@sweetclaire06 Don't know why so many air heads keep quoting Sylvia Fink as if MMS killed her or something. The autopsy NEVER concluded any such thing. She may have been drinking MMS at the time she died; my Grandfather was drinking a cup of tea when he died, but that doesn't mean the cup of tea killed him. I know people who started on MMS too late and died while on the MMS, but the family know the MMS may haved helped if they didn't leave the cancer so long before trying MMS.
@sweetclaire06 Actually you did only mention Chlorine Dioxide; "Actually chronic exposure to chlorine dioxide is a problem for professional swimmers". Although I take Chlorine Dioxide daily, I have never suffered all the problems that YOU claim. I put more confidence in MY results rather than YOUR claims.
@pondman27 "With all that media coverage and a complete absence of any evidence that MMS is either harmful or ineffective when used as directed," Sylvia Fink
@TheSimpleyes"I had a dentist innitiate the very same procedure without realising what he was up to" Let me ask you a question.Does "Pondman's" answer to you sound at all believable? I don't know how dentists practice in the UK but in the US it's inconceivable to me that a dentist would unknowingly to the patient plow ahead a begin to preform a root canal without first discussing the procedure before hand.Does this sound at all plausible?
There is now and Trump passed a law stating that if you want to use it, you can have your doctor shoot a syringe on it straight into the cancer tumor to dissolve it from inside out. There is a website that picked it up, a list of doctors. They are now posting testimony after testimony from person to person with test results. I told my doctor I won't take the pharm pills she gives me but I just need the blood work done by her for my insurance to pay for it. She said the proof is in the test. She redid my blood work after 6 weeks and called me and told me to keep doing whatever I am doing because my Thyroid levels were at a 5 and now they are below 4. They inflammation in my blood work was at 10 and now that is down too. I strained my hip somehow and it swelled in the joint and my thigh bone was pushed out due to swelling. The ER doctor could not help me and told me I would eventually need a hip replacement. I rubbed strong concentrated MMS on my thigh to clean the area and disinfect and have it on the surface to pull through the skin. I rubbed DMSO with it so it could cross the blood barrier. The very next day I was jumping up into the truck.
there was not test to back it up or research because Bill Gates point blank told him in a letter that he placed in his book, that he believed the population was too high now and he would not help him save lives. They black balled him and would not let no one help fund him to do the research and surveys. There is footage of the RED CROSS doing it in Africa and it cured all malaria patients in 24 hours. They said it never happened. He has the videos on his page. I watched them when he was alive.
@nz000roger777 Can you in all honesty tell me what the "long term effects" might be? We know it's a powerful oxidizer.That means it will oxidize the first thing it comes in contact with, the lining of your intestinal tract. We know this lining is very important for the role it plays in one's natural immunity.People who have taken MMS over time are beginning to come forward with damaged immune systems.Chronic infections. You advise people to drink MMS.Will YOU take responsibility for harming?
Rhys, I am part of a large group of parents and individuals with autism from all over the world that have also been trying to get the word out about this poison, its unbelievable how widespread its use is, especially with the publication of Kelly Rivera's book on the subject. The website is bancdmms.com twitter handle is @banmmsscum. We have several blogs written, memes to share etc. Please visit the site and leave a comment so we can work together on this!
***** You're so, so completely wrong. The Red Cross themselves have publicly stated they've never been involved in any trials on MMS: www.ifrc.org/en/news-and-media/opinions-and-positions/opinion-pieces/2013/ifrc-strongly-dissociates-from-the-claim-of-a-miracle-solution-to-defeat-malaria/ It would be HUGELY unethical for the Red Cross to become involved in the testing of an unproven drug, as you and the video states. It just didn't happen.
I've been using MMS personally for 10 years... It's worked wonders for me, my family and friends.... more and more ppl are jumping on the band wagon. Our experience has shown immediate results for Excema, yeast infections, bladder infections, urinary tract infections, severe burn infections, cancer, rashes etc.... This stuff is the real deal - now as soon as i get a symptom, I take a dose (as per the procedures) - I can feel it working in a couple of hours.... AMAZING.
Doctors have now picked it up in 115 countries and curing children of Autism. I used it on my skin cancer and I woke the next day and it was gone. I got out of a hip replacement where the doctors said I would need, and I rubbed this on my hip with some DMSO and the next day I was jumping up in my husband's truck. A chiropractic doctor witnessed this because she disagreed with the doctors, but who are they? The doctors say they aren't real doctors. My dermatologist doctor asked me what I used, she was amazed but I am sure she thought, this can't get out because I will be without a job. My mom's sciatic nerve in her hip instantly stopped hurting when she rubbed this on her hip. My grandson has not been sick since I found it and started using it. If it is poison, then you better stop drinking your tap water. They use this same thing in your water you drink and give to your children, This just uses citric acid (vit c) to help it with your immune system in healing than harsher acid activators. I watch these actors and can not help but to laugh at their lies. I think they should be sued for saying it is bleach. That is a false slander lie. I am pretty sure they can say it now though in news because in their contract they are listed as entertainment now and not news.
@sstylianou um... unless I'm missing something, the FDA is an American organization. This is a British TV show about the activities of a Welsh health activist. Where does the FDA fit in?
@nz000roger777 I don't believe I said the problems were only with chlorine dioxide.Other chemicals used for disinfecting pools are also a problem.In fact the problems weren't quite as much a problem with chlorine dioxide because lower concentrations are needed than with other chems.Still the problems are the same with all of the disinfectants. They are,, asthma and respiratory problems, exzema from skin contact,loss of dentin.Lenntech disinfectants chlorine dioxide.
@sweetclaire06 Not only that, the trials on chlorine dioxide carried out by the National Institute of Health in Washington, wouldn't have concluded it was safe if it causes all the problems you state. I sprayed chlorine dioxide directly on my skin cancer and it was gone within a week; don't see how that could be classed as "skin problems".
