Respect! A company that does not deny the problems, but works with people outside the company to resolv technical issues. Thats how we (the consumers) get better products!
I know the co-founder and these lads are just on another level when it comes to customer experience and listening to the issues reported. I wish other companies responded in similar manner!
This is a good story on many fronts - a company that is open to constructive feedback, GPL's research effort and willingness to share leads to a bring a better product to market - everyone's a winner :) [objective reviews are gold for the consumer]
Just the video that I was looking for to Convince myself for the purchase! - 5 years later Thanks for the video! Im In Poland so I'm buying this tomorrow!
One of my favourite reviews Shane as it shows a company that does what they all should. Great response and outcome, no small thanks to you. Think Inpeak has made it to my shopping list.
Kudos to inpeak for doing the right thing. I had no idea they were Polish and in the same town as me.. Wroclaw. Lots of very talented people here. If my assiomas give up the ghost I'll certainly give them serious consideration.
Thanks Shane for the helpful review. Just got my Shimano 105 5800 left crank back from Inpeak (Germany - Poland - Germany in about 12 days, with shipping both ways included in the retrofit price). Very nice job by Inpeak, works like a charm for me. Cheers, Chris
I'm pretty chuffed that the Lama Lab data has helped out here. Compare this to how Shimano responded to my report regarding their power meter and cranks.... hmm.
Great review as always. Thanks to your reviews I bought inpeak for the gravel bike and assioma duo for the road one, which ended up with experiences similar to yours. Both are great (as much as the single leg inpeak can be). What's really amazing is that when I compared inpeak and left assioma pedal reading (doubled), they usually gave the very same watts, sometimes 1-2W off at 300W per several minues at worst.
Nice work - you and InPeak. Engenders confidence in a company when they make that effort. And it's nerdy. :) Now if you could get Wahoo to sort the low power - high speed flywheel resonance and add cadence for Kickr20 (hopefully!) I'd be a happy.bunny ;)
wow, that is a pretty open report. they seem to be leaning into the "we're an engineering company, and we are making data acquisition devices" side of things (very good idea in my opinion). They could have dismissed the issue, or even provided a 1 sentence changelog to the effect of "updated correction(s) for sensor drift, works now" Pricing is pretty good to... if only it wasn't a choice between 11 speed brifter upgrade or a power meter...
Wow, this certainly looks the one to purchase, one question though. Inpeak sent you this particular power meter, would you be confident with those selling off the shelf being to be as accurate? Thanks
That's a good question. Given the 2nd unit they sent was still in need of some 'work' to get right, I don't suspect I'm getting anything special sent. Although the Internet will keep them honest. I'll wait to hear reviews and user experiences of others on this one.
@@gplama I own their R8100 Ultegra dual version and I think they successfully avoided usual Shimano pitfalls, just like 4iii and Stages, but would love to see your typical in-depth analysis :D
@@kuman1212 u mnie śmiga :) co to znaczy chwilowe peaki , bo zależy jak się jedzie w terenie zawsze trochę moc skacze, dlatego ustawią się uśrednianie 3s i wtedy wszystko elegancko ;)
Hello Shane! I am in the market for a powermeter and I am considering sending my crankarm to InPeak for installation. Is this option one you would recommend 4,5 years after the review? is this video still relevant? Have you tested the newer firmware updates? Thanks a lot in advance
Great work Shane as always. Although, base on your knowledge and experience, which one between a pedal and crank base PowerMeter would be a good purchase for long term use? Thank you.
Interesting vid Shane. Great response by InPeak to the identified problem. As a consumer, that provides confidence in their company. Shane, as you've done more testing, have your thoughts on single leg PMs vs dual leg PMs changed? My experience (I have a single leg PM, dual leg PM and Kickr Core) has been that the single leg PMs are producing sound results (and consistent). I generally have a fairly even leg balance (50/50 or 49/51). I'm wondering whether the supposed benefits of the dual side PM are not as important as the marketing departments are trying to convince us. For argument's sake, if someone had a more pronounced imbalance, a single leg PM may read higher or lower for that individual...does that matter if the PM is consistent?
