me watching this on a PC while mining on an RX 580 going full blast powered by one molex to 6pin PCI to 2x PCI-E 8pin... Uhmmm.... How much is that per wire? :)))))
Favorite quote: When talking about SATA power, "It's going to heat up it's going to melt, potentially cause a fire, burn your mining rig and your whole house down, and you'll be super sad and very far away from break even." HAHA. Great video.
But 75w delivers the x16 port and a riser connects to the x1 so it would not be consuming 75w since only from x16 to x16 it would consume 75w and from x1 to x16 there would be less consumption available for the gpu
I use sata conectors in my 1660S risers more then year and i never have problem or feel some cabels are hot ;) nothing problem for this low volt cards. I use for 10cards rig oynly one PSU Andyson Prominer 1800W and all runing very well
I LOVE how you take it step by step and explain terms when you use them instead of just assuming we're all experts and know it. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING DEEPLY, ALBEIT SOME MIGHT THINK ITS UNNECESSARY I REALLY LIKE IT. THANK you, it's refreshing. Subbed.
Here is some data about Molex/AMP connectors for you. Molex is the OG daddy of the 4pins originally were three typical pin sizes: 1.57 mm (0.062 in), 2.13 mm (0.084 in), and 2.36 mm (0.093 in). The 1.57 mm pin can carry 5 A of current, while the 2.36 mm can carry 8.5 A. AMP later released the lock Mate and Lock in 1963, they used a .093 in pin rated at 11A. Later on Molex updated their connector to be compatible with AMP and also Mate and Lock so today there is virtually no difference. Its "safe" to assume at least 8.5amp per PIN which at 12V is about 102Watts. Currently Molex rates the connector (which includes the pin) at 13AMP max. So connector and PIN wise more than able to handle the 75Watt the pit fall is if you have 4 of these connectors on a 18AWG wire you can pull max 16A on the wire so using up to 2 connectors would still be the limit, that is if you PSU is happy to supply the 16A needed on that peripheral output, which would for safety limit you to one connector taking into account cheaper components or manufacturing techinques used to cut cost. FYI AMP Part is AMP 1-480424-0 AMP 60619-1 AMP 1-480426-0 AMP 60620-1 13 amps
THIS, is what I was looking for. I use Molex Micro-Fit connections for 3D printers; they can handle 8.5A and they are tiny compared to PSU connections. So I knew someone in here must have an idea of modern standards. Thank you!
@@RedFoxCrypto Could we maybe get a similar explanation on PCIe bandwidth? I have a trouble finding solid info on how many PCIe slots with XY amount of lanes I can split into XY amount of risers, etc... Basically trying to know, how I can calculate GPU hardcap for each MTB. THANK YOU
I'm about to start my journey building my first rig.. This is pure gold Thank you for taking your time to share your experience and research! The world would be a better place if more people were like you. Awesome! 😊🙏
I am a technician since 1998. It is difficult to make customer's understand' why they need good quality cables. People kind of bargain for cheapest possible way out. I would recommend them this video because, the way you explained the math - even a 4th grader would understand. Great Presentation and Excellent Explanation . Loved it.
This is an outstanding, high quality video- thank you so much. I have boggled my mind over this for years. The reality is, we know for a fact that you can indeed, put multiple GPU's (RX 570/480 for example) on a single SATA. Why? Well the answer must be that the GPU (by design) pulls more energy from the 6-pin PCIE power connection on the GPU- not from the riser (or the motherboard). What I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see is a matrix, GPU-by-GPU, that details the amount of energy pulled by from the riser, vs how much energy is pulled at the PCI 6-pin connector integrated into the GPU. My experience with 480's: Multiple GPU risers on SATA is no issue. Multiple GPU's connected to same 6-pin PCI is a firebomb waiting to happen. To solve this riddle and most effectively (and safely) use the connections afforded us on an ATX power supply- we must know GPU by-GPU how much energy is pulled from the riser and how much is pulled by the 6-pin PCIE. The reason why you keep seeing miners using SATA is that in some conditions you can indeed power not only a single riser- but multiple risers without issue. But then, on the next model/manufacturer of a given GPU- you have an issue. Does this make sense what I am writing?
Thank you dude! It absolutely makes sense. It all comes down to is how is this specific GPU going to get the power it needs. People having experiences like the ones you've had is why it's such a divisive topic. Your 480s simply pull way less power than the 54w given on a SATA strand. Yet, if you plugged in different cards it could be very dangerous. Since we don't that specific information, per card, we can't make those decisions. I also wonder how much of this depends on the algorithm the GPU is working on. I remember when KawPow came out people were burning all types of connections that had typically worked fine for years. Thanks for watching and the thoughtful comment. Happy mining!
@@RedFoxCrypto Right on Bro. So Have you seen that box that SpaceGoats built and gave to Red Panda? you plug your ATX power into the box, then one connection to the riser and a second connection to the GPU. From there you can specifically see what specifically is doing what from boot up to mining start and then full hash achieved. That is the only way I know of to do this. But I don't have a SpaceGoats box and I don't have 50 varieties of cards. So in the end- what you created will keep people safe and that is the most important thing. Your instructions do not however optimize ATX power distribution. Safety is admittedly more important, but I would like to achieve most. Hey I'm a miner- I want the best of both worlds!