@peri525 "FDA has received several reports of consumers who got sick from drinking the MMS and citrus juice mixture. The reports say consumers suffered from nausea, severe vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure caused by dehydration."
@sweetclaire06 You need to tell your water company and your food providers to stop this outrage! But dont worry about the fluride, thats the good stuff
@nz000roger777 Sorry I got confused, I honestly thought YOU diagnosed your sister in laws cancer too. It gets confusing sometimes when these comments get chopped up.So what KIND of cancer are you claiming MMS cured in your sister in law?
@GuyChapmancentral "Right, so you admit there is no credible evidence for MMS". On the contrary, I have stated nothing of the kind. Now when would you like to enter into the live discussion. The venue should serve your cause well since I know that the audience reaches approximately 140 countries with a regular attendance of about a thousand and live interaction with over a hundred people engaging in asking questions. Over to you
@pondman27 I do not take part in unmoderated discussions, especially with cranks. Moderated discussions, yes. I live in the UK, I have taken part in conferences in the US and around Europe, but panel discussions always moderated.
@nz000roger777 So what you're saying is that by putting it in the stomach it is able to find its way to anything that's wrong in the rest of the body and cure it without damaging the body itself?? Use your brain ...
@drpaulmorgan IN A COURT OF LAW. the MOST POWERFUL evidence, is that given under OATH as first hand!!! Yet you poor souls in your "CALLOUS DISREGARD", prefer instead to believe the rhetoric of the pharmaceutical corporations and their sponsored publications. If by my own wisdom and gnosis, I cure myself and receive evidence from others confirming the same findings, I am inclined to agree with them. Since neither YOU nor Dr Mark POrter are prepared to enter the debate, you have no standing.
And still GuyChapmancentral nore any other critic can answer the question as to why people that have been harmed by MMS are not up in arms and posting here?
@nz000roger777Because the ONLY abnormal finding at autopsy was an astronomically high 45% level of methemoglobin in her blood.Methemoglobin basically results in the inability of blood to carry oxygen within the body causing cyanosis (lack of oxygen to the system). The report states that if the 45% saturation reading was accurate and existed at time of death, this is consistent with exposure to chlorate and chlorite.It couldn't be more clear.She died from O2 starvation. from MMS
@Simunye1969 And if the irritation provided by these untested caustic chemicals lead to eventual stomach or esophageal cancers, will you still extol the virtues of the treatment? Diseases tend to occur because of specific causes. When someone offers you a "cure all" for illnesses that share no connection, skepticism and suspicion should be your first reaction. If you insist on taking MMS be vigilant in following up with your GP or you may suffer long term harm.
@GuyChapmancentral Now let us compare the so called scientific literature with what the alternative popular literature reveals. Take for example the proclamations of the Royal Society in terms of its roll in mandating the deployment of organophosphates that led to BSE! The challenge remains and your court. Remain at that keyboard tapping out a diatribe of nonsense, or put your money where your keyboard is.
You are not surprised, because the people arguing for it, are actually people alive and well who have use MMS and have drink it. I might have been desperate, however I am not dead. I am disease free and very healthy.
@nz000roger777 This interview was not about any other drugs, it was about MMS. MMS is dangerous. It's toxic and has absolutely no known beneficial effects whatsoever. That is the only thing which is relevant in comments about this interview.
@GuyChapmancentral I have plenty of evidence it works, but according to you im a liar and all the people it has helped are lying, you think that sounds reasonable or logical?
@peri525 "Health Canada advises that oral consumption of sodium chlorite may cause health problems such as abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhoea or more serious problems such as, poisoning, kidney failure and harm to red blood cells that reduces the ability of the blood to carry oxygen"
so why they sell it freely in capsules to disinfect the water that is drunk in camping, I buy it in a very sophisticated store for camping here in Canada.
@@santabala6314 they don’t. You have to mix two products, only one of which is bleach. The bleach cult also use it at much stronger concentration than is used in water purification. Oh, and it doesn’t do what they claim (obviously).
@GuyChapmancentral You must be mixing me up with someone else, i never said i would get you clinical trial evidence and i dont know what the support group reference is about. You did infer that mms had killed someone and was wondering if you had any evidence?
@GuyChapmancentral Iv never heard of anyone vomiting blood from it and reckon you have added it for dramatic effect, the rest only happen when you dont follow the directions. You keep saying Jim says that happens when its working, no he doesn't he says you have taken too much.
@GuyChapmancentral Another Aunt of mine died over the weekend. She had contracted cancer and the chemicals given to her aided in a speedy acceleration of the disease and finished her off. She was not the first and I doubt will be the last. I think people should be free to choose how they look after themselves, but the all too powerful vested interests don't want that, If people were not sick, the pharmacide manufacturers would run out of business.
@sweetclaire06 Chlorine dioxide is much more of a problem than you indicate, the professional swimmers are at the sharp end of a whole collection of conditions that this substance inflicts.
@Simunye1969 More Monika nonsense. Where have I used the word "insignificant"? If someone disagrees with me, they need to explain why. I have explained why I disagree with Humiston elsewhere, but I will explain again. Firstly, Humiston is a "family doctor" from the USA but works in a Mexican clinic in areas where he is not qualified. He claims that cells with a pH below 7 are sick. As the normal intracellular pH is 6.8, then all our cells must be sick! That's just for starters!
@peri525 - If you actually bother reading the posts I think you will find that I have answered @pondman27 's questions in a public forum. Please tell me exactly where I have avoided any of the questions posed to me? OTOH please tell me where the evidence I have repeatedly asked for has been provided. Answer - it hasn't.
@nz000roger777 "So, the amount is debateable depending on the source of information. It doesn't change the principle that products that can kill in large doses, can have benefits in smaller doses." Hmm you say 2 teaspoons I say 1/2 a pound. That's quite a debate.
