this was one of the rare incidents thar is hardly ever covered by documentaries. So thank you💙🤍 for this.👌🏼👍🏻 Was hoping to get to know the final report, if any said about not being able to pinpoint the cause.
You never explained when the PAN level emergency was lifted, or even if it was. This is the first time I've heard of that emergency being called yet the plane continued to it's destination. Was it still in that emergency state the whole flight?
@@GreenDotAviation I agree!! But also, the @CallingOutMayday TH-cam channel is the Oxford/Cambridge of accident investigation channels (he calls them Case Studies😉) with excruciating detail in an Irish? accent. 😁
Me too. Aside from the fact that he Double-Dips YooHoo-Toob ads, as well as in-video sponsors. To me it's greasy, greedy, wastes his viewers precious time, and feeds the machine to further extort it's users. However, a few more shekels are hard to pass up. I get it. But I wholeheartedly disagree with it. He does great work. But the greed with some of these creators sickens me. Do ads, fine. Do (a) sponsor and/or patreon, fine. But double-dipping ads, plus TWO times (one video) sponsoring your RUBBISH games... I'm waiting for the trifecta of adding a patreon to the previous two dips. It's straight scumbag greed. I'll unsub for now, as my autism cannot handle this much advertising shoveled in my face. Good luck, and godspeed on your journey through Spaceballs 2: The Search For More Money.
18:00 Call me Mr. Coward but if my airplane lost most of its ELC power and now was in a holding pattern - I think my top priority would be safely landing at nearby airfield rather than getting to my destination.
Yup. And if they want to fire me for taking care of my passengers when there were LOTS of issues with the plane (per the video), worst case, I can change employers or even careers if I'm alive.
Retired USAF 2A676 (Electro-Environmental Systems) electrican here. It's absolutely amazing to me that there was ANY discussion whatsoever as to continue the flight and that the air crew did not do was put the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible.
Seemed like a very stupid decision. Not sure why they didn’t immediately land the plan instead they spent 30 minutes troubleshooting. And why did they continue with the defroster not working.
I think it may be a BA thing. They train their pilots well, and there seems to be a culture of "get there," not at any cost, but thru resourcefulness. At least this is the impression I get from other vids about BA flights that might have come to grief, but didn't.
Great video! This video really hit close to home and it reminded me of the story I have experienced. I was once a passenger on British Airways Flight 872 to Kraków (just two numbers above the flight mentioned in this video). The plane was also an Airbus A320. I remember that we all boarded a plane and it was already taxing towards the runway. But at some point the plane stopped and I noticed that other planes started to overtake us. After several minutes the captain informed us that they have problems with flight computer and were trying to solve them. After several more minutes standing, the captain once again talked to us, but this time he stated that while they were trying to solve the issue, more problems appeared. At some point the plane returned to a gate and the engineers visited the cockpit. And finally it was decided that the plane was not safe to fly and we had to deboard the plane. The British Airways provided a substitute plane on the same day (this time it was A320 Neo) and after several hours of delay, we finally took off and got to Kraków shortly before midnight. Obliviously I was really annoyed on that day, as sitting at Terminal 3 at Heathrow for several hours is not a pleasant experience, but when I cooled down, I realized how grateful I am that the pilots decided to solve the problem on the ground and decided not to take off. After all, avoiding several hours of delay is not worth risking your life. And watching many of your videos helped me to realize, that sometimes a very small problem might be underestimated by the pilot and later escalate lead to a disaster. And I am glad it was not a case for me. After all, as much as I like your videos, I wouldn't like to be a "character" in any of them
Agreed. I have decided never to be upset at a delayed flight for a safety issue, so glad when they figure out there's a problem before we're in the air
My flight had a delay and when we got to the UK there was a storm and we had to go around. It was terrifying. It was like a rollercoaster on the way down. the wings felt like they were about to snap. when the power came on for the go around it was quite a relief. Even when the plane parked it was still moving in the wind. In the train station they said people on other flights earlier on had been screaming. There was terrential rain and I saw there was fences that had been blown down that night. it was much more comfortable waiting in the airport for the flight but it should have been delayed another hour. There was in any case no train due to flooding so the passengers could have encountered further danger on their onward journeys and not got to their destination any sooner.
Apparently, re lots of issue / accident videos, pilots get used to planes having various problems. I had NO IDEA there was so much of this when I flew during my career.
Pilots are weird specimens tho, strangely calm under immense pressure and fearless, mainly due to having so much knowledge and experience. Not for me, I'd quit while ahead after the powercut and thank me lucky stars, probably land in an Asda car park or something 😂 but continue over water? Absolutely no chance ! As a pax I'd be screaming 'get this thing on the ground'
@@deekey33haha 😂 this comment gives the cherry on top for my night. When something happens, we are obligated to stay calm to ensure safety to everyone and maintain focus to get that thang on the ground 😂 have a good one my man
Yeah, it's great Have you heard of Mentour pilot channel? He is also very good and I enjoy green dot & Mentour, both very high quality content creators
No other aircraft channel quite interests me or hooks me in like Green Dot Avaition, its so easy to understand commentary and the visualls are so interesting, you can really tell alot of work is put into each and every video. Thank for the hard work Green Dot Aviation! I love this channel so much
I agree it's excellent professional content. Pilot Debrief is a good solid " what happened " channel but Green Dot gives you a well presented set-up, what happens when it's happening, and of course the visuals that put you there. Very few times do I have " why " questions ( but this one I did wonder why the pilots didn't have flashlights) after watching one of their videos.
Also noticed this and really appreciated it. Each video is getting better even though there's no need for improvement. I can sense you're just having fun with it and that makes for really amazing quality - thank you!👌
Whenever you’re questioning yourself about landing at the nearest suitable airport or to continue, your answer should always be to land at the nearest suitable airport. Don’t question or second guess yourself!
