The March of History: Mises vs. Marx - The Definitive Capitalism vs. Socialism Rap Battle
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- Is history marching inevitably towards centrally planned socialism, as Karl Marx proclaimed? Or is the best path to continued progress and expanding prosperity liberal, democratic capitalism as recommended by Ludwig von Mises? Learn more at misesvsmarx.aier.org
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we can all agree on one thing: half of this video was good
Edit: thanks for the likes, nowadays i'm a communist but i don't really think this video is a true example of my beliefs, well.. bye bye! ❤
The capitalism part was good
The good part was pretty good imo
As an anarcho cap I liked the entire video
Haha, I loved this video. Good points on both ends.
@@calanmcshane554 I agree
The market demands more rap battles like this.
I can pay for it!
As much as I hate it, I cannot censor you
This actually made me lol
Lol
The cooperation demands more ideas like this
Imagine having a very different opinion on such a subject with your friend, and not letting it divide you. ❤️
Darkeyes of the world unite!
EXACTLY UNITE DESPITE DISAGREEMENTS!!!
My friend is a minarchist and I’m a demsoc, haha
I don't have commie friends.
I do
Surprisingly, with having none of them cut in between each other and with great points, proof, and quick deliverance that also rhyme, this is probably the theoretical ideal form of debate humanity could only dream and never achieve.
Issue is only one provided actual statistics and data to back his point up The other only pander to emotions and false morality
@@blakeh9231 Now which one is which.
@@Cyborg_Lenin That's exactly what I was wondering lmao
@@blakeh9231 Obviously, one is the one who is right and the other is wrong
Otherwise known as the dispute of the blind with the deaf
from now on: every political debate has to be done through a rap battle.
😂😂😂
I would sign that petition so fast lol
I agree.
+1
@@Coolsomeone234 Theres lots Discussion to have.
I warmly reocmmend 'Is Capitalism even Efficient?!'
by 'Second Thought',
as well as the Times he and the TH-camr Some More News talked about
Workers, Worker-Rights and Unions.
I'm feel alittle dumb to admit that it took me awhile to realise that Marx and Mise are played by the same guys who bought the tickets.
Most of people also don't saw it.
Me to kid
Same
@Mr. Tambourine Man same same
Well it was preaty obvius for Mises but the marx beard can be problem
In case anyone is wondering, the books referenced here are as follows:
"Capital" By Thomas Piketty
"The Road to Serfdom" By Friedrich Hayek
Pikettt of course isn't a Marxist. He's a social democrat, a reformist capitalist.
my boy Tommy P
Gotta love free enterprise
*Serfdom
Leftist:"So capitalism is diabetes"
Also leftist: *proceeds to eat the candy*
Leftists are fat and gay unlike rightists who are fat and straight
😂
look we want diabeties man
So this is the generation that learns social ideologies from rap battles
Meh who cares. Whatever works. If a youtube rap battle is what gets people intrested in the systems around them then I don't see what's so bad about that.
The only stupid thing is when people only listen to the rap battles and stop at that but I feel like anyone who wants people to follow a system they believe in eventually realizes that you can't expect them to always read a buch of dry boring theory. You have to get good at convincing people and rewording all that theory and philosophy into words they can actually understand without spending years in college. This is already done with science so I don't see what's so wrong with doing the same with politics as long as it's done well.
The problem is that most of the time it isn't done well.
ERB
It's a pity, but it does work.
It's better to have idiots educated through rap battler than uneducated idiots.
Yeah the “free” public schooling might be catching up to us
lol I laughed really hard when I saw ops post.
@@noname-zp1yh The problem is that just the basic concept that socialism and communism are the same is fundamentally flawed.
If you want fake news, the fact that they call carl marx a socialist instead of a communist is fake news.
My friends : do you only listen to classical music or what ?
Me: no I also listen to rap sometimes
Them : Oh yeah who?
Me : it's complicated...
You a Tim Pool Fan?
@@isaiahoconnor8236 no
@@Gabriel-dk5db LOL , He just says "Its complicated" almost every video LOL :)
Gabriel - this is so on point for me as well lol
@@isaiahoconnor8236 who the fuck is tim pool?
At now I watched this for like 20+ times. When I see this video first time I just think ''what is this, economist rap battle?'' I thought it was strange and creative, so I went to check it out.This video has many of my favorite part like the melodies, sentences, and many parts of speech. And there are a lot of parts that I don't understand as well too, because I'm not someone who follows or studies much about economics. But it's still good for me. But after this time I watched, It's just not only about conflict of capitalism and socialism. This sentence is actually the turly question to ask for humanity development ''Where are we going? What's the right course? What will motivate us? Incentives or force?''
Keep studying. Each segment has different concepts that you can look up as well as different economists referenced. In particular the part about labor theory of value being disproven by (Eugen) von Bohm Bawerk is something people should learn.
Mises was really on to something there.
My advice is don't get caught up in internet politics. Read books from the two sides, learn about economics (even tackle Marx's Das capital if you can??).
Marx's ideas are clearly misrepresented here. I don't blame the video, it's already hard to try it.
"You kicked down the door, but you locked us out"
That's uh... that's not how doors work lol
Rhythm needs to be on line
@@jonahshevtchenko7356 no it's because marx was an idiot
if he knew how doors work, he wouldn't be communist.
The next presidential debate should be held like this
I'd be down
There's no leftwing party in the US, only elitist central & righwing bourgeoisie on the top. And capitalist lobbiers
@Dim real leftists are against the elitist Stalinist style bureaucratic states and reactionary party dictatorship. You dammed idiot!
Im gonna watch it in the heartbeat
@Dim No i no mentioned ur murica. i want a change my own country corrupted rightwing vietnam. how dare you
As a capitalist pig I must accept that
“Doesn’t that sound laisez Unfaire”
It’s pure fire
Laisez-Unfaire, you missed the pun...
Laissez-Faire is basically the Marxist version of Capitalist (in that it's the most free version. Contrary to opinions, Marxism systemically doesn't incorporate big government, though of a transition of Capitalism-->Marxism can, and often times does end in that.
@@vinnyvin4287 Marxism? Free? Yikes.
@@vinnyvin4287 While I can agree that a true communist society as Marx described has never been fully implemented, that's because the nations that have attempted it can never seem to get past the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" phase.
@@jasonterry1959 Marxism is a free ideology, though ofc it has problems (like incentives to work), and is violent (as in, demands violence for it to even work).
@@therabbi9848 Fair, of course, there is flaws within Marx's theories, especially in the transition phase, and some major problems in the phase of governance (like the incentive to work, and how to re allocate resources without price [a system of valuation] to direct value to).
Ironically if you have ever read marx's he was fine with capitalism at the start but has out growing its usefulness and he said capitalism is a step to socialism.
Yeah I've noticed that while he was extremely anti-capitalistic, he did see some positives of capitalism and thought that it was good for setting up the conditions for communism.
@@flatarthur3161 its because to him capitalism was bad but not as bad as Feudalism.
@@thenotsodiscretewolf2098 I know and I agree that capitalism is a better system than feudalism but there is still the element of class domination and so capitalism must go.
@@flatarthur3161 OK? What is your point ? Ever since the start of humanity there were always classes. From strong to weak, kings to peasant and finally rich to poor. No matter how you look at it people will always want to be better than others.
Because we are humans imperfect in every way possible.
@@paeanaitoko7019 Class society wasn't always a thing.
Finding out about mises through Twitter and TH-cam instead of schools is what's wrong with everything
🎯
We didn't even talk about Adam Smith in the school I was.
Communists control the schools
Corporatist state schooling won't teach anything that's different.
@@Gewalt1984 Facts.
Never had so much fun seeing German's debate economics
@Xeta Only in terms of citizenship - he didn't view himself as a German. Jews, even atheist Jews, view themselves as a separate ethnicity which doesn't even belong to the white/Caucasian group (in their own categorization, cos at least the Ashkenazi Jews look pretty white to me).