@Simunye1969 It would be a shame if your intestines swelled shut from a C. difficile infection after you wipe out all it's natural competitors in your digestive tract with bleach. Does the vendor of your MMS provide monitoring to go with your doses?
@pondman27 Yes you have, but you can always remedy the problem by citing the reliable peer-reviewed evidence for MMS. Having checked quite carefully, I am pretty sure that the sources supporting MMS are as follows: 1. Jim Humble 2. Jim Humble's acolytes 3. Er... 4. That's it. But you could cite the papers in the medical literature and save yourself a lot of argument. That's all I'm asking for.
You say that, but there are a lot of reports on the support group forums. Since there is absolutely no credible evidence of any medicinal effect to offset the side-effects, the only rational conclusion is that drinking bleach is a stupid thing to do.
@GuyChapmancentral ...or maybe there are just so few of them, that would be a logical conclusion, but you know that. As for your peer review mantra, you need to look into the concept of vested interested.
@peri525 Many, many, many people have been made quite ill from it.I believe Silvia Fink died from it.I know Humble's followers will dispute this.But the autopsy report was made public and the logical findings point to the cause as being MMS.cont.
@nz000roger777 Yep... chemotherapy, its just killed another family member of mine. The saddest thing is that as a professional Nurse, she put all her faith in corporate medicine & now close to death
@GuyChapmancentral You say it "has absolutely no known beneficial effects whatsoever". So you obviously disagree with the wikipedia posting that "chlorine dioxide can also be used in an oral rinse to treat oral disease and malodor". Hmmm TREAT ... DISEASE.
@nz000roger777 The FDA has an enormous task. The FDA is responsible for: 1) Protecting the public health by assuring that foods are safe, wholesome, sanitary and properly labeled. 2) The safety and efficacy of human and veterinary drugs,vaccines and other biological products like blood and plasma. 3) That all medical devices, from blood pressure cuffs to CAT scanners intended for are safe and effective for human use. 4) Protecting the public from electronic product radiation, cont.
@GuyChapmancentral I am sitting here right now, consoling a young woman that has just lost another dear relative to the toxic cocktails given to those diagnosed with cancer. Dangerous men and women are indeed peddling known poisons in the name of medical science and killing many. One of my brothers in law who is also now deceased, was in reality chemically tortured to death, with at one point, his testicles swollen to the size of oranges and episodes of wild delirium in anguish and pain.
@Simunye1969 As for using abusive language, get real. You just cannot take legitimate criticism. The good thing here is that you cannot block anyone, especially those who question your false beliefs. Any comments I repeat are made because you keep refusing to answer my questions.
@GuyChapmancentral I hope you never get sick enough to be subjected to your peer reviewed drugs. Im not here to prove its efficacy just to say its worked for me and people close to me.
@ExplodingCabbage I take that one as a compliment there. As for the comments on here attacking me for being 'thick' and a 'conspiracy theorist' I suggest you wake up and the smell the coffee like what Gandhi would say 'First they laugh at you.second they attack you and then you will win' enough said.
Because it’s used in much lower concentrations, and it’s not being sold as a magic miracle cure all? It’s entirely possible for something to have a valid use at one concentration, while being dangerous at higher concentrations, especially when false and fraudulent claims about it are made.
@pondman27 1.Doctors and healthcare providers are among the most dedicated people on the planet. 2.Pharmaceutical companies are among the most heavily regulated of all industries. 3.Most doctors DON'T belong to the AMA. 4.It would be bad business practice to provide products that are dangerous or ineffective. 5.Drug companies carry a tremendous liability if people are harmed by their products. cont.
@Simunye1969 Why would the poor take MMS at tens to hundreds of times the price of what the same chemicals would cost bi the liter or gallon at a chemist or hardware store? Cost is not a valid argument in this case.
@pondman27 Your connection to reality becomes ever more tenuous. The scientific method is perfectly simple and open to everyone, Humble included: develop a thesis, develop a repeatable test, publish, engage with those who repeat the test. Humble's method is: invent a "miracle cure", write a book, spam and shill. See how that's different?
@peri525 "''From almost the moment she drank the mixture of MMS with lime juice that she'd brewed up according to the instructions … she began to be nauseated, and soon was vomiting and on the toilet having diarrhoea. ''But she thought, because the literature that came with the MMS kit emphasised that these were normal symptoms" Sounds like the literature with the product contradicts you. The person named above died. The autopsy finding is poisoning consistent with MMS.
@Simunye1969 By your reasoning we should then extrapolate that fairies and leprechauns are real because individuals have claimed to have seen them. There is no *collaborative evidence* for your claim, any more than if you were posting that extraterrestrials cured your asthma via anal probe. The physics/chemistry of the concoction discussed does not react with human physiology in a way that provides the targeted benefits claimed.
@pondman27 That would be pointless. All I'd have is a piece of paper attesting to an anecdote. The plural of anecdote is not evidence. The evidence is found in places like the FDA website where, in case you had forgotten, it describes MMS as a dangerous scam.
@sweetclaire06 Do you think so.... Is it not true to say that a good business practice is to optimise profit by lengthening the time to morbidity. A great deal of money is paid for each drug and procedure is it not. If one unforseen intervention leads to a condition requiring chronic chemical dosing and each dose carries margin, then once the human resource has served its corporate productive life span, once a useless eater, well finish the funds extractable and extinguish the life and probate
@pondman27 I really also cannot be clearer. This is a publicly-accessible forum. We have been holding a debate regarding the benefit or harm that might ensue from the ingestion of MMS, a 28% solution of sodium chlorite - a chemical with clearly-documented toxic effects and no known therapeutic benefits from any properly-conducted study. Firstly provide some evidence - real, verifiable and credible. In the meantime, why not look at the QualiaSoup video on open-mindedness.
@SeeingUFOsCA The drug industry does not have a monopoly on greedy rats. I have done plenty of research, and heard plenty of testimony from people who have had very bad reactions to Humble's bleach.