That is just wrong. A standard decision making model (FORDEC, Facts-OPTIONS-Risks.....) includes going through your options. One of those is always to land at the closest airport. But it is trivial to think of situations where this makes little sense. Say the closest airport is one you're much less familiar with than your destination. Would it make sense to switch to that and rebrief during the flight with an impaired aircraft? This is always a case-by-case decision. Maybe it would have been a good idea in this case, but you can't generalize it like that.
Mate, I’ve been binging these videos the past few weeks. The research, editing and narration of these videos must be incredibly time consuming and take lots of hard work to get to this standard, it definitely pays off. Cheers for making these, I and I’m sure many other people look forward to seeing many future videos. Keep up the great work!
As an A320 pilot with 28 years on type, we were alerted to this issue / trap of the AC ESS BUS ALTN needing to be pressed back in 1999! I would have expected better from what was then touted as the "world's favourite airline".
@@dw2295 Yep, but the times aren't just invented. The "maximum flight crew response time" to an event is in the certification rules, based on criticality. In the flight test portion of the cert'n program the time allowances are evaluated for whether a "minimum" flight crew can accomplish the task. This is the same exact issue as the infamous 737-Max MCAS system (two catastrophic accidents) where Boeing fell flat on their...faces.
Thank goodness he is finally listening to his viewers and significantly reducing the number of adverts. The whole watching experience of the videos is much better and more coherent.
An unexplained significant loss of electrical power sounds particularly scary on a fly by wire aircraft. Obviously flight controls kept working, despite the loss of power to so many instrument displays.
Yeah where does their power come from? When not even the light for the standby instruments, let alone the captain's displays (where even work when the RAT is out, after both generators have failed) work, what was going on with the computers? How many of them went offline for a while as well? I'm assuming they didn't stay in normal law? At least after switching to the "manual" engine control, I'm assuming alpha floor protection wouldn't work, for example. There's so much to study here.
Here in Central NC of US and we were just devastated by Hurricane Helene and i just got wifi back after 5 days almost, a few hours ago... can think of NOTHING BETTER THAN A GREENDOT VIDEO! Thank you! Truly! I needed this to get my mind of the catastrophe.
@LierinLindquisk I'm so sorry. I've watched the weather events in the US with absolute horror. It breaks my heart that so many have died. It's time for your country to accept that climate change is real and dangerous. Here in Europe we have embraced all the changes. The result is so clear in that our weather problems have improved dramatically. Just know that many people are praying for all affected.
"When in doubt, there is no doubt." I would not have had as much faith in the system that it would not go down a second time as the captain of this flight did. Love your work, keep it up!! Cheers from Canada! 🍻
What I like about your channel is you don't always do the famous incidents, you do the lesser known ones, and the way you make your videos is perfect! Keep it up, favorite channel at the moment!
IMO, that's some VERY poor judgement by the Captain to elect to continue to the destination. Neither he, nor maintenance, could've anticipated any other faults (new, dependent, or independent) that could occur. I'd have voted for MADAY MAYDAY MAYDAY, RTB or nearest available.
If you put yourself in the captain's shoes, you see his decision was actually very reasonable, and ultimately correct. They momentarily lost electrical power. They followed the checklist, and brought it back. Maintenance said it's safe to continue. They were never in danger of losing control. If they had declared an emergency and retruned to the nearest runway, it would have ruined all the passengers' trips, cost the airline a huge amount of money, and for what? To avoid some unknown, undefined risk? It's not even clear now, decades later, what actually led to the electrical fault, so presumably the same risk still exists today any time one of these planes is in the air. Why isn't it "VERY poor judgment" by any captain to fly in one of them before the cause is understood and a fix is put in place?
easy to judge when you have all the hindsight and while watching an air incident video knowing something is about to go wrong. I think he made a reasonable decision having been told by the professionals that everything is fine
@@HIK_48 🤔 Does a "loss of navigation instruments" (loss of PFDs, NDs, AP, AT, VHF) qualify? In my opinion, this wasn't just an inconvenient "loss of lighting" ---- this crew had a "loss of navigation instruments" (aka mechanical damage) which meets any criteria for a MAYDAY. Just because we NOW have hindsight judgement that it COULD have been a PAN-PAN, etc. doesn't mean a MAYDAY was wrong. And how many times have we seen pilots refuse to even declare an emergency at the beginning of their Swiss Cheese Model causation, and end up dying at the end because they didn't? And the AAIB has yet to Fault Isolate that defect and their tests _"failed to identify any faults and it was not possible to reproduce the symptoms reported by the crew."_ Sorry, in hindsight, I'm putting an aircraft with a gremlin fault like that immediately on the ground with a MAYDAY (especially when the aircraft just had a TR-1 failure and was only one TR-2 failure from a two-generator INOP condition and flying on the APU GEN). Just my opinion...
Thank you for maintaining the score (music theme choices) in your episodes. It’s what makes this channel so unique and special. The choice of music compliments the videos so well.
This was a thrilling ride! I am no captain, but I would have returned to the departure airport if it took 40 mins to decide whether to continue or not, given the grave failure of even the PFD going out like that. No financial loss is worth risking lives.
Green Dot Aviation's documentaries are starting to feel more and more on par with NatGeo's Air Crash Investigation series. Really impressed with how much the quality has improved🔥🔥
18:01 “Naturally, the passengers were keen to continue to Budapest.” I don’t know, if I had just spent several minutes in a completely darkened airplane, I think I’d want to get back on the ground ASAP.