I don't understand why the fitting of the power meter on ultegra or dura ace crank is more expensive than 105 and other... the real cost to fitting it on crack is not the same?
105 is a solid aluminium block crank, Ultegra and Dura-ace are form from bounded hollow aluminiums shells. I can imagine fitting PM itself and calibration for heat cycles etc, can be different because of that
I've been using a dual sided power meter for a while but had to replace it. My L-R balance has always been 47-53 or 46-54. Are there any options with any single-leg power meter to adjust for this difference to report a proper power vs having about 92-94% if I only used left leg? Thanks!
Some units have scaling. I used to like this.... but I'd rather see accurate power meters and people use left/right meters if they have imbalances (as the balance changes a LOT due to effort and fatigue)
I am making assumptions here, assuming most of us cyclists would like a power crank meter from having one on our turbo trainers, so looking for power numbers to match. I appreciate that you mostly use the AssiomaDuo to compare. Would it be just as simple to have turbo and power crank meter on at same time to compare? or is there a bit more to it than that. Im considering purchasing the InPeak, doing a comparison, if it doesn't match up, return said item. Cheers for all you do.
In this case, being able to look at L&R power separately helped Shane identify places where his own power was imbalanced, but the L only powercrank was measuring correctly.
@@andrewmcalister3462 Hi, I probably didn't explain myself very well. I was trying to ask that if having a crank power meter, on the turbo bike, would give similar numbers to that as on the Wahoo kickr. Just wanting to confirm results would be nearly the same. Then putting crank power meter onto best bike for outdoors, and seeing similar numbers to that as indoors.
Differences will apply due to: 1. Drivetrains losses 1-2%, 2. L/R imbalances that will vary with each user. 3. Measurement errors - Shane's video suggests these will be small.
Shane - are you concerned that manufacturers might be using you and your valuable testing infrastructure as free* consultancy rather than invest in more rigorous in-house protocols and wouldn't you be concerned that InPeak are, in a roundabout way, using your involvement (and therefore brand) in the update as a badge of quality? Let's face it, if I did a load of testing and provided feedback on their product they would never in a million years name-check me in their literature. *I get the impression that you wouldn't charge for the service you are providing. I don't know about anyone else but I feel like this general topic would make for a good dicussion in The Fit File since DCR must be in a similar position.
Excellent question. The cycling industry is full of unsubstantiated marketing claims because there's no industry standard certifications for the technology we buy. It's also full of paid promotions on the marketing and 'influencer' side of things too. That's what makes the world go around. Want a product to sell? Pay a shitton of cash to have it showcased by a few magazines and the stand-out TH-cam channels. Done. Does the product REALLY work? That doesn't matter. At this point in time it's still early days for me trying to be heard in this industry. By that I mean it's still a work in progress proving that my testing protocols, data collection, methods/etc are valid and can be trusted. The recent Shimano based LR power meter issue I've written a report on has helped here. 100s of data points. Confirmation by a power meter designer/inventor, etc. The response from Shimano has been ice cold on that. To put it politely. Compare that to Inpeak who reached out and acknowledged the issues, worked on them, and made a better product that changed my experience with their tech. That I applaud. They wanted to pass the Lama Lab Test. Shimano? They don't care. I'd say they're borderline fraudulent in their claims of accuracy. The others are in the same boat, so they've ignored it. The reason being - The problem can't be solved with the current cranks. And that's something they'd want to hide. Anyhow - I'm ranting now... I'm happy if a company can make a product that just works. And if it doesn't work, I'm happy to help out where I can to provide information that might assist them in resolving their issues. This TH-cam gig isn't forever. It's just so I can be heard, and can inform people sometimes what they're looking at purchasing is a steaming pile of shit.... or on the flip side, it's good. The real work is all away from the camera, testing, swearing, telling companies to shove their cease and desist letters up their arse, then... after all that... maybe putting together a video or two, so I can be heard and collect a few $ from TH-cam to keep doing what I'm doing. For now.