@GuyChapmancentral Erm, its not just Jim Humble friend. There are many people that have received benefit. In contrast just about every patient taking prescribed medicines from a doctor, will be told to expect adverse effects. Time to level the playing field. If you are really so troubled by one man's discovery and his increasing popularity, why I ask, do you think the state media picked up on this story. Who is sponsoring them do you think (we already know).
‘Thousands and thousand of people are buying this product’? Since you have the data on this product can you publish the data on how many people have died or become seriously ill using it? That would have been a much more powerful argument. Seriously, you’re supposed to be a professional. Show the data.
Problems with medicine validate quackery exactly the way car crashes validate travel by magic carpet. MMS has been successfully used by precisely nobody, as far as the independently verifiable reliable evidence goes. Of course, understanding that statement does require an appreciation of what constitutes reliable evidence, and I am completely confident that this will be too much of a stretch for you.
@Simunye1969 Where are these "millions" of MMS users? Only in your imagination as far as I can see. And yes, he does claim to have "invented" MMS on page 45, page 105, and page 106 of the 4th edition of his book . To quote from page 106, 3rd line "I, as the inventor, made sure we gave the doses...."
@nz000roger777 Something else most aren't aware of.That is, that there is a rare condition that occurs in a small but unlucky portion of the population.It's called methemoglobinemia.It can be congenital or chemically induced from exposure to oxidizing substances such as chlorine dioxide.This is what most likely was the cause in Silvia Fink's death.
@TheBigRMeister Interesting. The Reece Morgan featured here I the very same young man that began a blog against MMS. The truth was exposed within the thread. His father was the one behind the whole thing. To deny that the pharmacide companies are not profitting from illness and disease. MMS is perfectly safe to use in the correct way. INfact there are many other alternative therapies which are entirely benign as well as efficaceous.
Ah, so I need to explain the analogy for the hard of thinking. Cars work, but there is a risk. Focusing on the risk in order to obscure the evident utility would be a great way to persuade people that a magic carpet is safer. But the magic carpet, like MMS, has zero proven utility, so the risks of cars are entirely irrelevant because the magic carpet is not an alternative any more than MMS is a useful alternative to medicine.
@drpaulmorgan All the evidence you seek is before you and if you care to enter into a public debate on this issue, I am highly confident that we will both learn. Credibility comes from the results experienced by people, not the vomit spewing from the likes of the GMC (who I here might well be up for being trashed).
@nz000roger777Here's the problem with these kind of testimonials.You state that the family FINALLY talked her into surgery,This means a dr. must have seen her.And in which case would have FIRST biopsied to determine what kind of radical operation was needed.So you and her would have had to have known what kind of lesion it was. But on the other hand you're telling me YOU could tell by LOOKING at it. No patient is told they need half their face peeled off without knowing cont.
@GuyChapmancentral I do hope that you, as a strong advocate of allopathic treatments have taken ALL the jabs yourself and ensured that ALL your family members have too. Care to confirm that this is so?
@Simunye1969 You know that he was found guilty in a court in Balaka in Malawi back in February this year? You should do - I posted the link on Facebook. Reported in "The Maravi Post" and "The Sunday Times" for Malawi on February 28th, 2010. I quote from The Maravi Post:- "The court found the two quacks, Humble and Bowa, guilty of dispensing medicines without a licence; dispensing medicines at unregistered premises; and that Kaliati, the dispenser, was not qualified" Guilty as charged.
@pondman27 Again, the amount of chlorine dioxide one ingests from treated water is miniscule compared to the levels Humble is telling people to drink. Actually chronic exposure to chlorine dioxide is a problem for professional swimmers.It can cause respiratory difficulties,skin problems, and wears away the dentin of the teeth. Google:professional swimmers and chlorine dioxide.Plenty of studies that demonstrate the problems with chronic exposure.
@drpaulmorgan No Paul, this is not a debate, it is a highly constrained and dead form of conversation. AS stated previously Paul, the evidence is to be found in those that have used MMS. It is unlikely to appear within the pharma sponsored scientific and medical journals is it. After all it would mean the end of multi billion dollar chemical production lines that kill with kindness. You will meet and listen to many people should you accept the offer and come onto live debate. ... still waiting
@nz000roger777 No, the problem is that the sole source for all claims re MMS is Jim Humble. There is no credible independent evidence whatsoever. Not one single published trial in the literature, and there never will be one because there is no mechanism by which it can work and it is self-evidently as dangerous thing to do.
@sweetclaire06 Don't know why so many air heads keep quoting Sylvia Fink as if MMS killed her or something. The autopsy NEVER concluded any such thing. She may have been drinking MMS at the time she died; my Grandfather was drinking a cup of tea when he died, but that doesn't mean the cup of tea killed him. I know people who started on MMS too late and died while on the MMS, but the family know the MMS may haved helped if they didn't leave the cancer so long before trying MMS.
@GuyChapmancentral Yet again i ask the question where are the people harmed by MMS, why have they not joined your cause? (third time asking)
@sweetclaire06 Actually you did only mention Chlorine Dioxide; "Actually chronic exposure to chlorine dioxide is a problem for professional swimmers".
Although I take Chlorine Dioxide daily, I have never suffered all the problems that YOU claim. I put more confidence in MY results rather than YOUR claims.
bottom line MMS is curing people like it or not. For all you people that are on a selfless mission to stop this, id love to know why?
also, this video isn't in or from the US, so why would he need a visa?
@pondman27 "With all that media coverage and a complete absence of any evidence that MMS is either harmful or ineffective when used as directed,"
Sylvia Fink
@TheSimpleyes"I had a dentist innitiate the very same procedure without realising what he was up to"
Let me ask you a question.Does "Pondman's" answer to you sound at all believable? I don't know how dentists practice in the UK but in the US it's inconceivable to me that a dentist would unknowingly to the patient plow ahead a begin to preform a root canal without first discussing the procedure before hand.Does this sound at all plausible?
