thanks FrameJW! Despite not feeling well, I did not miss a single watch. In fact, once I was up in the cockpit I, for the most part, felt fine. I have certainly found that if my attention is occupied with other things the seasickness is not as much of an issue...perhaps I simply need to stay busy? At any rate, this was my first big offshore voyage...next time will be better and I can't wait! --- cheers, Mo
Looks like lots of fun sailing to all different places, and probably a good way to save lots of money on air-fare. But there's always that possibility of encountering a severe storm at sea.
Thank you for sharing this video as it's difficult to find videos of rough seas. This was great. I hope you weren't scared bc from someone who's stuck on land I'd be pretty uncomfortable.
Drake and Monique your videos are great. I feel for you Monique, I've been sea sick on a few occasions and had to stand watch with it. Drake is right though, it's largely a mental thing. Stay strong! You'll make it. Also, for me the first bout of sea sickness was the worst. The other times weren't nearly as bad. Try to keep a positive attitude.
hey barry. feeling sick was the pits, but there were so many other awesome aspects to the voyage that i feel it was all worthwhile. (okay, could totally do with less sick, but *shrug* what can you do?) we're glad you like the videos and look forward to releasing some cool footage in the coming weeks, including *gasp* my first interview.
Hi Drake, great videos! Keep the coming. BTW it would be nice if you comment about the differences of the boats you crew on and your Westsail. Thanks, Nick
most people who go out on the water do not protect themselves from the sun and this contributes to their sea sickness .... MO is showing considerable redness in the face one thing is it is important to get up and move around on your feet .... becoming one with the boat ( laying down against the boat absorbing every roll rock and bump ) prolongs sea sickness .... on your feet you can absorb and minimize the motion. .. one thing also is sailors in the past slept in hammocks for a reason they minimize the motion on the body allowing great sleep which is necessary to get over sea sickness .... fatigue will prolong it. .... imagine if you were isolated from the boats motion by shock absorbers. .. looking at all the motion around you could still make y you sea sick ... looking at the horizon finding a fixed object helps
Fantastic video Drake and Mo. I think I would sail under A.J. Smith any day of the week. Seems like you could learn quite a bit from him. What is the next big voyage for Paragon, and will you be taking Mo?
Thanks for the concern MarkTarsis. There are some remedies I will try next time and *fingers crossed* hope they work. It seems that, unfortunately, there is no one option that works for everyone. One woman swore that the relief band (a device that looks like a watch, but emits an electrical shock) was a lifesaver for her. Others recommended ginger, pills, etc... I'm optimistic that I will find some solution. ---cheers, Monique
Fatty foods will make you seasick. It's best to stick to fruits (bananas, grapes, mangos, etc.) and low fat/ low sodium cooked veggies (rice, potatos, corn) when sailing. I would never eat an egg and sausage meal before or during sailing.
A bit of a beginners question if anyone can assist. I've leant to heave to by tacking or gybing but it looks like you simply bore away a bit, then when the jib was slack pulled it through the other side, tightened it up and then came back into the wind locking the wheel once you hit that stop point? Have I got that right? If so that seems a much better way than I've learnt. I guess the only potential downside is that you keep moving forward whilst doing it which sometimes may be a problem. Also can this be tricky i.e. bearing away too much in higher winds? Thanks.... PS that captain certainly knows his stuff.
The technique of heave to was for old designs that had a lot of weight in the keel and much higher wind speeds. A modern keel boat would fall over with the mast in the water. There are heavy weather sailing books with different solutions. Heaving to has the risk or waves breaking over the boat and rolling the boat.
Hi Doug, What are some of your favourite heavy weather sailing books and different solutions for dealing with extreme heavy weather? Have you employed any of them in heavy weather conditions? What was your experience?
I had a 1985 Morgan 43, we had some heavy winds and were exhausted. Did not know how to heave to, but we did read Pardey's book on heavy wx sailing. We put sea anchor out for 36 hours, worked as advertised. Love the video!
Yeah, I know this is a old video, saw it when it first came out. But I still wonder why it was better to heave to, than to double, or triple reef the main and continue sailing?