I have to appreciate and thank you for the level of your pronunciation of english language. For me as non-english with base knowledge it's very nice so even viewers like me can understand the whole text.
bro the production quality and attention to detail are going way way up, i notice ALL of it. i'm so impressed, I hope it's worth it for the effort for you!
I am very surprised that the captain of a BA flight did not choose to return to Heathrow. In my opinion he seriously risked endangering the lives of all passengers.
But the radio wasn't working so returning could have caused a huge tragedy since they had no way of contacting air traffic control in Londons busy air space
@@liamcollinson5695 @liamcollinson5695, there are standard procedures for any aircraft that loses communications. (In av'n called "NORDO" procedures, and it's an emergency in controlled airspace.) ATC and the Flight Crew will both recognize PDQ that their outgoing trans'ns are not heard. At that point the pilot's 1st duty is the *safety of his aircraft* , d-mn the dense air-traffic over Heathrow becoming a dog's breakfast. So... ATC SOP -- communicate w/ all (other) traffic and clear the affected aircraft's path. (Yes, ATC still has primary radar. Not used much, but it shows the loc'n of the affected aircraft.) Flight crew SOP -- know that ATC is conducting NORDO procedures and clearing any path they choose. Pick their favourite runway. Land safely and thank the passengers for flying Air-Fritz as they file out. (Whew, too long. I advise you not to read this.)
16:13 No windshield heating on captain's side, no cabin temp control, no ventilation for the cockpit avionics ... Then one of my major concerns, would be the raising temperature in the electronics bay under the cockpit. You don't want to continue the flight with a potentially overheating electronics bay!
The work this site has done to inform me of the various events, specifically outside of the US, has been an eye opener and incredible resource as I personally hone in my airbus knowledge as an active pilot in the type. Thank you.
its been sometime since i watched this channel, and let me tell yah the quality has CHANGED ridiculously. It has improved so much. You are one talented man, Green Dot Aviation.
Thanks for another fascinating video. Good to see an in depth video of an incident that didn’t end in tragedy. Please do more of these as it sets you apart from the competition.
A320 pilot here: really well done man. I've been following your channel for a couple years and I must commend you on your informational accuracy, can particularly vouch for Airbus aircraft. Keep it going bud!
Question: With the failure of WHC 1, autothrust and some other systems what BUS powers these? According to what I’ve read WHC 1 is controlled by DC BUS 1. If TR1 had failed then shouldn’t DC BUS 1 be powered by the DC BAT BUS?
I watch a few other airplane disaster channels and their content in terms of professionalism is at a similar level as yours. However what absolutely kicks ass is your intro. It kind of mentally prepares the viewer to see a really scary story. I love it!
Your way of explaining is amazing, I'm subbed to this channel for a good while now and the production values are really good, What i love about this channel is those cases where you never hear about. Really good job!!
My husband and I wait eagerly for each "green dot" to come out, so we can try to watch it.. but end up falling asleep. Something so soporific about this dude and his videos. Love it.
"Heh, heh ... good evening ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking ... does anyone have a flashlight?" "Oh ... and a cell phone?" "And one more thing ... anyone have any ideas about whether or not we should try to land a disabled aircraft?"
@@pochopsp I had a cellphone back in 2005 and it had a camera and colored display although I'm always lagging when it comes to technology, all the people I knew had cellphones for years back then! Only smartphones were missing, it was not the Titanic times, and there were no dinosaurs roaming the earth!
Green Dot, you are my fav aviation channel. For multiple reasons, but one of them is your voice is perfect for this-dont get tired listening.Cheers from Norway
When I was younger I had the biggest phobia of flying. Absolutely terrified me. You'd think watching videos about things going wrong on planes, sometimes crashing wouldn't help me fear. But you'd be wrong. 16 now, Absolutely love flying. Everything about it, the science, the engineering, the procedures. Largely due to this channel. Always makes me happy to see that I've got a new video to watch.
Glad it turned out ok. I'd have more easily understood the decision to continue if the weather had been better, but since the weather was marginal... I don't know if I'd have continued that landing.... but on the flip side the delay ultimately gave them time for visibility to improve so.. 😂😂
Flying back to the UK from Warsaw. The 737-800 landed at Modlin (Warsaw) and the passengers exited the aircraft. Whilst we were waiting to board, one of the cabin crew began shining a torch near the rear door of the jet? An engineer, after checking the aircraft decided to cancel the flight. We were all lead through border security and our passports were stamped again with the Modlin Warsaw arrival stamp. We had to wait for twenty hours until another flight was arranged to take us back to the UK. Safety was of course paramount and we were all glad to get safely back home. But, I always wondered what was wrong with the aircraft? Is there a flight (engineers) log that a passenger could check for a cancelled/delayed flight?
A scary scenario indeed. Had the fault occurred at a critical moment, like on final approach using instruments only, it could well have been a disaster. The crew and passengers were lucky indeed.
What it doesn’t mention is the fact that they were “tankering” fuel. Once the electrics had come back on line, the situation didn’t justify an emergency landing, so they had the choice of holding over Brasso for about an hour and a half or using that time to transit to Budapest. In that time the weather at LHR was due to deteriorate too and they would still have had to descend through cloud. Both BA and the CAA supported the Captains decision.
Your videos help me with my air accident and incident (plane crash) research. I had no idea this one even happened! New one for my notes! Seriously, nothing on it on Wikipedia! Thank you!
I know these videos take a lot of time and effort to make, and i hope one day you can have a large team of people working with you so we can enjoy more frequent uploads :)
This channel and Mentor Pilot are my current favourite channels! I actually got to see a demonstration of something talked about in a video because of the planes that sometimes fly overhead very close, makes the loud plane noises less infuriating because I get to say to myself "ooh is that a Cessna???" "Oh wow a private jet!" "Oh look low to ground turbulence look at the plane wobble before landing!"