@aluka1603 so if MMS works how come there are no clinical trials showing it to work?
There is now and Trump passed a law stating that if you want to use it, you can have your doctor shoot a syringe on it straight into the cancer tumor to dissolve it from inside out. There is a website that picked it up, a list of doctors. They are now posting testimony after testimony from person to person with test results. I told my doctor I won't take the pharm pills she gives me but I just need the blood work done by her for my insurance to pay for it. She said the proof is in the test. She redid my blood work after 6 weeks and called me and told me to keep doing whatever I am doing because my Thyroid levels were at a 5 and now they are below 4. They inflammation in my blood work was at 10 and now that is down too. I strained my hip somehow and it swelled in the joint and my thigh bone was pushed out due to swelling. The ER doctor could not help me and told me I would eventually need a hip replacement. I rubbed strong concentrated MMS on my thigh to clean the area and disinfect and have it on the surface to pull through the skin. I rubbed DMSO with it so it could cross the blood barrier. The very next day I was jumping up into the truck.
there was not test to back it up or research because Bill Gates point blank told him in a letter that he placed in his book, that he believed the population was too high now and he would not help him save lives. They black balled him and would not let no one help fund him to do the research and surveys. There is footage of the RED CROSS doing it in Africa and it cured all malaria patients in 24 hours. They said it never happened. He has the videos on his page. I watched them when he was alive.
@sweetclaire06 Dr Young does not promote MMS, am i incorrect?
@pondman27 dave i have been researching information concerning root canal procedures i wonder are they creating a problem or resolving one.
@nz000roger777 Can you in all honesty tell me what the "long term effects" might be?
We know it's a powerful oxidizer.That means it will oxidize the first thing it comes in contact with, the lining of your intestinal tract.
We know this lining is very important for the role it plays in one's natural immunity.People who have taken MMS over time are beginning to come forward with damaged immune systems.Chronic infections.
You advise people to drink MMS.Will YOU take responsibility for harming?
@nz000roger777 The use of caps for selected words is for emphasis . Not meant to be 'raising' my voice
@SiriosIX
How many of them came down with another illness/died?
Rhys, I am part of a large group of parents and individuals with autism from all over the world that have also been trying to get the word out about this poison, its unbelievable how widespread its use is, especially with the publication of Kelly Rivera's book on the subject. The website is bancdmms.com twitter handle is @banmmsscum. We have several blogs written, memes to share etc. Please visit the site and leave a comment so we can work together on this!
***** No, there isn't. There isn't evidence that MMS treats *anything*.
***** You're so, so completely wrong. The Red Cross themselves have publicly stated they've never been involved in any trials on MMS: www.ifrc.org/en/news-and-media/opinions-and-positions/opinion-pieces/2013/ifrc-strongly-dissociates-from-the-claim-of-a-miracle-solution-to-defeat-malaria/
It would be HUGELY unethical for the Red Cross to become involved in the testing of an unproven drug, as you and the video states. It just didn't happen.
I've been using MMS personally for 10 years...
It's worked wonders for me, my family and friends.... more and more ppl are jumping on the band wagon.
Our experience has shown immediate results for Excema, yeast infections, bladder infections, urinary tract infections, severe burn infections, cancer, rashes etc....
This stuff is the real deal - now as soon as i get a symptom, I take a dose (as per the procedures) - I can feel it working in a couple of hours.... AMAZING.
Doctors have now picked it up in 115 countries and curing children of Autism. I used it on my skin cancer and I woke the next day and it was gone. I got out of a hip replacement where the doctors said I would need, and I rubbed this on my hip with some DMSO and the next day I was jumping up in my husband's truck. A chiropractic doctor witnessed this because she disagreed with the doctors, but who are they? The doctors say they aren't real doctors. My dermatologist doctor asked me what I used, she was amazed but I am sure she thought, this can't get out because I will be without a job. My mom's sciatic nerve in her hip instantly stopped hurting when she rubbed this on her hip. My grandson has not been sick since I found it and started using it. If it is poison, then you better stop drinking your tap water. They use this same thing in your water you drink and give to your children, This just uses citric acid (vit c) to help it with your immune system in healing than harsher acid activators. I watch these actors and can not help but to laugh at their lies. I think they should be sued for saying it is bleach. That is a false slander lie. I am pretty sure they can say it now though in news because in their contract they are listed as entertainment now and not news.
got a link? cause i could find none?
What do you think is an accurate figure of MMS users?
@madmax0
What about the lady who appeared on the show - made her very ill, didn't it? Open your eyes.
@peri525 erm did you not watch the video?
@sstylianou um... unless I'm missing something, the FDA is an American organization. This is a British TV show about the activities of a Welsh health activist. Where does the FDA fit in?
@nz000roger777 I don't believe I said the problems were only with chlorine dioxide.Other chemicals used for disinfecting pools are also a problem.In fact the problems weren't quite as much a problem with chlorine dioxide because lower concentrations are needed than with other chems.Still the problems are the same with all of the disinfectants. They are,, asthma and respiratory problems, exzema from skin contact,loss of dentin.Lenntech disinfectants chlorine dioxide.
@sweetclaire06 Not only that, the trials on chlorine dioxide carried out by the National Institute of Health in Washington, wouldn't have concluded it was safe if it causes all the problems you state. I sprayed chlorine dioxide directly on my skin cancer and it was gone within a week; don't see how that could be classed as "skin problems".
@peri525 "FDA has received several reports of consumers who got sick from drinking the MMS and citrus juice mixture. The reports say consumers suffered from nausea, severe vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure caused by dehydration."
@sweetclaire06 You need to tell your water company and your food providers to stop this outrage! But dont worry about the fluride, thats the good stuff
I think it's very appropriate that the font on the bottle is comic sans...
Great job Rhys!
