@@kobiyorke9897 it isn't happening for a while. Denis Villeneuve is moving on to different projects and is presumably waiting for the lead actor to age up a bit considering messiah takes places years later...
Timothee and Austin have almost too much chemistry for two people who are enemies and literally just met each other but in a weird way it make sense...everything is beautiful and crazy in this scene
Because they have a similar arc. They were both chosen by the Bene Gesserit and they are cousins. So they don't necessarly hate each other because they were both put in this position by external political and religious forces.
Austin's Feyd reminded me a lot of Christian Bale's Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. They're both characters that do terrible, repulsive acts on screen yet they still have this charisma and twisted charm that makes you never want to look away from them.
As he mentioned that the stabbing scene was actually a vision has seen by Paul in the ''being Harkonnen'' scene. He says ''Visions are clear now. I see possible futures. All at once. Our enemies are all around us. And in so many futures, they prevail. But i do see a way. There is a narrow way through.''. And then he sees the stabbing vision. This means he planned the pulling the knife from himself and stabbing back Feyd. I realised that detail on my second watch. Brilliant.
The hardest thing to achieve in this movie is conveying that this was a tragedy because the story has so many (super)hero-like elements. With any other director, Paul's victory would have been perceived as the "good ending" and yet Denis manages to thread this needle masterfully creating a sad, ominous epilogue
As a human being, I’m so blown away by Denis’s filmography of breathtaking & visionary epics. As a French / Acadian Canadian, I’m deeply proud that one of our own has been able to take his vision onto the world stage, and is getting such deserved recognition. I’m especially delighted hearing “t-sé” (tu sais) as a linguistic ligature throughout his fantastic oration. Félicitations, Denis. Et merçi!!
I agree that making Chani an unbeliever absolutely makes the character more tangible and dimensional for this particular movie. HOWEVER this changes Dune Messiah almost entirely in my opinion. It’s hard to be excited for an adaptation of Messiah when obviously it’s gonna be more of a ‘retelling.’ I’m cautiously optimistic but a little worried. Loved both parts of Dune, regardless of the drastic alterations
From what I've seen Denis is an absolutely massive fan of the books and has been for decades. The decision to make a change must have come with a lot of deliberation and forethought so, for better or worse, I'm sure before he even wrapped this movie he had an idea of how to address that in Messiah. So at the very least it should be cohesive.
Agreed. Paul’s tragedy isn’t losing Chani. His relationship with her in dune messiah is the absolute key to the conclusion of messiah and the beginning of Chidren of Dune. Don’t know how they are gonna spin this one
@@Jimmy-oi4go IMO she's already pregnant when she leaves at the end of Dune II, and that's what'll bring them back together in Messiah. There's a moment in Dune II where there's a shot of Alia in the womb; she says "The Kwisatz Haderach will be born in the south." And then it cuts to Paul and Chani in bed together. Might be a hint about the future Pre-Born children to come, and that Chani might already be pregnant.
@@davet9820 Oh so are they skipping the miscarriage plot there's a miscarriage plot in the original book right and I remember it's been a long long time
@claudeyaz They actually have a baby son who's killed in the Harkonnen attack on Sietch Tabr iirc. And yeah looks like they're skipping that plotline, it would have been in Dune II
To be honest, I'm still pinching myself that Denis achieved what he did with these movies. Blade Runner, Dune 1 & 2, Sicario, Arrival... There is no modern director with a comparable filmography, imo.
@@MM-jc7uv to a degree, but (personally) I think he's got a couple of blemishes in his record with Tenet and The Dark Knight Rises. I also think Interstellar is a little bit overrated and he relies upon ridiculously convoluted scripts that often don't make sense when you think about them for longer than five minutes (i.e. Inception).. Then there's his horrendous sound mixing. None of those movies are "bad"", but they aren't five-stars. That said, Oppenheimer, The Prestige and Memento are all masterpieces (imo).
@@Tomismyusername tenet was a miss for me but TDKR I still like and love the trilogy in general, albeit I’m a big Batman fan so maybe a little biased. His sound mixing was really only bad with Tenet, I haven’t had a problem in that department with any of his other movies. Interstellar is one of my all-time favourites and the movie that got me into film, and sure the third act gets a little messy but I can forgive that because of the pure emotion/spectacle of it all, and how didn’t Inception make sense? It was a pretty easy movie to understand despite its reputation and there are no major problems with the plot as far as I remember. Also Dunkirk was pretty fantastic imo and probably his most underrated movie, and all 3 movies you say are his masterpieces I completely agree with, they’re amazing.