Say there chief I have been watching your vids and i like it, you are talking about a preventer in this vid, can you tell me what a preventer does or is? where does it go what does it do ThankYou Steve
Hey Drake. I'm new to sailing this year and I'm interested in understanding the technique that was used for heaving to. It looks like the mainsheet was in and headsail in the centre. Was the wind off the port beam? Did the boat not stay in place with the headsheet let out? Was it done that way to purposely heel over?
Hi PassingGradeBooks, that chart plotter receives weather from satellites, just like satellite music radio. You need to pay for a monthly or yearly membership with the Sirius satellite company. I don't think they serve up weather for countries outside of US waters.
What is it beneficial to hove-to? my understanding is that it was only useful for "stopping" the boat, with out taking a sail down. Would it not be better to make make under minimal sail, maybe only reffed main, or only storm jib? It seems ot be a boat that can steered could be pointed in a direction of seastate that would minimize discomfort, even if it ment you are not really making way to your destination, though if you happen to be all the more benefit. also, once the boat is on a heal, would it not roll less? ultimately my question is , do you find it more comfortable hove-to, or minimal sail (under most conditions)?
Jim Revkin Hi Jim, We do carry a Jordan series drogue aboard Paragon. It's has 150 little parachutes on a very long line and when we've tested deploying it it feels like Paragon is tied up to a building. Hopefully we will never ever have to use it in a bad storm.
I felt really sorry for Mo. I hope she tries the seasickness patch or some other meds. 7 plus days being seasick can be sort of serious and just isn't something a person should have to suffer through.
Good evening... as a person who dreams of sailing, but never has, I can't help but wonder if I would fall victim to sea sickness. I have been on plenty of short, non sailing, recreational adventures but never on the Ocean. Though my EMS experience is extensive, I have to wonder how you deal with this issue at sea? Doc William
Doc William I can only tell you about my own experience.. If the weather gets really bad and I have to do stuff on deck or especially down below then I get seasick.. The nausea is instantly recognizable and process is always the same. I feel more and more nauseous and eventually throw up. Then on my next off watch I sleep soundly. And then I always seem to be fine no matter how bad the weather gets or how many more days or weeks we are at sea. For me there's always that first acclimation process to seasickness. I suspect that it would be similar for many others.. If it doesn't kill you at first then it makes you stronger.. :)
My experience, take the first day a motion sickness med, day 2 if it persist take every hour or so a sip of Dutch Jenever, Irish whiskey, just a good sip pure, makes the blood a bit thinner. After 2 days i,am fully shaked in and can even cook inside with a good wind.
I was in the Navy, I always got sick leaving port for about 10 hours and then got used to the movement after that. Lying down helps. I have not tried the one ear plug, medication, or patches.
Yes, it assuredly works; you have to take a heavy dose. Boil a 1/4 lb., of fresh thin sliced but not peeled ginger root, (not the spice powder). Boil with one liter of water with the lid securely on not to evaporate too much. Boil for a half hour and it will yield about a half-liter or more. It should be quite dark in color sort of a med dark tea color, if it is not dark add more ginger or boil longer to concentrate the dose. Mix with an extra amount of honey, (important) into a regular teacup, that's a dose, repeat as necessary. I love the taste it buy it is quite strong like peppermint or a bit like hot pepper. If it isn't strong tasting the dose is too weak. Check out my longtail boat channel. I built a catamaran sailboat too. I now build airboats but I love to sail… Bout time to splice the mainbrace, cheers!
I used to think so and then I found out that it's darn near impossible to sell a used sailboat, I mean if it's your one and only pride and joy most people can make it happen. I say a beautiful 90 footer in amazing condition for only 70k. it seems like a lot but if it's your only hobby middle class people can afford it.
I don't understand why sails are down. Why not push through instead of prolonging the duration. And she needs to eat light, sit up (to calibrate inner ear), with eyes fixed on the horizon.
seems like a waste of time to heave to in 30 knts unless your doing it for a specific reason, like to cook, or fix something, or to sleep and for a small squall its not necessary.. Maybe in a 30 foot boat but not 48, but then I wasn't there so... just my opinion.
+1, if it was a demonstration, that's fine but 30knts of wind is just something what you can expect on a passage. Even my 28 footer (and myself single handed) can handle it and seasickness disappears in a few days...
ririshow It certainly was the right decision. The point is not to overstress the boat and the crew. 30 knots is a lot of wind. The motion of the boat when heaving to is far more comfortable and manageable than when underway in 30 knots of wind.
