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You're not buying a used car - you're buying a used battery.
Exactly right
Plenty of floods not long ago. Condensation slowly corroding away at the electrics.
I’d never considered that but you are totally correct. I shall remember your line.
Many luxury brands loose their value due to depreciation because they are "money pits", expensive to maintain when something breaks. Buyer beware as EVs are no different.
Brillant 👌👌👍👍💯💯
Disposable, toxic e-waste
that's what ev stands for ewaste vehicle.
Spot on agree with you both just rubbish that's hard to get rid of.
Extremely trendy tho and attention gathering.(major selling point)
My ev is on 423,000 miles
Whatever I enjoy driving for free
I don't care if they are free with a packet of cornflakes, I don't want one.
Id take a free one. I could build 4 fixed wing drones with the motors.
The cornflakes would be more valuable.
I just want the cornflakes from this deal 😂
@@aaronbryan5095 I love corn flakes. I haven't had them in a long time. I wish I had some right now.
Ahh if you want comedy come here for a laugh a minute, then again maybe not.
Buying an EV, would be like buying used batteries for your torch.
How?
Funny, I harvest lithium cells from our local recycling centre, I've been building packs for many years (and machines that use them) totalling almost ten thousand cells for a variety of applications and the prices I pay for packs that yield a worthwhile gamble on used cells is around AU 10-15 cents per cell. The final test pass rate increases that cost to around 20 cents as about half the cells are useless (dead) and I grade them into four application categories. The best cells that retain over 80% of their capacity constitute only about 5% of the total number harvested, most of those that pass testing have degraded to between 60-80% of their original capacity. My sources are mostly from laptop batteries, cordless tools like vacuum cleaners and other power tools. Very few of these are more than 6 years old and will have had much less frequent use than any EV, so I would never ever buy a used EV for anything more than it's scrap value. The battery failure cost is really only a minor part of the failure risk. Even worse are electronic system failures, everything from the touch screen interface to BMS, ESC's and charge controllers, BCM, regen controllers, steering systems, hvac, driver assist systems... they are all built as cheap throwaway garbage that cannot be repaired and require only authorised specialist (licensed) stealers to work on. As these parts become obsolete overnight after a model run passes the warranty period, any failure beyond that point almost guarantees the vehicle will be scrapped with even minor failures. This is part of the grand plan, ideally they want to churn new cars at a much higher rate in order to generate more revenue for industry and government, at the end users expense.
@@alasdair4161 Thanks for posting, the truth is finally coming out.
@@Audioremedy0785 because it relies on a used battery. you know how many connections are in an EV battery pack? obviously not.
@@alasdair4161Ever made a battery pack for an electric skateboard?18650 batteries grouped into cells,with varying numbers of cells to form the battery.Just curious,I never managed to get my head around it.
Eliminate government tax subsidies for EVs! I have NO desire to pay for your toy.
Can I be put on this list too ? As I want no part of this GOVT Adjenda at forcing control (normally would not say stuch stupid conspiracy type B.S.) but the more the sleeping public looks into this in America. It's Not GOOD. For anyone but the Govt !
That government subsidy, which financially rewards compliance and punishes dissent, is being used to push the masses out of their cars and into mass transit, by sinuously driving up costs for everyone, especially poor and ordinary consumers. Poor people should _never_ be forced to pay more for everything so that novelty (EV) transportation is more affordable for the wealthy.
I have no desire to pay for your gas either but here we are...
@@Luka_3D Don't worry, Einstein, you're not. However, poor folks are forced to help lower the cost of EVs through several agency-created laws to reduce the MSRPs of EVs, and ensure profits for the EV industry. And here in the USA, the federal and state governments generate far more tax revenue from the sale of each gallon of gasoline than oil companies profit. And we're all stuck paying taxes to subsidize all sorts of electrical power generation, even through conventional means. All of this at the behest of the greatest contextual fraud of the age, "climate change".
@@Luka_3D and you dont. The so called corperate welfare you are talking about are TAX BREAKS, not money given to big oil.
EV's bit like trying to recycle a disposable nappy.
even worse a disposable nappy that could self combust at any moment!
The EV is more shit than the nappy
Same as politicians and for the same reason.
Ev battaries expencive to make expensive recycle, dangerous to recycle very unstable at that stage.
Just because there's a fire sale for a used EV doesn't mean you need to risk getting burned buying one.
Lol... Getting burned, monetarily and iterally...
Do you mean financially or getting incinerates.
Fire sale 🤣😂😅🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You will never, ever be involved in an EV fire. You are 50 times more likely to have a fire driving a hybrid and 20 times more likely in a petrol car. The facts are clear on this.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 "The facts are clear on this."
You didn't get your "facts" from that article The NYT ran for which they had to issue a retraction, did you? No government agency keeps track of car fires by fuel type.
NOT Touching NEW nor USED EV
Basically NO EV
Governments are so bad at making policies like this. Years ago, diesel was the way to go, now its disposable e-waste cars.
Don't forget LPG. Now finding LPG service stations is like finding EV chargers. Another government waste of money
I didn't fall for it that time either
No never been a fan of either of them
It's a very predictable tactic. They pushed people towards diesel on the basis of economy/cost and, believe it or not, environmental benefits over petrol. As soon as enough mugs adopted them the duty on diesel was raised, erasing any fuel cost savings at a stroke. Then the legislation began, emissions in particular, making the cost of manufacture and maintenance even higher as the fuel systems had to become ever more complex.
