Hard to say this as an absolute statement. Not taking anything from BMW and their achievements, but Mercedes-Benz has produced some of the best inline-6 engines too, like the gas-powered M103, M104...and even the diesel OM606.
Currently have a F30 330d with a N57 making 220kw and 700Nm with a downpipe and ecu remap only. Its the best of both worlds, pulls like a train and still gets 42mpg on the highway.
I have a 2014 535d xdrive with an n57 big turbo making 400hp and 650tq and trans tune. Its crazy fun and decent fast for the street. It will beat 98% of the cars at a light lmao.
BMW is my favorite European car company! Their high-revving, spirited sounds are unforgettable, and on top of that they’re capable of making great power 💪🏼 yes some engines have an achilles heel, namely rod bearings but I’d rather remove an oil pan and get that job done in a day than drop an engine to replace camshafts “per maintenance” looking at you Porsche lol but jokes aside, wether they’re 4, 6, 8 or more cylinders, BMW makes some of the best engines ever! 🚗💨
Same. There is just a magic about them. I dont know what it is, but hearing about BMW engine tech makes me excited, even if other companies have the same. Just keep up with preventative maintenance and they are not even that bad in reliability. Currently rocking a N52 (last huzzah of the N/A I6s) and adore it.
I’ll stick with my LS…. I’d rather not have coolant pissing out of my heads, spinning rod bearings, overheating, and many more problems. Keep your hitler sled.
@@austinnafziger4159n52 is such a great engine for everything. Valvetronic allows for great fuel efficiency, obviously the reliability of it, the linear power band, the fun of revving it out, and now there are awesome mods for it as well.
S58 definetly better and cheaper to tune than 2JZ that needs head work for 1000+ number that all the fan boys praise. B58 is also something special and in my opinion at the same level of reliability with the S55.
@@rgms573 it's sadly only available for the 5 and 7 series along with the suv's also. Hopefully we'll see them in the other cars along with the supra also later down the line.
Under the category of respect your elders, I love the 3.6l S38 in my 1989 BMW, individual throttle bodies, and an variable length intake plenum. This thing is a smooth beast!
I have a 2014 535d xdrive with an n57 lci big turbo making 400hp and 650tq and trans tune. Its crazy fun and decent fast for the street. It will beat 98% of the cars at a light lmao. Usa model that comes single turbo.
I had a 1986 D reg BMW 635Csi with the Motronic ignition and fuel system brain (instead of separate ignition and fuel brains in earlier cars) that gave it more HP and economy, and I loved that car which I named Butterfly. She was a graceful lady that turned heads, but she could pick up her skirt and run if needed 🥰
M88 engine is beast. I have 635 with a swap racing-ish M88( dry sump and DOHC) twin turbo( with chargercooler before intake) and a manual zf6. The original engine and transmission are on crate without all liquids and completely sealed
m30 was made way before m20. m20 replaced the 2.5 and 2.8 versions in 1977, it and was just lighter and smaller engine for 3series than m30 .the m20 was replaced by m50 and m30 with m60 v8. 1:38
Apparently the S54 went with an iron block to keep thr strength for an 8k plus redline 340hp engine. Most high performance cars had iron blocks up until then, including the 2JZ and the RB26
You forgot to mention the last, best (non-M) naturally aspirated BMW inline-6 sold in America: the N52. With an aluminum/magnesium alloy engine block, full bedplate, aluminum head, double-Vanos, Valvetronic, variable intake runners (3-stage intake manifold). Also, far more reliable than the N54/N55. Good for 268HP and 232 lb/ft in the highest-performance factory version (plus it weighs a good 125 lbs less than the S54).
@@aminemohamed1717 I have a 2014 535d xdrive with an n57 big turbo making 400hp and 650tq and trans tune. Its crazy fun and decent fast for the street. It will beat 98% of the cars at a light lmao.
3:38 I remember someone said why BMW on American market is detuned is because crappy fuel. I don't know is it true or not but that's actually make sense if it's true. Bmw doesn't want their engine blow on American market because the fuel is bad. That will lead to bad reputation.
