I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR POINT ABOUT JOE AND BRIAN AS VOLDEMORT AND QUIRREL! like its aged so well because they didnt see the couple as a joke they saw them as two people in love and i have a lot of respect for them because of that
Although I understand why people don't like the Umbridge stuff in 2021, I still love the songs and moments simply because I think Joe sells them so well. In pretty much any other show or group it wouldn't be as good/tolerable, but damn, the writers and actors are SO in love with what they ar doing that I get caught up in their energy
Finally someone who admits how bright of an underrated gem "To Have a Home" is! I don't cry much, but that one is one of the easiest ways to get a tear from me.
Since I can't help myself, I just have to state my opinions, here's the long comment: Disclaimer: I liked this list a lot, I even fully agree with most of the comments. However, obviously there are some things I'd disagree with. We're different (not as can be, but still) people after all. Here are some unorganized thoughts: Personally, while "Umbridge arc" is kinda iffy in current world, it still is sufficiently original to not annoy me much. It's not the same_reactionary_joke_about_the_trans_issues_ever (also if I recall correctly, she's actually a cis woman in the show, to a big surprise for Dumby, who hoped for a Drag Queen), so it's not really that tiring. Though I won't defend Stutter more, as it's not a great song either way imo. I disagree on the placement of "Missing You". Yes, it has a certain common structure to it, but all but the best songs have that property as well, and out of the Starkid male duos, that one I think is the best one, it is absolutely necessary to the Quirrelmort arc, builds some interesting parallels and Brosenthal's vocals are simply beautiful (the rest of the song is as well). I'd rank it in my top 10. While we're on Quirrelmort, I'd rank "Different As Can Be" a bit higher. Imo it has the most hilarious lyrics in the whole of starkid, though I understand it doesn't have the same "singability" as some other Starkid hits. On the other side, I personally don't like "Not Alone" that much for the exact reason you listed earlier. It just feels "too cliche" for me. It's not bad by any means, but it doesn't stand out for me. Personally I'd rank "This is the End" higher. It's not brilliant, but I can't deny it's a bop. "To Dance Again" is not necessary my cup of tea, musically speaking, but I really like "Always Dance". I guess I'm weird. I adore Jeff Blim's voice, I think he's one of the greatest singers in Starkid (yeah, you guessed it, I was raised on hard rock), but "Get in my Mouth" feels really out of place in the narrative. It's a cool song, but I'd rank it somewhere around the middle. Finally, I like that they decided to go a little "metal" with "Voldemort Is Going Down" (when done right, it resulted in "Twisted", which is imo in the top 3 best Starkid songs period), but this time it felt a bit repetitive. I won't try to make a full list, that's too much thinking, but if I were to make the top10, it would be something along the lines of: 10. "Wizard of the Year" 9. "Missing You" 8. "Everything Ends" 7. "Sidekick" 6. "Different As Can Be" 5. "Days of Summer" 4. "Always Dance" 3. "Harry Freakin' Potter" 2. "To Have a Home" 1. "Back to Hogwarts" (duh)
honestly im sooooo surprised that “I was” is ranked so low bc its lowkey my favorite song from avpsy but I respect your opinion either way !!! and all this video proved is how much I absolutely adore this trilogy and how I need to rewatch it !!!
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING "DAYS OF SUMMER" IN THE TOP 5! It's one of my favourites, along with "To Dance Again", "Always Dance," "Different as can be" and "Stutter" (I agree with you on your Umbridge opinion but like "Stutter" is such a great song!)
4:12 !?!??! HOLY SHIT! Was anyone going to tell me sooner that lucius and mcgonagall were played by tyler or was I going to have to find out through this???? im in shock i didnt even realise that was the same man who played cedric im,,, i... !?
i feel bad for liking joe walker as umbridge. yes, i know it is problematic and that it shouldn't be excused, and i get the whole thing being "man playing a woman" but i feel the joke is more to do with joe walker being umbridge specifically? like, pick the "big buff man" to play a feminist umbridge and i feel the casting was to do with the group they had. i also think it's just the way they put umbridge into the story that makes it problematic - i think without the whole dumbledore bit, it would have been so much better, and i can get how at the time, it would have been funnier and less problematic. i don't know... i think remove the weird voice and the whole dumbledore storyline bit with umbridge, and it would be "less" problematic in a sense and just be more like the whole having lauren as draco. long story short, i feel the idea is good in theory, but the execution was just not right, with the script *and the voice*. i will still enjoy stutter though, and no one can stop me.
