As a long time Kayano user, I bounced hard off the 30's and ended up with the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 23. I know crazy stack heights are all the rage currently, but the 30's felt like I was running on marshmallows, felt really unstable and unresponsive. The Adrenalines felt more like my previous Kayano 27's, still supportive but without the marshmallow effect. I'm glad I actually took the time to try out the 30's properly and didn't just auto-buy because I've always run with Kayano's, the 30's are a radically different shoe and need to be treated as such.
I'm in the same boat. I have the Kayano 30's and they are very unresponsive. After 3 miles they feel cumbersome. I just bought the GTS 23 and yes they have less cushion but are a lot more responsive and lighter.
You guys give really good reviews and I especially like your stability shoe reviews. I would like to see more stability shoe comparisons. Most shoe reviewers seem to focus on super shoes or lite, fast trainers. I like them too, but my left knee doesn't. Shoe softness and firmness continue to be terms with little or no definition, at least for us average runners. I like ASICS and run in the GT 4000 3, which I consider between soft and firm, leaning more towards the firm side. The last is similar to the Kayano 30 (wide), with a firm medial bridge. That helps my knee, but is a little clunky. Keep up the great work and keep us old guys with knee issues in mind! I may try the Brooks Adrenaline after your review. Thanks.
The Hyperion GTS is working really well for me as an interval/speed session shoe. It complements my other shoes well, which are the saucony guide 16 for easy runs and the Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3 as my race day/faster long runs shoe. I think for those of us with stability needs it's good to not do our interval sessions in a super shoe, as a lightweight stability shoe gives our bodies more of an opportunity to condition to the faster speed as the shoe is doing less of the work.
I tried the gel kayano 30 and thought they where too soft. I weight 86 kg. I wasnt expecting it buy when u look at the sole, its all (mostly) foam. I wasnt totally convinced so I did not buy them… The height of the heel was too much more than what I usually do and the sole is quite wide (but the upper part is not that wide if you have wide feet like me)
hi! thanks for the vid. asking for fellow Plantar fasciitis survivor here. would the kayano be better for someone suffering from PF? Referring from ur statement at 3:30 thanks!
I started running in 2019 and have gone through 7 pairs of Kayano. 26-29, but I'm glad they changed style and technology, as the 29s were probably the worst of the bunch. If Asics stuck with the same format, I would change to a different stability brand. I bought the new 30s but have 100 +km before I retire my 29s, but the 30s certainly feel and fit much better than the 29s
Wouldn’t the ASIC Gel Kayano be a direct competitor to the Brooks Glycerin 20 GTS? Since they are both there, max cushion support shoe? The adrenaline is more of the cross trainer.. Edit: I apologize for making a comment so early in the video because you address it at about 1:12. Thx for explaining why you’re comparing these two. You do need to give the viewers what they want. I get it.
Adrenaline 19 was my first during COVID when I took up running. Tried all the different brands of moderate to max stability shoe. Just bought the Kayano 30s yesterday and will try them out tomorrow. I’m excited about the changes. Thanks for the comparison review!
@@PaaulG28 so far so good. It’s breathable but I live in Florida and almost all of my shoes feel warm. Definitely different than the Kayano 28 and 27 that I own. More comfortable and so far good stability after 20 miles.
i have plantar fascitis. speaking from experience, wider shoes is better, also I think plantar fascitis is more about muscle stiffness than the shoe. with the right stretch and foam roll, you should be able to get rid of it completely.
I've been running in Kayano Lite 3s for the past 2 ish months while training for a marathon in the fall and am looking something with more stack for longer runs, and maybe the marathon itself. Would the 30s naturally just fill that cushion need? I'm aiming for 8:30-8:45 min/miles, so not going crazy. And I also use the Guide 15s, but my pair is on it's way out.
I've put just 100 miles on my first pair of Adrenaline GTS23's. I'm 5' 7" weigh 150lbs and already showing a considerable amount of wear. I doubt it will make 250 miles.
Just curious, how does the stiffer mid sole effect your knees until you break the shoes in, and does it come back as you reach the end of the shoes running life?
I’m enjoying the ride of the Kayano 30, I don’t usually wear stability shoes but the Kayano is my choice coming back after an injury. Having said that, I’m experiencing hotspots on the ball of my feet after 5/6 kms. Some socks work better than others but it’s pretty annoying. I haven’t experienced the same on any other shoe, could this be due to the slightly wide fit of the Kayano? And is the fit the same on the Superblast? I have a narrow foot and I like the Adidas and Nike fit, usually. Thanks!