I live about a mile from the airfield that Boultbee operate from, as a result I get to enjoy Spitfires flying over my house a few times a week. Never considered it annoying, not even once! It's a privilege to witness warbirds in their natural environment.
An excellent example of how flight crews remain under management pressure. I remember back in the early days of my flying career flying with a captain who related an instance with his previous airline where he had elected to overrule the computer-generated fuel plan on several occasions based on his knowledge of holding times at a popular tourist destination.. he arrived for duty one evening to be advised by ops that he wouldn't be flying the trip and would be needed for a meeting in the morning. He was asked why he was choosing to carry the extra fuel.. it increases the weight, burning more fuel.. more costs to the airline. His focus was safety, theirs.. sitting safely at home. was accountancy.
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this was one of the rare incidents thar is hardly ever covered by documentaries.
So thank you💙🤍 for this.👌🏼👍🏻
Was hoping to get to know the final report, if any said about not being able to pinpoint the cause.
You never explained when the PAN level emergency was lifted, or even if it was. This is the first time I've heard of that emergency being called yet the plane continued to it's destination. Was it still in that emergency state the whole flight?
May I ask what software you use?
@@rogerjohnson6676Google is your friend
Thank you
there isn’t a single other channel that gets me as excited as when green dot uploads. by far my favorite channel
Thanks for the kind words :)
@@GreenDotAviation I agree!! But also, the @CallingOutMayday TH-cam channel is the Oxford/Cambridge of accident investigation channels (he calls them Case Studies😉) with excruciating detail in an Irish? accent. 😁
Same!
Me too.
Aside from the fact that he Double-Dips YooHoo-Toob ads, as well as in-video sponsors.
To me it's greasy, greedy, wastes his viewers precious time, and feeds the machine to further extort it's users.
However, a few more shekels are hard to pass up.
I get it. But I wholeheartedly disagree with it.
He does great work.
But the greed with some of these creators sickens me.
Do ads, fine.
Do (a) sponsor and/or patreon, fine.
But double-dipping ads, plus TWO times (one video) sponsoring your RUBBISH games... I'm waiting for the trifecta of adding a patreon to the previous two dips.
It's straight scumbag greed.
I'll unsub for now, as my autism cannot handle this much advertising shoveled in my face.
Good luck, and godspeed on your journey through Spaceballs 2: The Search For More Money.
Me too, best aviation channel.
18:00 Call me Mr. Coward but if my airplane lost most of its ELC power and now was in a holding pattern - I think my top priority would be safely landing at nearby airfield rather than getting to my destination.
alright Mr. Coward
Yep
Yup. And if they want to fire me for taking care of my passengers when there were LOTS of issues with the plane (per the video), worst case, I can change employers or even careers if I'm alive.
And I wouldn't be in that holding pattern any longer than necessary!
@@johndavidson4127 ok mr coward
Retired USAF 2A676 (Electro-Environmental Systems) electrican here. It's absolutely amazing to me that there was ANY discussion whatsoever as to continue the flight and that the air crew did not do was put the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible.
Seemed like a very stupid decision. Not sure why they didn’t immediately land the plan instead they spent 30 minutes troubleshooting. And why did they continue with the defroster not working.
I think it may be a BA thing. They train their pilots well, and there seems to be a culture of "get there," not at any cost, but thru resourcefulness. At least this is the impression I get from other vids about BA flights that might have come to grief, but didn't.
@@RatPfink66Didn't they continue a trans Atlantic flight in a 747 with only 3 engines, the failure occurring while still over the US?
Yeah BA268 from LAX to LHR
Surely it would have been better for engineers to have the aircraft in the UK to repair it/carry out tests rather than in Budapest too!
Great video! This video really hit close to home and it reminded me of the story I have experienced. I was once a passenger on British Airways Flight 872 to Kraków (just two numbers above the flight mentioned in this video). The plane was also an Airbus A320. I remember that we all boarded a plane and it was already taxing towards the runway. But at some point the plane stopped and I noticed that other planes started to overtake us. After several minutes the captain informed us that they have problems with flight computer and were trying to solve them. After several more minutes standing, the captain once again talked to us, but this time he stated that while they were trying to solve the issue, more problems appeared. At some point the plane returned to a gate and the engineers visited the cockpit. And finally it was decided that the plane was not safe to fly and we had to deboard the plane. The British Airways provided a substitute plane on the same day (this time it was A320 Neo) and after several hours of delay, we finally took off and got to Kraków shortly before midnight. Obliviously I was really annoyed on that day, as sitting at Terminal 3 at Heathrow for several hours is not a pleasant experience, but when I cooled down, I realized how grateful I am that the pilots decided to solve the problem on the ground and decided not to take off. After all, avoiding several hours of delay is not worth risking your life. And watching many of your videos helped me to realize, that sometimes a very small problem might be underestimated by the pilot and later escalate lead to a disaster. And I am glad it was not a case for me. After all, as much as I like your videos, I wouldn't like to be a "character" in any of them
Yeah, it's much better to be on the ground wishing you were in the sky, then in the sky wishing you were on the ground.
Phew! What a relief. Glad you’re safe. Grateful for the gift of life
Agreed. I have decided never to be upset at a delayed flight for a safety issue, so glad when they figure out there's a problem before we're in the air
Great comment. I also hope I’ll never be a “character” in a Green Dot!