I didn't fall for it then and I'm certainly not going to fall for the obvious EV fraud either. All EV's are designed to do is destroy the automobile industry and force us out of our cars. They want us to return to feudalism, life in digitally controlled open prison for those who survive the depopulation agenda, that is.
Yes, and try to recycle them.
I love the fact that EV charging companies advertise on this channel 😂
They are not advertising on the channel as such. They purchase generic advertising space from TH-cam and then TH-cam decides where their adverts are inserted. You could say this if mguy put them in the actual video but he’s not
Oh the irony 😅
Gives me a giggle every time
Like the Polestar 2 ad I got before watching this loudly proclaiming ‘up to $10,000 off’ as if on cue.
@@unnamedchannel1237 exactly google bots are idiots
EVs are great for keeping robots (virtue signalling consumers) working for the state. 😂
What virtue am I supposedly signalling? Being smart enough to save hubdreds per month on gas?
@@TroySavary What you spent extra on your car buys me 250,000 miles plus of fuel. Plus your depreciation. Which of us was saving money again?
@@TroySavary I think you're a little lost there Troy, let me help you out. The Electric Viking is that way >>>>>>>>
@@TroySavary so your ev runs on stored electrons inside its battery... but what created those electrons? Also, why is it that every time we see an ev stuck on a highway, they always send out an internal combustion engine generator to charge it up? Weird!
@@OutrageHarvester My electrons are come from wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear. It's cute you muppets think that question is a gotcha. I bet mommy thinks you are smart, though.
I wouldn't know what comes to rescue an EV. I can read a charge gauge well enough to not be in that situation. Does getting stranded happen often to you?
ICE cars: Often four, or more, owners over their 20+ year lifespan.
EV cars: Probably no more than two owners over their 10 year useful lifespan.
I would be amazed if an EV will last ten years, once the battery pack is dead, that EV is scrap.
Ten years is a bum deal . So they gotta mine for more material to build another or at least consume heaps of energy for recycling still .
10 year old EVs are still going strong.
@@TroySavary We have some petrol cars 90 years old going strong. Not going to see that with battery cars.
@@lesliewelch6551 well it’s not is it. The battery pack lasts for about 12-15 years. And once that’s done you can just buy a new one and the car is as good as new?
As I've always said.
If the EV was a viable solution, the government wouldn't need mandates and legislation to force their sale.
Not true. People fear change. And they are more expensive. Well were.
It's like no one here understands the lifestyle of new technology.
@@Thargelios And yet the model T rocked the world without mandates. your arguement is flawed.
@@maddhatter3564 Yes because people needed to be encouraged to give up their horse and cart for a motorized vehicle.
Completely the same.
I don't disagree that EVs don't make sense for everyone. We'll continue to keep our GAS 4wd but use an EV for daily commutes.
EVs are an option. They are expensive though. I don't necessarily agree with the mandates or legislation either. People should have choice. But the Anti EV rhetoric in all these comments, is astounding. Most of it's based on incorrect 'facts', or FUD.
Cheap!!! I thought I saw one today on the footpath giveaway. On closer inspection it was a washing machine...appliances all look alike to me.
laptop with wheels
@@victorgrech1136 With way more bugs than a "AAA" game!
The difference between a washing machine and an EV, is that washing machines don't have jet flames and noxious fumes coming out of them.
With vision that poor, you should not be driving anyway.
@@matthewgodwin3050washing machine's are useful!
So basically ICE vehicles retain their value while EV’s value plummets. Factor in the initial huge costs of EV’s owning an EV is a lose lose situation.
Not if you factor in much lower running and maintenance costs
@@dps615 tyre wear on EV’s appalling. Public charging not only time consuming but expensive. Repairs astronomical. Insurance expensive. And so on and so on.
Not all cars. See how much a Range Rover is worth after five years
This would make perfect sense if any of it was true. As ice vehicles don’t retain their value and EVs values don’t plummet. If I’m being honest, you just sound like an idiot.
@@dps615 Running costs are higher due to the price of the electricity.
Most of the cost are depreciation (BEVs are more expensive), fuel (ICE is cheaper) and insurance (BEVs are more expensive due to the cost).
Don't think about depreciation, learn to plan around your vehicle, and accept compromises.
In return, you get to offshore your carbon and environmental pollution footprint to some town you've never heard of in Taiwan or Africa. The infertility, birth defects, and human rights violations attributable to your EV will be so far away, you'll fully be able to indulge in self-righteous and grandiose claims about the environmental friendliness of your vehicle.
Basically almost every 1st world country elitists' way of doing things
hahaha gold
Dont forget the purification and extraction of Rare Earths, necessary for all parts of the "transition to renewables" (including but not limited to EVs). This is one of THE dirtiest industrial processes. We wont do that in our country, will we? We'll offshore that, too.
Inertility and infant mortality are a positive sude effect ! Too many human beings with too much needs znd growing. Demograohy is the real problem ! We need more planets or ...
Well some people are so dumb that they will believe anything these sale yards tell them. The best way to burn your money, it's like buying a boat it will sit in the yard and rot away
If you're old.....suppose it could be cost effective, You won't need to buy a coffin or pay for your cremation they come free with the EV 😜 😂😂😂
Ooof 😆 Savage… but fair!! 🔥
@Symptomless_Coma_ Nice reference. Old School Charlton Heston : - ) I see the connection, like gas cars EV's need electricity to be made. Only with EV's they keep sucking up Electricity which comes from our Grid and as such NOT CLEAN ! Feeding Cole Powered Electricity into a EV is like cannabolism ! Awsome.