@@katieknott349 it's more the way they chose to have umbridge be played, and that it was a man doing it, if that makes any sense? I'm not totally sure how to word it, so I'm not sure if it does make sense, but hopefully
@@mollywinchurst2056I still don't get it. It's just a man playing a woman. He's not playing a trans woman, he's playing a cis woman who just happens to be buff. I don't see how that's different from Draco, Crabbe and Dean all being played by women or McGonnagal being played by a man. And I REALLY don't get how her voice is problematic...
@@justmebeingmyself4679 even though the character isnt trans, there are a lot of "trans" stereotypes that the jokes rely on (and I say "trans" because they arent correct of trans people) of it being a man in a dress, and the whole relationship with Dumbledore that is built on her being mistaken for a man I do also get where you are coming from with your draco point, and other characters like that - I dont think that's the issue here, hell, I've been cast as men before in shows. Its the fact that with umbridge, the whole joke of the character is that it is a man who looks very "masculine" playing a woman, and giving her very stereotypically masculine traits. I dont mean to say they intentionally did it to be problematic - nick lang has talked about how they now recognise it's not great. But like I said in the original comment, i think the joke was more about it being joe walker than it being a man, but that doesnt stop the fact that it relies on the facts its "man in a dress". Its a bit like the Devin as Cho - they didnt make the choice to be problematic, they did it because of the group and the dynamics they had as friends and so to them for their little college show, casting their very southern white friend as cho was funny, but now looking back, Devin very much steps away from cho as she feels she took the role from the woman who played lavender. Both these shows (AVPM+S) are both very much products of their time, which is why they have bits which wouldnt be okay for them to do now but were "fine" then In terms of voice? I have no idea - I posted that comment a couple years ago, so I probably saw something talking about it being problematic, but have no idea now what that would be Coming back to this two years later, I no longer feel bad for liking joe as umbridge, but I still get the arguments of it being (albeit accidentally) problematic Does that make sense? I've tried to word it in a way that does
@@mollywinchurst2056 Yes, that absolutely makes sense! Thank you for the fast reply! I see your point, especially since you elaborated it further. But, even now, being aware of the kinda problematic side of her portayal, I still enjoy Umbridge as a character and how Starkid managed to completely change her but still kind of keep her true to the original. And I still love how she displays many characteristics that modern society teils us are "manly" (like eating nothing but protein shakes, falcon eggs and ROCKS!!!) but even the narrative tells us that it doesn't make her any less of a woman. She's kind of a feminist icon, really. And I think that somehow the fact that she's played by a man is helping with that, and I don't know if that makes sense, but it feels right in the moment. All in all, "Stutter" is still a bop. (As for the whole Dumbledore storyline, yeah, it makes me a little bit uncomfortable, too. Especially the part where Dumbledore tells Snape about how he disapperated after seeing her genitalia, which gives me the weird, icky vibe of the old sitcoms where a man would tell his buddy a story about "catching a trans" or something. But I like the second part of the story, because it establishes Umbridge as a character. I mean, it makes sense, looking at her upbringing, that she would have such a low self esteem that she would cling herself onto the first man that showed her affection. If this was real life, I would have preferred Umbridge's happy end being therapy and not a hot centaur boyfriend, but oh well.)
I always love your commentary! :) Yes To Have a Home is beautiful and now that you mention being 8 and reading Harry Potter it makes me think of being 11 and reading A Wrinkle in Time and for the first time really feeling like I belonged and was understood. I would bring it everywhere, and I memorized large sections of it... it meant so much to me.
Agreed with all of your commentaries. Also, "No way" is my alarm clock 🙃 so it has a special place in my heart like "Back to Hogwarts" is the song that had get me in Starkid and later in musicals so yeah ❤️
I feel so bad, it’s a really nice song :( I don’t know how I could just miss it but in my defense I did edit this in the middle of the night completely knocked out by my second vaxx
I completley agree with all except I'd switch "To Have a Home" and "I Was" because to have a home makes me cringe so much (sorry, just my personal opinion) and I Was gives me chills every dingle time
I was thinking the whole way through like ‘granger danger hasn’t been yet, it must be high’ and then it got to sidekick, and I was like ‘granger danger’s first’ but NO it was back to hogwarts??? I was so confused
Im trans and the whole Umbridge thing makes me so incredibly uncomfortable. Like not that Joe's playing her, I like how she looks with Joe playing her, but the whole Dumbledore-Stpryline is just so... no It's the reason I dont watch avps too much although it has so many great parts and songs
Honestly there's so many really really good songs it's very hard to pick and there's always ones I feel I ranked too low, but then I look back at all the other ones above and it's just impossible to put them any lower.
