343 Industries Replaced The Master Chief.

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  • @MintBlitz
    @MintBlitz  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +187

    This week voice actor Steve Downes released a video outlining how both he and Jen Taylor were replaced during development of Halo 4.
    If you'd like to watch his original video on it, I've linked it down below.
    th-cam.com/users/shortsNfuEJMOAzNE
    I took this video a step further and outlined why 343 radically shifted Halo as a whole. Hope it was comprehensive.
    Here’s also a video showing the alternate voice actors - Skip to around 18 mins in.
    th-cam.com/video/xoG6a41cbso/w-d-xo.html

    • @calebclark1349
      @calebclark1349 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I feel like the best option for a in-game replacement of the master chief would be either Jerome or maybe Buck. Both are veteran soldiers who are excellent warriors in their own right. What are your thoughts on that? FYI, I’m talking about when Steve can no longer play master chief.

    • @chriskatz2355
      @chriskatz2355 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      We need a yap yap game 😢

    • @DommyG-fx7hq
      @DommyG-fx7hq 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@calebclark1349Jerome is worthy of being the next chief but halo just won’t be halo without Steve Downes aka master chief if you guys know what I mean

    • @moneyseason6470
      @moneyseason6470 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Very random but in all my years playing infinite I’ve yet to see you in game until last night in squad battle lol it was cool 🫡🫡🫡

    • @Harbinger1985
      @Harbinger1985 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I never knew 343 dare to step this change or at least planned. I always said even 343 wasn't that stupid to replace Chief and Cortana voices. Seems they was. XD

  • @-FileNotFound-
    @-FileNotFound- 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +507

    The fact they felt like they could replace Steve is crappy in of itself.

    • @115spt2
      @115spt2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      And Jen Taylor

  • @Bluewolf09
    @Bluewolf09 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1064

    Until Steve Downes himself says he is done, he should NEVER be replaced. He IS the Master Chief.

    • @macktaylor4389
      @macktaylor4389 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

      Totally agree. His voice is so iconic as the character, and IMO, frankly irreplaceable.

    • @rileyphillips-p7o
      @rileyphillips-p7o 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@Bluewolf09 heck yeah

    • @Bluewolf09
      @Bluewolf09 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      @@macktaylor4389 Absolutely agree. I'd rather the Chief retire than have a new VA.

    • @Smathalgoth
      @Smathalgoth 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      His Master Chief voice in Infinite was already getting pretty rough, unless they are already recording his lines well in advance I doubt he has another game performance in him.

    • @Bluewolf09
      @Bluewolf09 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@Smathalgoth All the clips I heard sounded fine.

  • @bocogaming
    @bocogaming 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +929

    "Changing something for the sake of change." That's it right there. And it's called hubris.

    • @xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu
      @xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I mean, I'm sure they could get some no-name VA's for less money than Steve Downes and Jen Taylor too.

    • @lololololololo
      @lololololololo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the Flood and they are now exposed and the Handlers and the CannonFODDER and the SNicker as an excuse for ???ffs?

    • @ROFLgator1
      @ROFLgator1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Why the hell would they do that to begin with? 343 was backed up by a Trillion dollar company.

    • @Slick_Astley
      @Slick_Astley 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@Cole_Zulkowski Take your meds, bro

    • @Cole_Zulkowski
      @Cole_Zulkowski 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Slick_Astley nope im old but not a grandpa you young imautre idiots running and gunning in every game now a days

  • @WonderMePartyStrip
    @WonderMePartyStrip 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

    "We hired people that hated Halo to make Halo" Frank O'Connor.

  • @bigporkens5439
    @bigporkens5439 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +248

    it just pisses me off to learn all of this over a decade after the fact, I literally laughed when he said Steve Downes had to re audition, that is ridiculous.

  • @RepyZep
    @RepyZep 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +322

    The AUDACITY of 343, thinking that they had any right to replace Steve is baffling.

    • @McBoofus
      @McBoofus 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      They hired people who hate Halo. Don't act so surprised that they pull some crap like this.

    • @davidm5172
      @davidm5172 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      WHAT

  • @ScottThePisces
    @ScottThePisces 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +435

    343 made every stupid decision possible to make Halo not Halo.

    • @addisonpage1
      @addisonpage1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      Almost makes you think, maybe the goal was to destroy halo all along

    • @swagyolo413
      @swagyolo413 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      @@addisonpage1 343 Guilty Spark

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      and there are still fools who will eat up whatever slop new 343 shoves at them

    • @exilestudios9546
      @exilestudios9546 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@addisonpage1 no it wasnt the goal was always to follow trends and make money and they did, 4,5 and infinite have made a metric fuck ton of cash for microsoft but there is a line where bad press can outweigh profits so while 343 was VERY profitable it was also making microsoft look bad hence why it doesn't exist anymore and all the higher ups that were in charge if it no longer even work for microsoft

    • @exilestudios9546
      @exilestudios9546 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Blox117 343 doesnt exist anymore bud

  • @ParagonTheComposer
    @ParagonTheComposer 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +121

    Imagine trying to replace Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime. Doesn't seem right does it?