How much do they charge for removal costs? Cheaper than Dignitas?
So, to sum up.
The advantages of buying an EV are: ................(?)
The disadvantages are:
hours to charge, lack of good charging stations, charging extremely difficult for those without a garage, added hours in long distance driving due to charging breaks, much shorter distances before refueling (charging) is necessary, need for specialised towing vehicle if you run out of charge on a road, extreme danger to other vehicles if your car catches fire in a parking station, need for specialised firefighting equipment if your car catches fire, extreme danger of parking your car in your garage if it spontaneously catches on fire due to highly toxic gas followed by difficult to put out flames, likelihood your car will spontaneously reignite hours later, completely inaccurate mileage estimates on your dashboard due to many factors reducing your battery time, nonsensical controls designed to look like a computer that make driving a lot harder and more hazardous, drastically fast depreciation after purchase, relatively short battery life which necessitates extremely expensive replacement battery purchase, probable necessity of new car purchase after just a few years due to rapid outdating of EV car technology.
Ow come on, there's gotta be even more disadvantages than that! Think harder!
Honestly posts like this are embarrassing. I get it that you guys are super threatened by the constant rise of EVs. But you all sound like total idiots. When you all start talking about fire risk you totally lose any credibility.
Two advantages here in Australia. 1. It WILL reduce the amount of air pollution (not CO2, which is not a pollutant) in the cities. 2. It will reduce our dependence on foreign oil. In fact they are the ONLY two benefits. That said, some people consider that that is enough.
@@starpawsy they are much cheaper to run. They are much nicer to drive. Plus reducing air pollution is not a singular benefit. It will impact alot of things.
The biggest advantage is not paying £1.50 a litre to fill it up and maintenance for a fraction of the cost of ice cars.
All politicians must be forced to use EVs only and live with the inconvenience.
*Note To Self*: Become a politician to receive a free ev.
The irony of MGUY's videos is that I dont have premium you tube so get adverts during and at the end of them. They are all about EV's!
Get Premium; worth it for zero adverts
I haven't watched videos in over 5 years and I don't have premium.
@@frenchenstein OR JUST USE ANY BROWSER WIT AN ADBLOCKER
Just an addition, not worried about the ads, I was amused that when I watch MGUY being unkind to EV's all the ads are about EV's!
@@iangill8984 I get it. You can't get around them on the app, but you can on the mobile site.
I couldn't imagine even contemplating buying a huge pile of used batteries?
Well said
Scrap yards do it all the time. Took a bunch of batteries down to the recyclers recently - got $50 for them.
You're not really buying batteries. You're buying a one way ticket to a fiery death 🔥🔥🔥
@@matthewgodwin3050source? Or just made up facts.
And no. Showing a few ev fires does not equate to them all going up in flames.
@@Thargelios You know as well as I do that Teslas have a serious fire problem. Why the denial? Don't you want your Tesla to be safe? Tesla owners should be petitioning Elon to do a recall, and not trolling people online with nonsense. It's time you all grew up and started acting like grown-ups.
Welcome to the new Cuba where the cars are going to be endlessly repaired as poor motorists can't afford to go EV.....
One big difference is that the cars in Cuba are from an era when any garage mechanic could fix a lot of stuff on the car, namely electrical
Out of curiosity, I looked at replacing my wife's current car. I compared gas and equivalent EV models for less than 4 years old and less than 30k miles. Same age, EVs had on average half the mileage of the ICE, the EVs have lost 50%+ of their value whilst their gas equivalent lost about 25%. It's just like burning money.
Yeah that’s not true. But great story though!
@@Audioremedy0785 If you'd bothered to do some research, you'd know that what Dan said is 100% correct.
@@matthewgodwin3050 I have an ice an an EV that are both 4 years old. The value difference between the two that were both £42k 4 hears ago is £500. And the EV has done 30% more miles. I’ve cars are not losing 25% of their value after 4 years. It’s more like 30-40%. And an Ev is losing 40-45%. But they are exponentially cheaper to run.
@@Audioremedy0785 Everything you say about EVs in TH-cam comment sections is provably untrue. So I don't believe a word you say. You're probably not even a real person, just a tiresome bot.
@@Audioremedy0785 You can believe it or not, it's your problem. I checked a month ago when my wife's car needed a new clutch and checked again this morning before posting hence why I am confident in what I have posted. To cut to the chase, for the make and model my wife drives new EV: 32k, new ICE: 20k. 4 year old EV: 15k, 4 year old ICE: 15k. Average EV mileage: 10-12k with some as low as 6k, average ICE mileage: 20-24k.
I concede one point: it's anecdotal evidence, but I'm not going to spend hours on to check all the makes and models on the market, just do what's needed to make my wife happy enough.
Excruciating Virulent or E.V. are a good way of giving money away to get poorer.
In Canada, we have a saying. If Trudeau says something is true you know it's a lie. Guess what he demands we drive.
A marxist pushing marxism.
Not difficult to see nor understand.
How do you know he is lying?
(his mouth is moving)
The absolute worst thing one can buy is a used EV. ASSUME the battery needs replacement and make sure that reflects the purchase price of the car.
And the sad part... That the replacement and installation price of the battery is very often 50 - 100% of the retail price of the car.