My flight had a delay and when we got to the UK there was a storm and we had to go around. It was terrifying. It was like a rollercoaster on the way down. the wings felt like they were about to snap. when the power came on for the go around it was quite a relief. Even when the plane parked it was still moving in the wind. In the train station they said people on other flights earlier on had been screaming. There was terrential rain and I saw there was fences that had been blown down that night. it was much more comfortable waiting in the airport for the flight but it should have been delayed another hour. There was in any case no train due to flooding so the passengers could have encountered further danger on their onward journeys and not got to their destination any sooner.
I can’t believe this channel doesn’t have more subs, this is one of the best channels on TH-cam
*One of the best aviation channels
24:20 my heart started pounding hard here when the pilot decided to continue the flight after all of that
Apparently, re lots of issue / accident videos, pilots get used to planes having various problems. I had NO IDEA there was so much of this when I flew during my career.
@@rogergeyer9851 aircraft far too complicated
Pilots are weird specimens tho, strangely calm under immense pressure and fearless, mainly due to having so much knowledge and experience. Not for me, I'd quit while ahead after the powercut and thank me lucky stars, probably land in an Asda car park or something 😂 but continue over water? Absolutely no chance ! As a pax I'd be screaming 'get this thing on the ground'
@@deekey33haha 😂 this comment gives the cherry on top for my night. When something happens, we are obligated to stay calm to ensure safety to everyone and maintain focus to get that thang on the ground 😂 have a good one my man
I LOVE GREEN DOT AVIATION! ITS MY FAVORITE CHANNEL EVERRRR. YIPPEEEE! i was inspired to become a pilot because of this channel
good luck woth becoming a pilot!
same here even the pilot thing
I was also inspired to become a pilot, I mean I didn't do it but I was inspired to...
Delighted to hear that! Go for it ✈️✈️
Yeah, it's great
Have you heard of Mentour pilot channel? He is also very good and I enjoy green dot & Mentour, both very high quality content creators
No other aircraft channel quite interests me or hooks me in like Green Dot Avaition, its so easy to understand commentary and the visualls are so interesting, you can really tell alot of work is put into each and every video. Thank for the hard work Green Dot Aviation! I love this channel so much
Thanks so much for the kind words 🙏
He's good. So is mentour pilot.
I agree it's excellent professional content. Pilot Debrief is a good solid " what happened " channel but Green Dot gives you a well presented set-up, what happens when it's happening, and of course the visuals that put you there. Very few times do I have " why " questions ( but this one I did wonder why the pilots didn't have flashlights) after watching one of their videos.
Green Dot Aviation, Mentour Pilot, and Disaster Breakdown are all excellent channels!
@@senorpepper3405 He's better
No torch in cockpit?
They didn't think to use them, totally forgot about them in the heat of the moment - this would have been a good detail to add in the video
My thoughts exactly
my first thought as well
Trusty flashlight 🔦
My first thought and if they have emergency lights in the cabin they could add a lamp in the cockpit that comes on automatically.
didn't know what to watch with my lunch and I have been blessed with a Green Dot Aviation video. life is good
Lunch. It's 2300 here 😆 🥱 🛌😴
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@@FallenAngel53 How the bloody hell did you know I was going to say that ?! Anyway it's 23:25
0:28 here lol
@@bytesback. 2337 🤣
You KNOW it’s an obscure incident when there isn’t even mention of it on Wikipedia
The more impressive Green Dot made a video about it.
You could create an article about it.
It likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's standard for notability.
I agree, it’s just now that Wikipedia is being more strict and making things more accurate, plus Wikipedia I have been using for years and I’m loyal
Maybe
The ways you continue to improve, man! That’s a killer intro!
Glad you enjoyed it! May try similar intros in future videos
Also noticed this and really appreciated it. Each video is getting better even though there's no need for improvement. I can sense you're just having fun with it and that makes for really amazing quality - thank you!👌
Whenever you’re questioning yourself about landing at the nearest suitable airport or to continue, your answer should always be to land at the nearest suitable airport. Don’t question or second guess yourself!
That is just wrong. A standard decision making model (FORDEC, Facts-OPTIONS-Risks.....) includes going through your options. One of those is always to land at the closest airport. But it is trivial to think of situations where this makes little sense. Say the closest airport is one you're much less familiar with than your destination. Would it make sense to switch to that and rebrief during the flight with an impaired aircraft? This is always a case-by-case decision. Maybe it would have been a good idea in this case, but you can't generalize it like that.
Mate, I’ve been binging these videos the past few weeks. The research, editing and narration of these videos must be incredibly time consuming and take lots of hard work to get to this standard, it definitely pays off. Cheers for making these, I and I’m sure many other people look forward to seeing many future videos. Keep up the great work!
It does take time, and it's a team effort at this point. Glad to hear you're enjoying the results and thank you for the kind words :)
@@GreenDotAviationis this your full time job?
@@raya74He's also training to become a pilot
I'm just impressed it's a real person, not a robot / AI voice. Good stuff.
Just about to lie down for the night. Nothing like a new GDA vid to relax to. Great content thanks❤
Thank you, hope you find it interesting ✈️
As an A320 pilot with 28 years on type, we were alerted to this issue / trap of the AC ESS BUS ALTN needing to be pressed back in 1999! I would have expected better from what was then touted as the "world's favourite airline".
If you read the report, the crew took 90 seconds to restore power using ALTN AC ESS BUS.
@@doriordan Thank you. I haven't read the official report. But as you say, 90 seconds is really unacceptable.
I wasn’t alive back in the 90s or early 2000s but I doubt British airways was ever genuinely considered the “worlds favorite airline”
@@fatrat6988 Google "The new yorker 1976 poster", and substitute UK for new york, you'll get the idea
@@dw2295 Yep, but the times aren't just invented. The "maximum flight crew response time" to an event is in the certification rules, based on criticality. In the flight test portion of the cert'n program the time allowances are evaluated for whether a "minimum" flight crew can accomplish the task.
