My Favorite Games by 10 Hall of Fame Designers (Sunday Sitdown)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2018
- Jamey discusses his favorite games by those whom he considers "hall of fame" game designers.
Uwe Rosenberg (Ora et Labora or A Feast for Odin or Patchwork), Rob Daviau (Risk Legacy), Alexander Pfister (Isle of Skye), Riener Kniezia (Ra), Eric Lang (Blood Rage), Antoine Bauza (7 Wonders Duel), Vlaada Chvátil (Codenames), Corey Konieczka (Star Wars: Rebellion), Richard Garfield (Magic), Martin Wallace (London)
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I agree with the criteria you've used to select your candidates. I would definitely include Wolfgang Kramer, as his body of work spans decades now and has won Spiel des Jahres multiple times. Sid Sackson would also be another great designer to add to the list, as many of his designs (which go back as far as the 1950s) were big inspirations for later designers games. Other than those two, I think your list is a great outlook on the concept of a Hall of Fame.
I also believe tha Kramer and Kiesling, Vital Lacerda, Bruno Cathala and....Jamey Stegmaier should be on this list ;)
Inka and Markus Brand have to be future hall of fame contenders! Bottom of the ninth hitters I'd want on my team.
I think Vital Lacerda should be in the hall of fame list as well. Especially for Kanban.
Great to see the love for Ora et Labora! It’s my favorite Uwe game, too. :)
I love Ora et Labora! I just wish I could frakkin buy it.
I really agree with this list, for the most part. I would say especially the Uwe and Vlaada being on it
Corey for pretty much defining the hidden traitor mechanic in Battlestar Galactica.
Rob for defining the Legacy mechanic.
Donald X. Vaccarino for defining the deck buglier.
Reiner Knizia, Antoine Bauza, Richard Garfield for the sheer breath of their work and the influences they've had on the hobby.
I love Rich Garfield. One of the best people ever if you get the chance to meet him in person. And his most underrated game is Treasure Hunter from Queen Games. Great List Jamey!
I got Treasure Hunter for one of my kids for Christmas a couple of years ago but he has not wanted to play it for some reason. I need to get it to the table maybe playing without him and playing with others.
Great list, really enjoyed this Sunday Sitdown. For me the number 1 in the hall of fame would have to be Vlaada for the same reasons you gave. No one seems to have such an impressive but varied catalogue of games as he does. Agree with lots of your other entries too, although would argue that Feld should be on there! Thanks again for another great video :)
Yeah, I'm not sure why I forgot about Feld. I think it may be that all of his games I know of fall within a very narrow category of Euros, though there's nothing wrong with being very good at a specific thing.
As some had mentioned W. Kramer has a great ammount of games and have had a great impact on industry. Like the track around the board games to count points, he invented it. A lot of variety. Agreed with Vlaada. Agreed with kniziá.
Stefan Feld deserved an honorable mention here ;).
While he didn't make my list, I agree he fits those guidelines!
bushibayushi Second this, if not just for Castles of Burgundy or Trajan.
Wow, I was surprised that Stefan Feld wasn’t on your list rather than a honorable mention
Nice list! But quite surprised Friedemann Friese is not on that list nor did I see him mentioned in the comments! The obvious choice amongst his creations would be Power Grid (and wouldn't be wrong!) but that man has a long list of great games!
I definitely considered it, but then I took a closer look at what he's designed, and I just didn't see that many games that have made a huge impact (at least in the US--perhaps he's much more successful in Germany). I certainly applaud his innovation and variety, though.
wow, you have been on a roll with your concepts for posting, totally excellent!
Uwe - not a fan, too dry, enjoyed Patchwork and own (want to play) Bohnanza
Vlaada - when you think about just Through the Ages, Mage Knight, and Codenames, alone those 3 games are among the hugest ever… not to mention all the other stuff he’s done and yet to do … amazing, actually I’m going to go check his oeuvre again right now.
Knizia - has to be #1, just because of his total impact, and def. the tear he was on between about ‘97 - ‘03.
No Stefan Feld ?? that’s ballsy, he’s got tons and tons of highly ranked titles. But honestly I only own C.O.B.
And no Kramer and Kiesling? Oh man, I don’t know about that either.
Very intriguing, thanks (-:
Great List. But you really have to play codenames duet. It made it to the top of my favourite 2 player games list. Excellent game. Thank you for your videos, Jamey!