    • @Ninja_Koopa
      @Ninja_Koopa 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Indeed

    • @Cautiouscone
      @Cautiouscone 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I must agree

    • @Electroid5
      @Electroid5 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I mean that’s gonna be reality soon. Peter said he’s no longer going to be doing the voice for any future series or game and will be working solely on movies. He already skipped out on all those Netflix shows.

    • @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
      @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They tried.

    • @frank_calvert
      @frank_calvert 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      sometimes its done well actually, like tfa's optimus is very different to g1 optimus so having a different va for him makes sense

  • @JonStark117
    @JonStark117 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    *From THE VERY BEGINNING…Upper management has constantly been the problem of this franchise. Complete incompetence. “Let’s change the voices of the two most beloved characters of this franchise we just acquired. I am SO unbelievably thankful that they cleaned house from the old guard.*

  • @jkbmcminer
    @jkbmcminer 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +87

    But don’t worry guys Halo Studios is totally different and definitely won’t make the exact same mistakes they did nearly a decade ago

    • @MarkSpizzle
      @MarkSpizzle 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Well they've already shown that traditional formula works. Hence why Infinite is currently the best feeling in years, it just took a long time.

    • @MinisterofViolations
      @MinisterofViolations 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@MarkSpizzle try that " traditional formula " with a Unreal Engine not named Slip Space Engine, see how that works out...
      bet the next Halo will be a far cry from the quality fans will expect

    • @exilestudios9546
      @exilestudios9546 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@MinisterofViolations fans have literally been making their own traditional halo experience in unreal for years look up the installation 01 project. there is nothing about unreal that makes the classic halo game play not work but you would have to be stupid if you think things like sprint, clamber, ADS, and now the fan favorite grappling hook aren't permanent parts of what halo is but as infinite proved you can have all that and still FEEL like halo and since the people working on the next game are the same people who worked on infinite just with competent leadership in the form of the guy who turned the MCC into something playable there is a lot of hope. i think its good that this "new" studio are gonna start by remaking halo 1 as that is the game with all the core aspects of what makes halos vibe so engaging and if you can get that right then you are off to a hell of a start

    • @SterlingSimmons22
      @SterlingSimmons22 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Ahh yes, all those DEI hires are sure to make a great game 😅

    • @ReconCrusader
      @ReconCrusader 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      lol, lmao

  • @Snakmasterspartan
    @Snakmasterspartan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +197

    I thought this was about to be bad but its a vid about h4 lol.

    • @MintBlitz
      @MintBlitz  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +61

      Well they aren't 343 Industries anymore hah
      But Steve did make a video talking about it this week so here we are.

    • @Samuel_Loegan
      @Samuel_Loegan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Same lel. I'm glad it wasn't actually replacing Chief

    • @115spt2
      @115spt2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is bad, Halo 4 is dog crap. Cringiest story other than halo 5.

    • @Samuel_Loegan
      @Samuel_Loegan 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@115spt2 I don't know man, ppl are actually fond of Halo 4, even 5

    • @vynsyxx
      @vynsyxx 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Samuel_Loegan tf world you live in, no they arent, not of 5 at least, Never of 5

  • @ShallowVA
    @ShallowVA 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    I still have no idea why Microsoft insisted on making more Halo after Bungie was done with it, but then absolutely refused to just make more Halo.
    Why did they keep starting over from scratch? Why did they keep changing things? You'd think a cynical corporate entity like Microsoft would do the safe thing and just crank out an annual Halo 3 clone and print free money forever like CoD and FIFA do. Which would also be bad, but I would at least understand why it happened. How do you spend all that money buying an IP you want to keep selling only to immediately mismanage it and rarely release any games?!

    • @theAsterisk
      @theAsterisk 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      I take it you're unfamiliar with Microsoft's history with acquired IP.
      I don't mean games or fiction, either- they do this with mundane corporate and consumer software and OS/backend IP. It's the modus operandi of Microsoft, and has been for better than forty years.
      Even a business partnership with Microsoft is often the kiss of death for a software platform.
      Hell, they do change for change's sake on their own software- witness Windows 8 and the ribbon interface in Microsoft Office. They can't help themselves, as an institution.

    • @spartanx169x
      @spartanx169x 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Why? Because from about 2011 to around 217 the game journalists were screaming for "Innovation" There were articles every week how games were not innovative enough. the demands for innovation died when COD became absurd with the wall running and other nonsense.

    • @ShallowVA
      @ShallowVA 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@theAsterisk They do that to kill competition. Microsoft wasn't ever in competition with Halo.

  • @eidannishidan3794
    @eidannishidan3794 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +150

    The only spartan worth the legacy is Jerome

    • @nezarecdiscipleofthewitnes3823
      @nezarecdiscipleofthewitnes3823 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Fr that guy is a badass

    • @thedaltoid0266
      @thedaltoid0266 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Chair go brrrrrr

    • @Sahlan_Ahamed
      @Sahlan_Ahamed 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      ​@@nezarecdiscipleofthewitnes3823 Yet, doesn't have a consistent voice actor or personality. While there's certainly a personality and style, it's not enough to be considered a fully fleshed out character like Chief.