Umbridge has not aged well at all however Stutter is one of my favorite songs cuz I listened to it a lot after my break up. I enjoy “fuck you” breakup songs and not “I’m sad” breakup songs.
@Katie Knott well from what I know the biggest issue is the dumbledore/umbridge storyline compared to the current conservative American narrative of portraying trans women as "just a man in a dress pretending to be a woman" which is exactly what dumbledore thought about umbridge. I personally find avps umbridge quite funny compared to the books/movies (I'm sorry but Imelda Staunton always gives me the creeps now) and stutter is one of my favourite songs but that storyline was just not a very good choice and is quite cringey nowadays
I'M SO SORRY LADS I FORGOT GRANGER DANGER. Just put it exactly where you personally would rank it in your mind.
number 1
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR POINT ABOUT JOE AND BRIAN AS VOLDEMORT AND QUIRREL! like its aged so well because they didnt see the couple as a joke they saw them as two people in love and i have a lot of respect for them because of that
Although I understand why people don't like the Umbridge stuff in 2021, I still love the songs and moments simply because I think Joe sells them so well. In pretty much any other show or group it wouldn't be as good/tolerable, but damn, the writers and actors are SO in love with what they ar doing that I get caught up in their energy
Yeah, I feel like it's not really "haha man is a wooman!" and more like "haha joe walker is a umbridge!" if that makes sense?
@@beegbeeg507 totally
Finally someone who admits how bright of an underrated gem "To Have a Home" is!
I don't cry much, but that one is one of the easiest ways to get a tear from me.
Since I can't help myself, I just have to state my opinions, here's the long comment:
Disclaimer: I liked this list a lot, I even fully agree with most of the comments.
However, obviously there are some things I'd disagree with. We're different (not as can be, but still) people after all.
Here are some unorganized thoughts:
Personally, while "Umbridge arc" is kinda iffy in current world, it still is sufficiently original to not annoy me much. It's not the same_reactionary_joke_about_the_trans_issues_ever (also if I recall correctly, she's actually a cis woman in the show, to a big surprise for Dumby, who hoped for a Drag Queen), so it's not really that tiring. Though I won't defend Stutter more, as it's not a great song either way imo.
I disagree on the placement of "Missing You". Yes, it has a certain common structure to it, but all but the best songs have that property as well, and out of the Starkid male duos, that one I think is the best one, it is absolutely necessary to the Quirrelmort arc, builds some interesting parallels and Brosenthal's vocals are simply beautiful (the rest of the song is as well). I'd rank it in my top 10.
While we're on Quirrelmort, I'd rank "Different As Can Be" a bit higher. Imo it has the most hilarious lyrics in the whole of starkid, though I understand it doesn't have the same "singability" as some other Starkid hits.
On the other side, I personally don't like "Not Alone" that much for the exact reason you listed earlier. It just feels "too cliche" for me. It's not bad by any means, but it doesn't stand out for me.
Personally I'd rank "This is the End" higher. It's not brilliant, but I can't deny it's a bop.
"To Dance Again" is not necessary my cup of tea, musically speaking, but I really like "Always Dance". I guess I'm weird.
I adore Jeff Blim's voice, I think he's one of the greatest singers in Starkid (yeah, you guessed it, I was raised on hard rock), but "Get in my Mouth" feels really out of place in the narrative. It's a cool song, but I'd rank it somewhere around the middle.
Finally, I like that they decided to go a little "metal" with "Voldemort Is Going Down" (when done right, it resulted in "Twisted", which is imo in the top 3 best Starkid songs period), but this time it felt a bit repetitive.
I won't try to make a full list, that's too much thinking, but if I were to make the top10, it would be something along the lines of:
10. "Wizard of the Year"
9. "Missing You"
8. "Everything Ends"
7. "Sidekick"
6. "Different As Can Be"
5. "Days of Summer"
4. "Always Dance"
3. "Harry Freakin' Potter"
2. "To Have a Home"
1. "Back to Hogwarts" (duh)
honestly im sooooo surprised that “I was” is ranked so low bc its lowkey my favorite song from avpsy but I respect your opinion either way !!!
and all this video proved is how much I absolutely adore this trilogy and how I need to rewatch it !!!
I am 100% here for the Get In My Mouth rights but even I have to admit that was *BOLD*. Respect (ps your commentary is goddamn delightful)
I strictly refuse to apologize, Jeff sounds INCREDIBLE and it's a hilarious song!!!