@The industrial revolution was a disaster Best country ever is debateable. Germany sure brought to the world a lot of progression, but so did another countries. I don't think we should pick a best one.
@@martinledermann1862 he didnt even see himself as a jew thus his antisemitism in "the jewish questions"
@@TheAvos18 Don't you confuse the religious identity with the ethnic one here? As far as I know, Marx was opposed to Judaism, and that's not the same as being Anti-Semitic - that's just being an atheist ;)
@@martinledermann1862 "they" cant decide what it is either... technically there cant be an atheist jew, so it must be racial, not religious...
Ah yes TH-cam comments. the place for only the most ‘intellectual’ discussions.
Like yours.
Malekith eh. I just come here to watch arguments. Although I haven’t been in this comment section in about a month.
Canuck Of bruh what about that comment then??
Blurg96 wdym? I’m a shitposter bruh. This comment isn’t even a discussion or ‘intellectual’. It’s just a dry remark about TH-cam comments in most cases. I didn’t think I would have to explain that but apparently I do.
Canuck Of bruh that’s fine but what about that comment?
“So capitalism is diabetes” Regardless of what you believe, that line is actually kinda funny 😂
*...and communism is starvation... :V*
EDIT: clownbread nerd here corrected me on typo 👇
@@HANKSANDY69420 let me guess, you're an 11 year old hispanic kid that only repeats what your parents say about politics
@@HANKSANDY69420 communism* Why the hell would it be? Are you just joking?
@@Eliamaniac *Are you a Russian?*
@@HANKSANDY69420there were many different places and situations, for example in Poland after war many people had opportunity to eat meat on daily basis in contrast to pre war villages.
As a Chinese who isn't even allowed to discuss whether capitalism or socialism is better on China's social media apps, I love how the comments argue so much here
Of course socialism is better, what is there to discuss? Unless you are a foreign agent using TH-cam here.
@@user-ez8le1rp3x no it isn’t. Literally any coherent reading of history or economics proves you wrong.
@@ExPwner You mean the american history textbook? Give me a favour and sod off ya looney.
@@user-ez8le1rp3x nope I mean the actual historical failure of socialism. 😂
@@user-ez8le1rp3x socialism is better
And also Socialism failed everytime in history 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol idiots
"Yeah, I read theory"
The theory:
Exactly. Why the hell Marx sounds like typical Marxist-Leninist dictator from American propaganda?
@Діма Базалюк о, прошу прощения, я забыл добавить "из американской пропаганды".
@@RedWanderer26 the video is american or english, what do you expect? Of course capitalism wins in their eyes, while Marx isn't even protrayed that well in comparison
@@cicciopasticciopatrozzi1907 how can u know that?
Where is Marx portrayed good? In north Korea schools
@@ShayNoMore1 actually, a lot of economists admit that he got a lot of predictions right, you shouldn't judge a person basing on the people that used his/her ideology to obtain power, Marx doesn't have anything to do with the crimes of Stalin, Pol Pot, Hoxcha and many others.
dude this is actually fire for someone who loves history and politics
i am a german sitting in here like
a yes a debate we had 100 years ago
social-market-econemy for the win! aka rheinecapitalisem ore in german Soziale-Marktwirtschaft
Fun fact, the Nazi party was a nationalist socialist party. Socialism is the cause and philosophy of Hitler’s rise. So before you decide that socialism is a great idea, I just think about World War II for a moment. Thank you for reading this.
@@grantreigel1852 Ah, yes, how democratic the Democratic People's Republic of Korea happens to be...
Lol
@@grantreigel1852 what?! Do you now, that big corporations in Germany supported Hitler, and after his revolution the business owners saved their companies? Yep, socialism. Learn history
It is really really really the most perfect "rap battle", "discussion", and "compossibility" I have ever seen.
The Keywords Rich, Poor, Incentive and Capitalism all got covered repeatedly by 'Some More News'
Capitalism can be fixed enough to not gen0cide the species, i think, but why settle for that? I became a socialist after i reailized its lied about a lot and that gave me flashbacks to the theory of evolution A thing mighty-much lied about
this shit is ass, crazy how much better the erb one is
When two Germans argue, the world always trembles.
😂😂😂
i thought mises was austrian
@@melissareohorn7436Yes, he was. Still an Ethnic German, though. Austrian is a nationality.
@@GaryHFieldOh dear. This sounds familiar.
@@theaveragejoe___ just because Hitler said it doesn’t mean it has to be wrong. He was also a vegetarian, but that doesn’t invalidate vegetarian theory.
@@user-lz2ee4ch2n I never said it was wrong.
The dislikes are people who can’t handle their side being criticized
Or those who dont like marxism proselytized to our youth.
@@SeanPS What do you mean? Marx got slaughtered in this...
@@a_noob559 they both had powerful arguements. Your opinion of slaughtering is objective. I happen to agree with you though. I just think the best thing Marx can do for history is be forgotten.
@@SeanPS True, that's just _my_ opinion, and others might think differently. But I still think that this video does a very good job at showing who is right. Mises uses facts, evidence, history, and bases his ideas on logic. Marx, however, bases his ideas on feelings, utopia and disproved theories. That pretty accurately represents the two ideologies IRL if you ask me. Those who see fact will say Mises won, and those who see fiction will say Marx won, just like real life.
No, our solution is not to forget Marx. We should disprove him instead. We've tried forgetting Marx, but he will always be re-discovered by the selfish and gullible, which is why we need to prop him up instead, so that we can tear him down. We need to make sure that everyone knows who Marx was, and how his ideology fails not because it was never 'real' socialism, but because his ideas are fundamentally flawed. It would be better for us to put him in the spotlight, if anything.
@@a_noob559 he is in the spotlight. In our universities, in our media, in our presidential candidates, etc. But I agree with your consensus of sunlight being the best disinfectant. At the same time, as capitalists we love using facts and logic, unfortunately others have forsaken reason for madness.
"Did I drive tanks at tiananmen square?" What tanks? Nothing bad EVER happened at tiananmen square.
are you denying that china shot up hundreds to thousands of students to advance to tiananmen square on june 4th 1989?
@@lucaadams-agresti3124 Oh no, I certainly know that happened and I am definitely on Mises side, it's just that the Chinese have so hopelessly tried to cover it up I find it quite funny.
Joshua Hieter ohh, it was satire, sorry my bad
People are not gonna take this well lol
R/whooooosh
I want to start a petition to switch from debates to rap battles in politics.
Theres lots Discussion to have.
I warmly reocmmend 'Is Capitalism even Efficient?!'
by 'Second Thought',
as well as the Times he and the TH-camr Some More News talked about
Workers, Worker-Rights and Unions.
@@nenmaster5218 spam! Absent Thought is propaganda
@@ExPwner
@James Adams Okay all the Videos you Recommend are Capitalist Propaganda
@@marrowkaiproductions7053 no they are not. They are fully sourced from reputable sources. Quit lying.
@@ExPwner Second thought cites actual sources instead of just a book with 10,000 sales
"If you want a better world, see the unseen, even carbon will bend to creative destruction" - pure gold
Get your head outta the clouds
It’s true though. Unleash the wisdom and creativity of the market and watch the whole world turn green.
@@gypster2004 we already could be had the Hippies not killed the Nuclear movement.
Well..
Honestly creativity Is EXACTLY what we need.
I already have major ideas.