    • @aaroneclipse514
      @aaroneclipse514 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@Sahlan_AhamedThat’s exactly why he works for a replacement: Chief had little personality or story in the games, the books gave him lore but not all fans read them.

    • @mikehoncho5135
      @mikehoncho5135 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ⁠@@aaroneclipse514 LITTLE story and personality in the games? That’s wild.

  • @Tim_wortwortwort
    @Tim_wortwortwort 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +116

    The 343 games felt like fanfiction when compared to the bungie games

    • @blain115
      @blain115 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      why are we now acting like their gone now? I've seen so many people act like Halo Studios is a brand new studio, it isn't. Just a name change

    • @ha-kh7ef
      @ha-kh7ef 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      @@blain115 well a lot of management is gone now. But yes you're right. We won't know

    • @JimDavis440
      @JimDavis440 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      ​@@blain115The new director of Halo Studios is named Melissa BOONE, a purple-haired she BOONE who majored in BLACK AlDS (not kidding), is a DEI expert, and has never run a media production much less a multi-hundreds-of-millions video game production. Yes, the staff has changed since Bungie's 2010 Halo Reach.

    • @blain115
      @blain115 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ you’re not understanding what i’m saying. I know basically no one from bungie works at 343 anymore, I’m talking about 343 and Halo Studios being the same developers

    • @jonpapi_2247
      @jonpapi_2247 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​​@@blain115That's just how the game goes. 343 industries name carries a bad rep and now that they made a lot of changes they basically wanna start over. Actually they want us to BELIEVE that they're starting over but I already know what to expect and that is a transgender spartan or AI 😂. Y'all can't get mad at 343/Halo Studios for doing it because they're being told to but it's gonna happen eventually.

  • @Kenji-117
    @Kenji-117 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Funfact: The Halo 3 German VA cast was replaced in Halo 4 and 5 and I personally was SUPER MAD because H3's VA for Chief and Cortana were literally just as good the Original US Cast

  • @tranhuyuc8987
    @tranhuyuc8987 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +128

    Almost had a panic attack until I see it was 343, not Halo studios

    • @rugornix6155
      @rugornix6155 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      YEA, halo studios would never consider doing something like that, not a chance. Its a completely different company compared to 343

    • @KaijuEmperor-xi5qg
      @KaijuEmperor-xi5qg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      @@rugornix6155Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not

    • @Okuu009
      @Okuu009 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      Halo studios is basically the same as 343; I don't understand why all the fans think that halo studios is a totally new company because it's not; the same people who worked in 343 are working in halo studios now; so don't get your hopes up for alot of change

    • @rugornix6155
      @rugornix6155 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@Okuu009 yeup, same people and a few new worst people from what I've seen

    • @MasterChiefCOOLMCC
      @MasterChiefCOOLMCC 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's still 343
      Just a new set of paint to hide the mark of the damage they did.
      But nothing ever will hide it

  • @MechmanZero
    @MechmanZero 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Frank O'Connor stating they were hiring people who hated Halo, and 343's general anti-Bungie views and all things related to the Bungie era, probably is the reason there were so many problems with the 343 games. They wanted to continue the Halo IP, but also change everything that made Halo...Halo. The art style, the game mechanics, and even attempting to get rid of the voice actors, its like the whole environment of 343 was toxic for Halo.

  • @koolerpure
    @koolerpure 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    why is every bad news about halo really bad news? its never a small thing we could over look. replacing the voice actors/actresses in the franchise they single handedly carry on their backs is an insane move that im generally mind blown was even a thing. 343 and Microsoft really dont like halo and its sad. the thing they took out from the halo franchise since halo 4 was the marines. i miss having marine chanter as we ride a pelican in like in halo 3. all the games after that feel soulless

    • @CAL1MBO
      @CAL1MBO 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Yeah it's a disgusting attitude that they had

  • @legionofmetal9968
    @legionofmetal9968 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    "we've learned our lesson this time guys, we swear."

  • @BoeBins
    @BoeBins 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Given everything else we know about 343's attitudes towards the franchise at the time, it's honestly hard to believe that they even let him audition for the role at all.

  • @TJ_ax
    @TJ_ax 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I really hope Halo Studios creates a spin off game before tackling Halo 7.

    • @sebastianprimomija8375
      @sebastianprimomija8375 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Have you seen the executives? Dude we are in for more hard times as Halo fans.

  • @TheNewFNShow
    @TheNewFNShow 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Ego is the reason for the changes. It happens in every company when there's a new manager. They always want to change the way things run even if they run optimally. They just want to put their name on it.

  • @GregAliano
    @GregAliano 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I think Microsoft intentionally wanted to erase the original Halo legacy after Bungie left on bad terms. It’s like Gavin Belson is the CEO of Microsoft.

  • @Papa5murf1
    @Papa5murf1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    343 was such a shit company - if any other studio had taken over Halo from Bungie, imagine how good Halo would be today!

  • @electroidx9810
    @electroidx9810 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I'm glad Halo 4 exists though. It's pretty epic in its own right, although it contrasts with the other games in the series and should by no means be used as a template to build off of going forward.