On some engines yes. They pulled diesels in USA due to shitty fuel and emissions testing. Also, high sulfur gas has kept some advanced engines like the n53 from coming here
There are significant differences between aircraft engines and automotive designs, that might explain why there have been so few really successful transfers of automotive engines into airplanes. Airplanes ask their engines to develop 100% of rated power for about the first five minutes of flight and do that with rock solid reliability. Well maybe a race car engine can do this but most race cars start each race with a newly rebuilt engine while even the engines in fighter planes are expected to go 750 hours or more before overhaul, and 2000 hours between overhauls is not unusual for the rest of the fleet. I'm talking about piston engines here. After takeoff aircraft engines are worked like truck and industrial engines putting out 65 to 75% of rated power during most of the remaining flight time. Low horsepower per unit displacement can be explained by rpm limitations, the 360 ci engine in my plane develops about 180 hp, two cubic inches per hp, about what a 180 ci engine in a car can do, the Lycoming does it at 2700 rpms not 5500 or more. In most planes the propellor is bolted directly to the engine with the prop turning at crankshaft speed and there is the problem, the tip of a six foot prop is nearing transonic speed at 2700 rpm and that is very noisy and inefficient in terms of developing thrust. Planes with longer props are going to need to turn slower. Some planes use geared engines but the heavy duty gearboxes add weight and are another factor in overall reliability and they are expensive. It is kind of interesting that almost all heavy duty over the road trucks use the straight six design and it is a common choice for industrial applications.
The difference is compression, a bit higher in amg, and a turbo which is close to a MGU-K from F1. Let’s say, Amg inline six follow all rulebook from diesel i-6
BMW is definitely the king of inline six engines now that no one else wants to build them but all the plastic they surround it with kill it's reliability . I think most companies decided that an inline 6 isn't compact enough plus a V6 can be shared with front wheel drive models. a V6 in RWD configuration keeps the weight closer to the firewall for better weight balance. the 3.7 V6 in the Nissan 370Z Nismo and Infiniti G37 IPL come with 350hp stock than you have the GTR's 3.8 which is a monster. I believe Porsche has the most powerful naturally aspirated 6 cylinders at the moment.
We are supposed to follow all the varients, and keep track of the numbers, and the assurances that this or that model was ‘the best/great improvement over’ the previous engine described…OK, by how much? Precious little HP/torque figures are quoted, to demonstate exactly how large the improvement was……
The Jeep 4.0/4.2 is proven to be reliable. Easy power after forced induction and/or stroked. Same with the Ford 300. Seeing a lot of crazy Forced Induction 300 builds nowadays. Same with the Vortec 4.2l.
Hail to BMW for sticking with the inline 6. I've owned over a dozen. However, the reliability quickly degraded in the past dozen years. Stupid engineering decisions, electric water pumps, plastic clutch pedal (e60), turbo and AWD challenges in the engine bay with the outdated slant configuration, plastic 'wear item' valve covers that cost more that the (recyclable) metal ones, leaking upper oil pan gaskets that require dropping the subframe. The B58 has been out for some time now. Seems like an improvement over N54 and N55. BMW may continue to be a top choice for performance minded enthusiasts. I get it. But I've left the fold after ~40 years of BMW ownership.
Late to the party, i could argue ford. No im not a fan boy yes bmw has had more total but ford has had more than 1 good i6. The 300 is amazing and still has a decent aftermarket. The Barra, it it were not a aus only engine it would give the coyote and ls a run for most swaps.
I usually watch TH-cam videos at 1.25 speed, as they move ever so slightly slowly…but this one? I am incentivized to watch it at .75 or even .5 speed…I absolutely could not keep up with all the ‘S52’ vs ‘M50’ (or whatever) varients being spewed out at machine gun pace…
Even without pumping things up most sixes could produce more power with better manifolds (both in and out), a little more carburation, higher compression, and better timing. I bet that Jeep 6 could do over 200 hp and still make so good low end torque. And still be mechanically rather simple. @@darth--chungus1765
BMW had great inline 6 motors. That said the modern ones are shit! Power does not matter if it is not durable, reliable and afforadable to repair. Once out of warranty BMW and Daimler products are money pits. They use cheap fastners and too much plastic. The blocks are not easily rebuildable. I lived in Germany 1979-1991 and apprenticed to be an automotive Technician. I hot-rodded the hell out of I6's especially BMW's. Toyota's 1FZFE and the 2JZ have to be the best designed I6's. The Ford Bara is also Iconic.