1. Return of nuclear powerplant use alongside dearmament of Nuclear weapons for further energy.
2. Investment into other powerplants for electricity.
3. Investment into cheaper electric engines for cars with changed social norms
4. Air-cleaners mounted on every vehicle.
@@yeboxxxchannel2505 For your opinion to matter and your plans to be well-thought-out you ofcourse need knowledge. Like what cilmate-change-youtubers and the infrastructure-videos by "Some More News" and "Edencity" provide and offer
Feudalists: allow us to introduce ourselves-
Capitalist: *pays for the gun and bullets*
Socialist: *shoots the feudalist*
Thomas takes a toll for the dark I’d shoot the socialist before the feudalist actually
@Mike Hawk this is why Socialists are still a thing
@Mike Hawk oh you are, but when you push something down it'll just sprout back up harder
If I payed for that gun I'm the one shooting both of them
Well... that's actually what happened, you know... the bourgeoisie paid for the weapons but the working class fought the revolution basically
Regardless of which side you agree with, this is what the country needs. I didn't hear one personal shot at either man, it was all based on ideas, the good and bad. We've lost the willingness to respectfully disagree.
I love how the left and right always point at one another that they are the first to get mad or something while in reality both sides are fucking retarded when it comes to this.
I haven't
@@thetrain47539 so you are saying that everything economic is retarded, all left and right mean is communism and capitalism
@@diobrando6162 You might wanna reread that comment, smart ass.
@Andrew Cox k. But I never stated an opinion. All I did was say that the left and right are both impulsive and both cant seem to have a civil discussion. So why are you trying to discuss capitalism with me? You don't even know my stance on the political spectrum. All you did was see a critizism of the right wing and see it as a direct insult and felt the need to debate me on it.
Thank you big time for this video, the script is perfect, I love almost every line :)
The big problem is that lies are most powerful than truth. The simple lies captivate while the complicated truth confuse
Capitalists and communists can hopefully agree on one thing, this video is fun
Fax
same lmao
@The Communist Channel Hi comrade
@The Communist Channel ;)
Agreed comrades
Its like Epic Rap Battle of History with much more information.
I find this to be much better, as the one ERB did with Stalin and other soviet guys was pretty lackluster
Same editor.
Sentry Buster Well yeah, ERB is just as hominem fallacies with some subtle historical facts
Colin Schwiethale Oh ok I see
@@colinschwiethale2375 insults aren't ad hominem
Can anyone tell me where I've seen red letters in that font before? (where they spelled Marx)
I feel like it's from some hit movie poster about Nazis or something.
as it should, he with immael kant really are the devils plucking the puppets strings
Bro dude straight up said: "Capitalist days are numbered."
My man USSR is 6 feet under for 30 years now.
erm actually USSR wasnt real socialism/communism
@@miner_farmYeah, like Lenin wasn’t a real socialist, Marxist-leninism isn’t real. It’s like Pol Pot, he was taught communism directly by the French communist party leaders, but man trust me, it wasn’t real communism😂.
You guys have hard time admitting when all proof are against you.
@@miner_farm Just like Cuba, Venezuela ECT ECT the list goes on 😂 it isn't the fact that real socialism has never been tried, it's just always failed 😂😂😂
"You can't gamble our future on Anarchy!"
Peter Kropotkin would like to know your location
Communism With American Characteristics indeed
Bread Santa says smash the state
@@Erl0sung Anarchy of production? That's literally what Anarchism is all about. Horizontal production. Anarchy doesn't mean "no rules" it means "horizontal" making is effectively synonymous to "no rulers" as much as "no rulees." It's like the song of the United Front: "He wants no servant under him and no boss over head." Anarchist theory is literally all about horizontal production and the different ways that it could be done.
@Marxist Garveyist There's dozens of us, dozens!
If everything is horizontal, then who will enforce the rules?
Ok, “laissez unfair” is actually an awesome pun TBH.
Brian I was so impressed with that line
+
So a free market enthusiast came with that term 'laissez unfair". It's no news since the left can't meme.
Andi Lole man shut up the right just makes the same 3 jokes about gender and starvation lmao
@@nairb2173 why are you angry? Second. It's a free world and I can say whatever I want about the left. So don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Hmm, "So, capitalism is diabetes?" Well, personally id take managing type 2 diabetes over starvation any day. Just sayin...
Video's not bad but the videos with Poor, Rich, Incentive, and System in the Name by TH-camr Some-More-News sure hit harder
I can't belive that my one of most favourite song in my playlist is rap about economies.
Theres lots Discussion to have.
I warmly reocmmend 'Is Capitalism even Efficient?!'
by 'Second Thought',
as well as the Times he and the TH-camr Some More News talked about
Workers, Worker-Rights and Unions.
@@nenmaster5218 bot
@@Angov4321 Saying that to me literally can only prove 1/2 things: Either youre really mentally-slow so you didnt realize how much sense it makes to talk to a robot OR you dont really believe it.
What if the real socialism was the friends we made along the way
Edit: Some of y'all don't realize this is a joke
Yes
No
Yes
MMMM YES COMMUNISM CRUSH ME WITH THE STATE DADDY~~~!!!!!
@@wolfskrieg6630 no
I love the rap, but am I the only one who doesn't like the autotune refrain?
eh it grows on you after a while
@@UltraRik when will all these non Mises stuff grow on me?
@@workerspower2011 what did you dislike so much about it
I just skip that part
@@workerspower2011 Why do you care if we enjoy it? Go listen to something else? And by 'real rap', what do you even mean? Not all rap is about doing drugs, doing crimes, and women. Try and get some diversity in your diet
I'm from Poland and for me it's unimaginable that american people may imagine themselves "a cultural debate between capitalism and communism". Communism is not good, and there's no diffrent answers. It's idealogy of crime.
In Poland it's easier to understand that becauase we had "great communism system" after II World War, and guess what, it didn't work. Apart from that communism killed a lot of Poles and ruined our country.
Hence when I see videos like this where is a debate beetwem capitalism and communism it pisses me of
It was not communism lmao. Communism doenst even have a State/government
What really happend after world war 2, Poland became a popular democracy (going towards socialism). But after Stalin's death, USSR became a social-imperialist state. Then, many of eastern bloc became USSR's colonies (including Poland).
Real Socialism brought many good things to the people.
@@xnnoah Yeah, "it was not real communism!", if you knew better polish and european history you would never say things like this. It doesn't matter whether it was real communism, or not, The most crucial fact is that t h e y killed a lot of people, more than Hitler, and why did they do it? Because they were influenced by Marx.
@@mioszjaroszewicz9146 What kind of heresy did you just say? What did the USSR do to you so bad? Rebuilt the country from the ruins after the Nazis, built houses, roads, schools, hospitals? Are you seriously so brainwashed that you compare the USSR with the Nazis?
Read the history of Auschwitz
Kringe gave out, bro
@@MrFox-jr1iq the USSR was worse killing millions more. Read about the purges, the famines, the Holodomor, the gulags, etc.
I keep learning more and returning to find new angles of brilliance in this rap battle. So good. Well done guys
Capitalists and Socialists let's agree,we all like sleeping
We can also agree on another thing: mitochondrion is the powerhouse of the cell.
capitalists and socialists can agree,
Facism sucks.
My capitalist and socialist homies agree that Minecraft's the best game of the decade.
не бывать этому никогда
he brings up a good point..
"Real Marxism hasn't been tried!"
*Throws rich guy off balcony*
based
based as fuck
Real marxist shoot them
Based
What does "based" mean?
What an amazing production. Everything about it is pristine. This is the best music video Ive seen in a long while!
I didnt realize till the second time that the friends watching were the same actors for mises and marx
Wait i don’t know that :))
Who won?who's next?you decide!
I can't believe EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME somebody goes how about we try it communism again I know we starved the last 7 times but I won't mention that to the public.
Pretty sure mises did
Not a communist, neither a Capitalist. I am currently devloping a new manifesto mixed of Communism, Monarchy, Capitalism, and some economic stuff from fascism. I will try to bring up an revolution. To make a better place. To stop killing, rape, etc... The name of that ideology is
“CoFaDemocracy”(kinda weird I know). Don't worry I'm not a gore leader lol 😁. Wish me luck peeps!
Soon brother
@Michael Terrell II Yeah Racism is a no no brother. I've avoided that because if I did that, It'll be a doomed ideology same as Fascism...