@nz000roger777 Sorry I got confused, I honestly thought YOU diagnosed your sister in laws cancer too. It gets confusing sometimes when these comments get chopped up.So what KIND of cancer are you claiming MMS cured in your sister in law?
@GuyChapmancentral Who has died?
@GuyChapmancentral "Right, so you admit there is no credible evidence for MMS". On the contrary, I have stated nothing of the kind. Now when would you like to enter into the live discussion. The venue should serve your cause well since I know that the audience reaches approximately 140 countries with a regular attendance of about a thousand and live interaction with over a hundred people engaging in asking questions.
Over to you
@pondman27 I do not take part in unmoderated discussions, especially with cranks. Moderated discussions, yes. I live in the UK, I have taken part in conferences in the US and around Europe, but panel discussions always moderated.
why does it concern you so much?
@nz000roger777 So what you're saying is that by putting it in the stomach it is able to find its way to anything that's wrong in the rest of the body and cure it without damaging the body itself?? Use your brain ...
@GuyChapmancentral nz000roger777 doesn't understand that an 'oral rinse' is considered a TOPICAL medication and not an ORAL medication.
@drpaulmorgan IN A COURT OF LAW. the MOST POWERFUL evidence, is that given under OATH as first hand!!! Yet you poor souls in your "CALLOUS DISREGARD", prefer instead to believe the rhetoric of the pharmaceutical corporations and their sponsored publications.
If by my own wisdom and gnosis, I cure myself and receive evidence from others confirming the same findings, I am inclined to agree with them.
Since neither YOU nor Dr Mark POrter are prepared to enter the debate, you have no standing.
And still GuyChapmancentral nore any other critic can answer the question as to why people that have been harmed by MMS are not up in arms and posting here?
@nz000roger777Because the ONLY abnormal finding at autopsy was an astronomically high 45% level of methemoglobin in her blood.Methemoglobin basically results in the inability of blood to carry oxygen within the body causing cyanosis (lack of oxygen to the system). The report states that if the 45% saturation reading was accurate and existed at time of death, this is consistent with exposure to chlorate and chlorite.It couldn't be more clear.She died from O2 starvation. from MMS
@ButterBridgeRec Sorry whats your point?
theres a channel called "mms testimonials" on here, check it out.
@peri525 I'm not familiar with that expression "healty as trouts"
Did you mean healthy as ?
Yes I'm quite healthy thank you. :-)
@Simunye1969
And if the irritation provided by these untested caustic chemicals lead to eventual stomach or esophageal cancers, will you still extol the virtues of the treatment?
Diseases tend to occur because of specific causes. When someone offers you a "cure all" for illnesses that share no connection, skepticism and suspicion should be your first reaction.
If you insist on taking MMS be vigilant in following up with your GP or you may suffer long term harm.
@GuyChapmancentral Now let us compare the so called scientific literature with what the alternative popular literature reveals. Take for example the proclamations of the Royal Society in terms of its roll in mandating the deployment of organophosphates that led to BSE!
The challenge remains and your court. Remain at that keyboard tapping out a diatribe of nonsense, or put your money where your keyboard is.
You are not surprised, because the people arguing for it, are actually people alive and well who have use MMS and have drink it. I might have been desperate, however I am not dead. I am disease free and very healthy.
@nz000roger777 This interview was not about any other drugs, it was about MMS. MMS is dangerous. It's toxic and has absolutely no known beneficial effects whatsoever. That is the only thing which is relevant in comments about this interview.
@Simunye1969
Oops switch pulmonary for respiratory. (sorry doctors)
@GuyChapmancentral I have plenty of evidence it works, but according to you im a liar and all the people it has helped are lying, you think that sounds reasonable or logical?
@peri525 "Health Canada advises that oral consumption of sodium chlorite may cause health problems such as abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhoea or more serious problems such as, poisoning, kidney failure and harm to red blood cells that reduces the ability of the blood to carry oxygen"
so why they sell it freely in capsules to disinfect the water that is drunk in camping, I buy it in a very sophisticated store for camping here in Canada.
@@santabala6314 they don’t. You have to mix two products, only one of which is bleach. The bleach cult also use it at much stronger concentration than is used in water purification. Oh, and it doesn’t do what they claim (obviously).
@GuyChapmancentral You must be mixing me up with someone else, i never said i would get you clinical trial evidence and i dont know what the support group reference is about.
You did infer that mms had killed someone and was wondering if you had any evidence?
@GuyChapmancentral Iv never heard of anyone vomiting blood from it and reckon you have added it for dramatic effect, the rest only happen when you dont follow the directions. You keep saying Jim says that happens when its working, no he doesn't he says you have taken too much.
@GuyChapmancentral Another Aunt of mine died over the weekend. She had contracted cancer and the chemicals given to her aided in a speedy acceleration of the disease and finished her off. She was not the first and I doubt will be the last.
I think people should be free to choose how they look after themselves, but the all too powerful vested interests don't want that, If people were not sick, the pharmacide manufacturers would run out of business.
@sweetclaire06 Chlorine dioxide is much more of a problem than you indicate, the professional swimmers are at the sharp end of a whole collection of conditions that this substance inflicts.
@Simunye1969
More Monika nonsense. Where have I used the word "insignificant"? If someone disagrees with me, they need to explain why. I have explained why I disagree with Humiston elsewhere, but I will explain again. Firstly, Humiston is a "family doctor" from the USA but works in a Mexican clinic in areas where he is not qualified. He claims that cells with a pH below 7 are sick. As the normal intracellular pH is 6.8, then all our cells must be sick!
That's just for starters!
@peri525 - If you actually bother reading the posts I think you will find that I have answered @pondman27 's questions in a public forum. Please tell me exactly where I have avoided any of the questions posed to me? OTOH please tell me where the evidence I have repeatedly asked for has been provided. Answer - it hasn't.
@nz000roger777 "So, the amount is debateable depending on the source of information. It doesn't change the principle that products that can kill in large doses, can have benefits in smaller doses."