@@MM-jc7uv The dream within a dream "logic" that relies upon the characters administering a drug to the host whilst inside a dream (?!) is nonsensical, imo. Also, its depiction of dreams in general felt quite sterile, given the possibilities of the concept. That said, the film works on an emotional level. Great performances too
Idk why but i guess i didn’t realize in the moment Paul knew he was almost going to get killed. I was picturing the bigger end game picture, but when Denis said “he knew that he had to get stabbed cause he knew the narrow path” blew my mind for a moment
yeah, he saw that exact vision when he was talking with Jessica right after he drank the water of life. this is one of those movies where you catch something new on every rewatch!
Great interview. I love these movies. Thank you for making these. They got me to reread the the book, and continue with the rest of the books. It's now my favorite book series. Can't wait for Messiah.
Don’t know how many of his movies I’ve watched but he’s shot up to being of my favorites overnight after watching these movies. IMO, perfection. Goes up there with some of the best movies I’ve ever watched and I can’t wait to see more.
3:11 "He will lose her forever" - God, I just hope Denis won't change their relationship in Dune Part Three then. Their relationship arc in 'Dune Messiah' is beautiful and I'd hate for him to change that in the movies.
Whilst I agree, it's already changed. The question now is only how, not if. In the book Messiah, Paul and Chani are together from the start, whilst they split apart at the end of the movie Part 2. I do support the change, and think it's a wonderful adaptation closer in fact to what I believe Herbert had in mind. One way to handle this going forward in the movie Messiah could essentially be to swap Chani and Irulan's roles 🤔
@@Calamarth Paul must win Chani back despite the horror he's unleashed. He remains faithful to her and never consummated with Irulan and he can finally show Chani this was the only way for a green paradise to emerge on Arrakis. Thus, he has always kept Chani and Arrakis in his heart and that wins her back.
shes going to be the one that ends it i guarantee it. Every vision paul has in part 1 and 2 is gong to come full circle in 3 and its gonna be an "oh it was right in front of us moment". Can see it coming a mile away.
@@jeffrice6745 He also says that he sees the future and she comes to understand. That does leave the door open to how their relationship changes, but her main opposition is in if actions help or hurt Fremen. That's why she was so opposed to the religion and myths because they held back her people. We know Paul won't change his feelings, but her statement was that she would always love him as long as he stayed Paul. The question is what part of Paul does she value the most - I think it's what attracted her in the first place, his compassion and wanting to do the right thing. While the path he's taking is a terrible one, if she can be shown that it is done through the same characteristics for a long goal, she will continue to love that part of him.
@@taylorburke5388 LOTR movies were not perfect to the source material either. I think people are to quick to look for this, it will only create unneeded disappointment before giving a cinematic adaptation a chance. A good movie is not dependent on being a copy and paste of the source material.
The tragic solemnity of that scene illustrates the depth of Denis Villeneuve understanding of what makes for a great tragedy. Bravo et merci Denis, et Timothé, pour ce touchant tour de force.
I think DV is so gifted, I've loved all of his work. I'm troubled though, at Chani's story arc. In the book, she's already given Paul a son. In the next book their story continues, together. He has sworn to her that he will never give Princess Irulan a child. I'm not sure how he's going to square that.
Glad these breakdowns from Denis are coming out, I have a hard time understanding some of the more drastic changes from the book in part 2 so I think I can enjoy the film more now
I really needed this explainer b/c I couldn’t wrap my head around this being a close fight. (All we’ve seen is Feyd-Rautha battle incapacitated men while Paul is battle tested.) I figured Paul was going to go right thru him, so when he was stabbed, I gasped.
@@Jimmy-oi4goit doesn’t though, because by all assumptions, Paul is dead at the end of the story. He was stabbed in a lung and stabbed through the shoulder...how is he supposed to survive that?
The most depressing thing about Dune is that even 20k years in the future, the fate of humanity comes down to a knife fight. The bottom line is, for all the careful genetic manipulation and advancement of human achievements, it's just the same old caveman shit.
Paul wins the fight in both the movies and the book, therefore winning the right to be Emperor, but I've always wondered what would have happened if Paul had been killed instead. Would the Fremen have accepted the Emperor retaining his throne, as per the traditional rules of trial by combat, and worked out some sort of peace treaty or would they have just massacred every prisoner in the room and gone on to defend Dune against the armies of Great Houses anyway?
I think the jihad was destined either way. The way forward that Paul sees, his Golden Path, is the only way that humanity gets out alive in the end, even though it takes millennia to come to fruition. That’s my understanding at least.