They're wonderful when everything's working, but if you plan on owning one with over 100k miles it better have been religiously maintained and you better be able to do your own repairs and/or have a thick wallet.
Someone has never heard a company called Cummins, the king of online 6 cylinders. Those motors are basically indestructible especially the 5.9 with the p pump.
I think it's because he was talking about petrol engine and not the diesel. But I don't know. If it's not then it's just an opinion from him and I respect that, you have your own opinion about inline six and so do he. But yeah, maybe he was talking about the petrol engine.
Having a history with inline sixes does not make them the best inline 6 manufacturer The reliability standpoint of all of their inline 6 engines are complete trash compared to JDM counterparts and even the Ford barra. And while they are keeping the inline six dream alive I would not call them the best or the king.
Is BMW the king of inline-six engines? 👀
Feelings shift towards no after a couple years of maintenance
No
S38 is a good one👌
Hard to say this as an absolute statement.
Not taking anything from BMW and their achievements, but Mercedes-Benz has produced some of the best inline-6 engines too, like the gas-powered M103, M104...and even the diesel OM606.
@@georgewhite1630because you had a n54 lol
B58 and s58 are based off of the B57 diesel block, which was the quad turbo monster.
and rightfully so , because N57 and B57 are incredible straight six diesel turbo engines...
Currently have a F30 330d with a N57 making 220kw and 700Nm with a downpipe and ecu remap only. Its the best of both worlds, pulls like a train and still gets 42mpg on the highway.
Just got myself a 635d and I must say after, I have lots of fast cars in my life I must say the n57 twin turbo diesel ticks all the boxes for me
I have a 2014 535d xdrive with an n57 big turbo making 400hp and 650tq and trans tune. Its crazy fun and decent fast for the street. It will beat 98% of the cars at a light lmao.
Guys i have e92 330d with n57 almost 300k even timing chain still good and perform perfectly as speed or fuel i v pushed it to 260kmh
BMW is my favorite European car company! Their high-revving, spirited sounds are unforgettable, and on top of that they’re capable of making great power 💪🏼 yes some engines have an achilles heel, namely rod bearings but I’d rather remove an oil pan and get that job done in a day than drop an engine to replace camshafts “per maintenance” looking at you Porsche lol but jokes aside, wether they’re 4, 6, 8 or more cylinders, BMW makes some of the best engines ever! 🚗💨
Same. There is just a magic about them. I dont know what it is, but hearing about BMW engine tech makes me excited, even if other companies have the same. Just keep up with preventative maintenance and they are not even that bad in reliability. Currently rocking a N52 (last huzzah of the N/A I6s) and adore it.
I’ll stick with my LS…. I’d rather not have coolant pissing out of my heads, spinning rod bearings, overheating, and many more problems. Keep your hitler sled.
@@austinnafziger4159n52 is such a great engine for everything. Valvetronic allows for great fuel efficiency, obviously the reliability of it, the linear power band, the fun of revving it out, and now there are awesome mods for it as well.
S58 definetly better and cheaper to tune than 2JZ that needs head work for 1000+ number that all the fan boys praise. B58 is also something special and in my opinion at the same level of reliability with the S55.
Even b58 is a good-ass engine, let alone its M-version
I heard the latest B58 revision comes with port and direct injection and the VANOS is electric controlled now.
@@rgms573 it's sadly only available for the 5 and 7 series along with the suv's also. Hopefully we'll see them in the other cars along with the supra also later down the line.
Yes, s58 is king. B58 is overrated and only got its following from the Supra imo
@@300blkaacoverated? People hate the engine because it's in a supra
Under the category of respect your elders, I love the 3.6l S38 in my 1989 BMW, individual throttle bodies, and an variable length intake plenum. This thing is a smooth beast!