I'm already a seasoned miner, with 6 years under my belt That being said, this is a fantastic video! New miners out there, watch this video until the end!
This type of content is what we need from all experienced miners...pratical stuff...people talk and talk for hours but not a single piece of pratical advice...thanks a lot for the video
Its also good practice to view the connectors with a thermal imaging camera (a cheap one is fine) while under full load just to be certain there's not a poor connection with a pin somewhere. Relatively new to mining, but not new to dealing with 12v high-current projects. Good video too, I never realized the SATA power connectors had such a low current rating! They shouldn't offer it on the risers - just asking for trouble.
Hey, man just wanted to say props. Everytime I get into one of these projects it's always a struggle to dig through what to do and not just rely on people who say "this is fine, I've done it forever" saved me hiura and great video
How many risers did you connect with one cable? Never, ever connect more than 2 things. Even then there is a risk. 3 or 4 you are guaranteed to fry something. I have one card connected with sata and even that is the card what is drawing least power, 3060 with a 58% power limit. I hate that they even make sata power cables that have 4 plugs to connect to.
This is the most useful mining advise I have ever watched, listened to, or read. Power specs for these ports are not front and center, and the power draw seems to differ from card to card. Using only the 6-pin connectors for my risers fixed intermittent problems I have had for years. Thank you!
Hey men! You saved my rig and eventually my house. I built a rig and when searching on the web how to power risers I found a video with a guy powering all the cards with SATA. So I thought no problem. I has 3080s all in one 4 sata cable… glad I found your youtube channel so I could stop my rig and properly connect the risers. I owe you a dinner!
I've watched and read 6 guides on this exact topic already and this is the first one that actually explained... anything. Thanks for acknowledging that the people watching this might need some foundational knowledge and context, but not explaining it like we're children.
You're welcome man. Of all my videos this one was really important to me. I wanted to get that foundational knowledge myself and find a way to share it out to others. Thank you for appreciating the "why" and not just the fast answer. Happy mining dude!
So I just put together my first rig and I was powering 3 risers using an esata psu cable. You don't want to know which cards I have on this rig (power hogs). When I went up to 6 cards the rig became unstable. It would go offline or have a lot of rejected shares. After watching this video, I replaced the risers with the ones second to last you mentioned. I got rid of all the sata to 6pin cables. I replaced them with 3x 6pin cables. Each cable powers 2 risers. The rig immediately looks more stable, even shaving almost 25 watts from the get go. Thanks for this golden information!
Hey Red Fox, I was curious at 14:45, that splitter, would that also "split" the power? So I can't have 2 risers on it? Would then the total be 150W and NOT 75W for 2 risers? or am I missing something?
Know this is an old post but wanted to say thank you. I'm nervous about turning on my 1st rig setup and your explanation regarding power supply was awesome!
You have 288watts to play with with an 8 pin from the psu. 75 watts per riser is 300watts so your over. Will the risers ever pull 300 watts unlikely but theres no point gambling on it even if its low chance. You could power 3 and give yourself some headroom
I’m so glad I stumbled across this, I’m in the final stages and was about to turn my miner on using sata, now I’m totally redoing my power supply setup all over
Awesome video! The only thing that was missing for me is how to connect that many GPU'S to a single PSU. The one you have in the description only has 2 pcie outputs. Is there any other adapter used to power more pcie cables?
I have an old 240w Dell OEM power supply. It has 2 floppy drive power cables and i simply connect 12 pci-e splitters to those cables and i'm golden. After watching your video, i plan to use my extra molex cable to power my 32 RGB fans. Lol... just kidding... I'll power my entire rig from a USB port from my Chromebook =) (PS: i love your content. SuBsCriBeD!!!)
Great vid. This standard is what I'm personally going by for SATA/Molex from EVGA. So Molex could power more in theory, but it's rated identically to SATA--and I quote: "All of our EVGA power supplies are manufactured to conform to ATX standards. The ATX specification has different ratings for voltage and wattage, depending on the connector that is used. In a typical configuration, where a graphics card is directly installed into a PCIe slot on a motherboard, that PCIe slot is specified to deliver 75 watts. PCIe risers and adapters do not conform to ATX standards. Using these types of adapters can result in damage to any system components. The ATX standard for SATA or Molex connections is rated for 54 watts. Each SATA/Molex connector provides three 12v pins at 1.5 amps each, for a total of 4.5 amps. 12 volts, times 4.5 amps, equals 54 watts able to be provided by a SATA/Molex connector." Edit: AND something I didn't know but picked up on Gamer's Nexus is that not ALL power cables are the same. To avoid issues, you should generally match the power cables that came with your PSU. Knowing this, I'm now purchasing only Corsair PSUs and their respective cables for everything--unless it's an ITX case that needs a specialized size--really like the tiny Cooler Master V850 for the nr200 case.
When you're using the PCIe splitter with the PCIE cable from the PSU, do you plug it into 8pin or 6pin on the PSU? Video was really helpful man, if you care about your rig watch this video.....
The thing is with multiple cards that require multiple 6/8 peg connectors you run short on them very quickly. I think its wonderful that in that case you can use good ol' molex to at least power the risers. Saves a few peg slots and cables for the real stuff.
Excellent video...most are crap and don’t even show you the GPU properly connected to the power unit. You show it and explain it all...including the pitfalls of Santa and moles. Many Thanks....
