Ruined or Redeemed? Regrinding my Buck Onset to cut good
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Uncle Randy's heartbreak is soul crushing, no matter how many times I see it...
He so accurately captured the knife community’s frustration with Buck. They have an amazing legacy, US manufacturing, and top notch steel. Then, they face plant.
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I highly approve of seeing tools being so grossly misused to good effect.
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I absolutely admire your modification efforts, it amazes me that Buck forgot to make this knife slicey out of the box. It’s good to see Buck producing newer designs, but don’t leave behind basic Buck concepts like thinner blade stock, slicey low angle grinds, while still remaining a cut sturdy tool for expected applications.
Great work Pete! My original offer to loan you my blade grinding attachment and belts for as long as necessary still stands, I really think it's a massive upgrade to a worksharp. Thanks for all the content, I love that one of the best knife channels around is a fellow Aussie!
4 grams removed in order to make it a decent geometry?! That was a serious Chunky McChunkerton.
Well done. You now have a functional working knife for your tasks around home. Don't leave it laying around; Uncle Randy might just pick it up & decide it's good enough to keep. You could always send it back to Buck Knives so they can copy your revisions/improvements & sell a better a knife in the future. Just make sure you get the percentage of royalties sorted out first.
It's hella pricy for what it is. That's weird from Buck. Being in France i've always thought that prices weren't that bad, considering the heat treat and design of the 110. (We mostly see this one, the only others are the fix blades)
I like this channel
the guts theme hit me like a brick
dat berserk beginning ugh that song kills me. good ass video once again pete.
$170 + for a knife, then you have to fix it. Buck should be ashamed of themselves!
well, he didn't have to fix it as it still cut.
Buck is not the only company guilty of selling bricks. I love my 940 but it's behind the edge thickness is inexcusable.
Well done! I would definitely call this a cutting edge video. Knife modder? Perhaps not according to the technical definition. But you have proven your ability to diagnose & fix a problem piece of equipment, using tools at hand.
Bloody good job mate! Why not finish it off with a micro sharpening choil at the tang. Just a few minutes with maybe a diamond file / round. Thanks for sharing.
Sharpening choils aren't always necessary or beneficial IMO. I always seem to get loose material caught in them, one of the reasons I like Spydercos is the lack of them on most blades. I find it relatively easy to keep the edge straight all the way to the plunge but I have a fair bit of sharpening experience so YMMV. Just putting it out there that it's not necessarily a universal upgrade.
@@jameshealy4594 I agree with you. To put in context, my experience with say a CRK Sebenza style sharpening choil is it's on the large side and sometimes interrupts use. But, something like a Lionsteel SR2 or TRE which have much smaller choils, don't jag in use and allow me to more conveniently keep the edge sharpened evenly at the root/plunge. Certainly MMV.
You put forth a lot more effort than me. I would have just returned it for a refund. How disappointing especially given the price point. Still love the 110's.
Always appreciate hearing berserk soundtrack
Pete you are my favorite. This recent content is just mind blowingly good.
Great work Pete!!!
Honestly one of the best outro songs ever. Enjoyed watching you improve that blade!
One of the best character arcs I've seen this year, bravo.
Remember back when the Buck Micarta came out and you was into thick blades that were durable and wouldn't break. I just watched it and caught your comment. I can't remember the name of the video, but I thought it was a bit humorous how overtime we learn this and that and our views change. I bought the Buck Paradigm and after watching your video on the benefits on slim blades with good edge retention it had me wishing I would have been more patient and picked out a knife with a slimmer blade, In any case I lost the receipt and am now stuck with the knife, but I don't think it is a total loss as all though it may not cut as good as a slim blade it is as you felt early in your knife career valuable as a sturdy knife that can hold a edge and can be sharpened to do most jobs I will need it for but I will not have the luxury of having a supper slicy knife of which I could quarter a deer by using only the weight of the knife as all the force needed to cut away the meat. I am new to the knife hobby and enjoy your shares and see you as one of the more logical Knife gurus to follow, Thanks.