Zabir Alam Farhan that’s really cool tell me when your done.
Am I the onlybone that realized that in the chorus, when the capitalist sings an individual voice sings and when the socialist sings, a whole chorus sings???
Yep, I noticed that too. Also, the chorus sings the soviet anthem.
Peio Ruiz I loved that, it’s really beautiful
It's to mimic the patriotic songs of communist countries
I think it's to represent Individualism and Collectivism.
@@lab2146 when??
3:40 India saved by capitalism? Tell me another joke
@@user-qt4tz3kv1t Good one!! XD
@@user-qt4tz3kv1t LMAO
@@user-qt4tz3kv1t 5 cent army trooper detected
India was heavily affected by mercantilism not capitalism that is what bankrupted them and left them in such a poor state but Communists currently run one of the largest terrorist groups in India the naxalites
Lmao remember 1991 economic liberalisation by chadmohan singh
I have seen this like 10 times, its too addicting i cant stop myself from not seeing it.
Monarchist: allow us to introduce ourselves
Allow us to introduce our inbreeding
@@nickdimopoulos4052 quite nice is it
Hail the king!!!
Well, socialism always devolves in a sort of monarchy
@@aklimaron7398 tell that to the tzars
I just realized that marx and mises are played by the guys watching the battle
@Anakin Skywalker thanks
I did too
Me too ahahhaha
It took me sec lol i got with face but crap remembering names 😭
Discovered this gem many years ago. Great interview with Tom Woods!
😍Where’d you get the jewelry from??
Marx complains about being blamed for violence he didn't commit (at Tiananmen Square) and then not long after that he attacks a guy and throws him off the balcony.
@SlimyKlerburt yeah, problem is that under socialism you break egg but inside is stolen by goverment.
@SlimyKlerburt ř?
Marx was not a pacifist. He objects to being blamed for shit he didn't do, not to being misrepresented
@@bobgilbert1953 If I teach children to murder and they go out and murder am I to blame for them doing so did I not teach them to do this should I not be held accountable for my actions and words
@@michaelkeha Sure, but A, Kapital is a thousand page treatise on economics, written in Russian. It is not for teaching children. It's too dense for most *adults* to finish. And B, Socalism is not inherently violent. So, your argument fails on both it's faces.
I was the ticket seller girl❤️💃
Awesome! Well done.
Confirm that, I was the ticket.
Do you enjoy the show?
So, Mises or Marx?
You were the best!!!!
I think the main problem with premises of this video is reduction of Marx to economism. You cant talk about Marx without talking about Hegel, Feuerbach, dialectics and empirical positivism. Marx was not inside of economical discourse but outside of it using philosophy and talking about whole new way how to think our social world. It's apples and oranges. Probably better oponent for Marx would be Adam Smith imho.
marxis philosophy or whatever you want to call it is just derived from kant, a zombie of spiritualism and 'science' wich ignores the capacity for people to think outside of 'society' or 'genes' you lose on both grounds
Meh. Marx failed at empiricism (cherry picking facts, for instance), perverted the dialectic to a game of formulating statements "so as to be right either way", his philosophies are phantasies built upon botched conceptions of cause and effect and a selective, amateurish knowledge of history (not much of a historian), and he was never able to close the loopholes in his theory of labor value nor was he ever able to prove his law of the falling rate of profit, which is demonstrably untrue. The only thing he was good at was persuasion, but since the rest of what he had on offer was overwhelming but defective balderdash, he could only lead people into worlds of tyranny. Again and again. Highly effective persuader, an utter total abominable failure at everything else. Unable to provide for his own family, unable to manage his own finances, he was going to tell the world how it should be run. Trust me bro, I can't feed my own family but I know how to create a superadundance for the world. Trust me bro. Bro?
@@WDeeGee1 Empirical positivism was a philosophical school in 19th century France started by August Comte, I wasn't referring to inductive method as a whole. I'm not even saying that Marx's ouvre was ever complete - he laid out structures of new ways of thinking about world and relations inside of it. He was first-climber. Try to work your whole life on a couple of thousands of pages of theory that will change the world for the next 150 years and various academic disciplines - that was never the way how to make money. That was always just way how to explore and see something new. I guess dogmatic marxism today really is dead. I can't say about economics or political science, but in aesthetics and film studies (my domain) various continuation of marxism is still alive. Also in philosophy (my secondary) it is still important current. Impact on the world (both in good ways and bad ways) is undeniable.
@@eterista3868 It is true that Marx's thought was not solely economic, at least in the specialized sense that contemporary academia thinks of. On the other hand, his integration of philosophy, epistemology, methodology and social critique is just a feature of the 19th century mindset. It's not like classical liberalism lacked depth: if you go even father, you will see that, before Adam Smith, Locke was writing in teological, metaphyisical and philosophical terms when writing about property, production and even money. It is with the marginal revolution that the drift towards 'economicism' begins, more so in the works of Jevons and especially Walras. Mises, being Menger's intellectual grandson, was preocupied with both pure philosophy and catalactics (what we nowadays call economics) - something the video doesn't aknowledge.
That being said, the fact of the matter is that Marx subsumes conscience to the material, and by that he ultimately means the social relations of production (a.k.a the economy). Marx's framework, while rather sophisticated, is at its core economicist. Something that, in any case, is very dear to the modern mind. Lockean liberalism is not that different as it interperts men's god given will in relation to its economic capabilities.
What I really want to say is that, in the same way you need Feuerbach and Hegel to talk about Marx, you need Locke and Kant to understand Mises as a thinker (and Hume, if you include Hayek). This video is rather symplistic in either way.
@WDeeGee1 Your comment is like "trust me Bro"
Henceforth I'm just going to say, "Capitalism was never really tried!" anytime someone tells me it's failing.
We already kind of say that, but we word it this way: "What we have is not Capitalism, it's Corporatism"... we need to break up the major monopolies, and terminate money-based lobbying, be it by corporations or unions.
@WhatEver-xn5sn *Corporcracy, Corporatism is a completely different economic system
I think we can be man enough to say that all capitalism isn't the same. Just look at Russia and Norway, both are capitalist(I think) but have vastly different laws and levels of government control which leads to different standards of living. One capitalist country failing does not disprove the entire economic idea
@@likedebia4693 Wow so if an example doesnt't make a rule, is it possible socialism is possible even if some countries failed to emerge? 🤔
@@Eliamaniac you can think about that all you want, I think that socialism will never build a utopia, it's okay if you don't agree, just tired of seeing people trying to erease history and say that followers of their ideology aren't real followers just to try and keep a clean record, I don't think any ideology has a perfectly clean record
This rap bottle has more terms and accurate explaination than my entire political science graduation
@@decodoe i watched the video again and didn't see anywhere fascists mentioned as communist. Can you tell the time ?
@@decodoe Another genious that can't differentiate between generating wealth and capitalism. Naziosocialist Germany and (!) fascism were (in terms of economy, not racial and other policies) built on the idea of protectionst policy and self-sufficiency through mixture of private and public ownership over the means of production. Which did allowed private profits (generation of wealth) for (mostly) selected and sometimes lucky individuals in the society, however, puting national interest first. In the instance where public (nations) interest would be in the need of assistance from or directly clash with interests of private individuals. The state would prevail and if needed through the use of force towards the individuals who had accumulated wealth. The similar scenario can be seen in various examples when subjects of state (citizens) are controled by a higher entity (Emperors, Kings, Tzars, Dictators). Examples can be seen from Medival age and/or Feudal system, when Emperors, Kings and Tzars needed finances for conquest or defence, they would generate wealth through force if required, to Kulaks in Communist Soviet Union to many other examples throughout history. Therefore, Facism is not differentiated from any other dictatorial, authoritarian, totalitarian system when it comes to generating wealth, it is differentiated in social and political issues, but that's not because its driven by capitalism.