Hmm you say 2 teaspoons I say 1/2 a pound. That's quite a debate.
Prove I don't have a unicorn in my garden.
@Simunye1969
It would be a shame if your intestines swelled shut from a C. difficile infection after you wipe out all it's natural competitors in your digestive tract with bleach. Does the vendor of your MMS provide monitoring to go with your doses?
@GuyChapmancentral So where are the thousands of duped and conned people sucked in by the humble religion? they dont seem to be posting here.
@pondman27 Yes you have, but you can always remedy the problem by citing the reliable peer-reviewed evidence for MMS. Having checked quite carefully, I am pretty sure that the sources supporting MMS are as follows:
1. Jim Humble
2. Jim Humble's acolytes
3. Er...
4. That's it.
But you could cite the papers in the medical literature and save yourself a lot of argument. That's all I'm asking for.
You say that, but there are a lot of reports on the support group forums. Since there is absolutely no credible evidence of any medicinal effect to offset the side-effects, the only rational conclusion is that drinking bleach is a stupid thing to do.
@GuyChapmancentral ...or maybe there are just so few of them, that would be a logical conclusion, but you know that. As for your peer review mantra, you need to look into the concept of vested interested.
@peri525 Many, many, many people have been made quite ill from it.I believe Silvia Fink died from it.I know Humble's followers will dispute this.But the autopsy report was made public and the logical findings point to the cause as being MMS.cont.
@nz000roger777 Yep... chemotherapy, its just killed another family member of mine. The saddest thing is that as a professional Nurse, she put all her faith in corporate medicine & now close to death
@GuyChapmancentral No, there is no end of independent evidence supprorting the efficay of MMS. When you say credible, what do you mean?
@GuyChapmancentral You say it "has absolutely no known beneficial effects whatsoever". So you obviously disagree with the wikipedia posting that "chlorine dioxide can also be used in an oral rinse to treat oral disease and malodor". Hmmm TREAT ... DISEASE.
@nz000roger777 The FDA has an enormous task.
The FDA is responsible for:
1) Protecting the public health by assuring that foods are safe, wholesome, sanitary and properly labeled.
2) The safety and efficacy of human and veterinary drugs,vaccines and other biological products like blood and plasma.
3) That all medical devices, from blood pressure cuffs to CAT scanners intended for are safe and effective for human use.
4) Protecting the public from electronic product radiation, cont.
@GuyChapmancentral Sorry you misunderstood my post i was asking for proof MMS ever killed anyone? And also where all the people harmed by it were?
@GuyChapmancentral I am sitting here right now, consoling a young woman that has just lost another dear relative to the toxic cocktails given to those diagnosed with cancer. Dangerous men and women are indeed peddling known poisons in the name of medical science and killing many. One of my brothers in law who is also now deceased, was in reality chemically tortured to death, with at one point, his testicles swollen to the size of oranges and episodes of wild delirium in anguish and pain.
@GuyChapmancentral Can you prove that it killed her?
@Simunye1969
As for using abusive language, get real. You just cannot take legitimate criticism.
The good thing here is that you cannot block anyone, especially those who question your false beliefs. Any comments I repeat are made because you keep refusing to answer my questions.
@TheBigRMeister but bbc have failed to provide evidence that it harmed someone
@GuyChapmancentral I hope you never get sick enough to be subjected to your peer reviewed drugs. Im not here to prove its efficacy just to say its worked for me and people close to me.
@ExplodingCabbage I take that one as a compliment there.
As for the comments on here attacking me for being 'thick' and a 'conspiracy theorist' I suggest you wake up and the smell the coffee like what Gandhi would say 'First they laugh at you.second they attack you and then you will win' enough said.
then why do they sell the same product to disinfect water in camping stores, then why do doctors in dental surgery use it.🤷♀️
Because it’s used in much lower concentrations, and it’s not being sold as a magic miracle cure all?
It’s entirely possible for something to have a valid use at one concentration, while being dangerous at higher concentrations, especially when false and fraudulent claims about it are made.
@pondman27
1.Doctors and healthcare providers are among the most dedicated people on the planet.
2.Pharmaceutical companies are among the most heavily regulated of all industries.
3.Most doctors DON'T belong to the AMA.
4.It would be bad business practice to provide products that are dangerous or ineffective.
5.Drug companies carry a tremendous liability if people are harmed by their products.
cont.
@Simunye1969
Why would the poor take MMS at tens to hundreds of times the price of what the same chemicals would cost bi the liter or gallon at a chemist or hardware store?
Cost is not a valid argument in this case.
@pondman27 Your connection to reality becomes ever more tenuous. The scientific method is perfectly simple and open to everyone, Humble included: develop a thesis, develop a repeatable test, publish, engage with those who repeat the test.
Humble's method is: invent a "miracle cure", write a book, spam and shill. See how that's different?
@peri525 "''From almost the moment she drank the mixture of MMS with lime juice that she'd brewed up according to the instructions … she began to be nauseated, and soon was vomiting and on the toilet having diarrhoea.
''But she thought, because the literature that came with the MMS kit emphasised that these were normal symptoms"
Sounds like the literature with the product contradicts you. The person named above died. The autopsy finding is poisoning consistent with MMS.
BS
@@N8Dogg1002 drinking bleach gives you the symptoms of bleach ingestion. Not sure why you'd find that hard to accept.
@sweetclaire06 Thats ok, you obviously are healty as trouts
@Simunye1969
By your reasoning we should then extrapolate that fairies and leprechauns are real because individuals have claimed to have seen them.
There is no *collaborative evidence* for your claim, any more than if you were posting that extraterrestrials cured your asthma via anal probe. The physics/chemistry of the concoction discussed does not react with human physiology in a way that provides the targeted benefits claimed.
or why no victims are posting here?
@pondman27 That would be pointless. All I'd have is a piece of paper attesting to an anecdote. The plural of anecdote is not evidence. The evidence is found in places like the FDA website where, in case you had forgotten, it describes MMS as a dangerous scam.