He said he is doing his interpretation to go with his story in another interview I saw on UTube so I don’t think we will get a softer more loving Chani but she has to have the twins & there is Alyia big cast members so who knows where theory goes maybe a combination of Messiah v& Children of Dune?
This movie just didn't work for me. Looked great and had a decent atmosphere, but felt like the dialogue was clumsy, even extremely cheesy at times, exposition was fairly tiring, and pacing was all over the place. It was great to see this on the big screen for sure, but I'm a little bit baffled by how highly it's rated just as a movie overall.
So from what Denis spoiled here about Paul's and Chani's conflict, she's not coming back to him in Messiah. She's probably already pregnant with twins by the time she leaves at the end of Part 2, and her own conflict will be leading a resistance against the emperor while carrying his offspring
- the entire final sequence of Part two is set up to break Chani's heart on every level, but its not like this is some irreversible split; it's just an unavoidable moment she has to go through and grapple with. In fact, from Paul's perspective, it might literally be safer for her to remove herself while the literal galactic war ensues - The movie includes a line of Paul after his visions clear up saying "she will come to understand, I've seen it" - Villeneuve emphasizes that seeing Paul from Chani's perspective in the last third was important - I'm somewhat convinced that Messiah will let the audience get to understand Paul by watching Chani get to understand him I don't see it going down that far into the fan-fiction rabbit hole as some make it out to be to be honest...
@@dball_94 Denis says, "He knows he will lose her forever, this is the tragedy of Paul". He says this about a scene that happens after Paul told his mother that Chani would come to understand his decision; his latest actions alienated her even further, so why would I be wrong not to trust the director's narration of Paul's POV, when Paul sees the future?
@@Transformers217 he said that about him drinking the water of life, not about him announcing a political marriage with another woman. Paul sees future clearly now but that future changes with each new choice he makes. Anyways, there's no point arguing since they're still in the process of writing the script. It can go any way imaginable from here
it's getting kinda boring, with all these positivity and "hardworkness" talk. ye aight we know the whole cast gave their everything to see this movie best our expectations. But, I'd prefer Denis' personal opinions and insights in accordance to technicalities and the dune universe itself, rather than this: cast was incredible and worked so haaaard. ye ye man we know, u said it 100 times as well as other directors about their cast and etc.
What about Lady Jessica, the Bene Gesserit, telling Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam that she picked the wrong ‘side’? Or what about Irulan, the Bene Gesserit, staring like a deer in headlights when Paul asks for her hand in marriage instead of being the one to convince her father it’s a good idea, as she could keep tabs on him and essentially be a Corrino spy?
I love basically everything he’s done with these films and this universe. EXCEPT his decision to make Chani resent Paul for choosing the golden path. Definitely not how it was in the books. She was ride or die no matter what and loved him immensely.
I agree this angry activist Chani doesn’t act like she loves him imo I didn’t care for her character I felt Z was always holding back w/Timmy in their scenes he was great imo he carried the whole movie both of them
The more you watch it, the more characters you see doing stupid things, like Irulan staring like a deer in headlights when Paul asks for her hand and her and Chani grilling each other as if they’re modern teen girls fighting over the same guy. In the books, Irulan convinced her father to let Paul marry her; as a Bene Gesserit, she knew it would be the best way to keep tabs on him.
The Chani situation is going to be so awkward in Messiah. She’s been set up for failure as they make her a selfish character without backing Paul 100% no matter the situation he was clearly in.
She goes from hating outsiders, knowing the Bene Gesserit seeded religion on Arrakis to control Fremen, and knowing Paul’s the son of a BG, to sleeping with that BG’s son who’s telling her he sees himself leading her people into a jihad…um what?
Yeah... The second book goes in a slightly different direction... Let's just say that channi leaving Paul is going to be the least of everyone's worries
It's really not like that. She was upset that the man she loves just arranged his own marriage to a stranger. Her running off heartbroken is a normal, reasonable, and human response, and is not a story-breaking act. She can absolutely come back from it
I understand why he changed Chani, but it didn’t work. Perhaps if I didn’t read the books I would feel different but changing Chani to be an unbeliever just soured the movie for me. It just reaffirmed the reality that Dune is truly unfilmable.
All respect to Villeneuve's vision, even before Dune. But this stuff about Chani griping all the time about the prophecy behind her dude. . .well, it's just bad motivation. I.e. If she thought Paul was a fraud this whole time, or was coming up through the ranks because of fraudulent myths, than she would not want to fight for him, and she definitely wouldn't love him so much. Don't believe me? Go tell a girl You're Her Chosen One. . .see how that works out for you.