  • @RGrant2504
    @RGrant2504 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    FINALLY. Mint (or anyone) acknowledges what I have been saying for YEARS. Halo Reach started this trajectory. Bungie basically created Reach with an alternate formula for Halo, with ideas that were scrapped or didnt make it into the original Trilogy. Riding off Halo 3’s success, Halo Reach performed incredibly well financially. 343 saw this success with all the changes Bungie made and ran with a similar formula tweaked even further (with sales in mind). But many Halo fans expected Halo 4 to be similar to the original Halos (since we are back to the timeline of Chief) and bought the game. The people who loved the new formula of Halo Reach and kids new to the franchise also bought Halo 4. And thus, H4 performed very well in sales. This time from a split audience that would only continue to diverge further into Halo 5. And the snowball continued.

    • @spartanx169x
      @spartanx169x 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Halo 4 has been and still is my favorite for the multiplayer. "Classic Halo" now feels very dated very slow and simply not fun having now spent hrs upon hrs playing Battlefield and COD. 6 or 7 shots with a Battle rifle to get a kills is just stupid. It should be 3 shots with a headshot, 4 shots without. The TTK with the AR should be cut in half. To capture the younger generation they need to seriously speed up the gameplay. They should still keep the "Classic Halo" and a Gametype for the old school fans then it becomes a win win.

    • @Doctor_Pazuzu
      @Doctor_Pazuzu 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@spartanx169x Halo 4 also feels slow as fuck considering what it wants to be, same with Call of duty. If you want a genuinley fast paced shooter then play old Quake or Unreal games. When I want something slower paced I'd like to go to Halo. And lets not act like the "younger generation" doesn't love slow paced stuff, you ever play Fortnite? That shit makes Halo look like Titanfall half the time.
      Also Halo 4 is over 12 years old now and Call of Duty and Battlefield have been the same formula for well over a decade now, that shit is also archaic as fuck now and I wish game companies nowadays would stop relying on IP recognition and make something new.

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@spartanx169x said no one ever. how much they paying you to post comments like this?

    • @iponce2
      @iponce2 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@spartanx169xhalo 4 is a great game, but it's not a great halo game. If halo 4 was actually halo: breakpoint or somesuch, some kinda spinoff, I bet it wouldn't have gotten nearly as much hate as it did. Same with halo 5, maybe even infinite. If those weren't master chief games, if those weren't mainline games, I think people love em.

    • @daBears06
      @daBears06 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Halo reach had a huge playerbase, halo 4 didn't. It's because Halo reach was a good game. Even in MCC it's the most popular halo. Don't discredit reach saying it was riding off of halo 3 despite it's flaws.

  • @wheezer5038
    @wheezer5038 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    i feel like there would be more hope for the franchise nowadays if microsoft said "we're dismantling 343 and forming a new 'halo studio' to make new games" instead of "we're renaming 343 into 'halo studios' after we just fired a bunch of people. we also won't confirm if we're changing our awful hiring process that screwed over halo for the last decade."

  • @JohnnyTightlips2007
    @JohnnyTightlips2007 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    I'd say it's far too late for Rebranded 343 to course correct when the damage is already done.

  • @deanhollingsworth7938
    @deanhollingsworth7938 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Best thing i heard was instead of Master Chief a game where you played as Jermone 92 would be badass and spirit of fire, i Don't want the replace the Chief but spartan 2s are badass

  • @dadoll7099
    @dadoll7099 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    Now he’s Master Chef

  • @optomysticartist7768
    @optomysticartist7768 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Wow what losers they are can’t believe they attempted to change that and didn’t understand that it’s gonna ruin the game until other people had to tell them lol how clueless

  • @ProfSir1
    @ProfSir1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    When will creatives learn to give the people what they want?!? If it ain't broke don't fix it.

  • @FakeJeep
    @FakeJeep 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    6:42 Beta tester here. They didn't care. We literally gave them feedback saying xyz didn't feel right, didn't feel like Halo, etc... They still implimented it. When 4 launched, and 5, everything I had given feedback on as /bad/ was still in the game on launch. It was rather... offputting to say the least.
    Remember they didn't WANT to do what Bungie did. Didn't want to hire Bungie devs, etc... they wanted to be DIFFERENT and that backfired spectacularly. I'm honestly surprised MS let it go on as long as it did.
    Edit: 7:01 ya, that.

  • @thenormie
    @thenormie 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    6:40 the thing is I do not like call of duty, I don't mind traditional halo, but halo 5 has always been my favorite game in terms of gameplay. To me it was the best of both worlds, it was in the middle. I don't want pure call of duty, but I dont wanna just play halo 3 again.

  • @PedroBob
    @PedroBob 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    skill gaps are being fazed out of games to keep the more casual gamers involved and to keep them around long enough to spend money in the online store or season pass.

  • @Norvandt
    @Norvandt 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

    We have known since 2013 that 343 had no idea that Master Chief was or what Halo even was as a franchise. They even stated this publicly themselves back then.