Keep the videos Coming' mate! Always need my lessons from knife lord cedric😂. In all serious you're the most informative AND entertaining knife channel to date!!! Much love from Brisbane
The berserk music is just perfect 😂 u just earned another subscriber
Strangely nostalgic to see how dusty that Tormek was, considering how much we used to see it in your earlier videos.
That's some advanced buck breaking.
Great vids man keep it up!
Love the berserk music in the beginning
did you just spay WD40, a water repelling surface sealant, on the tormek Soaking Water stone? :(
it was covered in old oil which was sticking the dust to it
@@CedricAda thats a shame! As long as it still works!
I don't think it really matters. The way the tormek works there is constantly water flowing across the stone. Not like a bench stone where the soak actually makes it sort of self lubricating.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 Yeah, i think so too.
NICE SAVE, UNCLE RANDY WOULD BE PROUD
That’s a real shame that it is so thick behind the edge. When I saw that Buck had came out with this model I really liked the looks of it but I hate thick edges. I still may get one when they are available locally but I am certainly not rushing out to do so now!
So that is what polishing a turd looks like.🤣 seriously you did a great job 🦉
Oh my God, that's what a Passion Fruit looks like? Nice job with the resurrection.
Omg the intro was so good lol
Great redemption arc; could really empathize with the protagonist and shared their journey!
You are the tinder master!!!!!!
Good on you for jumping in and having a go at putting things right, Pete! Oh by the way, are you close to introducing a standardised Cedric and Ada Cherry Tomato Push Cut Test? 😂
Looks like what you said in your previous video is spot on, too bad Buck did not put the blade from the 110 onto this frame.
Intro is heart breaking!
what is the best suited knife steel for a camping knife? i need something that will withstand getting beaten on but also has good edge retention Thanks
Pretty good job tbh. Especially considering the limited setup
I love the Berserk music.
quality intro as always😂
Bet you read Larrin Thomas' article titled, "Does Sharpening with a Grinder Ruin Your Edge?" I noticed you kept the edge away from that Work Sharp grinder's belt. Without fail knives sharpened on a dry belt including Work Sharp did not make as many cuts as a hand sharpened knife did even with an 'as measured' better sharpness. Most factory edges failed too because the final edge is ground without coolant.
It is why I converted my old Delta 1x42 belt grinder to wet grinding. The edge is so thin you re-temper the steel no matter how fast you go down to a thousandth of an inch or more. I bought an American made S30V knife and when I went to sharpen it by hand it felt soft. I ran it across my diamond hone until it felt harder, about 10 passes both sides. Then it felt like I was polishing glass on my ceramic stone. I sometimes get D2 that way as well.
good job
Large effort, well done. Would really like to see a pair of "# of cuts" tests using the a single knife, first sharpened at 17 degrees and then 12. Much of what I read indicates that most modern steels will have better edge retention at lower angles than 17.
He's done videos on that topic.
One of a kind.
Good old Uncle Randy, never dounlbted he would stick with the one and only buck 110
Which sub 100usd folding knife do you recommend for best edge retention out of the box?
420 cuts with factory edge to 600 with convex edge?! Your reprofiling must have removed some burnt edge steel. Curious what that Buck heat treated S45VN would do now with your standard KME 17° polished edge.
Yeah, plus it sounds like his edge angle dropped when reprofiling, which would also help.
The thinner behind the edge, the more rope cuts it does. Sure burnt edge may have been removed. But rope cut testing has to be shown with context. Its why cardboard cut testing should be used as well as it relies less on bte thickness. Puts things more into perspective. Here's an s45vn test with cardboard th-cam.com/video/DzUsYGAQ0Qs/w-d-xo.html
A very intelligent machinist turned tool-making old man, now passed God bless his soul, once told me, "When you buy a tool, such as a knife, gun, etc. you first get it home and fix it."
I wonder if that blade would be able to take a hollow grind. The Tormek seemed to do some real work for the primary grind. The jump from 400 to 600 cuts is incredible.
That Berserk in the intro gave me the feels
I hope someone at Buck sees this video, and realizes they make CRAP!
well, hinderers and cold steel are thick behind the edge are those crap, or are they designed to be beaten on different geometry for different uses.