Great videos! Poor Monique. She shouldn't have to go through that. If I were her, I would drink ginger tea for the sea sickness starting at least a day before getting aboard and throughout the trip. There are dried ginger pieces with powdered sugar, I would bring them along and eat as needed too. Also cooked foods and foods with preservatives such as the potato chips she's eating are hard on the stomach and not going to help. All the complex carbs are difficult to digest such as bread. Even the "whole grains" are tough. Dairy is out of the question. Avoid it like the plague. Raw fruit ie a banana or a pear or plain 100 percent fruit juice ie apple, cherry or pomegranite would be much better for her. If I were her I'd figure out which homeopathic remedy will work best and on the first trip,bring a complement of homeopathic remedies with me. Or, I might find a combination homeopathic remedy that has the three remedies that work best for people that suffer from motion sickness. They are: Cocculus Indicus, Tabacum and Petroleum. They are completely safe and I'd nix the prescription drugs which could be part of the problem. However, homeopathics are perfectly safe to take with drugs and will not conflict with them. Each homeopathic remedy has a different profile of traits or symptoms. You don't have to have all of them for the remedy to work but the most you have, the more likely it is the right one. The pills are tiny sugar pills that dissolve under the tongue and are taken away from food. If you notice a change either good or bad, right away, it is a sign it is the right remedy. If there is worsening, it will pass quickly. Generally with homeopathics, you won't need to take another dose until symptoms return which could be hours, days, weeks or months or maybe never depending on the potency of the remedy and how "right" the remedy was that you used. If you choose a "wrong" remedy, there will me no change in symptoms at all. It just won't work indicating you need a different one. Of the homeopathic remedies, the profile for Petroleum is: persistent nausea. You may feel a little better after warmth and or eating. There may be lots of salivation, stomach pain and pain or stiffness in the back of the head. You feel worse with light, noise or attempting to sit up. Another remedy, Tabacum can work if your symptoms are nausea, feeling faint, a greenish skin cast, pale, you feel icy cold, very tired and have a sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach. The vomit is yellow or yellow green and you may have a headache that feels like a tight band around your head. Cocculus Indicus is indicated by motion sickness that causes weakness and is worse when you are standing. You have a need to lie down. You are drained with stress and tension and may have difficulty concentrating. Kali Bichromicum is another one that could work but the first three are the most widely used. Last but not least, peppermint can help with upset stomach too. Strong herbs lessen the effectiveness of homeopathics as does coffee so at least, don't take them close to each other.
very nice job with the squall..heaving to was a good thing to do..what a pleasant documentary of sailinoffshore..can't wait for the next one...
Poor Mo. Sea sickness is terrible. Keep making the vids as I love watching them.
Beautiful voyage. Always love seeing the open ocean. Thanks for the sharing.
Always enjoy watching, thanks again. :)
thanks FrameJW! Despite not feeling well, I did not miss a single watch. In fact, once I was up in the cockpit I, for the most part, felt fine. I have certainly found that if my attention is occupied with other things the seasickness is not as much of an issue...perhaps I simply need to stay busy? At any rate, this was my first big offshore voyage...next time will be better and I can't wait! --- cheers, Mo
Thanks Nick! I appreciate the feedback. Maybe I could answer this question in an upcoming blog post. Happy sailing, and Happy New Year!
Poor Mo...I feel your pain! I get it bad myself, still love the water though - on it or under it. Hang in there guy!
The captain knows what he's doing.
Looks like lots of fun sailing to all different places, and probably a good way to save lots of money on air-fare. But there's always that possibility of encountering a severe storm at sea.
Thank you! Love your vids!
Thank you for sharing this video as it's difficult to find videos of rough seas. This was great. I hope you weren't scared bc from someone who's stuck on land I'd be pretty uncomfortable.
So nice.
Drake and Monique your videos are great. I feel for you Monique, I've been sea sick on a few occasions and had to stand watch with it. Drake is right though, it's largely a mental thing. Stay strong! You'll make it. Also, for me the first bout of sea sickness was the worst. The other times weren't nearly as bad. Try to keep a positive attitude.