    • @alexlyster3459
      @alexlyster3459 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      You say that, but tyere portrayal of Chief in Halo 4 was genuinely really good. Same in Infinite. It's the rest of the franchise they've struggle to get right.

    • @KrutonSalad16
      @KrutonSalad16 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@alexlyster3459yeah I love H4 even with some bad things but my highlights is Chief in his personality, armour and story, and Cortana in the same manner. Just crazy why some of these companies think they need to reinvent the wheel or do something sloppy to put their name on it. Happy H4 came out the way it did but this would’ve been a quick and early death of Halo had they actually replaced him. Good riddance Bonnie Ross and that old leadership

    • @Norvandt
      @Norvandt 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@alexlyster3459 I will have to disagree. Master Chief in Halo 4, 5 and Infinite is not the Master Chief of the earlier games. Hell the entire reason we dont get to play Master Chief in Halo 5 is because 343 thought he was a side character in the earlier games. That is their own words mind you.
      On top of this Bungie made half of Halo 4 and wrote almost the entire story for 343 because they had no idea what they were doing. It was the last job Bungie had in the Halo deal. To consult 343 with Halo 4 so they could make it happen.

    • @CAL1MBO
      @CAL1MBO 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Halo 4 is good, but the character Master Chief is very different from the original trilogy. I have never been a fan

    • @MasterKiller540_
      @MasterKiller540_ 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Norvandt But you play with Master Chief too on Halo 5: Guardians

  • @stickyrice445
    @stickyrice445 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I think a prequel game would be cool like a younger master chief with a younger blue team.

  • @dakotastrout1733
    @dakotastrout1733 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    But guys 343 is gonna do right by halo... they just need another chance.

  • @MandalorianOfMiatas
    @MandalorianOfMiatas 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Things would've been so different if they hadn't changed the core of halo

  • @bat_mobile7545
    @bat_mobile7545 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    The issue is 343i tried to decontruct a well established game but what they did is deliberatetly destroy instead of build up upon from the existing base, Halo Infinite is what Halo 4 should've done from begining, at las it is too far too late.

    • @Synergy7Studios
      @Synergy7Studios 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Even Halo Infinite us still sorely lacking, especially in the social features department.

  • @Orthobroski
    @Orthobroski 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    dude Mint Blitz, that clip at 7:39 is absolutely and unbelievably swag my guy, amazing clips as always!

    • @Orthobroski
      @Orthobroski 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      AND DUUUUDDEE the clip literally a couple seconds later where you 360 that guy and headshot him bro 😭🤣

  • @anthonylis7646
    @anthonylis7646 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Glad this is getting coverage I saw some people arguing that 343 was okay for doing this 😂 I swear some of these people are tourists

  • @Xokzu
    @Xokzu 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Changing your name does not change who you are.

  • @dud5606
    @dud5606 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Just IMAGINE if they stuck to their guns back then. Holy shit I can't even imagine the outrage.

  • @doubletrouble4766
    @doubletrouble4766 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Well… as it turns out guys 343 is the gift that keeps on giving
    Or rather the opposite, it’s a goldmine of disappointment
    Isn’t it kind of ridiculous how a decade later we are still digging up dirty decisions they made that worked against its fanbase? Not too many game industries can say that
    It’s just stupid that even though they’ve already screwed up so damn much were uncovering more and more
    Now if any of you have ever watched/read Harry Potter not that I’m an expert but we can all agree that we hate Dudley right? Dudley is a dick and only does what he wants to do, hey would you look at that, it’s the same with 343!

  • @N1CKO1138
    @N1CKO1138 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It shows how little they knew what they were doing from the beginning on even the most simple and fundamental levels.
    They're a joke of a studio, their games have a fraction of the success Bungie had and they'd have a fraction of that fraction if they released the exact same games but without the Halo name.
    I know a lot of people say they prefer the new Halo style, but they're the 1% of the fan base while the 99% from peak Halo mania moved on.

  • @Ju-cb6nm
    @Ju-cb6nm 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    And this is why I’ve been a bungie purist, we should have had a traditional halo continuation :(

  • @ryanjanson1202
    @ryanjanson1202 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Looking at the player retention graph not change at all with releases of maps and goty addition is painful

  • @JaCrispy119
    @JaCrispy119 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Why is this being brought up now? This is old news.

    • @TheBanisher24
      @TheBanisher24 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Because it's a slow news week that's why, and nothing brings in views like Halo discourse... I'm tired of unsubscribing and resubscribe I'm just going to stay unsubscribe from this guy

  • @gamerzay69
    @gamerzay69 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hmm. Maybe the community is the problem. Halo 4 was great. Spartan ops in itself was fantastic

  • @theaces3697
    @theaces3697 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i mean people are going to have to get used to it because the man is 74 he will probably be retired after the next Halo his voice was already rough in parts in halo infinite,

  • @cognitoplays9504
    @cognitoplays9504 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'd love to hear the voice actors they chose

  • @TheFakeBriskeh
    @TheFakeBriskeh 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    And people defend this company

  • @BattlewarPenguin
    @BattlewarPenguin 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I remember how BF and COD both stumbled in a massive way and Infinite had everything to succeed but it also stumbled, it was just like the opposite of BF, COD and Titanfall years earlier.