@@GoodMorningButch Why would you ever apologize? The song and Jeff's interpretation are AWESOME
Okay I'm sorry but Let The Games Begin is awesome simply for the choreo and Lauren shouting "we're gonna kick your ass" repeatedly 😂
The Sidekick song is an absolute MASTERPIECE! ❤️
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING "DAYS OF SUMMER" IN THE TOP 5! It's one of my favourites, along with "To Dance Again", "Always Dance," "Different as can be" and "Stutter" (I agree with you on your Umbridge opinion but like "Stutter" is such a great song!)
4:12 !?!??!
HOLY SHIT! Was anyone going to tell me sooner that lucius and mcgonagall were played by tyler or was I going to have to find out through this???? im in shock i didnt even realise that was the same man who played cedric im,,, i... !?
Me finding this channel run by a anticapitalist lesbian who loves Jeff, Corey, Jamie and Meredith: THE MESIAHH??!!?!
12:58 when they kissed at the end of avps and it made me so happy sorry i just wanted to say this because it just!!! happy!!!
i feel bad for liking joe walker as umbridge. yes, i know it is problematic and that it shouldn't be excused, and i get the whole thing being "man playing a woman" but i feel the joke is more to do with joe walker being umbridge specifically? like, pick the "big buff man" to play a feminist umbridge and i feel the casting was to do with the group they had. i also think it's just the way they put umbridge into the story that makes it problematic - i think without the whole dumbledore bit, it would have been so much better, and i can get how at the time, it would have been funnier and less problematic. i don't know... i think remove the weird voice and the whole dumbledore storyline bit with umbridge, and it would be "less" problematic in a sense and just be more like the whole having lauren as draco.
long story short, i feel the idea is good in theory, but the execution was just not right, with the script *and the voice*.
i will still enjoy stutter though, and no one can stop me.
Can I ask, what is wrong with A man playing a woman? Or is it specifically a man playing umbridge?
@@katieknott349 it's more the way they chose to have umbridge be played, and that it was a man doing it, if that makes any sense? I'm not totally sure how to word it, so I'm not sure if it does make sense, but hopefully
@@mollywinchurst2056I still don't get it. It's just a man playing a woman. He's not playing a trans woman, he's playing a cis woman who just happens to be buff. I don't see how that's different from Draco, Crabbe and Dean all being played by women or McGonnagal being played by a man. And I REALLY don't get how her voice is problematic...
@@justmebeingmyself4679 even though the character isnt trans, there are a lot of "trans" stereotypes that the jokes rely on (and I say "trans" because they arent correct of trans people) of it being a man in a dress, and the whole relationship with Dumbledore that is built on her being mistaken for a man
I do also get where you are coming from with your draco point, and other characters like that - I dont think that's the issue here, hell, I've been cast as men before in shows. Its the fact that with umbridge, the whole joke of the character is that it is a man who looks very "masculine" playing a woman, and giving her very stereotypically masculine traits.
I dont mean to say they intentionally did it to be problematic - nick lang has talked about how they now recognise it's not great. But like I said in the original comment, i think the joke was more about it being joe walker than it being a man, but that doesnt stop the fact that it relies on the facts its "man in a dress". Its a bit like the Devin as Cho - they didnt make the choice to be problematic, they did it because of the group and the dynamics they had as friends and so to them for their little college show, casting their very southern white friend as cho was funny, but now looking back, Devin very much steps away from cho as she feels she took the role from the woman who played lavender. Both these shows (AVPM+S) are both very much products of their time, which is why they have bits which wouldnt be okay for them to do now but were "fine" then
In terms of voice? I have no idea - I posted that comment a couple years ago, so I probably saw something talking about it being problematic, but have no idea now what that would be
Coming back to this two years later, I no longer feel bad for liking joe as umbridge, but I still get the arguments of it being (albeit accidentally) problematic
Does that make sense? I've tried to word it in a way that does
@@mollywinchurst2056 Yes, that absolutely makes sense! Thank you for the fast reply! I see your point, especially since you elaborated it further. But, even now, being aware of the kinda problematic side of her portayal, I still enjoy Umbridge as a character and how Starkid managed to completely change her but still kind of keep her true to the original. And I still love how she displays many characteristics that modern society teils us are "manly" (like eating nothing but protein shakes, falcon eggs and ROCKS!!!) but even the narrative tells us that it doesn't make her any less of a woman. She's kind of a feminist icon, really. And I think that somehow the fact that she's played by a man is helping with that, and I don't know if that makes sense, but it feels right in the moment. All in all, "Stutter" is still a bop.