@@RedFoxCrypto YOu probably don't need one for most things. That 12 Pro Max has an amazing camera. I suspected it was something like that :). I use a mix of a Canon 70D, Go Pro and iPhone.
What about a cpu 8pin to 2 x 6+2 pin output cable adapter? I can't find any information but the cpu cable would be rated enough for around 330w if i'm correct
some GPUs actually turn off their fans if it dosnt need it, my 1080 ti fans never runs if i browse the internet, and not loading it, but they spin up if i forinstance launch a game
I'm building my first mining rig at the moment, 6xRX5700XT. The power connection to the risers was one of the last questions. Thank you for answering it, nice video!!
@@RedFoxCrypto I'm very excited to run it for the first time. Today I was really lucky to buy the last two cards for an acceptable price. They should arrive in a few days and then I will hit the 300🚀😬...
Thanks for the video! From what I understand it depends on the molex pin length. The pin length determines the amperage, as it impacts the surface area of the connection .I found the following info on wikipedia. "There are three typical pin sizes: 1.57 mm (0.062 in), 2.13 mm (0.084 in), and 2.36 mm (0.093 in). The 1.57 mm pin can carry 5 A of current, while the 2.36 mm can carry 8.5 A. Because the pins have a large contact surface area and fit tightly, these connectors are typically used for power."
Brilliant video and very helpful, I come from electronics and telecommunications background and it has always been well documented on not just the equipment side of things but the actual means of connecting all the equipment. Using heavier gauge wire not only ensures that the required power is reaching the equipment safely but also ensures less stress is on the power source and equipment receiving the supply voltage. Simple exercise get a glass of water with a thin straw and try to drink through the straw. You'll have to stop to catch your breath. Now try it with a larger straw... Our engineer tutor was old school but basic principles apply. 😎
Yeah! this video is definitely correct & informative! I experience burning a sata connector connected to riser last 2018 using rx 480 4gb gpu. Luckily I smell the burnt cable while at home and immediately turned off the rig and didn't break my gpu (only the cable)...+1 sub & definitely LIKE!
New 2 week old miner here, sitting on lunch break at Molex watching your video. Felt like you were asking me specifically about our cables! Lol. Sadly I can’t answer your questions, I just plate the pins in the housings. If you write down a specific question or 2 you have about the Molex connectors, I could possibly ask my supervisors and work with you to get an answer. Great video!
Wow that's crazy dude!! Welcome to mining! My biggest question is what exact pin part number is being supplied to the big PSU manufacturers (EVGA, Corsair, etc) to use in their PSU Molex cables. Knowing that I can look up the specs of it, see the amount of amperage it's rated for, and confidently know the amount of wattage the cable can handle.
@@RedFoxCrypto I need some used graphic cards and motherboards to start with can any of you be of help. I'm from Ghana and I have been trying to mine small coins. Thanks
Great video. Noob here: So, it's a 8pin from the PSU with 6pin on the other side, which connects to the 6pin splitter which has two 8pins (if you want to power two raisers), but the connection on the raiser card is 6pins.
I didn’t even finish this video before running into my mining room and shutting 2 card rig down. I kick myself for not doing my due diligence since I have a deep background in industrial electronics. Thanks man!
Wikipedia says that the 2.36mm molex can deliver 8.5A, and given their large surface area I'm pretty sure it can do the 75W. Also, looking into the Molex website, when you select the 5A connectors, you get a few that are obviously smaller than PC molex. Still, people should always use PCIe power connectors. Also no, TDP is not power draw, TDP stands for Thermal Design Power and it deals with temperature and heat, not power, lots of people get that wrong. A CPU with a TDP of 75W, can pull more than 100W of power quite easily.
I wish I watched this before wiring my rig… it was running for almost a year and burned a molex yesterday 🤦🏽♂️… I also had a bridge to another card… thanks for this so helpful
Dude, that video save me so much time, i've tried to do it by myself without any info, and fried my old 5700XT( still wanna save it tho), but thanks to you i've understand something that i've never really tried to understand, it was clear and so easy, thanks a lot !
Thank god for this video. Literally just changed my rig out from a tower to a frame with GPU risers and I used the PCIe to SATA cable that came with them. Just ordered about $100 in cables...better than a torched rig
I never touched risers before cause of random “my house = pile of ash” stories (and since I didn’t have enough GPUs to justify it) but now, I’m getting to a point where I can’t just shove all of them into the motherboard so this video was real helpful.
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I'm glad you made this video! Luckily, I haven't lost my house. Gonna do some research and invest $200 in the proper riser and cables to ensure infinite profits
Just got one riser burnt through sata to 6 pin converter ... Thank GOD my 3060ti didn't get any sorts of damage ... Thanks for the video, will have to look for splitters and server PSU
Use server psus . Breakout boards from parallelminer (x11a i prefer). 16ga wiring for for the 6 pin. 1 rail per riser. Solid stability. 94 % efficiency.
Very informative video. I have watched similar video like this before. However, it also depends on GPU type/model. I have been using Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 850W (16AWG wires) and similar (if not same) riser as in this video for my rigs. I used SATA cable to power not one but two risers from each SATA cable and all of them have been running fine for many months. Cables ran very cold. I didn't feel warm at all from SATA cables. My GPUs are 6x RX 5600 XT (66-70Watt/card ), 6xGTX 1660 S (70-75Watt/card). All wattages are reported from HiveOs
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Can you update the pcie splitter link to something in stock?
as mentioned PCIE is 75watts, why in the video they are getting more than that from the riser ?