  • @zow8238
    @zow8238 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They removed grenade jumping? And added it back?! What?! Man... I really haven't played infinite in a while. I completely forgot about that.

  • @beltempest4448
    @beltempest4448 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Not gonna lie, I don’t get why they are remaking the original games when there is loads of great lore to work with

    • @sebastianprimomija8375
      @sebastianprimomija8375 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To purge Bungies influence once and for all me thinks.

    • @beltempest4448
      @beltempest4448 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @
      @ that’s a bit cynical, they are a company and they need money to continue to operate. One would hope that the main reason is the are trying to regain goodwill from the fans and return Halo back to its roots before trying something new with the story. Well I just answered my own question. If I’m right then I hope they don’t completely fuck it up by making it weird and woke as fuck. If they were to incorporate elements about marine resistance as seen the novel The Flood in the CE remake then it could be very cool indeed.

    • @sebastianprimomija8375
      @sebastianprimomija8375 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@beltempest4448 After all we've seen coming from 343 leadership you still think their is hope? The only scenario I see Halo Studios earning some goodwill is purging everyone from that studio and placing OG bungie devs in their place the men and women who worked on Halo CE to Reach.

    • @beltempest4448
      @beltempest4448 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ those same people handed off Halo so they could work on other projects, so that’s unrealistic. I don’t hope for anything, I’m just naturally optimistic. I’m optimistic about people acting in their own self interest, once they realise that it’s in their interests to make good halo games that remain true to the lore then we will be back

  • @arthifact
    @arthifact 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    At this point, I just want Mint Blitz to run the Halo franchise. I feel like he would take the old games and collaborate with modders to give us new content, make the next Halo the best Halo ever, and bring back ODST as a Hell Divers game. He could create an incredible battle royale for Halo to generate revenue. There are unlimited ideas we could explore with Halo, even a Warhammer-style game. Just imagine an archaic set of chunky Spartans with melee weapons. What could have been or what could still be. I'm tired of waiting for companies to give us what we want. I’ll bring the franchise back to life, even if it means creating a new one myself.

  • @MajesOnTheXbox
    @MajesOnTheXbox 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Steve MADE the chief. If they replace him the master chief is gone.

  • @Xenbiotic
    @Xenbiotic 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Besides the actors but isn't the Master Chief getting old as well from being in so many games and time periods? Or does the cryosleep keeping him in tip top shape?
    Either way might not be bad to play a new character with Master Chief not being in it for new games. We already know Halo games can tell good stories without Master Chief being a playable character since there is ODST. So the main character doesn't have to be a badass "demon" or Arbiter. There was Reach but I felt like the main character was more hallow than Chief/Arbiter and even Rookie and he doesn't speak as well.
    Also would be nice if there was a more ODST feel Flood focused game
    But yeah there is no reason to change voice actors. Need to keep the voice actor for Arbiter as Keith David for example

  • @jordansmith943
    @jordansmith943 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I guess I'm a minority but halo 4 multiplayer was one of my favorites. Reach was the best in my opinion but halo 4 was more enjoyable for me than halo 3 multiplayer.

  • @rileyphillips-p7o
    @rileyphillips-p7o 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Mint blitz=goated/legend

  • @destroyer1107
    @destroyer1107 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    And the 343 fans call us idiots for not liking 343 huh i wonder why? Is it because everytime something happened it only showed their massive egos and the large levels of hubris they have to make a halo game hell 2 halo games that are so unhalo you have an entire generation thinking halo is call of duty as wellas halo being a trend chaser not a trend setter and i dont see that changing with halo studios i mean their first big update to infinite was 20$ master chief akin 20$ arbiter skin 20$ marine skin and more money for the other miscellanious bs that you can get oh but they gave us a new gun and a way to play infinite that is more true to actual halo so all is forgiven right? Nah

    • @Sonilotos
      @Sonilotos 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You use so much words for someone with so little to say.

    • @gravemind883
      @gravemind883 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      343/halo studios fanbase is *nothing* but a circlejerk of projection.
      They seem to think that because we hold the old games in such high regard, they must think said older games didn't also have some problems and flaws!

    • @gravemind883
      @gravemind883 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@SonilotosAhhh yah you sure showed him!
      Go buy white again for 20 bucks.
      Or another 30$ armor set.

    • @Sonilotos
      @Sonilotos 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@gravemind883 I've made my dream Spartan on Infinite without spending a single cent. "How", you may ask? By PLAYING THE DAMN GAME.
      Nice try though.

    • @nintendonerdjoseph
      @nintendonerdjoseph 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@Sonilotos Just because what he has to say is written in a wordy way, does not mean there is little there to interpret. You have just chosen to be intellectually dishonest because you disagree.

  • @Zqcharia
    @Zqcharia 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Stop trying to blend games cause you think that's how the market works. The more different & authentic the game is the more it grows & stands out. Nobody who plays Halo wants it to feel like COD , vice versa.