You forgot m57, in 35s diesel powered here in Europe there people with 400 hp and 800 nm with bolt on and remap
he already made video about it few months ago
I have a 2014 535d xdrive with an n57 lci big turbo making 400hp and 650tq and trans tune. Its crazy fun and decent fast for the street. It will beat 98% of the cars at a light lmao. Usa model that comes single turbo.
Love my b58
I had a 1986 D reg BMW 635Csi with the Motronic ignition and fuel system brain (instead of separate ignition and fuel brains in earlier cars) that gave it more HP and economy, and I loved that car which I named Butterfly.
She was a graceful lady that turned heads, but she could pick up her skirt and run if needed 🥰
M88 engine is beast. I have 635 with a swap racing-ish M88( dry sump and DOHC) twin turbo( with chargercooler before intake) and a manual zf6. The original engine and transmission are on crate without all liquids and completely sealed
m30 was made way before m20. m20 replaced the 2.5 and 2.8 versions in 1977, it and was just lighter and smaller engine for 3series than m30 .the m20 was replaced by m50 and m30 with m60 v8. 1:38
M30 was first used in 1968
If Mclaren sourced race winning engines from BMW that should say something.Full stop.
Had a m50tub in a e34 and it was a very free revving engine and at 230k didn’t leak or burn any oil.
Apparently the S54 went with an iron block to keep thr strength for an 8k plus redline 340hp engine. Most high performance cars had iron blocks up until then, including the 2JZ and the RB26
S54, 3.2 liters all natural and makes the more power than stock 2JZ’s and RB26s. 330 horsepower wrung out to 8k in the early 2000s
Forgot BMWs last naturally aspirated engine which was also the first produced motor to use magnesium alloy, the N52
N52 is a masterpiece fr
The power potential is great reliability out the window
words of a man who’s owned how many?
You forgot to mention the last, best (non-M) naturally aspirated BMW inline-6 sold in America: the N52. With an aluminum/magnesium alloy engine block, full bedplate, aluminum head, double-Vanos, Valvetronic, variable intake runners (3-stage intake manifold). Also, far more reliable than the N54/N55. Good for 268HP and 232 lb/ft in the highest-performance factory version (plus it weighs a good 125 lbs less than the S54).
Get the velocity stacks from 22rpd. Guys making 269 WHEEL hp from n52 now 😮
10:30 yup I ain’t gapping any S55 with my S4 3.0T💀
Can you make a video about the nissan patrol tb48 inline 6 engine,
They make over 1000 hp with it in dubai
I thought it would be fake for the s58 make 650whp up 700whp and 650 tq on bolt ons, E Mix, and a tune but seeing this vid about it it is insane .
As a bonus, inline 6s are easier to maintain and rebuild than almost any V or flat car engine out there.
Its nice having a perfectly balanced engine with one cylinder head lol
I literally went out a bought a M57 because of your video 😂
If you are willing to modify it, let me know what would you put on it.
You got me so excited bro 🔥
@@aminemohamed1717 I have a 2014 535d xdrive with an n57 big turbo making 400hp and 650tq and trans tune. Its crazy fun and decent fast for the street. It will beat 98% of the cars at a light lmao.
Totally skips the N52 and N53 BMW last produced N/a inline 6
Diesel I6 vs Gasoline I6 ⛽ 👌
3:38 I remember someone said why BMW on American market is detuned is because crappy fuel. I don't know is it true or not but that's actually make sense if it's true. Bmw doesn't want their engine blow on American market because the fuel is bad. That will lead to bad reputation.