And there you have it, the market value a 2 year old EV is about the same as a replacement battery cost in many cases, obviously a massive risk buying without a cast iron warranty, beware the small print I say, the phrase “ provided the vehicle has been operated according to recommendations” … that probably means charging to between 20 and 80% at all times and of course the charging record is held on the manufacturer database, no hiding it.
@@mellarner8253based on what facts?
New batteries are modular. A dead cell means a part of the battery can be replaced.
Or did you think it's one giant single cell battery?
@@Thargelios no , there are thousands and it is generally not recommended by manufacturers to replace a single cell in the same way you should replace all cells when you change batteries in any other device
@@mellarner8253 The batteries are in modules. And yes the are now made for modules to be replaced. You're not replacing individual cells.
Confirmed by the manufacturer when asked what happens if there's an issue with part of the battery.
Well at least Polestars are designed this way.
@@Thargelios Wrong, NO CURRENNT EV battery is reparable. "modular" means they can build as small or as big as they want ( like chryslers "modular engine that can be made in v6,v8,v10,v12 etc. but once its built it cant be changed.)
Unless they cost under £1,000 then they're nowhere near cheaper than a used combustion engine car.
They will be soon, eventually people will be giving them away free.
Facts. I think the article is misleading.
They can't compare sub 5 year ice cars that still retain most of their value vs a figurative paper weights that's value goes down faster than the 304 on the corner and expect me not to notice LOL
@@lesliewelch6551 buy my EV , just $750 (dont look that it needs a new $60,000 battery)
If you are looking at replacing your home what a great way to go just charge and wait. Just make sure your insurance has double the cover
What tablets are you on?
The best thing about EV's is that they identify idiots.
My Toyota RAV4 turned 30 this year. I spent just over $3000 on it this year after owning for approx 8 years. New clutch and timing belt. It has had 1 new battery in that time and is on a second set of tyres, spark plugs and leads replaced. From the day it arrived on a trailer looking all cute and dinky after purchasing sight unseen I have never regretted the purchase. We now have a fleet of 3, all similar age, 97 and 99. First gen Rav's are awesome! Have I kept this car too long and invested too much? I don't think so, cost me $850 delivered and has actually increased in value not just because of the work I have done but because they have seen a surge in popularity. ICE, ICE baby!
Support Toyota and buy a new one.
@@noelgibson5956 THINK OF THE POOR MEGA CORP!
A fool and his money...
Go away stan.
There are a bunch of over 100+ year old evs whos price has increased substantially due to their age if you really want to nitpick
@@Luka_3D no if you want to nit pick, youd point out the RAV4 is only 30 years old NOT 100
I have a company supplied EV meant for business trips. It is the need to plan and waste precious hours of your life around them that bugs me: Although it is supposed to have a range of 300 miles, in practice it is more like 200, especially in winter. Hence, I often take my 15 year old diesel for long trips and relax.
If you are needing to waste any time then you’re just not doing it right. Or making it up like most of the people in the comments here. I have an EV and spend far less time messing around than I do in my diesel.
@@Audioremedy0785So you still need the diesel? Got it.
@@Audioremedy0785 To be fair, lack of reliable infrastructure does often lead to a lot of wasted time. I can't count the number of times I had to help someone get a charger working. The fact that we can't get around with googlepay is absolutely inexcusable.
The hire companies in the UK are not buying EV/Hybrid vans anymore. Manufactures know their 20% EV mandate will be scrapped, that why they are selling none EV to hire companies. Its over, EV's are totally dead long term. :)
You say ‘it’s over’, you know that EVs are still absolutely smashing sales targets right? After 2 record breaking years, they are knocking it out the park. The only thing that’s ’over’ is the dominance of gas cars.
Funnily enough, my 2000 AU II XR8 Falcon was worth $7800 in the insurance value bluebook 3 years ago here in nz, last year when I insured it, it had gone up to $18000! And thats with 280k on the clock!
They don't make Australian Falcons anymore . It's now a sort after classic.
@@winstonsmith7801 yep and so many AUs were destroyed as burnout pigs that there are even less. I will never sell it but should stop daily driving it in a year or so probably.
According to Yorak Hunt’s TH-cam channel, the AU Falcon is the finest car ever made. So hardly surprising that the V8 AU’s second hand value is increasing. You have a slice of fried gold there my friend.
@@bruiser6479 All hail the great prophet
Hot potato! Negative equity!
So 10 years ago I bought a 10 year old car for $30K. Over the last 10 years I spent roughly $30K upgrading the car. I could sell it today for over $100K. What 20 year old EV could you make money on?
But Elon said that Teslas are an appreciating asset, not a depreciating asset. And he's NEVER wrong.
If you could retrieve the lunar rover I'm sure someone would pay handsomely for it and that's older than 20 years.
How many people buy cars to ‘upgrade’ them. Not many.
It is a must though. EVs are a terrible value (even before you count depreciation). The rule should always be: replace old tech with new tech that is equal to or better than the old tech that you are replacing. If you dig below the surface, you find out that EVs are terrible in so many ways. There are very smart people who missed this point or knew all along and were lying to us. We need honesty and objectivity otherwise you will cry wolf too many times.
@@DwayneSwanson-w2q do you have any understanding of EVs? You realise they are exponentially cheaper to run than IcE right? And that the deprecation is a few % more. It’s hardly masssive.
The day ice vehicles are banned, is the day i hang up my keys and hand in my license. I can neither support the Chinese car industry, nor the EV idea generally.