Guts theme*
@@lovescamaros1 There are lots of Cold Steel knives that are not thick behind the edge. Also there is no other company that will sell you a stainless steel frame lock at 180 dollars - they usually give you titanium.
Also, have you ever seen a knife with such bad grinds on the secondary bevel?
@@Phil-S8 seen plenty of knives with bad secondary grinds. I've owned hundreds of knives and have had duds from many manufacturers American, Italian and Chinese in all price ranges. It's not just a buck problem.
@Josh F an inch of blade play? um alrighty, bud over-exaggeration at its finest huh.. do ya think buck may have wanted a bit of an overbuilt folder being thicker behind the edge with an ss frame lock? I've owned more than a few cold steel knives and most are thicker behind the edge but that has been the overbuilt stuff but that's kind of the point now, isn't it.
I've done some good regrinding on just my KO grinder.
I kinda saw it before but now all I can see is a flipper Ontario Rat I blade.
Heck yeah
I think you did a pretty good job all in all. If I was you though I would of used THE HUSK KNIFE to precisely shave the stock down to a hair popping edge. Your welcome 🤗
What do you usually do to sharpen your knives?
DEFINITELY better... you took a gem in the rough and polished it up ❤️ It's redeemed hahah
Great video, and I meant to comment on your previous video w/ the Berserk soundtrack to tell you I'd watched it. No idea how a great anime still exists that I hadn't watched yet, but it was awesome! At least the 1997 one was.. the 2016 one was a miss for me. Was there really only one season of the 1997 run? That's the kind of show I wish could go on and on. Anyhow, I wanted to tell you thanks for mentioning it in your video I rly enjoyed it! :)
para 3 is in s45vn pls compare fully serrated vs fully plain edge (:
After the least video I was hoping you would modify the grind, or have it done, to see what kind of improvement could be made. If you were to do it again, would you go with the same 15 degree full convex? Or attempt a full flat grind, Spyderco-esque grind?
Buck had a huge opportunity to knock this one out of the park. They screwed it up rather badly when considering it’s price. Especially when you put it up against USA made knives from Spyderco and Kershaw in the same price range. Here’s hoping Case does a lot better with their two new offerings, which are shipping soon.
Did you take more off the buldging side? Why not leave a convex edge facing geometry I would think the torMek would allow thar
Atta boy I new you could do it 👍🏻👍🏻🤪
And that's the story of how Pete decided to become a knife maker.
Oh yeahhh!! Tomato push-cuts! Thats a more user friendly measure to relate to.
If you could score it between 1= stone age felling ax to 10= alien plasma cutting edge how hard did you push on the knives?
Thinned the whole thing down? Impressive.
Do Buck make any folder with a good thin profile? I've got three Buck folders, and none are slicey enough for me.
I wish theyd put a 110 blade on a modern handle and lock system
@@CedricAda Yes. I've got a 110, and the only reason I don't carry it, is that it weighs so much. If I put it in a jacket pocket, my whole jacket warps out of shape!
I've got the Duke folder, and the small Canoe folder, too. Neither one has a thin enough blade to take an ultra sharp edge.
I carry a Cold Steel Recon one, with the old ultralock locking system, which, to me, is the perfect locking system. I can open and shut the blade by moving just one finger very slightly, so much guicker than any other knife.
Back locks feel like ancient technology to me now. A pain in the arse 😄
I’ve missed the despair of Uncle Randy.
Pete, can I get the name of the song starting at 7:12?
Every time you sharpen it, flatten it out a bit on a stone or belt and it should really look better and cut better.
What's that song?
This is Buck's version of the first generation Corvette. Kinda cool, mostly a flop.
I have the Kershaw in the Hinderer design. Its cool but I like Ontario Rat better
90 degree spine?
What song is that @ 7:17
Berserk anime outro
Hey Pete, are you planning to get a Baby Banter?
And on the next episode, the patrons buy Peter a water fed belt grinder and 50 belts.