Why is he quitting the project two books in??? Seems like something must have happened for him to take on such a project (easily has more established source material than LOTR, GoT, Star Wars - this was definitely pitched as a 10-20 year project to him. He's come so close. He takes such a small view on such massive actions to give a very visceral and down to earth feel, but you miss all the complex justified political causes and effects at play that form the world of Dune in the first place. It's man and reality coming to terms with one another. It's an extraordinarily complex journey, and it doesn't shy away from the faults and flaws of our heros and great people's. Paul is no hero, but is certainly thrust forward as such. None of this is really explored in the movies though.
Isn’t this whole breakdown and the tragedy of Paul about that? He’s committing a grave transgression against the love of his life to walk the path of survival. Subjugating an entire people to fight strangers off world because they believe him to be their saviour. There’s reluctance in him at the end. He didn’t want to be funnelled into this fate but he had no choice. It’s not communicated as well as the books but that’d be impossible. Plus this theme is more heavily touched upon with Leto the second.
Of course it feels that way. It's setting up the next film. Part One felt the same but in the end he does follow his path into the desert. In Part Two he does avenge his father and become Emperor Paul Maud'Dib as he intended, but that sets up Messiah. I suspect Messiah will be more conclusive but it still needs to make room for another director to continue the story if they choose. I can't wait to see where Denis takes us.
Don't apologize. This was by design. The end of Dune is not supposed to feel like the death star trench run followed by the reward ceremony. It is a complex and nuance fight for love, revenge and the survival of the human race, and nobody is the winner here (not even paul). You are not supposed to be happy that Paul becomes emperor of the Universe.
No, it doesn't. It's an extraordinary story and an extraordinary film. Try watching it again from the start. The story is told in the dialogue so you have to pay attention to this type of film.
God I Can’t Wait for Dune: Messiah
Bro, I’m going to explode with excitement when that trailer drops
@@kobiyorke9897 it isn't happening for a while. Denis Villeneuve is moving on to different projects and is presumably waiting for the lead actor to age up a bit considering messiah takes places years later...
@@nepntzerZerthat’s not true at all. At least there’s morning official saying this. Most places say pre-production begins in 2025.
@@TheJordanK pre-production can take years.
If he knocks it out with Messiah I could see liking this trilogy more than LOTR. Which is quite literally the highest bar you can achieve.
Timothee and Austin have almost too much chemistry for two people who are enemies and literally just met each other but in a weird way it make sense...everything is beautiful and crazy in this scene
The enemies to lovers arc that fanfict writers are keeping alive.
Because they have a similar arc. They were both chosen by the Bene Gesserit and they are cousins. So they don't necessarly hate each other because they were both put in this position by external political and religious forces.
Austin's Feyd reminded me a lot of Christian Bale's Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. They're both characters that do terrible, repulsive acts on screen yet they still have this charisma and twisted charm that makes you never want to look away from them.
As he mentioned that the stabbing scene was actually a vision has seen by Paul in the ''being Harkonnen'' scene. He says ''Visions are clear now. I see possible futures. All at once. Our enemies are all around us. And in so many futures, they prevail. But i do see a way. There is a narrow way through.''. And then he sees the stabbing vision. This means he planned the pulling the knife from himself and stabbing back Feyd. I realised that detail on my second watch. Brilliant.
Me too! The second viewing was much more enjoyable to me cause I could see the pieces being woven together.
It still gives you shivers Mr. Villeneuve, and we can hear it in your voice. You created sooo many scenes in this movie that are just magical.
The hardest thing to achieve in this movie is conveying that this was a tragedy because the story has so many (super)hero-like elements.
With any other director, Paul's victory would have been perceived as the "good ending" and yet Denis manages to thread this needle masterfully creating a sad, ominous epilogue
Better than Herbert did, at least in my opinion.
Great breakdown! Denis Villeneuve is a legend
As a human being, I’m so blown away by Denis’s filmography of breathtaking & visionary epics. As a French / Acadian Canadian, I’m deeply proud that one of our own has been able to take his vision onto the world stage, and is getting such deserved recognition.
I’m especially delighted hearing “t-sé” (tu sais) as a linguistic ligature throughout his fantastic oration.
Félicitations, Denis. Et merçi!!
Hahaha, I’m also a big fan of the « tsé », as a french canadian.