Look forward to you walking everywhere.. oh right. Platitude that you won't follow through with when the time comes. Right?
What about other alternative fuel sources? Biofuel and hydrogen? Would you consider a Mirai if the infrastructure was better?
@@Thargelios wow you can be arrogant when backed by Big Brother GUBMENT
@@maddhatter3564 Huh? I'm saying it's easy for people to make a stance until it's time to actually follow through.
One thing that hasn't been covered, is that if you are left with an Ev at the end of its life, you may have to pay a charge to scrap it, instead of getting paid to scrap it, as with a ICE car.
I am expecting that will the case.
Unlikely. Since most of the materials in the battery are recyclable and can be reused.
But hey, nice making made up facts based on... nothing
10 year old leaf batteries still go for 5k so I'd say you can make some money salvaging materials from them
@@Luka_3D Of course you can, but it's easier to just say they all end up in land fill because of FUD.
@@Thargelios total lies there is , currently, no way to recycle an EV battery.
Here in Merimbula NSW we have an “on demand” local bus service. About 2 weeks ago a new EV bus was being used for the service. Recently I notice that the former MB ICE is back providing the service. I wonder why?
I remember hearing (maybe on this channel) about EV buses being put (shoehorned) into service in some places and almost universally being out for repairs much, much more than normal buses. (Diesel/hybrid I guess).
EVs now face road tax in UK as well. If value new was > £40K, then tax is £600!
That's grim!
Cheap Chinese EV's coming to those who couldn't afford the first wave of expensive overpriced virtual signaling cars.
For those who wish to Burn Your Driveway!!!
And really what Chinese Electronics last more than 6 years anyway it's a f****** joke
They'll never be cheap here.
@@batmanlives6456 (B)urn (Y)ou (D)own is what I call them.
Cheap Chinese shite. Nobody will buy them.
Not the kind of wheel you want to fall asleep at...
Disposable vape 😂
Vapes dont self ignite like evs do .
@glennayers8073 yes they do.. check the news
Here in America, families like to take long road trips. We have a lot of good highways and beautiful scenic routes to enjoy. It seems to me that to take such trips in an "ICE" car, requires no more consideration than daily use. This is not the case with EVs. Attempting to take a road trip in an EV demands far more consideration. To put it as simply as possible, an ICE vehicle will take you and your family to your destination but with an EV, you will be "bringing" your EV more than it will be taking you. You will have to nurse it along, worry about this and that and spend a lot of precious vacation time waiting.
Yeah Americas charging infrastructure is way too unreliable. If your car has access to the Supercharger though then it is pretty comparable as long as your destination is not something like Alaska.
Regarding charging, in the outdoor power equipment (OPE) world, they recommend that to make the battery last as long as possible, it's best to let it rest for at least 30 minutes before charging and 30 minutes before putting it back in service. To charge it while hot, or not let it rest after charging will significantly shorten its useful life expectancy. YMMV.
Opinion: I recently had the opportunity of doing a couple of fairly long journeys in a Tesla. I could not fault the quality of the finish and the internal trim was excellent. The full length glass sunroof was a nice feature. The ride was fine but I missed the engine sound (I've always had, and will always choose manual transmission cars because of the enjoyment it gives motoring). What I absolutely hated about the Tesla was the huge screen, and how often the driver had their eyes off the road ahead for unacceptably long periods of time in operating the 'controls'. For people that need to use reading glasses the screen would be a massive problem and safety risk. Also, the thought of driving at night with that horrible screen glaring away is a no no. Bring back proper switches and increase safety! So, there is no way that I'd buy one of these milk floats. If you can afford to buy a new EV, you can afford the fuel for a proper stress free and much safer car.
What's your opinion on the Hyundai Ioniq 5 n?
As so often said, ICE cars can be kept running for years.
A new Audi engine had a water leak which was repaired, but after that the engine kept overheating, further investigation revealed water in the oil.
The engine was written off!
I watched the TH-camr strip the engine down and salvage all the parts.
All the engine needs is a new head gasket and the damage engine block can be repaired!
Damaged EVs are just scraped!
Amazing, nobody is salvaging parts!
Yes that happens. The ICE has well over 100 years head start and our understanding of the tech is very good. There are two factors that affect the life of an ICE: design flaws and natural wear and tear. Engine tech is more complicated these days but the basics still apply. If you faithfully maintain an ICE it has the potential to last for a very long time. In your example: I presume that it was a blown head gasket. What caused it? Design flaw or engine overheat. Engine overheat because the fluids were allowed to get too low -- oil and coolant. Change your oil and check your coolant frequently!
@user-mg4gw8mi6z in my example, it is known to have been a leaking water hose, what the TH-camr did not know is why the driver did not stop immediately the engine got hot!
The damage was severe over heating on the center cylinder both sides of the V6 engine.
Blowen head gasket and damage to the top of the cylinder block, but could be fixed by skimming the top face to get it flat again.
He will make more money selling the individual parts than selling it reassembled as a recon!
They do salvage parts. Look up Rich Rebuilds. He started a whole buisness repairing evs and salvaging parts.
@@Luka_3D 1 WHOLE MAN RECYCLES EVS??? we are SAVED.
I just replaced the battery in my 1962 Pontiac, still going strong after sixty two years. Another benefit is the appreciation in value; it has more than doubled over the last seven years so I guess that was a free battery. Chris Bowen can take a big hammer and bash those EV’s up his arse.