I had the same feeling on my first run. Don't worry! I think it's just breaking in, because on my second run I had NO hotspots and it felt much more natural
I use mostly Boston 11 and 12 for training but I just bought a pair of these. What should i expect? would they be equally stable? im figuring i just wont be able to go as fast as with the previous pairs
Cumulus is softer by a good bit, even with lower stack which reduces stability. They did a good job of helping balancing that with some similar design elements. Kayano has a bit of a firmer base which makes a big difference for stability underfoot. Kayano may suit a wider audience than before, but should still be best for stability runners first and foremost. If you are comfortable in neutral shoes, the cumulus and nimbus are still the go-tos.
@@DoctorsofRunning thank you for a quick answer, really appreciate that. Love your approach and enthusiasm about the running shoes. Keep up the good work!
Do you feel that the Gel-Kayano 30 is to run as slowly with a lot of cushioning and comfort as the Gel-Nimbus 25 ? I wonder which one feels a bit "faster and versatile " shoes. I love my Gel-Nimbus 25 and the Kayano line in general. But my next stability shoes from Asics will be the GT 2000 12. I really want to try a GT 2000 for the first time. Thanks.
Puma Foreverrun far more of a mild stability shoe at most. These shoes are in a different league compared to that one stability wise (they have much more). -Matt
Stated that in the video! But the popularity and longevity of these two models (compared to the glycerin gts being less known and still relatively new) made a comparison make more sense. -Matt
Used Kayanos for years until I started having ankle impingement pain. Switched to the adrenaline GTS in 2021 and the pain went away.
As a long time Kayano user, I bounced hard off the 30's and ended up with the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 23. I know crazy stack heights are all the rage currently, but the 30's felt like I was running on marshmallows, felt really unstable and unresponsive. The Adrenalines felt more like my previous Kayano 27's, still supportive but without the marshmallow effect. I'm glad I actually took the time to try out the 30's properly and didn't just auto-buy because I've always run with Kayano's, the 30's are a radically different shoe and need to be treated as such.
Im considering going from kayano 28 to something new. I don't like kayano 30 since they look soo big and clumsy.
I'm in the same boat. I have the Kayano 30's and they are very unresponsive. After 3 miles they feel cumbersome. I just bought the GTS 23 and yes they have less cushion but are a lot more responsive and lighter.
@@andyn6053what did you end up buying?
You guys give really good reviews and I especially like your stability shoe reviews. I would like to see more stability shoe comparisons. Most shoe reviewers seem to focus on super shoes or lite, fast trainers. I like them too, but my left knee doesn't. Shoe softness and firmness continue to be terms with little or no definition, at least for us average runners. I like ASICS and run in the GT 4000 3, which I consider between soft and firm, leaning more towards the firm side. The last is similar to the Kayano 30 (wide), with a firm medial bridge. That helps my knee, but is a little clunky. Keep up the great work and keep us old guys with knee issues in mind! I may try the Brooks Adrenaline after your review. Thanks.
Glad you made this video mate
Thanks for watching!
Thanks. Gave me the exact info I was looking for.
Thanks for checking the video out!
The Hyperion GTS is working really well for me as an interval/speed session shoe. It complements my other shoes well, which are the saucony guide 16 for easy runs and the Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3 as my race day/faster long runs shoe.
I think for those of us with stability needs it's good to not do our interval sessions in a super shoe, as a lightweight stability shoe gives our bodies more of an opportunity to condition to the faster speed as the shoe is doing less of the work.
I tried the gel kayano 30 and thought they where too soft. I weight 86 kg. I wasnt expecting it buy when u look at the sole, its all (mostly) foam. I wasnt totally convinced so I did not buy them…
The height of the heel was too much more than what I usually do and the sole is quite wide (but the upper part is not that wide if you have wide feet like me)
Really insightful - thanks! 👟👟 👍🏼
hi! thanks for the vid. asking for fellow Plantar fasciitis survivor here. would the kayano be better for someone suffering from PF? Referring from ur statement at 3:30
thanks!
I ve Kayano 30 as my fist running shoes and it worked awesome
I overpronate, which one would you recommend, Kayano 30 or Glycerin GTS21?
I started running in 2019 and have gone through 7 pairs of Kayano. 26-29, but I'm glad they changed style and technology, as the 29s were probably the worst of the bunch. If Asics stuck with the same format, I would change to a different stability brand. I bought the new 30s but have 100 +km before I retire my 29s, but the 30s certainly feel and fit much better than the 29s
Wouldn’t the ASIC Gel Kayano be a direct competitor to the Brooks Glycerin 20 GTS? Since they are both there, max cushion support shoe? The adrenaline is more of the cross trainer..
Edit: I apologize for making a comment so early in the video because you address it at about 1:12. Thx for explaining why you’re comparing these two. You do need to give the viewers what they want. I get it.
Adrenaline 19 was my first during COVID when I took up running. Tried all the different brands of moderate to max stability shoe. Just bought the Kayano 30s yesterday and will try them out tomorrow. I’m excited about the changes. Thanks for the comparison review!
Hi! How’s being your experience with the Kayano so far?