@@gplama Thanks for the detailed reply. I hope you realise how valuable your 'work' is to the viewers of this channel. The manufacturers are fools if they don't use your feedback but you do need to keep a tight grip on the integrity of your brand. Keep at it.
Respect! A company that does not deny the problems, but works with people outside the company to resolv technical issues. Thats how we (the consumers) get better products!
This is fantastic that a company was open to hearing critique, they fixed it, and then addressed it with complete transparency. Fuck yeah
I know the co-founder and these lads are just on another level when it comes to customer experience and listening to the issues reported. I wish other companies responded in similar manner!
As a fellow Pole I'm glad to hear that Polish PM is getting good ;) Especially that I'm gonna get one unit for myself soon.
This is a good story on many fronts - a company that is open to constructive feedback, GPL's research effort and willingness to share leads to a bring a better product to market - everyone's a winner :) [objective reviews are gold for the consumer]
Just the video that I was looking for to Convince myself for the purchase! - 5 years later Thanks for the video! Im In Poland so I'm buying this tomorrow!
Thanks Lama for all your efforts. I was not aware of your contribution in the power meter accuracy that I use on my bikes.
One of my favourite reviews Shane as it shows a company that does what they all should. Great response and outcome, no small thanks to you. Think Inpeak has made it to my shopping list.
Kudos to inpeak for doing the right thing. I had no idea they were Polish and in the same town as me.. Wroclaw. Lots of very talented people here. If my assiomas give up the ghost I'll certainly give them serious consideration.
Thanks Shane for the helpful review. Just got my Shimano 105 5800 left crank back from Inpeak (Germany - Poland - Germany in about 12 days, with shipping both ways included in the retrofit price). Very nice job by Inpeak, works like a charm for me. Cheers, Chris
Great work Shane. Nice to see a company humble enough to listen to its customers.
I'm pretty chuffed that the Lama Lab data has helped out here. Compare this to how Shimano responded to my report regarding their power meter and cranks.... hmm.
@@gplama small company vs ginormous corporation. ....sigh. we've all seen that story before
Thanks for this review! I’ve purchased this PM more than year ago and it works perfectly in all conditions.
Great review as always. Thanks to your reviews I bought inpeak for the gravel bike and assioma duo for the road one, which ended up with experiences similar to yours. Both are great (as much as the single leg inpeak can be). What's really amazing is that when I compared inpeak and left assioma pedal reading (doubled), they usually gave the very same watts, sometimes 1-2W off at 300W per several minues at worst.
Looking like a great option versus Stages, assuming the signal strength is comparable.
Congrats and Major Kudos!!!!!! Fine work Sir!!
Well, looks like Inpeaks sales are going up! Well done.
You mean they will be in peak ?
Nice work!
Nice work - you and InPeak. Engenders confidence in a company when they make that effort. And it's nerdy. :) Now if you could get Wahoo to sort the low power - high speed flywheel resonance and add cadence for Kickr20 (hopefully!) I'd be a happy.bunny ;)
Be interesting to see what Stages & Pioneer do to their pricing now InPeak have solved their problems and are $100 dollars cheaper
I would have thought they'd have a similar setup in their own 'lab' for benchmarking their products before shipping.
wow, that is a pretty open report. they seem to be leaning into the "we're an engineering company, and we are making data acquisition devices" side of things (very good idea in my opinion). They could have dismissed the issue, or even provided a 1 sentence changelog to the effect of "updated correction(s) for sensor drift, works now"
Pricing is pretty good to... if only it wasn't a choice between 11 speed brifter upgrade or a power meter...
FWIW, the unit I ordered last month says "3" as the version in the app so I guess they've made changes since then.