I wonder how many trillions of public monies have been thrown at making EVs attractive to buyers!
Still less than gas lol
I went out for a ride yesterday in my 11 year old MINI Cooper. filled the tank, went 253 miles, highway driving, back roads up hills with the AC on and sometimes sunroof open. Tank is about 3/4 full.
And not a moments thought about range anxiety, just enjoying the drive.
Went on a similar joy ride yesterday into the mountains. Stopped at a resort with chargers for dinner, 15 minutes later, set off with 60% and when I got home I was at 80% due to the regen. All in all the trip was around 500 km
Lol. Advert for Polestar 2 before your video with the words underneath ‘save up to $10,000’. Those deep discounts again.
Thanks Mguy, people are waking up.
My son bought me a fancy phone. Cause I'm old I'd proffer. One little surprise to me is the advisory that if I never charged above 80% my battery would last longer.
So, the same could be said for all these battery-operated contraptions I'd guess?? 100% charging is not NET ZERO! Although it all is pretty ZERO it seems.
Hopefully the current trend will encourage parts manufacturers to continue to manufacture in order to keep older cars going, surely that's more sustainable than building more EVs, which are a criminal waste of valuable resources
Again....Buying an EV is financial suicide.
I’m interested to know on what basis you are judging this. I have a £40k Tesla and a 40k bmw 3 series. I had them both valued recently and the Tesla is worth 26k and the bmw (which has done way less miles) is worth £26.5k. The Tesla costs me £1800 a year less to run than the BMW. How does that equate to financial suicide?
@@Audioremedy0785 you can buy a Dacia Sandero and it will have more range than the cheapest Tesla.
Plus the gasoline is also cheaper than the electricity for the same distance.
@@svr5423 so how much does gasoline costs to get you 600 miles?
@@Audioremedy0785 you can look up the prices for gasoline online. Same for most DC chargers.
NONSENSE, I bought a Mini Cooper Electric 4 years ago, to replace my Mini Cooper Petrol, so far in fuel savings and Central London Congestion Zone charge, savings over 4 years, (compared to running my old Mini Cooper Petrol) it has saved me, about £8,000,
Basically, anyone living in an apartment complex have nowhere to charge, eliminating a large portion of drivers from EV.
For car insurance, there must be a different market for electric vehicles, so not to affect ICE car owners. So, it's a totally different database so as not to pass on costs to ICE owners.
We could still crash into one and need to pay more unless it's one of those no fault states.
We could still crash into one and need to pay more unless it's one of those no fault states.
@TheBagOfHolding it's a completely different cost set. Just like HGV,s, motorcycles, helicopters. Why should ICE car owners be charged with the burden of these new vehicles. It has to be addressed. I'm sick of all these increases in premiums every year, with no reason behind it.
wrong, Insurance is ALL tied together. notice the next time a huge hurricane hits , then a month or so later your auto insurance surges.
@@maddhatter3564 then there needs to be a call for this not to happen. They should have their own databases
MGUY, given the name of your channel, I think you should clarify that the iSeeCars data is from the US market. It would still be interesting to see what the Australian figures are (where the only gas cars actually run on gas!)
Our second family car, my wife’s Ford Fiesta (1.4 auto -Titanium spec) is 12 years old with 57,000 miles on the clock. It gets an annual service, does 35MPG around town and 40MPG on longer runs. Whilst an EV may work to replace this car, the Fiesta will probably be running long after any EV needs a major investment in battery replacement.
An EV will save you a fortune in fuel costs.
@Audioremedy0785 maybe, but the depriciation on an EV, plus where to charge it (no driveway) means that we will keep the Fiesta running for as long as possible - at 12 years old it has little depreciation remaining, it is cheap to ensure (£150 per year fully comp) and I truly belive that e-fuels are part of the vehicle future too.
@@theonlywoody2shoes an EV can’t feasably be compared to that car. But if you are replacing it then they are worth considering. The depreciation thing is a total myth. When you look into it there is about 3-5% in it.
In most cases the battery outlasts the car. Just sayin
@@Luka_3D yeah. They don’t care about this though. They just like to make things up to make them sound bad.
I laugh at the ones charging at shopping centers. I don't need to refuel after the drive there to then be able to get home again. lol.
It's funnier when you see the drivers sitting in their cars, waiting for it to charge. How many hours of their life are they going to spend doing that?
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt I'd say they already waste their lives just phone swiping anyway so it matters not to them.
you dont buy a 2nd hand ev for the same reason you dont buy a 2nd hand smart phone... you dont know the condition of the batteries..
I would happily buy a second hand phone that had an 8 year warentee.
I'd hapily buy a used phone but tech is just moving at light speed right now so unless you find a good deal, it doesn't really make sense. EVs though? I'm eying a used Model S from 2012
@@Luka_3D a 5 year old Tesla is still fantastic and is able to do 90% of what a brand new one is. The beauty of software updates.
@@Luka_3D a 5 year old Tesla is still fantastic and is able to do 90% of what a brand new one is. The beauty of software updates.
@@Audioremedy0785 Yeah and I just adore the look of the early teslas. The front nose, more buttons,...
Mobileye autopilot is a bit out of date though ngl
When something new comes out , it’s expensive , my first VCR was $700 , came with a remote with a cord connected to it , stop , play , pause , It went the way of the Dodo bird , electric Dodo Cars
I would like to comment however, I’ve been warned that some of my observations are objectionable to someone. Therefore, I pledged to comply with You Tube rules and not make any more direct commentary about sensitive issues. Thanks for your program. Bill K.