Awesome! Yes, I need to play it. :)
Bruno Cathala has designed a lot of great games IMO. A lot of variety there: Shadows of Camelot, Mr Jack, Five Tribes, Kingdomino and Cyclades...
jankogo Bruno I think it one of the most deserving imo
Jamey great list...I love Martin Wallace...love his discworld games but I feel that Alan r moon has to be on the list for the same reason as Richard Garfield...the impact that ticket to ride had on pushing modern boardgames to where they are today...but again only my opinion...thanks again.
Richard Garfield's first three ccgs are some of my top favorite games. I may just love collectible cards too much, but I think these three games define a lot of what i like about other board and card games. So that's *Magic: the Gathering*, *Netrunner*, and *Vampire: the Eternal Struggle*.
I completely agree. Three very different card games that nonetheless feel like they've come from the same designer, and they're all *excellent*.
Fun idea for your Sunday Sitdown! Hard to argue with your picks and when trying to do my own list, I found it very difficult to narrow it down to 10. Probably the biggest omission from your list, in my opinion, is Stefan Feld. I guess his point salad games are not varied enough to make it on your list?
Yeah, I think Feld didn't occur to me because of how narrow of a category he covers. But he's very good at those games!
Was really surprised when the last name on the list wasn't Stephen Feld.
Well considering it is "Stefan" Feld, clearly he's not that famous.
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Great video! And I really like your Charterstone t-shirt! :-)
Thanks! A friend made it for me. :)
Sid Sackson perhaps. Recently played Acquire a number of times and it still holds up to modern designs.
I'd have to have you and Vital Lacerda need to be on this list.
For having a wider selection of game designers in a hypothetical hall of fame, I'd structure it with different wings. So you could have categories of mechanisms with designers that specialize in certain kinds of games. This could be a good counterpoint to your criteria of game designers that have a wide range of types of games. Then this also allows for focusing on women designers and persons of color. But it will take time for beginning designers like myself to rise up. Only one or two games under the belt is not enough to be any kind of hall of famer. :-)
Love Eric Lang's The Godfather: Corleone's Empire
I'm impressed by the GIPF guy. Also the Pack-O-Games guy.
Women for sure will rise for sure in the industry. Waiting for those hits. You mentioned so many good ones! It's so hard to pick a different one.
Just like you, I feel that Ora et Labora is one amazing game and I really can't decide if I like that or Feast for Odin more. They are his #1 and #2 games no matter which one is first. Pfister, well, I really didn't like Isle of Skye at all but Great Western Trail is my favourite game of all time. Knizia's Tigris & Euphrates is amazing (I have a somewhat rare 1st edition German Hans im Glück edition of that game with the wooden pieces!), however I haven't played Ra. Bauza's 7 Wonders: Duel is one of my favourite 2p games.
If anyone wants to get to know some designers better, I recommend the Five Games for Doomsday podcast. So far just some of the notable guests are: Isaac Childres, Reiner Knizia, Inka Brand, and Ignacy Trzewiczek. I am new to the hobby and haven't even played games by these people, but it seems most board game designers are interesting individuals. Also, the format of the podcast is entertaining. Maybe Jamey will appear one day?
I would add Stefan Feld and maybe Andreas Seyfarth
Klaus Teuber. Four time winner of the Spiel des Jahres. Mostly known for Catan and I'd definitely consider him a giant in the industry and definitely hall of fame worthy
Jamey, have you played Ships by Martin Wallace? If so, what did you think if? If not I recommend it
I haven't played, it, but I appreciate the recommendation!
What do you think about Wolfgang Kramer games? I thought he was considered to be the among the best designers...
He's definitely up there! El Grande is the game by him that I know the best.
I was for sure certain you weren't going to put Richard Garfield pheeew..... People I guessed were here lol.
Just started the video, I have guesses in my head who will be on this list. Hope I am right.