On some engines yes. They pulled diesels in USA due to shitty fuel and emissions testing. Also, high sulfur gas has kept some advanced engines like the n53 from coming here
Should do a video on the tb48 or 1fz
There are significant differences between aircraft engines and automotive designs, that might explain why there have been so few really successful transfers of automotive engines into airplanes. Airplanes ask their engines to develop 100% of rated power for about the first five minutes of flight and do that with rock solid reliability. Well maybe a race car engine can do this but most race cars start each race with a newly rebuilt engine while even the engines in fighter planes are expected to go 750 hours or more before overhaul, and 2000 hours between overhauls is not unusual for the rest of the fleet. I'm talking about piston engines here. After takeoff aircraft engines are worked like truck and industrial engines putting out 65 to 75% of rated power during most of the remaining flight time. Low horsepower per unit displacement can be explained by rpm limitations, the 360 ci engine in my plane develops about 180 hp, two cubic inches per hp, about what a 180 ci engine in a car can do, the Lycoming does it at 2700 rpms not 5500 or more. In most planes the propellor is bolted directly to the engine with the prop turning at crankshaft speed and there is the problem, the tip of a six foot prop is nearing transonic speed at 2700 rpm and that is very noisy and inefficient in terms of developing thrust. Planes with longer props are going to need to turn slower. Some planes use geared engines but the heavy duty gearboxes add weight and are another factor in overall reliability and they are expensive. It is kind of interesting that almost all heavy duty over the road trucks use the straight six design and it is a common choice for industrial applications.
What about the amc 4.0 inline 6?
Reliable but chugs fuel and doesn’t perform well. They barely updated it and should have made a good successor instead of crappy v6s
With the current AMG straight sixes, seeing how they perform compared to the BMW inline sixes will be interesting.
The difference is compression, a bit higher in amg, and a turbo which is close to a MGU-K from F1. Let’s say, Amg inline six follow all rulebook from diesel i-6
And the N52 has treated me well for 17 years now...
Where did you go?
///M power
///M aintenance
@@delbertmcfinklestein8576 then go for a yaris🤣
@@delbertmcfinklestein8576 2jz if you find one💸😁
BMW is definitely the king of inline six engines now that no one else wants to build them but all the plastic they surround it with kill it's reliability . I think most companies decided that an inline 6 isn't compact enough plus a V6 can be shared with front wheel drive models. a V6 in RWD configuration keeps the weight closer to the firewall for better weight balance. the 3.7 V6 in the Nissan 370Z Nismo and Infiniti G37 IPL come with 350hp stock than you have the GTR's 3.8 which is a monster. I believe Porsche has the most powerful naturally aspirated 6 cylinders at the moment.
No wonder Chrysler now has powerful turbo'd in line six engines now with up to 1,000 hp. In the performance world you cannot hide a thing.
what about Jeep's new hurricane twin-turbo six? not sure if that is a inline or not though...
It is. Think it's too early cause no one's truly went and truly tuned one yet which makes sense since they're in 90-120k land yachts tbh.
I have a 535d from 2012 and it is cool
for me BMW makes best diesel inline6 engines aswell
cool, now thats a mouthful. you got cliff notes on that??????????you said alot there.lol
im jokin with ya. theyre good engines.
In today modern era I still prefer M50B25TU , M52B28 single vanos and M54B30 engine
We are supposed to follow all the varients, and keep track of the numbers, and the assurances that this or that model was ‘the best/great improvement over’ the previous engine described…OK, by how much? Precious little HP/torque figures are quoted, to demonstate exactly how large the improvement was……
The Jeep 4.0/4.2 is proven to be reliable. Easy power after forced induction and/or stroked.
Same with the Ford 300. Seeing a lot of crazy Forced Induction 300 builds nowadays. Same with the Vortec 4.2l.
The 4.2 needs more aftermarket support and it would be the best available for American gearheads Australia gets the Barra and others get the Nissan
@@noduh736 Agreed. I foresee 4.2 builds picking up over the next few years.
If Chrysler would have just kept the Slant Six, and went forward…
The Hemi was over rated, and still is, the Inline Six is the Beast!!!
M88/3 forever!
I’m so tired of hearing about how ugly the M3 grill is. It really is not that ugly. It looks so good in person
Hail to BMW for sticking with the inline 6. I've owned over a dozen. However, the reliability quickly degraded in the past dozen years. Stupid engineering decisions, electric water pumps, plastic clutch pedal (e60), turbo and AWD challenges in the engine bay with the outdated slant configuration, plastic 'wear item' valve covers that cost more that the (recyclable) metal ones, leaking upper oil pan gaskets that require dropping the subframe. The B58 has been out for some time now. Seems like an improvement over N54 and N55. BMW may continue to be a top choice for performance minded enthusiasts. I get it. But I've left the fold after ~40 years of BMW ownership.