@@sapnupuas8235 I'm wondering that myself. I was surprised to see that.
@@sebastiaocunhareis925 my thought too
me watching this on a PC while mining on an RX 580 going full blast powered by one molex to 6pin PCI to 2x PCI-E 8pin... Uhmmm.... How much is that per wire? :)))))
Favorite quote: When talking about SATA power, "It's going to heat up it's going to melt, potentially cause a fire, burn your mining rig and your whole house down, and you'll be super sad and very far away from break even." HAHA. Great video.
Hahaha. Thanks David!
But 75w delivers the x16 port and a riser connects to the x1 so it would not be consuming 75w since only from x16 to x16 it would consume 75w and from x1 to x16 there would be less consumption available for the gpu
I use sata conectors in my 1660S risers more then year and i never have problem or feel some cabels are hot ;) nothing problem for this low volt cards. I use for 10cards rig oynly one PSU Andyson Prominer 1800W and all runing very well
@@maxbiagi3091 yeah it really just depends what cards your using I run sata on some 1060s w no issues but id never run it on my 3080s or 1080s
I thought if it couldn't get enough power it wouldn't turn on.
I LOVE how you take it step by step and explain terms when you use them instead of just assuming we're all experts and know it. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING DEEPLY, ALBEIT SOME MIGHT THINK ITS UNNECESSARY I REALLY LIKE IT. THANK you, it's refreshing. Subbed.
Dude, thank you. That means a lot to me, seriously. Happy mining brother!
from a noob miner: best explanation ever on how to power up your rig
Thanks buddy! Glad I could help.
true!
@@RedFoxCrypto i couldnt find a video that actually shows this, everyone skips it. thank you bro
Ditto
This video is a mandatory watch for all new miners! 🙌 ⛏
Thanks dude!
glad i ran into it. :-)
@@RedFoxCrypto thanks. Def helped me get an understanding of powering and the context and standards from which it was taken. Thanks for the links
hai.. Sebs Hezlow here
Yes I agree, im new and watched this video. very very helpful. thank you
You probably just saved me from being homeless! Thanks for the good info.
You're welcome Greg! Thanks for watching buddy.
Here is some data about Molex/AMP connectors for you. Molex is the OG daddy of the 4pins originally were three typical pin sizes: 1.57 mm (0.062 in), 2.13 mm (0.084 in), and 2.36 mm (0.093 in). The 1.57 mm pin can carry 5 A of current, while the 2.36 mm can carry 8.5 A. AMP later released the lock Mate and Lock in 1963, they used a .093 in pin rated at 11A. Later on Molex updated their connector to be compatible with AMP and also Mate and Lock so today there is virtually no difference. Its "safe" to assume at least 8.5amp per PIN which at 12V is about 102Watts. Currently Molex rates the connector (which includes the pin) at 13AMP max.
So connector and PIN wise more than able to handle the 75Watt the pit fall is if you have 4 of these connectors on a 18AWG wire you can pull max 16A on the wire so using up to 2 connectors would still be the limit, that is if you PSU is happy to supply the 16A needed on that peripheral output, which would for safety limit you to one connector taking into account cheaper components or manufacturing techinques used to cut cost.
FYI AMP Part is AMP 1-480424-0 AMP 60619-1 AMP 1-480426-0 AMP 60620-1 13 amps
THIS, is what I was looking for. I use Molex Micro-Fit connections for 3D printers; they can handle 8.5A and they are tiny compared to PSU connections. So I knew someone in here must have an idea of modern standards. Thank you!
can i use molex to power my 1050ti gpu riser ??
Thanks for the information Sir , i really appriciate the time you took for this . 🙏🏻
Yes, this is a quality content, and we always wanted these kind of informative videos. You deserve more subscribers. Keep up the good work.
Dude, thank you! I very much appreciate the kind words. Happy mining!
+1 here, Thank You!
@@RedFoxCrypto Could we maybe get a similar explanation on PCIe bandwidth? I have a trouble finding solid info on how many PCIe slots with XY amount of lanes I can split into XY amount of risers, etc... Basically trying to know, how I can calculate GPU hardcap for each MTB. THANK YOU
This is some high quality content that's rare on TH-cam nowadays. Thank you, sir.
Thank you dude!
I'm about to start my journey building my first rig.. This is pure gold Thank you for taking your time to share your experience and research! The world would be a better place if more people were like you. Awesome! 😊🙏
Thank you! That means a lot. This video took a lot of time and research to put together. Happy mining brother.
Me too
I am a technician since 1998. It is difficult to make customer's understand' why they need good quality cables. People kind of bargain for cheapest possible way out.
I would recommend them this video because, the way you explained the math - even a 4th grader would understand.
Great Presentation and Excellent Explanation . Loved it.
Ah dude thank you so much. That means a lot to me. Thanks for watching and the very kind words. Happy mining!