@@decodoe ayyyy, I was hoping to find someone in the comments who actually knows something about political ideologies. That makes two apparently
@@decodoe Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Mugabe and the like were socialists though.
@@decodoe fascist Is built on capitalism?no,it's built on the control of the economy by the state.it's corporativism
I loved being an extra on this!!!! It was so fun to film :)
left-wingers-are-terrorists That escalated quickly
left-wingers-are-terrorists fuck you man. Creep
@left-wingers-are-terrorists but then you'd have to pay child support.
@@darealpoopster idc I got free cake
Cum in me. Wait. I don’t think that’s how it works
I've watched this like 5 times why is this so good
Thank you for another wonderful video that teaches a lot.
8:21 not gonna lie that was pretty wholesome how they started to dance with each other
3.27: “If we are not fit to run our own lives, why would you expect our votes to be wise?”
What even are you trying to imply? Because you have material security and access to needs that you are wiser on all topics? That doesn't make sense. People trying to use their "status" as justification for their authority are boring hacks.
@@larkohiya Not at all. The reason why this phrase resonated with me, is because I interpret it like this: the highly-centralized governments (in most of the Western Democracies) are becoming ever-more-encroaching into people's lives, i.e. in effect treating them like "incompetent children who don't know how to run their lives, therefore the *state* has to do it for them".
And this then creates this "logical disconnect": you think the people are too immature to be able to run their lives, yet at the same time you expect those same people to be "wise and mature voters".
3:27
@@gintasvilkelis2544 Dude, that quote resonated with me as well, and it makes so much sense. Lazy people vote for politicians who will take care of them, as opposed to people who learn how to take care of themselves don't vote for politicians who will try to take care of them. At least, that's what I sort of got out of it.
Gintas Vilkelis Most of the voters are stupid though and vote against their own self interests. Everyone who is knowledgeable on the subject would agree with this. That’s why instead of direct democracy, we use representative democracy. A superior system where we elect representatives to represent us in Congress.
Who are the two guys that he shows on 5:35?
Jevons and Menger duh
Why everytime something big happens it always starts in Germany
Karl Marx was a german philosopher, have no doubts about that. He wanted only the best for Europe. But his ideas landed only everywhere else in the world but Europe. Seems like his ideas really worked more for the oppressed and not for the oppressors.
@@user-ez8le1rp3x his ideas did not work at all
@@ExPwner Only because of Hestapo work.
@@user-ez8le1rp3x nope they failed on their own
@@ExPwner Only if you take into account the fact of anticommunism and the lack of espionage on behalf of people's champions.
I don’t think the “tragedy, farce” argument gets the recognition it deserves. Karl Marx once said “History repeats itself first as tragedy, second as farce.”
Not sure what this means, can you use an example
Michael Schelonka “Socialism’s record isn’t hard to parse
First it was tragedy, now it’s a farce!”
Mises’ final verse
These guys killed it on integrating nerdy "easter eggs" into a hilarious music video
STFU Commie.
Ludwig von Mises oh no it’s you time to get
Socialisted
Is it just me or was this cooler than it had any business being?
where did get the funding for this its awesome
That's amazing. Was that Keynes at the end?
Capitalist looks like Howard Stark.
AUTOMATIC WIN
So true
Bo that makes sense lol
3000 points
True..And socialism is like Captain America..
Lyrics of March of History: Marx v. Mises
-Marx-
Workers of the world, assemble
It’s time for the ruling classes to tremble
I’m the people’s hero -- MVP
M, A, R, X, yeah you know me
Let’s go back to when men were free
We hunted and gathered communally
But get ready -- here comes the twist
A villain appears called a Capitalist
He puts the proletariat (that’s us) in chains
Exploits our labor and pockets the gains
Through slick ads and tricks lads and ladies in kind
Selling fake needs he poisons our hearts and minds
He rots our soul through alienation
Pursuing limitless accumulation
He works us into an early grave
Through debt steals back the money we save
Greed is the gospel
Profit: God
The rich get richer through graft and fraud
The poor get poorer but you don’t care
Doesn’t that sound laissez unfair?
200 years I’ve been singing this song
Now my chorus is 99 percent strong
The revolution’s here -- it’s time to repent
Your moment is over, your capital’s spent!
Chorus:
-Socialist-
This is history’s lesson
-Capitalist-
You think he’s right I’m gussin’?
-Socialist-
All we want is progression
Without bourgeois oppression
-Capitalist-
So we look for the truth
-Socialist-
As we tighten our boots
-Both-
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
-Mises-
Guten Tag, Marx, nice to meet ya
My name’s Ludwig: call me ‘Teacher’
The master of markets, the Austrian boss
You don’t like profits? Well let’s talk loss
The problem with your plan is nobody wins
Except Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh
Lenin, Mugabe -- remember Berlin?
They built a wall to keep their people in
Your theories have a rotten foundation
Built on control, not cooperation
Centralized power completely corrupts
Real people suffer, violence erupts
Your system depends on the very same people
You decry as greedy, bourgeois and evil
If we’re not fit to run our own lives
Why would you expect our votes to be wise?
If you really want to help people rise up
Unleash the free market: lift their lives up
It was Capitalism, not a Socialist plan
Saved billions in India, China, Japan
Everyone has a unique purpose and plan
No one solution can serve the whole land
Each individual has their own voice
The heart of my theory is freedom of choice!
Chorus:
-Capitalist-
This is history’s lesson (Socialist: Yeah right)
Let’s pursue our expression
Living free from aggression
So we look for the truth
With the freedom to choose
-Both-
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
-Marx-
Free Marketeers love to play this game
Mao kills millions, Marx gets blamed
It’s deceptive, dishonest, plain unfair
Did I drive the tanks at Tiananmen Square?
Man I’m a humanist
You can check my receipts
But you gotta break eggs if you wanna eat
Don’t like violence? Admit defeat
Then I’ll call this revolution complete
Till then, let’s get a few things straight
I’m not shaping the future, I’m embracing our fate
My utopian forebears weren’t that specific
But this analysis is highly scientific
Every social system has governing laws
Capitalism? Doomed because
The system generated its own fatal flaws
By uniting workers in a common cause
Thanks to you, we have all the wealth we need
To seize control and eradicate greed
The people are rejecting your bourgeois lies
Real Marxism has never been tried
Equality is the core of my creed
From this one’s ability to that one’s need
Our healthcare, finance, and industry
Let’s collectivize and set ourselves free
-Mises-
Your standard refrain ‘oh that’s not the real thing’
The most common verse all your followers sing
The closer we get to your ideal system
The further we get down the Road to Serfdom
The empirical record can’t be denied
Your ideas don’t work but they just won’t die
Attention: this is not breaking news
Jevons and Menger lit that fuse
Now here comes the bomb via Von Bohm-Bawerk
He blew up your system, exposed the core quirk
The heart of your theory is exploitation
Of surplus value, that’s a bogus equation
You can’t explain value by measuring the cost of labor
That theory of value has lost favor
Value is subjective by every measure
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure
There’s no exploitation if two people arrange
Voluntary exchange
Man, that’s not deranged
That bourgeois transaction you diss with a scoff
Creates benefit for both so we’re both better off
Here’s the real problem, the crucial equation
Without private markets, there’s no calculation
To coordinate courses, allocate resources, incentivize choices
Because it lacks prices
What crops should I grow?
Should this factory go?
How should I pick a J.O.(B)?
How would your planners ever know?
Your theory is a bundle of confusion
Socialism got crushed by marginal revolution
Chorus:
This is history’s lesson
All we want is progression
-Capitalist-
Let’s pursue our expression
Living free from aggression
-Socialist-
So we look for the truth
As we tighten our boots
-Both-
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
-Marx-
We’re all better off, are you kidding me Mises?
My immiseration thesis tears you to pieces
Your economy grows, but not our wages
You call that progress? I think it’s outrageous
-Mises-
In 1820 everyone was poor
Until Capitalism kicked down the door
Real wage growth, not stagnation
Saved 80% of the world from starvation
-Marx-
You kicked down the door but you locked us out
That’s what your ‘free market’ is all about
Here’s what you do: on your next shopping spree
Pick up this book by my boy Tommy P.