Great video
thanks for the lesson...
hey barry. feeling sick was the pits, but there were so many other awesome aspects to the voyage that i feel it was all worthwhile. (okay, could totally do with less sick, but *shrug* what can you do?) we're glad you like the videos and look forward to releasing some cool footage in the coming weeks, including *gasp* my first interview.
really nice at 11:10 -- have fun out there!
Hi Drake, great videos! Keep the coming. BTW it would be nice if you comment about the differences of the boats you crew on and your Westsail. Thanks, Nick
"It's beautiful when you know it's one little pocket, and not a hundred mile wall." Hah hah. :)
most people who go out on the water do not protect themselves from the sun and this contributes to their sea sickness .... MO is showing considerable redness in the face one thing is it is important to get up and move around on your feet .... becoming one with the boat ( laying down against the boat absorbing every roll rock and bump ) prolongs sea sickness .... on your feet you can absorb and minimize the motion. .. one thing also is sailors in the past slept in hammocks for a reason they minimize the motion on the body allowing great sleep which is necessary to get over sea sickness .... fatigue will prolong it. ....
imagine if you were isolated from the boats motion by shock absorbers. .. looking at all the motion around you could still make y you sea sick ... looking at the horizon finding a fixed object helps
Well put and extremely helpful.
i have a hunter legend 37.5 and 30 knots is a normal day of sailing for me even though its a coastal cruiser
Fantastic video Drake and Mo. I think I would sail under A.J. Smith any day of the week. Seems like you could learn quite a bit from him. What is the next big voyage for Paragon, and will you be taking Mo?
Thanks for the concern MarkTarsis. There are some remedies I will try next time and *fingers crossed* hope they work. It seems that, unfortunately, there is no one option that works for everyone. One woman swore that the relief band (a device that looks like a watch, but emits an electrical shock) was a lifesaver for her. Others recommended ginger, pills, etc... I'm optimistic that I will find some solution. ---cheers, Monique
Dank je wel! :)
Fatty foods will make you seasick. It's best to stick to fruits (bananas, grapes, mangos, etc.) and low fat/ low sodium cooked veggies (rice, potatos, corn) when sailing. I would never eat an egg and sausage meal before or during sailing.
Bananas are great. They taste the same going down as coming back up.
Well, there you go! :)
A bit of a beginners question if anyone can assist. I've leant to heave to by tacking or gybing but it looks like you simply bore away a bit, then when the jib was slack pulled it through the other side, tightened it up and then came back into the wind locking the wheel once you hit that stop point? Have I got that right? If so that seems a much better way than I've learnt. I guess the only potential downside is that you keep moving forward whilst doing it which sometimes may be a problem. Also can this be tricky i.e. bearing away too much in higher winds? Thanks.... PS that captain certainly knows his stuff.
The technique of heave to was for old designs that had a lot of weight in the keel and much higher wind speeds. A modern keel boat would fall over with the mast in the water. There are heavy weather sailing books with different solutions. Heaving to has the risk or waves breaking over the boat and rolling the boat.
Hi Doug, What are some of your favourite heavy weather sailing books and different solutions for dealing with extreme heavy weather? Have you employed any of them in heavy weather conditions? What was your experience?
I had a 1985 Morgan 43, we had some heavy winds and were exhausted. Did not know how to heave to, but we did read Pardey's book on heavy wx sailing. We put sea anchor out for 36 hours, worked as advertised. Love the video!
P.S. Stugeron (Cinnarizine) works great for Mal de Mer.
Stugeron is a prescription drug in the US because of its psychotic effects.
I've hove too in a ior racing yacht 30footer and it was bliss.... perfect
Wow.
Yeah, I know this is a old video, saw it when it first came out. But I still wonder why it was better to heave to, than to double, or triple reef the main and continue sailing?
Say there chief I have been watching your vids and i like it, you are talking about a preventer in this vid, can you tell me what a preventer does or is? where does it go what does it do
ThankYou
Steve
Hey Drake. I'm new to sailing this year and I'm interested in understanding the technique that was used for heaving to. It looks like the mainsheet was in and headsail in the centre. Was the wind off the port beam? Did the boat not stay in place with the headsheet let out? Was it done that way to purposely heel over?