This is an outstanding, high quality video- thank you so much. I have boggled my mind over this for years. The reality is, we know for a fact that you can indeed, put multiple GPU's (RX 570/480 for example) on a single SATA. Why? Well the answer must be that the GPU (by design) pulls more energy from the 6-pin PCIE power connection on the GPU- not from the riser (or the motherboard). What I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see is a matrix, GPU-by-GPU, that details the amount of energy pulled by from the riser, vs how much energy is pulled at the PCI 6-pin connector integrated into the GPU. My experience with 480's: Multiple GPU risers on SATA is no issue. Multiple GPU's connected to same 6-pin PCI is a firebomb waiting to happen. To solve this riddle and most effectively (and safely) use the connections afforded us on an ATX power supply- we must know GPU by-GPU how much energy is pulled from the riser and how much is pulled by the 6-pin PCIE. The reason why you keep seeing miners using SATA is that in some conditions you can indeed power not only a single riser- but multiple risers without issue. But then, on the next model/manufacturer of a given GPU- you have an issue. Does this make sense what I am writing?
Thank you dude! It absolutely makes sense. It all comes down to is how is this specific GPU going to get the power it needs.
People having experiences like the ones you've had is why it's such a divisive topic. Your 480s simply pull way less power than the 54w given on a SATA strand. Yet, if you plugged in different cards it could be very dangerous. Since we don't that specific information, per card, we can't make those decisions.
I also wonder how much of this depends on the algorithm the GPU is working on. I remember when KawPow came out people were burning all types of connections that had typically worked fine for years.
Thanks for watching and the thoughtful comment. Happy mining!
@@RedFoxCrypto Right on Bro. So Have you seen that box that SpaceGoats built and gave to Red Panda? you plug your ATX power into the box, then one connection to the riser and a second connection to the GPU. From there you can specifically see what specifically is doing what from boot up to mining start and then full hash achieved. That is the only way I know of to do this. But I don't have a SpaceGoats box and I don't have 50 varieties of cards. So in the end- what you created will keep people safe and that is the most important thing. Your instructions do not however optimize ATX power distribution. Safety is admittedly more important, but I would like to achieve most. Hey I'm a miner- I want the best of both worlds!
@@robertmicciche5375 Yes! BBT has an awesome one of those boxes too. I'd love one someday.
English isn't my first language, but you're speaking so slow and clear that I can understand every single word. Good video and explanation
That's great Emanual! Glad I could help. Happy mining brother!
@@RedFoxCrypto Did you watch voskcoin's latest video? It doesn't look good for ethereum mining unfortunately. I was just about to start mining :(
I'm already a seasoned miner, with 6 years under my belt
That being said, this is a fantastic video! New miners out there, watch this video until the end!
Thank you dude!!!
@@RedFoxCrypto hell yeah dude, you're putting out solid content
This type of content is what we need from all experienced miners...pratical stuff...people talk and talk for hours but not a single piece of pratical advice...thanks a lot for the video
I wanted to say "Thank you so much you for the content!" Exactly what I needed and about to build. Saved my house from disaster :)
You're welcome Alan! Thanks for commenting brother. Happy mining!
I'm very happy that I landed on this video. It's is perfectly explained.
Are you studying electrical engineering? You know a lot about electricity.
Thanks brother glad I could help!
Its also good practice to view the connectors with a thermal imaging camera (a cheap one is fine) while under full load just to be certain there's not a poor connection with a pin somewhere. Relatively new to mining, but not new to dealing with 12v high-current projects. Good video too, I never realized the SATA power connectors had such a low current rating! They shouldn't offer it on the risers - just asking for trouble.
Thanks Mike. Good call on the thermal camera.
it can be dont by touching connection with finger too
Great Idea...looking into this now.
Thank you sir!
The SATA connector was designed to power a disk, CD players, DVD players.
This is by far the most thorough description I've seen, incredible man, spectacular video. Thanks.
one of your gpu fans stopped working on the video, that was awsome timing.
i think it wasn't gone bad, Latest gpu sometime run only one fan it it thinks Temps are very low.
I had a evga 1070 that did that, some evga have memory sensors and will turn on the fan over the memory only if it reaches a certain temp
Wow this video just saved countless rigs melting or even houses from being burnt down! Thank you 🤗
Thanks for watching buddy!
Oh man, thanks for the work and all the research that you've put into this, it is admirable. Wishing you all the best!
Man, in late 2023, I can't tell you enough how important this video is. Thanks
Thanks bud.
Hey, man just wanted to say props. Everytime I get into one of these projects it's always a struggle to dig through what to do and not just rely on people who say "this is fine, I've done it forever" saved me hiura and great video
Swapped all my risers out last week and bought the $54 server psu thanks for the great content. Keep it up.
Thanks buddy! Glad I could help. Happy mining brother!
Had a sata cable set fire just last week, smelt burning plastic for about 2 minutes before it burst into flames
Yikes! Sorry dude. Hope only the cable was the victim.
Which GPU?
How many risers did you connect with one cable? Never, ever connect more than 2 things. Even then there is a risk. 3 or 4 you are guaranteed to fry something. I have one card connected with sata and even that is the card what is drawing least power, 3060 with a 58% power limit. I hate that they even make sata power cables that have 4 plugs to connect to.
@@redX111t How are you running a 3060 on a riser? Are you stuck at 20Mh/s?
@@sethalexander423 a riser doesnt affect hashrate..
This is the most useful mining advise I have ever watched, listened to, or read. Power specs for these ports are not front and center, and the power draw seems to differ from card to card. Using only the 6-pin connectors for my risers fixed intermittent problems I have had for years. Thank you!