BMW had to make the "n55 family" more reliable because Toyota did not want to see that engine once a week in the sevice bay!
idc what no one says i like the front but thats just me
Late to the party, i could argue ford. No im not a fan boy yes bmw has had more total but ford has had more than 1 good i6. The 300 is amazing and still has a decent aftermarket. The Barra, it it were not a aus only engine it would give the coyote and ls a run for most swaps.
Why are you always looking at your left?
I think the S54 uses aluminum block.
It's iron
I usually watch TH-cam videos at 1.25 speed, as they move ever so slightly slowly…but this one? I am incentivized to watch it at .75 or even .5 speed…I absolutely could not keep up with all the ‘S52’ vs ‘M50’ (or whatever) varients being spewed out at machine gun pace…
Shit my brothers 335i. Just dropped in a tuner and catless down pipes and makes 500whp. On 92pump.
Can't believe you don't have the 4.0 L Jeep engine yeah they weren't super powerful
14:08
Put Forced Induction and a stroker kit into a 4.0, and you make great power.
Even without pumping things up most sixes could produce more power with better manifolds (both in and out), a little more carburation, higher compression, and better timing. I bet that Jeep 6 could do over 200 hp and still make so good low end torque. And still be mechanically rather simple.
@@darth--chungus1765
Inline six in my e34 was the best. my first car. There is now way i by anything else than bmw 6 sylinder.
b58 > s55
u forgot to talk about y inline 6 cylinder engines r superior to inline 4 cylinders, V8's n V6's.
the front of G80 M3 looks not only ugly it is wonky and gooffy in my opinion
M2 looks like a beast though
BMW had great inline 6 motors. That said the modern ones are shit! Power does not matter if it is not durable, reliable and afforadable to repair. Once out of warranty BMW and Daimler products are money pits. They use cheap fastners and too much plastic. The blocks are not easily rebuildable. I lived in Germany 1979-1991 and apprenticed to be an automotive Technician. I hot-rodded the hell out of I6's especially BMW's. Toyota's 1FZFE and the 2JZ have to be the best designed I6's. The Ford Bara is also Iconic.
M3 e46 owner here will never sell the best car ever
Its literally better than the 2JZ , which 2JZ can handle 1000hp with stock internals with a turbo , fuel , cooling , downpipes and tuning .
No 2JZ can handle 1000hp on the stock bottom end.
I traded my N54 for a Volvo IS6 life is much more enjoyable
Is it an I6 engine ?
Yes
Porsche flat 6s dominate the nurbergring lap times....where are the BMWs? 😅
They're wonderful when everything's working, but if you plan on owning one with over 100k miles it better have been religiously maintained and you better be able to do your own repairs and/or have a thick wallet.
My m20 equipped e30 is going in 200k miles with nothing but routine oil changes 🤙🏼🤙🏼
You forgot N52
try not to speak that fast, will be more informative
Someone has never heard a company called Cummins, the king of online 6 cylinders. Those motors are basically indestructible especially the 5.9 with the p pump.
I think it's because he was talking about petrol engine and not the diesel. But I don't know.
If it's not then it's just an opinion from him and I respect that, you have your own opinion about inline six and so do he.
But yeah, maybe he was talking about the petrol engine.
Correction Ford is the king of inline 6 engines and that one engine is better than all of um.
BMW is king of most unreliable engines as well don't forget that. Can someone say rob bearing repair job.
BMW… The only auto maker that figured out how to mess up a inline 6.
Having a history with inline sixes does not make them the best inline 6 manufacturer The reliability standpoint of all of their inline 6 engines are complete trash compared to JDM counterparts and even the Ford barra. And while they are keeping the inline six dream alive I would not call them the best or the king.
If you base the king of straight sixes on reliability, I doubt that BMW would even be on the long list.
Yep, I've owned many and it's endless leaks, and check engine lights. Done with the brand.
another clueless comment, M30, M50, M52, M54, and N52 say otherwise
Bmw... Bha, plane rubbish