  • @brandonmcgregor9912
    @brandonmcgregor9912 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't know if anyone remembers, but back in the Xbox 360 days when Halo Waypoint was an app on the console long before it became a forum website, they had a vidoc leading up to the release of Halo 4. In one vidoc they were talking about the art and they showed the Halo art style guide left behind by Bungie, and as they were talking about doing it their way or however they phrased it, they showed the a physical copy of the official art style guide left by Bungie sitting on a table and as they said it, they physically swiped it off the table and slapped down their radically different one that no one asked for.
    Note: for those who don't know what an art style guide is, if you think of a game design document, but specifically for that art on the game. It's kind of like the bible for the art team on the project for artists to refer back to, and the art leads especially to take guidance from when giving feedback direction to the artists they are in charge of. When you have a team of artists, an art style guide is essential for consistency in the art direction and includes things like silhouettes, colour pallets, shape language, etc. for the game as a whole, also used as a guide for artists if you reserve certain colours or shapes for specific factions for the players readability, having recognisable designs so that the art itself is kind of like branding in of itself, direction for visual appeal, whatever else you can think of like that. That's basically the purpose of an art style guide.
    So to deliberately showing yourself yeeting the beloved art style guide off a table to physically replace it with your own one, I don't think I need to explain how distasteful that is and how it shows there was "This is ours now, screw what came before." mentality at 343i.

  • @gtothereal
    @gtothereal 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i think 343 gets too much hate but this is one of the dumbest attempted changes in the history of gaming lol.

  • @SirSly420
    @SirSly420 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They need to release the new halo with : split screen , 4 player coop campaign , multiplayer with multiple modes (especially big team ctf ) all the past vehicles we loved , theatre mode and file share , and of course , forge mode . And last but not least a story involving the cheif taking on an invading alien force . Give us some excellent voice acting and dont replace anyone capable of doing the job . Oh and Joe Staten and Marty O'Donnell should be heavily involved . Edit : i also want to a battle Royale mode custom game . I really enjoy dropping in Forrnite / deadpool 2 style . This addition is just an extra game mode not the focus of the entire game. Odst style drop pods could work too but its the chief , he doesnt really need the pod .

  • @ThrowawayGerm
    @ThrowawayGerm 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Tbh I wouldn't mind a new main character. Don't get me wrong I love chief but they have such an expansive universe and it sucks we are limiting it to just one character

  • @AudibleFist
    @AudibleFist 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really want to play that older build of Halo 4 now, if it plays like traditional we NEED to experience that!!! If anyone knows the name of that beta please comment below.

  • @Tamed_Delirium
    @Tamed_Delirium 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    that closing bit in the video is 100% truth and I hope they hear it for what it is, and nothing else.

  • @EvilParagon4
    @EvilParagon4 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The best thing about Halo 4's multiplayer is that it's the best way to play early 2000s CoD multiplayer 💀
    With MCC having populated lobbies, CoD having changed its own formula, and the older CoDs being full of hackers or otherwise empty, Halo 4 is the best CoD experience you can play today.
    I would have still rathered a proper Halo game back then, but it is nice that Halo 4's MP actually has value today.

  • @Brandon.S.Brooker
    @Brandon.S.Brooker 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I believe Steve Blum was the new Master Chief. Does anyone remember that early Halo 4 Build of the mission Requiem?

    • @PoyoPancakes
      @PoyoPancakes 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ooooh I didn’t know that! He would be a SOLID choice to voice master chief if Steve Downes retires!

  • @ronski4677
    @ronski4677 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    instead of hiring people who were passionate about changing things they didnt like, they should have hired people who were passionate about not changing things they did like

  • @OrcinusRex60
    @OrcinusRex60 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fact that they even thought about replacing Downes shows you that they never should've been in charge of Halo in the first place.

  • @_MaxHeadroom_
    @_MaxHeadroom_ 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8:16 "Do not release it until it is ready"
    🎶 IN THE YEARRR 2525 IF MAN IS STILL ALIVE 🎶

  • @Duke16Devlin
    @Duke16Devlin 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Mint, Marty O-Donnell did an interview with Steve Downes and Jenn Taylor a couple years ago on his channel called The Big Stage Ep004 (Part 1 and 2). Somewhere in that interview Steve and Jenn recount the entire backstory to the Halo 4 debacle. It's quite a listen!

  • @Pack52022
    @Pack52022 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I applaud you halo fans like mint blitz who still pushes on for this amazing franchise, this and call of duty is beloved franchises i moved on from playing due to bad decisions, shady practices, corporate greed and much more lack of passion from back then they used to have but now it's lacking. You people who push for halo to be better i genuinely appreciate yall because even though i moved on this franchise and cod is in my heart forever. Keep trying to push them to be better...
    *wake me when halo and cod is back.* 🙏

  • @KeithStreetman
    @KeithStreetman 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I actually had him tell me this story in person at an event, in response to a question, and I'm sososososoaoaooo glad he finally touched on this so people will believe me

  • @leviacosta1134
    @leviacosta1134 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I must be such a rare creature because i loved Halo 4 multiplayer. My biggest issue with the series currently is that the game has felt sweaty as hell ever since. Jalo is often more stressful to play these days instead of fun. And i never had that problem with 4.