(As for the whole Dumbledore storyline, yeah, it makes me a little bit uncomfortable, too. Especially the part where Dumbledore tells Snape about how he disapperated after seeing her genitalia, which gives me the weird, icky vibe of the old sitcoms where a man would tell his buddy a story about "catching a trans" or something. But I like the second part of the story, because it establishes Umbridge as a character. I mean, it makes sense, looking at her upbringing, that she would have such a low self esteem that she would cling herself onto the first man that showed her affection. If this was real life, I would have preferred Umbridge's happy end being therapy and not a hot centaur boyfriend, but oh well.)
I always love your commentary! :)
Yes To Have a Home is beautiful and now that you mention being 8 and reading Harry Potter it makes me think of being 11 and reading A Wrinkle in Time and for the first time really feeling like I belonged and was understood. I would bring it everywhere, and I memorized large sections of it... it meant so much to me.
Return of the Queen
at this point my video schedule is once every few months I drop something that flops lol ✌️
Top 5 is ON POINT. "To Have A Home" is such a gem 🥺
How did I never notice dancing Dylan before I love that so much for him
Agreed with all of your commentaries. Also, "No way" is my alarm clock 🙃 so it has a special place in my heart like "Back to Hogwarts" is the song that had get me in Starkid and later in musicals so yeah ❤️
My alarm is Jane's A Car!
Yes, I respect all of these choices, especially your top two. Immaculate!
Was there really ever any doubt that Gotta Get Back to Hogwarts was gonna be 1#?
Not for a second
It was inevitable
I was is one of my favourite songs how could you place it this low 😭
But tbh theres so many amazing songs in the avp trilogy so its hard to decide
hahahahaha "editing this has made me realize how many AVPT songs are just two men eventually harmonizing after parallel solos"
I just finished the trilogy and I'm getting homecoming for cristmas let's go
IM SORRY HOW DOES TONIGHT THIS SCHOOL IS MINE RANK SO LOW
It's probably my favorite
Yeah YOUR favorite, not mine. I'm a completely different person than you. Tastes aren't universel.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT TOP 3 SONGS!
:D yay I was hoping for this
School is mine is the song I imagine Gilderoy is playing the piano in-universe, TBH.
I’m also forever living in a world where Harry lived with Sirius after year 3
I'm American and don't care about sports.
I'm guessing Granger Danger would be very low then lmao
Realistically if I hadn’t forgotten it I think I’d have placed it just above Not Alone and below Always Dance at #11
@@GoodMorningButch To be fair I was waiting for it, thinking I knew what 1 and 2 would be, only to realise I forgot Sidekick.
I feel so bad, it’s a really nice song :( I don’t know how I could just miss it but in my defense I did edit this in the middle of the night completely knocked out by my second vaxx
I cannot BELIEVE “i was” is so low, that is insane
I completley agree with all except I'd switch "To Have a Home" and "I Was" because to have a home makes me cringe so much (sorry, just my personal opinion) and I Was gives me chills every dingle time
Nothing bad with having your own tastes!!! This is a sum up of mine but it's very personal.
Where's Granger Danger?
I was thinking the whole way through like ‘granger danger hasn’t been yet, it must be high’ and then it got to sidekick, and I was like ‘granger danger’s first’ but NO it was back to hogwarts??? I was so confused
holy shit I forgot it 😬😬😬😬😬
@@percykerfoot03 I forgot omg I can't believe I let one slip 😭😭😭😭😭
@@GoodMorningButch dont worry, we all know it’s at least top five ;)
Im trans and the whole Umbridge thing makes me so incredibly uncomfortable. Like not that Joe's playing her, I like how she looks with Joe playing her, but the whole Dumbledore-Stpryline is just so... no
It's the reason I dont watch avps too much although it has so many great parts and songs
Completely agreed. It was in super poor taste.
Where is granger danger?
I feel like no way could have been higher but it is a lot of songs to sort through and AVPS is properly the worst one
Honestly there's so many really really good songs it's very hard to pick and there's always ones I feel I ranked too low, but then I look back at all the other ones above and it's just impossible to put them any lower.
Umbridge is the reason I stopped watching a very potter sequal i was just to uncomfortable
Umbridge has not aged well at all however Stutter is one of my favorite songs cuz I listened to it a lot after my break up. I enjoy “fuck you” breakup songs and not “I’m sad” breakup songs.
How did Joe Walker as Umbridge not age well?
@Katie Knott well from what I know the biggest issue is the dumbledore/umbridge storyline compared to the current conservative American narrative of portraying trans women as "just a man in a dress pretending to be a woman" which is exactly what dumbledore thought about umbridge. I personally find avps umbridge quite funny compared to the books/movies (I'm sorry but Imelda Staunton always gives me the creeps now) and stutter is one of my favourite songs but that storyline was just not a very good choice and is quite cringey nowadays