Awesome dude! Glad I could help out. Happy mining brother.
Almost powered my 3080 x16 with a Sata. Not knowing much about it I decided to check. And oh boy I'm glad I did. Thank you!! +Sub
Whew! Glad I could help brother! Happy mining!
Lol damn a 3080
Hey men! You saved my rig and eventually my house. I built a rig and when searching on the web how to power risers I found a video with a guy powering all the cards with SATA. So I thought no problem. I has 3080s all in one 4 sata cable… glad I found your youtube channel so I could stop my rig and properly connect the risers.
I owe you a dinner!
Glad I was able to help out buddy! Stay safe and happy mining!
Thank you so much for this video, I appreciate you explaining cable power ratings and how to safely power risers. We all got to keep safe👍🏾👌🏾
You’re welcome. Thanks brother!
I've watched and read 6 guides on this exact topic already and this is the first one that actually explained... anything. Thanks for acknowledging that the people watching this might need some foundational knowledge and context, but not explaining it like we're children.
You're welcome man. Of all my videos this one was really important to me. I wanted to get that foundational knowledge myself and find a way to share it out to others. Thank you for appreciating the "why" and not just the fast answer. Happy mining dude!
Thanks mate a grey area and something every noob asks, sometimes the basic info is what one needs.
Thanks for watching and the comment buddy!
So I just put together my first rig and I was powering 3 risers using an esata psu cable. You don't want to know which cards I have on this rig (power hogs). When I went up to 6 cards the rig became unstable. It would go offline or have a lot of rejected shares. After watching this video, I replaced the risers with the ones second to last you mentioned. I got rid of all the sata to 6pin cables. I replaced them with 3x 6pin cables. Each cable powers 2 risers. The rig immediately looks more stable, even shaving almost 25 watts from the get go. Thanks for this golden information!
Hey Red Fox, I was curious at 14:45, that splitter, would that also "split" the power? So I can't have 2 risers on it? Would then the total be 150W and NOT 75W for 2 risers? or am I missing something?
dude listen it again he explains the total power that 6 pin really gets. its the female 6 pin on the gpu than can only get 75w.
@@MrBarosxp Yeah, noticed it later. Would have been great to have on a data sheet. I'll get to it later so I can see what i need for my GPUs.
Know this is an old post but wanted to say thank you. I'm nervous about turning on my 1st rig setup and your explanation regarding power supply was awesome!
Thank you dude! Glad I could help. I made this video hoping it would help others for many years to come! Happy mining brother.
With my 1600w power supply, they gave me one PCI-E cable with two 8-pins. Can I safely split that cable twice to power 4 risers?
I wouldn’t personally. I keep to 2 risers per PCIe cable.
You have 288watts to play with with an 8 pin from the psu.
75 watts per riser is 300watts so your over. Will the risers ever pull 300 watts unlikely but theres no point gambling on it even if its low chance.
You could power 3 and give yourself some headroom
@@chipspclounge7871 could i split a 8 pin to 2x8 pin and power a r9 390x?
@@0vers33r1 yeah TDP is 275watt so you have 13 watts spare
I’m so glad I stumbled across this, I’m in the final stages and was about to turn my miner on using sata, now I’m totally redoing my power supply setup all over
Glad I could help. Stay safe brother and happy mining!
You break it down to the bone brother, awesome info 👍👍
Thanks dude! Thank you for watching.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. You're a good speaker and it was easy to follow.
Thank you dude!
This is the kinda physics lesson I wish I had in school
Yes they dont teach you the cool stiff in school , they teach u only the boring stuff that u will never ever need
@@ademchokri8478 They do teach about P=VxI, don't they?
@@ademchokri8478 chemistry was fun tho
thanks a lot, this is so helpful and save me from a burning rig/house ;)) So for your riser power cable:
- SATA: bad
- Molex: maybe
- Pcie: good
Awesome video!
The only thing that was missing for me is how to connect that many GPU'S to a single PSU. The one you have in the description only has 2 pcie outputs.
Is there any other adapter used to power more pcie cables?
I am not a miner, but explanation is super useful, thank you!
Best explanation I have seen. Good video.
Thanks buddy! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
These are the kind of videos newbies like me need .. videos that break down and explain what's what . And for that.. I thank you...
Thank you dude! Thanks for watching.
Great explanation!!
Thanks buddy! And thank you for all your content in the mining space. You’re awesome.
@@RedFoxCrypto much appreciated! You as well! I'm surprised I wasn't subbed, your content is A+ ⛏️⛏️
I have an old 240w Dell OEM power supply. It has 2 floppy drive power cables and i simply connect 12 pci-e splitters to those cables and i'm golden. After watching your video, i plan to use my extra molex cable to power my 32 RGB fans. Lol... just kidding... I'll power my entire rig from a USB port from my Chromebook =) (PS: i love your content. SuBsCriBeD!!!)
What are your thoughts on PCIE cables that come pre-split (so 8 & a 6/2 combo) for dual PCIE GPUs?
It is fine as long as you keep the wattage down. Also depends on the cable quality. I avoid ever going over 200W on a single cable.