@sstylianou "I don't need proof" is remarkably similar to many of the things Jim Humble has said about MMS
@sweetclaire06 Do you think so.... Is it not true to say that a good business practice is to optimise profit by lengthening the time to morbidity. A great deal of money is paid for each drug and procedure is it not. If one unforseen intervention leads to a condition requiring chronic chemical dosing and each dose carries margin, then once the human resource has served its corporate productive life span, once a useless eater, well finish the funds extractable and extinguish the life and probate
@pondman27 I really also cannot be clearer. This is a publicly-accessible forum. We have been holding a debate regarding the benefit or harm that might ensue from the ingestion of MMS, a 28% solution of sodium chlorite - a chemical with clearly-documented toxic effects and no known therapeutic benefits from any properly-conducted study. Firstly provide some evidence - real, verifiable and credible. In the meantime, why not look at the QualiaSoup video on open-mindedness.
@SeeingUFOsCA
The drug industry does not have a monopoly on greedy rats. I have done plenty of research, and heard plenty of testimony from people who have had very bad reactions to Humble's bleach.
@GuyChapmancentral Erm, its not just Jim Humble friend. There are many people that have received benefit. In contrast just about every patient taking prescribed medicines from a doctor, will be told to expect adverse effects.
Time to level the playing field. If you are really so troubled by one man's discovery and his increasing popularity, why I ask, do you think the state media picked up on this story. Who is sponsoring them do you think (we already know).
‘Thousands and thousand of people are buying this product’? Since you have the data on this product can you publish the data on how many people have died or become seriously ill using it? That would have been a much more powerful argument. Seriously, you’re supposed to be a professional. Show the data.
Problems with medicine validate quackery exactly the way car crashes validate travel by magic carpet.
MMS has been successfully used by precisely nobody, as far as the independently verifiable reliable evidence goes. Of course, understanding that statement does require an appreciation of what constitutes reliable evidence, and I am completely confident that this will be too much of a stretch for you.
@Simunye1969
Where are these "millions" of MMS users? Only in your imagination as far as I can see.
And yes, he does claim to have "invented" MMS on page 45, page 105, and page 106 of the 4th edition of his book . To quote from page 106, 3rd line "I, as the inventor, made sure we gave the doses...."
@nz000roger777 Something else most aren't aware of.That is, that there is a rare condition that occurs in a small but unlucky portion of the population.It's called methemoglobinemia.It can be congenital or chemically induced from exposure to oxidizing substances such as chlorine dioxide.This is what most likely was the cause in Silvia Fink's death.
@TheBigRMeister
Interesting. The Reece Morgan featured here I the very same young man that began a blog against MMS. The truth was exposed within the thread. His father was the one behind the whole thing.
To deny that the pharmacide companies are not profitting from illness and disease.
MMS is perfectly safe to use in the correct way. INfact there are many other alternative therapies which are entirely benign as well as efficaceous.
Ah, so I need to explain the analogy for the hard of thinking. Cars work, but there is a risk. Focusing on the risk in order to obscure the evident utility would be a great way to persuade people that a magic carpet is safer. But the magic carpet, like MMS, has zero proven utility, so the risks of cars are entirely irrelevant because the magic carpet is not an alternative any more than MMS is a useful alternative to medicine.
@drpaulmorgan All the evidence you seek is before you and if you care to enter into a public debate on this issue, I am highly confident that we will both learn. Credibility comes from the results experienced by people, not the vomit spewing from the likes of the GMC (who I here might well be up for being trashed).
@pondman27 Taking the waters? You're forgetting eye of neut, and pig saliva.
@nz000roger777Here's the problem with these kind of testimonials.You state that the family FINALLY talked her into surgery,This means a dr. must have seen her.And in which case would have FIRST biopsied to determine what kind of radical operation was needed.So you and her would have had to have known what kind of lesion it was.
But on the other hand you're telling me YOU could tell by LOOKING at it. No patient is told they need half their face peeled off without knowing cont.
@GuyChapmancentral I do hope that you, as a strong advocate of allopathic treatments have taken ALL the jabs yourself and ensured that ALL your family members have too. Care to confirm that this is so?
Oooh dear. Conspiracy nutters are here.
Great job Rhys!
@Simunye1969
You know that he was found guilty in a court in Balaka in Malawi back in February this year? You should do - I posted the link on Facebook. Reported in "The Maravi Post" and "The Sunday Times" for Malawi on February 28th, 2010.
I quote from The Maravi Post:-
"The court found the two quacks, Humble and Bowa, guilty of dispensing medicines without a licence; dispensing medicines at unregistered premises; and that Kaliati, the dispenser, was not qualified"
Guilty as charged.
@pondman27 Again, the amount of chlorine dioxide one ingests from treated water is miniscule compared to the levels Humble is telling people to drink.
Actually chronic exposure to chlorine dioxide is a problem for professional swimmers.It can cause respiratory difficulties,skin problems, and wears away the dentin of the teeth. Google:professional swimmers and chlorine dioxide.Plenty of studies that demonstrate the problems with chronic exposure.
@drpaulmorgan No Paul, this is not a debate, it is a highly constrained and dead form of conversation. AS stated previously Paul, the evidence is to be found in those that have used MMS. It is unlikely to appear within the pharma sponsored scientific and medical journals is it. After all it would mean the end of multi billion dollar chemical production lines that kill with kindness.
You will meet and listen to many people should you accept the offer and come onto live debate.
... still waiting
@nz000roger777 No, the problem is that the sole source for all claims re MMS is Jim Humble. There is no credible independent evidence whatsoever. Not one single published trial in the literature, and there never will be one because there is no mechanism by which it can work and it is self-evidently as dangerous thing to do.
basing opinions on statistics what others are telling you and and weighing up through law of probability simply becomes a theory. Always debatable