A phenomenal scene from a phenomenal film. Thank you, Denis Villeneuve (and the team), for giving us this masterpiece ❤
I agree that making Chani an unbeliever absolutely makes the character more tangible and dimensional for this particular movie. HOWEVER this changes Dune Messiah almost entirely in my opinion. It’s hard to be excited for an adaptation of Messiah when obviously it’s gonna be more of a ‘retelling.’ I’m cautiously optimistic but a little worried. Loved both parts of Dune, regardless of the drastic alterations
From what I've seen Denis is an absolutely massive fan of the books and has been for decades. The decision to make a change must have come with a lot of deliberation and forethought so, for better or worse, I'm sure before he even wrapped this movie he had an idea of how to address that in Messiah. So at the very least it should be cohesive.
Agreed. Paul’s tragedy isn’t losing Chani. His relationship with her in dune messiah is the absolute key to the conclusion of messiah and the beginning of Chidren of Dune. Don’t know how they are gonna spin this one
@@Jimmy-oi4go IMO she's already pregnant when she leaves at the end of Dune II, and that's what'll bring them back together in Messiah. There's a moment in Dune II where there's a shot of Alia in the womb; she says "The Kwisatz Haderach will be born in the south." And then it cuts to Paul and Chani in bed together. Might be a hint about the future Pre-Born children to come, and that Chani might already be pregnant.
@@davet9820 Oh so are they skipping the miscarriage plot there's a miscarriage plot in the original book right and I remember it's been a long long time
@claudeyaz They actually have a baby son who's killed in the Harkonnen attack on Sietch Tabr iirc. And yeah looks like they're skipping that plotline, it would have been in Dune II
Paul kills Feyd with nearly the same move Gurney uses on him in the training scene from the first film.
Paul also mills Feyd w the same move Feyd uses on the Atredies solider in the arena.
To be honest, I'm still pinching myself that Denis achieved what he did with these movies. Blade Runner, Dune 1 & 2, Sicario, Arrival...
There is no modern director with a comparable filmography, imo.
Prisoners, Incendies, Enemy…some of his best movies!
Nolan
@@MM-jc7uv to a degree, but (personally) I think he's got a couple of blemishes in his record with Tenet and The Dark Knight Rises. I also think Interstellar is a little bit overrated and he relies upon ridiculously convoluted scripts that often don't make sense when you think about them for longer than five minutes (i.e. Inception).. Then there's his horrendous sound mixing.
None of those movies are "bad"", but they aren't five-stars.
That said, Oppenheimer, The Prestige and Memento are all masterpieces (imo).
@@Tomismyusername tenet was a miss for me but TDKR I still like and love the trilogy in general, albeit I’m a big Batman fan so maybe a little biased. His sound mixing was really only bad with Tenet, I haven’t had a problem in that department with any of his other movies. Interstellar is one of my all-time favourites and the movie that got me into film, and sure the third act gets a little messy but I can forgive that because of the pure emotion/spectacle of it all, and how didn’t Inception make sense? It was a pretty easy movie to understand despite its reputation and there are no major problems with the plot as far as I remember. Also Dunkirk was pretty fantastic imo and probably his most underrated movie, and all 3 movies you say are his masterpieces I completely agree with, they’re amazing.
@@MM-jc7uv The dream within a dream "logic" that relies upon the characters administering a drug to the host whilst inside a dream (?!) is nonsensical, imo. Also, its depiction of dreams in general felt quite sterile, given the possibilities of the concept. That said, the film works on an emotional level. Great performances too
*SILENCE* absolute chills
Idk why but i guess i didn’t realize in the moment Paul knew he was almost going to get killed. I was picturing the bigger end game picture, but when Denis said “he knew that he had to get stabbed cause he knew the narrow path” blew my mind for a moment
yeah, he saw that exact vision when he was talking with Jessica right after he drank the water of life. this is one of those movies where you catch something new on every rewatch!
I re watch dune 1-2 and the final scene many times
Ditto 🌌
Best movie of the year for sure, and easily the best cinema experience I’ve ever had
What a legend
Oscar campaign turned up to 11
Dune Part 2 deserves all the Oscars.
One of the greatest scenes in cinema history
Great interview. I love these movies. Thank you for making these. They got me to reread the the book, and continue with the rest of the books. It's now my favorite book series. Can't wait for Messiah.
An artist truly passionate about their craft. Thank you Denis for creating magic
Don’t know how many of his movies I’ve watched but he’s shot up to being of my favorites overnight after watching these movies. IMO, perfection. Goes up there with some of the best movies I’ve ever watched and I can’t wait to see more.