Hi PassingGradeBooks, that chart plotter receives weather from satellites, just like satellite music radio. You need to pay for a monthly or yearly membership with the Sirius satellite company. I don't think they serve up weather for countries outside of US waters.
What is it beneficial to hove-to? my understanding is that it was only useful for "stopping" the boat, with out taking a sail down. Would it not be better to make make under minimal sail, maybe only reffed main, or only storm jib? It seems ot be a boat that can steered could be pointed in a direction of seastate that would minimize discomfort, even if it ment you are not really making way to your destination, though if you happen to be all the more benefit. also, once the boat is on a heal, would it not roll less?
ultimately my question is , do you find it more comfortable hove-to, or minimal sail (under most conditions)?
they have reduced sail. if the wind picked up more, they could put out a parachute anchor.
Jim Revkin lol
Jim Revkin Hi Jim, We do carry a Jordan series drogue aboard Paragon. It's has 150 little parachutes on a very long line and when we've tested deploying it it feels like Paragon is tied up to a building. Hopefully we will never ever have to use it in a bad storm.
Gives you a chance to have a beer and a spliff
Sailing through it would have been taxing on the boat and crew. Easy enough to just park it in relative comfort and wait for the squall to pass.
Ginger - specifically ginger tea is a good remedy for seasickness.
Hi. Nice video and wonderful sailboat!
But why you hove to with 25 knots? I think that with reefed sails you could handle that squall... Am I wrong?
I felt really sorry for Mo. I hope she tries the seasickness patch or some other meds. 7 plus days being seasick can be sort of serious and just isn't something a person should have to suffer through.
Good evening... as a person who dreams of sailing, but never has, I can't help but wonder if I would fall victim to sea sickness. I have been on plenty of short, non sailing, recreational adventures but never on the Ocean. Though my EMS experience is extensive, I have to wonder how you deal with this issue at sea? Doc William
Doc William I can only tell you about my own experience.. If the weather gets really bad and I have to do stuff on deck or especially down below then I get seasick.. The nausea is instantly recognizable and process is always the same. I feel more and more nauseous and eventually throw up. Then on my next off watch I sleep soundly. And then I always seem to be fine no matter how bad the weather gets or how many more days or weeks we are at sea. For me there's always that first acclimation process to seasickness. I suspect that it would be similar for many others.. If it doesn't kill you at first then it makes you stronger.. :)
Stugeron. Not available in U.S. but works great. I take one tab every eight hours for a couple days.
My experience, take the first day a motion sickness med, day 2 if it persist take every hour or so a sip of Dutch Jenever, Irish whiskey, just a good sip pure, makes the blood a bit thinner.
After 2 days i,am fully shaked in and can even cook inside with a good wind.
I was in the Navy, I always got sick leaving port for about 10 hours and then got used to the movement after that. Lying down helps. I have not tried the one ear plug, medication, or patches.
fan-freakin'-tastic! ;)))
Strong ginger tea (just ginger) great for sea sickness...
Walkertongdee Have you gotten seasick while sailing offshore and then drank some strong ginger tea and then felt better?
Yes, it assuredly works; you have to take a heavy dose. Boil a 1/4 lb., of fresh thin sliced but not peeled ginger root, (not the spice powder). Boil with one liter of water with the lid securely on not to evaporate too much. Boil for a half hour and it will yield about a half-liter or more. It should be quite dark in color sort of a med dark tea color, if it is not dark add more ginger or boil longer to concentrate the dose. Mix with an extra amount of honey, (important) into a regular teacup, that's a dose, repeat as necessary. I love the taste it buy it is quite strong like peppermint or a bit like hot pepper. If it isn't strong tasting the dose is too weak. Check out my longtail boat channel. I built a catamaran sailboat too. I now build airboats but I love to sail…
Bout time to splice the mainbrace, cheers!
DrakeParagon's Real Cruising Life I have.
Walkertongdee Thanks Walkertongdee, sounds like a great tea! We'll try it. Cheers!
I used to think so and then I found out that it's darn near impossible to sell a used sailboat, I mean if it's your one and only pride and joy most people can make it happen. I say a beautiful 90 footer in amazing condition for only 70k. it seems like a lot but if it's your only hobby middle class people can afford it.
could you imagine if you had that gps and weather forecast back in like the late 1700s haha they would kill for it..or imagine not having it .
