but the main question still remains valid here too: would such a lovely system be low cost as well?
mmm...
with all due respect, but even x86 is a more or less dead system now, isn't it?
it's all about x64 today, right?
Very interesting :)
pleased you liked it
And that is why Aros os is done.Developping it have gained some speed and you can install it old or new computer.Of course all hardware is not supported yet but they are updating all the time.And that is why they need donations and support.
Yeah tried to install the free version of Aros and failed, it would not support my hardware, even if i used a older machine. I would only consider supporting it if i got drivers for all my hardware. Even tried to install Aros on a Asus EEE which is on the list of supported hardware/laptops. Well it failed as well. Much better off just buying a rasberry pi and installing amibian.
I want a A1222, affordable and small
go buy it, and choose a good frame for it, too.
Not so affordable it seems and nearly a decade late
X5000 and A1222+ are ridiculously out-dated systems. Next generation Amigas should abandon PowerPC as an architecture. A-Eon should develop an ARM based system with USB 3.2, PCIe x16 Gen 4 (at least), Sata III, M.2 support, and support for at least DDR4, with Hyperion developing OS5 for ARM-based systems. A modern ARM-based OS5 could easily provide emulated compatibility layers to run ClassicOS and OS4 applications natively. Radeon RX graphics support can still be included natively in the OS, but SOC graphics can be provided from the ARM chip.
Existing PPC Amigas are over-priced, under-powered, and serve to fill no real niche, where an ARM-based Amiga could give X86 systems a run for their money.
Not going to happen.
@@LukeAGuest obviously. Hardware devs can't drag their heads out of the past. PPC is a dead platform