Sensor ship is making it impossible to give negative feedback
If you give accurate information about EV fires and the collapse in EV sales, your comment very quickly disappears into the ether. Proving that you are right.
Hagersville was the site of a huge used tire fire in Ontario Canada. The mountain of tires burnt out of control until there was no more to burn. Imagine the future mountain of scrapped EVs
An EV is a manufacturer's wet dream, built in obsolescence baby.
You're delusional if you think planned obsolescence in the car market started with evs 😂
@@Luka_3D No delusion here, just stating they didn't have to work for it.
@@Grumpy_Stiltskin I think that's just any new technology. They use any excuse to make stuff hard to repair until consumers have enough and force them to make it repairable.
In high school we were taught that the family car is the second largest asset purchase the average family will make.
Not sure hyper depreciating disposable BYDs can be classed as an asset in the same way.
They are not really cap-ex, but more of an instant write-off expense. More like buying a phone.
This means you have to divide the purchase price by the relatively short time til disposal = high annual real costs.
EV depreciation is a myth. In the real world they're close to unsellable.
I’m assuming this is some kind of trolling comment to get attention because you know that EVs are literally smashing sales records constantly.
I bough one. I guess I don't exist lmao
Just happy to see others enthused by them. This world needs more happy people
Id get one if they crash enough. I drive like 5 miles a day maybe i can get a lead acid battery powered ev.
You might as well drive a Flintstone car instead lol
@@aaronbryan5095 a golf cart
Even disposing of a worn out EV is difficult and environmentally damaging.
Why? What's so environmentally damaging about taking out the battery and putting it to use in grid storage lol
I can see a day when used EV prices do go negative... it will happen when the owner must pay money out to dispose of their dead worthless car.
You are what is known as ‘mentally ill’
Ev's might very well depreciate below zero, as there might come a future scrapping-fee for getting rid of the battery.
Given that the last keeper is responsible for disposal costs, is their not going to be a time when someone is left holding the baby (bomb?) and cannot get anyone to take it, including scrappies?
Completely feasible that could happen.
It's no surprise that EV values are tanking. As you say, EV's depend on Fleets, Fanboys and Freebies. Fleets buy new cars. Fanboys generally buy new cars (they don't want outdated tech!), and they've already bought. There are no freebies for used EV's.
Furthermore, the downsides of EVs are becoming more evident.
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People around here are sick of it. A guy at a mate's workplace told the boss he was going to buy an EV and then charge it free at work to save on fuel costs. The boss asked why he assumed the company would pay for his fuel. After all, they didn't hand out free petrol or diesel to anyone. Said idiot did not go ahead with the EV purchase. What's we're seeing is an end to the patience we've all shown to free riders.
They are the same as iPhones, except that an iphone isn’t the 2nd most expensive thing that you will ever purchase. [no one wants a 2nd hand iPhone, and they are as cheap as heck]
They are the same iPhones in that they are revolutionary and smashing sales records out the park.
@@Audioremedy0785lol keep replying to every comment bot 😂
My 2012 Toyota RAV4 is an excellent vehicle that meets about 75% of my driving needs. It gets 23-24 mpg from its very strong 3.5L V-6 engine and up to 29 mpg on long road trips.
Currently, it has about 55k miles on it and likely will last me for as long as I am able to drive. It does great in snow and ice as well as in sand and mud, so it's very versatile. It does
not care how warm or how cold it is and just hums along doing its job. There is NO WAY that I would even consider trading it in on some POS EV. Not gonna happen! As to the
other 25% of my driving needs, they are met by my 2006 Ford F-150 4x4 pickup truck, with around 52k miles on it and starting, stopping, running, and driving like a new truck.
Its 4.6L V-8 engine gets the job done and gives me 17+ mpg. Not great but not that bad for a vehicle with its capabilities. Neither of these vehicles can or will be replaced by
any EV. Ever.
Definitely not 😂😂😂
eBay has 3 year old Tesla with 29k miles at £10k. That's still 10x more than I would value it at. They'll be giving BEVs away with fuel tokens to anyone who will take one away by 2030.
Noticed the different color in this video, your face has more red tint than your other perfect color videos ( that or my device is acting odd )
Looks OK to me.
Might of been the sun , just remembered he has a car with no roof.
Agree, definitly more red.
(Benelux) 93990€ for a tesla model S new and after 5 year a disposable throw away car...
Damn mate, first of, I want a fun two-seater sportscar for that kind of money, not a famely hatchback.
Second of, last car I had, a BMW Z4, she lasted me 10 years for less than 50K€ new... And non of the risks one takes with an EV. Aka no fire hazard, no explosion risks... Ready when I want it, not the governement.
They realy want to make car ownership something for the rich and famous only.
Great video but maybe get a hat when you're in the sun, high UV where you live!
It's winter and it's been raining in Sydney. The UV is very low. We live here mate, so don't tell us how the Sun works.
Looking at the prices online right now they look to expensive still. $6000 for a car with 35km range. $9000 for a car with a dead battery
First viewer 😂😂😂
well done! I keep trying and failing miserably! LOL
If you want to get rid of of something, you put a lower price on it.
hmm if I could get a less than 10 year old EV for say $5,000 (in say 5 years time when people are trying to get rid of them and there are lots for sale on verges) I’d get one to do the run to the shops etc. That way I’d preserve my ICE vehicles, which are going up in value, have provenance and are just simply fun to drive. I have an open driveway so spontaneous combustion doesn’t matter and the big bonus is, no one will steal it!!