You missed someone on the hall of fame list: Jamey Stegmaier. Such an awesome designer ;)
Thanks! Though I don't meet my own criteria. :)
If we're specifically talking tabletop gaming? My perspective is on European and North American gaming, which is admittedly a limited bias. I'm also not familiar enough with miniature gaming to comment on that (But, well, I know the first modern miniature wargame was by H. G. Wells, so could see an arguement for him on any such list)
My choice of games are for things I think is most representative of why I think they should be on the list (or most representative of there designs generally for 'sheer bredth of design'), not necessarily my favourite of thier games. There are some obvious omissions of games because it isn't so clear what specific designer to attatch, and this is hall of fame of designers, not games (e.g. Cosmic Encounter, which was the first game to go all in on variable player powers)
Richard Garfield (For inventing the CCG genre as we know it today) - Magic the Gathering
Matt Leecock (For being at the front of the co-op revolution) - Pandemic
Reiner Knizia (For sheer bredth of design) - I'm going to go Tigris & Euphrates
Lizzie Magie (For doing an early example of a game designed rather than evolved, along with inventing a lot of modern mechanics in the process) - The Landlord's Game
Klaus Teuber (For popularizing what we now know as Euro games in the anglosphere) - Catan
Sid Sackson (For sheer bredth of design) - Acquire
All 6 of these designers have to get onto it, imo, as the six I would argue are the most influential individuals to what modern gaming looks like in North America and Europe - I can't imagine what it looks like without any of these individuals, or if it gets to where it looks like today I think it would have taken longer than it took to get here.
More questionable preferences of mine from which I'd pick four to join those 6.
David Parlett (Representative of Spiel des Jarres and the influence that's had on the industry, by way of being the first winner of the award) - Hare and Tortoise
Mike Fitzgerald (Sheer bredth of design) - Going to go with Mystery Rummy
Leslie Scott (Early example of a designed, rather than folk, dexterity game outside of the children's space) - Jenga
Rob Daviau (Inventing the Legacy mechanic) - Risk Legacy
Donald X Vaccarino (Inventing the Deck Building mechanic) - Dominion
Martin Wallace (Sheer bredth of design) - I'm going to go Brass
Friedmann Friesse (Sheer bredth of design) - I'm going to go Power Grid
Uwe Rosenberg (Sheer bredth of design) - I'm going to go Agricola
Eric Lang (Sheer bredth of deisgn) - I'm going to go Blood Rage
Stefan Feld (Sheer bredth of design) - I'm going to go Castles of Burgundy
(And, just to add - There are a couple of Obvious Omissions of influential games because they're hard to pin down to an individual behind them - Cosmic Encounter, for example)
I think Wolfgang Kramer deserves to be not only on this list, but at the very top of it. His influence on modern board gaming is simply incredible!
Sid Sackson would surely be in the inaugural HOF.
Why is Ora Et Labora so hard to acquire? I've been trying to get it for nearly a year now, and I'm sure there are lots of people who've been waiting even longer!
I believe it was out of print and will be getting a reprint soon.
So, when discussing your favourite “I split you choose” games - have you played San Marco? It’s my personal favourite. I kind of consider it my 3 player el grande (which is possibly my favourite game)
I haven't played San Marco, but it sounds like I need to check it out!
Feld, Kramer and the Brand's should be there. :)
Honorable mention to Inka & Marcus Brand? They have of plenty of fantastic games and as varied a catalog as Vlaada Chvatil.
I wasn't familiar with their names, but now that I look at their list, they absolutely meet my guidelines!
Lots of overlap with my list. Where is Donald X Vaccarino? Dominion and Kingdom Builder are pretty huge.
Just a note. "Ch" in Czech is pronounced similarly to the Dutch g or the croation hr
Great list Jamey.
If you had to do an all female list, who would they be and what games would you pick from them?
That's a good question! Let me think about that for a video (and also consider if I want to make a list based on gender).
FELD!!!
Maybe you were thinking of War of the Ring? Rebellion also borrowed many ideas from the PC game of the same name. That’s not a bad thing, as both are fantastic games.
Yes, that was it! Thanks. :)
Hi. Cannot believe you didn't include Phil Walker-Harding. He has designed so many great games.
Believe it! :) I considered Phil--I love Barenpark, Imhotep, and Sushi Go--but I think he has another 6 or so major hits to go before I'd put him up there with Uwe Rosenberg and Vlaada.
One of my faves. Gizmos looks really promising, and Archaeology and Dungeon Raiders are underrated card games.
Great group of folks on the list! Your enthusiasm for games is refreshing. I'm noting no women. Based on your criteria, I'm thinking this is more of an indicator of the industry than it is an oversight. Can you suggest some great games by woman designers or woman designers I should look up specifically?
I can just think of Inka Brand.
Sophia Wagner did Noria, but I'm not that enthusiastic about this game.