3:11 "He will lose her forever" - God, I just hope Denis won't change their relationship in Dune Part Three then. Their relationship arc in 'Dune Messiah' is beautiful and I'd hate for him to change that in the movies.
Whilst I agree, it's already changed. The question now is only how, not if. In the book Messiah, Paul and Chani are together from the start, whilst they split apart at the end of the movie Part 2. I do support the change, and think it's a wonderful adaptation closer in fact to what I believe Herbert had in mind. One way to handle this going forward in the movie Messiah could essentially be to swap Chani and Irulan's roles 🤔
@@Calamarth Paul must win Chani back despite the horror he's unleashed. He remains faithful to her and never consummated with Irulan and he can finally show Chani this was the only way for a green paradise to emerge on Arrakis. Thus, he has always kept Chani and Arrakis in his heart and that wins her back.
shes going to be the one that ends it i guarantee it. Every vision paul has in part 1 and 2 is gong to come full circle in 3 and its gonna be an "oh it was right in front of us moment". Can see it coming a mile away.
He already has😞 . Definitely his only bad decision he’s made making these movies
@@jeffrice6745 He also says that he sees the future and she comes to understand. That does leave the door open to how their relationship changes, but her main opposition is in if actions help or hurt Fremen. That's why she was so opposed to the religion and myths because they held back her people. We know Paul won't change his feelings, but her statement was that she would always love him as long as he stayed Paul. The question is what part of Paul does she value the most - I think it's what attracted her in the first place, his compassion and wanting to do the right thing. While the path he's taking is a terrible one, if she can be shown that it is done through the same characteristics for a long goal, she will continue to love that part of him.
Dune Part 2 is a masterpiece! This is the sci-fi version of Lord of the Rings!
It had the potential but some poor casting and straying from source material has ruined that chance. But it is still really good
@@taylorburke5388poor casting?
It's very good, but not that good. Plus they need to finish the story before being compared to one of the greatest works in film of all time.
@@taylorburke5388 LOTR movies were not perfect to the source material either. I think people are to quick to look for this, it will only create unneeded disappointment before giving a cinematic adaptation a chance. A good movie is not dependent on being a copy and paste of the source material.
Dune Part 2 is great but its not a perfect masterpiece like The Lord of the Rings.
incredible movie, proud director from Québec
The tragic solemnity of that scene illustrates the depth of Denis Villeneuve understanding of what makes for a great tragedy. Bravo et merci Denis, et Timothé, pour ce touchant tour de force.
His Master's Voice - Gratitude
Great director...
Denis Villeneuve, Greig Fraser, Hans Zimmer 👏👏👏👏
I think DV is so gifted, I've loved all of his work. I'm troubled though, at Chani's story arc. In the book, she's already given Paul a son. In the next book their story continues, together. He has sworn to her that he will never give Princess Irulan a child. I'm not sure how he's going to square that.
pretty sure everyone noticed by now(i hope) that all the fights in part 1 and 2 mirror each other and the last fight is every fight combined in one.
He’s the best at breaking down his movies.
"May thy sword chip and shatter." 😏
Knife
It's "may thy BLADE chip and shatter " !!!
@@timmccarthy6335 Knife, for sure, seen that scene dozens of times
Glad these breakdowns from Denis are coming out, I have a hard time understanding some of the more drastic changes from the book in part 2 so I think I can enjoy the film more now
Denis is an absolute treasure
Feyd should've been in the movie more. He was in it for like 9 minutes.
Sometimes we best enjoy something when we have it for only a moment.
@JamesVideoCollection Or not. What if the entire Dune film was only 9 mins.
Feyd was literally only in about 3 chapters in the whole book. If anything, he got a far more interesting character arc in this one
What I would give to see Villeneuve make a Mass Effect film.
I really needed this explainer b/c I couldn’t wrap my head around this being a close fight. (All we’ve seen is Feyd-Rautha battle incapacitated men while Paul is battle tested.) I figured Paul was going to go right thru him, so when he was stabbed, I gasped.
And tbf, Paul makes easy work of Feyd in the book. But this definitely made for a more entertaining and emotional scene
@@Jimmy-oi4goit doesn’t though, because by all assumptions, Paul is dead at the end of the story. He was stabbed in a lung and stabbed through the shoulder...how is he supposed to survive that?
@@notgonnapay being stabbed in the lung doesn’t necessarily kill you. It is survivable
@@notgonnapay Bene Gesserit training to fast heal, same thing that fights the poison when they drink the Water of Life.