This is the same exact issue as the infamous 737-Max MCAS system (two catastrophic accidents) where Boeing fell flat on their...faces.
Thank goodness he is finally listening to his viewers and significantly reducing the number of adverts. The whole watching experience of the videos is much better and more coherent.
@@Fqubes tons of ads on my view
I’ve saved this video to watch tonight as my reward for getting through the day. I am so excited to watch it. Your videos are incredible man
brilliant idea - I will do the same for completing my tax form
An unexplained significant loss of electrical power sounds particularly scary on a fly by wire aircraft. Obviously flight controls kept working, despite the loss of power to so many instrument displays.
Huge amount of redundancy for the flight controls thankfully 😅
Yeah where does their power come from? When not even the light for the standby instruments, let alone the captain's displays (where even work when the RAT is out, after both generators have failed) work, what was going on with the computers? How many of them went offline for a while as well? I'm assuming they didn't stay in normal law? At least after switching to the "manual" engine control, I'm assuming alpha floor protection wouldn't work, for example. There's so much to study here.
@@LuLeBe battery (as well as a generator in the RAT)
Your format is absolutely perfect. Focused on the issue at hand, no unnecessary cringey extras. Extraordinary storytelling. Can't thank you enough!
That master warning in the dark cockpit is eerie as hell.
From someone in college-level aviation curriculum including a safety class, this is spot on. Thank you for these absolutely dialed videos
Here in Central NC of US and we were just devastated by Hurricane Helene and i just got wifi back after 5 days almost, a few hours ago... can think of NOTHING BETTER THAN A GREENDOT VIDEO! Thank you! Truly! I needed this to get my mind of the catastrophe.
@LierinLindquisk I'm so sorry. I've watched the weather events in the US with absolute horror. It breaks my heart that so many have died.
It's time for your country to accept that climate change is real and dangerous. Here in Europe we have embraced all the changes. The result is so clear in that our weather problems have improved dramatically.
Just know that many people are praying for all affected.
"When in doubt, there is no doubt." I would not have had as much faith in the system that it would not go down a second time as the captain of this flight did. Love your work, keep it up!! Cheers from Canada! 🍻
What I like about your channel is you don't always do the famous incidents, you do the lesser known ones, and the way you make your videos is perfect! Keep it up, favorite channel at the moment!
Hey Mr Green dot, you should maybe try united flight 232. I know it's a tragedy but it was also a miracle.
The production of your videos gets better each and every time. Extremely impressive
24:10 - If you have to deliberate 40 minutes for a 2.5 hr flight; then it's time to return to the airport.
@@rovermiles1 not true
they are to run checklists and discuss with maintenance, not sure how this is counted in these 40 min
IMO, that's some VERY poor judgement by the Captain to elect to continue to the destination. Neither he, nor maintenance, could've anticipated any other faults (new, dependent, or independent) that could occur. I'd have voted for MADAY MAYDAY MAYDAY, RTB or nearest available.
If you put yourself in the captain's shoes, you see his decision was actually very reasonable, and ultimately correct. They momentarily lost electrical power. They followed the checklist, and brought it back. Maintenance said it's safe to continue. They were never in danger of losing control.
If they had declared an emergency and retruned to the nearest runway, it would have ruined all the passengers' trips, cost the airline a huge amount of money, and for what? To avoid some unknown, undefined risk? It's not even clear now, decades later, what actually led to the electrical fault, so presumably the same risk still exists today any time one of these planes is in the air. Why isn't it "VERY poor judgment" by any captain to fly in one of them before the cause is understood and a fix is put in place?
There are very specific rules about what constitutes a Mayday. Loss of lighting in the cockpit doesn't qualify
easy to judge when you have all the hindsight and while watching an air incident video knowing something is about to go wrong. I think he made a reasonable decision having been told by the professionals that everything is fine
@@HIK_48 🤔 Does a "loss of navigation instruments" (loss of PFDs, NDs, AP, AT, VHF) qualify? In my opinion, this wasn't just an inconvenient "loss of lighting" ---- this crew had a "loss of navigation instruments" (aka mechanical damage) which meets any criteria for a MAYDAY. Just because we NOW have hindsight judgement that it COULD have been a PAN-PAN, etc. doesn't mean a MAYDAY was wrong. And how many times have we seen pilots refuse to even declare an emergency at the beginning of their Swiss Cheese Model causation, and end up dying at the end because they didn't? And the AAIB has yet to Fault Isolate that defect and their tests _"failed to identify any faults and it was not possible to reproduce the symptoms reported by the crew."_ Sorry, in hindsight, I'm putting an aircraft with a gremlin fault like that immediately on the ground with a MAYDAY (especially when the aircraft just had a TR-1 failure and was only one TR-2 failure from a two-generator INOP condition and flying on the APU GEN). Just my opinion...
@@HIK_48loss of lighting may not qualify but I would think loss of all the instrumentation surely would.
Thank you for maintaining the score (music theme choices) in your episodes. It’s what makes this channel so unique and special. The choice of music compliments the videos so well.
And thank you for keeping your voice riding comfortably on top, and not sunk in the background music/sound effects.
Green Dot Aviation, Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and Fenix Simulations…..magic. Keep up the excellent work. Top class👍🏽
This was a thrilling ride! I am no captain, but I would have returned to the departure airport if it took 40 mins to decide whether to continue or not, given the grave failure of even the PFD going out like that. No financial loss is worth risking lives.
Green Dot Aviation's documentaries are starting to feel more and more on par with NatGeo's Air Crash Investigation series.
Really impressed with how much the quality has improved🔥🔥
18:01 “Naturally, the passengers were keen to continue to Budapest.”