I'd still not buy s45vn or this model of buck
not really like he needs defending but he has had the tormec for years and years, also realistically s45 is just s35 with bumped performance to compete with m390, 20cv
@@reaper117nobody7 unfortunately s45vn cannot keep up with m390 class steels when m390 is heat treated well (only a handful heat treat m390 well). The results your seeing are due to reduced behind the edge thickness and removing the burnt factory edge. S45vn still is a budget class steel. And m390 is being heat treated poorly in most mass manufacturing brands.
The results need context. The reason why you generally see higher numbers in rope cutting is generally due to thinner edges. The thinner the edge and behind the edge thickness, the higher the score. So the results of rope cut testing is hard to corelate without context between the different examples.
With cardboard cutting, edge angle matters, but behind the edge thickness matters less (there are exceptions as with any rule). What I think I'm trying to say is, you can always improve your edge retention by edge angle. But also with heat treatment. And different brands provide a better heat treatment allowing more edge retention without changing the angle too much. For example 420hc vs 420hc with buck's BOS heat treatment.
You gain more edge retention with a proper heat treatment with same behind the edge and edge angle knives. Peter's results with s45vn improved because of the geometry and perhaps also removing the burnt edge. With that said the belts and motorized sanding could have heated the blade and tempered it slightly, but probably not as they were low rpm. I enjoy data, and peter does a great job at providing it. Check out some of the cardboard cut testing and get more context with Pete's results. Outpost76 also did an s45vn cut test 2 days ago, worth checking out and take in more context.
S45vn is better than its predecessors. But is still a bit far from what m390 class steels is capable with good heat treatment and geometry.
And I shouldn't say budget class. But a step out of budget class. I'm sure some custom makers will provide some exceptions at a higher cost.
@@reaper117nobody7 here's a video that helps with more context th-cam.com/video/PdnkLX-pWik/w-d-xo.html
@@tacticalcenter8658 well you certainly have your opinions but too long didnt read
@@reaper117nobody7 why do you not care? Using facts to provide you an answer to your comment.
I think you'll lie awake at night and think about how much better an extra 6 or 8 gram reduction would be than a mere 4 gram removal.
Thickness behind the edge doesn't matter when cutting paper, and an extra .010"-.015" isn't going to make a difference,,,only in your head
You could make an hour long video of scrolling through your phone while taking a shit and I'd still give it a thumbs up if you had Guts's theme playing in the background. That's how good that song is...
I see a stiff wire brush and plenty of WD-40 / CRC in your future :p
The way Pete wipes down his grinding wheel reminds me of the way I wash my balls monthly.
Odd fällkniven f1 comes to mind now.. Just in folding...
What were you trying to cut that it was too thick for? Must be a cultmunnity consensus like "it's not deep carry enough", "the detent is too strong", "the detent is too weak", "my fingers hurt"😆
Uncle would be happier if you ground a clip point...
This is hilarious
Guts theme and randy lol
Redeemed!
Real shame it comes like this, the only satisfactory way to do this is grinding the full height of the blade. You can be a masochist and use a extremely low grit stone (sub 100 grit) or take the risk with a belt sander.
Buck should have done that to begin with.
Your hair eyebrows and glasses make you look like a mad scientist
Looks kind like shit but a great user, Cliff Stamp (RIP) would be proud…👍🏻
I think Cliff would say it was a duper, stuper, job. 👍
I have a Chi-com Brother fixed blade I gave exactly such an edge and it's evil now. I did it all using stones like Grampaw Bucky would
for $175.00 should not have to do much. buck has disappointed lately
I hate sharpening my knives.
...I hate even more a dull and pointless knife.
Hope you're doing ok Pete...
Freaking sad seeing what's going on in your country mate ..the stuff I've seen is horrible. Ya won't find it on screwtube , they delete everything, my comments seldom post anymore so 🤷
If this does post ..I'm praying for Aussies and my own country . ..something is really off with these mandates its not normal. Big stories are breaking here , the news won't share it but it will get out eventually.
I thought maybe it would stop but dang bro it's way worse esp with summer coming .
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I’m sorry but no one should have to regrind a $180 knife. Buck should be embarrassed and contact you to make it right
Yeah, they should contact all of the thousand or so customers who bought the knife and make it right, but they won’t. They made this particular model the way it is.
Just shows how lazy knife makers can be.