@@rhaedas9085 Bene Gesserit make the water of life by manipulating the chemicals of the poison into something safe to drink.
The most depressing thing about Dune is that even 20k years in the future, the fate of humanity comes down to a knife fight. The bottom line is, for all the careful genetic manipulation and advancement of human achievements, it's just the same old caveman shit.
when you see Austin butler you will be taking a second glance to ensure the Cronenberg presence is charged
what if… this scene had taken place in the palace courtyard, in front of the burnt palm trees?
5:00 Villeneuve on Chalamet's aura
Basically!! We need the directors Cut!
Paul wins the fight in both the movies and the book, therefore winning the right to be Emperor, but I've always wondered what would have happened if Paul had been killed instead. Would the Fremen have accepted the Emperor retaining his throne, as per the traditional rules of trial by combat, and worked out some sort of peace treaty or would they have just massacred every prisoner in the room and gone on to defend Dune against the armies of Great Houses anyway?
I think the jihad was destined either way. The way forward that Paul sees, his Golden Path, is the only way that humanity gets out alive in the end, even though it takes millennia to come to fruition. That’s my understanding at least.
To paraphrase Deni: "Frank Herbert wrote Chani wrong."
Part 3s going to be massively different to the book unless they course correct with Chani.
He said he is doing his interpretation to go with his story in another interview I saw on UTube so I don’t think we will get a softer more loving Chani but she has to have the twins & there is Alyia big cast members so who knows where theory goes maybe a combination of Messiah v& Children of Dune?
I legit laughed out loud when Paul got stabbed.
Anxiety laugh ahahahah
Dune Lite. When people compare your Dune film to Star Wars, you know you’ve made a mistake.
This movie just didn't work for me. Looked great and had a decent atmosphere, but felt like the dialogue was clumsy, even extremely cheesy at times, exposition was fairly tiring, and pacing was all over the place. It was great to see this on the big screen for sure, but I'm a little bit baffled by how highly it's rated just as a movie overall.
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So from what Denis spoiled here about Paul's and Chani's conflict, she's not coming back to him in Messiah. She's probably already pregnant with twins by the time she leaves at the end of Part 2, and her own conflict will be leading a resistance against the emperor while carrying his offspring
- the entire final sequence of Part two is set up to break Chani's heart on every level, but its not like this is some irreversible split; it's just an unavoidable moment she has to go through and grapple with. In fact, from Paul's perspective, it might literally be safer for her to remove herself while the literal galactic war ensues
- The movie includes a line of Paul after his visions clear up saying "she will come to understand, I've seen it"
- Villeneuve emphasizes that seeing Paul from Chani's perspective in the last third was important - I'm somewhat convinced that Messiah will let the audience get to understand Paul by watching Chani get to understand him
I don't see it going down that far into the fan-fiction rabbit hole as some make it out to be to be honest...
He didn't spoil anything about Messiah, you just came to that conclusion yourself based off inconclusive evidence
@@dball_94 Denis says, "He knows he will lose her forever, this is the tragedy of Paul". He says this about a scene that happens after Paul told his mother that Chani would come to understand his decision; his latest actions alienated her even further, so why would I be wrong not to trust the director's narration of Paul's POV, when Paul sees the future?
@@StayWeird- Because Paul also said that Chani would eventually come around.
@@Transformers217 he said that about him drinking the water of life, not about him announcing a political marriage with another woman. Paul sees future clearly now but that future changes with each new choice he makes.
Anyways, there's no point arguing since they're still in the process of writing the script. It can go any way imaginable from here
it's getting kinda boring, with all these positivity and "hardworkness" talk.
ye aight we know the whole cast gave their everything to see this movie best our expectations.
But, I'd prefer Denis' personal opinions and insights in accordance to technicalities and the dune universe itself, rather than this: cast was incredible and worked so haaaard. ye ye man we know, u said it 100 times as well as other directors about their cast and etc.
Not sure it can be helped but knowing the outcome was ahead of time made it anti-climatic
Chani storming out after Paul arranges his marriage to Irulan is the silliest part of either movie 😑
What about Lady Jessica, the Bene Gesserit, telling Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam that she picked the wrong ‘side’?
Or what about Irulan, the Bene Gesserit, staring like a deer in headlights when Paul asks for her hand in marriage instead of being the one to convince her father it’s a good idea, as she could keep tabs on him and essentially be a Corrino spy?
I love basically everything he’s done with these films and this universe. EXCEPT his decision to make Chani resent Paul for choosing the golden path. Definitely not how it was in the books. She was ride or die no matter what and loved him immensely.