I don’t know, if I had just spent several minutes in a completely darkened airplane, I think I’d want to get back on the ground ASAP.
I have to appreciate and thank you for the level of your pronunciation of english language. For me as non-english with base knowledge it's very nice so even viewers like me can understand the whole text.
Your videos beat all the air crash investigation episodes I use to watch keep up the great work
bro the production quality and attention to detail are going way way up, i notice ALL of it. i'm so impressed, I hope it's worth it for the effort for you!
Wow that’s a terrible situation. Never hear of this incident. Thanks for covering it!
I am very surprised that the captain of a BA flight did not choose to return to Heathrow. In my opinion he seriously risked endangering the lives of all passengers.
But the radio wasn't working so returning could have caused a huge tragedy since they had no way of contacting air traffic control in Londons busy air space
did you watch the video?@@liamcollinson5695
@@liamcollinson5695 @liamcollinson5695, there are standard procedures for any aircraft that loses communications. (In av'n called "NORDO" procedures, and it's an emergency in controlled airspace.) ATC and the Flight Crew will both recognize PDQ that their outgoing trans'ns are not heard.
At that point the pilot's 1st duty is the *safety of his aircraft* , d-mn the dense air-traffic over Heathrow becoming a dog's breakfast. So...
ATC SOP -- communicate w/ all (other) traffic and clear the affected aircraft's path. (Yes, ATC still has primary radar. Not used much, but it shows the loc'n of the affected aircraft.) Flight crew SOP -- know that ATC is conducting NORDO procedures and clearing any path they choose. Pick their favourite runway. Land safely and thank the passengers for flying Air-Fritz as they file out.
(Whew, too long. I advise you not to read this.)
16:13 No windshield heating on captain's side, no cabin temp control, no ventilation for the cockpit avionics ...
Then one of my major concerns, would be the raising temperature in the electronics bay under the cockpit.
You don't want to continue the flight with a potentially overheating electronics bay!
I'm not sure if they knew about that though?
The work this site has done to inform me of the various events, specifically outside of the US, has been an eye opener and incredible resource as I personally hone in my airbus knowledge as an active pilot in the type. Thank you.
You’ve single handedly made me apply for pilot and air traffic controller training, hopefully things work out and some day I’ll have a job in aviation
Great to hear! Keep going ✈️
I have an important meeting tomorrow that I should be preparing for... but I NEED to watch this now.
😂😂
Why is that so relatable
@@Jackamodude1 --- He's taking an evening flight to the meeting?
Don't worry, your probation officer will understand.
@trent3872 Sadly, your mother was less understanding of me being late.
Each video is better than the last. Really impressive, man. Well done.
its been sometime since i watched this channel, and let me tell yah the quality has CHANGED ridiculously. It has improved so much. You are one talented man, Green Dot Aviation.
When you see that Green Dot Aviation has uploaded a new video you know the day can’t get any better
Thanks for another fascinating video.
Good to see an in depth video of an incident that didn’t end in tragedy. Please do more of these as it sets you apart from the competition.
quality of videos have improved so so so much, every upload has been an absolute joy to watch ❤
15:12 this is a really pleasant graphic.. i like the color scheme and the subtle glow to the vectors gives it some life
Passengers sitting by the windows were treated to excellent views of the distinctive London City skyline. They then flew over Clacton, nuff said.
That's funny 😂 I know both places well.
can’t sleep (too excited for my first day of work tomorrow) and now i’ve got an even better reason to be awake!! thanks green ❤❤
Hope it’s a fun job! Tell us how it goes👍
A320 pilot here: really well done man. I've been following your channel for a couple years and I must commend you on your informational accuracy, can particularly vouch for Airbus aircraft. Keep it going bud!
Thanks so much! Great to hear coming from someone who flies professionally 🙏🏼
Question: With the failure of WHC 1, autothrust and some other systems what BUS powers these? According to what I’ve read WHC 1 is controlled by DC BUS 1. If TR1 had failed then shouldn’t DC BUS 1 be powered by the DC BAT BUS?
You really are my favorite TH-cam account rn man. You and SEA have the best production. Thank you
Airbus is notoriously fly-by-wire. There's no telemetry stream that maintenance could have viewed?!
I watch a few other airplane disaster channels and their content in terms of professionalism is at a similar level as yours. However what absolutely kicks ass is your intro. It kind of mentally prepares the viewer to see a really scary story. I love it!
You know its a good day when G.D.A uploads. Thanks for the high quaility videos, keep it up!
Your way of explaining is amazing, I'm subbed to this channel for a good while now and the production values are really good, What i love about this channel is those cases where you never hear about. Really good job!!
Glad you like them!
First I've heard about this one. Doesnt have to end in a fireball for it to be interesting to us aviation geeks! Keep up the good work.
My husband and I wait eagerly for each "green dot" to come out, so we can try to watch it.. but end up falling asleep. Something so soporific about this dude and his videos. Love it.
"Heh, heh ... good evening ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking ... does anyone have a flashlight?"
"Oh ... and a cell phone?"
"And one more thing ... anyone have any ideas about whether or not we should try to land a disabled aircraft?"
This was in 2005
In 2005 few people had phones and if they had, most phones did not have flashlight
@@pochopspwrong
@@pochopsp I had a cellphone back in 2005 and it had a camera and colored display although I'm always lagging when it comes to technology, all the people I knew had cellphones for years back then! Only smartphones were missing, it was not the Titanic times, and there were no dinosaurs roaming the earth!
@@mofleh177 We're not talking about dinosaurs here. We're saying cellphones that had a torch were not common at all.
the animations for this vid is actually madddd,when i saw the start of the vid i was speechless
Happy days! Will watch immediately. Keep up the fantastic work. 🙌 👏 Watching from Kildare.