-Mises-
The pie can get bigger, it’s not zero sum
Free markets have lifted the lowest incomes
If you really want to help out the poorest nations
Encourage peace, trade, and immigration
-Marx-
The Earth is boiling and your solution
Is more production, more pollution?
More cheap trinkets in bigger malls
More fossil fuels, more aerosols? (Mises: Wait, what?)
For a problem this big we need total control
A green New Deal to save the North Pole
We can’t gamble the future on anarchy
Greed’s not a plan, it’s insanity!
-Mises-
Your story’s bombastic, your rhetoric’s strong
There’s only one problem: your theory’s wrong!
The wealthiest countries do the most to conserve
Haven’t you heard of the Kuznets curve?
Only wealthy societies can afford to go green
If you want a better world, see the unseen
Even carbon will bend to creative destruction
With entrepreneurship in the means of production
Chorus:
-Socialist-
This is history’s lesson
-Capitalist-
The market’s a blessin’
-Socialist-
All we want is progression
-Capitalist-
Living free from aggression
-Socialist-
So we look for the truth
-Capitalist-
With the freedom to choose
-Both-
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
-Marx-
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again
The long march of history will come to an end
Hagel was close, but too ‘a priori’
Watch me break down my dialectical story
Proletariat, bourgeoisie
Them versus us, you versus me
Slave, master, lord and serf
New class battles, same old turf
We have what we need to throw the chains off us
Organize the economy like the post office
The state takes over but that’s not the whole plan
Watch it wither away and leave Socialist man
Our goal is true fairness, outcomes that are equal
Capitalism? Over. Here’s a Socialist sequel
Revolution’s coming, prepare for the fight
Workers of the world, unite!
-Mises-
Nothing is determined, you’re so fatalistic
A grand theory of history? Be realistic!
Your failed predictions? A distraction.
Here’s some questions that guide human action:
Where are we going? What’s the right course?
What will motivate us, incentives or force?
Here’s what you miss from commanding heights
Each person’s gifts and individual rights
Across every continent, culture and creed
People have flourished only when freed
To find passion, profit, charity and love
Through the shake of a hand, not a boot from above
Socialism’s record isn’t hard to parse
First it was tragedy, now it’s a farce
Let’s unite people from every nation
In peace, exchange, and cooperation!
Nice
Thanks for taking the time to write this for us
why did you cross some words out?
@@derpanther-ingenieur8460 TH-cam censorship
@@superhond1733 but its the comment section
Why is this one not on Emergent Order's channel?
"so capitalism is diabetes"
AHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT LINE MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD
At least we don’t starve
@@RandomRothbardian
What if we had no governments AT ALL
That would be amazing if humanity could be at least somewhat peaceful afterwards
@@RandomRothbardian
RANDOM IDEAS (THAT MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE):
BRITISH RUSSIA (They have a revolution then become part of Britain)
BRAZILIAN EMPIRE COMES BACK BUT IT TAKES BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA AND YES THAT DOES MEAN THE UNITED STATES BECOMES PART OF BRAZIL
VIETNAMESE EMPIRE** (ITS ACTUALLY THE ENTIRE SOUTH PACIFIC OR ASEAN EXCEPT ITS OWNED BY VIETNAM)
THE ENTIRE WORLD STOPS SPEAKING ENGLISH AND ENGLISH GETS REPLACED WITH PORTUGUESE
@@RandomRothbardian except several thousands a year in the usa
Notice he still ate all that stuff.
Fascists: *Are we a joke to you?*
Capitalists/Communists: Ehh pretty much!!
*Edit: to all people at comments chill out i know that it refers to politics but it's just a joke!*
@Humanity Galatica How can you defend fascism? it's a system where there is no liberty...
@@agentjohn4313 Dude he is just being sarcastic none of us likes fascism it's the abvomination of human history so we at least have to meme it!
@@TEO-jo4xm you don't know, there is weird people around the internet.
@@agentjohn4313 Sure but i just don't think his comment proves that
*Gun loading sounds* XD
While I'd rather neither, I'd prefer fascism over communism.
1:39 When someone have Chips in class
3:32 When you have Chips in class
yeah, true
Lmao =))
@@cosminblk8359 There you are.... Go back in hell you imposter...
So true XD
Brilliant.
Would you add Japanese subtitles? I'm sure that this video is necessary for today's Japan. I have Japanese subtitle data for this video.
I'm not sure if this is intended, but the nodding of the audience in agreenemnt to both men when they're still rapping in the theatre makes me think there's some sort of message about either
Centrism, how most people are centrists and will likely agree to parts of both sides' arguments
or How easy it is to persuade someone in this day and age (with the internet and all)
Marx: "We can't gamble the future on anarchy!"
Kropotkin: "Well, actually..."
Proudhon, Bookchin, Stirner, Goldman, etc: Allow us to introduce ourselves
@@evelynpayne855 Based Rothbard walks into the bar
*So, guys...*
@@ferrarkumar1103 And then all of the different Anarchos start fighting and arguing with each other instead of teaming up together against their real enemy: the state.
@@hirshtveria4715 Yeah, just like always, because "reee how do you have private property without State. State is just a tool of capitalism, we don't want neither."
FAQ: WHY "ANARCHO"-CAPITALISTS ARE NOT ANARCHISTS!
Murray Rothbard: A Challenger Appears
Primitivists: Now hold on I’ve got a solution...
ooga booga?
i'm in 😏
Ever read Zerzan? Ironically enough primitivists sure do use a lot of sophisticated and technical language from anthropology and postmodern philosophy.
Grug agrees with pointy-hat-Grug
You Been watching Jreg?
Garios my boi, can we agree empire best bannerlord faction?
What tanks?
As somone who profits from capitalism I agree with capitalism
Just so you know, the makers of this video (AIER) are infamous for their support for climate change denial, anti-vaccine conspiracies, child labour sweatshops (seriously) etc, and their President William P. Ruger was nominated by Donald Trump to serve as the US Ambassador to Afganistan. They are a right-wing think tank and by absolutely no means unbiased or impartial.
@@thezeroneliteno they are not. Piss off smear merchant.
Mises: "peace exchange and cooperation" *door is kicked open* Kropotkin: "Did somebody say Cooperation?"
BASED
@Krónika Almost like the video is more concerned with rhetoric than with analyzing their philosophical positions. They have Marx say "outcomes that are equal" for chrissake.
@Krónika Because you aren't competing with a store when you buy something there.
@Krónika you can have competition and cooperation they are not as opposite as you my think, competition just means, in terms of capitalist, several companies competing to sell same or similar products and services. Cooperation just means working together to achieve a goal, I think that's the actual definition but works for capitalism, and companies are working together to strengthen the economy through the competition. It's like In the States Walmart vs Target. Yes they are in competition with each other because their both are stores that you can go in and buy stuff from their competition means they have to improve or provide better or cheaper products which in the long run helps strengthening the economy.
I think a tl:Dr example is a sports team just each person is trying to become the best, but the end goal is for your team to win and your internal competition can aid it achieve the cooperation to obtain the end goal.
@Krónika The cooperation is the biproduct of the competition. The competition creates jobs, provides products and services, and allows for growth so the cycle keeps going. I don't think I worded it properly the first time but this is not mental gymnastics. They have opposite meanings, yes but that doesn't mean that in actions their opposite. There is a load of examples that could be used to show that cooperation and competition aren't that opposite in action. I honestly think your the one that did the mental gymnastics if after my clarification just now, you don't understand or disagree with them being opposites in meanings alone.
"Lets unite all people from every nation"
Man hasn't watched Pokemon
No, no.. You're on to something. Jesse and James are most definitely socialists.
This who song is a pokemon rap battle tribute.