I agree this angry activist Chani doesn’t act like she loves him imo I didn’t care for her character I felt Z was always holding back w/Timmy in their scenes he was great imo he carried the whole movie both of them
The more you watch it, the more characters you see doing stupid things, like Irulan staring like a deer in headlights when Paul asks for her hand and her and Chani grilling each other as if they’re modern teen girls fighting over the same guy.
In the books, Irulan convinced her father to let Paul marry her; as a Bene Gesserit, she knew it would be the best way to keep tabs on him.
The Chani situation is going to be so awkward in Messiah. She’s been set up for failure as they make her a selfish character without backing Paul 100% no matter the situation he was clearly in.
She goes from hating outsiders, knowing the Bene Gesserit seeded religion on Arrakis to control Fremen, and knowing Paul’s the son of a BG, to sleeping with that BG’s son who’s telling her he sees himself leading her people into a jihad…um what?
Chani getting ready to girlboss the entire Dune universe in Messiah.
Probably true, unfortunately. More MODERN AUDIENCE garbage.
Yeah... The second book goes in a slightly different direction...
Let's just say that channi leaving Paul is going to be the least of everyone's worries
It's really not like that. She was upset that the man she loves just arranged his own marriage to a stranger.
Her running off heartbroken is a normal, reasonable, and human response, and is not a story-breaking act. She can absolutely come back from it
I understand why he changed Chani, but it didn’t work. Perhaps if I didn’t read the books I would feel different but changing Chani to be an unbeliever just soured the movie for me. It just reaffirmed the reality that Dune is truly unfilmable.
Paul will be redeemed by Chani in Messiah. It will be perfection.
The background music was distracting and took away from the gravity of Denis's words
All respect to Villeneuve's vision, even before Dune.
But this stuff about Chani griping all the time about the prophecy behind her dude. . .well, it's just bad motivation.
I.e. If she thought Paul was a fraud this whole time, or was coming up through the ranks because of fraudulent myths, than she would not want to fight for him, and she definitely wouldn't love him so much.
Don't believe me? Go tell a girl You're Her Chosen One. . .see how that works out for you.
Everything is great except emperor. He doesn’t look & feel like an emperor.
Walken is to frail to be a threat
Why is he quitting the project two books in??? Seems like something must have happened for him to take on such a project (easily has more established source material than LOTR, GoT, Star Wars - this was definitely pitched as a 10-20 year project to him. He's come so close. He takes such a small view on such massive actions to give a very visceral and down to earth feel, but you miss all the complex justified political causes and effects at play that form the world of Dune in the first place. It's man and reality coming to terms with one another. It's an extraordinarily complex journey, and it doesn't shy away from the faults and flaws of our heros and great people's. Paul is no hero, but is certainly thrust forward as such. None of this is really explored in the movies though.
Isn’t this whole breakdown and the tragedy of Paul about that? He’s committing a grave transgression against the love of his life to walk the path of survival. Subjugating an entire people to fight strangers off world because they believe him to be their saviour. There’s reluctance in him at the end. He didn’t want to be funnelled into this fate but he had no choice. It’s not communicated as well as the books but that’d be impossible. Plus this theme is more heavily touched upon with Leto the second.
it s so sad that they decided to make the film scenes in one of the most FAR RIGHT and BIG on FASCISM country of the 2024 ... Hungary.
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Originally found this scene to be incredibly anti-climatic but after listening to deni explanation… still incredibly anti-climatic. Sorry.
Of course it feels that way. It's setting up the next film. Part One felt the same but in the end he does follow his path into the desert. In Part Two he does avenge his father and become Emperor Paul Maud'Dib as he intended, but that sets up Messiah. I suspect Messiah will be more conclusive but it still needs to make room for another director to continue the story if they choose. I can't wait to see where Denis takes us.
Don't apologize. This was by design. The end of Dune is not supposed to feel like the death star trench run followed by the reward ceremony. It is a complex and nuance fight for love, revenge and the survival of the human race, and nobody is the winner here (not even paul). You are not supposed to be happy that Paul becomes emperor of the Universe.
Also, drugs.
@@25icc07 Well said 👏
Didn't ask him why he ruined Stilgar huh
Dune sucks.
No, it doesn't. It's an extraordinary story and an extraordinary film. Try watching it again from the start. The story is told in the dialogue so you have to pay attention to this type of film.
Me when My attention span is 2.3 seconds and I have to engage with a actually theme instead ld disney CGI