Yup.
yup?
Why would you hove to in a 30 knot squall ?
I don't understand why sails are down. Why not push through instead of prolonging the duration. And she needs to eat light, sit up (to calibrate inner ear), with eyes fixed on the horizon.
seems like a waste of time to heave to in 30 knts unless your doing it for a specific reason, like to cook, or fix something, or to sleep and for a small squall its not necessary.. Maybe in a 30 foot boat but not 48, but then I wasn't there so... just my opinion.
Bob Fomenko ...I agree...double reef and put the storm jib up. Take advantage of it.
+1, if it was a demonstration, that's fine but 30knts of wind is just something what you can expect on a passage. Even my 28 footer (and myself single handed) can handle it and seasickness disappears in a few days...
Easy as she goes..
Heaving to with a 30 knots wind??? What is the point? Certainly not a good decision for MO' seasickness being shaken like crazy with no control.
ririshow It certainly was the right decision. The point is not to overstress the boat and the crew. 30 knots is a lot of wind. The motion of the boat when heaving to is far more comfortable and manageable than when underway in 30 knots of wind.
Great videos! Poor Monique. She shouldn't have to go through that. If I were her, I would drink ginger tea for the sea sickness starting at least a day before getting aboard and throughout the trip. There are dried ginger pieces with powdered sugar, I would bring them along and eat as needed too. Also cooked foods and foods with preservatives such as the potato chips she's eating are hard on the stomach and not going to help. All the complex carbs are difficult to digest such as bread. Even the "whole grains" are tough. Dairy is out of the question. Avoid it like the plague. Raw fruit ie a banana or a pear or plain 100 percent fruit juice ie apple, cherry or pomegranite would be much better for her.
If I were her I'd figure out which homeopathic remedy will work best and on the first trip,bring a complement of homeopathic remedies with me. Or, I might find a combination homeopathic remedy that has the three remedies that work best for people that suffer from motion sickness. They are: Cocculus Indicus, Tabacum and Petroleum. They are completely safe and I'd nix the prescription drugs which could be part of the problem. However, homeopathics are perfectly safe to take with drugs and will not conflict with them.
Each homeopathic remedy has a different profile of traits or symptoms. You don't have to have all of them for the remedy to work but the most you have, the more likely it is the right one. The pills are tiny sugar pills that dissolve under the tongue and are taken away from food. If you notice a change either good or bad, right away, it is a sign it is the right remedy. If there is worsening, it will pass quickly. Generally with homeopathics, you won't need to take another dose until symptoms return which could be hours, days, weeks or months or maybe never depending on the potency of the remedy and how "right" the remedy was that you used. If you choose a "wrong" remedy, there will me no change in symptoms at all. It just won't work indicating you need a different one.
Of the homeopathic remedies, the profile for Petroleum is: persistent nausea. You may feel a little better after warmth and or eating. There may be lots of salivation, stomach pain and pain or stiffness in the back of the head. You feel worse with light, noise or attempting to sit up. Another remedy, Tabacum can work if your symptoms are nausea, feeling faint, a greenish skin cast, pale, you feel icy cold, very tired and have a sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach. The vomit is yellow or yellow green and you may have a headache that feels like a tight band around your head. Cocculus Indicus is indicated by motion sickness that causes weakness and is worse when you are standing. You have a need to lie down. You are drained with stress and tension and may have difficulty concentrating. Kali Bichromicum is another one that could work but the first three are the most widely used.
Last but not least, peppermint can help with upset stomach too.
Strong herbs lessen the effectiveness of homeopathics as does coffee so at least, don't take them close to each other.
To "heave to" is a verb - you might be hove to but you don't "hove to" (sic)
to heave to, to be hove to
Surely "to be hoven to", or even "to be hoven too!" :)
Surely "to be hoven to", or even "to be hoven too!" :)
to be "hoven" to? heh.. that's a new one. :)
so this is a 48 footer..?? damn somebody has money...!!!
Eating fatty chips is no way to settle seasickness.
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Heave to, not hove to.
to heave to, and to be hove to
DrakeParagon's Real Cruising Life To be hove to or not to heave to,that is the question .
Sam Sorensen lol.. :)
Heave to is the action, hove to is the result and present state.