Great vid. This standard is what I'm personally going by for SATA/Molex from EVGA. So Molex could power more in theory, but it's rated identically to SATA--and I quote:
"All of our EVGA power supplies are manufactured to conform to ATX standards. The ATX specification has different ratings for voltage and wattage, depending on the connector that is used. In a typical configuration, where a graphics card is directly installed into a PCIe slot on a motherboard, that PCIe slot is specified to deliver 75 watts.
PCIe risers and adapters do not conform to ATX standards. Using these types of adapters can result in damage to any system components.
The ATX standard for SATA or Molex connections is rated for 54 watts. Each SATA/Molex connector provides three 12v pins at 1.5 amps each, for a total of 4.5 amps. 12 volts, times 4.5 amps, equals 54 watts able to be provided by a SATA/Molex connector."
Edit: AND something I didn't know but picked up on Gamer's Nexus is that not ALL power cables are the same. To avoid issues, you should generally match the power cables that came with your PSU. Knowing this, I'm now purchasing only Corsair PSUs and their respective cables for everything--unless it's an ITX case that needs a specialized size--really like the tiny Cooler Master V850 for the nr200 case.
When you're using the PCIe splitter with the PCIE cable from the PSU, do you plug it into 8pin or 6pin on the PSU? Video was really helpful man, if you care about your rig watch this video.....
6 pin goes to PSU, 6+2 (8 pin) goes to the gpu.
WOW! Finally someone broke it down for use new miners. THANK YOU!
You're welcome Carlos! Happy mining brother!
The thing is with multiple cards that require multiple 6/8 peg connectors you run short on them very quickly. I think its wonderful that in that case you can use good ol' molex to at least power the risers. Saves a few peg slots and cables for the real stuff.
Excellent video...most are crap and don’t even show you the GPU properly connected to the power unit. You show it and explain it all...including the pitfalls of Santa and moles. Many Thanks....
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words. Happy mining.
Such a great overview. Nice, simple and easy to understand. And I love that camera! What are you shooting with? That image is solid!
Thanks brother! It’s my iPhone 12 Pro Max. What do you use? I’d love to get a dedicated camera one day, but this works okay for now!
@@RedFoxCrypto YOu probably don't need one for most things. That 12 Pro Max has an amazing camera. I suspected it was something like that :).
I use a mix of a Canon 70D, Go Pro and iPhone.
If you had a donation button, I would press it. This is a gold mine of information. Thank you
Thanks Jesse! Appreciate it buddy.
What about a cpu 8pin to 2 x 6+2 pin output cable adapter? I can't find any information but the cpu cable would be rated enough for around 330w if i'm correct
You made this on my brother's birthday! Thank you sir!
17:38 a fan just died and revived at 18:24 lol
some GPUs actually turn off their fans if it dosnt need it, my 1080 ti fans never runs if i browse the internet, and not loading it, but they spin up if i forinstance launch a game
I wish I watched this before burning my power supply. Great content. Thanks!
Hey Red Fox, one questino, does the risers spend 75w of energy themselves or these watts are the same the gpu would consume?
It just goes through the riser to the card.
I'm building my first mining rig at the moment, 6xRX5700XT. The power connection to the risers was one of the last questions. Thank you for answering it, nice video!!
Thanks buddy! That’s going to be a sick rig. Congrats dude!
@@RedFoxCrypto I'm very excited to run it for the first time. Today I was really lucky to buy the last two cards for an acceptable price. They should arrive in a few days and then I will hit the 300🚀😬...
17:09 ..... I'll leave that there for anyone in a hard rush.
This should be on top.. Pin this man
Thanks for the video! From what I understand it depends on the molex pin length. The pin length determines the amperage, as it impacts the surface area of the connection .I found the following info on wikipedia. "There are three typical pin sizes: 1.57 mm (0.062 in), 2.13 mm (0.084 in), and 2.36 mm (0.093 in). The 1.57 mm pin can carry 5 A of current, while the 2.36 mm can carry 8.5 A. Because the pins have a large contact surface area and fit tightly, these connectors are typically used for power."
very informative video. I haven't found one explaining it like you just did. Not even from the other "Tech" channels.
Fantastic video! Great delivery and I appreciate you valuing your viewers by being, clean and concise. Subbed! Thanks!
Thank you Stephen!
Brilliant video and very helpful, I come from electronics and telecommunications background and it has always been well documented on not just the equipment side of things but the actual means of connecting all the equipment.
Using heavier gauge wire not only ensures that the required power is reaching the equipment safely but also ensures less stress is on the power source and equipment receiving the supply voltage.
Simple exercise get a glass of water with a thin straw and try to drink through the straw. You'll have to stop to catch your breath.
Now try it with a larger straw...
Our engineer tutor was old school but basic principles apply. 😎
You saved me and figured out why my system doesn't recognize my gpus.
That last conclusion with good and bad was funny.
But thanks for explaining all the connection it does help me.
Yeah! this video is definitely correct & informative! I experience burning a sata connector connected to riser last 2018 using rx 480 4gb gpu. Luckily I smell the burnt cable while at home and immediately turned off the rig and didn't break my gpu (only the cable)...+1 sub & definitely LIKE!
Thanks John! Sorry that happened to you buddy, but I'm glad you caught it. I appreciate the watch and the comment. Happy mining!
New 2 week old miner here, sitting on lunch break at Molex watching your video. Felt like you were asking me specifically about our cables! Lol.
Sadly I can’t answer your questions, I just plate the pins in the housings.