Wow, this certainly looks the one to purchase, one question though. Inpeak sent you this particular power meter, would you be confident with those selling off the shelf being to be as accurate? Thanks
That's a good question. Given the 2nd unit they sent was still in need of some 'work' to get right, I don't suspect I'm getting anything special sent. Although the Internet will keep them honest. I'll wait to hear reviews and user experiences of others on this one.
Great review. I tried ordering one on the back of this review but unfortunately they don't ship to Australia yet unless your GPLama ;-)
Hmmm..... can they suggest where you can buy them internationally?
Shane Miller - GPLama no they just said “We are not currently selling to the Australian market, but we are trying to sell it soon.”
Any plans on reviewing their new dual crank Powercrank-E power meter?
If I can get a hold of one, sure.
@@gplama I own their R8100 Ultegra dual version and I think they successfully avoided usual Shimano pitfalls, just like 4iii and Stages, but would love to see your typical in-depth analysis :D
Where inpeak is manufactured?
Poland
Polska marka , polska moc ;)
@@Juni0R0011 Na stravie jeden ma. Jakies dziwne peaki sa chwilowe.
@@kuman1212 u mnie śmiga :) co to znaczy chwilowe peaki , bo zależy jak się jedzie w terenie zawsze trochę moc skacze, dlatego ustawią się uśrednianie 3s i wtedy wszystko elegancko ;)
Wrocław
Hello Shane! I am in the market for a powermeter and I am considering sending my crankarm to InPeak for installation. Is this option one you would recommend 4,5 years after the review? is this video still relevant? Have you tested the newer firmware updates?
Thanks a lot in advance
So if i have an ultegra r8000 on my bike i need to buy the inpeak model ultegra fc-r8000 ?
Great work Shane as always. Although, base on your knowledge and experience, which one between a pedal and crank base PowerMeter would be a good purchase for long term use? Thank you.
That depends on budget, compatibility, and if you need to stick to Shimano or SpeedPlay cleats. There's no clear winner to be honest.
@@gplama Thanks I appreciate it.
Would you choose this or stages gen3? As they go for similar price in UK Stages being on eBay. I guess the in peak as you get warranty?
The InPeak is still working very well. Line ball I guess. Your call on price/warranty/etc.
Interesting vid Shane. Great response by InPeak to the identified problem. As a consumer, that provides confidence in their company.
Shane, as you've done more testing, have your thoughts on single leg PMs vs dual leg PMs changed? My experience (I have a single leg PM, dual leg PM and Kickr Core) has been that the single leg PMs are producing sound results (and consistent). I generally have a fairly even leg balance (50/50 or 49/51). I'm wondering whether the supposed benefits of the dual side PM are not as important as the marketing departments are trying to convince us. For argument's sake, if someone had a more pronounced imbalance, a single leg PM may read higher or lower for that individual...does that matter if the PM is consistent?
Single side is fine up to a point. Dual is the true story though. It depends on the compromise.
Hello. May I ask if there will be a review of the Inpeak twin2 version, L+R, for Shimano? Thanks.
If I can get one.
@@gplama hey, are you working on a twin2 review? Thanks
@@Jeff-qd8bl Not at this point. I met with the team at Eurobike. I reached out a few months back. I didn't hear from them.
I don't understand why the fitting of the power meter on ultegra or dura ace crank is more expensive than 105 and other... the real cost to fitting it on crack is not the same?
A good question to ask InPeak.
105 is a solid aluminium block crank, Ultegra and Dura-ace are form from bounded hollow aluminiums shells. I can imagine fitting PM itself and calibration for heat cycles etc, can be different because of that
Shane what do you know about the latest/recent firmware update for the CycleOps H2 Hammer? Okay to update or should we stay away?
I haven't seen or heard anything about it sorry.
@@gplama Check it out if you get time, it's available in the US right now. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.
And what about the version of Inpeak v1?
Is it good?
🤷🏻♂️
I've been using a dual sided power meter for a while but had to replace it. My L-R balance has always been 47-53 or 46-54. Are there any options with any single-leg power meter to adjust for this difference to report a proper power vs having about 92-94% if I only used left leg? Thanks!