That's _within our_ nation, not from every nation. Also in the original Japanese Kojiro (James) says "To protect the peace of the world" (heck Musashi (Jessie) actually says "to _stand by_ the evils of truth and love")
@@ianbrooks1804 yet their boss is a captalist
@@sergiorubens8475 They're low-wage proletariat
Their boss is the capitalist
“Organize the economy like the post office”
Hahahaha our local post office is the worst!
Ask your local amazon warehouse worker who is the worst.
@4:25 I think the phrase was "you gotta break eggs to make an omelette" (Marxist apologist or Stalin?) - to which the best answer was "Where's the omelette?"
🤣
This was one of the coolest shoots I have been a part of. Tyler and Tripp killed it.
We were told to dance "but in like a antifa rioter kinda way" lol
Can you point out where you are I wanna try to find you
@SpongeBob SquarePants He meant where he was in the video...
SpongeBob SquarePants ayyyyyy i’m in tampa dawg
Amy Johnston I’m not quite sure you want to associated with such an ironically quite fascistic (at least the way they act during protests) organization that does more harm then good
Hasn't aged well though
Absolutely wonderful that they can turn a topic that is so controversial into something fun that is enjoyed by both leftists and rightists.
Rightists lmao
There's nothing controversial. Socialist countries fail every time
It's not controversial at all. Mises work is grounded on actual economic indicators. The Left is just competely economically ignorant.
@@Daily_Llama crazy take
@TheOfficialOnlyOne_1 unless you ou are a radical centrist, it's bit to the left or right
Mises won the battle
I could spend 1h in a video like this, please extend
Let's unite people from every nation
Germany: I tried it.... twice
@Herr Schütz he's in heaven
mises was ukrainian jew
@Herr Schütz nah
@Herr Schütz because God said : who ever kills Hitler goes to heaven, Hitler killed himself so yeah
they did the oppsite lmao
It took me till the end to the end to realize the rappers were them lmao
It took me until reading this comment
It took until {NULL}
Ace Dean it’s ok, me too
It took the time, until my ass woke up
Lyrics of March of History: Marx v. Mises (by Silver Mango Dragon, not me)
Marx
Workers of the world, assemble
It’s time for the ruling classes to tremble
I’m the people’s hero -- MVP
M, A, R, X, yeah you know me
Let’s go back to when men were free
We hunted and gathered communally
But get ready -- here comes the twist
A villain appears called a Capitalist
He puts the proletariat (that’s us) in chains
Exploits our labor and pockets the gains
Through slick ads and tricks lads and ladies in kind
Selling fake needs he poisons our hearts and minds
He rots our soul through alienation
Pursuing limitless accumulation
He works us into an early grave
Through debt steals back the money we save
Greed is the gospel
Profit: God
The rich get richer through graft and fraud
The poor get poorer but you don’t care
Doesn’t that sound laissez unfair?
200 years I’ve been singing this song
Now my chorus is 99 percent strong
The revolution’s here -- it’s time to repent
Your moment is over, your capital’s spent!
Chorus:
Socialist
This is history’s lesson
Capitalist
You think he’s right I’m gussin’?
Socialist
All we want is progression
Without bourgeois oppression
Capitalist
So we look for the truth
Socialist
As we tighten our boots
Both
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
Mises
Guten Tag, Marx, nice to meet ya
My name’s Ludwig: call me ‘Teacher’
The master of markets, the Austrian boss
You don’t like profits? Well let’s talk loss
The problem with your plan is nobody wins
Except Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh
Lenin, Mugabe -- remember Berlin?
They built a wall to keep their people in
Your theories have a rotten foundation
Built on control, not cooperation
Centralized power completely corrupts
Real people suffer, violence erupts
Your system depends on the very same people
You decry as greedy, bourgeois and evil
If we’re not fit to run our own lives
Why would you expect our votes to be wise?
If you really want to help people rise up
Unleash the free market: lift their lives up
It was Capitalism, not a Socialist plan
Saved billions in India, China, Japan
Everyone has a unique purpose and plan
No one solution can serve the whole land
Each individual has their own voice
The heart of my theory is freedom of choice!
Chorus:
Capitalist
This is history’s lesson (Socialist: Yeah right)
Let’s pursue our expression
Living free from aggression
So we look for the truth
With the freedom to choose
Both
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
Marx
Free Marketeers love to play this game
Mao kills millions, Marx gets blamed
It’s deceptive, dishonest, plain unfair
Did I drive the tanks at Tiananmen Square?
Man I’m a humanist
You can check my receipts
But you gotta break eggs if you wanna eat
Don’t like violence? Admit defeat
Then I’ll call this revolution complete
Till then, let’s get a few things straight
I’m not shaping the future, I’m embracing our fate
My utopian forebears weren’t that specific
But this analysis is highly scientific
Every social system has governing laws
Capitalism? Doomed because
The system generated its own fatal flaws
By uniting workers in a common cause
Thanks to you, we have all the wealth we need
To seize control and eradicate greed
The people are rejecting your bourgeois lies
Real Marxism has never been tried
Equality is the core of my creed
From this one’s ability to that one’s need
Our healthcare, finance, and industry
Let’s collectivize and set ourselves free
Mises
Your standard refrain ‘oh that’s not the real thing’
The most common verse all your followers sing
The closer we get to your ideal system
The further we get down the Road to Serfdom
The empirical record can’t be denied
Your ideas don’t work but they just won’t die
Attention: this is not breaking news
Jevons and Menger lit that fuse
Now here comes the bomb via Von Bohm-Bawerk
He blew up your system, exposed the core quirk
The heart of your theory is exploitation
Of surplus value, that’s a bogus equation
You can’t explain value by measuring the cost of labor
That theory of value has lost favor
Value is subjective by every measure
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure
There’s no exploitation if two people arrange
Voluntary exchange
Man, that’s not deranged
That bourgeois transaction you diss with a scoff
Creates benefit for both so we’re both better off
Here’s the real problem, the crucial equation
Without private markets, there’s no calculation
To coordinate courses, allocate resources, incentivize choices
Because it lacks prices
What crops should I grow?
Should this factory go?
How should I pick a J.O.(B)?
How would your planners ever know?
Your theory is a bundle of confusion
Socialism got crushed by marginal revolution
Chorus:
This is history’s lesson
All we want is progression
Capitalist
Let’s pursue our expression
Living free from aggression
Socialist
So we look for the truth
As we tighten our boots
Both
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
Marx
We’re all better off, are you kidding me Mises?
My immiseration thesis tears you to pieces
Your economy grows, but not our wages
You call that progress? I think it’s outrageous
Mises
In 1820 everyone was poor
Until Capitalism kicked down the door
Real wage growth, not stagnation
Saved 80% of the world from starvation
Marx
You kicked down the door but you locked us out
That’s what your ‘free market’ is all about
Here’s what you do: on your next shopping spree
Pick up this book by my boy Tommy P.
Mises
The pie can get bigger, it’s not zero sum
Free markets have lifted the lowest incomes
If you really want to help out the poorest nations
Encourage peace, trade, and immigration
Marx
The Earth is boiling and your solution
Is more production, more pollution?
More cheap trinkets in bigger malls
More fossil fuels, more aerosols? (Mises: Wait, what?)
For a problem this big we need total control
A green New Deal to save the North Pole
We can’t gamble the future on anarchy
Greed’s not a plan, it’s insanity!
Mises
Your story’s bombastic, your rhetoric’s strong
There’s only one problem: your theory’s wrong!
The wealthiest countries do the most to conserve
Haven’t you heard of the Kuznets curve?