Enjoy it! 🇮🇪
Green Dot, you are my fav aviation channel. For multiple reasons, but one of them is your voice is perfect for this-dont get tired listening.Cheers from Norway
Omg the exterior of the plane looks suuuuuuper realistic 😮
My fav channel. Only one i'm WAITING for an upload of. I love your stuff dude thanks for giving us some time to relax and enjoy your videos.
Last time I was this early Green dot, Wyngx and Air crash investigation all uploaded a video at the same time!
I have subscribed to this channel a while ago. It has been been improving non-stop from upload to upload and it really shows! Great job!
I honestly love your videos I have watched every singe one of them multiple times
When I was younger I had the biggest phobia of flying. Absolutely terrified me. You'd think watching videos about things going wrong on planes, sometimes crashing wouldn't help me fear. But you'd be wrong. 16 now, Absolutely love flying. Everything about it, the science, the engineering, the procedures. Largely due to this channel. Always makes me happy to see that I've got a new video to watch.
Glad it turned out ok. I'd have more easily understood the decision to continue if the weather had been better, but since the weather was marginal... I don't know if I'd have continued that landing.... but on the flip side the delay ultimately gave them time for visibility to improve so.. 😂😂
WE LOVE GREEN DOT AVIATION!!! best channel ever like actually this guy is the best storyteller ever. much love keep it up!
These productions have reached cinematic levels!!! Popcorn ready let’s go 🎉😂
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Quality just keeps getting better and better
Love to see it!!
They way my mind relaxes the moment i hear the GDA Intro
I’ve been watching for almost a year now, and I have to say this is brilliant. It makes me want to become a pilot in some strange way.
great production value for such a young channel 👍
Comparing your early videos and your newest videos is like night and day. Absolutely incredible 👍
Its crazy how this is free to watch!! Thank you!
The way GD aviation literally drops this peak of a documentary after my tv broke
peak shit man keep going
Said I'd come on and check if there was any new Green Dot videos up....uploaded 11 minutes ago, delighted 🙌
Enjoy it!
Flying back to the UK from Warsaw. The 737-800 landed at Modlin (Warsaw) and the passengers exited the aircraft.
Whilst we were waiting to board, one of the cabin crew began shining a torch near the rear door of the jet?
An engineer, after checking the aircraft decided to cancel the flight. We were all lead through border security and our passports were stamped again with the Modlin Warsaw arrival stamp.
We had to wait for twenty hours until another flight was arranged to take us back to the UK.
Safety was of course paramount and we were all glad to get safely back home.
But, I always wondered what was wrong with the aircraft?
Is there a flight (engineers) log that a passenger could check for a cancelled/delayed flight?
No
No unless you email the airline directly
Amazing videos bro you bring a smile every time I see your notification ❤
Happy to hear that!
Finally a new video, I was sick of rewatching old videos.
I will get good sleep tomorrow, Thanks Green Dot Aviation.
Whenever I see a green dot aviation video drop I feel happy for some reason lol
The quality and sound design has taken a huge leapp
A scary scenario indeed. Had the fault occurred at a critical moment, like on final approach using instruments only, it could well have been a disaster. The crew and passengers were lucky indeed.
What it doesn’t mention is the fact that they were “tankering” fuel. Once the electrics had come back on line, the situation didn’t justify an emergency landing, so they had the choice of holding over Brasso for about an hour and a half or using that time to transit to Budapest. In that time the weather at LHR was due to deteriorate too and they would still have had to descend through cloud. Both BA and the CAA supported the Captains decision.
the production quality has gone up an insane amount even in just the last year, amazing work always a good time watching these
Another great video out, keep up with the great work 👏🏻👍🏻
Your videos help me with my air accident and incident (plane crash) research. I had no idea this one even happened! New one for my notes! Seriously, nothing on it on Wikipedia! Thank you!
"BABE! Green Dot Aviation has posted a new video... cancel our plans"
ffs
I know these videos take a lot of time and effort to make, and i hope one day you can have a large team of people working with you so we can enjoy more frequent uploads :)
please make a video about the mid air collision between flight BTC2937 and DHX611
Will cover that at some point
@@GreenDotAviation thank you so much you know your videos are so rich with interesting information really nice content keep it up
Your cinematography has improved so much, well made my guy!
I never bought merch from any TH-camr but boy if you ever drop some, I'll buy it, trust n believe.
Thanks for the idea!
This channel and Mentor Pilot are my current favourite channels! I actually got to see a demonstration of something talked about in a video because of the planes that sometimes fly overhead very close, makes the loud plane noises less infuriating because I get to say to myself "ooh is that a Cessna???" "Oh wow a private jet!" "Oh look low to ground turbulence look at the plane wobble before landing!"
I live about a mile from the airfield that Boultbee operate from, as a result I get to enjoy Spitfires flying over my house a few times a week. Never considered it annoying, not even once! It's a privilege to witness warbirds in their natural environment.
Dropped EVERYTHING to immediately watch a Green Dot video!!!!
The quality of the video is so good! Good job, love your videos ;)
when there is a video on green dot aviation, its a good day !
An excellent example of how flight crews remain under management pressure. I remember back in the early days of my flying career flying with a captain who related an instance with his previous airline where he had elected to overrule the computer-generated fuel plan on several occasions based on his knowledge of holding times at a popular tourist destination.. he arrived for duty one evening to be advised by ops that he wouldn't be flying the trip and would be needed for a meeting in the morning. He was asked why he was choosing to carry the extra fuel.. it increases the weight, burning more fuel.. more costs to the airline. His focus was safety, theirs.. sitting safely at home. was accountancy.