Some units have scaling. I used to like this.... but I'd rather see accurate power meters and people use left/right meters if they have imbalances (as the balance changes a LOT due to effort and fatigue)
@@gplama Thank you Shane!
4iiii app has got compensation so you can adjust your power difference.
🇵🇱👍🤙✌️
You like doing these videos so you get to show off your power ;)
I just want shit that works. A lot of shit doesn't work. Now this does.
I am making assumptions here, assuming most of us cyclists would like a power crank meter from having one on our turbo trainers, so looking for power numbers to match. I appreciate that you mostly use the AssiomaDuo to compare. Would it be just as simple to have turbo and power crank meter on at same time to compare? or is there a bit more to it than that. Im considering purchasing the InPeak, doing a comparison, if it doesn't match up, return said item. Cheers for all you do.
In this case, being able to look at L&R power separately helped Shane identify places where his own power was imbalanced, but the L only powercrank was measuring correctly.
@@andrewmcalister3462 Hi, I probably didn't explain myself very well. I was trying to ask that if having a crank power meter, on the turbo bike, would give similar numbers to that as on the Wahoo kickr. Just wanting to confirm results would be nearly the same. Then putting crank power meter onto best bike for outdoors, and seeing similar numbers to that as indoors.
Differences will apply due to: 1. Drivetrains losses 1-2%, 2. L/R imbalances that will vary with each user. 3. Measurement errors - Shane's video suggests these will be small.
1 person still hasn't updated their firmware!
Shane - are you concerned that manufacturers might be using you and your valuable testing infrastructure as free* consultancy rather than invest in more rigorous in-house protocols and wouldn't you be concerned that InPeak are, in a roundabout way, using your involvement (and therefore brand) in the update as a badge of quality? Let's face it, if I did a load of testing and provided feedback on their product they would never in a million years name-check me in their literature.
*I get the impression that you wouldn't charge for the service you are providing.
I don't know about anyone else but I feel like this general topic would make for a good dicussion in The Fit File since DCR must be in a similar position.
Excellent question. The cycling industry is full of unsubstantiated marketing claims because there's no industry standard certifications for the technology we buy. It's also full of paid promotions on the marketing and 'influencer' side of things too. That's what makes the world go around. Want a product to sell? Pay a shitton of cash to have it showcased by a few magazines and the stand-out TH-cam channels. Done. Does the product REALLY work? That doesn't matter.
At this point in time it's still early days for me trying to be heard in this industry. By that I mean it's still a work in progress proving that my testing protocols, data collection, methods/etc are valid and can be trusted. The recent Shimano based LR power meter issue I've written a report on has helped here. 100s of data points. Confirmation by a power meter designer/inventor, etc.
The response from Shimano has been ice cold on that. To put it politely. Compare that to Inpeak who reached out and acknowledged the issues, worked on them, and made a better product that changed my experience with their tech. That I applaud. They wanted to pass the Lama Lab Test. Shimano? They don't care. I'd say they're borderline fraudulent in their claims of accuracy. The others are in the same boat, so they've ignored it. The reason being - The problem can't be solved with the current cranks. And that's something they'd want to hide.
Anyhow - I'm ranting now...
I'm happy if a company can make a product that just works. And if it doesn't work, I'm happy to help out where I can to provide information that might assist them in resolving their issues. This TH-cam gig isn't forever. It's just so I can be heard, and can inform people sometimes what they're looking at purchasing is a steaming pile of shit.... or on the flip side, it's good. The real work is all away from the camera, testing, swearing, telling companies to shove their cease and desist letters up their arse, then... after all that... maybe putting together a video or two, so I can be heard and collect a few $ from TH-cam to keep doing what I'm doing. For now.
@@gplama Thanks for the detailed reply. I hope you realise how valuable your 'work' is to the viewers of this channel. The manufacturers are fools if they don't use your feedback but you do need to keep a tight grip on the integrity of your brand. Keep at it.
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