On a cheap second or third hand EV, it's not just the battery cost to worry about. The cost of fixing any technical problems with the “No User Serviceable Parts” electronics will also result in scrapping the car.
You can check the health of a battery. All evs let you monitor individual cell voltages. If the voltages are out of balanced, you know the battery is crap. Other than that, the car is much simpler since there's no multi speed transimission, clutch or engine.
We have a saying here in the UK, "bought for the MOT."
This means that it has the mandatory 12-month certificate of road worthiness.
The second hand EV is bought for the MOT and scrapped as soon as it is cheaper to get another car than repair it !
With the ageing batteries it will soon be the case they are bought for the mot and cost less than £1000.
A 10 year old EV would be just £200, if the battery dies after six months who cares, it was cheap transport. If it lasts two years, what a result.
As an mot tester thought I'd mention back in 2021 testing pre check advice (reasons for rejection/refusal to test)for ANY E.V was " visibly inspect battery's for leaks and look for damaged cabling as it may result in death or serious injury" wording changed since but still the same meaning..........E.VS ARE DANGEROUS!!!
@geoffsclassiccars thanks for that!
If that 600 KV battery ever gets connected to the body work, just stepping out of the car would be instantly fatal.
All the cables to the inverter and drive motor can kill, be careful what you touch when working on the car!
The car works at the same voltage as industrial machines, we show the, 3 PH, 414 Volt 100 plus Amps machines all the respect they deserve!
My car is a 2002 model - I bought it at 8y/o and have had it for 16 years - its got a 3-litre engine but it did all its environmental damage somewhere around the millennium.
I’m pretty sure the most environmentally friendly cars on the planet are the Cuban jalopies still going that were made in the 1950’s as they did their environmental damage around 70 years ago.
If you want to save the environment, keep your old bangers running - changing your car on pcp every three years doesn’t help anything, whether it’s petrol, diesel or electric.
The evaporation of value which is correlated to expended effort which the outcome is earning cannot be sustainable or beneficial for the environment. It indicates a continuous increasing output of energy for diminishing returns. Completely inefficient.
Runaway consumption.
Working with very high voltage was never a consideration when training to be a car mechanic hence very few mechanics are even willing to look at an EV. It is totally different in every way and dangerous to work on. Ive worked on electro-mechanical equipment all my life and wouldnt touch one.
Well Simon as I commented in your news channel I suspect that sooner or later the insurance companies are going to realise how owners who park their EV's at or anywhere near their primary residence are risking setting alight to the house. As you know right now house and contents insurance is currently obscenely expensive and some just cannot afford it at all. As for battery degradation as far as I know batteries of any description degrade with age alone (I stand to be corrected of course) and EV batteries are far more likely to degrade by all of the issues you have quoted. Now I have seen quite a few Teslas and other brands around where I live and I have to smile to myself when I think of how that person is going to react when they want to replace their abomination.
Over the years I’ve been driving I have come across some innovative ideas for improving the efficiency of ICE vehicles. One which really piqued my interest was Firestorm Spark Plugs, developed my Robert Krupa. I followed the development of these plugs for quite some time but in the end the idea came to nothing despite all the proven benefits they clearly demonstrated in all the tests I’d seen. It turns out that the oil industry didn’t want a spark plug that lifted fuel efficiency to extremely high levels and plugs that lasted many years longer than ordinary plugs as it would affect industry profits, and that’s the problem. The oil and motor industry is its own worst nightmare when it comes to looking at improving its image in an environmental sense.
Enter the EV con. We now have what in my mind is a very devious attempt at shaping the world economy in accordance to a small group of sociopaths that claim the world will be a better place if we all bend over and take the ridiculous fraud of EVs right up out fiscal rear ends when in reality EVs are far more wasteful than a REALLY efficient ICE vehicle. It’s simply madness.
Your traditional lead acid battery for your ICE vehicle depending on who makes it can lasts on average between 4 years and up to 7 years in rare cases. Yes I have had a few last close to 7 years so its possible with certain brands. You can do simple SOH checks on a lead acid battery with six cells and its not that expensive to replace. However a used EV battery pack of thousands of cells is going to cause you grief, usually sooner than later and it will not be a cheap replacement.
Good work Simon! Keep telling us Aussies the truth about these abominable vehicles! Like you im not anti-ev just realistic!
Here in Alabama you see a Tesla once in a while. It's much less costly to wear a t-shirt that says " I'm Stupid"
My two vehicles are petrol and diesel. Had them for years. One is 24 years old and the other is 18. Haven't used up too many resources with them.
Same goes for used values for Hybrids but in spadeloads.
Many don't see it yet though: small batteries constantly battered often with not very good battery management or cooling, substandard on board chargers and electric power control units straight out of China.
But give it time and many used Hybrids will become unsellable
Some of the worst Hybrids are already known to be prone to crapping out quickly
Need to very clearly understand what is ( and is not...) covered by those makers warranties
A BMW PHEV battery for example is covered for 6 years but only for a misery 60,000 miles.
After which you are on risk for a new €12 000 battery plus fitting
Others will cover 100,000 miles but will only do work which takes battery up to 70% of original capacity,
Why? Because they know there is a wall of Hybrid battery misery coming down the pipe.
Thank you for all the good work you do.