Only wealthy societies can afford to go green
If you want a better world, see the unseen
Even carbon will bend to creative destruction
With entrepreneurship in the means of production
Chorus:
Socialist
This is history’s lesson
Capitalist
The market’s a blessin’
Socialist
All we want is progression
Capitalist
Living free from aggression
Socialist
So we look for the truth
Capitalist
With the freedom to choose
Both
Who’s right, who’s wrong
Left, right, left, now the march is on
Marx
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again
The long march of history will come to an end
Hagel was close, but too ‘a priori’
Watch me break down my dialectical story
Proletariat, bourgeoisie
Them versus us, you versus me
Slave, master, lord and serf
New class battles, same old turf
We have what we need to throw the chains off us
Organize the economy like the post office
The state takes over but that’s not the whole plan
Watch it wither away and leave Socialist man
Our goal is true fairness, outcomes that are equal
Capitalism? Over. Here’s a Socialist sequel
Revolution’s coming, prepare for the fight
Workers of the world, unite!
Mises
Nothing is determined, you’re so fatalistic
A grand theory of history? Be realistic!
Your failed predictions? A distraction.
Here’s some questions that guide human action:
Where are we going? What’s the right course?
What will motivate us, incentives or force?
Here’s what you miss from commanding heights
Each person’s gifts and individual rights
Across every continent, culture and creed
People have flourished only when freed
To find passion, profit, charity and love
Through the shake of a hand, not a boot from above
Socialism’s record isn’t hard to parse
First it was tragedy, now it’s a farce
Let’s unite people from every nation
In peace, exchange, and cooperation!
absolute legend for typing it all up here
A big missed opportunity in this is not including the whole "you say we wish to do away with private property but in your system, private property is already denied to 9 tenths of the population" line from the manifesto
We have different goals. Your goal is equality, while ours is prosperity. If the bottom quintile doubles their average wealth, meanwhile the top quintile triples their average wealth; you would view this as bad because inequality has risen, while we would view this as good because everyone in society has become wealthier.
We are in favor of private property not because it results in equal economic outcomes across society, nor because the existence of private property somehow implies that everyone has equal economic opportunities in life; but because profit-contingent private control of industry allows for much more efficient economization of resources than state control of industry. But, of course, you do not self-identify as being in favor of state control of industry. I will address this as follows:
Private property is not a "system" or "institution"; it is an observation. Humans exercise ownership of land-this is an observable fact. The term "private property" refers to land in the possession of non-government individuals or groups. If government did not exist, all property would be, by definition, privately owned (and the term "private" would likely not exist in this context, as there would be no need for clarification). The only alternative to private property is state property. There is no third type of property; there is no magic plot of land that is in the possession of humans, yet somehow manages to be owned by neither a state nor non-state individuals.
Consider 5 factories:
1) Factory A is owned by one capitalist. The capitalist hires 100 workers, and spends 0 hours per week working in the factory himself.
2) Factory B is owned by 5 capitalists who each hold a 20% share. They hire 95 workers, and in addition each capitalist spends 10 hours every week working in the factory.
3) Factory C is owned by 20 capitalists who each hold a 5% share. They hire 80 workers, and in addition each capitalist spends 20 hours every week working in the factory.
4) Factory D is owned by 90 capitalists who each hold a 1.1% share. They hire 10 workers, and in addition each capitalist spends 35 hours every week working in the factory.
5) Factory E is owned by 100 capitalists who each hold a 1% share. They hire no workers, and each capitalist spends 40 hours every week working in the factory. They do not charge customers money for goods produced.
Which of these factories are not privately owned?
In response, socialists speak of a mythical "collective property" which is not divisible into shares. They consider "collective property" to be property which is owned by a group, yet somehow each individual within the group is not a part-owner. They acknowledge that each individual is alloted one vote when making property decisions, yet reject the resulting implication that each individual with a vote is indeed a shareholder. The group somehow precedes the individual in the view of socialists. It is unclear how a group can exist in the absence of individuals. It is also unclear how this "collective property" term is anything more than a language game, as it seemingly fails to describe anything tangible.
@@nickgrove3648 Correction, your goal is prosperity for yourself, mine is prosperity for as many as possible.
@@Cyborg_Lenin How'd that work out for the kulaks?
As my Rabbi who was a spy in the Soviet Union said. "It was the Evil Empire."
So kindly go fuck yourself.
Cyborg_Hitler
@@Cyborg_Lenin No, your goal is equality across society, not prosperity. How do I know? Because even though "the poor" today are vastly wealthier than "the poor" of past centuries, you still complain that "capitalism" keeps people in poverty. If you really cared about "the poor", you would ask how and why poverty is lower today than ever before in human history. "Poor" people today have to share one car for a family of 4 or 5; rich people 150 years ago did not have any cars. "Poor" people today have to boil their sink water before drinking it; rich people 200 years ago did not have sink water. "Poor" people today sometimes must forego electric air conditioning; rich people 130 years ago did not have electric air conditioning. I place quotations around "the poor" because there is largely no such social group as "the poor". The bottom quintile in the US is a revolving door, and 10 years from now, 90% of people currently in the bottom quintile will no longer be there. Clearly, you can not accurately complain about "the poor" becoming poorer (though this does not stop you), since each generation of "the poor" enjoys a higher standard of living than the previous generation of "the poor". So what do you complain about? "Rising inequality": the implication being that economic progress made by "the poor" is somehow negated by simultaneous progress by "the rich" (another revolving door category which largely fails to identify an actual group of people in society).
@@nickgrove3648 the "poor" (and I love how you are trying to imply that they aren't actually poor) Are about as poor as they were all over the world accept for the imperial core.
You seem to forget that this growth is only subsidized by the expropriation of trillions in labor value and natural resources from the global south. Plus you are confusing capitalism with being rich, despite the fact, that poverty is much closer to what capitalism brings for the majority of the world. Ask someone in a sweatshop how great capitalism is.
This divide mind you isn't a natural one. It was created after the first industrial revolution with imperialism and subjugation, and its not kept in place with unfair economic treaties, constant destabilization and the patent gap.
This growth in life quality is mostly due to technological advancement not some magical properties of capitalism. Cars just cost much less to produce, central heating and electricity us state owned. Every example you gave is an example of technological advancement, not capitalism.
If you want to see what capitalism actually does you can look at the 8 million people that die every year from lack of food and clean water. We have the resources, we have the means, but its just not profitable to feed them is they die. At least when socialists had hunger they just didn't have enough food, as soon as they got it starvation stopped.
Now to the "poor are getting richer" argument. No, they just keep raising the poverty to make it look good. Aside from China the poor haven't gotten any richer in 3 decades including America. Remember when your parents could afford a house and a car on one minimum wage income? Well at least now Jeff can afford a billion cars, too bad most Americans can't afford 500$ for an emergency.
Finally, capitalism providing some benefits in the past isn't an excuse. Let's do what you love and take us back 300 years. What would you say? "Well feudalism raised our life quality immensely! We used to live in caves and now we have our homes and stable food! How dare you defy our divine ruler!?".
Capitlaism played its part, now its time to move on.
Marx: "Did I drive the tanks at Tiananmen Square"?
Communists: "What's Tiananmen Square?"
I don't say that. I say, DOWN WITH THE TYRANTS!
@@breakingboardrooms1778 what
Did you know the demonstrants at Tienanmen Square were singing the Internationale?
@@itacom2199 That's not the point. I am not saying that there weren't communists at tiananmen square in 89... I am just stating that TODAY there are a lot of communists (most of them, in fac) that refuse to acknowledge it.
Most communist parties around the world don't recognize that the Tiananmen massacre happened because that goes against China's official stance about it.
@@RedSoulful the Tienanmen protesters were protesting against the Deng Xiaoping reforms, nota against communism.
“So capitalism is diabetes?” YOU CHOSE TO BUY THAT
Seth Moody some people like to buy diabetes also Commnisum is better
@@blitz8260 no
Sad they didn't mention "socialism is starvation."
Kaiser Wilhelm II millions die as a result of capitalism too
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I think we're all just beating around the bush at this point and not realising the final boss of this world are the extreme centrists.
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Agreed
Giraffe fan spotted
Like fasci?
Where's Huey Long?