If you write down a specific question or 2 you have about the Molex connectors, I could possibly ask my supervisors and work with you to get an answer.
Great video!
Wow that's crazy dude!! Welcome to mining! My biggest question is what exact pin part number is being supplied to the big PSU manufacturers (EVGA, Corsair, etc) to use in their PSU Molex cables. Knowing that I can look up the specs of it, see the amount of amperage it's rated for, and confidently know the amount of wattage the cable can handle.
@@RedFoxCrypto I need some used graphic cards and motherboards to start with can any of you be of help. I'm from Ghana and I have been trying to mine small coins. Thanks
Great video.
Noob here: So, it's a 8pin from the PSU with 6pin on the other side, which connects to the 6pin splitter which has two 8pins (if you want to power two raisers), but the connection on the raiser card is 6pins.
Thank you! I was about to use those sata to pcie connectors. You propably saved my house from burning down. Thank you
You’re welcome dude! Be safe!
What are your thoughts on using the 24pin adapter to combine 2 x 650w psus into one? Is that safe?
I didn’t even finish this video before running into my mining room and shutting 2 card rig down. I kick myself for not doing my due diligence since I have a deep background in industrial electronics. Thanks man!
You are welcome! Stay safe and happy mining!
Man people should apreciate your video.
Thanks you dude!
After trolling through countless blogs on this subject with no consistent information or opinions I am now clear about this, Cheers 👍
Awesome dude! Glad I could help out. Happy mining brother.
thx bro, nice video! We miners always walk together, search the best way to evolve helping each other
Wikipedia says that the 2.36mm molex can deliver 8.5A, and given their large surface area I'm pretty sure it can do the 75W.
Also, looking into the Molex website, when you select the 5A connectors, you get a few that are obviously smaller than PC molex.
Still, people should always use PCIe power connectors.
Also no, TDP is not power draw, TDP stands for Thermal Design Power and it deals with temperature and heat, not power, lots of people get that wrong.
A CPU with a TDP of 75W, can pull more than 100W of power quite easily.
I wish I watched this before wiring my rig… it was running for almost a year and burned a molex yesterday 🤦🏽♂️… I also had a bridge to another card… thanks for this so helpful
Dude, that video save me so much time, i've tried to do it by myself without any info, and fried my old 5700XT( still wanna save it tho), but thanks to you i've understand something that i've never really tried to understand, it was clear and so easy, thanks a lot !
Thank god for this video. Literally just changed my rig out from a tower to a frame with GPU risers and I used the PCIe to SATA cable that came with them. Just ordered about $100 in cables...better than a torched rig
Thanks!
Great video mike! Love the way you break it down without jargons and explain clearly👍
Thank you dude! I appreciate you!
Happy to see the GPU fan return to spinning to the end of the video
I thought I was the only one!! WTF is going on there?!?
@@Juiceman86 she's tired
Thank you for saving my family and others from harm.
good info. thanks. just slowly getting into mining. used only one single gpu, so the transition to two is a tester for more to come, hopefully.
Thanks for the video. I've been running the sata power for the last month. Glad I saw this before I burnt my house down haha
I especially appreciate the not burning the house down bits!
Haha stay safe!
I never touched risers before cause of random “my house = pile of ash” stories (and since I didn’t have enough GPUs to justify it) but now, I’m getting to a point where I can’t just shove all of them into the motherboard so this video was real helpful.
Glad I could help! Thank you for watching.
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I'm glad you made this video! Luckily, I haven't lost my house. Gonna do some research and invest $200 in the proper riser and cables to ensure infinite profits
Wow! I am brand, brand new to mining and currently just researching parts, this was a very helpful video!
Awesome Luke! Glad I could help. This was definitely a tricky topic when I first starting mining.
You say everything information I was looking for. (Except the molex information 😉)
Thank you so much
Just got one riser burnt through sata to 6 pin converter ... Thank GOD my 3060ti didn't get any sorts of damage ... Thanks for the video, will have to look for splitters and server PSU
Use server psus . Breakout boards from parallelminer (x11a i prefer). 16ga wiring for for the 6 pin. 1 rail per riser. Solid stability. 94 % efficiency.
your presentation and speaking skills are amazing for learning! keep up the good videos!
Hey thank you buddy that means a lot!
Very well-done. Highly recommended for every new miner to watch this.
What a great video full of information and no baseless claims. Much kudos
Thanks Jack! Much appreciated buddy.
Very informative video. I have watched similar video like this before. However, it also depends on GPU type/model. I have been using Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 850W (16AWG wires) and similar (if not same) riser as in this video for my rigs. I used SATA cable to power not one but two risers from each SATA cable and all of them have been running fine for many months. Cables ran very cold. I didn't feel warm at all from SATA cables. My GPUs are 6x RX 5600 XT (66-70Watt/card ), 6xGTX 1660 S (70-75Watt/card). All wattages are reported from HiveOs
wow, Excelent video, you managed to clear my doubts as to which cable to use, thank you very much.
Clearest, most concise information on the subject I've seen yet. Thanks, mate.
Dude thank you! I appreciate the watch and the feedback. Happy mining brother.
Excellent. Just what I needed. All the detail was very helpful. I watched other videos on risers and they didn't answer all my questions. Yours did.
Thanks! I really appreciate that. I put a lot of work into this one.
Awesome, simple clear precise. Thanks buddy
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.