Philipp Neumann thank you, I'll look them up. You could check out Carla Kopp of Weird Giraffe Games, Emma Larkins and Sarah Reed for some others
Blood Rage!!! Favorite game to lose!
No Feld...incomplete list! No judgement!
Wolfgang Kramer has i think 4 SDJ... Kiesling 2 i think... Also Bruno Cathala
Also Feld should be here.. I do not like his games(mostly) but still... Should be here...
I did a geeklist where I ranked the top designers based on where their games ranked on BGG and the results were pretty similar to your top 10. boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/233007/top-25-designers-according-bgg-ratings-2017-editio
I think Vital Lacerda is establishing himself as a potential Hall of famer. Simone Luciani is my favorite designer but I don't know if he has the diversity of designs to be an all time great.
For me, the two top ones are Vlaada Chvátil (even though I don't love most of his games) and Mark Herman. Mark Herman is probably the best.
I haven't played any games by Herman. Which one would you recommend as a starter?
His games are usually very dense and complex, but -I haven't played it yet- the new one, Fort Sumter, is a two-player game between 25 and 40 minutes. Seems the best place to start.
And then there's Pericles. That design is amazing.
Thanks Roberto!
Over the last few years, I realize that we don't play many of the same games. Or maybe it would be more accurate to say we top 10 far different games. Are you more of an omni gamer? or is there a specific genre you usually gravitate toward?
I would say I gravitate towards Euro games, but I'll play pretty much anything once. :)
Francis Tresham?
Where is Mac Gerdts??
Rising sun is my favourite Eric Lang game just beats out Blood rage for my group
The Alliance-System is quite strange / random / arbitrary. In two groups this did not work. Blood Rage worked so far in every group (everybody plays for him-/herself and everybody is happy). And if you play RS with 3 players, one is always without an alliance and has many disadvantages. But of course, this is subjective...
The Alliance system is one of the advantages over blood rage for my group. We like the interaction. Blood rage is still bloody good though :)
How about Tim Fowers, paperback, burgled bros, now board
I love Burgle Bros!
No mention of Tigris and Euphrates??
Not until you just mentioned it! :) I've played it, and it wasn't for me, but I certainly respect Knieza's body of work.
@@jameystegmaier AHHHHHH!! Always pains me to hear when it's not for them. I just got Yellow and Yangtze at Gen Con. We'll see how it stands up
Nicki Valens is a great female game designer, but it does seem to be a field that mostly appeals to men.
Can we encourage female designers to step up their game? Or they're just being over shadowed by their male counterparts? I'm new to the hobby, so I don't know many games that has female well known designers. Great episode by the way!
Where is Sid Sackson?!
He's only designed 2 major games! :)
He designed all the major games before there were major games. ;)
Great stuff Jamey. Gender does not matter when it comes to life AND game design.
We'll have to agree to disagree on Richard Garfield. There are a quite few game designers that should have a place before him.
Lacerda. ;-)
first :) hello Jamey. cant wait for rise of fenris
Just wondering: any female designer you admire? They seem to be rare.
Absolutely! Elizabeth Hargrave, of course (we publish her game, Wingspan). Inka Brand is amazing. Juliana Patel and Ariel Rubin are wonderful escape-room-in-a-box and puzzle game desginers. I like Qwirkle from Susan McKinley Ross, Chai from Connie Kazmaier, and Point Salad from Molly Johnson. Legacy of Dragonholt by Nikki Valens is one of my favorite games to play while traveling or with just 2 players. I really enjoy the expansions to Mansions of Madness, many of which are designed by Kara Centell-Dunk. Visitor in Blackwood Grove is a brilliant game by Mary Flanagan. One of my favorite games. Scotland Yard, was designed by Dorothy Garrels. I also really like Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective, which was co-designed by Suzanne Goldberg. Cryptid is a really clever game by Ruth Veevers. Peggy Chassenet co-designed my favorite cooperative game, TIME Stories. Those are just a few; here's a great list to consider: www.elizhargrave.com/women-nb-game-designers
@@jameystegmaier Thanks a lot! That’s quite the list. A top 10 in the making, maybe? 😉 I will definitely have another look at their games on BGG.
Thanks also for the link to Elizabeth's website. I am always glad to see that diversity is taken seriously.
Best wishes from Paris!
@@dirkroettgers Indeed, I think I might make a list! :)
If it's not on purpose, is it just honest?
You did good to not consider gender, because it has no impact in your ability to design games
Second! :)