  • @Sahlan_Ahamed
    @Sahlan_Ahamed 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I hope Halo Studios is well, Halo Studios, and not 343 Industries.

  • @gojiradestructor
    @gojiradestructor 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have the Art of Halo 4 book and even reading about the way they were taking the direction I could tell 'you guys just want to change it for the sake of changing it'. I enjoy Halo 4 but it's ranked lower than the Bungie Era games on my list. It has a strong foundation with Reach's engine but they squandered so much potential with it in their quest to be 'different' from Bungie. It's why I was looking forward to the advent of Halo 4 mods for such a long time, I felt like that would finally unlock it's true potential.

  • @unixgaming6880
    @unixgaming6880 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember playing Halo: Combat Evolved, Custom Edition on PC where you could play custom maps, waaaay ahead of it's time.

  • @BigGreenDayfan
    @BigGreenDayfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I hope they never replace him they can’t he is master chief without him there is no halo if they replace him no one will buy the next halo it won’t be the same

  • @wisdomvisionf.
    @wisdomvisionf. 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As an old saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Or "If it works, it works, don't change what works and what is successful."

  • @Ensbfgnerfer-rn5ck
    @Ensbfgnerfer-rn5ck 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    NO NO NO NO , PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS NOT REAL PLEASE , NO NO

    • @dzd__2216
      @dzd__2216 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Watch the video before talking

  • @F0xSH0X1
    @F0xSH0X1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This news is YEARS old and it baffles me no one here knew this considering it’s been publicly talked about by Steve, Jen, and others.

  • @soccergoku24
    @soccergoku24 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My biggest problem with every Halo for multiplayer is the UNSC tactical weapons that are more useful than everything else. If Halo Studios changes this, then it will take Halo in the right direction.
    Halo still needs to evolve past the same old thing that it's known for. If people want the franchise to return to being a king again, then change is needed. I'm not saying they need to cancel out the things from before but have two completely separate modes.
    For example
    Warfare Matchmaking: Is for those who want a PvP and PvE 100v100 large-scale combat squads of 4 players while utilizing the entire Halo Universe with loadouts, armor traits, different characters modules, and a leveling system for - weapons, grenades, vehicles, equipment, abilities, characters, assassinations and etc.
    Arena Matchmaking: Is for those who want small-scale competitive combat with the same weapon and trait starts. Matches are 4v4 and 8v8 classic gameplay experience. Players play rank matchmaking to level up by winning games and try to reach level 100 to become legendary.
    If Halo Studios wants to deliver an amazing experience for everyone, then this is definitely needed.

  • @havoccreations6746
    @havoccreations6746 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like the day we lose the Chief, Downes, is the day Halo can go down a different path in terms of main story. For instance, 343 gave us a new duo to take up the mantle in Halo Wars 2, Jerome and Isabel. HALO could give us a possible Halo Wars 3, along with a FPS Halo game in the Spirit of Fire's part of the story.

  • @0mikr0n
    @0mikr0n 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Call it what it is. Corporate Halo.

  • @Aloooy108
    @Aloooy108 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They changed the lore and the sound design. That killed it for me.

  • @tpiechnik
    @tpiechnik วันที่ผ่านมา

    to be honest, I do not think halo 4 and 5 were bad at all. It really felt as progress. Now I get the armors were a bit off in the multiplayer, but giving chief a new design and more integrated abilities, such as instantly switching from driver seat to the back, and other abilities were amazing. Also, the way weapons functioned in Halo 5 was amazing. I like it ten times more than the HUD in infinite. They could do that and use the HUD the moment you choose to not include a scope. It feels like they cut too much corners in infinite.

  • @habblebabble70
    @habblebabble70 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I thought it was going to be something like Mrs PacMan, where it's just Master Chief with a bow, eyeliner, lipstick, and a beauty mark over the Mark IV.

  • @verygoofyalligatorwithshades
    @verygoofyalligatorwithshades วันที่ผ่านมา

    A lot of games have a issue of copying other games because they care more about money instead of doing their own thing.

  • @StrikerTheHedgefox
    @StrikerTheHedgefox 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    To be fair, I did enjoy the kill cams. Helps me understand what I did wrong that resulted in my death, it can be a useful learning tool to get better at the game. If the instant respawn wasn't a thing, it'd probably have been better.

  • @supersaltlee7657
    @supersaltlee7657 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Why do we have to insight hate in the community

  • @MitchCyan
    @MitchCyan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The audacity.

  • @kingstongary9103
    @kingstongary9103 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Imagine a Call of Duty game with no sprint, no ads and a good campaign

  • @NightNight202
    @NightNight202 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If voice actors like Peter Cullen can voice Optimus Prime in his 80s, then Steve Downes can sure as hell continue voicing the Master Chief. Don't fix what isn't broke.

  • @ima6pack
    @ima6pack 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    if Halo 4 was supposed to be a fresh start for Halo, then they should have picked up with entirely new characters and not ruined Chief's story

  • @oahtnoob
    @oahtnoob 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wow 343 is more shitty than expected and already thought they were