@@PaaulG28 so far so good. It’s breathable but I live in Florida and almost all of my shoes feel warm. Definitely different than the Kayano 28 and 27 that I own. More comfortable and so far good stability after 20 miles.
@@Joe_Souzaso kayano 30 is better than 27 & 28?
Any thoughts on which would be better for someone prone to plantar fascitis?
i have plantar fascitis. speaking from experience, wider shoes is better, also I think plantar fascitis is more about muscle stiffness than the shoe. with the right stretch and foam roll, you should be able to get rid of it completely.
Hi, how does the Kayano 30 compared to Gaviota 5?
I actually own both and am using them to train for my half marathon. But I don't know which one to use on race day, anyone have suggestions?
I should add, i'll probably be running/finishing 2:20-2:45 with some walking going on.
I've been running in Kayano Lite 3s for the past 2 ish months while training for a marathon in the fall and am looking something with more stack for longer runs, and maybe the marathon itself. Would the 30s naturally just fill that cushion need? I'm aiming for 8:30-8:45 min/miles, so not going crazy. And I also use the Guide 15s, but my pair is on it's way out.
I've put just 100 miles on my first pair of Adrenaline GTS23's. I'm 5' 7" weigh 150lbs and already showing a considerable amount of wear. I doubt it will make 250 miles.
Did the Adrenalines hold up?
@@elizabethw.454No. 220 miles and tread almost all gone.
Just curious, how does the stiffer mid sole effect your knees until you break the shoes in, and does it come back as you reach the end of the shoes running life?
I’m enjoying the ride of the Kayano 30, I don’t usually wear stability shoes but the Kayano is my choice coming back after an injury. Having said that, I’m experiencing hotspots on the ball of my feet after 5/6 kms. Some socks work better than others but it’s pretty annoying. I haven’t experienced the same on any other shoe, could this be due to the slightly wide fit of the Kayano? And is the fit the same on the Superblast? I have a narrow foot and I like the Adidas and Nike fit, usually. Thanks!
I had the same feeling on my first run. Don't worry! I think it's just breaking in, because on my second run I had NO hotspots and it felt much more natural
Yeah, it went much better in my last run, I also replaced my usual socks with some extra thin ones (Steigen) and I didn’t get any hotspots
I use mostly Boston 11 and 12 for training but I just bought a pair of these. What should i expect? would they be equally stable? im figuring i just wont be able to go as fast as with the previous pairs
I have both but brooks is my favorite
How would you rate the breathability on the kayano 30’s. I love my nimbus 25’s but they’re definitely an oven on hot days.
Really good question. Would love this to be answered.
Kayano 30 feels like glycerin gts 20 imo. They are more plush.
How do you compare kayano 30 to Cumulus 25, do they feel the same actually? Wide base, sidewalls etc, quite similar arent they?
Cumulus is softer by a good bit, even with lower stack which reduces stability. They did a good job of helping balancing that with some similar design elements.
Kayano has a bit of a firmer base which makes a big difference for stability underfoot. Kayano may suit a wider audience than before, but should still be best for stability runners first and foremost. If you are comfortable in neutral shoes, the cumulus and nimbus are still the go-tos.
@@DoctorsofRunning thank you for a quick answer, really appreciate that. Love your approach and enthusiasm about the running shoes. Keep up the good work!
Adrenaline 23 is great.
What about the glycerine BTS vs the Kayano vs the beast?
Gel kayano 30 or glycerine gts 22 is best?
I mean glycerine GTS 22 is literally or more than half of the price of kayano 30 at the moment.
Do you feel that the Gel-Kayano 30 is to run as slowly with a lot of cushioning and comfort as the Gel-Nimbus 25 ? I wonder which one feels a bit "faster and versatile " shoes.
I love my Gel-Nimbus 25 and the Kayano line in general. But my next stability shoes from Asics will be the GT 2000 12. I really want to try a GT 2000 for the first time.
Thanks.
Which one good for SUPINATION?
@@catchmeifyoucan_2024 the Kayano is far better for supination. The adrenaline will probably make it worse!
@@DoctorsofRunning glad found this reply, i thought all stability shoes are same
Also compare with Puma Foreverrun
Probably the softest one of the three.
@@Skibidibobobeebop Yeah seems like that. But wanna know how much it is in terms of stability compared to these because I've severe overpronation
Puma Foreverrun far more of a mild stability shoe at most. These shoes are in a different league compared to that one stability wise (they have much more).
-Matt
Brooks wins
I turned this off after 1 minute because you said the other ASICS is a comparison
Brooks Glycerin GTS is a more accurate head to head comparison vs. the Kayano 30
Stated that in the video! But the popularity and longevity of these two models (compared to the glycerin gts being less known and still relatively new) made a comparison make more sense.
-Matt
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Kayano should bring back 27 and 28 versions..It’s not evolving well😢😢
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